Chinese carrier-based fighters

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Chinese carrier-based fighters

In terms of the pace of construction of warships, China is currently ahead of all other countries, and, according to the views of the PLA Navy command, aircraft carriers in the future should radically increase the strike capabilities of the Chinese fleet and ensure the combat stability of naval groups operating in the oceans far from their shores.

Back in the first half of the 1990s, the Chinese top military-political leadership came to the conclusion that it was necessary to have aircraft carriers in service. Since there was no experience in the design and construction of aircraft carriers in the PRC, decommissioned aircraft-carrying cruisers Project 1143 “Kyiv” and Project 1143.2 “Minsk” were bought in Russia for study.



Aircraft carriers of the PLA Navy


A very successful acquisition in April 1998 was the unfinished aircraft-carrying cruiser Project 1143.6 “Varyag”, for which China paid Ukraine a ridiculous sum of $50 million for such a ship with a displacement of more than 25 thousand tons. According to expert estimates, the level of technical readiness of the aircraft carrier at that time was more than 70%.

Chinese officials initially said the unfinished aircraft carrier would become a floating entertainment center with a casino. The ship arrived in China on March 3, 2002 and was placed in dry dock at the Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company in Dalian.

The aircraft-carrying cruiser laid down in the USSR underwent a thorough revision, after which a decision was made to complete construction according to a modified design. During construction, heavy missile launchers were cut off from the ship, which made it possible to use the freed volumes for other purposes. Changes were made to air defense systems, radio and navigation equipment. At the beginning of 2011, it became known that China had completed the completion and modernization of the ship, and sea trials had already begun in August.


On September 25, 2012, a solemn ceremony of accepting the Type 001 Liaoning aircraft carrier with tail number “16” into the PLA Navy took place in the port of Dalian.

The ship's standard displacement is 55 thousand tons, the total displacement is a little over 70 thousand tons. Length – 304,5 m. Flight deck width – 70 m. Draft – 10,5 m. Four power plants with a capacity of 50 liters. With. provide a maximum speed of 000 knots. The cruising range at an economical 32-knot speed is 18 nautical miles. Crew – 8 people.

To provide close-range air defense, there are three 30-mm Type 1130 air defense systems and three 18-round HHQ-1 air defense missile launchers. Anti-submarine defense, in addition to helicopters, is provided by two 12-round PU PLUR. The aviation wing can include up to 36 aircraft: J-15 carrier-based fighters, Z-18 and Z-9 helicopters, and in the future KJ-600 AWACS aircraft.


Like the Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser of Project 1143.5 “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov,” the first Chinese aircraft carrier does not have an ejection device for launching aircraft, and takeoff takes place using a ski-jump.

In December 2016, the first large-scale exercises took place in the Yellow Sea, in which a naval group led by a Chinese aircraft carrier was involved. During the exercises, actions were practiced to repel enemy strike attacks aviation.

After this, the Liaoning appeared in the central waters of the East China Sea and, following the Miyako Strait, entered the western part of the Pacific Ocean. In January 2017, an aviation group from the Liaoning conducted night takeoff and landing training in the South China Sea. On January 12, 2017, a Chinese aircraft carrier passed through the Formosa Strait, which caused widespread resonance in Taiwan.


At the beginning of 2021, the Liaoning carrier group sailed to the Spratly Islands, conducting exercises in the Philippine Sea along the way. In the South China Sea, an American AUG led by the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt and an expeditionary group led by a Wasp-class landing ship advanced towards the ships of the PLA Navy.

As American F-18 fighters approached, a flight of J-15s rose from the deck of the Liaoning, located east of Hainan Island. Soon, 25 aircraft took off from Hainan to join the exercises: KJ-500 AWACS aircraft, H-6J missile carriers, Y-8Q anti-submarine aircraft and J-11B fighters. At the same time, H-6Js, under the cover of J-11B and J-15 fighters, simulated attacks with anti-ship missiles on an American warrant. After the US Navy group left the area, the aircraft carrier Liaoning and escort ships visited the disputed islands in the South China Sea.

During the 2021 exercise, the PLA Navy carrier group included a Type 055 guided-missile destroyer, two Type 052D destroyers, a Type 054A frigate, and a Type 901 integrated supply ship capable of carrying 25 tons of fuel and other cargo.

The first Chinese aircraft carrier became part of the Northern Fleet of the PLA Navy, whose immediate area of ​​responsibility is the Yellow Sea and Bohai Gulf. The fleet headquarters is located in Qingdao.


Google Earth satellite image: the Liaoning aircraft carrier at the pier of the Qingdao naval base

The aircraft carrier's parking lot is located in Ligen Wan Bay, located 40 km south of the city of Qingdao. Some destroyers and escort frigates, as well as supply ships, are also based here.


Google Earth satellite image of the aircraft carrier Liaoning and a Type 901 supply ship near the wall of the Dalian shipyard, taken in January 2024

Currently, Liaoning is undergoing repairs and modernization in Dalian. During the work, in addition to replacing worn-out components, the ship will receive new radio-electronic equipment.

In November 2013, another aircraft carrier of the Type 002 project (tail number “17”), named “Shandong,” was laid down at the shipyard in Dalian. The ship was launched in April 2017, becoming the first aircraft carrier built entirely in China. Construction costs are estimated at $4,5 billion.

It is believed that the Shandong, like the Liaoning, is equipped with liquid fuel boilers that drive steam turbines with a total capacity of 50 liters. With. The second Chinese aircraft carrier has approximately the same dimensions, displacement, range and speed and the same composition of the aviation wing.


However, there are a number of significant differences.

Thus, the takeoff ramp of the Type 002 aircraft carrier has an angle of 12,0° instead of 14,0° on the Liaoning, which is considered optimal for the takeoff of the J-15 fighter. By rearranging the superstructure, space was freed up to allow an increase in the number of aircraft on deck. Improved visibility from mission control.

On the outer surfaces of the “island” there are four antennas with an AFAR of the improved Type 346A S-band radar. The Shandong is also equipped with a powerful active electronic jamming station designed to counter enemy communications, radars, navigation systems and guidance of guided weapons.


Sea trials of the aircraft carrier on the high seas began in August 2018. At the same time, a model of the J-15 fighter was installed on the upper deck. In February 2019, the transfer of fuel and supplies from the Type 901 supply vessel while underway was completed. In May, the J-15 fighter took off and landed on the deck.

In November of the same year, an aircraft carrier force consisting of Shandong, destroyers, frigates, nuclear submarines and support ships conducted exercises in the South China Sea. After this, the aircraft carrier visited the Sanya naval base, and on December 26, 2019, proceeded through the Formosa Strait to the shipyard in Dalian for maintenance.


Google Earth satellite image: the Shandong aircraft carrier near the wall of the shipyard in Dalian, the image was taken in April 2020

The home port of the Shandong aircraft carrier is the Sanya naval base on Hainan Island, which is under the control of the Southern Fleet.

By examining publicly available satellite images, we can come to the conclusion that an aircraft carrier with tail number “17” goes to sea much more often than a ship of a similar class with tail number “16.” Chinese observers write that this is explained by the fact that the Liaoning is largely a training and experimental ship, on which various new items were tested and the necessary amount of knowledge was collected. In turn, “Shandong” became a full-fledged combat unit, on which the identified defects that interfered with full operation and combat service were largely eliminated.


Satellite image of Google Earth: the aircraft carrier "Shandong" in the parking lot of the Sanya naval base, on the deck there are J-15 fighters with weapons on external slings

Satellite images show that, unlike the Liaoning, the Shandong constantly carries carrier-based fighters. Western experts believe that one of the main tasks of the carrier wing is to cover the SSBN Project 094, which are also based in Hainan.

In 2018, construction began on the second-generation Chinese aircraft carrier Type 003 Fujian. The ship was launched on June 17, 2022.

The ship's total displacement can reach 85 thousand tons. According to estimates, its length can be 320 m and its width 76 m. From previous projects, Fujian inherited a non-nuclear power plant (8 supercharged boilers and 4 steam turbines).

The new aircraft carrier has a flat flight deck and has abandoned the ski jump. Instead, three electromagnetic catapults are installed. The length of the catapult channels is approximately 105 m. The presence of such catapults will significantly increase the take-off weight of launched aircraft, which will have a positive effect on their combat load and time in the air.

The air wing may have more than 60 fixed-wing aircraft, helicopters and mid-range UAVs. The main striking force should be the new J-15T and J-35 (FC-31 Falcon) fighters, up to 40 units. Also on board the aircraft carrier can be based search and rescue helicopters Z-20KS and anti-submarine Z-20F.

The naval helicopters of the Z-20 family are largely copied from the American SH-60 Seahawk and have a folding main rotor. These helicopters, recently adopted by the PLA Navy, are expected to replace the larger Z-18s on the decks of aircraft carriers.

Air defense systems are represented by four FL-3000N air defense systems and four 30-mm Type 1130 artillery mounts. Air and surface space control is planned to be carried out using two radars with AFAR.

The completion of the afloat aircraft carrier Fujian is being carried out at the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai, which is part of the state-owned China State Shipbuilding Corporation.


Google Earth satellite image: the Fujian aircraft carrier at the outfitting wall of the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai

Naval analysts believe that the Fujian could be transferred to the PLA Navy in 2025.

In the future, the construction of another aircraft carrier based on the improved Type 004 project is expected. But it, apparently, will begin only after comprehensive tests of the Fujian, during which they will try to identify its main shortcomings.

Materials in the open Chinese press say that the displacement of this ship will be about 100 thousand tons, and it will be able to accommodate more than 80 airplanes and helicopters. The nuclear power plant will provide a speed of more than 30 knots and an unlimited range. Assembly of the new aircraft carrier's hull is expected to begin at the Jiangnan Shipyard in the near future.

Carrier-based fighters of the J-15 family


When starting the construction of their first aircraft carrier, the Chinese planned to purchase Su-33 carrier-based fighters from Russia. However, during the negotiations, the number of purchased aircraft was reduced from 50 to 2, after which it became quite obvious that China wanted to unauthorizedly copy these aircraft without paying for a license, and the Russian side abandoned the deal.

A solution was soon found in the form of purchasing a T-10K-3 aircraft from Ukraine, which was the third prototype of the Su-33. Having an experienced carrier-based fighter and part of the design documentation, Chinese specialists developed a fighter very close to the Su-33.

According to Chinese data, the maximum take-off weight of the J-15 reaches 32,5 tons. But a plane with such weight cannot take off from an aircraft carrier without a catapult. A safe takeoff with a short takeoff run using a ski-jump is possible with a weight of about 27 tons.

The first J-15s were powered by Russian-made AL-31F3 engines. Some of the later carrier-based fighters are equipped with Chinese WS-10 engines, which have slightly higher thrust during emergency takeoff. The maximum speed at altitude is 2 km/h. Ferry range – up to 360 km. Combat radius – up to 3 km.

The J-15 appeared much later, and its avionics are more advanced than those of the Su-33. The fighter is armed with a built-in 30 mm cannon with 150 rounds of ammunition. Twelve external hardpoints can accommodate a combat load weighing up to 6 kg. Including: free-falling and guided bombs, NAR, YJ-500K and YJ-83 anti-ship missiles, KD91 air-to-surface guided missiles and LD-88 anti-radar missiles.


The PL-9 and PL-10 missile launchers are designed to destroy an airborne enemy in close combat; the PL-12 missile launcher is available for medium distances. In terms of its ability to combat surface and ground targets, the J-15 is many times superior to the Su-33.

Taking into account the fact that the Shenyang Aircraft Industry Group in Shenyang successfully mastered the production of structurally and technologically similar J-11 fighters, the assembly of the J-15 was quickly established, and the first aircraft took off in August 2009. On November 23, 2012, the J-15 successfully completed takeoff and landing tests on the Liaoning aircraft carrier.


As of September 20, 2013, seven flying J-15 prototypes have been built. In December 2013, the J-15 carrier-based fighter was adopted by the PLA Navy. In October 2017, the air wing of the Liaoning aircraft carrier was equipped with 24 J-15 fighters.


In November 2012, flight tests of the two-seat combat trainer J-15S began. From the very beginning, the aircraft was equipped with Chinese WS-10 engines and had equipment for refueling and transferring fuel in the air.


The Sparka has flight characteristics close to those of a single-seat vehicle, the same composition of avionics and weapons, but the flight range is somewhat shorter.

Based on the two-seat J-15S fighter, the J-15D carrier-based electronic warfare aircraft was created.


There is little information about this aircraft. It is known that a passive forward-looking thermal imaging system and a built-in 30-mm cannon were removed from the vehicle, intended for group cover of carrier-based aircraft.

Today, the most advanced modification in the Chinese family of carrier-based fighters, descending from the Su-33, is the J-15T, which made its first flight in July 2016. Already in November 2016, this aircraft was launched using a ground-based electromagnetic catapult. The fighter is believed to be intended for deployment on the Type 003 and Type 004 aircraft carriers. Official photographs of the J-15T were first unveiled on December 17, 2021.


The main external difference between the J-15T and the operational J-15s based on the Type 001 and Type 002 ships is the modified shape of the wing tips and a different front landing gear, adapted for a catapult. The aircraft uses more powerful Chinese WS-10C engines with a maximum thrust of up to 147 kN.

The avionics have undergone a significant update. Without disclosing details, Chinese media say that the J-15T has a new powerful radar with AFAR, as well as an advanced fire control system combined with an advanced adaptive information display system. There were more composites in the airframe design, which made the aircraft lighter and reduced radar signature. The volume of internal fuel tanks also became larger, which increased the flight range.

In terms of its characteristics, the J-15T may be the most advanced carrier-based fighter designed to gain air superiority and provide air defense to a naval group.


As of the end of 2021, more than 65 single-seat and two-seat J-15 fighters had been built along with development prototypes.

At the airfield, located near the city of Xingcheng in Liaoning province, a take-off and landing complex was built, similar in purpose to the Russian Nitka complex at the Saki airbase in Crimea.


Google Earth satellite image: Xingcheng Air Base

At the Xingcheng base there are two runways with ski-jumps and aerial arrester units that simulate the conditions for take-off and landing on the deck of the Liaoning and Shandong aircraft carriers.


Google Earth satellite image: J-15 fighters at Xingcheng Air Base

According to some reports, an experimental electromagnetic catapult began operating here in 2016. The Huludao naval training ground in Liaoning province is also used for carrier-based aviation.

Carrier-based fighter J-35


The first Chinese aircraft carriers, basically repeating the Soviet project 1143.6, are relatively small for warships of this class, which makes it difficult to accommodate large enough J-15 fighters on them.


In this regard, even before the launch of the Liaoning aircraft carrier, the Shenyang Aircraft Industry Group aircraft manufacturing corporation began to create a smaller carrier-based fighter, which was supposed to correspond to the American F-35 Lightning II.

The new generation carrier-based aircraft should become a “universal soldier”, capable of conducting close-in air combat and interception, but mainly focused on strike functions. Particular emphasis was placed on reducing radar signature, high pilot information awareness and an expanded set of weapons.

Research work on this project is being conducted at the Yanlan Flight Research Center, which uses the runway of the Xi'an Aircraft Company (XAC) aircraft factory in the vicinity of Xi'an, Shenxi Province. However, due to the high level of secrecy, immediately after testing, prototypes were removed to hangars, and they could not be found on publicly available satellite images.

The first flight of the prototype took place in October 2012, but the aircraft is still being fine-tuned. The prototype, known as the FC-31 Falcon, was displayed at the 2014 Zhuhai Air Show.


The first copy (FC-31 1.0) was intended to test layout and aerodynamic solutions, was equipped with two Russian-made RD-93 engines and had a simplified avionics.

The intermediate prototype aircraft (FC-31 2.0), which appeared at the end of 2016, had numerous changes in the equipment and airframe. The most noticeable external difference was the modified shape of the tail. According to unconfirmed information, this example used WS-13 turbofan engines, which smoked heavily with a sharp increase in thrust.


In September 2020, the third prototype took off (FC-31 3.0), which may have had an AFAR radar installed, and its engines no longer emitted black smoke.


In 2021, photographs of the Chinese equivalent of the F-35 appeared along with other aircraft on the “deck” of a model aircraft carrier made of concrete, built 20 km south of the city of Wuhan in Hubei province.


Google Earth satellite image: a concrete “aircraft carrier” in the vicinity of Wuhan

At the end of 2021, it became known about the testing of a deck version with a folding wing, a landing gear adapted for launch from a catapult, and a landing boom. The serial carrier-based version of the fighter will be designated J-35.


According to promotional materials, the maximum take-off weight of the aircraft is 28 tons, normal - 17,5 tons. The design maximum flight speed at high altitude is just over 1 km/h. Ceiling – 900 m. Combat radius without refueling – 16 km/h. With one refueling – 000 km. Combat load – up to 1 kg.


Google Earth satellite image: Type 075 helicopter carrier parked at the Sanya naval base

English-speaking experts believe that China will not stop at creating a carrier-based fighter capable of taking off from land strips or from the deck using an electromagnetic catapult.

Taking into account the presence of Type 075 helicopter carriers in the PLA Navy and the construction of new ships of this class, the appearance of modifications of the J-35 with vertical or short take-off is very likely. In this case, the capabilities of the PLA Navy in terms of air support for landings will increase significantly when conducting operations far from its shores.

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  1. +13
    April 16 2024 05: 00
    The pace of construction of aircraft carriers and improvement of carrier-based fighters in China is very impressive. Chinese carrier-based aircraft are quickly becoming a force to be reckoned with. Special thanks to the author for a well-researched article and high-quality satellite images.
    1. -2
      April 16 2024 09: 31
      The Communists of the People's Republic of China are the true successors of Lenin's work. They picked up and continued the USSR program to create socialist aircraft carrier groups. And the young builders of capitalism remained in 1991.
      1. +6
        April 16 2024 10: 26
        While one country under communist rule for 35 years was turning from a third world country into a superpower, another country under the leadership of CIA agents, embezzlers and saboteurs was turning from a superpower into a third world country, mired in internecine wars.
        On the one hand there is anger and on the other there is envy for a country that is lucky with its leadership.
      2. 0
        April 16 2024 21: 33
        You are so wrong, trading partner and that’s it. Even if they existed and lived according to Lenin, they obviously would not have built aircraft carriers.
  2. +11
    April 16 2024 06: 16
    hi
    As always, an interesting article!
    In November 2012, flight tests of the two-seat combat trainer J-15S began. From the very beginning, the aircraft was equipped with Chinese WS-10 engines and had equipment for refueling and transferring fuel in the air.

    It was always interesting how China was going to support carrier-based aircraft operations. Apparently, they will do without specialized tankers on the aircraft carrier. Or some of the Yu20 tankers will be subordinated to the fleet.

    PS. The illustrations for the article are impressive.
    1. +4
      April 16 2024 10: 47
      Quote: Wildcat
      It was always interesting how China was going to support carrier-based aircraft operations. Apparently, they will do without specialized tankers on the aircraft carrier.

      Most likely, in the same way as the USN - the same fighters with PTB and UPAZ will act as tankers.
      This is the eternal problem of a carrier-based air wing. On the one hand, the wing needs tankers to meet the enemy beyond the radius of heavy anti-ship missiles. On the other hand, each tanker takes up space from the striker, becoming a useless load when working at medium ranges.
      1. +1
        April 17 2024 12: 51
        IMHO, a dedicated tanker (deck and base) is still a more reasonable solution than a fighter/strike aircraft in the role of a flying tanker.

        Here is one opinion from June 18, 2020 (without taking into account the currently flying Stingray): “...The Navy is experiencing difficulties with in-flight refueling and some time ago made the incredibly stupid decision to use its newest, most powerful front-line tanker as a tanker.” strike fighter. This decision resulted in several F-18E/Fs in each air wing being withdrawn from combat service, and the aircraft was prematurely worn out due to a significant increase in tanker flight hours.
        ....the Super Hornet is mentioned to be capable of carrying about 29 pounds of fuel, but that includes both internal fuel and all five external fuel tanks. In real-world conditions, the Hornet cannot deliver all of its internal fuel, and the Navy no longer operates the Hornet with all five fuel tanks due to increased load and wear on the aircraft. Thus, the actual fuel supply is significantly less.
        25 to 30 percent of Super Hornet missions are used for refueling (4)
        The Hornet's aerial refueling system includes a 330-gallon external tank with a centerline hose reel, plus four 480-gallon external tanks and internal tanks for a total of 29 pounds of fuel on the aircraft, however the Navy had to reduce the number of external fuel tanks The tanks perform a refueling function due to excessive airframe wear (000), which reduces the fuel supplied, which in turn requires more Super Hornets to be used as tankers to dispense the same amount of fuel." https://navy-matters. blogspot.com/6/2020/navy-aerial-refueling.html
        1. +1
          April 18 2024 10: 14
          Quote: Wildcat
          IMHO, a dedicated tanker (deck and base) is still a more reasonable solution than a fighter/strike aircraft in the role of a flying tanker.

          Well then, we need to revive the KA-6D - PMSM, the optimal speed, dimensions and payload for a deck tanker. smile
          You can, of course, make a tanker from something like a Viking, but problems immediately begin with low cruising speed, the need to bring the tanker to the refueling zone in advance and cover this zone.
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            April 18 2024 12: 18
            If I understand correctly, the Intruder tankers were decommissioned due to resource problems. And the author of the quoted article just believed that there are Vikings in reserve, with half the resource - so they need to be converted into tankers.
            But now there is a solution in the form of Stingray, so the issue with deck tankers, IMHO, is closed.
            In China, it seems that no work is currently being carried out on carrier-based ASW aircraft/tankers/supply aircraft. Perhaps because in the “first of three zones” (Taiwan) they hope for the support of the ground air force. But, most likely, they simply “can’t get enough” of support aircraft.
            1. +1
              April 18 2024 15: 39
              Quote: Wildcat
              If I understand correctly, the Intruder tankers were decommissioned due to resource problems.

              Well, yes. They were driven tail and mane for any long flight. And due to the small number of working boards, they practiced transferring boards between aircraft - from those who had completed the DB to those preparing to enter the DB. That is, the entire wing sits quietly on the shore, repairing the sides and maintaining class - and its tankers plow day and night on someone else’s deck.
              Quote: Wildcat
              And the author of the quoted article just believed that there are Vikings in reserve, with half the resource - so they need to be converted into tankers.

              EMNIP, the Vikings have worse weight recoil than the KA-6D. Yes, and the speed let us down.
    2. +3
      April 16 2024 10: 59
      American carrier-based Superhornets can refuel other aircraft in the air. Perhaps the Chinese are following the same path
      had equipment for refueling и transferring fuel in the air
      1. +2
        April 17 2024 09: 00
        Impossible".

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbFAZloH790
        It even caused controversy because the CarLog was actually held in place with tape! At the time, this was interpreted as a form of humor: “Pay!”
    3. +3
      April 17 2024 03: 22
      Andrey, welcome!
      Quote: Wildcat
      It was always interesting how China was going to support carrier-based aircraft operations. Apparently, they will do without specialized tankers on the aircraft carrier. Or some of the Yu20 tankers will be subordinated to the fleet.

      I have my doubts regarding the new Y-20. In the fleet, converted N-6s of old modifications were used for this, fortunately, these are very durable vehicles with a long service life.

      Quote: Alexey RA
      Most likely, in the same way as the USN - the same fighters with PTB and UPAZ will act as tankers.

      The most likely option. Yes
      1. +3
        April 17 2024 09: 07
        I have my doubts regarding the new Y-20.

        Here's a video of the Y-20 refueling the J-15.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUxvpHG2ItQ
        1. +3
          April 17 2024 11: 35
          Quote from: wanna
          Here's a video of the Y-20 refueling the J-15

          My young Chinese friend, thank you very much for the video, but apparently the Y-20 was fueled by deck-mounted J-15s. On the screenshot of the video you can see fighters that do not have anti-aircraft guns. This is most likely J-11. In addition, naval aviation does not have tankers, but there were tankers at the N-6 base. For now, the few Y-20 tankers will most likely be used at the first stage to refuel PLA Air Force strike aircraft. Personally, I would plan this first.
          1. +3
            April 17 2024 11: 51
            I completely understand what you are saying and yes, the Navy does not have the YU-20, all operational aircraft are operated by the Air Force.
          2. +1
            April 17 2024 12: 01
            hi
            IMHO: The fleet, when it switches to carrier group operations on a larger scale, will require both base tankers and deck tankers/transporters/ASW. China will not be able to handle tiltrotors or Stingrays, and they are not needed. But the Chinese will make their own analogue of the multi-purpose Greyhound/Viking/Intruder.
            UPAZ on a carrier-based fighter/strike fighter is still a palliative, IMHO.
  3. +9
    April 16 2024 06: 32
    Well done Chinese! Using the experience of others, they quickly caught up and overtook the “teachers.” The teachers themselves will soon have carrier-based aircraft that will become extinct like dinosaurs. hi
  4. +2
    April 16 2024 08: 46
    To be honest, there is still some disdain for Chinese technology, which does not allow their combat vehicles to be placed on equal terms with similar machines of the West and Russia. But their progress in building a fleet and aircraft carriers is impressive and respectable good Their experience is already worthy for us to learn from.
    The Chinese automobile industry greatly surprised me with its quality, I think that their weapons are quite suitable, hence the conclusion that the PLA is an extremely dangerous adversary, including for the United States.
  5. +3
    April 16 2024 08: 54
    They make me envious just looking at the pictures of their warships.
  6. exo
    +2
    April 16 2024 09: 57
    Naming your plane J-35 is a great way to troll the Americans!
    In general, it is impossible to compare our development with China without bitterness.
  7. +2
    April 16 2024 10: 52
    A solution was soon found in the form of purchasing a T-10K-3 aircraft from Ukraine, which was the third prototype of the Su-33. Having an experienced carrier-based fighter and part of the design documentation, Chinese specialists developed a fighter very close to the Su-33.

    The Chinese themselves claim that the J-15 was built on the basis of the Chinese J-11B.
    All of these aircraft are descended from the Su-27, so their similarity is understandable.
  8. +1
    April 16 2024 10: 56
    It will be interesting to see how the Chinese will make VTOL aircraft (if they do). Before that, they used Soviet developments, taking the American structure as a basis.
    But there are no successful Soviet developments for VTOL aircraft, and American ones are, for obvious reasons, inaccessible to them.
    1. -5
      April 16 2024 12: 53
      But there are no successful Soviet developments for VTOL aircraft, and American ones are, for obvious reasons, inaccessible to them.

      Hello, we've arrived! But what about the Yak-141, which the Americans took as the basis for the development of their F-35 VTOL aircraft? Are you aware that the Yak-141 became the first 4th generation supersonic fighter in the world, although it was not brought to fruition due to the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin? Are you aware that the USSR was the world leader in VTOL aircraft?
      And yes, the Chinese will succeed, because they work and do not scratch their tongues and because they attracted our specialists who built the Yak-141, which our authorities, which demolished the Saratov aircraft plant in 2011, did not need. And out of the 30 thousand people who worked at this plant, the Chinese have already recruited those who understand how to build modern VTOL aircraft.
      The Chinese will either reproduce the Yak-141 and equip it with modern avionics, or they will follow the American path and use Yak-141 technology to create the J-35 VTOL version.
      1. +2
        April 16 2024 14: 03
        But what about the Yak-141, which the Americans took as the basis for the development of their F-35 VTOL aircraft?

        It is hardly possible to apply the word “successful” to an aircraft that crashed during testing and was not mass-produced.
        Are you aware that the Yak-141 became the first 4th generation supersonic fighter in the world

        Supersonic ones were already in the second generation. In the 4th generation, all fighters were supersonic. And the Yak-141 was clearly not the first 4th generation fighter in the world.
        And out of the 30 thousand people who worked at this plant, the Chinese have already recruited those who understand how to build modern VTOL aircraft.

        None of them have ever built modern VTOL aircraft. And especially not developed.
        1. -4
          April 16 2024 14: 25
          It is hardly possible to apply the word “successful” to an aircraft that crashed during testing and was not mass-produced.

          The MiG-29 also struggled in testing, but no one will say that the MiG-29 is an unsuccessful aircraft. It’s just that they managed to bring the MiG-29 to mind before Gorbachev’s betrayal, but the Yak-141 did not. And if the Yak-141 were bad, the Americans would not have collaborated with the Yakovlev Design Bureau, and would not have used the Yak-141 technology in the development of their F-35.
          And the Yak-141 was clearly not the first 4th generation fighter in the world.

          It was the first FOURTH GENERATION VERTICAL TAKE-OFF AND LANDING FIGHTER. AND NOT THE FIRST FIGHTER OF THE FOURTH GENERATION.
          Read carefully!
          None of them have ever built modern VTOL aircraft.

          And where was the Yak-141 built, in your reality? What if ALL YAK AIRCRAFT, INCLUDING YAK-40, YAK-42 AND YAK-38, WERE BUILT IN SARATOV?
          1. +3
            April 16 2024 14: 57
            The MiG-29 also struggled in testing, but no one will say that the MiG-29 is an unsuccessful aircraft.

            Mig-29 was mass-produced and successfully operated.
            Yak-141 - no.
            Maybe they would have brought it to fruition, but maybe, given the fact that they did it according to the scheme that was criticized back in the Yak-38, it might not. But there is no basis for the term “successful”. Never produced or used.
            Read carefully!

            And you yourself first read what you wrote.
            And where was the Yak-141 built, in your reality? What if ALL YAK AIRCRAFT, INCLUDING YAK-40, YAK-42 AND YAK-38, WERE BUILT IN SARATOV?

            The Yak-141 was not mass-produced. Yak-40 and Yak-42 are passenger aircraft. The Yak-38 cannot be called modern even with a stretch. And don't forget the time factor. Those who produced them are of retirement or pre-retirement age.
            would not have used Yak-141 technology when developing their F-35

            They didn’t use them, it’s a completely different plane with its own, original design. The Yak-141 and Model 200 are really aircraft with the same design. But the Americans abandoned it.
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              April 18 2024 04: 00
              Quote from solar
              Mig-29 was mass-produced and successfully operated.
              Yak-141 - no.

              A young man, the Yak-41 set a bunch of world records during testing and was already being prepared for the series, seats were reserved for it on all Soviet Krechet aircraft, and on the Kuznetsov they even made a special platform with gas outlets (later dismantled). And only the collapse of the USSR did not allow it to be launched into series.
              In terms of performance characteristics, it was equivalent in everything, including the combat radius, to the first versions of the F-18, which were then just beginning to enter service. In addition to the combat load, which is quite understandable for a VTOL aircraft. Nevertheless, its combat load was higher, and its combat radius was greater than that of the first versions of the MiG-29, with the same radar and armament composition.
              As for the Chinese, since the 90s they have been striving to gain access to our Yak-41 and make their own VTOL aircraft. At one of the exhibitions they managed to buy a prototype demonstrator of the R-279V-300 engine, which was being prepared for the Yak-201 (an airframe using STEALTH technology, an engine with a power of 18 kg.p., a lifting fan through a power take-off shaft). But then they were sold without a rotating nozzle. They managed to buy a separate rotary nozzle already in the 500s, separately, when we abandoned the development of Aviation and VTOL aircraft and it seemed that it was final.
              The Chinese are still working on developing the R-279V-300 under their designation, but they have problems with service life and fuel consumption at maximum thrust. But they are trying.
              As for their J-31 and J-35, this is testing a glider for VTOL aircraft. But in the absence of a ready-made engine, they installed two engines from the MiG-29 and are simply finishing the airframe as a carrier-based fighter. When the engine is ready, practical tests of the VTOL aircraft will begin. With an engine from the failed Yak-201, with a fan and a rotating nozzle, from which the roots of the F-35B grow.
              About the history of the F-35B.
              The United States has long wanted to get a VTOL aircraft, and a supersonic one at that. But their own project was unsuccessful and was abandoned. Then the pangs of creativity and sketches/drawings of “what I would like” began. I saw these sketches back in 1988 in our weekly intelligence bulletin "Aviation and Missile Technology" (this is DSP). And in those drawings with wishlists there were the first sketches of the future F-35 and F-22. Very general sketches. And they wanted a VTOL aircraft with a lifting fan and ... a rotating nozzle - which they could not achieve even theoretically.
              And then the USSR collapses, their companies gradually gain access to our closed design bureaus, and during such an excursion they see... THE ENGINE OF THEIR DREAMS. Yes, yes, the same R-279V-30. With fan via power take-off shaft and ROTARY NOZZLE. Moreover, the engine has unprecedented power - as much as 18 kg.p.
              And the drool started flowing.
              As a result, an INTERGOVERNMENTAL agreement was concluded on the business trip of specialists from the Yakovlev Design Bureau to the USA to participate in the creation of the SVVO aka the USMC.
              I talked with one of the participants in that business trip, one of the designers, who went there with his son. They then completed the work, the contract was closed, they received their bonuses and awards (he showed me a wristwatch in a gold case with an engraving from Bush (“here is a gift from Bush”). The son signed a new contract and stayed there, and he returned to Moscow ...that's where we met.
              And yes, the USA was inspired by our Yak-201 project, made using STEALTH technology, with internal weapons compartments, etc. But they made their own changes to the configuration of the air intakes.
              They tried to get the maximum out of the engine and by overpowering it they got even a little more thrust - at afterburner 19 kg.p. , but... too high a temperature on the blades led to problems with its reliability, a short actual life and a very hot torch. And yes - an attempt to make a new modification of this engine, raising the thrust to 500 kg.s. It was not successful and this idea seems to have been abandoned for now.
              What do we have?
              And right now we are successfully bench testing the new R-579V-300 engine, which has already shown a maximum afterburner thrust of 24 kg.s. instead of the calculated 000 kg.s. We are also working on VTOL aircraft. . So this topic is complex, the Americans have made a lot of mistakes and we have taken them into account. Our engine is more powerful... And yes, the lifting fan was also made by our people from the Yakovlev Design Bureau.
              So don't be arrogant.
              And the F-35 also had a problematic powertrain... for some reason it was made of... aluminum, not titanium. That is why cracks appeared and there were serious restrictions on overloads. It seems that some of these restrictions have already been lifted... but of the entire fleet of produced F-35s, only a third are in combat-ready condition. The plane was very problematic and turned out to be frankly damp.
              And even then, in the mid-00s, evil tongues said that “it was the Russian patriots who screwed the Americans by convincing them during the design that in order to make the design lighter, the power set should be made of aluminum... Well, and other bookmarks.
              They're lying.
      2. +5
        April 16 2024 14: 21
        will follow the path of the Americans and, using Yak-141 technology, will create the J-35 in the VTOL version.

        The Yak-141 and the American F-35 are two different aircraft. One is single-engine, the second is three-engine.
        The Yak-141 is rather close to the Conveyor model 200 design, which the Americans prepared under the “sea control ship” program, but ultimately abandoned this design.
        1. +2
          April 18 2024 04: 53
          Quote from solar
          One is single-engine, the second is three-engine.
          The Yak-141 is rather close to the design of the Conveyor Model 200, which the Americans were preparing under the “sea control ship” program.

          Not .
          According to the installation scheme of lifting engines, the Yak-41 repeats the scheme of the Yak-38.
          Due to delays with the lifting fan gearbox, when the engine with a rotating supersonic nozzle was already ready, it was decided to proceed according to a proven and proven scheme with lifting engines, as was already implemented on the Yak-38 and Yak-38M (aka Yak-39 ) . And this was done as a temporary measure, because the Yak-41 itself was conceived as a pure air defense fighter with air defense for our gyrfalcons. And it was decided to implement the final implementation of the engine with a lifting fan on the next aircraft, which was supposed to be an MFI with strike capabilities and an airframe made using STEALTH technology. And it was the Yak-201 in the late 90s that was supposed to become our main and most widespread VTOL aircraft. And not only for the Krechetov, but also for the UDC planned for construction and for the so-called. “mobilization aircraft carriers”, which, if necessary, were going to be equipped from tankers and dry cargo ships. The entire fleet of VTOL aircraft for mobilization aircraft carriers was going to be ready for deployment on their new carriers.
          And before the Yak-38, the scheme with two lifting engines was tested on experimental Yak-36s.
          The Yak-38 was not a bad plane, it was simply the first in its class, and they got their chops on it and gained experience in piloting such a specific aircraft. And when the Yak-38M\Yak-39 appeared, and the takeoff with mileage on the deck was also worked out (fuel savings on takeoff), it surpassed the Harrier in all respects. But it was an attack aircraft, although it was optionally armed with thermal imaging RVV MD R-60. In terms of maneuverability and overall performance characteristics, it corresponded to the MiG-21, but without supersonic speed. They planned to operate the Yak-39 together with the Yak-41 until the appearance of the Yak-201, which was supposed to replace both of its predecessors on the Krechet in the second half of the 90s. It didn't work out. But this is definitely not the fault of the plane and its designers. In terms of VTOL aircraft, we were then ahead of the rest, ahead of the United States by one and a half to two decades, which received their VTOL aircraft exclusively thanks to the official assistance of the designers of the Design Bureau named after. Yakovleva.
    2. -2
      April 16 2024 21: 36
      How is it not, if the Americans received so much information from the Yak design bureau. Why would they not have burned their Fu-35 so quickly?
      1. +3
        April 16 2024 21: 39
        There was nothing about the Yak-141 that they didn’t already know. Long before this they had a similar project, which they abandoned. The F-35 is a completely different aircraft.
        1. -1
          April 16 2024 21: 40
          Dear, but don’t you consider the path and technology?
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            April 16 2024 21: 41
            Which way, which technologies?
            1. -2
              April 16 2024 21: 42
              You see the differences and that’s it, just look at the rotary nozzle. Do you think they (the Americans) are fools? They collected a bunch of documentation.
              1. +3
                April 16 2024 21: 58
                You see the differences and that’s it, just look at the rotary nozzle.

                This rotating three-link rotary nozzle was developed by Rolls-Royce for the Rolls-Royce RB.153-76A engine back in 1963, which they designed and tested for one of the versions of the German VTOL EWR VJ 101, a project the Germans eventually abandoned. Later, the Americans wanted to use this nozzle in their Model 200, but they also abandoned it. For the Americans, this rotary nozzle was nothing new.
    3. +2
      April 17 2024 09: 14
      China has no plans to produce vertical take-off and landing aircraft yet, probably because there is no demand for it at the moment.
      Some manufacturers have previously carried out theoretical studies of the relevant technologies, but have not moved on to the practical design stage.
      1. +1
        April 17 2024 11: 49
        Greetings! hi
        Quote: lDaive
        China has no plans to produce vertical take-off and landing aircraft yet, probably because there is no demand for it at the moment.

        In my purely subjective opinion, there is demand and prospects. Theoretically, short takeoff and landing aircraft can be based on helicopter carriers that already exist and are being built for the PLA Navy. Personally, taking into account the successes achieved by your aircraft industry, I have no doubt that China will eventually be able to make such a machine based on the J-35.
        Quote: lDaive
        Some manufacturers have previously carried out theoretical studies of the relevant technologies, but have not moved on to the practical design stage.

        In China, a number of projects have already been successfully implemented in the past, which became widely known only after they had been successfully tested, or even brought to the stage of mass production. It seems to me that this is a correct strategy worthy of respect. Unfortunately, in our country, leaders are very fond of irresponsibly talking about grandiose plans that are not always realized.

        I have a question for you. Tell me, what is the purpose of the concrete “aircraft carrier” built near the city of Wuhan?
        1. +1
          April 17 2024 12: 37
          The J35 will not have a VTOL version for the simple reason that it has two engines to generate thrust. Chengdu Aircraft presented the theory of a vertical take-off and landing aircraft, but upon closer inspection it turned out to be just a variation of the Yak 141.
        2. +2
          April 18 2024 06: 02
          Hello, dear Sergey! You're right. Many projects in China are strictly confidential, so I can only guess based on anecdotal information.
          The current Type 075 helicopter carrier is mainly prepared for the liberation of Taiwan. It does not need to carry VTOL aircraft such a short distance. As for a possible future Type 076, it is said that it would have an electromagnetic catapult and would not necessarily require a VTOL aircraft.
          As for the cement aircraft carrier, its main purpose should be to test the compatibility of electronic systems and test the control of carrier-based aircraft, and it has nothing to do with vertical take-off and landing aircraft.
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    April 20 2024 18: 02
    Why aren't aircraft carriers made longer?