Directed energy weapons have arrived on the battlefield

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Directed energy weapons have arrived on the battlefield

Laser weapon, referring to directed energy weapons, has long been the subject of controversy. Many tend to underestimate the consequences of its appearance on the battlefield and exaggerate the complexity of its implementation - “carry a power plant with you”, “fog/rain/clouds”, “silver paint”, “heat removal”, “compare the energy of a laser beam with the energy of a 30 mm projectile" is a set of hackneyed clichés that are present in almost any topic discussing laser weapons. Although, of course, the creation of laser weapons is a complex scientific and technical task that only technologically developed countries can handle.

However, the influence of laser weapons on the course of combat operations can significantly exceed what unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) currently have on them, but the “entry threshold” here will be much higher - it will be extremely difficult to assemble an effective combat laser from components from Aliexpress, if at all possible.



Laser weapons are progressing quite quickly; in the coming years, the troops of our opponents may appear as complex and expensive complexes with a power of 300–500 kW, capable of solving serious problems, as well as ubiquitous small-sized lasers with a power of up to 10 kW, capable of effectively combating small-sized kamikaze UAVs.


The compact Phantom laser module with a power of 10 kW and weighing only 90 kg from Northrop Grumman - this can be installed on every tank, infantry fighting vehicle or helicopter, and FPV has a chancedrones the enemy will be significantly smaller

For example, the laser weapons can significantly increase the survivability of aircraft at high altitude or make life more difficult for anti-submarine aircraft and helicopters.

Once upon a time, only two countries competed with each other in the creation of combat lasers - the USA and the USSR, but the technologies of that time did not allow the creation of truly effective solutions, now the USA is in the lead in the development of combat lasers, China is breathing down their necks, periodically news The development of laser weapons comes from Great Britain and Turkey.

As for Russia, everything is more complicated here, characteristics of the Peresvet combat laser complex (BLK) adopted for service are classified, nothing more has yet been heard about the capabilities and readiness for mass production of the “Zadira” or “Rat” complexes demonstrated at various exhibitions and forums.

In the meantime, combat lasers have already quietly and imperceptibly entered the battlefield in some regions of the world, which is what we will talk about today.

Saudi Arabia


Saudi Arabia (SA) is not a major arms producer, but it is one of the largest consumers of them, thanks to the significant financial resources that this country has. For a long time, Saudi Arabia purchased weapons only from Western countries, primarily from the United States, but after the collapse of the USSR, the SA Armed Forces began to purchase weapons from Russia, as well as from other countries of the world. Recently, we can note the supply of weapons to the SA from China, including those weapons for which most countries in the world do not yet have analogues.

Somewhere in 2019, oil refineries in Saudi Arabia began to be attacked by kamikaze UAVs launched by the Houthis from Yemen. Despite the presence of modern anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) and missile defense (ABM) systems in the Armed Forces of the Army, it was not possible to completely exclude cases of destruction of oil refineries using kamikaze UAVs (reminds me of nothing?).

Then, to combat the threat posed by kamikaze UAVs launched by the Houthis, Saudi Arabia purchased Silent Hunter combat lasers developed by the Chinese company Poly Technologies, as well as short-range target detection equipment, including small-sized radar stations and optical electronic stations (EOS) on telescopic lifting masts.

The Silent Hunter laser complex exists in stationary and mobile versions. The stationary version is mounted from blocks weighing up to 200 kilograms, while the automobile version is placed on a 6x6 chassis.


Stationary and mobile versions of the Silent Hunter combat laser

According to various sources, the power of the Silent Hunter combat laser complex ranges from 30 to 100 kilowatts (kW), it is possible that it can vary for different versions or be gained by packages of laser emitters. The estimated target engagement range is 1–4 kilometers, depending on the type of target. According to a number of sources, the Silent Hunter can hit targets with a body made of thin metal, plastic or composites, moving at speeds of up to 60 meters per second (216 kilometers per hour).

At the moment, information about oil refineries hit in Saudi Arabia does not appear on the pages of news resources; according to unconfirmed information, Silent Hunter laser systems have already destroyed several dozen “kamikaze” UAVs launched by the Houthis (however, it must be taken into account that “classic” ones are also involved) SAM).


Alleged image of the Silent Hunter complex in Saudi Arabia and the target it destroyed

In any case, the deployment of Silent Hunter laser systems to protect Saudi Arabian oil refineries can be considered the first confirmed case of the use of laser weapons in real combat operations.

Iraq


Iraq is neither a manufacturer of weapons nor a major buyer of them, since the moment when the US Armed Forces and other NATO countries swept through this country. Nevertheless, it is in Iraq that the latest DE M-SHORAD close-in laser systems have been deployed.

The fact is that the military bases of the US occupation contingent located in Iraq are periodically attacked by kamikaze UAVs and other types of air attack weapons, which “traditional” air defense systems are not always able to cope with.

The first experimental military air defense unit of the American army - a separate platoon as part of the 4th Battalion, 60th Air Defense Artillery Regiment at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, created in September 4, received 60 laser close-in defense systems DE M-SHORAD with a power of 2023 kW each. Three of the four vehicles received are now deployed in Iraq.


Laser close-in defense systems DE M-SHORAD

Based on the results of actual operation in Iraq, a decision will be made on whether to put DE M-SHORAD close-in laser systems into mass production in 2025 or to send them for modification. In any case, in the future it is planned to consistently increase the power of DE M-SHORAD to 150 kW or more.

In the summer of 2023 in the material “De M-SHORAD air defense laser systems in Ukraine. Will the United States decide to field test the latest weapons in the SVO2 zone? we talked about the possibility of American laser weapons appearing in the zone of the Russian Special Military Operation (SVO) in Ukraine, on the side of our enemy.

The aggravation of the situation in the Middle East has largely confused the cards of the United States and its allies, however, the risk of testing American laser weapons in Ukraine remains.

Novgorod region


No, we are not talking about the fact that industrial facilities in the Novgorod region were covered with Russian combat laser systems, but about the fact that specialists from the Trinity Institute of Innovative and Thermonuclear Research (JSC "SSC RF TRINITI") from the State Corporation "Rosatom" conducted a test test in the Novgorod region clearing a clearing from trees and shrubs in the area where power transmission lines are located using the mobile laser complex (MLC) they developed.


MLK produced by JSC "SSC RF TRINITY". Image triniti.ru

The news was published on April 1 of this year, so it raised reasonable doubts among the author, but there is no indication that this is a joke. In addition, information about the development of a mobile laser complex was also previously published on the websites of Rosatom State Corporation and JSC State Scientific Center of the Russian Federation TRINITY, however, its main task was stated to be cutting metal structures, including those up to 260 mm thick at a distance of up to 300 meters. And in the process of cutting trees, MLK cut a tree trunk 200 mm thick in 6 minutes.

Judging by the attached image, the MLK uses an ytterbium fiber laser, the power of which is not reported.

The question is who is the manufacturer of the laser emitter itself - is it Russian development and production or a purchased product?


MLK 3D model. Image triniti.ru

If it is purchased, then there are no questions, the supplier can directly prohibit the use of its laser emitters for military purposes, and if it is Russian, then the question of prioritization arises - what is more important now, cutting metal structures and cutting down trees along power lines, which has been done perfectly well for decades with more traditional tools , or the protection of Russian military and industrial facilities from attacks by Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs?

After all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can choose Rosatom State Corporation facilities as potential targets.

Conclusions


Laser weapons have already become a reality - it is impossible to deny it. Gradually, the effect of its use will be more and more noticeable. Our country also needs to intensify work in this direction, as well as ensure that real, and not field tests of laser weapons are carried out.

For example, the American strategic reconnaissance UAV RQ-4 Global Hawk is almost constantly hovering over the Black Sea, coordinating attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the Russian Black Sea Naval the fleet and infrastructure, so why not spoil his optics with the help of the Peresvet BLK?

And it’s better to shoot it down altogether; nothing will happen to us for it, even the Peresvet BLK, if it is capable of it, even the S-400 air defense system, even the Su-35S or MiG-31BM.

It is possible that we should adopt the experience of Saudi Arabia in terms of protecting oil refineries, including purchasing combat laser systems from China. For example, in the material “Gazprom pays - the Russian Defense Ministry operates: increasing the security of industrial facilities in the context of a special operation in Ukraine and future military conflicts” we talked about the fact that large corporations can purchase defensive weapons at their own expense, and they will be controlled and operated by contract soldiers of the Russian Ministry of Defense, and the salaries of contract soldiers will also be paid by commercial structures.

In addition, within the framework of such cooperation, it is possible to consider the possibility of purchasing laser systems as technological equipment.

Or perhaps it’s worth “forging plowshares into swords” and using all existing developments, including those obtained in the field of civilian laser systems, to create our own highly effective combat lasers for various purposes.

For reference. Directed energy weapons are a subtype of weapons based on new physical principles. There will always be someone who claims that this definition is incorrect, since all known physical principles have been discovered for quite a long time; extract from the encyclopedia of the Russian Ministry of Defense:

"Weapons on new physical principles

New types of weapons, the damaging factors of which are based on processes and phenomena that have not previously been used for military purposes. At the beginning of the 21st century, the following are in various stages of development and testing: directed energy weapons (laser, accelerator, microwave, infrasonic); electromagnetic weapons (micro-high frequency, types of laser); non-lethal weapons, so-called. not lethal; geophysical weapons (seismic, climate, ozone, environmental); radiological, etc. A special place is occupied by weapons that have a destructive effect on the genetic apparatus of people - genetic weapons.

Directed energy weapon, a type of weapon whose destructive effect is based on radiated energy concentrated in a narrow beam. To O.N.E. include: beam weapons that use thermomechanical effects as the main damaging factor to destroy manpower, equipment, and destroy objects and engineering structures (See Laser weapons, Accelerator weapons); ultra-high frequency weapons - radio frequency electromagnetic radiation to disable electronic equipment; infrasonic weapons - infrasonic vibrations to destroy manpower.

All types of O.N.E. practically inertialess and, with the exception of infrasonic weapons, instantaneous. The transfer of energy in them occurs at the speed of light or approaches it. A positive property of O.n.e. is its secrecy, surprise, ability to instantly disable electronic systems, which leads to disorganization of management.

However, for the effective action of O.ne.e. high-energy radiation sources and high-speed systems for detecting, identifying, locking on a target and pointing weapons at it are required. The main efforts of O.N.E. developers are concentrated in this direction. The greatest successes have been achieved in improving laser weapons."

For a better immersion in the topic, you can familiarize yourself with previously published materials about history and technology of laser weapons, prospects for their application in the air force, as air defense systems, in the Navy, in spaceand about methods of protection against laser weapons.
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  1. +4
    April 11 2024 05: 26
    Let's remember the great past - NPO "Astrophysics" and its developments, how far-sighted the Soviet Union was, of course, they did not reach the concept of use against UAVs, there was no need.
    The development, production and adoption of the first reconnaissance UAVs, the development of laser weapons and for all this created production facilities, in addition to the research institute, a turnkey product.

    We will see how our leadership will now respond to the existing challenge, what the Rosatom Research Institute will do.
    1. +7
      April 11 2024 06: 40
      Quote: Mamkin Batya
      How will our leadership now respond to the existing challenge?

      Even laser pointers blinded pilots when landing. There's a lot to think about...
    2. -8
      April 11 2024 09: 12
      You can almost guarantee the answer to the question: how our elite will respond - with nothing other than creating another unparalleled sample. But in order to mass-produce it, it can only come to fruition when it can be sold overseas.
    3. +6
      April 11 2024 14: 37
      Let's remember the great past - NPO "Astrophysics" and its developments, how far-sighted the Soviet Union was, of course, they did not reach the concept of use against UAVs, there was no need.

      As the son of a former astrophysics worker, I can say that developments have not gone beyond laser target designation, and no meaningful results have been produced. They have been trying to make combat lasers since the 60s, and they have been dreaming about heat rays for more than a hundred years.
      1. -9
        April 12 2024 10: 56
        Maybe you are the son of a Turkish pallet, that is, of twelve chairs
        1. +4
          April 12 2024 12: 07
          Or maybe the truth hurts your eyes? I’m not raising money here to repair the sinkhole, no one knows about the great achievements of astrophysics, why such efforts?
          1. -4
            April 19 2024 11: 08
            And you are definitely collecting money here only on the Georgian old field road, money, come on, give money
            1. +1
              April 19 2024 11: 20
              Where do I collect money? Do you have hallucinations, senile dementia, or maybe you are taking something forbidden?
              1. -3
                April 19 2024 11: 41
                With such pleasure, and where am I collecting money for the campaign, you need to contact your comrades in white coats or your psychologist if you have one, and if not, then the nearest clinic, the office of a psychologist or narcologist, he will help you
                1. +1
                  April 19 2024 12: 51
                  Do you even understand that you are writing some kind of complete nonsense here and are embarrassing yourself in public? Here we are talking about lasers, and you have Bender, doctors, psychologists, begging for money. Then you’ll accuse me of mocking the old senile guy?
                  1. 0
                    April 20 2024 09: 32
                    You yourself started writing nonsense, you don’t have to bother with nodding, but you yourself are diagnosed with idiocy, what’s next?
                    1. 0
                      April 20 2024 15: 28
                      I wrote what it is. You started accusing me of swindling money and now you are accusing me of something else. The doctor just hasn’t given you a diagnosis yet. Do you have anything to say about astrophysics or will you continue to write about Bender, Kivalovo and Keelun? Maybe you'll cry some more?
                      1. -1
                        April 20 2024 15: 46
                        Where from the very beginning your Turkish pondonism wrote that you are bargaining for money from you in a de same vu way. And regarding tears for such tears, not only can you write why you supply so much for the people
                      2. 0
                        April 21 2024 00: 14
                        Are you really schizophrenic or are you just pretending?
                      3. -1
                        April 22 2024 18: 33
                        Well, what a fool you are, you still have to look for something like this in the world, I don’t think you’ll find it
                      4. 0
                        April 22 2024 23: 52
                        Was it your mother who complained to you about me after I took her to the cinema?
                      5. 0
                        April 23 2024 10: 47
                        Looks like a stupid person, a youngster, how similar it is to the Ukrainian ones. The idiots don’t know how to take responsibility for themselves and immediately switch to their parents
    4. 0
      April 19 2024 14: 03
      Astrophysics was demolished, a residential complex was buried to the ground
      1. 0
        April 20 2024 15: 28
        Since the beginning of the 90s, there was only a building, no research was carried out, the premises were rented out, etc.
  2. +3
    April 11 2024 06: 04
    Lasers with some kind of explosive pumping, such as disposable ammunition, may have prospects.
    This way you can supply enormous power. Shot and load next.
    1. 0
      April 11 2024 19: 40
      Quote: Vadim_2
      Lasers with some kind of explosive pumping, such as disposable ammunition, may have prospects.

      There is such an idea! There is also an author of this idea...I can’t remember his last name just now! request
      1. 0
        April 15 2024 22: 54
        Engineer Garin came up with such a method in the novel.
        1. 0
          April 27 2024 23: 00
          Quote: Vol50
          Engineer Garin came up with such a method in the novel.

          In my youth, I also enjoyed reading science fiction, but over time I “touched” on other topics... Isn’t it time for you to read about XeF lasers (that’s in Basurmanian... and in Russian - PD lasers))
  3. +11
    April 11 2024 06: 08
    Another retelling of advertising brochures from laser weapon developers.
    1. +2
      April 11 2024 11: 31
      I completely agree with you, without a systematic retelling of rumors.
      1. 0
        April 12 2024 18: 59
        rumors are not rumors. Think whatever you want. But as a student after the army, I already remembered an incident at the physics department. 1978. The head of the department, Professor Kataev, and his two candidates of sciences were.
        He is Kataev, a kind uncle. charismatic leader. He will sit on the table, light a cigarette (at a lecture!) or shoot at a student and blow smoke onto the laser. He funny showed us helium neon ruby ​​in the topic of laser-optical quantum generators. Somehow at the lab, he sat down in the same way, lit a cigarette, feels like he drank properly, and smiles, bursting with happiness. He twists in his hands a fiber optic cable 1 cm in diameter, a piece of approximately 40 cm. at that time it was, well, almost a miracle. He says, oh, now the military and I have given the heat. And he’s silent. We’re pestered, tell me. Well, he gave it away - they burned through the armor of the tank. Whoever guesses the thickness, I’ll give this light guide, and it cost a little back then not 10 dollars centimeter, in his words. Well, there was a triad of us, three per workplace, someone blurted out 10 cm. Among other versions. They guessed it. For 2 weeks we begged for what was promised. He regretted what he said, but he gave it away. The ends with lenses - we wanted to read the spurs in our pockets without taking them out. But he read them letter by letter and enlarged the lace. I couldn’t find any practical use. they played it on someone’s fingers, someone took it. So it was 1978, they were already burning 10 cm. I think we’ve already gone far. We’ll find out later.
        1. 0
          April 13 2024 00: 10
          Quote: nznz
          they played it on someone’s fingers, someone took it. So it was 1978, they were already burning 10 cm. I think we’ve already gone far. We’ll find out later.


          How long did they burn 10 cm? Didn't say? From what distance? For reference, the Khrysanthem-S ATGM warhead makes a cumulative pestle of 120 centimeters (one meter twenty centimeters) behind dynamic protection in homogeneous armor. With a launch range of 5-6 km. In any weather.
          1. +1
            April 14 2024 21: 58
            Yes, even what he said, he didn’t have the right to say 1978, but you’re asking for details as a participant. as for burning and other things. Each weapon is designed for its target if it burns 10cm 1 sec. then some UAV will cut it in milliseconds.
  4. +4
    April 11 2024 07: 10
    In fact, lasers have made great progress in recent years. My jaw dropped when I saw 7-centimeter-thick pieces of metal cut on a laser machine. The armored vehicles will soon be in trouble.
    1. +4
      April 11 2024 08: 48
      Not everything is so simple. Some ceramics will not cut as well. And if you make KAZ and DZ blocks, both with a long-term emission of a dense aerosol-dust suspension towards the emitter, and directly when heated, then you can forget about the laser against armored vehicles forever. Unless a laser with enough power to melt a piece of space the size of a tank would be relevant. No tricks will save you here.
      1. +1
        April 11 2024 17: 08
        Even if lasers work effectively against kamikaze drones, then this alone will pay for them.
    2. +4
      April 11 2024 08: 55
      You are confusing easel conditions and combat conditions. Perhaps in some future, if only. But there are a number of difficulties that have to be solved, and maybe they will score
    3. +8
      April 11 2024 10: 43
      Quote: Prokop_Svinin
      My jaw dropped when I saw 7-centimeter thick pieces of metal cut on a laser machine. The armored vehicles will soon be in trouble.

      Yep ... Before starting combat use of the laser system, securely secure enemy armored vehicles. smile
      1. +1
        April 12 2024 20: 25
        Quote: Alexey RA
        .. before starting combat use of the laser system, securely secure the enemy’s armored vehicles.

        On the battlefield, even against UAVs it is not so easy to use a laser. Especially in conditions of smoke, dust, fog, and rain. And detection/target designation is not easy to ensure. And vulnerability from enemy fire.
        Placing such a laser on a ship is another matter. fellow The ship's energy department is full, open space (again, if not fog, haze, water suspension in the water layer). But I saw it right away and was amazed. And also for object-based short-range air defense. That's the best against UAVs.
        An English laser will most likely be placed in Kyiv or Odessa to fight off the “Geraniums”.
        If only we had that Il-76 with a laser in the nose, which was tested in the late Soviet Union, “on the move”, they would lift it over the Black Sea, and they would bring down all the American UAVs in a row. Go and prove later that it was shot down and not overheated in the sun. But there is no such thing. And they don’t shoot down - I don’t want to offend my partners.
        1. -1
          April 13 2024 00: 14
          Quote: bayard
          The ship's energy department is full, open space (again, if not fog, haze, water suspension in the water layer). But I saw it right away and was amazed. And also for object-based short-range air defense. That's the best against UAVs.


          We tried it in the USSR. Just in view of “fog, haze, water suspension in the surface layer”, the overall efficiency of the system turned out to be something like 5%. And don’t forget, all you need to do is hit the object with a bullet. It's not enough to hit with a laser. The laser does not need to be held at the target. Don’t really trust American beautiful movies; they are great specialists in advertising brochures. Just don't forget that laser weapons were tested in a variety of different variants and environments in the 60s. Didn't play...
          1. 0
            April 13 2024 02: 04
            Quote: abc_alex
            Don't forget that in the 60s, laser weapons were tested in a wide variety of variants and environments. Didn't play...

            Depends on the power. If you try to use a laser of several kilowatts to burn through an empty stage of a Titan rocket from a distance of 1-2 km. , then it will take a lot of time. Even this step just stands on the ground. And if you have a 50-kilowatt laser, then even large drones at an altitude of several kilometers can be shot down quite successfully. Especially if it is a low-intensity database (as in Libya during the period of active Turkish intervention). And if ships of the frigate/destroyer class have a laser of 100 - 200 kilowatts, then high humidity and light haze will not matter.
            Now progress has been made in the power of lasers. In this case, the shot is carried out with a short but very powerful impulse, thanks to storage capacitors, giving a quick discharge. So you can use an energy source that is not at the level of a nuclear power plant, and all this can be assembled on one car or even an armored personnel carrier.
            But still, the ideal conditions for a laser are space or the upper layers of the atmosphere. So combat lasers are already being installed on ships (USA, China, and others are being assembled), someone is pulling mobile installations into the fields, but so far it has actually been possible to shoot them down in Libya and in the Arab countries, where the air is dry and the atmosphere is transparent. And we are essentially one step away from placing powerful lasers in space with powerful energy sources for them.
            1. 0
              April 15 2024 00: 36
              Quote: bayard
              And if ships of the frigate/destroyer class have a laser of 100 - 200 kilowatts, then high humidity and light haze will not matter.


              It's not that simple. Rising currents of moist air from the water surface behave like a complex system of lenses, which is also constantly changing. And you need to focus the beam very precisely, since the flying object, firstly, shovels air around itself, which also creates an analogue of a lens with variable properties, but is also cooled well by the oncoming flow. You don't need 100-200 kilowatts, you need megawatts. Given the overall efficiency of the system, the energy source will have to use the power unit of a large thermal power plant or hydroelectric power station.


              Quote: bayard
              Now progress has been made in the power of lasers. In this case, the shot is carried out with a short but very powerful impulse, thanks to storage capacitors, giving a quick discharge. So you can use an energy source that is not at the level of a nuclear power plant, and all this can be assembled on one car or even an armored personnel carrier.


              In the 70s, the topic of short-pulse combat lasers was worked on very closely. And it was abandoned by all parties. Yes, there were no compact high-capacity capacitors, but the USSR, for example, developed explosion generators that gave approximately the same energy densities.
              And don't forget, a high-capacity capacitor is a huge bucket that needs to be filled to the brim. If you have a weak generator, this is the equivalent of filling a bucket with a glass. That is, the high power generators provide not the force of the “shot”, but the “rate of fire” of the system.

              Quote: bayard
              But still, the ideal conditions for a laser are space or the upper layers of the atmosphere.

              Exactly! The USSR, for example, made an airborne laser that shoots into space, and created the Skif station - a space laser gun. It was she who carried the mass-dimensional model into orbit by Energia on its first flight.
              But now, it seems, the West has decided to “forget” the results of more than 20 years of work by US and USSR engineers and start screaming loudly about laser weapons. For what? In my opinion, to drive competing military-industrial complexes into a spiral of useless spending. The experience with stealth systems has generally been successful; Europeans are rapidly switching to the US Penguin.
              1. 0
                April 15 2024 10: 04
                Quote: abc_alex
                a high-capacity capacitor is a huge bucket that needs to be filled to the brim. If you have a weak generator, this is the equivalent of filling a bucket with a glass. That is, the high power generators provide not the force of the “shot”, but the “rate of fire” of the system.

                What if there is not one, but several such capacitors on board? Like cartridges in a clip. In addition, the ship and power plants have capacities comparable to a small thermal power plant. And if such a ship has electric propulsion, then the excess energy on board is provided not by the generators themselves, but by the entire power plant. It is precisely these power plants that China is now installing on all its ships - from an aircraft carrier and UDC to a destroyer and a new frigate. It is with the prospect of installing such lasers. And such lasers are being actively developed and tested there. In the United States, combat lasers with a power of 100 to 300 kW are already being installed. on all new destroyers under construction. As a short-range air defense.
                Even Türkiye already has a combat laser with a power of up to 50 kW. on an army vehicle chassis. And he quite successfully shot down fairly heavy Chinese UAVs over Libya. So, with such an abundance of drones over the battlefield, such mobile lasers are becoming increasingly in demand. And I’m afraid that this trend will become the reason for accelerated progress in this class of combat lasers.
                Quote: abc_alex
                drive competing military-industrial complexes into a spiral of useless spending.

                I thought so too. But too many countries have gotten involved in this race, and not only the first-tier countries. Yes, and it has already been successfully used. If you increase the power of the pulse several times, and at the same time make the pulse itself several times shorter, then an explosion will occur on the target surface. Not a burn, but an explosion of sufficient power to hit or disable the target. This is the path along which the main developments are now taking place. And the role of high-capacity and compact capacitors for this is extremely high.
                Those. a field mobile laser is not a whim today, but an urgent necessity on the battlefield. And the launch of such weapons into space is now limited only by international treaties and the need to have a sufficiently powerful energy source on board such an orbital station / satellite. And our compact but powerful reactor with a power plant on an electric power plant for a “space tug” is an ideal power plant for such combat orbital stations in space.
            2. 0
              April 16 2024 17: 44
              But I once saw an IR laser beam from the side, with my own eyes. Mosquitoes because they burned in it.
    4. +4
      April 11 2024 12: 23
      Quote: Prokop_Svinin
      pieces of metal 7 cm thick cut on a laser machine. The armored vehicles will soon be in trouble.

      Armored vehicles will be fine. It will be possible to cut armor plates very precisely.
      What is the distance in the machine from the emitter to the material being cut? And in the intended combat use? When answering these questions, many others immediately disappear.
      1. 0
        April 11 2024 16: 52
        Whoever looks only at today loses. As they say, born to crawl...
        1. +2
          April 11 2024 16: 58
          Quote: Prokop_Svinin
          Whoever looks only at today loses. As they say, born to crawl...

          There is no need to crawl, but expecting a miracle where it is impossible is also counterproductive. For the law of propagation of em. radiation will be the same today and tomorrow. Putting your horn against a wall is not crawling, but it is not flying either.
    5. fiv
      0
      April 12 2024 16: 16
      When laser cutting on a machine, the metal is only heated by the laser, and the cut occurs when the metal burns in a stream of oxygen. And the laser is quite capable of melting the shell of the device even without oxygen supply
      1. +1
        April 15 2024 10: 45
        Quote: fiv
        The laser is quite capable of melting the shell of the device even without oxygen supply

        it was about "cutting armored vehicles"
        1. fiv
          0
          April 15 2024 16: 23
          They probably won’t be cutting armored vehicles on the battlefield for a very long time. Maximum - disable optical-electronic sensors
          1. +1
            April 15 2024 16: 36
            Quote: fiv
            Maximum - disable optical-electronic sensors

            I can do it, yes. But it’s hard for me to imagine an expensive installation at a line-of-sight distance to the teeth of armed armored vehicles.
            1. fiv
              +1
              April 15 2024 18: 22
              I completely agree with you. Moreover, such weapons will have to operate in direct line of sight.
    6. 0
      April 16 2024 22: 31
      Armored vehicles will soon be in trouble

      It is of course... but they cut metal with sand and water, the question is at what distance...
      In my opinion, microwave coherent radiation (analogous to lasers in the microwave range) is more suitable today. Burning out the electronics of an aircraft or UAV is much easier than cutting the body. And clouds, smoke and dust have less effect on straightness and range. Surely THERE, in the palaces, they are doing this, as well as lasers, but the armchair army will not learn about the results very soon.
      And it is right!
      1. 0
        April 20 2024 22: 19
        Vlad.by
        Masers have the same disadvantages as lasers. Clouds, smoke and dust at the operating frequencies of masers affect no less than the radiation of lasers... The same eggs, only in profile...
  5. +1
    April 11 2024 07: 30
    Lasers are denied and laughed at by the same dinosaurs who shout that “if you take a Tesla, then a diesel one and a manual one”! This is an old perception of the world. Of course, gunpowder will not go anywhere, but lasers will rise higher and higher in importance and will occupy one of the main places, if not the most important. Maybe not as quickly as I wanted, but still.
    1. -1
      April 20 2024 22: 16
      Vadim S
      Drive a Tesla... especially one that has stayed overnight in the cold. Charge for hours. Throw the whole car in the trash immediately after the batteries degrade. Wait for it to light up, or without your help, it will end up in an accident.

      Super advanced You are ours. In your lifetime you will not see “lasers take one of the main places.” And your children will not see
  6. 0
    April 11 2024 08: 00
    Yes, today’s Russia lacks engineer Garin.
    being a huckster is more prestigious than being an engineer.
    1. +4
      April 11 2024 08: 12
      In fact, Garin was worse than a huckster - he strived for world domination.
      1. +1
        April 11 2024 09: 00
        In fact, a bully, in the balance sheet, always, without exception, takes more than he gives, otherwise he is not a huckster at all, but a bankrupt and a loser, but with the world hegemons it is different, at least for his own hegemons more often do not skimp, and shower benefits beyond all measure, unless of course there is someone to take these benefits from for redistribution.
        1. +1
          April 11 2024 11: 07
          You described the businessman by calling him a huckster. Business is the basis of the modern economy.

          I was talking purely about the literary hero of Tolstoy, who was not a businessman, he wanted to become a world dictator.
          1. 0
            April 11 2024 13: 54
            I read. And about business too. That is why I am for Garin.
            1. 0
              April 12 2024 07: 35
              Quote: Passing by
              I read. And about business too. That is why I am for Garin.


              I don't like dictators.
      2. 0
        April 11 2024 09: 03
        Now we are talking not about personality, but about abilities.
    2. +2
      April 11 2024 13: 47
      Actually, the idea of ​​a hyperboloid was invented by the scientist Mantsev, and Tyklinsky invented the “fuel” for it. Garin created a working copy.
  7. +2
    April 11 2024 08: 13
    Poor little animals and mushroom pickers... I think it was a joke after all, and the photo is very reminiscent of the hyperboloid from the film.
  8. +6
    April 11 2024 09: 05
    If it is purchased, then there are no questions, the supplier can directly prohibit the use of its laser emitters for military purposes, and if it is Russian, then the question of prioritization arises - what is more important now, cutting metal structures and cutting down trees along power lines, which has been done perfectly well for decades with more traditional tools , or the protection of Russian military and industrial facilities from attacks by Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs?

    Again, technical ignorance played a cruel joke on the author. If the author had at least a little understanding of the topic, then he would not have any questions. Because the mobile laser technological complex (MLTC) produced by JSC "SSC RF TRINITI" is unsuitable for use for "military purposes". The complex itself can be placed at a distance from the “cut” object up to 300 m. But the emitter is located directly at the object, laser cutting is carried out using transport optical fiber. That is, 300 meters is not the distance at which the “laser” cuts, it is the maximum length of the transport optical fiber.
  9. +5
    April 11 2024 09: 09
    Lasers have a lot of disadvantages. And I don’t know yet how they will be resolved. For a laser to hit successfully, it needs
    1) see the target (short distance),
    2) lead the target (high concentration on a maneuverable target),
    3) have no obstacles or interference in the area between the target and the installation. Bad weather, smoke, pollution, everything is already interfering to varying degrees.
    4) have a huge reserve of power for a massive attack. There are many targets, which means more optics for tracking are needed, as well as emitters, as well as power
    5) The target should not have reflective parts, as well as heat-intensive parts
    6) The mobility of the laser system is still in question (the technology is still not enough) For field installations, sky control systems over a local area of ​​combat contact.

    Such systems have a very narrow scope of activity. If this is now being developed, it is only as stationary systems for monitoring the sky within visual range and even less. They are not particularly useful now. Expensive and applicability is scanty.
    And it's certainly not a revolution, and definitely don't compare it to drones. Drones haven't even finished disrupting the military industry yet, they're just getting started. Lasers are not even close and have no plans yet.
    1. +1
      April 13 2024 00: 22
      Don’t forget also the complex focusing systems, which lose their properties when fired. Glass heats up and flows; it is amorphous. The Americans, on their laser Boeing, got their fill of this.
    2. 0
      April 14 2024 23: 37
      For a laser to hit successfully, it needs
      1) see the target (short distance),
      2) lead the target (high concentration on a maneuverable target),
      3) have no obstacles or interference in the area between the target and the installation. Bad weather, smoke, pollution, everything is already interfering to varying degrees.
      4) have a huge reserve of power for a massive attack. There are many targets, which means more optics for tracking are needed, as well as emitters, as well as power
      5) The target should not have reflective parts, as well as heat-intensive parts
      6) The mobility of the laser system is still in question (the technology is still not enough) For field installations, sky control systems over a local area of ​​combat contact.

      1 Do you see stars in the sky at night? So this is electromagnetic radiation, which is also used in lasers
      2 Starlink satellites have been using laser communication between satellites for some time now. The satellites are not just nailed to the firmament and therefore motionless, but the distances between them are considerable by earthly standards. Only somehow they solved the problem with beam positioning
      3 Interference and barriers between the target and the installation are an obstacle for any weapon
      4 It’s all a bunch here, it’s hard to answer
      5 Reflective properties and frequency characteristics will be agreed upon in advance?
      6 We generally have a common problem with mobile high-energy installations
      1. 0
        April 15 2024 11: 37
        1) It’s not clear what you mean. "See the target" means he needs to have a straight line between the target and the emitter. And this is a limitation of the horizon or requirements for the height of the emitter.
        2) The greater the distance, the wider the beam, and the easier it is to aim. Try to focus the beam on a moving target at a distance so that it has time to fry the surface. It would be easier to make a pulsed source in order to supply more power at a time, avoiding maintenance requirements.
        5) Your laser will also not have a wide spectrum. You can prepare
  10. +3
    April 11 2024 10: 02
    Quote: Vadim S
    Lasers are denied and laughed at by the same dinosaurs who shout that “if you take a Tesla, then a diesel one and a manual one”! This is an old perception of the world. Of course, gunpowder will not go anywhere, but lasers will rise higher and higher in importance and will occupy one of the main places, if not the most important. Maybe not as quickly as I wanted, but still.

    Dinosaurs simply understand that there are fundamental physical laws. And the efforts of PR people and businessmen from science do not in any way affect the existence of these laws.
  11. +1
    April 11 2024 10: 27
    It seems that this topic has already been discussed here. On 04.08.2019/50/4, the Turks in Libya shot down the UAE-owned (acting for Haftar) Chinese-made Wing Loong II MALE class drone. They killed it using a 4-kilowatt laser mounted on a regular XNUMXxXNUMX armored car. It seems that this is the first case in history of using a combat laser to destroy a real target.

    https://topwar.ru/160925-prishestvie-boevyh-lazerov-4-ijulja-2019-goda.html
    1. 0
      April 11 2024 15: 03
      Perhaps not everyone believed that a Turkish laser could shoot down a high-altitude drone like that, a muddy story without proof or details
  12. +1
    April 11 2024 11: 28
    MLK cut a 200 mm thick tree trunk in 6 minutes

    Actually, here is the answer to why this decision is still not being fought.
    Of course, the wood is saturated with water (20 cm wood is definitely not old), but 6 minutes is a bit long.
    How much damage will such a laser inflict on a target at a distance of 1-4 km while it flies these 1-4 km? If we take the Saudi LO parameter mentioned in the article, then it fights targets up to 200 km/h, frankly speaking, not fast objects. This means that such a target travels a distance of 3.3 km in 1 minute and in a minute the laser power should be enough to knock it out. Unlike a stationary tree, the moving object will be in a convection flow, this will also work against the LO since the irradiated elements will be cooled by the incoming air. 1 minute, about everything about everything..
  13. 0
    April 11 2024 11: 33
    Will a laser beam cut a mirror surface? Big doubts...
  14. +4
    April 11 2024 11: 59
    Where is our analogue overexposure shouting from all the irons? Is it over?
  15. +1
    April 11 2024 13: 15
    we talked about the possibility of American laser weapons appearing in the zone of the Russian Special Military Operation (SVO) in Ukraine, on the side of our enemy.

    All examples of the successful use of such weapons refer to conditions where they are opposed only by light UAVs. They are powerless against long-range artillery.
    That’s why there won’t be any of them in the Northern Military District, on either side.
    1. 0
      April 16 2024 05: 56
      You can think of lasers as a means of communicating with drones or as a means of transmitting energy. For example, you can refuel the batteries of flying drones with a laser and then there will be no need to land them. Lasers are already very useful for this.
  16. -1
    April 11 2024 14: 14
    Will never become a weapon! Learn physics... there are no miracles in this world
    1. 0
      April 11 2024 16: 00
      It may happen in extremely narrow ranges. Stationary laser against light FPV drones.
      Here is the question: (installation cost + power and maintenance) / (cost of classic projectile weapons and their maintenance * per number of FPV drone attacks)
      1. +3
        April 12 2024 08: 18
        There are two obstacles: the atmosphere and the behavior of the affected object (mine, shell, aircraft, UAV, etc.). The atmosphere strongly scatters radiation in the near-IR region (1000 - 1100 nm), especially at high humidity: water actively absorbs thermal radiation, the uneven distribution of water vapor and the vorticity of the atmosphere on the horizontal path turns the atmosphere into a kind of group of lenses with its own optical refractive index. With a low radiation density in the waist (less than 20 W/sq.mm), starting from 300 meters, the beam in the real atmosphere begins to behave like an air hose with a free end - it winds. This effect was studied in detail in the 90s of the last century in St. Petersburg. And we received confirmation by calculation. Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE to hold the contact patch at a given point for the required time at low energy densities in the beam and focus the beam at the required point. Object behavior: ANY air object in flight performs rotational-oscillatory motion relative to the speed coordinate system. In this case, the time of exposure to the contact surface for burning or breaking the mechanical properties of the material (reduction of strength, melting, etc.) depending on the coefficients of reflection and absorption of radiation, the shape of the surface (spherical, cylindrical or simply at an angle to the incident radiation) can be from 10 s to an hour. And the vibration frequency of the contact surface for a standard air object (mine) is from 1 Hz and higher with an amplitude of tens of millimeters. Therefore, to reduce the contact time and obtain the effect, megawatt radiation powers are needed. And the efficiency of the laser system is around 0.3. So calculate how much energy you need to hit a real object. The aiming accuracy should be no worse than 1...1 mm on a 2 km track. We have actually tested and confirmed all this experimentally. Our “partners” are pushing us hard into this topic: the costs are huge, the diversion of resources is very large, and the result is nothing. It’s not just that Trinity, Rheinmetall Defense and others have not been able to do anything worthwhile for so many years, and serious developers only talk about cutting up metal structures. And the author of the article falls for any stupidity and periodically throws this “noodles” here, exciting “fragile minds.” All serious work on directed energy weapons has been de facto stopped due to the lack of practical results... Period!
        1. +1
          April 14 2024 23: 54
          There are two obstacles: the atmosphere and the behavior of the affected object (mine, shell, aircraft, UAV, etc.)

          Really more.
          The atmosphere strongly scatters radiation in the near-IR
          Probably only in certain windows of radio waves there may not be such intense absorption/scattering. I remember we were intimidated by orbital installations with X-ray lasers to irradiate them immediately from orbit. Only the X-ray laser is a very large installation, and the atmosphere absorbs almost everything. By the way, what do you hear from them, from X-ray lasers?
          And the efficiency of the laser system is around 0.3
          This is if you look at the ancient carbon dioxide. And if you take a modern semiconductor (it’s just that we don’t even make such structures in our laboratories) you can expect 90% in pulsed mode.
          All serious work on directed energy weapons has been de facto stopped due to the lack of practical results... Period!

          Don’t forget, we still have space and it has its own strategic interests. Even now, it would not hurt to slightly overheat the fuel tanks on some satellites supposedly for remote sensing of the Earth’s surface or to run a beam along the casing in order to shorten the period of stay in LEO.
  17. 0
    April 11 2024 17: 59
    The skeptics are right - it’s complete crap and will remain crap - although you can naturally raise a lot of money from this tongue
  18. +1
    April 11 2024 18: 32
    On the one hand, the article resembles a promising area of ​​​​weapons that is developing right now. But at the same time...
    “carry a power plant with you”, “fog/rain/clouds”, “silver paint”, “heat removal”, “compare the energy of a laser beam with the energy of a 30 mm projectile” - this is a set of hackneyed clichés

    But at the same time, the author himself seems to OVERestimate the role of the laser on the battlefield of the future and present. Or, perhaps more precisely, he is not very objective in assessing laser systems.
    They will certainly have their own niche. For example additional protection of stationary objects. As the only defense system, it will not be good (which will be discussed later), but as an addition it will work quite well.
    Laser technology also has a definite future in the fleet, where the energy and dimensions of ships allow laser systems to be placed there. Again, as an addition to other systems.
    The future of the laser as a "main caliber" system may be in space.
    The fact is that no matter how the developers develop the technology of combat lasers, their power plant, layout, type of laser, etc. they do not change the fundamental features. A laser is a DIRECT beam!
    This is where the disadvantages of the laser as a short-to-medium radius air defense system lie. The laser can fire at a target ONLY when the target is in LINE OF SIGHT. This greatly complicates and limits the operation of such systems in conditions where line-of-sight surveillance is disrupted. For example in hilly/mountainous areas. Or in a region of dense and continuous mountain development. In such conditions, light and medium UAVs can reach the target low to the ground and hiding behind obstacles. And so either fly past the laser air defense installation, or fly to it so late that the installation itself will not have time to shoot down all the targets. As a result, such a installation should be located either on open, flat terrain or at the highest points of the terrain - but such a location makes the installation vulnerable to other weapons (artillery, DRGs with long-range rifles, aviation or high-altitude drones).
    Secondly, the “body” of the laser is the beam. Photon flux. Moreover, if you look at EM radiation from the point of view of a wave, then each individual portion of radiation primarily propagates radiation as a SPHERICAL wave. Because of this, no matter how you build the laser, its beam will gradually expand/scatter in direct proportion to the distance from the source. You can even check this yourself. Take a simple laser pointer and shine it on your hand or the wall. You will see that the spot of light is the size of a peppercorn or even a match head. And then, with the same pointer, dedicate it to the wall, but at a distance of 100-150 m from it. And ask one of your friends to come up to the spot and see its size. The spot has already increased in size. Depending on the design of the laser, from the size of an apricot to the size of a ball. And we only moved a hundred meters away. In addition, lasers greatly lose efficiency when the atmosphere is polluted. Dust, sand, fog, splashes of water, all this in small portions, some of the photons are slightly deflected to the sides. By the way, lasers (certain types of designs) also need to cool the installation. Which also slightly reduces the efficiency of the system when used in a hot region.
    1. +1
      April 15 2024 00: 06
      First of all, it propagates radiation as a SPHERICAL wave.
      If this is not a laser pointer, but a real laser, where everything is monochrome and coherent, then it’s quite a flat radiation front.
      Because of this, no matter how you build the laser, its beam will gradually expand/scatter in direct proportion to the distance from the source.
      Eight not from this. This is where you focus. And starting from certain beam energy densities, it can self-focus.
      You can even check this yourself. Take a simple laser pointer and shine it on your hand or the wall. You will see that the spot of light is the size of a peppercorn or even a match head. And then, with the same pointer, dedicate it to the wall, but at a distance of 100-150 m from it. And ask one of your friends to come up to the spot and see its size. The spot has already increased in size. Depending on the design of the laser, from the size of an apricot to the size of a ball.
      Is it okay that your favorite laser pointers only have a name? They are specially made “non-laser” so that people don’t foolishly peel off each other’s retinas. Want to check out a real laser? Look at the glare of an industrial cutting machine without safety glasses. Admiring electric welding is resting.
      By the way, lasers (certain types of designs) also need to cool the installation.
      Almost everyone.
      1. 0
        April 20 2024 21: 35
        barbos
        Laser pointers have laser LEDs. And, in fact, there are markings on them that say they are dangerous for eyesight and you should not shine light into your eyes. They just have very little power. And any light beam, even monochrome, diverges. The atmosphere, in fact, has the property of scattering electromagnetic waves in the optical range.
        And by the way, the “spot” of the pointers has a sign of a laser spot - the illusion that it shimmers or moves
  19. -2
    April 11 2024 20: 29
    Lasers are the forerunner for new weapons. Super lasers will create a channel for transmitting a powerful beam of electrons through it, which, like artificial lightning, strikes any aircraft at altitudes accessible for ionization. Moreover, the pulsed transfer of energy generated by a super laser installation into a laser beam can penetrate the atmosphere to the ionosphere, saturated with charged particles, causing a response beam in the direction of the super laser installation. Yes, gentlemen, comrades, designers and inventors - there is something to think about. Or maybe it’s not necessary, so we’ve hung up our guns in our cosmic home called Earth.
    1. 0
      April 20 2024 21: 27
      89824024836
      Yep, smoking superlasers powered by a nuclear power plant.
  20. -1
    April 12 2024 09: 46
    Regarding lasers from Aliexpress, everything is not so clear. If we move away from the “destroy” strategy to the “prevent the task from being completed” strategy, we get the constructor:
    1. Camera(s) from a phone (camera) to monitor the airspace and identify contrasting targets.
    2. A set of powerful laser pointers (3,5,10 as many as you can fit) to disable UAV optics.
    3. A set of Arduino servos for pointing the package at the target.
    4. Computing module based on a processor from a smartphone (laptop)
    What we have in the end:
    1. Trench air defense with low cost and energy consumption.
    2. Work in automatic mode.
    3. Low cost of the kit (by military standards)
    4. Low development time and cost.
    5. Availability of components.
    In addition, if you implement a horizontal scanning mode, you can get an anti-sniper mode - try to aim when someone is shooting at your eye with a laser!
    1. 0
      April 20 2024 21: 24
      Dmitriy22
      The idea of ​​trench air defense with aliexpress is interesting. But didn’t you think that a “drone from Aliexpress” would fly into this “trench air defense”, aiming precisely at the source of your laser beam?
      1. 0
        April 20 2024 21: 31
        A specialized laser-guided drone? And to hell with it. We put it n-twenty meters from the nearest position and let them fly. Or even in an open field, like a trap for cockroaches...
        1. 0
          April 20 2024 21: 39
          Well, they’ll knock each other off))) And the anti-laser drone will probably be cheaper than your trench laser))
          1. 0
            April 20 2024 21: 46
            Set of laser pointers + blunt bellows. scanning as bait - a bunch for a snout. Full-fledged air defense with guidance - I think it’s somewhere comparable. How much does an air defense missile cost against an MLRS (Vampira) missile? What about the price of the protected object?
            1. 0
              April 22 2024 00: 10
              And what will this pack of pointers of yours with an MLRS rocket do? Will he indicate the positions of his troops for observers from enemy copters?
          2. 0
            April 20 2024 21: 48
            And again, the laser works on a detected target, until detection - passive mode..
            1. 0
              April 22 2024 00: 11
              the laser works on a detected target
              How are you going to detect it? Especially at night?
              And if the target itself is, as you put it, in “passive” mode. Is it flying by inertia, the fuel in the engine has already burned out and it emits practically nothing?
  21. -1
    April 12 2024 11: 01
    It looks like there are only Turkish citizens and F. Shinton people sitting here, and this very very dumb platform itself, so it’s not worth writing something about the newest courts, only you can write it, you can just add it to the article, let’s not overstrain ourselves from trying
  22. 0
    April 12 2024 21: 02
    Conclusions: these are still fairy tales.
  23. -1
    April 13 2024 17: 47
    Back in 2018 we were told about “duty”...
    And they take gentlemen at their word... :)
    And where, when and who they are on duty is a secret...
  24. 0
    April 16 2024 09: 35
    I think for protection against small drones, a laser is a good solution! All that remains is to resolve issues with energy and target designation.
  25. 0
    April 16 2024 21: 24
    Well, yes, this crap is standing somewhere on the edge of the forest, and then mosquitoes swooped in... It seems to have more survivability than a howitzer. Or a radar that sees everything. And about the cost of an impulse of 10 pounds st. Everything is included in 100 lemons. Well, everything is clear about the weather. Industrial lasers do not cut metal from 1 km away. And for blinding, burning the drone’s video matrix, the truth is that a nimble weight should be just that.
  26. 0
    April 20 2024 21: 21
    The same prodigy again? How many years has it been developing laser weapons? At least 60 years old! Compare with how “conventional weapons” have changed during this time. And once every 5 years it sounds like “finally, now, it has already entered service...”, but things are still there.
    Now they are trying to counter wunderwaffle drones with lasers.
    In my opinion, the maximum that can really happen is to blind, well, maybe even burn out the optics. You can try to blind optics, helicopter pilots, observers, or snipers. But, if such blinders begin to appear on the battlefield, then almost immediately missiles and drones will fly at them, aiming at the source of laser radiation.
    In short, the author repeated “old songs about old things”