A leap forward or a step back? New US Army rifle and machine gun

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A leap forward or a step back? New US Army rifle and machine gun
Finalists of the Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW) program. It is noticeable that the winner was not the most futuristic design.


On March 28, the US Army released a statement that soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 506th Regiment will begin receiving "Next Generation Rifles and Automatic Rifles" ahead of "new equipment training" (New Equipment Training, NET ), which will begin in April of this year.



We are talking about a rifle and a machine gun, developed under the program “Weapon next generation squads" (Next Generation Squad Weapons, NGSW). The winner of the competition for this program was Sig Sauer in April 2022, beating General Dynamics and Textron Systems in the finals. The systems of the American branch of the German brand were adopted by the army under the designations M7 (rifle) and M250 (machine gun).

The systems replace the M4 carbine and the M249 Squad Automatic Weapons 5,56 mm machine gun.

The US Army has been trying to replace the legendary Emka for quite some time. Various competitions and tests took place during the Cold War. Some designs were so futuristic and revolutionary that the weapon looked more like a blaster than a machine gun, while others, on the contrary, tried to mimic existing platforms as much as possible.


What hasn't the US Army tested? The photo shows participants in the competition for the US Army Advanced Combat Rifle (ACR) program. It all started in 1986, and the next year, 1987, it all basically ended. None of the presented samples came close in terms of the sum of their characteristics to the standard M16A2 rifle at that time. The $300 million spent on the program was simply written off.

The main thing in the current weapon, of course, is the ammunition – “6.8×51mm”. Ammunition developed for the US Army, introduced in 2019 and released to the civilian market later that year as the .277 SIG Fury.

The overall idea was quite simple - we needed ammunition that would penetrate all modern means of personal armor protection, and at the same time retain the ballistics of the old 5.56 ammunition... Well, at least approximately.

And in general, everything worked out. True, the ammunition turned out to be ambiguous. The amount of gunpowder had to be made very large, and the pressure in the barrel of the weapon increased accordingly; in order for the barrel to meet all army requirements for reliability, it had to be made very “heavy”.


The new ammunition is clear. The sleeve design is clearly visible. Promotional cutaway from Sig Sauer's booth at the 2020 SHOT Show.

The weapon casing was also not easy. In order for the cartridge case to withstand loads and at the same time somehow save weight when actually switching back to a rifle cartridge, it was made of two metals at once: the bottom is made of stainless steel, the body of the case is made of copper, and all this is connected together with an aluminum connecting washer. In fact, such a sophisticated cartridge case even looks boring compared to the ammunition of other competitors in the Next Generation Rifles and Automatic Rifles program; there were cooler things there.

The rifle and machine gun themselves, as Sig Sauer states, are basically one system - the automation works by removing powder gases from the barrel, which act on a short-stroke gas piston. A system that the US Army tried to sell more than once as a replacement for the M16 with its direct effect of powder gases on the bolt, but somehow it did not work out.


To say that Sig Sauer promoted the fact of participation in the army competition (that is, even before winning it), is to say nothing. In the photo from the advertising poster, both samples are still in the designation that they wore during army tests - XM5 and XM250.

I don’t even want to talk about ergonomics, similar to the M-series, a “floated” barrel, composite materials and M-LOK. The US Army apparently already views this as something basic and self-evident.

As icing on the cake, all this can be complemented by the M157 Fire Control Optic, designed specifically for these two systems. Although this is not exactly a sight, or rather, not only a sight. “Fire control optics” is, in fact, eight-fold variable magnification optics, a ballistic calculator, a laser rangefinder, an atmospheric sensor... and a compass.


A soldier from the 2nd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division, US Army, on the range with an M7 rifle, Alaska, 2023. The Army said 25 hours were spent testing systems under the NGSW program. It’s not very clear, however, it is in the form of “timekeeping” before the adoption of the M000 and M7 into service, or even after and before the delivery of the first systems into service already in 250.

It must be said that the reaction of the American weapons community was ambiguous. There were exclamations of admiration, skepticism, and outright misunderstanding of what it was and why every fighter in the field needed it.

Absolutely everyone who has had the opportunity to get acquainted with new types of weapons identifies several big disadvantages of the new systems.


The main “testing ground” for testing the tandem M7 and M250, already adopted for service, was the 101st Airborne Division. It is not surprising that the first unit fully armed with these systems was chosen from this division. In the photo, soldiers of the 2nd battalion of the 502nd regiment of the 2nd brigade of the 101st airborne division are in a training class studying new equipment.

Despite all the designers' tricks with materials and layout, the rifle turned out to be heavy, noticeably heavier than the M4 carbine. An “empty” M7 weighs the same as a full-size M16A4 rifle with a 30-round magazine and a standard belt, let alone an M4 carbine.

The situation with the machine gun is a little different; it came out quite in the weight category of the SAW, which it should replace.

But the question arises with the mass of portable ammunition. Again, despite all the “dancing with a tambourine” around the “composite” cartridge case, fighters with the M7 and M250 will have to carry almost full-size rifle cartridges with the corresponding weight and dimensions. From this follows the standard capacity of the M7 magazine - 20 rounds... Hello M16A1 and “Charlie” in the trees.


Fort Campbell garrison commander Colonel Christopher Middleberry inspects the M7 rifle with the M157 sighting system installed, September 2023.

Both the rifle and the machine gun are standardly equipped with silent and flameless firing devices. That is, they are not just included with the weapon, but are intended to be used constantly, and, apparently, other muzzle devices (for example, a muzzle brake-compensator) are simply not provided. It seems like nothing of the kind, but even a small weapon becomes even larger, and such a lack of variability on a rifle, and especially on a machine gun, looks somehow strange.

That is, if the machine gun has become closer to the “full-size” machine guns that were previously located at the platoon and company levels, and at the same time has practically not gained weight, then with the rifle everything is not clear. The M7 lost those advantages for which the 5,56x45 mm ammunition and the M16 rifle, and then the M4 carbine, were created - the low weight of portable ammunition and the compactness and lightness of the weapon itself.


A soldier of the 2nd Battalion, 502nd Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 101st Airborne Division fires an M250 machine gun, 2023, Fort Campbell, Kentucky, USA.

Perhaps this explains that the terms of the contract concluded with Sig Sauer when accepting the rifle and machine gun for service were initially quite modest - 20,4 million US dollars. For this amount, 15 machine guns and 35 rifles were supplied. Yes, yes, that’s right, 40 units.

No, this is not a megacut or an ingenious corruption scheme, it’s just that most of the funds were intended to set up mass production and build a separate production line, and 40 is just an installation batch. But the contract has a “ceiling” of $4 billion, with the potential to supply the army with 250 rifles and machine guns.

Judging by declassified documents, 2022 and 2023 thousand units of rifles and machine guns were to be produced in 9 and 16. True, the actual production volumes are not yet clear, and the program itself has been stalled from the very beginning. The first requirements for new systems appeared back in 2017, and the first unit equipped with new weapons was supposed to appear in 2022, as a result, adoption into service only took place in 2022. But violation of deadlines and huge budgets spent but not producing results are, in general, commonplace for the US Army.


Be that as it may, it will be interesting to see what “they” get, because our military is also looking towards the “six”.

The American military themselves, apparently, have not fully decided for themselves whether they are ready to completely abandon the 5,56 and the legendary Emka. In the meantime, it has been announced that in May of this year another unit will begin to receive M7 and M250, this time the National Guard and armored units.

Be that as it may, we will be interested to see what they come up with and where it will lead them, given that our gunsmiths and military are also looking at new calibers and ammunition for small arms.


New weapon systems have generated a lot of controversy and discussion, a huge number of video reviews from weapons bloggers and even cartoons. “Look, the US Army has adopted a long, heavy automatic rifle that uses full-size rifle ammunition and a 20-round magazine.” And then there was John Moses Browning with his BAR in his hands. A subtle hint that the new weapon system is not a step forward, but a return almost to 1918. Forgive us, John Moses.
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  1. -2
    April 5 2024 04: 09
    But the contract has a “ceiling” of $4 billion, with the potential to supply the army with 250 rifles and machine guns.

    It’s reminiscent of the Red Army’s armament plans with “Svetka”, but we still counted in the millions, with a standard cartridge for the entire army.
    The thing is certainly interesting and promising, but I think that if something happens, the amers will get involved with this tsatka... The legendary desire in difficult situations to have, in addition to the M4, a Kalash at hand will seem like a good joke.
    1. +1
      April 5 2024 17: 36
      More like the M14 whirlpool. We started with the M14 and returned to a machine with a similar “mark” concept. Let's see.
      1. +3
        April 5 2024 17: 40
        Quote: Blackgrifon
        More like the M14 whirlpool. We started with the M14 and returned to a machine with a similar “mark” concept. Let's see.

        No, I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about the fact that the SVT planned to arm the first line of rifle divisions. The M-14 should have been completely replaced by Garands, EMNIP.
  2. +1
    April 5 2024 04: 17
    When you print money yourself, the following fantasies may arise: “Give me a sleeve made of three metals! Yes, stainless steel, and with copper, and a little aluminum!” Ours have never made brass cartridges for AKs. Because it's expensive. And here it’s actually a holiday. Sig Sauer seems to be the Europeans, why do they have such quirks with fatty cabbage soup?
    1. +7
      April 5 2024 06: 09
      Quote: ratfly
      and with copper, and a little bit of aluminum!”

      Yes, they apparently didn’t study in the 8th grade... copper + aluminum is an excellent galvanic couple. and no matter how you anodize aluminum, sooner or later the awl will come out lol Therefore, you can forget about long periods. Or make it like sausages in vacuum packaging or in an inert and, most importantly, completely dry environment.
    2. 0
      April 5 2024 11: 31
      Quote: ratfly
      And here it’s actually a holiday. Sig Sauer seems to be the Europeans, why do they have such quirks with fatty cabbage soup?

      They set requirements and the manufacturer submits samples for shooting. Of course they will be offered a copper sleeve. That’s the price. In the process they will settle on brass or even synthetics
      1. +3
        April 5 2024 13: 56
        Quote: APASUS
        or even synthetic

        No... they've already tumbled with this and the crawl and breaststroke laughing ... even if we assume that the sleeve is not combustible, the plastic will still float. You can forget about fixing the sleeve with a ramp (without welt) feel - the steel/brass bottom must have a welt. In machine guns, this is generally a mess - the barrel is heated there, mother, don’t spoil it. There will be a crossbow. This sometimes happens with metal ones too. feel .
    3. +3
      April 6 2024 18: 42
      Quote: ratfly
      fantasies: “Give me a sleeve made of three metals!

      This is not a fantasy, but a cruel necessity. To penetrate a bulletproof vest, you need to accelerate the bullet more than the current ones; for this you need the pressure in the chamber to be significantly higher than the current one. And the increased pressure deforms the brass bottom of the sleeve; a steel bottom is needed. The same pressure pulls the chamber and the steel sleeve breaks, you need a brass one that stretches. We made the steel sleeve corrugated on the 6 mm cartridge. More details here:
      http://сватеев-ва.рф/ngsw.html
  3. +5
    April 5 2024 04: 52
    Mass-produced army weapons should be simple, reliable and lightweight. Everything else is from the evil one.
    1. +2
      April 6 2024 18: 45
      Quote: paul3390
      simple, reliable and lightweight

      And the weapon must penetrate body armor. Necessarily. More details here:
      http://сватеев-ва.рф/sib.html
  4. +9
    April 5 2024 05: 13
    35 and 15, it will be 50, not 40. Exam mathematicians! But this is a modern problem throughout the world, the stultification of biomass. In the article about Il-212, the author also believes that 2300 is 2 times more than 500...
    1. +3
      April 7 2024 12: 08
      Schwarzenegger was once asked how much 30+30 would be.
      The answer was received immediately - 73.
      The answer to the silent question was this: the bar still weighs 13 kg.)

      This is the math)))
  5. +3
    April 5 2024 05: 45
    A leap forward or a step back? New US Army rifle and machine gun

    It would seem: the United States is making a weapon, or rather a “weapon-sight” complex, which will be effective starting from 2 (TWO) kilometers. Moreover, the staffers honestly write that this is for a rare case of “confrontation between rifle units,” one of which has a PC as a heavy weapon, which is estimated to be effective from a kilometer away. Well, and body armor that needs to be penetrated.

    https://youtu.be/MTZRCEh1Czg

    Instead of seeing the school problem: how long will it take a unit with a PC (guess three times who the US people mean) to cover a kilometer (and what will be left of it) and be able to somehow begin to respond - it is proposed to laugh at the cartoon with Browning.

    I also suggest laughing at the sight, into which a laser rangefinder was shoved with the ability to automatically calculate the aiming point.

    https://youtu.be/f5YWXrZdNpA
    1. +9
      April 5 2024 08: 18
      I just can’t guess what kind of unit would go 2 km without covering enemy positions with artillery and mortars, which inflict 75 percent or more of losses on the enemy. Afghan Taliban? ISIS?
      They write correctly in the article: this shooter is for fighting against a machine gunner with a PC.
      1. +4
        April 5 2024 08: 42
        Apparently - to shoot something like an infantry line from the time of Frederick the Great.. For even in the Second World War - there were no longer any fools to attack at a distance of more than 300 meters.
      2. +1
        April 5 2024 23: 05
        That unit will go - whose drones will turn everything heavy into scrap metal.
    2. +4
      April 5 2024 09: 31
      It would seem: the United States is making a weapon, or rather a “weapon-sight” complex, which will be effective starting from 2 (TWO) kilometers

      Well, you came up with it. There is no talk of any “from 2 km” (or rather, up to 2 km).
      This shooting system expands the range of effective shooting at unprotected targets to 900 yards.
      But it is worth noting that in parallel a new single machine gun in 0.338 caliber will be introduced (for now there are two working options to choose from). Now he will expand the effective shooting range to 1,5 km.
      has a PC as a heavy weapon, which is estimated to be effective from a kilometer away. Well, and body armor that needs to be penetrated.

      Nobody dreams of breaking through body armor from 1 km. This is a condition for CQB distances, that is, up to 100 meters. Moreover, this point is a stumbling block, technically more difficult to achieve than accurate shooting at 800 meters.
      1. -1
        April 5 2024 10: 30
        Good afternoon!
        Regarding penetration of body armor - almost all sources indicated this, but without indicating the distance, so I did not write about the penetration distance.
        In terms of firing range, I can’t find it now, the Vortex website, IMHO, generally blocks requests from the Russian Federation. As soon as I find the range, I’ll write.
        1. +1
          April 5 2024 10: 36
          Welcome
          In terms of firing range, I can’t find it now, the Vortex website, IMHO, generally blocks requests from the Russian Federation. As soon as I find the range, I’ll write.

          The website of the manufacturer of the sighting system will not give you an answer about the range of actual fire)))
          1. -1
            April 5 2024 10: 40
            I found a 50-minute video from the manufacturer... I’ll write about it when I finish watching it.
          2. -1
            April 5 2024 10: 53

            https://youtu.be/y7NLMU1JZkY?t=1233
            They don’t say the maximum range... but there is an image “through the sight”, where there are marks “350” and “1344” and it seems that the reticle can “go” even further.
            1. +5
              April 5 2024 11: 00
              They don’t say the maximum range... but there is an image “through the sight”, where there are marks “350” and “1344” and it seems that the reticle can “go” even further.

              You are confusing the target range and the range of actual fire))
              You don’t need to watch the optics manufacturer’s video, but rather find the army requirements for the NGSW-R and NGSW-AR programs)))
              You will see that
              - suppress targets out to 3,900 ft (1,200 m);
              - accurately fire on targets out to 2,000 ft (610 m)
              1. -2
                April 5 2024 11: 08
                I found this, but I didn’t find the Vortex data itself. "1344" is clearly out of 1200 m.
                1. +6
                  April 5 2024 11: 15
                  I found this, but I didn’t find the Vortex data itself. "1344" is clearly out of 1200 m.

                  Forced to repeat myself
                  You are confusing the target range and the range of actual fire))

                  The fact that the Mosinka's open sight rear sight was calibrated to 2 km did not provide the ability to fire effectively at such a distance.
            2. 0
              April 12 2024 17: 12
              Well, to hell with these brands. So much Khokhlyatsky black soil will crawl into this garage door (the front of the sight) that you can forget about shooting for about 15 minutes until everything is picked out and wiped off. It was necessary to finish such a design. It is good on the training ground, in ideal conditions. But how are they going to fight with this sight? By the way, electronic. By the way, one of the conditions for installing a sight on the SVD was the possibility of shooting with an open sight.
    3. +2
      April 6 2024 19: 09
      Quote: Wildcat
      laser rangefinder

      And the laser rangefinder warns the target that they are aiming at it (of course, if the target has an radiation sensor, for example, from a laser tag kit). The laser rangefinder also unmasks its shooter (of course, if the enemy has a thermal imager in the range in which the rangefinder operates).
      Although, you are right that you can’t giggle at NGSW. We must prepare to fight him. Getting troops used to using radiation sensors is another challenge! This is the third year we have been fighting an enemy who uses laser rangefinders and target designators from tanks and UAVs, a laser path for ATGMs, but such radiation sensors were installed only on tanks!
      1. -1
        April 7 2024 21: 07
        The anti-tank gun is aimed at the tanks with a continuous beam, and the rangefinder is aimed at a fraction of a second; it will not be possible to see. And the sensor readings just mean that they shot at you - try to dodge the bullet.
        1. +2
          April 8 2024 17: 16
          Quote from Avis
          And the sensor readings just mean that you were shot.

          I didn’t shoot, but measured the range.
          Quote from Avis
          try to dodge the bullet.

          Why not dodge from a kilometer if the sensor warned you? Yes, and from 500 m too.
      2. +1
        April 8 2024 22: 52
        In fact, ATGMs are widely used against tanks that have/should have radiation sensors. What I mean is that it will still take quite a while for every soldier to realize this. But of course you need to think ahead.
    4. +3
      April 12 2024 05: 24
      Local collective farmers riding a cow can only laugh at the “stupid” Americans. They have been laughing for 35 years in a row, and NATO bases are already on the border and we are fighting with the Ukrainians, who completely obey the orders of the “stupid” “s”. All that remains is to clarify who is really “stupid”?
  6. +2
    April 5 2024 06: 27
    One can assume that time will judge everyone, but it may not... it’s not necessary that the minke whales intend/will be able to get into a new “Vietnam War”... and with a test of a smaller scale, you can’t verify much.
  7. 0
    April 5 2024 06: 54
    So what happens, the war in Ukraine was started only to dispose of old weapons and ammunition in anticipation of new models? Is Ukraine a trash bin?
  8. +6
    April 5 2024 06: 58
    It is interesting that Konstantin Konev, on his Youtube channel, said that the Americans ordered research in Russia for the “six”, since it is known that back in the USSR, complete successful tests of the 6*49, both the cartridge and several types of weapons for it, were carried out. Specifically, a semi-automatic rifle and a single machine gun.
    1. 0
      April 5 2024 09: 56
      It’s interesting that Konstantin Konev, on his Youtube channel, said that the Americans ordered research in Russia for the “six”

      Oh, a new weapon myth for me. Thank you.
      1. 0
        April 6 2024 19: 12
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        new weapon myth for me

        The myth about the 6 mm cartridge and weapons for it?
        1. 0
          April 8 2024 09: 30
          The myth about the 6 mm cartridge and weapons for it?

          Isn't it clear from my message what I called a myth?
          Americans ordered research in Russia for the "six"
  9. +2
    April 5 2024 07: 21
    The trend towards returning the main weapon of infantrymen from low-impulse intermediate cartridges (5,56) back to 7,62 began in some countries at the end of the XNUMXth century. It is in connection with the spread of SIBZ. When intermediate cartridges were introduced en masse, armored armor was a rarity among the troops in those years. And those that were available either held only fragments and penetrated with intermediate cartridges, or not They even made their way through with rifles, but moving around in them was problematic. Since then the situation has changed. The picture of the war is fundamentally changing. And sometimes it does it in a spiral. Just as machine guns replaced bolt guns, so they should be replaced by something, when the fighters are packed from head to toe in armor supported by exoskeletons...
    1. +5
      April 5 2024 08: 38
      It is precisely in connection with the spread of SIBZ

      Not really. And after Afghanistan. When it turned out that a couple of Basmachi with ancient Lee-Enfields could easily pin a squad with a machine gun and a rifle with low-pulse cartridges to the ground. Because there is simply nothing to answer at a long distance.
      1. +2
        April 5 2024 14: 02
        Quote: paul3390
        with the ancient Lee-Enfields

        Yes, I didn’t say that they were ancient feel . SMLE are the best rifles of their time and are still relevant today. And many Remington-type snipers are made on the basis of Mausers, etc.
        1. +2
          April 5 2024 14: 11
          Yes, it’s not about the rifle, but about the class of cartridges... Because with mosquitoes, it would be the same.
          1. +2
            April 5 2024 14: 23
            In part, yes, but SMLE is perhaps the fastest-firing in its class. Of course, there are Mannlichers and the like with a direct bolt, but they are too capricious and require a lot of effort when reloading. I don’t remember where it was mentioned... but a rifle platoon with SMLE trained could create a density of fire almost at the level of a heavy machine gun. + correct me if I’m wrong, for some, or maybe all, SMLEs, the shutter seems to rotate not 90 degrees, but less.

            Z.Y. I haven’t held it in my hands, but in the summer there is an option to go to the Czech Republic. I've been dreaming for a long time. And so only the pug and the infantry 98. By the way, what’s cool about the Maesurs is that you can remove the bolt from any rifle/carbine and put it on another and everything works perfectly. Then yes... you really understand what German quality is! Well, don't kick me - I'm not talking about that feel
            1. -1
              April 6 2024 19: 20
              Quote: paul3390
              a pair of Basmachi with ancient Lee-Enfields can easily pin a squad with a machine gun to the ground

              Then they wouldn’t switch from rifle cartridges to intermediate and low-pulse cartridges. And when we were there with the AK74, no two screws could press the compartment.
      2. 0
        April 12 2024 05: 27
        Wow! It turns out that a couple of Basmachi can pin an entire PKM chambered for a rifle cartridge to the ground with two rusty 40-year-old bolts! I have never heard such tales before.
    2. 0
      April 8 2024 17: 23
      Quote: Pushkowed
      It is precisely in connection with the spread of SIBZ

      Due to the lack of brains, or the presence of a desire to drink, among the high authorities.
      Because modern armor plates hold .338, and those that can hold 12,7 mm have appeared. But at the same time, an AK74 assault rifle will work more effectively than the 7,62 because it hits more often, and the armor plate is small and there is no need to penetrate it.
      1. 0
        April 12 2024 05: 31
        She holds 12.7, but the body behind this plate will still die 100%. The deformation of the slab is very large and rapid. With the chest there will be the same effect as if a fist were squeezed into the ribs in milliseconds to a depth of 10 cm. Not a single person will survive here.
        1. 0
          April 12 2024 07: 33
          Quote: cast iron
          The deformation of the slab is very large and rapid.

          The plate that holds the 1,27 mm is not deformed in any way by the 7,62 or .338.
        2. 0
          April 16 2024 14: 27
          Quote: cast iron
          the body behind this slab will still die 100%. The deformation of the slab is very large

          Not true. Armor protection is calculated so that the “body” behind it remains not just alive, but combat-ready. The armor manufacturer "Tehinkom..." constantly posts tests with a plasticine body model, for example, here:

          https://dzen.ru/tehinkom?utm_referrer=yandex.ru

          The Telegram from the Northern Military District zone is full of videos of people continuing to fight after being hit at point-blank range.
      2. 0
        April 16 2024 14: 18
        Quote: Droid
        the armor plate is small and there is no need to pierce it

        And our apologists for “leaving the Russian rifle as is” claim that we do not need weapons that penetrate the NIB, since the area of ​​the armored panel is approximately 0,0875 sq.m (0,25m * 0,35m - Fig. 2), and the projection area of ​​the height human figure 0,64 sq.m. That is, the armor covers only 15% of the human figure and therefore 85% of the bullets that hit the figure will miss the armor.

        But, the average point of impact (MPO) falls on the armored panel and therefore more bullets hit it than the limbs. After all, we teach shooters to increase the probability of a hit to calculate the sight and aiming point so that the STP is in the center of the target. And if the target is wearing a bulletproof vest, then the STP falls on the armored panel, which is exactly in the center of the target.

        Using a graphical method, I calculated the probability of an average machine gunner hitting an armored panel and a limb from an AK74 at ranges of 100 and 400 meters. Moreover, hits to the hands located in front of the armored panel were taken into account in hits both on the limbs and on the armor. As you can see, at a distance of 100m the probability of hitting the armor is 4,4 times (98%/22,43%) greater than hitting a limb - Fig. 3. Only at a range of 400m do these probabilities level out - Fig. 4. Thus, despite the fact that the area of ​​the figure is several times larger than the area of ​​the armor, the probability of hitting the limbs is several times less.

        http://сватеев-ва.рф/sib.html
        1. 0
          April 16 2024 20: 13
          When a person lives in his own world completely divorced from reality, he cannot have such fantasies. And now about the problems of your fantasies.
          1. Judging by the accuracy, it is not a soldier who shoots, but a biorobot, without fear or reproach, and therefore there are no shooting errors. There are two problems with this fantasy:
          a) a biorobot can perfectly shoot straight in the head and this will be the end of the BZ wearer. Just don’t tell stories that he won’t do this.
          b) In fact, the STP usually falls in the middle of the visible target, and the middle of the height is the belt, i.e. lower edge of the armor plate.

          2. The real statistics of hits is that 60-70% are on the extremities and 18-20% are in the head and neck. The rest is in a housing that is only partially closed. So your fantasies don’t clash with reality.
  10. +2
    April 5 2024 07: 22
    Oh how! It turns out that ours are already looking towards 6?? And when I wrote about this under such articles, all the experts here proved to me that we have enough of everything, our caliber is excellent and will last for a long time, and then they shone with their incomprehensible knowledge.
    America has the highest gun culture in the world, from the gun lobby in the government to the tens of millions of guns on hand! They know exactly what to do and how to do it and will make excellent samples. You can grin for a long time that this is not so and this is not that, but they are great with weapons, the second amendment does its job! Confirm my words with minuses
    1. -2
      April 6 2024 19: 28
      Quote: Vadim S
      They know exactly what to do and how to do it and will make excellent samples

      If only... Then you could stupidly wait and copy. But they were stupid before, here in the section “Feathered sabot projectile and bullet”

      http://сватеев-ва.рф/sib-istoria.html

      And now with NGSW they took the most primitive route and got rifle recoil, huge burst dispersion and problems with weapon survivability. More details here:

      http://сватеев-ва.рф/ngsw.html
  11. +4
    April 5 2024 09: 11
    As icing on the cake, all this can be complemented by the M157 Fire Control Optic, designed specifically for these two systems. Although this is not exactly a sight, or rather, not only a sight. “Fire control optics” is, in fact, eight-fold variable magnification optics, a ballistic calculator, a laser rangefinder, an atmospheric sensor... and a compass.


    A compass in the sight is extremely convenient. Allows you to quickly and clearly explain to others in the squad where the fighter saw the enemy in the spirit of “enemy at 135, 700 meters.”
    The built-in rangefinder, anenometer, barometer and temperature sensor will allow you to shoot at long distances much faster and more accurately (for an ordinary fighter).

    The issue of armor-piercing does not make much sense. Not the 5th, but the 6th class of plates will hold a bullet and still most of the body is not protected/armored only by Kevlar.

    The XM7 is an excellent weapon for desert theaters: for Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc.
    Where there are no such open spaces, the rifle can be excessively heavy and uncomfortable. The United States has a potential theater of operations all over the world with different climatic zones.
    If I were the Americans, I would adopt the XM7 for the infantry and leave the M4 so that the soldiers would train with both and if they were sent on a business trip, the command would decide what to take with them.
    1. 0
      April 5 2024 10: 39
      Have you seen body armor with the sixth grade somewhere?
      1. +3
        April 5 2024 14: 04
        According to the old classification, there is 6th grade, even 6a. Now it’s a new one - Br5.
    2. -4
      April 5 2024 11: 15
      The built-in rangefinder, anenometer, barometer and temperature sensor will allow you to shoot at long distances much faster and more accurately (for an ordinary fighter).

      And suddenly it all breaks down, or stupidly the battery runs out... "Volga!!"
      1. 0
        April 12 2024 05: 48
        Yeah, and suddenly the drone's battery ran out, the Hummer ran out of gas, the Starlink's battery died, and the Global Hawk ran out of fuel. And suddenly the constellation of satellites overhead ended. The collective farmer on the cow has only hope that the battery of the high-tech enemy will suddenly fail. Only in 99,9999% of cases the battery does not fail and the collective farmers get the worst of it.
    3. -1
      April 5 2024 23: 24
      But the M4 is not going to go anywhere - it will be used in parallel with the M7. These are weapons of different classes.
      1. +1
        April 5 2024 23: 46
        They are going to leave the M4 with the soldiers of the auxiliary units, they are going to transfer all the riflemen to the M7.
        Of the 450 thousand US Army personnel, 107 thousand will receive the M7, 13 thousand will receive the new M250 machine gun, the rest - soldiers of auxiliary units will remain with the M4.

        According to the staff, the Stryker squad has 9 people: 2 machine guns, 7 M7 rifles, two shooters, in addition to the rifle, also have an M320 grenade launcher.
        1. 0
          April 7 2024 21: 20
          Don't quote me from the comments to previous articles. I repeat, “these are weapons of different classes.” Don’t you think that all American forces were armed with M4s? M7 replaces M16, M27, etc. And even then SOCOM chooses its own machine gun. And they are looking for a replacement for the M4 (most likely from the same SIG).
    4. 0
      April 6 2024 19: 31
      Quote: Ivan Seversky
      The issue of armor-piercing does not make much sense.

      Has a special meaning. Here, look at the ratio of the probability of hitting a target with and without body armor:
      http://сватеев-ва.рф/sib.html
  12. +4
    April 5 2024 10: 11
    Apparently, other muzzle devices (for example, a muzzle brake-compensator) are simply not provided

    actually
    A special shot silencer is installed on the muzzle of the barrel, which also plays the role of a flame arrester and muzzle brake.
    1. +2
      April 5 2024 23: 11
      “In fact,” the M7 has a completely normal flash suppressor, which is the platform for the quick-release muffler. This is already the third article “on the topic” and still the same reluctance of the authors to become at least a little familiar with the topic. Complete fantasies.
  13. +2
    April 5 2024 10: 26
    For this amount, 15 machine guns and 35 rifles were supplied. Yes, yes, that's right, 40 units

    It’s difficult for me to take seriously the conclusions of a person who makes such mistakes (I’m not talking about 15+35≠40, actually, it happens to everyone, I’m talking about negligence and careless attitude)
  14. +5
    April 5 2024 11: 30
    Quote: novel xnumx
    The built-in rangefinder, anenometer, barometer and temperature sensor will allow you to shoot at long distances much faster and more accurately (for an ordinary fighter).

    And suddenly it all breaks down, or stupidly the battery runs out... "Volga!!"


    Without a battery, it works simply as a scope with variable magnification 1-8
  15. 0
    April 5 2024 11: 36
    Quote: Sunrise
    Have you seen body armor with the sixth grade somewhere?


    It turned out I took the old GOST (where 5th class is AK, 6th SVD), according to the new 5th class from SVD, there really are no other body armor, but I’m not at all sure that a heavy body armor is useful for everyday wear, losses - then mainly from projectiles/FPV drones, and then either light body armor and fast legs will save you, or nothing will save you.
    1. +1
      April 5 2024 14: 07
      At least respond, colleague, in response to the post, and not to the topic itself. As a result, for example, I wrote above to the person without seeing your post. request hi
    2. +1
      April 5 2024 19: 56
      Well, yes, a light armored armor with a polyethylene plate and a fragmentation suit, a helmet with a large area covered and ballistic glasses...
      At least it should save you from wogs and offensive grenades.
    3. 0
      April 6 2024 19: 36
      Quote: Ivan Seversky
      according to the new 5th class from SVD

      According to the new GOST 34286-2017, there is a class Br6- from 12,7 mm. And “Techinkom. Armor protection...” already has such a plate. In Zen they have a channel where this plate is shown.
      1. 0
        April 12 2024 05: 50
        While there is no mass exoskeleton, there is no point in this armor plate - zero point, zero tenth.
        1. 0
          April 16 2024 14: 31
          Quote: cast iron
          There is no mass-produced exoskeleton yet

          The weight of the Br6 plate protecting against 12,7 mm is only half a kilo more than the standard one in Ratnik. We remove half a kilo of some other cargo and the fighter will not notice the difference.
  16. +4
    April 5 2024 11: 50
    But the question arises with the mass of portable ammunition. Again, despite all the “dancing with a tambourine” around the “composite” cartridge case, fighters with the M7 and M250 will have to carry almost full-size rifle cartridges with the corresponding weight and dimensions.

    Hihx... in Shooting Some Sacred Cows (based on real events, a comic history of the evolution of the American rifle from the 20s of the last century) it is well described how the infantry constantly whined about the need to return to .30 with any decrease in the caliber or power of the cartridge.
    Fortunately, we heard that we are going back to 7.62mm by 1970

    Fortunately, we heard that we were going back to 7.62mm by 1980.

    It's just temporary anyway. We'll be back to 7.62mm by 1990.

    Fuck you all! We're back to 7.62mm in 2000.

    Guys, I'm so glad we're going back to 7.62mm for 2010. Well, or at the worst, 6.8mm, which the shavers came up with after WWII...

    Well - Dreams Come True. smile

    There was also something about the German trace in American programs:
    Army; Colt, why don't you give us what we want? So we will go to Heckler und Koch! They promised us all this with a 12-inch barrel, a hundred-round grenade launcher and a weight of 5 pounds!
    H und K: Ya-ya, it weighs 25, as we agreed. 25 kilograms, me. Three charges into a grenade launcher, like a pistol without a sight.
    Army: Man, we started the SPIW program in 1960. 40 years have passed, and now it is called OICW. Is this all we have achieved?
    X und K: Me, me! Tafay us more money!
  17. +6
    April 5 2024 13: 37
    That is, they do not just come with the weapon, but are intended to be used constantly, and, apparently, other muzzle devices (for example, a muzzle brake-compensator) are simply not provided. It seems like nothing of the kind, but even so the not-small weapon becomes even larger, and such a lack of variability on a rifle, and especially on a machine gun, looks somehow strange.

    They look great. During the SVO, everyone unanimously praises the fact that the “can” is a mandatory component, plus sights. When you don’t need to buy anything (at your own expense) expensive sights, make adapters, it’s just a holiday. This is not a minus, but fat plus.
  18. +2
    April 5 2024 15: 23
    All promising shooting systems do not appear in the world out of nowhere; it is difficult to obtain a powerful cartridge with a small impulse, but it seems that the Zigovites have succeeded in something, now years will pass until it becomes clear whether this is luck or not. It is difficult to judge a weapon even from a detailed article, and even in relation to an army weapon there is complete uncertainty. The only fact is that the Americans have nevertheless crossed the line of a small-caliber, low-pulse cartridge towards increasing the caliber for better penetration. This could create a number of problems for a potential enemy in the person of Russia and China, but no one can say now whether this weapon will be revolutionary or not.
    1. 0
      April 5 2024 15: 49
      Regarding the rifle, the concept itself turned out to be controversial, it turns out they went for
      1 increase in rifle weight
      2 increase in the dispersion diameter of automatic fire compared to the M-16
      3 reduction in ammunition
      4 an increase in pressure in the cartridge by 25;% required the use of an unusual sleeve
      5, the relatively short barrel required the use of a muffler, also known as a flame arrester, since the gunpowder does not have time to completely burn in the shortened barrel
      and all this for the sake of confidently penetrating body armor at an increased range!!!, obviously the emphasis is on single fire at long distances.
      1. +2
        April 5 2024 23: 32
        Automatic fire is reserved for close combat, where dispersion is a plus. For long-range - accurate single fire. This means there is no need for a huge ammunition supply. The short barrel is a consequence of the use of fast-burning gunpowder. And the muffler fit into the saved length (a bonus, not a necessity). With a silencer 2 cm shorter than the AK74, and not the gigantomania fantasized by the author.
        1. 0
          April 6 2024 20: 16
          Here you can see how the machine gunner and the machine gun are sausage:
    2. 0
      April 6 2024 19: 45
      Quote: Romanenko
      It’s difficult to get a powerful cartridge with a small impulse, but it looks like the Zigovites succeeded,

      They didn't succeed. No one has yet succeeded in deceiving physics. The arrow and machine gun literally wobble, especially when shooting from above it is clearly visible. The calculation is here:
      http://сватеев-ва.рф/ngsw.html
  19. +1
    April 5 2024 16: 06
    For this amount, 15 machine guns and 35 rifles were supplied. Yes, yes, that’s right, 40 units.

    I was quite surprised at this arithmetic
  20. +3
    April 5 2024 16: 33
    6.8×51mm is a new intermediate cartridge for small arms.
    A sleeve made of three metals. During the Second World War, the USSR abandoned brass sleeves; the metal was in short supply.
    Let's remember the 1916 Fedorov assault rifle chambered for the Japanese 6.5mm Arisaka cartridge.
    The Japanese cartridge was “semi-flange” (6,5×50SR - Semi Rimed), i.e. had a sleeve with a groove and a flange that slightly protruded beyond the sleeve dimensions.
    Was it really more than 100 years ago that Fedorov chose the optimal intermediate cartridge for a machine gun?
    1. +3
      April 5 2024 17: 54
      Quote: dragon772
      Was it really more than 100 years ago that Fedorov chose the optimal intermediate cartridge for a machine gun?

      He created it by shooting many variants of cartridges, as I understand it, gradually reducing the power. Well, the fact that it turned out to be almost the same but not the same cartridge is due to national pride, it’s a shame to blow it in the war, and then completely tear the cartridge. They remade the already finished machine gun for Arisaka later, and, as I understand it, without touching the automatic machine at all, but by adjusting the sleeves to slightly different transitions.
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      2. 0
        April 9 2024 17: 22
        The production model was specifically chambered for the Arisaku cartridge. Conversions for others are not known.
        1. 0
          April 10 2024 05: 41
          Quote: dragon772
          The production model was precisely chambered for the Arisaku cartridge.

          But before the serial one there were experienced ones with the original cartridge, I’m talking about them. As far as I know, they drilled out the chamber and inserted a liner under the Arisakov cartridge and nothing else, neither the springs nor the automatics were modified, and this is an indication that the cartridges had similar energy.
    2. +1
      April 6 2024 19: 49
      In 1936, Fedorov developed our completely new intermediate cartridge. A good article just came out in Kalashnikov magazine.
      https://www.kalashnikov.ru/perevorot-v-istorii-sovetskij-promezhutochnyj-patron-1936-goda/
      1. 0
        April 7 2024 14: 15
        Quote: Svateev
        A good article just came out in Kalashnikov magazine.

        Thank you! But I think I rather suggested it. Although there is no continuation yet, maybe it has come to testing.
  21. -3
    April 5 2024 17: 05
    The “six” problem will be solved by a caseless, multi-section, multi-bullet cartridge. The use of it will make it possible to give modern automatic combat weapons an extremely high rate of fire. The problem of barrel and chamber cooling is solved by a RF patent, which is known to all designers of arms factories. (published in the register of inventions) Lightweight weapon automation will also work with the help of the vacuum generated by the operation of the MDEU, which simultaneously ensures noiseless, flameless shooting and retention weapons on the line of fire due to the gyroscopic effect.
    1. 0
      April 6 2024 19: 54
      I don’t even want to talk about caseless, multi-sectional and multi-bullet...
      But a gyroscope is an extremely typical proposal for a novice inventor. How are you going to re-target a weapon if the gyroscope is holding it?
  22. -3
    April 5 2024 17: 26
    Well, the crazy money needs to be spent somewhere - they managed to think of transferring the armed forces to a new weapon with a new cartridge - but what should NATO countries and the other six do? tongue
    1. +1
      April 6 2024 00: 04
      Only you don’t have to pour in as much money as you want (and even shovel it on secret items), but foam at the mouth to prove to harmful senators the need for every dollar. And then also report to them - where did he go?
  23. 0
    April 5 2024 19: 50
    The Americans have a more interesting .338 caliber bullet. They fit it into 10 kg (the British also make a machine gun in this caliber, but theirs is heavier), which means it can still be a normal single machine gun, and 2 crew members will carry an acceptable amount of ammunition... PPE is developing very quickly, already now at distances of 400-500 they can hold a rifle bullet. Not much time will pass, literally 5-10 and 3-line cartridges, both ours and Western ones, will stop taking armored vehicles. And since snipers are switching to caliber 338, there is no point in inventing something, it needs to be unified. Simply release them cheaper. Develop modern armor-piercing, tracer and armor-piercing incendiary cartridges.
    A couple of years ago I assumed that this was the future, and only recently found out that such machine guns are being tested in the USA and Britain...
    And these must be single machine guns - that is, they are installed on all military equipment.
    7,62 can probably be left to the border guards, the National Guard and other FSF officers, that is, those who are not planned to be used against well-equipped army units of developed countries...
    1. 0
      April 6 2024 11: 51
      The .338 weighs twice as much as the 7,62x54. Those. 2 people will carry half as much ammunition. The essence of a machine gun is suppressive fire. The effectiveness of fire suppression is directly proportional to the number of bullets fired during the battle. Who in their right mind would accept a new weapon that performs its function twice as well as the old one? Only saturating the army with robotic porters, such as the mule from Boston Dynamics, will correct the situation. What will happen not in the near future, within 5-10 years, but in 25-50 years.
      Quote: Georgy Sviridov
      Not much time will pass, literally 5-10 and 3-line cartridges, both ours and Western ones, will stop taking armored vehicles

      There are no prerequisites for this. The material limit has almost been reached. The plates already protect against bullets, but what good is it if in “defense” (lying down or in a trench) they do not protect at all, and in “offensive” they provide a tiny area of ​​protection (taking into account the additional rotation of the body for shooting)? Unless some nanotubes will allow a sharp increase in the protection area. But this is not a matter of the near future, but of a period of 50-100 years.
      1. +2
        April 6 2024 19: 59
        Quote: Passing by
        The plates already protect against bullets, but what good is that?

        Between 50 and 80% of bullets hit body armor. Although it is a small area. The calculation is here:
        http://сватеев-ва.рф/sib.html
        1. 0
          April 8 2024 17: 38
          Of course this is not true. And they told you why this is not so and gave you the test results. But you choose to ignore it.
          1. 0
            April 16 2024 14: 36
            Quote: Droid
            And they told you why this is not so and the test results were given

            Who and when “spoke and brought”? Bring it again, please.
            And since when do you not recognize the graphical method of calculation that I used?
      2. 0
        April 17 2024 16: 54
        Well, that’s why they teach you to shoot while wearing body armor either without turning the body or with minimal turning.
        The fighters will destroy 2 times less BC... Well, plus or minus, yes. But firstly, a significant part of the machine guns are installed on vehicles. Secondly, there will be less ammunition, but due to a more powerful cartridge, the fire efficiency will sharply increase. That is, the parapet of a trench, even thick wood, brickwork of one and a half bricks, will no longer be sufficient protection. That is, it will be possible to complete the combat mission with fewer ammunition, maybe not 50%, but still. The effectiveness of defeating lightly armored vehicles and the range of their destruction will increase. When the unit is on the defensive, the BC problem is generally not so acute; the BC can be moved to the main and reserve positions in advance.
        Yes, especially during the assault, there may be some problems, well, that means the commander will give the machine gunners another fighter who will carry them an additional ammo. You can find a strong guy who can carry a couple more boxes... This is a purely organizational issue.
        But there will be a serious fire weapon capable of reliably hitting an enemy in PPE at a distance of up to 500-600 meters, and even with the development of PPE, a range of 300-400 meters will be quite relevant...
        And suppressive fire can be organized through the widespread introduction of high-capacity magazines of proper reliability and light machine guns at the level of each squad.
        Machine guns chambered for 7,62 mm cartridges will, of course, remain in the paramilitary police, in some light units, such as mountain brigades, border service, perhaps some special forces units - that is, where it is not planned to fight with armored infantry and equipment or where in reality there may be a need to carry a shitload of armored vehicles on yourself, and then fight for a long time in isolation from the main forces. But this is a tiny fraction of the total.
  24. +1
    April 5 2024 20: 32
    The M7 lost those advantages for which the 5,56x45 mm ammunition and the M16 rifle, and then the M4 carbine, were created - the low weight of portable ammunition and the compactness and lightness of the weapon itself.
    So the conditions under which the low-pulse cartridge appeared have disappeared. Power is no longer excessive due to body armor, and range is no longer excessive due to optics. But I wouldn’t bother with a new caliber, but would make a new cartridge with improved ballistics in the same dimensions (7.62x51). This would allow stocks of old cartridges to be used outside of war and would save on upgrading equipment from cartridge factories. And the replacement of PKM and SVD should be done with Lapua Magnum, so as not to completely drain the new Western rifle.
  25. +1
    April 5 2024 22: 02
    Fire Control Optic is not a fire control optic, but a fire control optic.
    1. +1
      April 6 2024 10: 47
      If one side of the conflict suddenly has a reinforced cartridge that will confidently penetrate existing body armor at any range, then the other side makes no sense in inventing armored vehicles with even higher levels of protection and even greater weight and smaller area. , the second side makes sense to switch to a lower degree of protection, but lighter and larger area, and by reducing the weight of the protection to increase its ammunition load. In such a situation, it is not clear which side will win more, but definitely the second side will use other weapons at ranges above average... and in general the very desire to give a soldier a single cartridge is similar to the desire to give a carpenter a single nail for all cases
      1. +2
        April 6 2024 12: 11
        Quote: agond
        If one side of the conflict suddenly has a reinforced cartridge that will confidently penetrate existing body armor at any range

        Then she will not win a single war. If you do not take into account some specific conditions, then battles at long ranges do not win the war. An army of snipers is an army of trench warfare. The war is won by the soldier who occupies an enemy trench (city, country). Those. assault and close combat are required. Those. automatic fire is mandatory, protection is mandatory. Those. a balance is needed between the weight of the protection and the weight of the carried ammunition. And this balance, for the current level of development of materials and technologies, has already been achieved. Only new materials, technologies and design solutions (for example, sub-caliber weapons with a smooth barrel) will allow us to go further.
        1. +1
          April 6 2024 20: 06
          Quote: Passing by
          for example, sub-caliber weapons

          Exactly. Only reducing the weight of the bullet will significantly increase its speed with acceptable recoil, and sub-caliber will allow maintaining acceptable pressure in the chamber with increased bullet speed. More details here:
          http://сватеев-ва.рф/sib-teorija.html
          1. +1
            April 6 2024 23: 36
            Quote: Svateev
            sub-caliber - maintain acceptable pressure in the chamber at increased bullet speed.

            ]sub-caliber is the simplest solution, but not the most effective because it requires increasing - changing the caliber and further along the spectrum. To increase the throwing speed, it would be more correct to change the internal ballistics, namely, organize the combustion of gunpowder in the barrel so as to reduce the maximum pressure at the initial moment of the shot and slow down its fall at the end. This requires that the burning surface area of ​​the powder particles increase during the combustion process, and not decrease as is usually the case in rifle cartridges. , that is, we need gunpowder with a progressive combustion characteristic. This can be achieved in different ways, for example, by giving the grains of gunpowder a special shape and ultimately obtaining an initial speed for the 5 .45x39 cartridge of about 1000 m/s, the capabilities of gunpowder are far from exhausted
            1. 0
              April 16 2024 14: 42
              Quote: agond
              get an initial speed for the 5 .45x39 cartridge of about 1000 m/s,

              Now the initial speed of 5,45 and 5,56 mm is equal to 900 and 930 m/s. An increase to 1000 m/s will give such a small increase in penetration that there is no point in bothering. But we will get an increase in returns. All you need to do is switch to a sub-caliber bullet.
          2. 0
            April 8 2024 23: 24
            I heard somewhere that one of the main problems with sub-caliber bullets is the pallets (maybe I named them incorrectly, I mean those things that are affected by powder gases, due to which the bullet, which is small in cross-section, accelerates). That they are not safe for their own soldiers standing next to them in front, or that they can set something on fire, etc.
            1. 0
              April 16 2024 14: 45
              Quote: Szerg
              one of the main problems with sub-caliber bullets is pallets

              It's described here:
              http://сватеев-ва.рф/sib-cniitm.html
  26. 0
    April 8 2024 16: 35
    Extremely strange technical solutions for the sleeve. Here it is rather necessary to strive for isobaric-isothermal combustion, add gas-generating polymers to the powder, change the design of the primer with increasing depth and decreasing the diameter of the ignition zone. It is clear that such solutions require extensive chemistry, physics and mathematics for implementation, but where can we get this under the current Bologna system?
  27. 0
    April 10 2024 19: 03
    The main “testing ground” for testing the already adopted M7 tandem
    Oil oil - approbation and there is acceptance-approval
    Many people confuse approbation with testing, that is, testing. This is wrong. Approbation - (lat. approbatio approval, recognition)
    1. 0
      April 11 2024 19: 45
      Even the simple use of an elongated primer so that the gunpowder is ignited not where everyone is accustomed, at the very bottom of the cartridge case, but, say, in the area of ​​​​the “aft” of the bullet will lead to more complete combustion of the gunpowder in the barrel of the weapon and thereby increase the efficiency of the shot.