Bomber and missile-carrying aircraft of the Chinese fleet

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Bomber and missile-carrying aircraft of the Chinese fleet

Just 15 years ago, the Chinese maritime aviation was mainly equipped with attack aircraft of older types. In service were early modifications of the N-6 long-range bomber (a copy of the Tu-16), which, in addition to free-falling bombs, torpedoes and sea mines, could carry very large subsonic anti-ship missiles.

Very numerous in naval aviation were the obsolete N-5 bombers and torpedo bombers (a copy of the Il-28), as well as the Q-5 jet attack aircraft (designed on the basis of the J-6 fighter, which is a clone of the MiG-19). Also in the PLA Navy aviation there were approximately two dozen new JH-7 bombers, which had in their arsenal modern anti-ship missiles created on the basis of Western models.



In parallel with the quantitative and qualitative strengthening of surface and underwater fleet In the PRC, naval strike aircraft were improved. Modernized versions of the N-6 missile carriers, equipped with new economical engines and modern missiles, have entered service. The rare H-5 bombers and Q-5 attack aircraft have retired. Chinese admirals entrusted counteraction to enemy fleets and support for landing operations in the near zone to the modernized JH-7A front-line bombers.

Anti-ship missiles are also included in the armament of the J-10, J-11, J-15 and Su-30MK2 fighters, but fighters will be discussed in the next part of the series, dedicated to Chinese naval aviation.

Currently, missile-carrying aircraft of the PLA Navy are one of the most important means of combating enemy warships. Naval aviation carriers account for about 30% of the anti-ship missiles available in the fleet. Chinese naval aviation has the ability to rely on a developed airfield network; about half of the paved runways are located along the coast at a depth of up to 700 km from the coastline.

Long-range bombers and missile carriers N-6


At the end of the 1950s, despite the deterioration of relations between the countries, the Soviet Union handed over to China a package of documentation for the serial construction of the Tu-16, the latest long-range bomber for that time. As part of an intergovernmental agreement, Beijing ordered 20 finished aircraft, but until June 1960, when Soviet specialists stopped supporting this project and cooperation in this area was stopped, the PRC received two standard bombers and seven disassembled aircraft.

In September 1959, the first Chinese-made long-range bomber was tested in the air. In the PLA Air Force, the Soviet Tu-16 received the designation Hōng-6 (N-6).


Serial construction of the H-6 was carried out at an enterprise in the city of Xi'an, which is now part of the aircraft manufacturing corporation Xi'an Aircraft Company (XAC).

The Chinese aviation industry was able to produce fuselage parts, but big problems arose with mastering the production of AM-3 turbojet engines, complex components, assemblies and electronic equipment. It was not until 1969 that a bomber made entirely of Chinese parts, designated the H-6A, entered mass production. But due to economic and technological difficulties at the initial stage of production, production of the N-6A was carried out at a very low rate. As of 1974, there were 32 N-6 bombers (assembled from Soviet components) and N-6A bombers in service.


In the 1970s, the Chinese aviation industry was in decline, and few aircraft of the H-6 family were built, and a significant part of the bombers available to the troops were faulty. After overcoming the consequences of the Cultural Revolution, by 1986, through heroic efforts, about 140 long-range bombers, reconnaissance and electronic warfare aircraft were put into operation.

Bombers of the H-6 family are still an important part of the Chinese nuclear triad and serve in naval aviation. And although in Russia the Tu-16 was taken out of service more than 30 years ago, the production of the latest versions of the N-6 continued until recently, and modernization is still underway.


Google Earth satellite image: H-6 and Y-20 aircraft at the finished product site of the XAS plant in Xi'an

Regular use of N-6B long-range reconnaissance aircraft in the interests of the PLA Navy began in 1980. Vehicles of this type were used for long-range patrol flights over ocean expanses and aerial photography of disputed islands in the South China Sea.

In 1981, the first missile carrier N-6D, capable of carrying two YJ-6 anti-ship missiles, entered service. For the use of guided missiles weapons the aircraft has undergone significant modifications. The avionics included a Type 245 search radar with a fire control system and an antenna radome in the lower front part of the cabin.


To compensate for the increased mass and increased drag, the defensive artillery installation was preserved only in the rear part.

The YJ-6 anti-ship missile, created on the basis of the Soviet P-15 missile, had a jet engine running on TG-02 liquid fuel (Tonka-250) and an AK-20K oxidizer (based on nitrogen oxides).


The curb weight of the missile carrying a 500 kg armor-piercing high-explosive warhead was 2 kg. Targeting was carried out by an active radar seeker. The maximum flight speed at an altitude of 440 m is up to 500 km/h. The flight to the target at the final stage could be programmed at altitudes of 1, 080 or 500 m. The firing range initially did not exceed 100 km.

In the late 1980s, modernization was carried out, and the YJ-6K missile with a new guidance system in a simple jamming environment had a 90% hit probability. The firing range at a destroyer-type target has increased to 110 km. Later modifications of the YJ-6K were equipped with built-in active radar jamming equipment.

The next cruise missile in this family, which appeared a little later, was designated YJ-61. Thanks to the increase in the volume of fuel tanks and the use of a more powerful ARL seeker, it was possible to fire at large targets at a distance of up to 200 km. However, to achieve such a launch range, the carrier aircraft had to fly at high altitude, which made it easier to detect and intercept, and the capabilities of the Type 245 search radar were at the limit.


YJ-61 missile under the wing of an N-6D

The N-6D missile carriers, armed with YJ-6K and YJ-61 anti-ship missiles, have long remained the main striking force of Chinese long-range naval aviation. But due to the obsolescence of the avionics and weapons of the N-6D aircraft, in 1999 the production of the improved N-6N missile carrier with a new on-board radar system and YJ-63 anti-ship missiles began. After the start of mass deliveries of N-6N aircraft, some of the N-6Ds were converted into tankers.

The YJ-63 air-to-surface cruise missile is equipped with a turbojet engine and is capable of hitting both ground and surface targets with high accuracy. Externally, it retained many of the features of previous anti-ship missile models created on the basis of the Soviet P-15, and partially borrowed their on-board equipment.


YJ-63 missile under the wing of an N-6N aircraft

The YJ-63's firing range is approximately 200 km. At the initial stage of the flight, the rocket is controlled by an inertial system, at the middle stage correction occurs using satellite navigation, and at the final stage a television guidance system is used. There is also a version of the missile with an active radar seeker. Western sources claim that the YJ-63 can carry a nuclear warhead with a yield of 20–90 kt.

In 2005, the operational squadrons of the PLA Navy received H-6G missile carriers, equipped with new electronic warfare equipment and capable, in addition to YJ-63 missiles, of carrying new YJ-83K anti-ship missiles with a turbojet engine. About 10 years later, the YJ-12 supersonic missile was introduced into the armament of these aircraft.

The YJ-83K anti-ship missile has a launch weight of about 800 kg and a launch range of up to 250 km. The weight of the missile warhead is 185 kg.


Chinese sources write that the YJ-83K uses a noise-resistant radar seeker with a wide scanning field, which is designed to increase resistance to active and passive interference and increase the likelihood of hitting the target. During the cruising phase, satellite navigation is used along with the inertial system, and the flight altitude is controlled by a laser altimeter.

Externally, the first Chinese air-launched supersonic anti-ship missile, the YJ-12, resembles an enlarged Russian aircraft missile, the X-31.


The YJ-12 is approximately 7 meters long, 600 mm in diameter, and weighs 2 kg. There is no information about the YJ-500's guidance system, but most likely it uses an active radar seeker. According to unconfirmed reports, the YJ-12 anti-ship missile, equipped with a 12-kg warhead, is capable of hitting surface targets at a range of up to 300 km. Maximum flight speed is about 300 km/h.

The H-6K missile carrier, which appeared in 2007, differed from previous modifications in appearance by a different cabin, with an opaque front part. The radically modernized aircraft received new electronic equipment and avionics copied from Western models, including a “glass cockpit.” In the place where the navigator used to be located, in the bow of the cabin, a powerful radar is installed. The most significant innovation was the use of the Russian D-30KP-2 turbofan engine, and later its improved Chinese clone WS-18. The crew was reduced to 4 people.


This modification became purely missile-carrying; a non-removable fuel tank was installed in place of the bomb bay, which, in combination with more economical engines, provided a combat radius of up to 3 km without refueling in the air; with refueling, the flight range increases by about another 500 km. Maximum speed – 2 km/h. Cruising - 500 km/h. Under each wing there are three nodes for suspension of cruise missiles. An electronic warfare station is located at the site of the defensive rear firing point.


Based on the H-6K, the H-6J naval missile carrier was created, equipped with a powerful radar for scanning the water surface and an electronic reconnaissance station adapted for detecting ship radars.


A few years ago, Chinese television showed the H-6J naval missile carrier, armed with four YJ-12 supersonic anti-ship missiles. The PLA Navy also has several HD-6 electronic warfare aircraft, which are similar in airframe and engines to the H-6K, but do not carry missile weapons.


Google Earth satellite image: N-6 aircraft at the Yalanshi PLA Naval Air Base on Hainan Island

According to reference data, as of 2021, the PLA Navy had up to 40 aircraft of the H-6 family. This number includes electronic warfare aircraft, tankers and H-6G/J missile carriers.

JH-7 supersonic missile-carrying bombers


For more than 50 years, the main Chinese front-line bomber was the H-5, which was also used in naval aviation as a carrier of mines and torpedoes. Although the subsonic N-5, which appeared simultaneously with the MiG-15 fighter, was outdated by the early 1970s, there was nothing to replace it in the PRC at that time. The cessation of military-technical cooperation with the USSR and the general degradation of knowledge-intensive and high-tech industries of Chinese industry did not allow the creation of a modern attack aircraft.

The matter moved from a dead point in the early 1980s, when, against the backdrop of anti-Sovietism, China established allied relations with the United States, and the Chinese aircraft industry gained access to advanced Western technologies.

The appearance of the new Chinese attack aircraft JH-7 Flying Leopard, produced at the Xi'an aircraft plant, was greatly influenced by the American multi-role heavy fighter McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II. Moreover, the avionics of the supersonic JH-7 bomber included analogues of the electronic systems of American combat aircraft captured in Vietnam. The first series of Flying Leopards were equipped with Chinese licensed versions of the Rolls-Royce Spey Mk. 202, which was originally intended to equip the carrier-based Phantoms of the Royal Navy.

The JH-7 bomber, which is actually a functional analogue of the Soviet Su-24, became the first Chinese strike aircraft designed from scratch. At the same time, its design contained many components, elements and systems created on the basis of Western models.

The JH-7 first flew in 1988. Serial “Flying Leopards” entered combat squadrons of the PLA Air Force in the mid-1990s. Although the aircraft designation contains an abbreviation that stands for Jiān Hōng - fighter bomber - this is a machine designed exclusively for striking ground and surface targets, in many respects close in this regard to the F-4 Phantom II aircraft.

The first modification of the JH-7 bomber had a maximum take-off weight of 27 kg, which is comparable to the maximum weight of the Phantom (500 kg). Due to its purely strike specificity, the two-seat “Flying Leopard” was significantly inferior in maximum speed to the British F-23M Phantom FGR. Mk 764, which could be used as an interceptor and accelerated to 4 km/h at high altitude, while the speed of the JH-2 was limited to 2 km/h.

At low altitude, the F-4M also had an advantage over the JH-7 (1 km/h versus 450 km/h). The flight range of both vehicles was approximately equal (without PTB - 1-200 km, ferry with PTB - 2-300 km). In terms of combat load, the Flying Leopard was slightly superior to the British Phantom (2 kg versus 600 kg).

Although the process of mastering the JH-7 attack aircraft in combat units was very difficult and was accompanied by flight accidents, this aircraft became in many ways a milestone for Chinese combat aviation and raised it to a new level of development.

In particular, it was the JH-7 bombers that were first adapted to the new relatively compact solid-fuel anti-ship missile YJ-8, which was strikingly different from the previous, more airplane-like, bulky Chinese anti-ship missiles created on the basis of the P-15.


YJ-8K anti-ship missile suspension for JH-7 bomber

Experts believe that the creation of the YJ-8 missile, which entered service in the mid-1980s, became possible after Chinese specialists gained access to the French Exocet anti-ship missile system and became familiar with the solid fuel recipe.

The YJ-8 anti-ship missile system is made according to a normal aerodynamic design with a folding cross-shaped delta wing of low aspect ratio (in the middle part) and control planes (located in the rear part of the rocket). The body has a cylindrical shape with an ogival bow.


The YJ-8K anti-ship missile, intended for use from aircraft, weighed 610 kg. The mass of the armor-piercing high-explosive warhead is 165 kg. Length – 5,814 m. Body diameter – 0,36 m. Wing span – 1,18 m. Flight speed – about 300 m/s. The flight altitude on the marching section is 50 m. During the attack on the target, it decreases to 5–7 m. The firing range when launched from an altitude of 8 m reached 500 km. During the march, an inertial control system was used; at the final stage of the flight, an active radar homing head was turned on.

The JH-7 aircraft, built in quantities of at least 50 units, were actually in trial operation. In 2004, an improved modification of the JH-7A Flying Leopard II, armed with longer-range anti-ship missiles, entered service.


The modernized JH-7A received new, much more powerful and reliable engines, a Chinese-developed radar, a satellite navigation system, and suspended containers with electronic warfare, radar and target designation equipment. The range of weapons has been expanded, the number of hardpoints has been increased to 11. The combat load has been increased to 8 kg.

Due to the fact that the solid-fuel jet engine did not provide the required firing range, the YJ-8 and YJ-82 missiles, equipped with compact turbojet engines, were created on the basis of the YJ-83.

The YJ-82A air-launched anti-ship missile has a range of up to 180 km. The launch weight of the rocket is about 700 kg. Speed ​​– about 900 km/h. The flight altitude during the marching phase is 20–30 m; before attacking the target, the missile drops to a height of 5–7 meters and performs an anti-aircraft maneuver. The armor-piercing high-explosive warhead weighs 165 kg. Its detonation after penetrating the hull can cause heavy damage to a destroyer-class ship.

The YJ-83K missile, which is also part of the armament of the N-6G/J long-range missile carriers, is an improved version of the YJ-82A. The YJ-83K anti-ship missile system uses a modern element base, thanks to which it was possible to reduce the volume occupied by electronic units by 25%. This made it possible to increase the mass of the warhead and the capacity of the fuel tank.

In addition to the YJ-82 and YJ-83 anti-ship missiles, the JH-7A’s armament includes YJ-701 (S-701) and YJ-704 (S-704) air-to-surface missiles, suitable for hitting boats and small-displacement vessels.


With a launch weight of 117–160 kg, these missiles carry warheads weighing 29–48 kg and have television or radar guidance. Firing range – up to 35 km.

The latest modification of the Flying Leopard is the JH-7AII. This aircraft is equipped with a new radar with an increased detection range of surface targets, as well as more advanced electronic warfare equipment and is armed with YJ-91 supersonic anti-ship missiles.


Chinese authors write that the source of inspiration for the creation of the YJ-91 anti-ship missile for Chinese designers was the Soviet X-31 missile.


The YJ-91 missile has a mass of about 600 kg. Length – 4,7 m. Diameter – 0,36 m. Speed ​​– 3,5 M. Range – up to 150 km. The warhead weighs 165 kg.

By 2019, about 270 JH-7, JH-7A and JH-7AII aircraft had been built. All bombers of the first modification have already been written off.


Google Earth satellite image: JH-7A strike aircraft of the 14th Bomber Training Regiment in the same formation with L-15 combat training aircraft at Laishan Air Base

The JH-7A and JH-7AII aircraft were in service with five naval aviation regiments assigned to the fleets of the Eastern, Southern and Northern theater of operations. Some aviation units were of a mixed composition and operated J-11 fighters in parallel with missile-carrying bombers. The 14th Bombardment Training Regiment had JH-7A and L-15 jet combat trainers.

According to reference data, the PLA Navy operated 2020 JH-120A/AII missile-carrying bombers in 7.

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  1. +10
    April 9 2024 04: 53
    The Chinese modernized version of the Tu-16 with new anti-ship missiles is certainly not bad. But what are his chances of breaking through to the missile launch range of the AUG? I don't think they are too big. About 10 years ago, China asked to sell documentation for the Tu-23M3, but Russia refused.
    1. +8
      April 9 2024 05: 17
      About 10 years ago, China asked to sell documentation for the Tu-23M3, but Russia refused.

      Probably a typo - Tu-22M3.
      1. +5
        April 9 2024 06: 03
        Probably a typo - Tu-22M3.

        Yes you are right. hi
    2. +11
      April 9 2024 05: 42
      And she did the right thing. Russia is vulnerable with its long borders, especially in the Far East.
      Serey sincerely thank you, the review article is excellent!!!
      1. +9
        April 9 2024 05: 47
        Vlad, welcome!
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        And she did the right thing. Russia is vulnerable with its long borders, especially in the Far East.

        Especially considering the fact that there are no Tu-22M3 flying at our Far Eastern airfields.
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Sincere thanks to Sergei, the review article is excellent!!!
        drinks
    3. +1
      April 9 2024 07: 35
      But what are his chances of breaking through to the missile launch range of the AUG?

      For AUG they have long-range anti-ship missiles DF´-26, for example. And these shelves are for medium distances.
    4. +4
      April 9 2024 08: 51
      But what are his chances of breaking through to the missile launch range of the AUG?
      Theoretically, no aircraft has such a chance. In theory
    5. -4
      April 9 2024 10: 27
      Now the chances of breaking through the defense are equal, plus or minus, for Tu22m3 and Tu16. The chances can be dramatically increased by a good control center from external sources, your own powerful AFAR (with on-board computer) and ammunition (and their range includes both subsonic missiles and an analogue of BR-) of the Dagger.
    6. +3
      April 9 2024 16: 02
      Tu-16 is a beautiful plane! Andrei Nikolaevich Tupolev was right that a good plane should be beautiful!
      1. +1
        April 9 2024 16: 10
        Quote: andrewkor
        Tu-16 is a beautiful plane! Andrei Nikolaevich Tupolev was right that a good plane should be beautiful!

        Tupolev’s planes are all beautiful, even the not very successful Tu-22 (not to be confused with the Tu-22M/M2/M3).
        1. +4
          April 9 2024 21: 05
          even the not very successful Tu-22
          Well, yes, Tupolev had to push Myasishchev with his M-50, and put into production his crude Tu-22, which received the nickname “cannibal” due to its accident rate.
          1. +4
            April 9 2024 22: 03
            And also “one hundred” of Sukhoi. It was a very interesting device.
    7. 0
      April 12 2024 19: 15
      Why do you think the chance is low if you cover it with fighters and take out the aircraft? Yes, it will be specific, but the AUG has little chance against Chinese ground forces.
  2. +5
    April 9 2024 05: 11
    At the Zhuhai 2022 show they showed a new Chinese anti-ship missile system. Unlike previous versions, this is not a cruise missile, but a ballistic missile with hypersonic capability at the surface and a range of 480 km.
    1. +5
      April 9 2024 05: 58
      Quote: smart fellow
      At the Zhuhai 2022 show they showed a new Chinese anti-ship missile system. Unlike previous versions, this is not a cruise missile, but a ballistic missile with hypersonic capability at the surface and a range of 480 km.

      The USSR tried to create such missiles. The problem with them is that it is difficult to create a guidance system for them that provides a high probability of destruction, and there are also problems with issuing target designation. According to some reports, the PRC has deployed DF-21D anti-ship missiles with a firing range of more than 2000 km, created on the basis of the DF-21 IRBM. Allegedly, the characteristics of the DF-21D anti-ship missiles have been confirmed by test launches, but optical and radar reconnaissance satellites, as well as bulky over-the-horizon radars, are used for detection and target designation. With a high degree of probability, in the event of a full-scale conflict with the United States, all these systems will not work.
      1. -1
        April 9 2024 14: 46
        With a high degree of probability, in the event of a full-scale conflict with the United States, all these systems will not work.


        Even the Houthis can hit ships with American escorts
        1. +1
          April 9 2024 15: 21
          You don’t need great intelligence and high technology to destroy unarmed civilian ships. How many warships have the Houthis sunk?
          1. -2
            April 9 2024 15: 23
            You must understand that the ship that was hit was under the escort of an American warship.
            1. +1
              April 9 2024 15: 41
              Can you prove it?
              1. -2
                April 9 2024 22: 16
                https://www.reuters.com/world/britains-maritime-agency-reports-potential-explosion-red-sea-2023-12-03/

                US Central Command issued a more detailed press release on the progress of the battle
        2. +4
          April 9 2024 15: 45
          Quote from: wanna
          Even the Houthis can hit ships with American escorts

          Well, yes, well, yes...why don’t Iranian proxies hit American warships?
          1. -4
            April 9 2024 16: 17
            This is another matter. This doesn't confirm anything.
            The Americans deny the Houthis' claim that they hit a US warship. But the fact that the missile passed at a distance of less than one nautical mile from an American warship is a fact.
            https://maritime-executive.com/article/report-houthi-missile-got-within-a-mile-of-a-u-s-navy-destroyer
            1. +3
              April 9 2024 16: 27
              Quote from: wanna
              This is another matter. This doesn't confirm anything.

              Well, yes, of course - this is different...
              Quote from: wanna
              The Americans deny the Houthis' claim that they hit a US warship.

              My dear Chinese friend, you have very interesting and competent comments regarding the PRC. But why do you indulge in fantasies and try to adjust the facts to them?
              Quote from: wanna
              But the fact that the missile passed at a distance of less than one nautical mile from an American warship is a fact.

              Are we discussing cruise missiles or ballistic ones? Please decide on this. Or do you not distinguish one from the other?
              And also, my dear Chinese friend, how do you access the World Wide Web and bypass the “Great Firewall of China”, aka “Golden Shield”, aka The Golden Shield Project, aka 金盾工程, or do you use a VPN?
              1. -1
                April 9 2024 16: 37
                You don't need to use a tone full of ridicule.
                Not every site is blocked by China, China only blocks those sites that are full of malicious distortion and incitement, and you can't even call them "sites", it is a typical weapon of public opinion.
              2. +3
                April 10 2024 11: 53
                Dear Sergey, you should know that not all sites are blocked; you can access this site directly in China. Also, I think you'll be pleased to know that many of your articles have become common topics in chat rooms in China and are very interesting.
                1. -1
                  April 10 2024 14: 05
                  VPN是俄罗斯人恼羞成怒? Home甚至各国都在模仿这种模式。这些俄罗斯人还在像十多年前的媒体一样“科学角度”,“质疑”。卫星会被美国摧毁,理由是“美国反卫星能力更强”,反卫星对中国和美国都是足够的火箭,换句话说说,就是生产火箭的产能问题而已,而不是技术能力问题。美国会比中国强大?碰到这类人,无需和他们说太多,直接忽视。
                2. +1
                  April 10 2024 15: 11
                  Quote: lDaive
                  Dear Sergey, you should know that not all sites are blocked; you can access this site directly in China.

                  Frankly, I didn't know that.
                  Quote: lDaive
                  Also, I think you'll be pleased to know that many of your articles have become common topics in chat rooms in China and are very interesting.

                  Thank you! I'm very flattered!
                  I have great respect for the Chinese people and highly appreciate your achievements! Unfortunately, until recently there was only one permanent commentator from China on Military Review, and sadly, he is not always objective. In my publications, I try to objectively cover various topics, without giving them ideological overtones. There is a lot of contradictory and not always objective information on the Internet regarding the defense policy of the PRC and Chinese military equipment, and I would be grateful to our Chinese friends if they could correct the inaccuracies in their comments.
                3. -1
                  April 10 2024 16: 44
                  自己脑补出高超音速怎么受制导条件限制,完全不懂中文公开期刊中,详细地说了,经过打水漂后,增加了射程,降低了速度。
                  他们也不知道无人机的侦测半径能控多大海面
                  最后只能沦落倒?不用说了

                  1. +1
                    April 11 2024 01: 05
                    Do you think that Russians know Chinese characters? You are a very strange and not always adequate person.
                    1. 0
                      April 11 2024 01: 19
                      This document was supposed to tell people how Chinese ballistic anti-ship missiles work, maximum range, optimal trajectory, optimal speed, how to fly at a safe altitude as possible. There's some interesting knowledge there, such as "sacrificing speed for maximum attack range" (since it's a glider, it could be "Pancakes or Frogs"), and that a missile with a range of 2000 kilometers can be increased by 3651 km, while the speed of the warhead glides after reaching the target it decreases by 1 km/s (almost to Mach 3).
                      1. +1
                        April 11 2024 01: 24
                        If you visit a Russian-language site, then write comments in Russian. By leaving messages in Chinese characters you demonstrate arrogance and disrespect for the bulk of readers. When visiting, they do not establish their own rules and behave in accordance with local customs. Or do people in China not know what politeness is?
                      2. 0
                        April 11 2024 01: 39
                        Translation programs cannot translate complex descriptions such as "hitting water" in Chinese, which does not translate to "Pancakes". You question the uninspiring proposals of "Communications blackout(Blackout zone)" from more than ten years ago. Never tried to understand how the real product works
                      3. 0
                        April 11 2024 03: 25
                        Quote: Tucan
                        If you visit a Russian-language site, then write comments in Russian. By leaving messages in Chinese characters you demonstrate arrogance and disrespect for the bulk of readers. When visiting, they do not establish their own rules and behave in accordance with local customs. Or do people in China not know what politeness is?

                        Are you aware that the site is automatically translated into other languages? Therefore, foreigners often write comments in their own languages, without even realizing that we do not understand them. If the Chinese read your comment, they will be very surprised that a person who writes, as they see it, in Chinese, asks others not to write in Chinese.
                      4. +2
                        April 11 2024 03: 31
                        I am aware, but this is a Russian-language site and writing in hieroglyphs here is pointless. Moreover, this same user from China, albeit clumsily, had previously answered in Russian.
                      5. 0
                        April 11 2024 03: 34
                        Quote: Tucan
                        I'm aware, but this is a Russian-language site

                        I explained - it only seems so to you. See for yourself: https://zh-cn.topwar.ru/239733-bombardirovochnaja-i-raketonosnaja-aviacija-kitajskogo-flota.html
                  2. +2
                    April 11 2024 04: 58
                    At the very least, this will allow us to understand the Russians' point of view on the development of China's military power. This is already priceless, and there is no need for their views to completely coincide with ours.
                    In addition, we will communicate in Russian on the websites of our Russian friends.
      2. +1
        April 9 2024 15: 38
        The problem with them is that it is difficult to create a guidance system for them that provides a high probability of destruction, and there are also problems with issuing target designation.

        “ballistic missile with hypersonic reach at the surface” means that the missile reaches hypersonic speed in the final phase of its flight when it locks on a target and does not need external target designation. Hypersonic flight near the surface, where air resistance is higher, requires increased fuel consumption, which will significantly reduce the missile's flight range.
        Optical and radar reconnaissance satellites, as well as bulky over-the-horizon radars, are used for detection and target designation. With a high degree of probability, in the event of a full-scale conflict with the United States, all these systems will not work.

        It’s clear with satellites, but why won’t over-the-horizon radars work? As far as I remember, they are all protected from EMP induced by a nuclear explosion.
        1. +3
          April 9 2024 15: 57
          Quote: smart fellow
          “ballistic missile with hypersonic reach at the surface” means that the missile reaches hypersonic speed in the final phase of its flight when it locks on a target and does not need external target designation.

          The DF-21 medium-range ballistic missile is by definition hypersonic, sorry, but this is basic physics. Here, braking will most likely be required before attacking the target, including because the plasma cocoon inevitably formed at a very high flight speed in a dense atmosphere interferes with the operation of optoelectronic and radar systems.
          Quote: smart fellow
          It’s clear with satellites, but why won’t over-the-horizon radars work? As far as I remember, they are all protected from EMP induced by a nuclear explosion.

          No, no receiving circuit is fully protected from EMR.
          In addition, it is pointless to discuss the simultaneous use of nuclear weapons and countering AUG. No one fights rodents if the house is on fire.
          If the conflict is waged by conventional means, then the Chinese low-orbit satellites monitoring the Pacific Ocean will be hit by SM-3 anti-missiles, and cruise missiles will very soon arrive at the stationary bulky airborne radar systems (which cannot issue target designations, but only serve for observation and detection).
          1. +1
            April 9 2024 16: 26
            If China and the United States destroy each other's satellites, then the vast majority of American weapons will also be useless. Americans are much more dependent on satellites.
            During war, reconnaissance means are varied, such as the rapid launch of additional satellites within 24 hours, such as the WZ-8 unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, and other additional means. There is even an old saying that in peacetime every carrier battle group must be accompanied by a foreign ship.
            1. +4
              April 9 2024 16: 32
              Quote from: wanna
              If China and the United States destroy each other's satellites, then the vast majority of American weapons will also be useless. Americans are much more dependent on satellites.
              During war, reconnaissance means are varied, such as the rapid launch of additional satellites within 24 hours, such as the WZ-8 unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, and other additional means. There is even an old saying that in peacetime every carrier battle group must be accompanied by a foreign ship.


              My dear Chinese friend, you cannot help but know that the United States still has many times greater capabilities to intercept ICBMs, SLBMs and satellites than China. In addition, we are primarily talking about the few low-orbit Chinese reconnaissance satellites monitoring the Pacific Ocean, and not about high-altitude geostationary satellites providing satellite navigation. As for other assets (reconnaissance ships and UAVs), they are much easier to neutralize in wartime than satellites. It's strange that I have to explain such simple things to such an advanced user like you.
              1. -3
                April 9 2024 16: 48
                Low-orbit reconnaissance satellites can be quickly replenished.

                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%87%D0%B6%D0%BE%D1%83

                You can quickly shoot down reconnaissance drones or sink foreign ships accompanying you. However, you still cannot guarantee that your last coordinates were not compromised. The other side, obviously, also has more than one drone and more than one reconnaissance means.
                1. +2
                  April 10 2024 05: 10
                  Quote from: wanna
                  Low-orbit reconnaissance satellites can be quickly replenished.

                  In wartime? Write nonsense.... fool
                  Quote from: wanna
                  You can quickly shoot down reconnaissance drones or sink foreign ships accompanying you. However, you still cannot guarantee that your last coordinates were not compromised.

                  How far does an aircraft carrier cover in half an hour?
          2. +1
            April 9 2024 17: 22
            The DF-21 medium-range ballistic missile is by definition hypersonic, sorry, but this is basic physics.

            I meant the new air-launched anti-ship missile system (H-6 takes up to 4 of them), shown at the show in Zhuhai 2022, with a range of 480 km. Its speed during the main part of its flight is most likely simply supersonic. When it engages a target with its guidance system (optics + radar), it switches to hypersound, and 20mm Phalanx CIWS supposedly hit the target with a high probability at speeds up to 4M-5M.
            and cruise missiles will very soon arrive from stationary bulky airborne radar systems (which cannot issue target designations, but only serve for observation and detection).

            Well, cruise missiles, as the conflict in Ukraine showed, are quite vulnerable, and radar stations are not built on the coast and, I believe, are well protected, at least from cruise missiles.
            1. +2
              April 10 2024 06: 32
              Quote: smart fellow
              I meant the new air-launched anti-ship missile system (H-6 takes up to 4 of them), shown at the show in Zhuhai 2022, with a range of 480 km.

              Do you remember its designation?
              Quote: smart fellow
              Its speed during the main part of its flight is most likely simply supersonic. When it engages a target with its guidance system (optics + radar), it switches to hypersound

              Hypersonic section aeroballistic in any case, the rocket distance will be several tens of kilometers. And how does she guide herself?
              Quote: smart fellow
              Well, cruise missiles, as the conflict in Ukraine showed, are quite vulnerable

              Not as vulnerable to air defense systems as some would like. Believe me, as a former air defense officer, missile defense systems are very difficult targets to intercept. Even if one of the five CRs breaks through, that will be quite enough. ZGRLS is a very large and very vulnerable stationary target.
              Quote: smart fellow
              Radar stations are not built on the coast...


              This is an article about the Chinese early warning system, including the ZGRLS.

              https://topwar.ru/164418-sovremennoe-sostojanie-sistemy-rannego-raketnogo-preduprezhdenija-i-protivoraketnoj-oborony-i-sredstv-kontrolja-kosmicheskogo-prostranstva-v-knr.html
              1. +1
                April 10 2024 08: 45
                Do you remember its designation?

                Maybe I'm wrong, but there was no title in the video. It was a 25 minute youtube video about the Zhuhai 2022 (or 2023) show.
                In any case, the hypersonic section of an aeroballistic missile will be several tens of kilometers. And how does she guide herself?

                There were no such details in the video. I assume that the missile flies at an altitude of several kilometers and is launched at the target. As soon as the target is captured, it dives and travels the last 5-6 km at an altitude of several tens/hundreds of meters at hypersonic speed. At a distance of 5-6 km, the optical sight + radar + thermal radar is aimed. I really can’t say because... details were not disclosed.
                Thanks for the link to the article.
                1. +1
                  April 10 2024 15: 15
                  Quote: smart fellow
                  I assume that the missile flies at an altitude of several kilometers and is launched at the target. As soon as the target is captured, it dives and travels the last 5-6 km at an altitude of several tens/hundreds of meters at hypersonic speed. At a distance of 5-6 km, the optical sight + radar + thermal radar is aimed.

                  Target search and correction must be carried out at a much greater distance than 5-6 km. Thermal imaging, optoelectronic and radar equipment will not work at hypersonic speed near the ground. I generally doubt that hypersound is achievable when flying at low altitude.
      3. -1
        April 11 2024 04: 06
        Quote: Bongo
        There are also problems with issuing target designations.

        There will be no problems with target designation. The Chinese fishing fleet will patrol the entire Western Pacific Ocean in small groups of 50-100 trawlers and transmit information about sighted AUGs to the central fisheries inspectorate.
        1. -1
          April 11 2024 04: 25
          This is a glider that can jump, and in a terminal attack it does not have "hypersonic speeds" and does not produce "communications blackout on re-entry (I'm getting really tired of that smug statement)."

          It relies on a calculated optimal trajectory and spends most of its time gliding through space at an altitude of 30 km, allowing it to avoid ground-based anti-aircraft fire. Within 2000 km, it reaches its destination in 12 minutes, and even at a maximum speed of 33 knots, the aircraft carrier can cover only 10 km. The flight range is short, which does not put much pressure on final targeting.
  3. -6
    April 9 2024 07: 50
    Yes, stupid copying definitely doesn’t help engineering! There are some samples of our own, but more and more copies of something.
    1. +8
      April 9 2024 08: 53
      Even greater damage to engineering is caused by endless “reforms”, “optimizations”, “reorganizations”, the liquidation of engineering schools, the export of “brains” to milk Western partners, the dominance of “effective managers”, “galley slaves”, countless “insiders” in the leadership, like Chubais and Co., unpunished corruption, fraud, kickbacks.
    2. +6
      April 9 2024 10: 43
      Quote: Vadim S
      Yes, stupid copying definitely doesn’t help engineering!

      Comrade Tupolev would not agree with you. And Comrade Korolev too. I’m generally silent about the tank industry of the 30s.
      When there are no analogues even in the near future, stupid copying There is a better way to train your design, engineering and operating personnel for the subsequent transition to your products.
      1. +3
        April 9 2024 11: 43
        Quote: Alexey RA
        stupid copying is the best way to train your design, engineering and working personnel for the subsequent transition to your products.

        I absolutely agree with you. Just as copying the B-29 (Tu-4) created the conditions, and what is it, “forced” to make a breakthrough in many areas (not only aircraft manufacturing), so the Chinese variation on the F-4K theme (phantom), the “flying leopard” made it possible to carry out a revolution in the field of aircraft manufacturing in China, having practically built and debugged the schemes of technological and production connections and the direction of aviation construction, because before that they mastered the Tu-16, even with a license and samples, with enormous difficulties. But after the “flying leopard”, their aviation industry made a significant leap in both the quality and quantity of copies and their own developments.
        1. -2
          April 10 2024 21: 47
          and a Chinese variation on the F-4K (phantom) theme, “flying leopard”
          And how (besides the engines) did the “Flying Leopard” become the “Phantom”? Nothing in common with the planner. But evil tongues claim that in the 80s, Romania and Yugoslavia shared the Orao drawings with China - and indeed, the planes are very similar, only the Chinese one has been enlarged on a large scale.
          1. +1
            April 11 2024 13: 26
            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            But evil tongues claim that in the 80s, Romania and Yugoslavia shared the Orao drawings with China

            Nonsense...SOKO J-22 "Orao" is more than twice as light, and the internal layout is completely different.
    3. +1
      April 9 2024 16: 25
      Yes, yes, yes, that's right. More than 500 manufacturers of electric vehicles only. And even if it is a copy, it is a good copy of a good thing, and not its own development, but produced with the left foot in the dark with the help of an ax.
  4. +6
    April 9 2024 08: 03
    as always, great article from Sergei good
  5. +1
    April 9 2024 15: 14
    It seems to me that in reality, with the Chinese “comrades”, on occasion, in fact, everything will turn out to be even worse than ours)))) but they are also lovers of parades, but there are more than a billion of them.
  6. -3
    April 9 2024 16: 19
    The leopard is closer in design to the Jaguar. Apparently the British with the engines helped them fit into the plane.
    1. +1
      April 9 2024 16: 45
      It's already chewed, chewed...
      It is necessary to compare not the appearance, but the maximum take-off weight, engine power and dimensions. So we can agree that the J-8 interceptor is based on the J-7 fighter. Is it okay that all these planes have almost twice the weight difference?
    2. +2
      April 10 2024 06: 36
      Quote: Pavel57
      The leopard is closer in design to the Jaguar.

      In what place is it “closer” and with what? The design and layout solutions, components, assemblies and avionics are completely different. In addition, these are absolutely not similar aircraft in size and weight. The Su-24 and MiG-23 are also similar in appearance, but in fact they are aircraft of different classes and purposes.
  7. +4
    April 9 2024 18: 01
    Hello Sergey!

    Thank you for another high-quality publication, good, thorough and informative. I always read your articles with great interest.
    But here it is again:
    The YJ-6 anti-ship missile, created on the basis of the Soviet P-15 missile, had a jet engine running on liquid fuel TG-02 (“Tonka-250”) and oxidizer AK-20K (based on nitrogen oxides).

    It seems that a couple of years ago we already discussed (with you) this topic: fuel consists of at least two components - a fuel and an oxidizer. Air oxygen can be used as an oxidizer - in jet engines, internal combustion engines, and even in external combustion engines (Stirling type). In extreme modes (afterburner), an additional dose of oxidizer (such as so-called “nitro boosters”) can be injected.
    A separate class of jet engines is rocket engines. Regardless of the aggregate phase of the components (solid, liquid, gaseous or even different phases), they carry both components - both fuel and oxidizer. Their totality is fuel.
    And the phrase quoted here from the article misleads readers who are not very technically savvy. And your audience is not small. And then we are surprised and indignant: for some reason, illiteracy is overwhelming even previously decent Internet platforms. It’s just that two or three out of a thousand who read the phrase they liked embossed it in two or three more places, not paying attention to its technical incorrectness. How many iterations will it take for an unexpected technical blunder to become a public, habitual norm?

    With deep respect for your work, Sergey
    Michael
  8. +4
    April 10 2024 00: 26
    What a pleasure it is to read the article and professional comments, how I returned to the forum for 10 years when I subscribed, and this is not all that the forum is now filled with wretched people
  9. +3
    April 10 2024 05: 44
    hi
    As always, an interesting article!
    as of 2021, the PLA Navy had up to 40 aircraft of the H-6 family. This number includes electronic warfare aircraft, tankers and H-6G/J missile carriers

    A little H6

    https://youtu.be/oUJL8Rl82go

    It is interesting that China did not make analogues of the B1, Tu22/Tu22M and Tu160.
    IMHO, nevertheless, the subsonic carrier of the missile launcher is sufficient for most tasks.
    1. +3
      April 10 2024 06: 43
      Andrei, good afternoon!
      Quote: Wildcat
      It is interesting that China did not make analogues of the B1, Tu22/Tu22M and Tu160.
      IMHO, nevertheless, the subsonic carrier of the missile launcher is sufficient for most tasks.

      It is unlikely that this problem could be solved in a short time. In the past, our Chinese friends asked us for a license for the Tu-22M3.
      But by and large, variable-sweep bombers did not justify themselves.
    2. -2
      April 10 2024 17: 20
      IMHO, nevertheless, the subsonic carrier of the missile launcher is sufficient for most tasks.


      The H-6K was only adopted by the Chinese Air Force in 2015. Until this time, China did not have air force platforms capable of threatening the US aircraft carrier fleet. At that time, the Tu 22M could quickly improve the Chinese Air Force's ability to threaten the American fleet. It's as if China willingly imported Project 956 destroyers.
      1. +2
        April 11 2024 12: 17
        It seems that you don't understand what you are writing about. Aircraft with cruise anti-ship missiles appeared in China in the 80s. The author writes about this openly. Re-read this article.
        1. -2
          April 12 2024 15: 25
          No joke, no one expects an old H-6D carrying a C601 with a range of 150 km to get through F14, F18 sniper fire.
          1. +1
            April 12 2024 15: 27
            No joke, modern versions of the N-6 have about the same chances.
            1. -2
              April 12 2024 15: 31
              You may have to wait for an article by Sergei Linnik on the range of the YJ-21 missile or a scientific article on the range of American aircraft carrier defenses.
              1. +1
                April 12 2024 15: 36
                Perhaps you should study the capabilities of the American SM-2, SM-3 and SM-3 missiles, as well as study the history of the use of anti-ship missiles, and also study the question of who was considered the main potential enemy in China in the 70-80s, and this were not Americans.
                1. -2
                  April 12 2024 15: 44
                  I don't understand what you're talking about. What we're talking about doesn't seem to be saying the same thing, and the topic is getting blurred.
          2. +2
            April 12 2024 16: 55
            Quote from: wanna
            No joke, no one expects an old H-6D carrying a C601 with a range of 150 km to get through F14, F18 sniper fire.

            Are you saying that naval missile-carrying aircraft have no other purposes other than aircraft carriers?
            Quote: Tucan
            to study the question of who was considered the main potential enemy in China in the 70-80s

            At this time, China and the United States were allies against the USSR.
            1. -3
              April 12 2024 17: 15
              At this time, China and the United States were allies against the USSR.

              During the period of unfriendly relations with the Soviet Union, the H-6 was not produced for a long time, since no one expected anything good from an aircraft capable of dropping only gravity bombs. Later, inspired by the maritime conflict between China and Vietnam, the Boom-6 could be used for naval strikes. All later Boom-6 models became missile carriers for the Navy.
              1. +2
                April 13 2024 01: 36
                Are you the captain of the obvious?
              2. +1
                April 13 2024 02: 29
                Quote from: wanna
                At this time, China and the United States were allies against the USSR.

                During the period of unfriendly relations with the Soviet Union, the H-6 was not produced for a long time, since no one expected anything good from an aircraft capable of dropping only gravity bombs. Later, inspired by the maritime conflict between China and Vietnam, the Boom-6 could be used for naval strikes. All later Boom-6 models became missile carriers for the Navy.


                You manipulate the facts to suit your theories! Missile-carrying versions of the N-6 appeared in the early 1980s, when relations between the USSR and China were unfriendly. Moreover, the N-6 missile-carrying variants were roughly equivalent to the Soviet Tu-16K naval missile carriers, which were in service until the early 1990s.
                1. 0
                  April 14 2024 10: 37
                  You manipulate the facts to suit your theories!

                  The main reason for the creation of the H-6D was that after the Battle of the Paracel Islands (1974), China realized that the combat radius of its fighters and the H-5 (IL-28) was too small to cover the South China Sea, and the H-6, which had the huge range was clearly useful, and the H-1975D program was launched in 6. The 6D program began in 1975, completed development of the Type 245 radar and anti-ship missiles, and finally completed development of the Boom-6D in 1986. The Type 245 radar can detect and track ships at a distance of 100 kilometers, and the YJ-6 anti-ship missile, weighing 2,4 tons and with a maximum range of 120 kilometers, can detect and lock on a target at the end of the range at a distance of 30 kilometers. The Boom-6D is the first of the Boom-6 models to be externally mountable (with the ability to mount two YJ-6 missiles under the wings) and the only export model. The Boom-6D is also the first of the Boom-6 models to have external mounting capability (two YJ-6 missiles can be mounted under the wings) and the only model to be exported (Iraq imported four of these aircraft at a cost of US$150 million to be equipped with anti-ship capabilities). C-601 missiles).
                  when relations between the USSR and China were unfriendly.

                  So any weapons China makes are designed to counter the CCCP?
                  1. 0
                    April 14 2024 11: 22
                    Quote from: wanna
                    The main reason for the creation of the H-6D was that after the Battle of the Paracel Islands (1974), China realized that the combat radius of its fighters and the H-5 (IL-28) was too small to cover the South China Sea...

                    My banal and verbose Chinese friend, do you think that I am stupider than you and less informed? Why do you write verbosely about well-known events and litter the site with unnecessary comments? This way you greatly devalue your reputation.
                    Quote from: wanna
                    So any weapons China makes are designed to counter the CCCP?

                    This means that in the 1970s and 1980s, China’s main potential adversary was the Soviet Union, and you know this very well.
                    1. 0
                      April 14 2024 11: 55
                      My banal and verbose Chinese friend, do you think that I am stupider than you and less informed? Why do you write verbosely about well-known events and litter the site with unnecessary comments? This way you greatly devalue your reputation.


                      I must say that you have a deadly ego. Aren't all your posts a boring collection of internet information and common sense?
                      1. 0
                        April 14 2024 12: 02
                        Regarding my knowledge, intelligence and self-esteem, it is better to ask the readers. Apart from you, no one has detected excessive conceit in me. But my Chinese friend, you have already been called “Captain Obvious”. It would be worth taking note of this, and not being a banal bore. wink
                      2. 0
                        April 14 2024 12: 53
                        Sergey, are you hanging out at Military Review again while at work? laughing
                        As for our friend from China, he is apparently still too young, so be lenient with him.
  10. -1
    April 10 2024 16: 08
    What are the advantages of “old technologies”, both in the Union and in the West? In “old technologies” priority was given to QUALITY and effective combat use.

    Modern everywhere - SPREADING money at the design stage, continuing further at all stages. At best, new technologies prioritize money and advertising with inflated “information cheeks.”

    We are talking about expensive military equipment. Small UAVs, for example, are also new, but have a different logic. They are not interesting to the “sharks” of bribery and embezzlement, which is why they are damn effective.