Combat debutants: US Navy SM-3 interceptor against Iranian missiles

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Combat debutants: US Navy SM-3 interceptor against Iranian missiles

So, “True Promise” turned out to be very truthful: they promised to screw it up - they did it. Applause towards Iran, missiles and Drones whose defenses were broken through... no, not Israel. The further into the Western media, the more participants in this operation are revealed.

It turns out that even France is now a winner there, as usual. There are no exact data on the actions of the French, but it seems like they participated. But even without these specialists in taking advantage of other people’s successes, in fact, a whole anti-Iranian anti-missile coalition from Israel, the USA, Great Britain, Jordan, Iraq and Bahrain turned out. Dozens of radars and almost hundreds of anti-aircraft missile batteries, and to them dozens of aircraft and ships designed for air defense. Plus AWACS, satellites and reconnaissance aircraft.



Today the scale is impressive. It turns out that for every Shahed or missile there was something like an Iron Dome, Patriot or aircraft launcher. And it’s quite possible that there will be more!

Now, if anyone were to take bets on this matter, they certainly wouldn’t bet much on Iran, knowing what kind of power is concentrated against it. However, despite everything, the Westerners themselves admit that 90% were shot down. That is, “all the royal cavalry and all the royal army” could not defeat, well, honestly, not the most advanced missiles in the world. And there is something to think about.

In total, Iran has about a dozen models of medium- and long-range missiles capable of reaching Israel. Yes, the isolation imposed on Iran greatly affected the country’s armament, but the Iranians took and significantly improved everything that could be taken from Soviet developments of the last century. And this is such an indisputable fact that it is simply impossible to argue with.


Let me divert your attention: if I were the Japanese, I would now think about it very hard, because the Iranians basically copied North Korean missiles, so there is something to puzzle over in Tokyo.


Among those launched to the West from Iran were quite serious things from the high-precision squad: the hypersonic Fattah-1 and the ballistic Khaybar Shekan and Emad. All three took part in Operation True Promise and achieved their goal. How is the third question, and here I would like to say a few words on the topic.


"Fattah-1"


"Khaybar Shekan"


"Emad"

How the Iranians got there - we most likely will not find out soon. Remember in 2020, Iran also carried out the “Martyr of Soleimani” retaliation action? Then, as revenge for the death of General Soleimani, the IRGC fired its missiles at the Al-Assad base in Iraq, the base was, of course, the US Army.

For two weeks, all American media reported how crooked the Iranians’ missiles were, how they hit sand in the desert, those that were not shot down, and if any of the 11 declared missiles hit, it was “extremely inaccurate.”

As a result, two months later it suddenly became clear that 19 Iranian missiles, which broke through the American air defenses, destroyed several hangars and sent one F-16 and one UH-60 helicopter to scrap. Plus, more than a hundred American military personnel sought medical help with traumatic brain injuries.


Of course, the Americans were silent about the dead in four languages. There were no deaths, but if you scour the press well, at that time there was a surge in the deaths of US military personnel at bases from various domestic causes.

The same will happen now. Complete silence and non-recognition. And then something will come up. But at the very least, it would be strange if at each target designated by the Iranian military for destruction, there was an operator with a camera and recorded the fact of the hit. Stupid and funny, really.

And the Israelis generally have complete order with censorship, so if something leaks out, it will be information drop by drop. But Jerusalem will never directly admit that their over-praised “Iron Dome” failed, and those missiles, which the Iranian military initially did not intend to serve as an air defense overload, passed through the Israeli defense and worked where they were intended.

For example, there is evidence that just four Fattahs exploded on the runway of the Nevatim airbase, the same one from which the F-35s that attacked the embassy took off. Yes, the Persians are fine with demonstrating their thoughts, completely normal.

What's on the other side?


There were also prime ministers on the other side. The confrontation operation definitely involved two Arleigh Burke-class destroyers that were patrolling somewhere in the eastern Mediterranean. Apparently from the cover group of the aircraft carrier Eisenhower, from whose deck the F-35s operated. The Carney emitters and the old Arleigh Burke himself shot down 4 missiles between them (3 and 1, respectively).


There is information from the well-respected and unnoticed portal The War Zone that while repelling the attack, the destroyers used the latest Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) interceptor missiles and this was the first use of missiles in combat mode. The application was successful, there is no doubt about that either. The only question is what the destroyers were firing at, because after the practical question a financial question arises.

It’s one thing if the SM-3, which costs from 10 million dollars apiece, was successfully launched at a modern ballistic or cruise missile and hit the target, and a completely different thing if the SM-3 was launched by some kind of decoy like something not so new (“Sajil” or “Kadir” would be quite suitable), then this, of course, is a complete sadness.


In general, of course, there is nothing wrong with the fact that the Middle Eastern test site is becoming an arena for testing new types of weapons. No worse than the Ukrainian one, and in some ways even better. There is no such danger that the equipment will fall into the hands of the enemy. And such tests are worth their weight in gold.

Currently, the main interceptor missiles used in the Aegis missile defense system are the SM-3 and SM-6 variants. The SM-6 is capable of hitting ballistic missiles, as well as apparently new hypersonic missiles at the end of their flight, although this ability is still in doubt. This missile is also multi-purpose weapons, which can be used against a number of other air targets, as well as targets located on the surface of the ocean and land.


The SM-6 reportedly made its operational debut relatively recently in operations in and around the Red Sea to protect commercial shipping as well as friendly warships from ballistic, cruise missiles and drones launched by Iran-backed Houthi militants in Yemen.

The SM-3 series interceptor missiles are capable of hitting ballistic missiles, including intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), beyond the Earth's atmosphere during their mid-flight phase. The SM-3 has demonstrated its capabilities against various levels of ballistic missiles in tests, and one missile was used to destroy a rogue US spy satellite in 2008.

The SM-3 is not known to have been used against actual combat targets before, but many tests have been conducted over the decades. The first combat use of the SM-3 was an important milestone for the SM-3 program, which has passed all the milestones of a long and very complex, and at times controversial, path of its development.

There are other signs of SM-3 use. Several videos have emerged showing transatmospheric intercepts over Israel, with visible plumes that could be from warheads separating from the rest of the interceptor missile, or from actual impact with the target missile.

But it's worth remembering that Israel's own Arrow 3 interceptor missiles are also capable of hitting targets beyond the Earth's atmosphere. Arrow 3 kinetic interceptors, as well as the previous generation Arrow 2, were clearly among the air defense systems that the IDF used last night. Israel has a very extensive, multi-layered integrated air and missile defense network with other systems that have varying degrees of terminal missile defense capability. These include David's Sling with Stunner interceptors and American-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems.

It is possible that both SM-3 and Arrow 3 were engaged during that night. It was logical; there can never be too many countermeasures.

Be that as it may, Iranian strikes are exactly the scenario that the Aegis missile defense system was developed to counter. Against medium-range ballistic missile attacks, in particular from Iran or other states. The US military has other air and missile defense assets, including AN/TPY-2 radar stations in Israel, Turkey, and Poland, specifically designed to monitor and, if necessary, help intercept incoming threats from Iran.

Israeli Iron Dome defense systems and warplanes were actively involved in intercepting incoming cruise missiles and drones. A video released by the IDF shows Sumar cruise missiles being shot down and drones-kamikaze "Shahed-136" or their modifications/derivatives.


US Navy Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, US combat aircraft and ground-based air defense systems (which may include Patriot and Terminal air defense systems) in the region have also shot down non-ballistic Iranian targets heading towards Israel. According to the US military, which was replicated by many media outlets, the US Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle was especially active. The planes are said to have shot down dozens of drones and cruise missiles while acting as an anti-aircraft barrier between Iran and Israel as Iranian weapons crossed borders into Syrian and Jordanian airspace.

White House Press Release:
“This morning, President Biden spoke with members of the 494th and 335th Fighter Squadrons to commend them for their exceptional airmanship and skill in defending Israel from an unprecedented Iranian air attack.”

The 494th Fighter Squadron, based at Lakenheath in the United Kingdom, and the 335th Fighter Squadron, based at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina, are the units equipped with the F-15E.


They are modestly silent about the fierce successes of the F-35 and F/A-18.

US Navy, British and Jordanian fighter jets also helped destroy missiles and drones launched by Iran. French troops also supported defensive operations, but it is currently unclear whether they have any combat credits to their credit.

So, who got what?


The States and Israel urgently need to put a good face on a very bad game. Overall, in addition to the potential first combat use of the SM-3, Iran's actions have provided the coalition of countries defending Israel with significant real-world experience defending against large-scale missile and drone strikes, as well as major intelligence on the actual capabilities possessed by the regime in Tehran. All of this underscores the value of the U.S. military's decades-long effort to better integrate air and missile defense capabilities in the region.


However, it became clear that, despite all the efforts and integration of one into the other, the system built by the United States and Israel, to put it mildly, is not ideal. The Dome has holes, and the Patriots are not as patriotic in the Middle East as their creators and buyers would like.

The biggest question now is not how Israel will respond to Iran's actions. The Israel Defense Forces said it had already carried out strikes on targets in Lebanon in response to missiles that Iran-backed Hezbollah militants also launched last night. The question is how Iran will behave next and how much Israel will have enough (I would bet that it won’t) in terms of ammunition reserves to repel a more serious attack. Let's say, from 500 vehicles and missiles.

Moreover, for its part, Iran promised to respond in kind to any direct attacks from Israel, and also promised to strike at any country that would assist in such an operation. As everyone has already seen, Iran does not throw words in the sand. And if Israel stops its vicious practice, which allows it to strike wherever it pleases, then the population of this country will not have to worry.

Of course, Israel is not a poor country, their money is in order, and they always have help from the United States behind them, but... But 12 million for an SM-3 missile is 12 million. Dollars "Patriot" costs 3-4 million dollars apiece. Tamir missile from Iron Dome - $0,15 million.

No matter how luxurious the SM-3 interceptor missile is, its cost is simply prohibitive. Instead of one such missile, you can purchase 80 missiles for the Iron Dome. This is an interesting arrangement. And if the SM-3 hits 10 out of 10, it still is not a defensive option, especially for Israel.

Products are flying from Iran that will not be destroyed - they will simply be ruined. An interceptor capable of working against hypersonic gliders is luxurious. It's useful, it's safe. But if “Shaheds” and ballistics fly en masse, the mass use of SM-3 will be simply ruinous.

By the way, this is why American destroyers have had such modest success. Yes, 4 missiles were shot down. You don’t need more, more is very expensive. In practice, we were convinced that the SM-3 works well, and that’s all. Enough. Helped an ally and tested our weapons in battle. Thanks to everybody, you're free.

It is impossible to say that the SM-3 acted against Iran’s latest developments. But calling what flew to Israel junk is also unfair; these are developments of the last 10-12 years. Let's not take Shahed-136; it was actually used to distract attention.

The Iranian army launched Paveh and Emad, the IRGC issued Fattah-1. All this can be called relatively new developments, and if they caused problems for the allied air defense system, then what will happen if we use trump cards with a crowd of old missiles and drones, that is, something that the Iranians do not advertise at all today?

And the world's intelligence services have a strong belief that Iran has something to keep in its secret caches on this topic. Something from the area of ​​the same “Fattah-1”, which is not the army, but the IRGC, which is a state within a state.

Yes, by the way, the debut of the missile from the Guardian Corps turned out to be heartfelt: the IRNA agency reported that the IRGC launched 7 missiles and all seven reached their targets. Representatives of the Corps generally reported in detail, praising their rocket: it flies 1400 km, and the speed is up to 15 Mach. On the other hand, they have long been saying that 15M is a fairy tale, that Iran’s missiles cannot fly at such a speed, but... there is not much difference in whether 15M, 10M or 8M is the true speed for Fattah-1. Even 10M is an “impossible” speed for NATO complexes, and what is there to play with numbers if Iran today has a hypersonic missile that the United States does not have?


The first-born of Tehran's Fattah-1 hypersonic program. It’s no longer “cartoons”, but the harsh reality in the Middle East. Personnel

As a result, it turns out that Iran and the United States conducted excellent tests for each side. Iran showed the whole world that its missiles are a force to be reckoned with; moreover, it was a magnificent demonstration carried out by the Iranian military itself, and not with the help of a third party. The enchanting arrival of four missiles at the Nevatim base, which was caught on video, became one of the proofs that the Iranian missiles hit where they were intended. And, of course, there are not nine of them, as the official structures of Israel and NATO admitted, there are more of them.

Accuracy... The accuracy will be known later, I’m sure information will leak out, but if you compare the hits of absolutely “crooked” Iranian missiles on Israeli and American bases and how Israel’s ultra-precise “smart” bombs hit Gaza, I think everything will fall into place.

The United States can be congratulated on its new interceptors. But for the kind of money that manufacturers are asking for these missiles, they honestly couldn’t do better.

Israel... Today some people there are starting to coo about “we will not forget, we will not forgive, we will take revenge on everyone in kind,” but this talk about “an adequate response to Iran” - honestly, first it would be worth shaking up your (and not only your) system Air defense, and then start thinking. 300 missiles and motorized UAVs showed that Israel cannot fight back on its own. And with the help of such a kagal, everything also looks dubious to the point of hiccups.

What if Iran sends a set of 400 units? Out of 500? What will happen in place of Jerusalem? Gaza?


The tests have passed. The results have been demonstrated and information has been received. Now all parties need to think, and think first of all, with their heads.
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  1. +5
    April 21 2024 05: 25
    “True Promise” turned out to be very true: they promised to hit me - they did it

    What targets were hit? Otherwise, there is no way to find reliable information on this matter....
    1. +3
      April 21 2024 08: 49
      Roman Skomorokhov, with one stroke of his pen, hit all the goals set in Israel) What else is needed? After all, gentlemen are usually taken at their word.
      But in fact, a situation arose where both sides were able to save face - some broke in, while the others fought off almost everything.
    2. 0
      April 21 2024 08: 49
      From the essential -
      , there is evidence that just four Fattahs exploded on the runway of the Nevatim airbase,
      The runway was damaged, nothing about the equipment.
      The rest is trivial.
      1. 0
        April 22 2024 03: 31
        The rest is trivial.
        As the Israelis themselves write, Iran’s attack cost Israel a tidy sum of $1.3 billion, and that’s only for the Israelis, not counting other “defenders.”
  2. -3
    April 21 2024 05: 31
    “It turns out that even France is now a winner there, as usual” -

    — They also clung to the victors of Hitler’s Germany (Not without our help) ...
    1. KCA
      +2
      April 21 2024 07: 42
      Well, it’s a well-known fact, Keitel was shocked - So what, they defeated us too? To the French
      1. +2
        April 21 2024 08: 41
        Quote: KCA
        Well, it’s a well-known fact, Keitel was shocked - So what, they defeated us too? To the French

        Well, they fought in Africa and landed in Normandy. There was even a Polish tank division there. Not like the French ones.
      2. -3
        April 21 2024 09: 41
        About Keitel is a fiction. If Zhukov would have started talking to the hanged German in five minutes, he didn’t even come close to him.
        Not to mention that at the end of the war, Fighting France numbered 1 personnel. They fought in both Africa and Europe.
        1. KCA
          +2
          April 21 2024 10: 57
          And more than 300 who fought in the ranks of the SS, who did the heroic grunt count in Africa? A few dark-skinned Parisians or residents of Algeria and other colonies? Umneg, they were asked who, what and for whom are they fighting?
          1. +2
            April 21 2024 11: 06
            De Gaulle's "Free French Forces" (the armed forces of the "Free France", after 1942 - "Fighting France") did not fight in any SS, they fought with the Germans and their allies on different fronts since 1940. Including in the USSR in the form of the Normandie-Niemen aviation regiment.
            In March 1942, the French national liberation committee “Fighting France” approached the authorities of the Soviet Union with a proposal to send a group of pilots and aircraft mechanics to the USSR to participate in hostilities against Germany. On November 12, 1942, the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR approved Resolution No. 1806-850ss “On the agreement between the command of the Red Army Air Force and the Military Command of fighting France on the participation of French Air Force units in operations in the Soviet Union”[2].
            1. KCA
              +4
              April 21 2024 11: 41
              Holy shit, 14 pilots defended the honor of France, well, they just turned the entire course of World War II upside down, drove Germany under the bunk, and just like the USSR they helped, on our fighters
              1. +2
                April 21 2024 11: 48
                About a hundred French personnel passed through the Normandy-Niemen regiment, 40 of them died.
                During the fighting on the Soviet-German front of World War II, the regiment's pilots flew 5240 combat missions, conducted about 900 air battles, won 273 confirmed victories[4], 36 unconfirmed ones, and damaged more than 80 German aircraft[5]. Losses during combat operations amounted to 42 pilots. In total, during the conduct of hostilities, 96 combat personnel passed through the squadron[4].

                You read inattentively
                at the end of the war, Fighting France numbered 1 350 000 personnel. They fought in both Africa and Europe.
                1. KCA
                  +5
                  April 21 2024 12: 04
                  About 3 Yak-5000s, which flew the Normandie-Niemen, were produced, who flew them? A dozen Frenchmen? And, you’re just funny, what millions of Frenchmen fought? In Africa, the losses of all the French and colonial slaves do not reach 7 people; what did 000 million do? Did you prepare croissants and cheese?
                  1. -3
                    April 21 2024 12: 13
                    In real history, de Gaulle's army fought in both Africa and Europe - in Europe in Corsica, Italy, France itself, Germany and Austria.
                    On September 29, 1941, the USSR officially recognized the "Free France" [4] and established diplomatic relations with it through the USSR embassy under the Allied governments in London.

                    Of course, you can have your own alternative history, who’s stopping you? And in your reality, the Normandy-Niemen regiment has shrunk to a dozen Frenchmen, and it seems that this is the first time you’ve heard about de Gaulle’s Fighting France.
                    I will not bother you.
                    hi
                    1. +4
                      April 21 2024 12: 44
                      At the end of the war, 23 thousand French were in Soviet captivity (it is unknown how many French fascists died in Soviet camps). And it is unlikely that fewer of them were killed on the eastern front.
                      1. +4
                        April 21 2024 13: 24
                        There are traitors and trash in every nation. Unfortunately, there were such people among the citizens of the USSR - those who fought in Vlasov’s ROA or former punitive policemen, on whose hands the blood of civilians, citizens of the USSR like themselves, was on their hands. The existence of such renegades does not change the fact that France fought against Hitler and on the side of the Allies, lost, but some forces continued to resist. By the way, the name Resistance itself is about the French. It is inappropriate to laugh at the French; they (for the most part) fought shoulder to shoulder with our grandfathers and great-grandfathers. There were some unpleasant moments in the role of the French in WWII - Operation Catapult, 1940, when they fought against the British. But not against the USSR, but it was the British who attacked.

                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Операция_«Катапульта»#Итоги_операции
                      2. 0
                        April 22 2024 07: 31
                        There were some unpleasant moments in the role of the French in WWII - Operation Catapult, 1940, when they fought against the British.

                        It would be more correct to say that it was the British who attacked the French. At the first stage, there were casualties among the French. But, as the subsequent course of the operation showed, it was possible to do without military action. The French themselves disarmed the ships, since the British feared their capture by the Germans (even though the French convinced them that this would not happen). Most of the teams then fought the Germans under de Gaulle in Fighting France.
                        France fought against Hitler and on the side of the Allies, lost

                        France fought against the Germans not independently, but as part of an alliance that defeated the Germans. Yes, at some point there was an internal split in power, but the allies, including the USSR, recognized de Gaulle.
                        A similar situation occurred during the First World War - Russia fought as part of the victorious Entente, therefore in the Versailles Agreement it was included among the victors with the right to receive compensation from Germany (which it received later), despite the signed Brest-Litovsk Agreement.
                2. +1
                  April 22 2024 21: 16
                  Quote from solar
                  You read inattentively
                  at the end of the war, Fighting France numbered 1 personnel. They fought in Africa and Europe.

                  Actually, I happened to read de Gaulle’s memoirs and he indicated that a group of 150 people landed in the ranks of “Fighting France” in France itself along with the allies. Armed mainly by the Allies. And they were given the honor by the Americans to advance in the front ranks. I repeat - the above number was indicated by de Gaulle himself.
                  1. -1
                    April 22 2024 23: 48
                    a group of 150 people landed together with the allies

                    This is far from the only place where the French fought.
                    1. 0
                      April 23 2024 05: 00
                      And where else did the French from “Fighting France” fight?
                      And why did de Gaulle know nothing about them?
                      Are you one of them?
                      Or did the remaining 1 people fight not in “Fighting France”, but on the Eastern Front against the USSR? There the figure is about 200 snouts, and not at one time, but throughout the war.
                      And yes, the Reichstag in Berlin was defended by the SS men of the French SS division.
                      1. -1
                        April 23 2024 10: 13
                        De Gaulle knew about them, and in a particular place he wrote only about a specific operation, and not about all the actions of the French forces. De Gaulle, by the way, was not the only leader of the French military forces.
                        French forces in Europe, in addition to the landing in Normandy, although not in the first group, Leclerc’s fighters were the first to enter Paris, operated in Italy, Operation Vesuvius was Corsica, Operation Dragoon was the landing in Southern France together with the Americans, were in Austria, fought and on the territory of Germany itself.
                        General Mark Clark, commander of the 5th Army, the first of the Allies to begin hostilities in Europe, wrote to Marshal Juin, commander of the French corps in Italy.
                        It has given me great pleasure to see how the vital role played by French troops under the 5th Army during our Italian campaign against a common enemy has become recognized throughout the world. During these long months I have had the real privilege of seeing evidence of the outstanding qualities of the French soldiers, heirs of the noblest traditions of the French Army. ... My deepest gratitude for the enormous contribution you made to our common victories, my dear general.
                      2. +1
                        April 23 2024 15: 25
                        And do you seriously think that there were 1 French people in the Allied forces??
                        Are you seriously ?
                        And the fact that de Gaulle’s army fought and fought well is known, as are the reviews of them by the American command and their total strength. And de Gaulle named precisely their total number. Do you think the commander knew the size of his army?
                        I understand that if you named a figure two or three times higher, it’s like after fishing - your hands move apart on their own. But an order of magnitude more... this is already too much.

                        Minus is not mine.
            2. +3
              April 21 2024 11: 43
              Quote from solar
              fought with the Germans and their allies on various fronts since 1940.

              Yeah, it was with the Germans and their allies that they fought against the USSR...
              Legion of French Volunteers" (LFD). Its history began in the summer of 1941 in the wake of the successes of the Wehrmacht in the war with the USSR. In recruitment propaganda, the LFD was presented as "defenders of Europe", "new crusaders" and even "heirs of Napoleon's great army." These Frenchmen acted under slogans of “the fight against Bolshevism.” In the organizational structure of the Wehrmacht, the collaborators formed the 638th Infantry Regiment, numbering about 2 thousand people. Upon arrival at the front, it was subordinated to the German 7th Infantry Division (PD) of the 4th Army of Army Group Center. .
              1. KCA
                +2
                April 21 2024 12: 09
                Oh, I remembered the greatest feat of the Resistance - they cut the cables so that Hitler could not climb the Eiffel Tower in the elevator, damn heroes, then, of course, you don’t know that military operations in France were carried out by Russian soldiers and officers who escaped from concentration camps?
              2. 0
                April 21 2024 12: 17
                numbering about 2 thousand people

                There were 1350 men in de Gaulle's army.
                As for the fact that some of the French fought on the side of the Germans, you’ve probably never heard of Vlasov’s army? But because of this, it never occurred to anyone, like you, to write that the Russians fought for the Germans.
                hi
                1. +2
                  April 21 2024 12: 32
                  Quote from solar
                  But because of this, it never occurred to anyone, like you, to write that the Russians fought for the Germans.

                  And this is another story, because we are talking specifically about the French and in this context I did not mention the Japanese, nor the Finns, nor others like them.
        2. +1
          April 21 2024 16: 32
          About Keitel is a fiction.
          then Keitel’s signature on the act of surrender is also a fiction.
          1. 0
            April 22 2024 07: 35
            Do you see Zhukov in the photo?
            Keitel was ordered to go to the Allied table and sign the surrender (the German delegation was sitting at a separate table). He did not approach Zhukov, did not give him anything and did not talk to him.
  3. +6
    April 21 2024 05: 32
    “Leakless” air defense does not exist. You don’t need to go anywhere for an example.
  4. -6
    April 21 2024 06: 23
    No matter what anyone says, this round of the struggle remained with Iran, just like the previous one with Israel. So it's 1:1
  5. +4
    April 21 2024 09: 07
    I have respect for authors who really understand what they are writing about and do not make unfounded, unsubstantiated statements based on their own fantasies and desires. There are such authors on Military Review, but unfortunately there are very few of them.
  6. 0
    April 21 2024 09: 27
    It turns out that the game of hacking enemy air defense can be played by two people. Our new friends in the Middle East kept us informed of events. And I think why “Varyag” went to the Middle East, and maybe not only him. We learned a lot of interesting things.
  7. +5
    April 21 2024 09: 52
    Quote: Aerodrome
    “Leakless” air defense does not exist. You don’t need to go anywhere for an example.

    Like any other equipment, for example, T-90 tanks can be knocked out. Do we have something in the army that could move forward? The answer is no
    Since this is the kind of air defense we have had planes standing on the takeoff for years, uncovered by nothing.
    Financing has been in the USA for many years and in Russia in recent years. Where air defense was almost unfunded
    Who closed air defense schools around the country because they were no longer needed? There are two left
    The list of (unofficial) liquidated military schools of air defense in the Russian Federation:

    1. Krasnoyarsk Higher Command School of Radio Electronics of Air Defense (1998);
    2. Leningrad Higher Military-Political School of Air Defense named after Yu. V. Andropov (1992);
    3. Nizhny Novgorod Higher Anti-Aircraft Missile Command School (1999);
    4. Ordzhonikidze anti-aircraft missile school named after Army General Pliev (1990);
    5. Orenburg Higher Military Anti-aircraft Missile School (2011);
    6. Pushkin Higher Order of the Red Star School of Radio Electronics
    Air defense named after Marshal Aviation E. Ya. Savitsky (2006);
    7. St. Petersburg Higher Anti-Aircraft Missile Command Order of the Red Star School (1998);
    8. St. Petersburg Higher School of Radio Electronics of Air Defense (2011);
    9. Engels Higher Antiaircraft Missile Command School Air Defense (1994g.)
    10. PERM HIGH MILITARY TEAM-ENGINEERING SCHOOL OF MISSILE TROOPS NAMED AFTER MARSHAL V.I. CHUYKOV

    It’s not just us who need to complain about the leaky air defense, but the ones at the top. If you are a general or colonel.
    1. +1
      April 21 2024 09: 58
      After Serdyukov’s arrival, they cut it in half again. I read how many air defense divisions there were before and how many remained after. Of course, they supplied some new things, but not everywhere; nothing was supplied to the north, where all our nuclear weapons are located.
      Any air defense system can be overloaded, including ours. We only have 4 shots on the car. Our air defense systems must also be equipped with shells and tori for shooting down small targets such as drones. It is necessary to distribute air defense and not put everything in one place, it arrived because nothing was covered anywhere else there.
      You would be better off looking at where the air defense units are located; in many places they are not there at all.
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    1. 0
      April 22 2024 00: 40
      Quote: milenkindo
      “The enchanting arrival of four missiles at the Nevatim base, which was caught on video, became one of the proofs that the Iranian missiles hit where they were intended.” Has anyone seen this video besides the author?)

      Are you from Israel or something? Footage of the arrival was shown on Russian TV. RBC didn't show it. And there was no opposition to these arrivals. No one fired at the incoming missiles. But the attack was not sudden, everyone knew about it.
      1. 0
        April 22 2024 06: 52
        Let's get specific: link to the video you have in mind - and then discuss what it is, where it is, etc.
  9. +4
    April 21 2024 10: 01
    But for the kind of money that manufacturers are asking for these missiles, they couldn’t do better
    . So they take the money from the nightstand, and the whole world puts it there. This scheme needs to be destroyed...
  10. 0
    April 21 2024 10: 05
    Conclusions from the latest wars are not only for our country; the army and weapons must be developed in any situation. Nato expects war every day
  11. +3
    April 21 2024 10: 22
    Khe khe.
    The Arrow 3 kinetic interceptors, as well as the previous generation Arrow 2, were clearly among the air defense systems that the IDF used last at night

    Either the text was made from several pieces of copy-paste, or it was drawn out in one piece. I wonder where.

    The author, I see, is pushing his line. Perhaps we are seeing the birth of a new thematic cycle “The Cunning Plan of the Persians” like the famous “CIA against the USSR” by Samsonov, “Little, late, useless” by Ryabov or “Russia is here forever” by Staver.

    The Persian performance showed nothing new:
    1. With such results, Iran cannot carry out either a counterforce or a decapitation strike. Neither Israel's military nor political machine was damaged in any way. The “affected” base sent and received aircraft without interruption.
    2. Any missile defense system, even the world’s strongest missile defense system of Israel and its allies, is overcome by oversaturation. Consequently, a counter-value strike - against the population using weapons of mass destruction - is fundamentally impossible to prevent.
    3. Wars are not won by defense.
    4. You can’t cook porridge with Joe.
    5. The Abraham Accords work, Trump was right.

    OK, fixed. Let's move on while we have the opportunity.
    1. +3
      April 21 2024 12: 29
      Quote: Negro
      1. With such results, Iran cannot carry out either a counterforce or a decapitation strike.
      The Persians do not report the date of the strike; the ships and planes covering Israel remain out of action. The Persians strike at the airfields from which covering aircraft were taking off. Those who can take off are defending themselves, not Israel. Hypersonic missiles carry out air defense radars. It becomes possible to carry out both a counterforce and a decapitating strike (although a decapitation strike is stupid, if its possibility has been worked out, then it will not affect anything serious).
      1. -2
        April 21 2024 12: 52
        The Persians do not report the date of the strike; the ships and planes covering Israel remain out of action.

        Doesn't matter. Rattling birds that fly all night are not dangerous for the military and politicians. Only ballistics can arrive quickly.
        The Persians strike at the airfields from which covering aircraft took off

        Judging by the results of the attack, the Persians are currently unable to disable the runway.
        Those who can take off are engaged in protecting themselves.

        From what? Surface-to-surface missiles do not threaten aircraft in the air.
        Hypersonic missiles carry out air defense radars.

        Hypersonic missiles are a character in Russian folk tales from the Zvezda channel. It is extremely difficult to hit a point object the size of a trailer in a properly prepared position. If, in addition, a mobile radar with missile defense capabilities - AWACS or Burke - is hanging around nearby, then it is completely impossible to turn it off.
        It becomes possible to carry out both counterforce and decapitation strikes

        So far, only one country in the world seems to have such an opportunity. And this, fortunately, is not Iran
        1. +2
          April 21 2024 12: 59
          Quote: Negro
          Only ballistics can arrive quickly.
          That's what we're talking about.
          Quote: Negro
          From what? Surface-to-surface missiles do not threaten aircraft in the air.
          From new attacks on the home country.
          Quote: Negro
          Hypersonic missiles are a character in Russian folk tales from the Zvezda channel.
          Patriots in Ukraine are falling apart on their own, from old age, right?
          1. -2
            April 21 2024 13: 07
            . From new attacks on the home country

            . Those who can take off are defending themselves, not Israel.

            Decide somehow.
            Patriots in Ukraine are falling apart on their own, from old age, right?

            Only one case comes to mind when the launcher was cut by shrapnel. On the other hand, the organization of the armed forces in general and missile defense in particular have never been the strengths of the countries of the post-Soviet space. Ukraine, even against such a background, did not stand out for the better. So it’s quite strange to compare the Ukrainian missile defense system with the Israeli one.
            1. 0
              April 21 2024 17: 25
              Quote: Negro
              Decide somehow.
              What don't you understand? Those planes that took off are protecting the political, military and industrial centers of the country of deployment (their airfield), and are not chasing the Kyrgyz Republic flying towards Israel.
              1. +2
                April 21 2024 21: 05
                . Those planes that took off protect the political, military and industrial centers of the country of deployment

                It turns out that if they took off from Israel, then they are protecting Israel, everything is logical.
                1. 0
                  April 21 2024 21: 28
                  Quote: Negro
                  It turns out that if they took off from Israel, then they are protecting Israel, everything is logical.
                  There, 5 more countries were shot down.
                  1. +2
                    April 22 2024 01: 41
                    Free teachings. Both cruise missiles and suicide mopeds are quite simple targets for aviation.

                    Of course, if something flies through Jordan again, Jordan will shoot down again. This is not Poland, it’s not customary to admire such things there. Whether US, SA, and even more so French aviation will operate is not so important.
                    1. 0
                      April 22 2024 19: 59
                      Quote: Negro
                      Of course, if something flies through Jordan again, Jordan will shoot down again.
                      This is if he doesn’t fly through Jordan first.
                      1. 0
                        April 22 2024 21: 14
                        What do you mean Iran doesn't have enough enemies? Well, this is a promising thought.
                      2. 0
                        April 22 2024 23: 00
                        Quote: Negro
                        What do you mean Iran doesn't have enough enemies? Well, this is a promising thought.
                        That is, in your opinion, Iran’s missiles were now intercepted by its friends?
                      3. 0
                        April 23 2024 08: 14
                        You will certainly be surprised, but any sane country will shoot down any military vehicles in its airspace if they are present there without its permission. Greetings from friend Erdogan.
    2. -1
      April 22 2024 00: 58
      Quote: Negro
      1. With such results, Iran cannot carry out either a counterforce or a decapitation strike.

      Without nuclear weapons.
      Quote: Negro
      Neither Israel's military nor political machine was damaged in any way.

      It seems that such a task was not set.
      Quote: Negro
      The “affected” base sent and received aircraft without interruption.

      What if these missiles were loaded with nuclear weapons?
      Quote: Negro
      Any missile defense system, even the world's strongest missile defense system of Israel and its allies, is overcome by oversaturation.

      There was no oversaturation. They simply could not intercept what was flying to the base.
      1. +1
        April 22 2024 01: 50
        . Without nuclear weapons.

        Doesn't matter. Military personnel and politicians are much less vulnerable to weapons of mass destruction than civilians. On the other hand, yes, the presence of nuclear weapons makes a preventive strike an even more rational strategy.
        . It seems that such a task was not set.

        Cunning plan, yes.
        .if these missiles were with nuclear weapons?

        They thought about this at the time. It is necessary to practice mass take-off and/or dispersal.
        . There was no oversaturation. They simply could not intercept what was flying to the base.

        According to available data, there were numerous ballistics launches and recorded transatmospheric interceptions. So there was an overload, but your “they just couldn’t” is speculation.
        1. 0
          April 22 2024 01: 55
          Quote: Negro
          According to available data, there were numerous ballistics launches and recorded transatmospheric interceptions. So there was an overload, but your “they just couldn’t” is speculation.

          There was no overload there, don’t worry. It just turned out that not all Iranian missiles are “amenable” to interception.
          1. 0
            April 22 2024 01: 59
            Your statement is based on nothing. However, if the bearded men really showed weapons that in speed or trajectory do not correspond to the Israeli missile defense capabilities, then this would be an interesting case, thanks to them for this with a brush.
            1. 0
              April 22 2024 02: 02
              Quote: Negro
              However, if the bearded men really showed weapons that in speed or trajectory do not correspond to the Israeli missile defense capabilities, then this would be an interesting case, thanks to them for this with a brush.

              Please... But the limitations of missile defense in terms of the types of trajectories and intercepted targets are by no means a secret...
              1. 0
                April 22 2024 02: 06
                This is as much as you like. But since the warheads somehow reached the ground, it was clearly possible to intercept them. It’s one thing if the missile defense system did not cover this object, another if it was discharged, third if it did not work. The last option would be the most interesting for Israel. However, he is the least likely.
                1. 0
                  April 22 2024 02: 09
                  Quote: Negro
                  However, he is the least likely.

                  Hee hee!
                  1. 0
                    April 22 2024 02: 14
                    It goes without saying that the assumption that Iran in the field of rocket science is above the Soviet level of the 60s (Elbrus rocket of 62) is less likely than that it is within this level. Because the first assumption by definition includes the second.
                    1. 0
                      April 22 2024 02: 25
                      Quote: Negro
                      It goes without saying that the assumption that Iran in the field of rocket science is above the Soviet level of the 60s (Elbrus rocket of 62) is less likely than that it is within this level. Because the first assumption by definition includes the second.

                      I have already written to you everything that happened. I won’t add anything more. Iran has a lot to be happy about.
                      1. 0
                        April 22 2024 02: 30
                        You did not “tell”, but “stated” that the arrivals at the base were due to the fact that Sling was unable to work out these weapons. Of course, these are your conjectures - you are clearly not writing this from the IDF headquarters.
                      2. 0
                        April 22 2024 02: 38
                        Quote: Negro
                        Of course, these are your conjectures - you are clearly not writing this from the IDF headquarters.

                        So ask IDF headquarters. Business...
                      3. +1
                        April 22 2024 03: 33
                        There's no hurry. He didn’t explain it yet for October last year.
  12. +4
    April 21 2024 11: 26
    Iran's actions have given the coalition of countries defending Israel significant real-world experience in defending against large-scale missile and drone strikes

    Well, firstly, it was an expected event, absolutely not unexpected. The Iranians warned about this and the USA + Israel were at their maximum. combat readiness. One might say ideal conditions for defense.
    Secondly, the bulk of the attack was UAVs and not, in fact, variations of ballistic missiles. Yes, there were old CDs and they worked really well, apparently. In terms of the potential for penetrating missile defense, the strike was clearly of a demonstration nature - Iran launched a lot of objects that were supposed to be shot down, and there were much fewer targets.

    No missile defense system is absolute, even if the strike does not have the task of tearing apart this missile defense system, which was clearly not set by the Iranians. So, according to the results, IMHO, Iran received the data, the rest basically saw the picture they wanted to see.
  13. 0
    April 21 2024 12: 18
    That is, “all the royal cavalry and all the royal army” could not defeat, well, honestly, not the most advanced missiles in the world. And there is something to think about.
    NATO didn’t really prepare for the fact that they would be bombed; they thought that they would mostly do the bombing. Therefore, air defense tasks were assigned mainly to aviation. Before the next strike, the Iranians will first have to hit the airfields from which the cover aircraft took off.
  14. +2
    April 21 2024 12: 59
    If Iranian missiles were fired from some bases in Iraq, then those bases definitely need to be hit. The same is true for Jordan, which has clearly demonstrated itself as a country that protects Jews.
  15. 0
    April 21 2024 13: 09
    Does anyone here know how the fuses of missiles like Storm Shadow work?
    Are they purely mechanical or is electrical used as well?
  16. +3
    April 21 2024 14: 07
    I was touched by the author's concern about the cost of American missiles. Perhaps it is time to realize that the costs do not matter to the United States and the Jewish rich in America. The ability to test technologies far from America's borders with impunity offsets possible costs.
  17. 0
    April 21 2024 14: 22
    Even if Iran used missiles only old models, of which there were many. Iran also has new missiles. I don’t think Iran will launch new missiles en masse.
    They gave away the old martyrs, and probably worked with Russia to modernize and improve them on their own. Our countries share information
    1. 0
      April 21 2024 14: 29
      Poland raises all its aircraft into the sky during missile attacks. Ours should also take as an example
      We haven’t heard anything about night hunters lately, it seems they were supposed to be hunting for drones
  18. 0
    April 21 2024 14: 42
    Quote: Vladimir80
    What targets were hit?

    The ones that were needed were the ones that struck me.

    Or do you think that VO, adored by many readers, Zionists will they openly declare the success of the Iranians?

    But these are all children's lyrics.
    The successes of the Americans, who have begun to widely use their SM interceptors, cannot but be alarming.
    And the huge number of sea carriers and ground batteries near the borders of our Motherland should prompt our response.

    All the successful, long-term efforts of American R&D in this area are made for only one thing - the guaranteed interception of our missiles launched in response to an American disarming strike on Russia.

    How many SM interceptors are there now per one of our warheads?
    3 or 4?

    Yes, the most peaceful hermit monk would not have been able to resist, given such a ratio, and would have struck first.
    Time is working against us.
  19. -1
    April 21 2024 16: 03
    Quote: Negro
    . From new attacks on the home country

    . Those who can take off are defending themselves, not Israel.

    Decide somehow.
    Patriots in Ukraine are falling apart on their own, from old age, right?

    Only one case comes to mind when the launcher was cut by shrapnel. On the other hand, the organization of the armed forces in general and missile defense in particular have never been the strengths of the countries of the post-Soviet space. Ukraine, even against such a background, did not stand out for the better. So it’s quite strange to compare the Ukrainian missile defense system with the Israeli one.


    What the fuck, “one incident with shrapnel”?! At least 2PU Patriot and TZM were destroyed, which was admitted by the Ukrainians themselves and in the West.
    1. +1
      April 21 2024 21: 02
      .What the fuck, “one incident with fragments”?! At least 2PU Patriot and TZM were destroyed, which was admitted by the Ukrainians themselves and in the West.

      It seems we are talking about the same thing. Shrapnel damage to the launcher from a nearby explosion. The launcher is a dump trailer with a TPK, so nothing interesting: the TPK is disposable anyway, the trailer itself costs an order of magnitude less than one anti-missile missile. I don’t recall any reports of problems with the radar or control room.
  20. -2
    April 21 2024 16: 33
    At the same time, we must take into account that Iran did not attack any air defense ships. What if he attacked?
  21. +2
    April 21 2024 16: 51
    IMHO, the author somehow pulls everything onto the globe.
    It may well be that the Jews will take into account the lessons of the simultaneous massive attack by the Iranians (which, as it were, they successfully neutralized) and the various Houthis, and next time they will also strike en masse.
    Before this, they targeted Syria, etc., demonstrating the successes of their intelligence, etc.
    But they can hit a lot of people. Rockets, planes, etc. And they also have drones.
    And the media have long forgotten about the S300 transferred to Syria. And perhaps Iranian air defense will not remember either. so far they are famous only for the downing of a civilian Boeing and the interception of a pair of low-speed UAVs from America...
  22. 0
    April 21 2024 18: 44
    Quote from Alexwar
    You would be better off looking at where the air defense units are located; in many places they are not there at all.
    Reply
    Quote

    Who are you talking to now? to me ? sofa pensioner? you speak worse than Netovich...
  23. +2
    April 21 2024 21: 44
    A few years ago, Iron Dome's interception rate dropped to 67%. When the Israeli military was asked to comment on this, they explained that they simply did not have time to reload. Their Dome was developed (taking into account growth, of course) for a specific number of missile-dummy attacks. About 10-15 per day. When there are 300 attacks, efficiency drops sharply
  24. 0
    April 22 2024 12: 19
    The question is how Iran will behave next and how much Israel will have enough (I would bet that it won’t) in terms of ammunition reserves to repel a more serious attack. Let's say, from 500 vehicles and missiles.

    Why 500 and not 5000?
    Quote: Vladimir80
    What targets were hit? Otherwise, there is no way to find reliable information on this matter....

    There is more reliable information than IDF propaganda.
    At least 5 hits in the Nevatim airbase, another 5 in the Ramon airbase, one in Hermon, 3 hits in the Dimona complex (one direct hit). The effectiveness of intercepting ballistic missiles is 84%. Mainly old samples from warehouses to be disposed of.
  25. +1
    April 22 2024 19: 47
    Why are we discussing gossip of the sort one grandma said or another?
  26. 0
    April 29 2024 22: 21
    Quote: Kostadinov
    There is more reliable information than IDF propaganda.
    At least 5 hits in the Nevatim airbase, another 5 in the Ramon airbase, one in Hermon, 3 hits in the Dimona complex (one direct hit). The effectiveness of intercepting ballistic missiles is 84%. Mainly old samples from warehouses to be disposed of.


    At the nuclear complex in Dimona, it was necessary to hit with a large number.
    A blow to the nuclear Zionist complex is like a sickle to Netanyahu’s Faberge.