Is Rafale a betrayal or a necessary measure for Serbia?

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Is Rafale a betrayal or a necessary measure for Serbia?

Yes, a very interesting picture emerges: Serbia, a friend-ally in Europe, probably one of the last, and suddenly makes such a feint by buying French Rafales. This was already confirmed by the country's President Vučić, saying that “concrete agreements” had been reached on the purchase of 12 aircraft.

For Serbia, which mainly operates with Russian weapons, the step seems to be quite strange, and the editorial office received several articles from “angry patriots.” Actually, the Internet is full of this: “there was no point in harnessing them,” “traitors,” “the same brothers,” and so on. The usual philistine stupidity of people who live by emotions and do not want to carefully consider the issue.



And we will look carefully, especially since on the Balkan issue I have two consultants who live in Serbia and have spent a lot of effort and time so that I understand what this serpentine corner called the Balkans is. Without understanding this, you can’t talk about airplanes; everything is very closely connected there.

So, Serbia is buying 12 Rafale fighters. The same ones that Croatia bought a little earlier, for about the same cost: about three billion dollars.

The French, of course, are happy, they have a breakthrough. This is already the seventh contract for the sale of Rafales, sales of which, we honestly admit, started so-so. Yes, and Serbia and Croatia - well, these are not buyers, a regiment for two - so-so, but the trouble has begun, pieces of the former Russian market are being chewed off. And there is something to be happy about, no doubt.

Vucic, as always, is making a hysterical show out of the purchase; the agreement will be signed in the presence of as many as two presidents, Serbia and France.


Serbia will use the Rafales for a much-needed modernization of its aging fighter fleet, which consists of Soviet MiG-29 fighters acquired by Yugoslavia in the 80s and diluted (those that survived after 1999) with Russian and Belarusian ones. new MiG-29.


It is obvious that the Rafale is significantly more combat-ready than the MiG-29, which comes from the last century. In general, the Serbian Air Force has as many as 14 MiG-29s, which need to be replaced with something. If it is necessary, of course, the country does not seem to be going to fight yet, but the MiGs are already obvious aircraft junk.


The Rafale comes standard with RBE2 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, Link 16 data link, updated Spectra self-defense/electronic warfare suite and automatic ground collision avoidance system.

The weapons package now includes, among other things, an MBDA Meteor long-range air-to-air missile (which, we note, the French, if they are not fools, would never sell to the Serbs), a Thales TALIOS guidance container and a high-precision product "air-to-ground" Sagem Hammer with laser guidance.

In general, it all looks good, if not for Russia behind us. I am sure that if the Rafales arrive, they will not be in the most luxurious configuration. So to speak, to avoid and just in case.

It is unclear when Serbia might receive the planes if the deal goes through as announced. Last month, the manufacturer confirmed it had a stockpile of 2023 aircraft for export by the end of 141, plus another 70 for France. Since then, another batch of 18 aircraft for Indonesia has been added to the order book. In some previous export orders, France was willing to redirect aircraft from French Air Force depots to other customers to ensure faster delivery.

Now about the political component. Serbia is neutral but has long had close military relations with Russia, including regular joint exercises, including among the air force.

Unlike Croatia, Serbia is not a NATO member but participates in the Partnership for Peace program, a kind of NATO-lite that allows countries to conduct joint military exercises and other initiatives without joining the alliance.

Serbia, in turn, is not very keen to join the European Union, but nevertheless, the Balkans are Europe, and here everything is strongly tied into one ball.

The Serbs really have an average mood: on the one hand, Schengen doesn’t seem to bother anyone, on the other hand, they already live well. Yes, young people are eager to work in Europe, but this can easily be done without a Schengen visa.

But there is Kosovo. Here is a map, let’s say, Serbian-oriented.


And here is the map that I took at Le Monde, that is, French/European.


Please note that Kosovo, from a European point of view, is a completely separate state. With all the ensuing consequences.

And the consequences are as follows: Kosovo, which declared its independence, is a partially recognized phenomenon, and at first a bunch of states recognized independence, and then a series of withdrawals began. But for now, Kosovo’s status is approximately the same as that of Abkhazia. Yes, they now have their own administration and even a whole president in the capital Pristina. But the north of Kosovo, where the Serbs live, is not controlled by Pristina; on the other hand, Belgrade does not control the center and south of Kosovo, although according to the Constitution this is Serbian land.

Putting pressure and reasoning with the Kosovars is not an option; everyone in Serbia understands perfectly well that then they will be persecuted throughout Europe. As it already happened in 1999 and beyond. Russia? Well, until 2022, the Russian army stood like a formidable ghost behind the Serbs, everyone there was sure that if something happened...

Today it is clear that there will be no “if something happens”, and Russia is busy with slightly different problems.

However, Europe is also in no hurry to separate Kosovo. Here a certain Serbian Republic within Bosnia and Herzegovina suddenly played its destructive role. In fact, BiH is a separate show with land management, but as part of this entity, almost half of the territory with half of the inhabitants is precisely the Republika Srpska (the capital is nominally Sarajevo, but in fact it is Banja Luka).

So, the President of the SR within BiH, a certain Milorad Dodik, who has a reputation as an inveterate chauvinist and nationalist (for example, the hostel named after Radovan Karadzic and the monument to Gavrilo Princip), gave out a number, saying that if the independence of Kosovo is recognized and this country is admitted to the European Union, he will take the Republika Srpska, uproot it from Bosnia and Herzegovina and take it home to Serbia. Like Crimea.

In Bosnia and Herzegovina, and then throughout Europe, to put it mildly, they were stunned by such a presentation, but the whole joke of the moment is that Dodik could easily initiate this! In reality, he is a complex person with such twists, but he is frankly ours.

So with Kosovo, everyone in Europe has calmed down for now, because if Dodik really “closes” the Serbian Republic, then Bosnia and Herzegovina will be a spit on the map.

This is a political picture of the Balkan madhouse as presented by the Serbs. The most interesting thing is that people have absolutely no doubt about all the above points, especially regarding the fact that they will be given the full price for Kosovo. Serbs can be killed anywhere, but a Croat or an Albanian cannot be touched in any way...

But let's get back to planes and maps.

So, the question is: why don’t the Serbs stop fooling around and buy, say, our Su-35SE, which are head and shoulders better than the Rafales? Yes, compared to the MiG-29, consider that you will have to master everything all over again, the aircraft is really of a different generation, but still Russian technology is very different from French. For the better.

And they would sell ours with pleasure and teach us.

We look at the patchwork quilt left from the former Yugoslavia and understand that if we buy Su-35s, there is no way to deliver them to Serbia.

Those who started yelling at all corners that the Serbs were traitors, these people simply didn’t even bother to look at the map. At least with one eye. But if this happened, then these gentlemen would discover a very interesting feature of Serbia - it does not have a common border with Russia. And there is no access to the sea either.

Attention, question: how would the Su-35 get to Serbia in this case? Oh, they would fly on wings... Yes, they say airplanes have this option - to fly. But in order to fly to Serbia and land there, they need to ask permission from the countries through whose airspace they will have to fly. Serbia, I repeat, has no access to the sea, which means there is no access to neutral corridors through which one could slip through.

I’m not sure about Macedonia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, but all other countries clearly would not allow Russian planes through their airspace. This also applies to NATO members Bulgaria, Romania, Austria and Greece, and all these fragments of the former Yugoslavia are also not very independent.

I am sure that where it was not ours, everything was foreseen and all persons were notified of what would happen if Russia began supplying its weapons to Serbia.

Although there was no need to strain too much, and it is clear that closing ports and airspaces to Russian supplies with sanctions is as easy as shelling pears. And one can be very loudly indignant at various negative features inherent in the Serbs, but when asked how to deliver equipment to Serbia, not a single loudmouth really answered anything. Which is generally logical, because yelling is one thing, but moving bags is something completely different.

But no matter how Russian-Serbian relations develop, acquiring Russian weapon has become much more difficult since the West imposed sanctions against Russia. Not only has it become much more difficult to buy new fighter jets, for example, but also that the source of spare parts for existing aircraft has essentially become problematic. And if we talk about major repairs and modernizations, then yes, it has become very difficult to work with Russia. Especially in Europe. And in other regions of the United States there is also such pressure that no one seems to have enough. The consequences of this pressure are manifested in changes in aircraft procurement around the world, needless to say.

Therefore, when you need a weapon, but there’s not much where to get it, you have to look for an alternative. Unfortunately, aviation technology is the most complex technology in the world so far and the most capricious.


Serbian police H215 helicopter flies over Nikola Tesla Airport in Belgrade

Before interest in the Rafale appeared, Serbia had acquired three Airbus H215 medium helicopters and nine H145M light utility helicopters, as well as a pair of C295 turboprop transport aircraft for its armed forces and police. Should we see malicious intent in this? Weakness? Betrayal?

No. For now, I see that it is simply impossible to implement contracts of this kind. Serbia, alas, is not Iran. It was the planes that flew to Tehran under their own power over the Caspian Sea, and there were no problems. They can be both combat and transport. And to Belgrade - excuse me, the Turks carry it. From Belgrade to Ankara, and from there to Moscow, for example. And there is no other way. But to overtake a combat aircraft - alas. And if you don’t deliver it with a transport worker, they won’t let you through. Well, as I already said, the sea is not expected in Serbia yet. And the Bulgarians and Romanians, you understand, are not helpers.

I don’t know how I feel about those who yell at the Serbs. There are only two options: either remain without modern weapons, which is absolutely not an option at a time like this, or buy where they are.

The West was able to exclude Russia from the lists of arms suppliers for many countries, this is a fact. However, the situation is such that this is only beneficial, because money from partners is good, but in Ukraine they fight not with money, but with equipment and ammunition. And everything that our factories produce is needed there more.

Nothing terrible in principle, well, the Serbs fly in Rafales. Then they will have Su-35SM or something else, but before that they need to solve the main problem - the problem of Ukraine.

That, in fact, is all we wanted to say regarding this seemingly strange contract for the purchase of Rafales by Serbia.
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  1. +7
    April 16 2024 04: 51
    There is too much water and emotion in the article. Regarding this:
    a very interesting picture emerges: Serbia, a friend-ally in Europe, probably one of the last, and suddenly makes such a feint by buying French Rafales.
    , then it’s high time to understand that there are no permanent allies, but the country’s interests do exist. Several years ago, Serbia acquired not our S-400 air defense system, but the Chinese HQ-22. No conclusions were drawn.
    1. +4
      April 16 2024 05: 02
      Quote: Tucan
      There is too much water and emotion in the article. Regarding this:
      a very interesting picture emerges: Serbia, a friend-ally in Europe, probably one of the last, and suddenly makes such a feint by buying French Rafales.
      , then it’s high time to understand that there are no permanent allies, but the country’s interests do exist. Several years ago, Serbia acquired not our S-400 air defense system, but the Chinese HQ-22. No conclusions were drawn.

      Apparently some people don’t understand that Serbia does not border Russia, and it’s very difficult to deliver anything there. Well, they wouldn’t let the S-400 through from Russia, isn’t it clear? Do you have to chew it and put it in your mouth? Draw your own “conclusions”.
      1. +4
        April 16 2024 05: 07
        Yes you, what? Maybe before you “chew” it’s worth asking when Serbia abandoned the S-400 and bought a Chinese air defense system?
        1. +2
          April 17 2024 20: 33
          Are you unable to find this information online? It is not secret and there are plenty of sources. And Serbia refused the S-400 because it wanted to receive it for free. that is for nothing. For some reason Moscow did not agree...
      2. -7
        April 16 2024 05: 39
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Well, they wouldn’t let the S-400 through from Russia, isn’t it clear? Do you have to chew it and put it in your mouth? Draw your own “conclusions”.

        So, has Montenegro lost access to the sea?
        1. +16
          April 16 2024 06: 13
          Montenegro has not lost access to the sea. But Montenegro has been a NATO member since 2017 and will not allow products from the Russian military-industrial complex to pass through.
      3. +2
        April 16 2024 11: 10
        But it’s not possible along the Danube, no? There was no war then.
        1. 0
          April 16 2024 12: 15
          But it’s not possible along the Danube, no?
          stankow(stan) bravo! The question is right on point. Why does the author (R. Skomorokhov) not take this delivery option into account? The Danube River has an international legal status that determines the rules of navigation for all countries and ships flying their flag. Russia, as the successor of the USSR, is included in the list of Danube countries, even without direct access to its shores. But even if it is now impossible for the Russian Federation to agree on the passage of its ships along the Danube to Belgrade... Who can prohibit Belgrade itself (Serbia) from carrying any transit cargo on its river vessels if they are not included in the list of prohibited transportation? The only doubt here is whether weapons for the aircraft themselves are included in the prohibited list of cargo. Then, really, what is the point of transporting planes along the Danube if it is impossible to transport missiles for them. But isn’t Serbia itself capable of producing aircraft missiles, even under our license? Maybe it’s worth studying and considering the Danube option?
        2. +1
          April 16 2024 12: 27
          And in addition... Remember there was a discussion about the possible delivery of two English patrol boats to Ukraine, which Turkey would not allow through the Bosphorus because of Montreux? Then some offered to deliver them via a system of rivers and canals through Germany and along the Danube to Odessa. ..
          So, in the Convention on Navigation on the Danube there is a clause prohibiting the passage of warships of foreign states without the appropriate permission from the Danube countries. And here Serbia could stand in the way of these boats without giving such consent. Therefore, they did not even try to implement this option, and the boats are still stationed in Portsmouth and Ukrainian crews are preparing for them. And what, Ukraine will have its own logistics center in the UK... Lafa who is lucky enough to serve there
          Serbia sells its weapons all over the world, which means it somehow exports them outside the country, so why can’t it be brought in?
          1. +2
            April 16 2024 13: 12
            The main thing is that the Serbs do not “sell” old MIGs to Ukraine or to some “intermediaries”, that will be a trick!!!
            1. +2
              April 17 2024 00: 07
              I'm afraid this has long been a fait accompli.
    2. 0
      April 17 2024 13: 57
      Don’t oversimplify, in addition to technical aspects, there are also price ones.
    3. 0
      April 22 2024 16: 29
      In politics there are no friends and enemies, but there are mutually beneficial and disadvantageous trade and market relations. No matter how you like it. Some will say selfishness, some will say no.
  2. +14
    April 16 2024 04: 56
    All these words “brotherly people, allies, friendship” have a weight of 0 in politics.
    As a classic of politics said: “there are no allies, there are interests.” Alexander the Third understood that only the army and navy were allies of Russia, the rest was chatter. And whoever believes in this chatter finds himself drawn into the SVO
    1. +2
      April 16 2024 05: 51
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      All these words “brotherly people, allies, friendship” have a weight of 0 in politics.

      The Bulgarians are real brothers! good We won them from the Ottomans and gave them sovereignty. At the Berlin Congress, their territory was immediately reduced, only autonomy was recognized, and for 30 years we were the only ones who recognized Bulgaria as an independent state. And during the times of the USSR, they actually asked to join the Union twice as the 16th republic! But!!! With all this, in both world wars they fought against us, after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and CMEA, they immediately joined NATO and the EEC. And they are pursuing the appropriate policy - they blocked our southern flows and are helping Ukraine. And in the event of World War III, they will fight against us AGAIN! fellow
      1. +9
        April 16 2024 07: 31
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        The Bulgarians are real brothers! We won them back from the Ottomans and gave them sovereignty. At the Berlin Congress, their territory was immediately reduced, only autonomy was recognized, and for 30 years we were the only ones who recognized Bulgaria as an independent state. And during the times of the USSR, they actually asked to join the Union twice as the 16th republic! But!!! With all this, in both world wars they fought against us, after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and CMEA, they immediately joined NATO and the EEC. And they are pursuing the appropriate policy - they blocked our southern flows and are helping Ukraine. And in the event of World War III, they will fight against us AGAIN!

        if you expected something from someone, but he behaved differently, this is not his problem, but your incorrect assessment of him and inflated expectations... and your comment proves that many still do not understand that there are no friends in politics and They expect something from someone, childishly offended that they act according to their own interests, and not “great friendship”.. countries are not people, don’t you know? they have interests, not love and friendship, and this is generally normal hi
        1. +5
          April 16 2024 07: 37
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          if you expected something from someone, but he behaved differently, this is not his problem, but your incorrect assessment of him and inflated expectations..

          I just don’t expect anything from anyone. I cited Bulgaria (and the Bulgarians) as an example of how everything happens in reality. Therefore, you need to expect the worst and think about someone in the same way. And you won't be disappointed! Yes
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          Countries are not people, don’t you know?

          But here I don’t agree with you! People in this aspect are no different from countries! “Everyone has their own shirt closer to the body!”
          1. +7
            April 16 2024 07: 43
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            But here I don’t agree with you! People in this aspect are no different from countries! “Everyone has their own shirt closer to the body!”

            those. the same governments make decisions based on emotions, not reason - in your opinion? and the country is like a creature with emotions - strong.. laughing a country where they think with emotions is doomed... much like the Republic of Ingushetia, which fit into WWII based on emotions - save your brothers...
            1. +1
              April 16 2024 08: 48
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              those. the same governments make decisions based on emotions, not reason - in your opinion? and a country is like a creature with emotions - strong.. a country where they think with emotions is doomed..

              You don’t understand at all what I’m writing? Where do I even have a word about emotions? "Your shirt is closer to your body", this is not about emotions, but about cold calculation!
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              something like RI, which fit into WWI on emotions - to save the brothers ..

              This cartoon was circulated in the newspapers to raise the spirit of patriotism and drive the herd into the trenches! But in fact, the Republic of Ingushetia fit into WWI because the allies were getting a lot of money, especially from France! There was simply no other option!
              1. +5
                April 16 2024 09: 09
                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                You don’t understand at all what I’m writing? Where do I even have a word about emotions? “Your shirt is closer to your body,” this is not about emotions, but about cold calculation!

                I understand.. it’s just why you initially started talking about the “brothers”, with the style you presented - it was immediately unclear without further explanation that this was a type of sarcasm, and not a real “offense” at their behavior.. hi
                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                But in fact, the Republic of Ingushetia fit into WWI because the allies were getting a lot of money, especially from France!

                I agree here, historically all wars are in one way or another connected with money or other “goodies” ..
                1. -1
                  April 16 2024 09: 11
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  I understand.. it’s just why you initially started talking about the “brothers”, with the style you presented - it was immediately unclear without further explanation that this was a type of sarcasm, and not a real “offense” at their behavior..

                  Yes, “brothers” should have been put in quotation marks... I just meant that you shouldn’t consider anyone your brother and based on this and the fact that you did something for someone... you should expect something in return ... hi
            2. +3
              April 16 2024 09: 29
              It’s nonsense that the Republic of Ingushetia fit into WWI on emotions, there were a wave of mercantile economic calculations of specific capitalist groups... And stories about “let’s protect our little brothers” are all for feeding the population, since people can be forced to go to war for their little brothers, but for the interests of the capitalists already problematic
      2. +4
        April 16 2024 09: 26
        I don’t remember about the First World War, but in the Second World War they didn’t fight against us!!! Yes, they were allies of Germany, but they did not send their troops against the USSR. And they sent the same Yugoslavs against the Greeks
        1. -1
          April 16 2024 09: 41
          Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
          but they didn’t fight against us in World War II!!!

          What does "didn't fight" mean? On March 1, 1941, the Bulgarian Kingdom joined the Tripartite Pact (Axis). Bulgarian soldiers did not directly take part in hostilities on the territory of the USSR. Bulgaria did not even break off diplomatic relations with us (the only one of the Axis countries) But! Bulgaria's participation in the occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia and military actions against Greek and Yugoslav partisans freed up German divisions to be sent to the Eastern Front. Additionally, in 1941 and 1942, the Bulgarian General Staff sent several military missions of high-ranking General Staff officers to visit the occupied lands of the USSR. In addition, the ports of Varna and Burgas were converted to accommodate German warships, which operated from them in the Black Sea. The existing airfields from which the Luftwaffe operated were also re-equipped and new ones were built. We won’t talk about the economic component of the contribution to the Third Reich...
          Do you think this is not a war?
          1. +1
            April 16 2024 10: 52
            Are Belarus and Ukraine currently at war?
            1. -2
              April 16 2024 10: 55
              Quote: Burer
              Are Belarus and Ukraine currently at war?

              The analogy is a little different.
              Is NATO at war with us now?
              1. +1
                April 16 2024 10: 59
                No, like Belarus and Ukraine, and like Bulgaria and the USSR
                1. -3
                  April 16 2024 11: 02
                  Quote: Burer
                  No, like Belarus and Ukraine, and like Bulgaria and the USSR

                  I don't agree with your value judgment. Everyone remained to their own opinion... hi
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        2. +1
          April 16 2024 19: 29
          Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
          I don’t remember about the First World War, but in the Second World War they didn’t fight against us!!! Yes, they were allies of Germany, but they did not send their troops against the USSR. And they sent the same Yugoslavs against the Greeks

          What allowed the Germans and their allies to free up units to be sent to the Eastern Front request
          1. +2
            April 16 2024 22: 14
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            What allowed the Germans and their allies to free up units to be sent to the Eastern Front

            The man wrote - this is different!
      3. +4
        April 16 2024 09: 40
        In fact, everything is more complicated there; historically, in conflicts on the Balkan Peninsula, Russia supported the Serbs, while the Bulgarians fought with them for dominance in the region, hence it turns out that Russia was indirectly an ally of the Serbs and, accordingly, an enemy of the Bulgarians.
        1. +2
          April 16 2024 12: 43
          Russia supported the Serbs while the Bulgarians fought them for dominance in the region,

          It was so, you are right! But not immediately, but only during the 2nd Balkan War, when the former “allies” Serbia and Bulgaria, who together defeated Turkey in the 1st war, began to divide what they had conquered from the Turks.
          And here, Russia supported Serbia with its Great Serbian ambitions for the entire Balkans and even part of Austria... It was then that the Bulgarians considered themselves betrayed and began to rub shoulders with Germany, which promised to help them in everything.
          1. +3
            April 16 2024 13: 30
            Before the First World War, there was the Serbian-Bulgarian War of 1885, where Russia did not support the Bulgarians, despite the fact that it was the Serbs who attacked the Bulgarians, and the Serbian king Milan I Obrenovic was in fact a puppet of the Austrian General Staff, like the whole of Serbia until the removal of the Obrenovic dynasty in 1903.
            1. +2
              April 16 2024 13: 46
              Yes, Dmitry, I’m talking about the same thing... that you need to know all the reasons for the betrayal of the “brothers” of the Bulgarians, why they ended up on the other side in both World Wars. I asked this question at one time, not being satisfied with Soviet propaganda, from which it was impossible to understand how this happened. After all, in the USSR we didn’t like to raise this topic, for the sake of friendship between peoples. And Yugoslavia, with Tito’s special position, was always considered more hostile than Bulgaria with its two World Wars against us. Fortunately, now you can freely find any scientific and historical literature and clarify this point for yourself.
              1. +1
                April 16 2024 16: 46
                Tito was a Croat that fought against Serbs in WW1 lol, and he formed Yugoslavia in a way to limit and eventually diminish the influence of Serbs, which happened at the end. He turned his back to USSR early on and was a target of Stalin for quite some time. Also Bulgarians did total terror against civilians in Serbia during ww1&2 in a way that can not be forgot
                1. 0
                  April 17 2024 07: 04
                  mocnijogurt(Mocnijogurt), you are talking about the genocide of the Serbs by the Bulgarians in both World Wars. I will not stand up for the Bulgarians, but I will say that not all military actions are considered genocide, even if the civilian population suffers. For now I call this war crimes, but not genocide. Don't think. that Bulgaria set itself the goal of destroying the Serbs as a nation. It’s just that between these countries there was a struggle for territory and especially for Macedonia, where the third important contender was Greece with its historical rights since the time of Alexander the Great...
                  So all the “stools” were broken there, and the classic (Pushkin) called it all “the eternal dispute of the Slavs among themselves,” although he meant the Poles and the Russians.
          2. 0
            April 25 2024 22: 04
            that is not true, Serbia never wanted a part of austria, don't forget that the Serbian army liberated parts of croatia and Slovenia, the biggest mistake is that the stupid Serbian king wanted to create a single state of southern slavs, that's how the kingdom of Serbs, croats and Slovenes was born, so then the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, and after the Great Patriotic War and the victory of the false communists under the leadership of the Austrian corporal Tito, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, the Serbs are the those who lost the most by the creation of quasi-states with Croats and other vermin
      4. -1
        April 16 2024 11: 12
        AIIX Your understanding of the Balkans is similar to that of an aborigine - hockey. Don't write, pls!
        1. 0
          April 16 2024 12: 47
          Quote: stankow
          AIIX Your understanding of the Balkans is similar to that of an aborigine - hockey.

          What are you! belay What a tragedy! Oh no no no crying Did the United States, when they bombed Yugoslavia, have a deep understanding of the Balkan intricacies? However, this did not stop THEM from putting the entire region under themselves! Montenegro was torn away, soon they will crush Serbia too! Where are all those with a deep understanding of the Balkans? wassat
          Quote: stankow
          Don't write, pls!

          I just forgot to ask your permission...
          1. 0
            April 28 2024 22: 47
            Not a permission, a request from me. Do not write, otherwise you will mislead your readers!
      5. +1
        April 16 2024 22: 33
        We won them from the Ottomans and gave them sovereignty. At the Berlin Congress, their territory was immediately reduced, only autonomy was recognized, and for 30 years we were the only ones who recognized Bulgaria as an independent state.

        that is, they fit in exclusively with the Bulgarians, and then they got a little carried away and the troops accidentally ended up near Constantinople...
        By the way, haven’t you tried to calculate about Russian politics in B. then? very interesting by the way, maybe you would have fewer complaints.
        1. -2
          April 16 2024 23: 30
          Quote: george.old
          that is, they fit in exclusively with the Bulgarians, and then they got a little carried away and the troops accidentally ended up near Constantinople...
          By the way, haven’t you tried to calculate about Russian politics in B. then? very interesting by the way, maybe you would have fewer complaints.

          Yes, something like that! Why are my texts misunderstood all the time? wassat We did not “fit in exclusively with the Bulgarians.” We, as it should be, pursued (sorry for the taftology) exclusively our own interests! And, along the way, it so happened that the Bulgarians were freed and given independence! But this does not change the fact that we gave them sovereignty, which the Europeans took away at the Berlin Congress. Just like during the Second Opium War, our troops, based on the purely selfish interests of the Republic of Ingushetia, occupied Beijing! And thus they prevented the British army from bombing it into rubbish!
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            1. -1
              April 17 2024 00: 00
              Quote: george.old
              Balkan campaign, as for me, the RI military had results, but then the RI politicians screwed them up and I wouldn’t blame the Bulgarians too much...

              And this, in fact, is our national tradition - at first the military wins everything, wins, and then the politicians/diplomats successfully squander it all! The only exception (which confirms the rule) is when we wrested Primorye from Qing China, out of the blue! laughing
            2. -1
              April 17 2024 00: 03
              Quote: george.old
              and I wouldn’t blame the Bulgarians too much...

              Yes, I don’t blame them, I’m just stating the fact that they, like the vast majority of other peoples, are “political forgive..... Lord” wassat
      6. +1
        April 18 2024 00: 22
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
        All these words “brotherly people, allies, friendship” have a weight of 0 in politics.

        The Bulgarians are real brothers! good We won them from the Ottomans and gave them sovereignty. At the Berlin Congress, their territory was immediately reduced, only autonomy was recognized, and for 30 years we were the only ones who recognized Bulgaria as an independent state. And during the times of the USSR, they actually asked to join the Union twice as the 16th republic! But!!! With all this, in both world wars they fought against us, after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and CMEA, they immediately joined NATO and the EEC. And they are pursuing the appropriate policy - they blocked our southern flows and are helping Ukraine. And in the event of World War III, they will fight against us AGAIN! fellow

        Sorry Alexander, but I’m repeating it again. Bulgaria DID NOT FIGHT against the USSR in WWII!!! And in WWI she fought against the Republic of Ingushetia only AFTER the ATTACK of Romania and the Republic of Ingushetia on Bulgaria in 1916!!! Yes, Bulgaria was an ALLY of Germany in both wars, but being an ally and fighting are two BIG differences. And during the Second World War, the USSR DECLARED war on Bulgaria on September 5.09.1944, 1, and the Red Army reached Sofia without a SINGLE shot and was greeted with flowers everywhere. And if the Russian Federation treats Bulgaria the same way, then unfortunately in 2-20 generations the majority of the Bulgarian population will be Russophobes. Now only about 10% are Russophobes, of which the majority are young people. About 12-70% of them don’t care, but about 40% are still Russophiles. I don’t know what the Russian Federation needs to do, but I really wouldn’t want it to happen that over time, Pin... himself managed to turn my people into Euro-bastards. But if this continues, in 50-XNUMX years, when my generation leaves for another world, this will happen.
        This is true about blocking threads. What do you want from the proteges...who of the embassy? And the help of Usraina from the same opera. And not the construction of two power units (already paid for and delivered) in Belem at a price of 5 billion leva together, but these bastards, to put it mildly, signed an agreement for two reactors from Wesinghouse for (note) 14 billion, but without specifying euros or dollars and this despite the fact that the cheapest Westinghouse reactor cost 30 billion dollars!!! The last government was formed EXACTLY under pressure from Washington. And the ministers violated the law by transferring “Carnations” to Ukraine, although the people’s assembly (from the same parties) voted only on 100 BTR-60PB from the reserves of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVR in Bulgarian).
  3. +4
    April 16 2024 05: 00
    Then they will have Su-35SM

    Will Serbia go to the sea?
    And if they somehow buy it, the Rafales will not be left without spare parts?
  4. KCA
    -4
    April 16 2024 05: 04
    But how did the 6 MiG-29s donated by Russia fly to Serbia? Are they super stealthy and no one noticed them? How to remove the wings and deliver them using BTA forces? What the hell is this? If you really want to, you can do anything; they learned about Iskanders in Kaliningrad only from reports on Russian TV
    1. +2
      April 16 2024 05: 33
      It was a long time ago, long before.
      1. KCA
        -2
        April 16 2024 06: 17
        In 2018, long before the Northern Military District, but already with Crimea, support for the LDPR and sanctions
    2. -9
      April 16 2024 06: 14
      Firstly, the MiG-29s were transferred to Serbia even before the start of a full-scale war, and the Iskanders could arrive by sea (I’ll tell you a secret - Kaliningrad has access to the Caspian Sea, and therefore to neutral routes for the transfer of weapons), or by air. Is it really that hard to guess?
      1. +8
        April 16 2024 06: 44
        Quote from DoctorRandom
        I’ll tell you a secret - Kaliningrad has access to the Caspian Sea

        Does Kaliningrad have access to the Caspian Sea? Yes, you are not only a discoverer of secrets, but also making great geographical discoveries! good
        1. +2
          April 16 2024 07: 05
          I sealed it, and a bunch of trolls immediately came out. It is a pity, of course, that a small typo does not affect the essence of my message.
      2. 0
        April 16 2024 06: 52
        Quote from DoctorRandom
        (I’ll tell you a secret - Kaliningrad has access to the Caspian Sea

        Doesn’t it have access to the Caribbean Sea?
        1. -2
          April 16 2024 19: 32
          Well then, off to the sea of ​​the Laptev brothers!!!
  5. +7
    April 16 2024 05: 09
    I wrote all this, only much more briefly, yesterday when discussing the same topic. The "leavened patriots" were downvoted.
    Meanwhile, the author’s material clearly shows concern for the fate of today’s Serbia. Yes, this is literally a friendly island surrounded by “sworn friends” of Russia.
    And no politician can predict how long this friendship will last.
    Here, either the West will “put the squeeze” on the Russophilia of the Serbs, or Russia will meaningfully and effectively show itself as a friend of Serbia.
  6. -3
    April 16 2024 05: 27
    Vucic doesn’t know the story of Sadam Hussein’s French radars, which refused to work at the right moment...a naive Indian. smile
    1. +11
      April 16 2024 06: 45
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Vucic doesn’t know the story of Sadam Hussein’s French radars

      This is bullshit! It was possible to remotely jam Iraqi telecommunications systems, but not radars. Which, moreover, were mostly Soviet.
      1. +7
        April 16 2024 10: 33
        This is bullshit
        Yes, many people here know about those wars exclusively from Prokopenko’s programs on REN TV))) They have traitorous generals and radars there. Everything that propaganda poured into their ears was all eaten by leaven hi
  7. +2
    April 16 2024 05: 31
    Why does Serbia need weapons?
    She will not be able to acquire and use it in sufficient quantities; in the event of any unnecessary movement against the West, they will throw hats at her, otherwise it is just an expensive toy.
    The main thing is that the “old” MiGs and other weapons do not end up in waste.
    1. +5
      April 16 2024 06: 20
      Quote: 75Sergey
      The main thing is that “old” MiGs and other weapons do not end up in waste

      Ooo!!! Yes, it looks like you looked at the very root!
  8. +9
    April 16 2024 05: 34
    Russia’s actions in once saving Orthodox Christians in the Balkans should be addressed to today’s emotions and nobility of Russians. Much water has passed under the bridge since then. The Orthodox Christians liberated there soon became enemies in Russia, and in Russia itself Orthodoxy was soon relegated to the status of an outcast. So it is logical to conclude that the fairy tale about the Orthodox Slavic brothers is for ordinary people, but for politicians it is interests . By the way, Yeltsin’s Russia, having left the USSR in 1991, left 20 mostly Orthodox Russian-speaking people who loved and devoted to Russia outside Russia to the mercy of fate, and only in 000 in Crimea and 000 in Donbass did it think of saving them. And from the fragments of greater Yugoslavia and from the great Warsaw Pact, Serbia, virtually surrounded by enemies, understands that if Russia is so difficult to save its own, Russia is definitely unlikely to save the Serbs now. There is a total paradox in Serbia. There is a pro-Russian older generation and ordinary people, but there are pro-Western youth and the majority of politicians.
    1. KCA
      0
      April 16 2024 06: 24
      Do only the older generation go to football matches? I think, on the contrary, young people, even at matches of their championship, and not with the participation of the Russian national team or teams, hang out the flags “Crimea - Russia, Kosovo - Serbia”, but the leadership in Serbia is dangling from east to west
    2. Eug
      0
      April 16 2024 06: 30
      About the geopolitical orientation of the population - this is about Ukraine too...at least about part of it.
    3. 0
      April 16 2024 09: 58
      There is a pro-Russian older generation and ordinary people, but there are pro-Western youth and the majority of politicians

      basically the same as in our country!
  9. +7
    April 16 2024 05: 49
    Is Rafale a betrayal or a necessary measure for Serbia?
    Enough with the propaganda cliches. We must look at all things realistically. Serbia is a country in a difficult economic, political and military situation, and it strives in every possible way to pursue its own national political course. She needs to defend her movement with something.
    1. -4
      April 16 2024 09: 57
      She needs to defend her movement with something.

      from whom ? and what is the protection? wink
      1. +4
        April 16 2024 10: 33
        Quote: Vladimir80
        from whom ?

        Do you think it’s not from anyone? A quarter of a century ago, history showed that there is someone...
        Quote: Vladimir80
        and what is the protection?

        Like any independent State - through political and military means, if necessary...
        1. -2
          April 16 2024 10: 58
          A quarter of a century ago, history showed that there is someone...

          They bought planes from a NATO country in order to protect themselves from NATO, which they will join after joining the European Union... European logic, however!
          1. -1
            April 16 2024 11: 41
            Quote: Vladimir80
            We bought planes from a NATO country to defend ourselves against NATO,

            But nothing has changed; at the time of NATO aggression, the Yugoslav army also had enough NATO weapons.
            By the way, Bosnia and Herzegovina, on whose territory the Republika Srpska is located, is not a member of NATO...
    2. 0
      April 16 2024 12: 58
      Quote: svp67
      Serbia is a country in a difficult economic, political and military situation, and it strives in every possible way to pursue its own national political course

      This is all clear. The main thing is that in order to better conduct their course, the Serbs do not transfer the released MiGs to Ukraine. In general, as long as you don't get carried away...
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  11. +7
    April 16 2024 06: 02
    What do we need from Serbia, other than the fact that they are good guys? There is no base, as I understand it, there is no spy nest a la Lourdes either, there is no center of influence (they remember that “there are 150 million of us and Russians” only when a conventional soldering iron appears near the conventional causal place) in the war if something happens for us, like The Tuvan Republic will not join the USSR in 41, there is no special economic interaction... Well, let them live as they like, we will be happy for them, the Rafale will be a fair wind for them. Romanians are also Orthodox.
    1. +1
      April 16 2024 12: 18
      Quote: mark1
      What do we need from Serbia, other than the fact that they are good guys? There is no base, as I understand it, there is no spy nest a la Lourdes either, there is no center of influence

      A lot of everything there belongs to Gazprom. In my opinion, Gazprom controls oil production, oil refining and sale of oil products. And so on little things, something. Plus, it seems not now, but recently, through a Serbian oil and gas production company, Gazprom had projects on the Angolan shelf, perhaps somewhere else, perhaps it still has something.
      If it weren’t for this, by the way, perhaps Serbia would have relied on us long ago. And it would be difficult to blame her for this; the alliance with Russia is now very toxic. And in many ways this is our fault.
  12. -11
    April 16 2024 06: 05
    The Serbs would think about who to buy from. Surely these fighters have a trick and some kind of “backdoors” are sewn into them. Well that's their business
  13. 0
    April 16 2024 06: 16
    Quote: KCA
    But how did the 6 MiG-29s donated by Russia fly to Serbia? Are they super stealthy and no one noticed them? How to remove the wings and deliver them using BTA forces? What the hell is this? If you really want to, you can do anything; they learned about Iskanders in Kaliningrad only from reports on Russian TV

    It is unlikely that BTA planes will pass through the countries surrounding Serbia; what should they fly through? The Kaliningrad region has access to the sea and a good port. They delivered it by sea. Serbia has not.
  14. Eug
    -5
    April 16 2024 06: 27
    And why won’t “partner” Erdogan allow SERBian flights to enter SERBIA? But I agree on the main thing - UNTIL this is not a betrayal, there will be a betrayal when these planes end up in Ukraine - “to offset” payments for the Rafales...
    1. -2
      April 16 2024 09: 55
      There will be a betrayal when these planes end up in Ukraine - “to offset” payments for the Rafales...

      + 100!
  15. +1
    April 16 2024 06: 44
    If you are a Russian, there is nothing to cheer about the Serbian Rafael deal. Strategically it is not a good news for Russia. The influence of NATO or any other western nation, starts step by step.

    Through Rafael, NATO can bribe the entire Serbian cabinet of ministers. Corruption starts step by step.

    The Avionic software used in every western aircrafts are proprietary. It includes backdoors (softwares as well as hardwares) for later manipulations. NATO always put conditions for the supply of spare parts and ammunition fitted on an aircraft manufactured in a NATO nation.

    Example: India
    Western nations heavily bribed Indian authorities for getting valuable military contracts. Russian companies were cornered in India. Until 2014, India was a moderately corrupt country. In 2024, India became the most corrupt country in the world. This was the outcome of the western influence. In 2024, even medicines manufactured in India are not reliable. The 1% of elites grabbed neary 60+% of Indias wealth.

    Because of only 2 French companies (Arianespace and Rafael), Russia lost dozens of contracts in India, worth billions.

    (a) Arianespace sabotaged the billion dollar Russia - India cryogenic engine projects.
    (B) Rafael sabotaged the billion dollar FGFA project.
  16. +10
    April 16 2024 06: 49
    I noticed this. Most of the comments are collected by controversial publications written by frankly incompetent authors. However, there are not many competent comments on such articles.
    1. +6
      April 16 2024 10: 02
      The readership has changed noticeably. Perhaps this is an editorial policy.
      1. +3
        April 16 2024 12: 22
        The readership has changed noticeably. Perhaps this is the policy.

        the policy is to connect the maximum number of bots to simulate a discussion and increase the attendance rating...
    2. +5
      April 16 2024 13: 32
      Most of the comments are collected by controversial publications written by frankly incompetent authors.

      This is a classic clickbait - not to provide comprehensive information, but to attract the maximum number of users to visit the page with the material. Teasers are used - sensational headlines or attractive pictures to increase the number of clicks. The method migrated from the yellow press and works flawlessly.
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  18. -2
    April 16 2024 07: 22
    Do the Serbs understand that their planes will either be immediately destroyed on the ground or they won’t be able to take off if they want to do something across Europe and specifically what France wants to do?
    so buying these planes is a waste of money, they would have bought from China then
  19. +1
    April 16 2024 07: 50
    The Serbs were cut off from the sea for this reason, in order to make them insolvent; a lot has been said about this for a long time in the West. Our people don’t really understand what’s going on there, but there the country is specifically strangled.
    1. 0
      April 16 2024 09: 54
      there the country is strangled specifically

      It is so strangled that there is “visa-free” access to almost all of Europe... Instead of “strangled,” I would say “bought.”
    2. +5
      April 16 2024 10: 00
      Serbia lost access to the sea after Montenegro separated from the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro in 2006.
      1. 0
        April 16 2024 17: 12
        Russia tried to connect with Montenegro through big investments there (from which a lot of locals received a lot of money, like a lot), there were plans to invest in industry too, Montenegro even received offer to lease the port of Bar to Russia for hefty sum. That was a signal for the West and local president (he ruled for 30 years) took an opportunity overnight and signed access to NATO, and Montenegro became a part of collective NATO hive in express fashion. After that started a even stronger political pressure on everyone that declared as Serbian and on Serbian Orthodox church, and Montenegro moved away from Serbia while still having very large population that supports Serbia or they live in Serbia. But politically everything is resolved in that matter I would say. The thing is that as in Serbia, in Montenegro too there is a crucial part of nationalist orthodox Serbs or Serbian oriented Montenegrins , that are not in piece with everything that is happening, and that is factor to fear in region as it was shown during public Lithia in Montenegro in 2020
  20. +2
    April 16 2024 08: 22
    It’s okay to deliver the planes, they still need to be produced, but our production facilities are busy producing products for our market, and even then there’s not enough.
  21. -5
    April 16 2024 08: 38
    More like stupidity and a waste of money. Who does Serbia need these planes against? Against NATO countries? They'll devour you. Morget against Kosovo? They will eat them again, and they are not needed.
  22. +2
    April 16 2024 09: 07
    So, the question is: why don’t the Serbs stop fooling around and buy, say, our Su-35SE, which are head and shoulders better than the Rafales? Yes, compared to the MiG-29, consider that you will have to master everything all over again, the aircraft is really of a different generation, but still Russian technology is very different from French. For the better.
    I would like more detail on this topic. Otherwise, Rafali bypassed our Sushki, and already, with actual contracts in hand, in Indonesia and Egypt. Everything is fine with access to ports
  23. -7
    April 16 2024 09: 17
    Did I miss something and is Austria already in NATO? As far as I know, when the Allied troops were withdrawn from Austria in the 50s, Austria kicked itself in the chest and made written commitments to a strictly neutral status. And as for French combat aviation, ask Hussein, who had all his planes disabled by these French roosters at the beginning of the war... And in general, as the experience of Vietnam testifies, manned aviation does not pay for itself, unlike air defense and UAVs
  24. +5
    April 16 2024 09: 37
    Serbia buys 12 Rafale fighters. The same ones that Croatia bought a little earlier, for about the same cost: about three billion dollars.

    The Croats bought Rafales for one billion euros (that is, 83 million apiece), the same 12 pieces.
    The Serbs bought for $250 million apiece (for comparison, India bought for 216 million apiece)
    Far from being “for about the same cost.”
    But for now, Kosovo’s status is approximately the same as that of Abkhazia.

    Abkhazia was recognized by 5 UN member states.
    In addition to Russia, these are Syria, Nauru, Venezuela and Nicaragua.
    Kosovo is recognized by about a hundred states, including most of Europe, the USA and Canada.
    States such as Nauru, Sierra Leone, Lesotho, Sao Tome and Principe, Comoros and similar ones refused recognition.
    Now there is a question about Kosovo's admission to the EU.
  25. -5
    April 16 2024 09: 51
    why don’t the Serbs stop fooling around and buy, say, our Su-35SE, which are head and shoulders better than the Rafales?

    Serbia joined the European sodom (European Union) without 5 minutes. Buying weapons from those who bombed you 25 years ago is a symbolic act of loyalty to future owners.
    By and large, the army has not been needed in the European Union for a long time (we will not consider horror stories about the “aggression” of a large northern country), therefore, apart from the economic component of the profit of military corporations, there is no point in airplanes.
  26. 0
    April 16 2024 10: 22
    They apparently need the planes to use NATO weapons and to participate in NATO exercises for show.
    European technology is not the same as ours, which our pilots chase in the tail and mane, plus there is feedback from the factories
    Our technology will be no worse, it’s just not integrated into NATO systems
  27. -3
    April 16 2024 10: 30
    All these brothers destroyed the empire, lived without grieving, paid tribute to the Ottomans, preserved the faith, and as the owner weakened from the war on many fronts, they began to shout “Russia, help!” or “Russia, help!” And when it was necessary to help in return, it was not, either with the Nazis, or the Nazis themselves. And to say that the people are not to blame, it’s all the authorities, is self-deception. There seems to be democracy there, the people choose.
  28. 0
    April 16 2024 10: 46
    Now we need the Su-35 ourselves: after all, it’s war...
  29. +2
    April 16 2024 10: 55
    For Serbia, which mainly operates with Russian weapons, the step seems to be quite strange, and the editorial office received several articles from “angry patriots.” Actually, the Internet is full of this: “there was no point in harnessing them,” “traitors,” “the same brothers,” and so on.

    And if Serbia bought the Su-35, then the editorial office would also receive several articles from “angry patriots” - “weapons are needed at the front”, “they were taken away from the Air Force”, “they are selling off the Motherland”, etc.
  30. 0
    April 16 2024 10: 57
    And an important point: maybe the Serbs don’t need an aircraft the size of the Su-35, but the MiG-35 was not offered to them.
  31. -4
    April 16 2024 11: 01
    In part, this is even good, because later, during the next “friendly” maneuvers, it will be possible to touch the enemy’s equipment or understand a lot during training battles. Although, of course, it’s not worth letting anyone off the hook for our military-industrial complex
  32. -5
    April 16 2024 11: 08
    Strange conclusions of the author. Of course they will deliver along the Danube. Who will stop the Russian ship! This is a classic cause for war!
    1. +3
      April 16 2024 13: 24
      Of course they will deliver along the Danube.

      Where do they get you, such alternatively gifted people?
      The Danube flows through Germany, Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine and Moldova. Where will you load?
      1. -1
        April 28 2024 22: 43
        The Danube does not flow through the territory, but the territories adjoin it. It itself is an international route, free for navigation. So who can stop a Russian ship in international waters? Will they give a classic casus belli? They will load in Reni and Izmail. Soon they will be friendly, or even completely Russian.
        1. 0
          April 28 2024 23: 14
          Delirium oneiroideum - (from the Greek oneiros - sleep, dream). Delirium, characterized by dreamlike stage hallucinations with fantastic content. Contact a specialized specialist immediately.
          1. -1
            April 28 2024 23: 16
            Decembrist Wait, see
            ................................. wink
  33. +4
    April 16 2024 11: 28
    There was such an author - Damantsev. You could immediately recognize it by the word. But he at least wrote on military-technical topics. Skomorokhov is also recognizable, but primarily, as a colleague mentioned earlier - by water and by emotions. And it would be okay - emotions. Roman - well, you can’t be an expert on absolutely everything. Stop! :))
  34. +4
    April 16 2024 11: 34
    Well, finally, even Skomorokhov bothered to tell the truth about how Western sanctions eventually stopped all exports of military equipment from the Russian Federation.
  35. +5
    April 16 2024 11: 51
    Serbia, a friend-ally in Europe, is probably one of the last, and suddenly makes such a feat by buying French Rafales.
    - maybe Monsieur Skomorokhov will explain in what place Serbia is our ally in Europe, and what its value is, and what is the betrayal here? Maybe Monsieur Skomorokhov will personally offer Serbia Su-35S ready for export instead of French fighters?
    1. +5
      April 16 2024 13: 06
      Maybe Monsieur Skomorokhov will explain in what place Serbia is our ally in Europe, and what its value is, and what is the betrayal here? Maybe Monsieur Skomorokhov will personally offer Serbia Su-35S ready for export instead of French fighters?

      This is a low blow! It's not fair!
      1. +3
        April 16 2024 17: 29
        In response to such a provocation, you can do it below the belt.
  36. +1
    April 16 2024 12: 14
    The attempt, of course, is good, but it is not defended. Let's honestly say that if geography plays a role in this decision, it is clearly not the first one, as the author passionately desires. It’s just that Vucic is in his repertoire with “jogging between the drops” - and it seems like integration with Europe, and cutting money off, and it’s like he’s not to blame for us.
    Indeed, it is not known for certain what options were being worked out in relation to our products, and whether they were being worked out at all, but contrary to the opinion of the author, there are options - both the supply of kits by civilian aircraft with subsequent assembly, and the purchase of the same “truly Indian” MKIs, in general, as experience shows - it was If you wish, there will be options.
    And the Serbs can wait - let’s be honest, both MiGs and Rafaellos in such numbers are about equally useless in terms of a conflict with someone, especially if this conflict is not visible on the horizon even in theory.
    And so we have a completely new machine for which to retrain everyone, both in the sky and on the ground, for which to create a mat base and purchase weapons, and at the end it is not clear what will happen, because paddling pools, as the author rightly noted - to avoid, a normal configuration will be clamped. But, as all politicians like, it will be long, long and expensive, so everyone will be able to warm up
  37. +1
    April 16 2024 14: 13
    Is Rafale a betrayal or a necessary measure for Serbia?

    If Serbia transfers these planes to Ukraine, then it will definitely be a betrayal, but the issue is moot.
    1. +4
      April 16 2024 19: 11
      You didn't express yourself entirely accurately. Rafali Vucic bought it for his army to get rid of old MiG-29s. Which may one day accidentally “fly” to Ukraine.
      But Sasha, as always, will brush it off.
  38. -7
    April 16 2024 15: 58
    Well, good... Our specialists in Rafales are tinkering... Look, some kind of Rafale will be taken to us in disassembled form)))
    1. +4
      April 16 2024 17: 45
      Well, good... Our specialists in Rafale are digging...

      yes, yes, we regularly hear these pseudo-patriotic tales, if you believe them, then the specialists were “poking around” with Caesars, Reapers, leopards, Chimeras and so on... the result: “as usual”
      1. -2
        April 17 2024 00: 55
        Do you know what they “picked up” there? Did they report to you?
        And I'm not talking about patriotism. If you don’t understand the irony... Although, who knows... Maybe they’ll dig deeper... So far, not a single Rafik has arrived in Serbia
  39. +3
    April 16 2024 16: 27
    The justification for the impossibility of supplying weapons to Serbia is so-so - something always gets in the way of a bad dancer.
  40. 0
    April 16 2024 17: 47
    29 is rubbish and Rafali is not rubbish? - And what will 12 airplanes give Serbia?
  41. -3
    April 16 2024 17: 55
    The repaired MiGs somehow flew to Serbia, and the Su-35, if desired, could do the same.
  42. 0
    April 16 2024 19: 19
  43. -1
    April 16 2024 19: 28
    Indeed: “Russia has only two allies: its Army and Navy!” soldier hi
  44. -3
    April 16 2024 20: 52
    Raphael is also from the last century, from the eighties
  45. 0
    April 16 2024 22: 43
    Let's "tame" emotions and try to "turn on" common sense... Serbia is in a double ring: EU + NATO... Any attempt to supply goods there with a hint of dual purpose is nipped in the bud. And military equipment from Russia is simply not available to them... China was able to supply air defense systems due to the absence, in relation to it, of any sanctions restrictions at that time, which cannot be said about the Russian “Oboronexport” in the direction of Serbia , at that time... Serbia would be ready to acquire Russian weapons, but logistics are against Serbia... France has its own “views” on the Balkans and, in particular, on Serbia, and there are no sanctions restrictions on the sale of weapons and military equipment. .. Moreover, for France, in current times, its economy in general, and the military-industrial complex, in particular, in its image “part”, difficult times are dragging on, after the “mistral” epic, a complete “bummer” with the construction of nuclear submarines for Australia and limited by the Indian authorities, the supply of Rafales to India... But I want and need to make money... In such a situation, Serbia, in the French military-industrial complex, will be happy...
  46. -1
    April 17 2024 08: 38
    Serbia is not the DPRK, there is no such spirit and unity among the population, another ten years will pass and the younger generation will forget how NATO bombed Yugoslavia and destroyed the country.
  47. 0
    April 17 2024 09: 12
    "Is Rafale a betrayal or a necessary measure for Serbia?"
    Forced betrayal.
  48. 0
    April 17 2024 11: 42
    Los serbios aún recuerdan como Rusia los abandonó a su suerte durante la agresión de la OTAN en 1999.
    Todavía es incomprensible la ceguera rusa en aquellos días, ya que la destrucción de lo que quedó de la antigua Yugoslavia fue la remoción de uno de los obstáculos más importantes de los que dificultaban la expansión de la OTAN hasta las fronteras de la Federació n Rusa.
    De aquellos polvos, proceden estos lodos.
  49. -1
    April 17 2024 20: 46
    Belgrade wanted the Rafale even before the Rafale itself appeared.
  50. 0
    April 17 2024 20: 47
    I am one of those whom Roman called “stupid people who live by emotions.” I, unlike sources unnamed by the author who live in Serbia, did not just live there. I worked for many years and interacted with senior and senior officers. Many events unfolded before my eyes, I can share something. Soon after the bombing, the Liberal Democrats who came to power set a course for the EU. NATO was also implied, but this was not a trend then. More precisely, they didn’t say it, but they did it. Joining the Partnership for Peace program, reduction (more precisely, liquidation of the Armed Forces), and servility. Even a new military uniform for Serbia was developed by NATO. About the exercises - Roman is not aware that over 100 (one hundred) joint events with NATO are held annually. But they refused to conduct exercises with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus in Belgrade. About the Rafale... Who is Serbia going to fight with? And where did she get as much as 3 billion euros for 12 aircraft? The answer is simple - this is Russian money that Vucic saved on preferential contracts. Is it impossible to supply Russian equipment? There is a Chinese one, three times cheaper than the French one and not much inferior to it. If at all inferior. Roman repeated Vucic’s arguments word for word. Kosovo has already been admitted to the Council of Europe. And Serbia is already hanging by a thread in terms of relations with the Russian Federation. The West will cut this thread in the very near future. And calling Dodik a chauvinist is definitely not very smart.
  51. -3
    April 17 2024 22: 09
    author, why are you trashing Dodik? Your mother is a driver.

    And Vucic is a traitor, it’s better to sit without weapons than with Rafales, which will be turned off in case of war. The money will remain in your pocket.
  52. 0
    April 19 2024 15: 14
    And yet the main reason for buying Rafales is Meteor
  53. +1
    April 19 2024 22: 42
    We look at the patchwork quilt left from the former Yugoslavia and understand that if we buy Su-35s, there is no way to deliver them to Serbia.


    The entire article could fit into the designated two lines.
  54. 0
    April 20 2024 01: 19
    money from partners is good, but in Ukraine they don’t fight with money

    Any protracted war is won by money and economics.
  55. 0
    April 20 2024 09: 32
    The author's logic is ironclad. Without any technical details, the conclusion is made that the Mig-29 is junk aircraft, as it is from the last century. We must assume that the basis of the US Air Force F-16, F-15 from the same century, is also junk aircraft. Rafal, by the way, is also from the last century, but for some reason it’s not aircraft junk. In fact, it is possible to establish what aircraft are junk and what is not by conducting training battles between the modernized Mig-29 and Serbian Rafales. And I very much doubt that the Rafales will win.
  56. 0
    April 22 2024 15: 11
    Forced betrayal.
  57. 0
    April 23 2024 17: 59
    Young people will not wash plates in Chinese restaurants. And to be able to legally look for a good job, the country must be in the European Union