Ground-based drones intend to change the nature of air defense

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Ground-based drones intend to change the nature of air defense
Sergei Shoigu at the presentation of an as-yet unnamed unmanned platform


From heaven to earth


A revolution in the skies seems to have taken place – FPV-drones and other brethren seriously and for a long time occupied the air. Two years of special operations were enough for this. Further progress of flying assassins and reconnaissance aircraft will be, rather, evolutionary. The only significant breakthrough expected is the widespread introduction of artificial intelligence. A revolution is expected in the fight against the “birds” - and whoever formalizes the technology faster will become the king of the hill in the literal sense of the word.



Ground-based robotic systems are developing in a completely different way.

By the way, calling wheeled and tracked platforms robotic is not entirely correct - the level of autonomy of such equipment is even lower than that of UAVs. For various reasons, the main one is the unavailability of the software and technological level. Making a flying car work autonomously is much easier than teaching a ground platform to do the same.


Evacuation of wounded soldiers is one of the key specialties of ground forces. drones

In recent months, ground transport and combat platforms have increasingly begun to appear in the area of ​​special military operations. This became a kind of response to the proliferation of FPV drones. In certain sectors of the front, it is mortally dangerous for an infantryman to appear in open space - the ubiquitous drones leave little chance of survival. Therefore, one of the key tasks on the battlefield - transport - is delegated to unmanned platforms. Theoretically, there is nothing critically difficult about creating ground-based drones.

In Russia, craftsmen have been working successfully for a long time in the framework of various competitions and competitions - “RoboFinist”, RTK Cup, Robofest and others. Of course, it’s impossible to directly compare combat platforms with civilian sports crafts, but the principles are very similar. So is the hardware. Specialized technical universities have even more competencies in the field of construction of ground-based drones - for example, MSTU named after. N. E. Bauman. If necessary, the assembly of remotely controlled carts can be organized on a truly massive scale.

In addition to responding to the FPV threat, ground-based remotely controlled vehicles correspond to the realities of positional confrontation in the Northern Military District. Both sides of the conflict are now building such a dense line of defense that sometimes even passing through their fortification lines is fraught with considerable danger. The main threat is represented by minefields shot through by the enemy.

Here you can’t do without a cart that can roll up an AGS and at least a PKM to the enemy’s trenches. Moreover, there should be not just one trolley, but several dozen - only then can we talk about the real combat effectiveness of ground-based drones. Like Tanks, they should go on the attack en masse, and not in single copies.

Robots vs robots


It’s worth mentioning right away that the material will only talk about domestic ground-based unmanned systems—enemy technology is a separate discussion. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a very diverse group of NATO vehicles, in addition to which there are local home-made vehicles in orderly rows.




An example of a homemade transport platform from the 87th Infantry Regiment.

In the Russian segment of the front, a typical example is the 87th separate rifle regiment, which participated in the liberation of Avdeevka. The soldiers themselves built a fully functional tracked platform for delivering water, ammunition and food to the front line of defense. The strength and power supply of the product turned out to be sufficient for the evacuation of a wounded soldier. In just one video fragment, our servicemen captured a couple of hits from an FPV drone in the immediate vicinity of the platform.

And nothing - the car continued moving, chalking up a couple of kamikaze neo-Nazis. The video dates from the end of last year. A reasonable question: is the Ministry of Defense interested in such successful experience of front-line technical creativity?

Most likely, they did not react in any way, and there are reasons for this. For example, the ground robotic complex BRG-1. In September last year, the developers commented on the appearance of the platform on the front as follows:

“At the moment, one ground-based robotic complex BRG-1 is used in the Northern Military District zone; the product was delivered two months ago. The complex is used both for evacuating the wounded and for delivering cargo.

The platform was created by one of the Russian scientific and production associations together with the People's Front charitable foundation. There are no analogues of the complex in the Northern Military District zone today.”

Performance characteristics of the machine: maximum speed – up to 15 km/h, operating range – up to 700 m from the operator (up to 5 km using a repeater drone), load capacity – up to 250 kg. According to developers from NPO Gran, the vehicle replaces a group of 4 people in an evacuation group.

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Heavy drone "Uran-9"

Heavy unmanned platforms Uran-9 play in another league. The equipment appeared even before the Northern Military District and in many respects does not meet the requirements of the front. The car is just hung weapons – 30-mm 2A72 cannon, ATGM “Attack” and a dozen rocket-propelled flamethrowers “Bumblebee”. Everything would be fine, but the weight of 12 tons and the high cost of the machine do not allow such equipment to be widely introduced.

Now the troops need a mass-produced vehicle, that is, inexpensive, both to manufacture and to operate. However, what kind of operating costs can we talk about if the service life of ground platforms is calculated in a matter of weeks? A couple of months at best.




Reconnaissance version of the ground drone from the "Ghost"

By the way, about attack wheeled and tracked drones.

Due to the acute shortage of such equipment in the troops, the craftsmen in the rembats are doing whatever they can. An unmanned ground vehicle (UGV), which is an analogue of FPV drones, was tested near Melitopol.

The developer with the call sign “Ghost” rightly points out the clear advantages of ground-based kamikazes: large payload capacity, the vehicle can be returned home if the combat mission changes, and there is no need for long and expensive operator training. Anyone who played with a remote-controlled car as a child will easily master the Ghost car.

Judging by open information, “Ghost” has an entire front-line robotics studio. To order, his team is ready to produce both miniature reconnaissance aircraft and quite large platforms intended for delivering the wounded to evacuation points.


Apparently, these kids made a good splash in the enemy camp

Not so long ago, the North Military District flashed in the information space news on the use of AGS grenade launchers on tracked carriers at the front. The good-looking cars fell into the lenses of enemy observers and immediately made a lot of noise.

Bandera’s followers, of course, hastened to announce the worthlessness of the product, and domestic commentators almost announced the advent of an era robots in a special operation. The machine is really interesting and seems to be made in the most optimal form factor.

Given the small size of the platform, the ability to fire direct fire is unlikely to be needed in combat, hence the AGS on board. The tactics of use are incredibly simple - with the support of a spotter drone, approach within effective shot range and quickly use out all the ammunition. If the hits on the enemy were successful, then there is no shame in dying by the death of brave robots.








There is hope that these seemingly unsightly machines will soon appear at the front. Sergei Shoigu approved.

Just the other day, Defense Minister Shoigu was shown an extremely interesting development - a universal platform that combines an ammunition and food transporter, an evacuation and attack vehicle with two anti-aircraft guns. The minister greeted the initiative positively and demanded that it be put into mass production as soon as possible. Shoigu's wishes also included the installation of a heavy machine gun to support assault operations.

The emergence of a wide variety of remotely controlled platforms is both exciting and depressing. It’s good because the fighters will have another tool to preserve life and health, both in attack and defense. Great diversity means, first of all, a low degree of unification of samples. UAVs are simpler in this sense - individual components are interchangeable to one degree or another.

And the cost of an FPV kamikaze is incomparably lower than a high-quality trolley for evacuating the wounded from the front line. In which case, a cheap drone can be neglected. This trick won't work with an expensive combat platform. It will not always be possible to find spare parts for the repair and maintenance of a motley crew.










The recent presentation of pre-production samples of unmanned wheeled and tracked vehicles to Minister Shoigu showed the vectors of development of the domestic military-industrial complex in this sector.

It is too early to talk about the coming revolution of ground-based drones at the front. But one thing needs to be understood - with the proper level of saturation of troops with unmanned products, the situation on the line of contact can seriously change in our favor.

The main thing now is not to waste time and not give the initiative into the hands of the enemy. As was already the case in stories with FPV.
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  1. +8
    April 22 2024 04: 21
    What does Shoigu have to do with it?
    Or is there some kind of election coming soon?
    1. +9
      April 22 2024 09: 27
      The lack of training and sabotage of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the greed of the owners of the military-industrial complex have already led to the dominance of enemy UAVs in many sectors of the front, which was the result of the enemy creating hundreds of individual UAV companies and providing them with everything necessary from communications and vehicles to the necessary UAVs.
      What prevented Shoigu from organizing hundreds of UAV companies here? There are thousands of our Niva vehicles produced annually, it is possible to purchase communications equipment, thermal imagers, UAVs and their components in China, there are experienced UAV operators and people capable of organizing UAV units. But we have only one UAV brigade per thousand kilometers of front!
      Their ground-based troops need thousands of inexpensive transporters like Filatov’s TETE electric trolleys, and not just a few more wunderwaffles for huge money at exhibitions for companies associated with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense.
      Today, due to the actions of enemy UAVs, all supplies to the limber from the removal of the wounded to the delivery of ammunition several kilometers before the LBS are carried out by hand; one wounded person is carried by four people, who are a good target for drone operators. And one person with a TETE trolley can take out a wounded person and deliver 150 kg of cargo on the way back! These carts performed well on the front end, but their production is limited by donations, and they would save thousands of lives of our guys.
      The organization of hundreds of separate companies and the organization of the production of electric carts would save thousands of lives of our soldiers, would significantly increase the combat capabilities of our units both offensively and defensively for relatively little money, but are still being sabotaged by the leadership of the Defense Ministry.
      1. +1
        April 22 2024 12: 27
        the dominance of enemy UAVs on many sectors of the front, which was the result of the enemy creating hundreds of individual UAV companies and providing them with everything they needed from communications and vehicles to the necessary UAVs.


        But there should be no illusions that this is being achieved through the efforts of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. All their UAV technical support comes ready from Europe.
        1. +1
          April 23 2024 06: 36
          Their management is more flexible.
      2. -1
        April 30 2024 00: 16
        The lack of training and sabotage of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the greed of the owners of the military-industrial complex have already led to the dominance of enemy UAVs in many sectors of the front, which was the result of the enemy creating hundreds of individual UAV companies and providing them with everything necessary from communications and vehicles to the necessary UAVs.
        On this resource, a couple of years ago, experts at all levels vilified the worth of UAVs and everything connected with them. As soon as an article appeared where at least something related to UAVs was mentioned, a wave of selective opinion immediately rose in the comments, starting with the mental abilities of the author of the article, ending with errors in his DNA code. Well, if the title of the article contained that same unmanned word, then the author would be in for a treat. What was forgotten? There is no point in blaming the mirror if the faces themselves are crooked and slanted.

        What prevented Shoigu from organizing hundreds of UAV companies here?
        How? More precisely - HOW??? Explain to me how the Minister of Defense will force microelectronics manufacturers to stop chewing snot and switch to more sophisticated technological standards? By order for which military unit? Even in the States, the military almost entirely uses civilian processors and whatever else is in the computers.

        there is an opportunity to purchase communication equipment and thermal imagers in China
        We have already experienced the consequences of such a policy when we purchased bodypacks from the French. Do French teplaks help a lot?
    2. +1
      April 22 2024 09: 57
      New elections begin immediately after the end of the previous ones. The sooner you start showing up, the better. wassat
    3. +3
      April 22 2024 16: 56
      What does Shoigu have to do with it?


      And he is with the Emperor. Few? laughing
      1. +2
        April 23 2024 13: 22
        I especially liked the lieutenant general’s face in the first photo in the article. Just such a polite, obsequious face, such shiny cheeks, just like the blue thief Alexander Yakovlevich from “12 Chairs”. laughing
        1. +2
          April 23 2024 17: 21
          There is such a thing. You noticed exactly. The spitting image of Alchen, laughing
        2. +1
          April 23 2024 18: 47
          I especially liked the face of the lieutenant general

          This is only one person, but if you see the meetings of generals and admirals assembled by the Shoigu in the control center, then there are many similar persons there. What a spectacle it is. But for some reason the impression remains depressing.
  2. +7
    April 22 2024 04: 25
    As I see it, gigantomania does not let go of some people.
    1. +1
      April 22 2024 07: 35
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      For some, gigantomania does not let go.

      There is an alternative!
      1. +2
        April 22 2024 16: 59
        Like in a children's horror story - "a coffin on wheels."

        Hello, Volodya!))
        1. +1
          April 25 2024 13: 17
          Hello, Kostya! Will that “hearse” that Shoigu was eyeing be better? what
          PS I’m lost at the dacha... there’s not always an Internet connection, it’s not always possible to answer! hi
          1. +1
            April 25 2024 18: 36
            I'm also in the villages. Boring... drinks
  3. +2
    April 22 2024 04: 51
    Yeah... what in ambushes such things would be useful.
    We let the enemy in, fired the ammunition... changed position again, wait and so on ad infinitum.
    Moreover, such robots must be used in combination with UAVs.
    If we continue this idea further, we can reach a situation where all the grunt work of organizing and conducting combat operations is entrusted to computer programs developed by people with combat experience and under their control.
    I think the future of war will develop in this direction so as not to lose people.
  4. +1
    April 22 2024 04: 52
    UAVs are today an important addition to controlled technology. And therefore, it seems to me that this direction needs to be developed. In all environments, air, land, sea.
  5. +2
    April 22 2024 05: 45
    I absolutely agree with the author that the future belongs to piloted and uncrewed vehicles. There is no place for a person on the battlefield now, because it is almost impossible to survive there. And whoever is the first to launch a massively cheap production of such machines will win. And in the future it will win.
    The most important thing is that it is Russia that has the experience left over from the union in producing mass cheap weapons
    1. +1
      April 22 2024 07: 23
      Everything was already invented before Shoigu!................................................. ........................................................ .............
      1. +3
        April 22 2024 09: 04
        Just the Death Star. Probably worth like a tank
  6. +2
    April 22 2024 06: 03
    [quote][/quote] They don’t come up with anything, they don’t offer anything to change everything at once, to the SVO...
    Some things will actually work and will “work” normally, most of them require further improvement and will be necessary later.
    In general... everything has its time and place!
    1. 0
      April 22 2024 13: 29
      Place the quote between brackets.
  7. +2
    April 22 2024 07: 01
    Recovery vehicles are highly questionable. Especially that boat, how can a wounded soldier get there and whether it will capsize on the first bump. And the car, as a target, is very noticeable. Shoigu rules.
    1. 0
      April 30 2024 00: 27
      Recovery vehicles are highly questionable. Especially that boat, how can a wounded soldier get there and whether it will capsize on the first bump. And the car, as a target, is very noticeable. Shoigu rules.
      He, like us, deals with what our smart people come up with from all kinds of impossible research institutes and design bureaus. It is not Shoigu who is behind the drawing boards, it is not Gerasimov who is engaged in strength calculations, and it is not Kanashenkov who decides what the final layout will look like. The fact that the design school of large enterprises of the Moscow Region remained in the last century is clearly visible. It is very difficult to say what to do with this. But there is simply nothing else that can be quickly put into series at an enterprise where final finishing is carried out with files and powerful hydraulic jacks (hello helicopter manufacturing)
  8. +1
    April 22 2024 07: 26
    I heard about Uranus from those sitting not far from them that the project failed, there is no software part, they freeze, lose connection and there are a lot of other shortcomings, and huge amounts of money have been spent. Maybe they'll do something more practical now
    1. 0
      April 23 2024 00: 55
      for the moment, the best bet for Russia would be automatic stations on vehicles; still too early for main guns, but more than possible for ifv guns or heavy machine guns. even more remote is a rotary cannon, but a station could turn a 70 years old heavy mg/light artillery into a technological miracle. on a frontline where everything can be hacked, the answer is to coordinate people (at all technological levels, from gunners to rcw operators) and autonomize machines, either as AI or as individualization, with minimum input from another node, more suggestions like readings and less automatic commands. or better aiming for old towed artillery, as humanly possible, since they are also dangerous without this - in the 1980s, americans connected theirs to a command panel looking like a zx 80, after receiving the coordinates. this can be done today within an afternoon spent at a flea market and another one calibrating the weapons; or attach them to a cheap unconnected mobile phone instead, acting as ballistic calculator.
      1. 0
        April 23 2024 07: 31
        What are you talking about, you infidel, here the Russian language is held in high esteem and not your Saxony! Moderator, how do they write here in the enemy language?
  9. +2
    April 22 2024 08: 03
    When I read articles like this, I want to ask: “How did you prepare for the 8 years of Minsky?” Here the Zaputinites are constantly yelling at us that they allowed us to kill Russians for 8 years because the army was not ready! But it turns out she’s not ready even now. We just started doing something.
  10. +1
    April 22 2024 08: 18
    Is someone here saying “Where was Shoigu before...”?
    Why are we late with autonomous combat vehicles on the battlefield?


    Why did I get downvoted?
    I talked about this six months ago: September 17, 2023 in topic
    https://topwar.ru/226037-svet-v-konce-tonnelja-otechestvennye-tankovye-dvigateli.html


    A promising direction is a tank controlled by artificial intelligence.
    1. -2
      April 22 2024 12: 33
      A promising direction is a tank controlled by artificial intelligence.

      Very expensive, and the life time is 5 minutes in an open space.
      1. +2
        April 22 2024 12: 58
        It's expensive to lose a crew. And the tank even after being hit by an ATGM
        it can often be restored if the ammunition did not explode.
        But in any case, tanks are needed. You can't do without them today.
        1. -1
          April 22 2024 14: 16
          It's expensive to lose a crew. And the tank even after being hit by an ATGM
          it can often be restored if the ammunition did not explode.
          But in any case, tanks are needed. You can't do without them today.


          Then this is no longer a classic tank. There will be no need for minimum internal space. The design will generally undergo significant changes. Presumably, as a result of natural selection, in practice, a very cheap kamikaze may be obtained that cannot be repaired, but is capable of breaking through the enemy’s defenses due to its mass production. But whatever one may say, it will turn out to be more expensive, more vulnerable and less effective than an aerial drone.
  11. +3
    April 22 2024 09: 02
    I remember that before the SVO there were a bunch of such combat drones being promoted. Different sizes and firepower.
    After the 24th....silence. only demining was shown on TV "Uranami" (but originally it was a combat drone)
    And here again ...
    Let's see if there's anything real...
    1. 0
      April 22 2024 13: 35
      In reality, at least shotguns were brought in unlimitedly against enemy drones, after all, there are civilian “boar, snipe, saiga and others”, ukry reads are purchased by Turkish ones, they will soon appear on the front end, but here “mo” just walks around and inspects who knows what.
  12. 0
    April 22 2024 10: 46
    Ground robots are also dying and will continue to die from UAVs. Until an interceptor UAV and/or a mass programmable projectile and/or a mass KAZ for BT appears.
  13. +5
    April 22 2024 11: 07
    Evich recently tested an evacuation platform, in my opinion it is almost ideal because it is squat and capacious.
    Regarding armed platforms, IMHO they should be made in smaller dimensions and as consumables. Products of a size approaching the Oka will already be pitted and they will be more difficult to camouflage; if detected, they will also most likely be successfully carried out by a UAV. So, IMHO - small structures the size of one and a half to two lawn mowers, with installed modular weapons - most likely also an extremely low-cost machine gun, RPG, ATGM - installed on the sample directly on site, for the task.
  14. +5
    April 22 2024 12: 48
    It was the third year of the war. The effect of cheap drones on cheap civilian components is obvious to everyone. It would seem that put on a low-profile welded frame 4-6 motor-wheels of a fatbike format, a pack of batteries and power controllers from Alika, add a commercial remote control system, perhaps modified naturally, directly from the FPV drone, and a massive and extremely cheap mule platform is ready, which could have satiated the troops yesterday. It would cost just as ridiculously little as the mass introduction of flying light drones, and the effect would be just as noticeable, even if not in combat work, but in its transport support. But no, we will continue to painfully cut through multi-ton huge sheds for years, and then not supply them to the troops, because they will be too expensive for an essentially disposable system, in the realities of the North Military District.
  15. 0
    April 22 2024 16: 18
    I really want to believe that these new products will really soon appear in the Northern Military District zone, and will not remain single copies at exhibitions and presentations! soldier hi
  16. -2
    April 22 2024 19: 51
    Okay, a flying drone - at least it can move quickly and far and is difficult to destroy - but why the hell is this creeping crap necessary? tongue
  17. +1
    April 22 2024 20: 49
    Any task at the front should be attempted to be transferred to drones. Therefore, we need many different drones. Dance not from fantasies, but from tasks. Look at what soldiers are doing in real life and free them from this work, rather than please your ego. However, something is better than nothing.
    But what is being offered directly to the front line is no good. Shoigu obviously watched Hollywood films, all the ideas came from there.
    First of all, scale matters. And therefore, tracked microconveyors are only good for self-leveling floors in exhibition halls. For drones up to three tons, wheels from MTZ are better. Rear. And an excavator manipulator with hydraulics, if the terrain is completely impassable or you need to push the device through a trench or ditch.
    Tracks should be considered starting with the size DT-54 and five tons of total weight.
    The presented toys on tracks speak only of the illusions and misconceptions of the amateur customer.
    .
    For the front line, there are two main requirements for drones. The drone must be so dangerous that the enemy wants to destroy it and is forced to destroy it. And second. The drone should cost less than it costs the enemy to destroy it.
    .
    The presented drones are too expensive to become widespread. And low-power. It is necessary not to play the fool with dwarf non-tanks, but to automate existing tanks, guns and MLRS for firing from closed positions.
    And there is no need to drive motorized monstrosities onto the battlefield. There you need the combat robots worn by the soldier, which he stuck out of the trench and left behind. And let them fight.
    However, a shelter with a motor can also be used. But only for the delivery of ammunition and light disposable launchers to the front line...
    And if you really need an autonomous drone on the battlefield, then, I repeat, take a real tank.
    .
    In general, the snobbery and self-confidence of the Moscow Region is off the charts. They miss so many opportunities only because of their limited horizons and self-confidence. And how much nonsense the designers are forced to do because of their incompetence.
    1. 0
      April 30 2024 00: 33
      Our industry is physically unable to produce anything mentioned in mass quantities. We “wasted all the polymers” (look for the original source of this meme, there are a lot of answers there).
      And don’t forget that in all these designing and inventing offices there are incredible snobs who know better than anyone else in the world what and how much a fighter needs on the battlefield.
  18. 0
    April 23 2024 18: 27
    ground transport and combat platforms. This became a kind of response to the proliferation of FPV drones.

    Some kind of crap...
    Do you know the cost of an FPV drone and ground platform?
    Just recently there was a video of how drones destroyed “land walkers”...
    Until there is an effective anti-FPV drone, this is all a waste of money...
  19. 0
    April 29 2024 23: 57
    Ground-based drones intend to change the nature of air defense
    Already changed. In some ways it’s radical.