IL-114-300: looks like there is light at the end of the tunnel?

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IL-114-300: looks like there is light at the end of the tunnel?

On March 31, 2024, perhaps an epoch-making event occurred: the second experimental aircraft Il-114-300, the so-called OP-2, serial number 01-10, registration number 54115, made its first flight.

What's the highlight? This is the first new-built aircraft of this type.


Here we need to again history. Il-114 (simple, without additional numbers) and the Il-114-100 that followed it were produced in Tashkent, where Russian specialists built a factory (TAPO named after Chkalov) with a production capacity of up to 100 aircraft per year. Today the plant produces cauldrons for pilaf and other, more popular products for Uzbekistan; you will have to forget about planes from Tashkent.



The Il-114-300 will be assembled by a relatively small plant in Lukhovitsy (LAZ named after P. A. Voronin), they promise up to 20 aircraft per year. God willing, as they say.


Why does the first plane that flew in 202o “not count”? It was assembled from an old stock. In general, many components for the Il-114-100 are stuck at TAPOiCh in Tashkent. They say that from what was lying there, it was possible to assemble at least a dozen aircraft. The Ministry of Industry and Trade negotiated with the Uzbek side, but they ended in nothing. The former did not want to help in the revival of the aircraft of this brand, which is why there was such a delay.

But the main thing here is that we basically managed it ourselves. The delay is completely justified, and this plane, which took off in March, is a 100% new plane, albeit not of the newest design.

How bad is it to start producing the revived Il-114?


But I’ll say this: there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, because this plane was designed by the great (I won’t fight this word at all) student of the great Sergei Ilyushin, Genrikh Vasilyevich Novozhilov.


Maybe this man didn’t know how to do something in life, but the planes that Novozhilov built, and which went into production, are still flying. All. And that says a lot.

What is IL-114? Yes, in general, the same working horse as its predecessors: Il-18, Il-62, Il-86. Without any special frills, but with a triple margin of safety. A regional passenger airliner is, in fact, what is sorely lacking today. An-24, Yak-40, Yak-42 - this is already history, SAABs are finishing off on domestic routes, and in some regions it reaches the point of delirium: it is easier to fly to the cities of your region through Moscow.

A friend of mine encountered this phenomenon when he had to fly from Perm to Nizhny Novgorod. Direct flights - twice a week, on Monday and Friday. The rest is with a transfer in Moscow. But every day. But for others it’s absolutely money. If a direct flight costs 4 rubles, then with a transfer it costs from 853 to 6,8 thousand.

The fact that Russia simply needs a new inexpensive regional aircraft, like air, is clear and understandable. This should be a liner designed for 60-100 passengers and capable of serving routes with a range of 500 to 1500 km. Well, with the possibility of using not the best runways.


The IL-114-300, which is capable of operating autonomously from relatively small airfields that do not even have concrete runways, is a lifeline. Ilyushin believes that the aircraft will operate normally in the Far North, where sometimes all problems can be solved only by air service.

In general, there can be no second opinion here: the IL-114 is very necessary. The UAC seems to understand and are working in this direction. At least the IL-114-300 test program continues.

The first flight was standard: 40 minutes at an altitude of up to 900 meters and at a speed of no more than 230 km/h. That is, we took off, tested the rudders and ailerons, looked around - and down.


What can you do in a 40 minute flight? And it depends on who will fly. The Il-144-300 was piloted by LAZ's "bisons", a test team similar to the one that lifted the damned Il-112V off the ground in Voronezh:
- Honored Test Pilot of the Russian Federation Sergei Sukhar;
- Honored Test Pilot of the Russian Federation Igor Zinov;
- onboard test engineer 1st class Oleg Gryazev.

These are people who know how to teach airplanes to fly. I really hope that luck will be on their side and all flights will end with landings as usual. Not like what happened with the Il-112V in Kubinka. PJSC Ilyushin will never be able to compensate for the loss incurred on that ill-fated day. I really hope that everything will end well.

Following the first flight, crew commander Sergei Sukhar reported that the flight went smoothly, the systems and equipment worked properly, and the flight program was completed in full. Before the start of flights, the aircraft underwent a cycle of ground tests: workshop and airfield tests were carried out. Taxiing and high-speed runs were also performed as part of the flight test program.

The flight sheet for the first flight of the Il-114-300 was signed on the hood of the black Volga by the managing director of PJSC Il, Daniil Brenerman, and the head of the flight test center of PJSC Il, Konstantin Letov.


The tradition was introduced more than 50 years ago by Genrikh Novozhilov himself, at that time the general designer of the Ilyushin Design Bureau, by putting his signature on the flight sheet of the Il-76 transport aircraft on the hood of his official car. That takeoff was successful, and such signings became a tradition at the Ilyushin Design Bureau.

Everything seems to be fine. The IL-114-300 consists entirely of Russian components, which is logical for an aircraft created in Soviet times. Of course, this is not a “scoop”. Composite materials are used in the design wherever possible, which entails a significant lightweighting of the structure. The flight control and navigation system is digital (God forbid, they rip off the one on the Su-34); in general, a huge amount of work has been done to improve all the main systems of the aircraft.

The only place that causes not only concern, but complete uncertainty of success is the engine. Yes, yes, the same TV7-117ST-01 that killed the crew of the Il-112V and seems to have undergone a series of modifications after that. There is no specific information, but perhaps the employees of Klimov’s company were able to perform a miracle and bring this creation, unsuccessful from all sides, to fruition.

This was worth doing if only so that the death of the best VASO test crew would not be in vain. I will once again ask you to pay at least a mental tribute to the people who did not spare their lives so that the Russian Aerospace Forces would finally have a new transport aircraft.

Aircraft commander: Honored Test Pilot of Russia, Hero of Russia Nikolai Dmitrievich Kuimov.

Co-pilot: test pilot 1st class Dmitry Aleksandrovich Komarov.

Flight engineer: 1st class test flight engineer Nikolai Evgenievich Khludeev.


It’s not in vain that I remember these people. The Il-112V was equipped with exactly the same engines as the Il-114. Unification... But we will talk about the IL-112V and its continuation literally the other day, but now all that remains is to hope that JSC "ODK-Klimov" has done everything that is necessary and even more so that the engine will finally became real.

In general, the TV7-117 has a very bad reputation for being an engine that has not been brought up to standard. The first model, TV7-117S, with a power of 2 hp, was frankly uncompetitive in comparison with imported engines in terms of service life, which caused the replacement of the TV500-7S (resource about 117 hours) with the Il-1000, produced at TAPOiCh, with American Pratt & Whitney 114H engines with a service life six times longer. And almost all the planes assembled in Tashkent flew on American engines.

The next modification, TV7-117SM, was more powerful (2 hp), had a new digital automatic control and monitoring system, seemed to be more maintainable and reliable, but there was simply nowhere to install it.

TV7-117ST-01 became another modernization. The power was increased at takeoff mode to 3000 hp. s., in increased emergency mode up to 3600 hp. With. It was assumed that the Il-112V, Il-114-300 and TVRS-44 Ladoga would fly on this engine.

The IL-112V was still flying away, but the turn did not reach Ladoga, the IL-114-300 flew away. Let's look for the continuation.


General Director of UEC, member of the Bureau of the Central Council of SoyuzMash Russia LLC, Vadim Badekha, assures that a lot of work was done on the TV7-117ST-01 and the engine deservedly received a type certificate in December 2022.

The engine received a new auxiliary power unit TA 14-114, which should provide greater autonomy of the aircraft during maintenance and preparation for flight at poorly equipped airfields, especially in the North. In addition, a new AB-112-114 propeller has been added to the engine, a very promising development that allows more power to be extracted from the engine.

It would be very good if all the forecasts and promises came true


In general, work on converting the Il-114 to the Il-114-300 has been going on for 10 years. The period is actually quite long, and during this time a decent amount of work should have been done. However, behind the scenes of this performance, not everything is as simple as we would like. There are many questions, from engines to a change in production site, because for the first time it was announced that the Il-144 will be assembled at the Sokol plant in Nizhny Novgorod in 2018. But then for some reason everything was transferred to LAZ in Lukhovitsy, near Moscow. The choice is strange, because Ila was produced at LAZ, yes, but the plant’s capabilities are much inferior to Sokol. And the promised 18 aircraft per year are unlikely, 10-12 and nothing more.

And it’s not entirely clear when they will go into mass production. In 2018, the year 2020 was named, when the first aircraft from the batch of 2017 aircraft contracted back in 50 for GTLK, the State Transport Leasing Company, were to be delivered. The aircraft was to be certified in 2023; serial production was postponed to 2025.

In general, everything is as usual in our country - first, promises are made to the accompaniment of bravura marches, which no one really intends to fulfill, then they begin to scramble in search of solutions. As a result, we have the transformation of the IL-114-300 project into the usual long-term construction. 2025 instead of the promised 2018 is quite enough to think so.

In general, the prospect is very vague, especially considering that the TV7-117ST-01 is still struggling with its problems inherent in the design initially.

Meanwhile, time is running out.


A regional airliner of this class is very necessary. Especially something as simple as the IL-14, capable of landing anywhere, refueling from a barrel, and so on. In general, it is not a Sukhoi Superjet, which requires conditions.

The IL-114-300 must carry up to 68 passengers and 1500 kg of payload with a maximum fuel supply, on which the aircraft must fly up to 5 km with a cruising speed of 600 km/h at an altitude of up to 500 m.

Nothing supernatural. There is no need for super maneuverability or stealth; on the contrary, the most ordinary economy class airliner. What the problem is is very difficult to say. A fifth-generation fighter is just stealth and super-maneuverable, but we can do it, but a passenger airliner for medium and short distances, with absolutely no frills, just doesn’t work out. Everything is somehow very slow.

It is clear that in 2021 all work was stopped due to the accident of the Il-112V with the same TV7-117ST engines, but it seems that the engines have been sorted out. We need to move on, but the center section for the second/first copy of the OP-2 began to be built in Voronezh at VASO back in 2018, and in 2019 it was already delivered to the customer. The OP-2 prototype was rolled out to LAZ in May 2023, but underwent ground tests for more than 10 months.

Okay, we tried it. But here’s another question: why arrange such a leapfrog with the transportation of parts?

Voronezh. VASO will produce the airframe (wing, tail unit with mechanization, engine nacelles), in total almost half of the airframe.

Nizhny Novgorod. Sokol will produce the fuselage, hydraulics and electrics, about 40% of all aircraft components.

Saint Petersburg. Klimov will supply the engines.

What prevents you from assembling the entire aircraft at the site of production of the majority of components, for example, at Sokol, and not dragging the same fuselage several hundred kilometers to Lukhovitsy? A very strange choice.
It’s clear that the openly dying MiG (“LAZ” and “Sokol” belong to JSC RSK MiG) needs to somehow survive, and in Lukhovitsy there are still specialists in “Ilam”, but this approach is still will still affect the final cost of the aircraft.

And then someone will definitely say that “ours are more expensive, let’s buy Boeings through the Indians.”

I really hope that sooner or later all the problems will be overcome, and we will actually have a Russian aircraft on domestic routes.
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  1. +16
    April 8 2024 04: 48
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    The only place that causes not only concern, but complete uncertainty about success is the engine
    Twenty five again wink
    1. +10
      April 8 2024 06: 40
      Roman Skomorokhov is by no means an engine specialist. I understand, emotions. If the engine is so worthless, why are modifications of this engine installed on helicopters and they work fine there? It is clear that the engine is the most complex thing; it needs to be fine-tuned.
      1. +8
        April 8 2024 10: 24
        Quote: 2112vda
        If the engine is so worthless, why are modifications of this engine installed on helicopters and they work fine there?

        Installed on helicopters turboshaft engine. It is slightly structurally different from the turboprop...
        1. +5
          April 8 2024 10: 29
          Naturally, a little. The gas generator is common. A free turbine may be different from a helicopter turbine. Naturally, power gearboxes and auxiliary units may be different. If the engine has a common basis, then the different options do not become so different that one option is normal, and the other option sucks. It doesn't happen that way. They will finish the engine. Work on fine-tuning any engine continues throughout its entire life cycle. Now about the turboprop and turboshaft engines. A turboprop engine has a common power turbine. The turboshaft has a free power turbine. TVZ-117 is a turboshaft. American engine installed on TVS-2MS, turboprop. Each scheme has its own advantages and disadvantages.
          1. +4
            April 8 2024 10: 37
            Quote: 2112vda
            If the engine has a common basis then the different options do not become so different

            In the helicopter version, the engine turbine is increased by several stages, which domino principle entails other changes in the design. In addition, the circulation of helicopters produced with this engine is small and it is impossible to add up general and stable statistics of failures of various components from it...
            1. +3
              April 8 2024 10: 42
              I have already talked about the advantages and disadvantages. Naturally, you need to do some fine-tuning. “At the behest of a pike” nothing will happen. In principle, there are no universal motors. They exist in the imagination of individual effective people, but that is the problem of their education. If you don’t do fine-tuning, of course, nothing will happen. Not everything works out quickly, even on simple details. They would bring it, the task would be set.
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      2. +2
        April 8 2024 19: 26
        [/quote]If the engine is so worthless, why are modifications of this engine installed on helicopters and they work fine there.[quote]

        Could you please tell me the serial samples of aviation equipment, where these engines are installed and work normally?
      3. 0
        April 10 2024 21: 09
        The main problem was in the regulator pump, according to the media. Looks like we've found a solution. In any case, I want to believe so.
        And the glider itself is very beautiful. Somewhat reminiscent of the IL-14.
        Something beautiful won't fly well. It seems to me that this pepelats will very soon and for a long time take its place in the sky.
    2. +23
      April 8 2024 06: 51
      And I was hooked by one phrase from the author:
      If a direct flight costs 4 rubles, then with a transfer it costs from 853 to 6,8 thousand.
      I believe these figures, but the opposite happened, and the mind refused to understand such tricks with ticket prices. When it was cheaper to fly from Vladivostok to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky or Uelen in Chukotka via Moscow.
      I read and heard a lot about passenger aviation in Brazil, where it is almost on a par with international buses and covers the entire country to small settlements. And I just can’t understand why they can afford it, while Russia constantly struggles with fuel prices and the availability of aircraft?
      1. +15
        April 8 2024 07: 02
        passenger aviation in Brazil, where it is almost on par with international buses
        Yes, that's right. Several years ago I had the opportunity to fly from Copenhagen to Reykjavik. The ticket cost something like $70. The entire flight I sat and wondered why this was so? wink
        1. +10
          April 8 2024 07: 26
          If it was a flight with a discount airline, then that was the case until recently. I flew to South America three times in 2008, 9,12 on Lufthansa to Sao Paulo, Caracas and Mexico City, where I was able to buy round-trip tickets at a price of 18 -23 tr from Moscow!!!! .I just had to get on sale a couple of months before departure.
          The same thing happened with the discounter Air Asia, where you could fly cheaper than by bus on the same route.
          1. +7
            April 8 2024 08: 04
            I flew to South America three times
            ABOUT! This is my dream! But, probably, for obvious reasons, it is no longer feasible
      2. +6
        April 8 2024 08: 57
        Tell me, to Uelen... only helicopters from Providence fly there these days. But to Khabarovsk from Anadyr via Moscow - that was, I flew. Not cheaper, but direct flights in winter were 1-2 times a month.
      3. 0
        April 8 2024 14: 31
        So in Russia, even military pilots have nothing to teach them to fly, and what can we say about civil aviation.
        1. +3
          April 8 2024 14: 37
          So in Russia, even military pilots have nothing to teach them to fly.

          So they fly untrained? Or treat them like people who don’t know how to swim, throw them into the water and swim. And these are put at the helm and fly... If you survive, you will become a pilot, but if not... that means you're out of luck. fellow
          It turns out it's cool here....
      4. +2
        April 8 2024 19: 12
        I believe these numbers, but it happened the other way around,
        Yes, sometimes. Somehow, I needed to fly to Vladivostok from Moscow, and suddenly it turned out that doing it with a Chinese airline was one and a half times cheaper than with Aeroflot. And Aeroflot even saves on training its pilots - remember how in 2018 at Sheremetyevo the pilot, landing the Superbudget manually for the first time, crashed it.
        1. +1
          April 9 2024 07: 59
          so suddenly it turned out that doing this with a Chinese airline car is one and a half times cheaper than with Aeroflot. A

          Sergey, I can tell you a dozen similar examples from personal experience, when I traveled half the world on independent trips and looked for air tickets at the lowest prices. And when it was necessary to get from Novosibirsk to Bali (Indonesia), the cheapest route turned out to be a flight through Moscow - Dubai - Jakarta with an Emirates airline. And these are not even airline discounters like Air Asia, where there were flights for $8 from Kuala Lumpur to Bangkok, albeit without luggage but with hand luggage up to 10 kg.
          I remember well the incident when a Superjet pilot “gave a goat” during landing. And I remember how a German plane (Lufthansa) landed at Domodedovo when we were returning from Caracas via Munich.. At first it circled for half an hour, waited for the storm front to leave, and then it seemed that we had to land urgently, apparently there was not enough fuel to leave for another airfield. And the wind near the ground was almost hurricane-like and the plane had to be turned at an angle of 45* to the runway... and they descended sideways to a height of tens of meters, where the pilot sharply turned the car along the runway line and landed smoothly... It was just a fantastic stunt and masterful execution. The people in the salon appreciated this feat.
          1. 0
            April 9 2024 20: 50
            It was just a fantastic stunt and masterful execution.
            And ours would have been planted if it had run out of fuel (for how many years has it been drained for civilians), but he acted strictly according to the instructions. But no one at Aeroflot taught him how to land it. I'm not sure they teach it now.
      5. 0
        April 17 2024 22: 38
        And greed??? The greed of club-handed effective managers??? This is the engine of progress! Well, Moscow, which scooped up ALL transportation under its seat. Do you want to fly abroad? Please, but through Moscow. And across the country...via Moscow! The largest hub!!! But the hub needs to be fed, and not with semolina porridge, and there are plenty of hangers-on with spoons at the ready. Greed.
  2. +6
    April 8 2024 04: 52
    sooner or later all the problems will be overcome, and we will actually have a Russian aircraft on domestic routes.

    Your words are in God's ears. Stop relying on partners already. As they said in school, “Lenin said to share, but Stalin said to have your own.” This is what we need to do according to Stalinsky.
    1. +2
      April 8 2024 12: 38
      By the way, based on the Il-114 there are options for producing PLO and AWACS aircraft
      1. +2
        April 8 2024 19: 53
        By the way, based on the Il-114 there are options for producing PLO and AWACS aircraft

        An AWACS aircraft based on Il-114 would be nice, but the ASW aircraft should only be jet
        1. 0
          April 9 2024 11: 56
          as an option, for starters, you can use the turboprop Il-114 PLO to help with the Il-38N
          1. +1
            April 10 2024 11: 57
            The Il-38N is a long-outdated archaism that simply has nothing to detect with either modern MAPL or diesel-electric submarines, and an ASW aircraft based on the Il-114 will be just as good for nothing, it’s just money down the drain. The fleet needs a new ASW aircraft operating on new principles, similar to the American Poseidon, which can be made on the basis of the Tu-204/214.
            Although the best PLO aircraft in the world is, of course, Kawasaki, we can’t handle that.
            1. 0
              April 12 2024 08: 47
              actually PLO is divided into zones
              for example, in the near zone it is possible in conjunction with the Il-38 and Ka-27
              and in the far zone the Tu-142DPLS and a promising submarine based on the Tu-204/214
  3. +9
    April 8 2024 04: 54
    Good topic, with an unpleasant introduction.

    .. in Tashkent, where Russian specialists built a factory (TAPO named after Chkalov) with a production capacity of up to 100 aircraft per year. Today the plant produces cauldrons for pilaf and other, more popular products for Uzbekistan; you will have to forget about planes from Tashkent.


    With the collapse of the Union, the enterprise, as an aircraft manufacturing enterprise, died for a long time. Attempts to revive production ended in complete failure. Uzbekistan, like Russia, began to purchase aircraft for civil aviation abroad, as Gaidar bequeathed, we will buy everything by selling resources. A country with a developed technical base turned out to be repurposed.
    1. +31
      April 8 2024 05: 28
      Normal introduction. At one time, the director of the Tashket plant even blocked the metro supply to their area. So that the plant can operate normally. This was under the USSR. Nowadays, the Uzbeks have raised the stop price for the transfer of CD and equipment to the Il-76. Note that this aircraft was not designed in Uzbekistan. The IL-476 had to be reengineered from the existing IL-76.
      Such unpleasant introductions and continuations. One country you say? Well, well... I lived in it. And I know the real attitude of all national outskirts towards the center.
      1. -2
        April 8 2024 07: 04
        Quote: MCmaximus
        At one time, the director of the Tashket plant even blocked the metro supply to their area. So that the plant can operate normally. This was under the USSR.
        What year was it? I was in Tashkent in 1987, when we went to the market on leave, the whole market... everyone was running around wassat It’s impossible to buy a flatbread without causing panic laughing
        Then we look, they crawl out of all the cracks (it’s unclear what they were afraid of, we only went in groups of 3-5 people)
        Then the locals explained: from afar it is not visible that you have SA on your shoulder straps lol
        Well, they talked about some of their own, Akhmadjon Adylov, whose dungeons were supposedly taken by ours by storm... They were put under a lot of pressure then, and were remembered for a long time. Couldn’t we really press some director then? Yes, if they had come into his office in uniform, he would have jumped out of the window out of fear. lol
        1. +6
          April 8 2024 15: 12
          I think I asked in Russian: name the year in which the director jumped with a saucepan on his head and banned the subway. For those who “I’m not like that, I’m waiting for the tram” I explain:
          In Tashkent from 1979 to 1989 he was headquarters of TurkVO (call sign "Kumach"). It was the only district in the USSR conducting military operations (in Afghanistan). By the way, AWACS were constantly taking off from the airfield in Tashkent (the first time I saw them alive then). Do you really believe that a “waiting director” jumped right next to the heart of the warring army and banned the metro?
          PS and the locals there were really intimidated by a certain Adylov, they were afraid to even say his last name out loud (like Beria 2.0), but at that time we had a multinational army and those Uzbeks who served in our unit told these stories on the sly anonymously (like the security of their local Beria had 3000 people, considered his personal army, but these are their local fears/rumors).
          So I've been waiting for a year, a specific NUMBER.
        2. 0
          April 12 2024 07: 09
          Yes, the director did not block the metro supply to the plant, but lobbied for it! And the metro was right next to the entrance. Precisely to make it convenient for people to get to work!
    2. +7
      April 8 2024 06: 44
      You are right, Azim. The most powerful country has been repurposed as a third world country. Natural resources for the bourgeoisie and money for the resources. I know what I'm writing about. He himself participated in the production of "galoshes" with which the Motherland lives and fights.
      And thanks to Roman for the ray at the end of the tunnel hi
      1. -8
        April 8 2024 12: 35
        Natural resources for the bourgeoisie and money for resources

        I know what I'm writing about

        good to chatter
        for the extraction of resources they pay a mineral extraction tax (MET)
        for example, from 1 ton of oil or 1 thousand cubic meters of gas = 919 rubles
        1. +3
          April 8 2024 21: 27
          Quote: Romario_Argo
          good to chatter
          for the extraction of resources they pay a mineral extraction tax (MET)
          for example, from 1 ton of oil or 1 thousand cubic meters of gas = 919 rubles

          Would you like to tell me about the damper? This is when the country, on the contrary, pays oil workers extra if the profit seems insufficient to them..
          1. 0
            April 9 2024 11: 54
            pays oil workers extra

            It’s strange, all oil companies have state participation - what’s the point of chasing money inside the treasury?
            1. 0
              April 9 2024 22: 37
              Quote: Romario_Argo
              It’s strange, all oil companies have state participation - what’s the point of chasing money inside the treasury?

              Exactly what with the participation.. Rosneft for example:
              As of July 2018, Rosneftegaz owns 50% of the shares, British BP - 19,75%, Swiss-Qatari consortium QHG Oil Ventures - 19,5%

              The state here is only Rosneftegaz, the rest are British and a closed private consortium. (plus a little bit sold through IPO). At the same time, as far as I remember, oil workers demanded for themselves for 2022. - about a trillion rubles of damper (in addition to profit). Even the old cynic Siluanov was slightly taken aback. hi
  4. +3
    April 8 2024 05: 07
    What special can you say about what you wrote?
    The plane is being tested - thank God. Hurry up.
    On application: It’s not to say that a country is suffocating without such an aircraft. After all, he lives somehow. Yes, there is a demand for such an aircraft, there is where and how to put it on the line. It is possible that there is somewhere
    train pilots for it.
    But there is a feeling that the first episode will go to the military. They also have a demand for just such devices.
    In any case, this matter needs to be developed and moved forward.
    1. +2
      April 8 2024 05: 43
      the first episode will go to the military
      In its original version, the aircraft was not intended for cargo transportation, which means it was less interesting for the army. Although later they may finish it, as was the case with the An-26
  5. +2
    April 8 2024 05: 18
    And the path at the end of the tunnel is visible (c) GDP 2000
  6. +1
    April 8 2024 05: 19
    Tell me, why do the IL-112 and 114 have such a difference in wing area? 65 and 80 squares? And there are still people who are offended by the Il-112, which I consider bobtailed.
    1. +6
      April 8 2024 05: 39
      Tell me, why do the IL-112 and 114 have such a difference in wing area?
      Well, these are completely different machines that have different tasks. Il-112 is a ramp aircraft, and Il-114 is a passenger aircraft. Combines only a common engine and a single design bureau
      1. +4
        April 8 2024 05: 43
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Combines only a common engine and a single design bureau

        And also the take-off weight and the weight of the cargo, while the IL-112 must also fly from unpaved strips. request
        1. +4
          April 8 2024 05: 46
          at the same time, the IL-112 should also fly from unpaved strips
          If everything works out with the engine, then everything with the airplanes will go like clockwork.
          1. +1
            April 8 2024 05: 46
            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            If everything works out with the engine, then everything with the airplanes will go like clockwork.

            With 114 for sure.
    2. 0
      April 9 2024 09: 49
      Tell me, why do the IL-112 and 114 have such a difference in wing area?

      Because they were built to meet different requirements. The Il-112 is a cargo plane where everything is optimized for transporting small cargo over a reasonable range and flight duration, and the Il-114 was built to replace the Il-18 and was used as a base for all sorts of patrol, anti-submarine and AWACS aircraft. And for this we need as long a flight duration and range as possible. That's why the wing is big. More than a passenger plane needs. Is it a joke that the article says up to 5600 km at a speed of 500 km/h, does that mean 11 hours to fly on this tarantay? In passenger aviation, a jet aircraft must fly this distance. But for a patrolman - that’s it.
      1. +1
        April 9 2024 10: 06
        Quote: alexmach
        and the Il-114 was built to replace the Il-18

        Seriously? A machine with a lifting capacity of 5 tons to replace a 15 tonne?!
        1. +1
          April 9 2024 10: 24
          Agree. The IL-18 is a noticeably larger aircraft.
  7. +7
    April 8 2024 05: 21
    Boeings and Airbuses are brought in parts from all over the world and assembled at one plant. And nothing. People are still standing in line behind them.
    It's called cooperation.
    1. +7
      April 8 2024 05: 39
      Boeing, due to the number of aircraft produced, keeps the price acceptable to the client. And their service is all over the world. In addition, Airbus is hot on the heels and does not allow Boeing to become too impudent - competition.
      This is what kind of service will be on the IL-114.... I remember such a rake has already been attempted with the Skperjet.
      1. +2
        April 8 2024 09: 24
        Boeing is in big trouble right now. He almost lost the competition to Airbus. Management consistently jumped on the efficiency rake and reached the obvious result. This is a classic excess, when a working system was changed too quickly and deeply. Boeing's biggest question now is whether it will have enough time to correct the situation, or whether efficiency will finally ruin the company.
    2. +3
      April 8 2024 10: 50
      Quote: MCmaximus
      Boeings and Airbuses are brought in parts from all over the world and assembled at one plant. And nothing.

      Yeah... Boeing is doing so well that hatches with loose bolts come off during flight. And a witness who testified against the company in a case of poor product quality is found dead in the parking lot.
      1. +3
        April 8 2024 15: 13
        You shouldn’t look for an excuse for yourself with a bad example “from them”.
        More recently, Boeing was a model company. So far, effective managers have not gotten there. And they didn’t optimize their own security requirements.
  8. +11
    April 8 2024 05: 49
    Actually, TV-117 engines are also used on the Mi-38. The helicopter is produced in small series (and not because of the engines, but due to low demand compared to the Mi-8/17). The problems with the TV-117 began from the moment they decided to force them; it was just a working moment that was greatly extended in time (due to the specific attitude of the native authorities towards native aviation) and, as a result, seemed insoluble. The Il-112 disaster is a complex of reasons; you can’t (as is done now) point a finger and say - this crap is to blame for everything, and it was removed, I think, rather for political reasons.
  9. +3
    April 8 2024 07: 25
    Well, the author writes that it’s not clear why they were divided into different factories, but let’s read what others have?! 35 states are involved in the creation of the F-49!!! That is, in each state some detail is made or something is assembled, this provides financing for enterprises, jobs, kickbacks and bribes, people live. The same thing, financing one plant will ruin others. The main thing is that there should be serial production, and where is not so important.
  10. -6
    April 8 2024 07: 51
    Are inter-district planes really needed? If, for example, I need to go 300 km to my mother-in-law or take my wife to the regional center 600 km away, I would prefer my personal car (even an old foreign car), provided that there is an asphalt highway, because I don’t need to bother with tickets, the price is who float, think about how to get to the place from the airport, stand in queues for registration, always be afraid of being late, etc. Of course, some insignificant part of the Russian population lives in the north, but the helicopter was created for them.
    1. +2
      April 8 2024 08: 13
      Are inter-district planes really needed?
      This plane is planned to replace the old and hard worker An-24, for which the middle highway was his bread
    2. +4
      April 8 2024 15: 17
      When the question of regional development comes up, a person from Maskva always appears and starts saying that they don’t need it. They have everything. The main thing is to get water bottles.
      Have you ever flown by helicopter? Thousand kilometers?
      You'll be dying of lousy appendicitis somewhere far away, I'd like to see it.
      1. 0
        April 8 2024 19: 08
        He has flown all types of domestic civilian helicopters and airplanes. He was even saved from death by helicopter from the Stanovoy Ridge.
        1. 0
          April 9 2024 13: 06
          Are inter-district planes really needed?

          Both are infrastructure, and they need to be developed. Well, yes, the same road network in the European part and beyond the Urals is developed differently. And here we are probably talking not only about the far north. Well, in the vastness of Siberia, inter-regional distances may not be 300 km at all. In Soviet times, for some reason they thought that even inter-district ones were needed.
        2. 0
          April 10 2024 06: 02
          So how is it? Do you need aviation in those parts? Just people? Who live there?
          I had a choice under the USSR: An-2 for 25 rubles. Or by bus (with one change) for 10 rubles. Moreover, taking into account departure in the afternoon, with an overnight stay in Kachuga. And this - there was no question of urgency at all.
          Or some Irkutsk - Bodaibo.... Yes, and closer is not much better.
  11. +10
    April 8 2024 07: 51
    The signed photograph is simply the quintessence of Russian statehood. We spit in the face of the Soviet past, destroy Soviet industry and its accompanying services (culture, education, medicine), and then solemnly release a Soviet plane with the signing of documents on a Soviet car. Wow, you can get crazy from realizing this. Why not a Muscovite, who was proudly represented by the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade himself with Sobyanin. Changan could, so to speak, be licked by the Chinese.
  12. +10
    April 8 2024 07: 53
    1. Il-114-100 was produced in Tashkent, where Russian specialists built a factory (TAPO named after Chkalov).
    -Actually, there were Tatars, Ukrainians, Jews, and Germans there.
    2. The engine received a new auxiliary power unit TA 14-114, which should provide greater autonomy of the aircraft during maintenance and preparation for flight at poorly equipped airfields.
    -It was not the engine that received the APU, but the aircraft.
    3. What prevents you from assembling the entire aircraft at the site of production of the main majority of components... this approach will still affect the final cost of the aircraft..
    -Transportation of such a small fuselage is pennies compared to the cost of the aircraft.
  13. exo
    +3
    April 8 2024 10: 26
    The Uzbeks had an IL-114 with American engines, propellers and avionics that flew well. Avionics, we are creating at the very least. Even if not always from domestic components. But the propeller-motor group (and we need to talk specifically about this combination) is a weak point. The development of the long-suffering TV7-117 has taken too long. This is the case when the lack of competition in engine construction ruins good aircraft.
    And as a base for the same AWACS, the plane would be very good.
  14. +4
    April 8 2024 10: 28
    The l-114-300 must carry up to 68 passengers and 1500 kg of commercial load with a maximum fuel supply, on which the aircraft must fly up to 5 km
    - 5600 km is the ferry range of an empty, unloaded vehicle; at full load, divide the numbers by three.... hi
    1. +3
      April 8 2024 13: 52
      In the line of aircraft, everything has long been taken into account.... the recent trend is that SSZh class aircraft are pushing turboprops into a smaller class.
  15. +4
    April 8 2024 11: 05
    IL-114 will not be able to operate from the ground. The reason is simple - the engines are low, the diameter of the blades is large - here you need a good strip, not large, not wide, but not soil. A kind of regional SUV, the need for such cars is 70-100 units, no more. The Lukhovitsky plant should be able to handle it, I think they can handle 8-10 per year. But not at once. Ladoga should become truly widespread, it will definitely take off from the ground, but it just doesn’t exist yet.
    1. +2
      April 8 2024 13: 50
      I’ve been hearing about “strips” for about 30 years (I’ve been interested in aviation for as long as I’ve been) ... it was already possible to build 96 km everywhere under the Il3 ... especially since this is a civilian aircraft. With one foot about "Grunt" - others start a song about Economy and the cost of a flight hour.....and vice versa.
      1. 0
        April 10 2024 06: 15
        The construction of a 3000 X 60 runway, capable of receiving long-haul aircraft, costs 25-40 billion rubles. And this is without equipment, taxiing, etc. Where can I get that kind of money?
        1. 0
          April 10 2024 07: 36
          30 years have passed, I won’t say anything about how much money was taken out of the country and how much was lost...and you can build not 3 km, but less. And you need to calculate the cost and mass production of the aircraft and its analogue with landing on the ground. This is a complex matter. And the difference is like IL96 and IL76.
  16. +2
    April 8 2024 11: 15
    We can make an OTRK that has no analogues in the world, but a decent middle-class car is simply fantastic!
    With the same aircraft ...
    1. 0
      April 9 2024 13: 10
      And this has rational economic justifications.
      1. 0
        April 28 2024 09: 00
        Well, yes, that’s why, with an open market, we sell Chinese “N2 products” in the form of cars by the trainload. Having every opportunity to saturate the market with your products. But why, it’s easier to bring a vehicle kit from China and assemble it with two bolts and sell it here, collecting a quick profit.
  17. +1
    April 8 2024 13: 20
    Difficult 10 years await us, but Russia will have wings.
  18. 0
    April 8 2024 13: 47
    It’s strange that the TV1-117 flies normally on helicopters, but there are such difficulties in an airplane. Although, in a helicopter the load is higher on both the theater and the gearbox
  19. +4
    April 8 2024 15: 08
    Some inconsistencies in the article. Il2020, shown in 114 on all TV channels, was more than 20 years old. The only thing new on it was fresh paint in Aeroflot colors. It’s just that in 3 days Putin’s annual address was being prepared, and it was necessary to report.
    Now about the strip. Unfortunately, this type of aircraft cannot be serviced from unpaved runways. Because The motors are too low and can suck up debris from the ground.
    And Volga Gaz24 in the photo looks like pure props. Where it was taken from and for what purposes is unclear. The last thing GAZ produced before 02/22 were minibuses from German and American car kits
    1. +2
      April 8 2024 16: 24
      GAZ-24 has been at VASO for a long time. And on the go. This tradition is probably half a century old
  20. +2
    April 8 2024 15: 18
    Quote: Glagol1
    IL-114 will not be able to operate from the ground. The reason is simple - the engines are low, the diameter of the blades is large - here you need a good strip, not large, not wide, but not soil. A kind of regional SUV, the need for such cars is 70-100 units, no more. The Lukhovitsky plant should be able to handle it, I think they can handle 8-10 per year. But not at once. Ladoga should become truly widespread, it will definitely take off from the ground, but it just doesn’t exist yet.

    Well, yes. And on the way - a supersonic business jet for 40 seats with an intercontinental flight range
  21. +2
    April 8 2024 16: 17
    for the north, I don’t like the fact that it’s a low-wing plane, which means the propellers are low, just watch how the An24 takes off from other airfields into a sea of ​​mud. the screws will hit regularly. and the cost of replacing blades
  22. +3
    April 8 2024 16: 40
    Dear Author, he bent a little about the components for the 114th from Tashkent. TAPOiCh went bankrupt in 2012, transferring all assets, territories, including LIS (airfield) Timur Yullari (railway) and what was left of the aircraft, rot. There was a case where fuselages, wings, tails were taken out from several Il76s on the highway to Russia in February 2017 (see on YouTube). Nothing is known about the 114th, maybe the sides? Now on 90% of territory B (the main TAPOiCh) there is a technopark of a wide profile.
  23. +1
    April 8 2024 17: 24
    Why set the task for the Il-114-300 to fly 5 km at a cruising speed of 600 km/h? 500 o'clock!!!!! That's bullshit!
  24. +1
    April 8 2024 18: 28
    The only place that causes not only concern, but complete uncertainty of success is the engine.


    Have the problems with the overweight hull and imbalance been resolved yet?
    And one and a half tons of ballast are no longer needed?
    1. 0
      1 May 2024 17: 46
      This is about the Il-112V. 114 is fine
  25. -1
    April 8 2024 18: 29
    Just the same - national concern - what do we care? - there are air carrier companies - even if they think - how to transport and earn money for themselves tongue
    1. +1
      April 9 2024 15: 20
      but they don’t even think) why they should) have settled down well... they’re almost asking for subsidies from the budget and so on))
  26. +1
    April 8 2024 21: 23
    The tunnel is very long, and the light at the end is dim - dim....
  27. +1
    April 8 2024 22: 32
    The author is wrong - TV-7-117 engines are supplied by MPP named after Chernyshev, which the brave innovators from ROSTEC sold for development.
    Klimov has been dead for a long time, and he never engaged in mass production.
    Well, if Badeja got down to business, then the project can already be buried.
    1. +1
      April 9 2024 15: 22
      it’s not about the project, but about the money for those projects) projects and deadlines can always be moved and asked for more money.. money) there is no responsibility
  28. +1
    April 9 2024 15: 19
    I wonder why it didn’t work out with Tashkent?))) because in reality there’s nothing left there?)
  29. +1
    April 10 2024 14: 14
    Let's remember first, was anything done on time in the Russian Federation? We keep changing dates. I'm betting on minus this time
  30. 0
    April 10 2024 18: 32
    When people like Novozhilov work in the Federal Air Transport Agency, then everything will fall into place and everything will work as it should for us, not for the Americans.
  31. 0
    April 11 2024 22: 57
    How good it is that during the Union there were no “specialists” a la Skmorokhov
  32. 0
    April 14 2024 17: 58
    Alas, there are grabbers in power, they don’t care about aviation.
  33. 0
    April 16 2024 07: 00
    All the talk, talk... In the 80s, planes flew from Perm to more than 40 cities of the USSR, including direct flights to Nizhny every other day. Ticket price is about 7 rubles.
  34. 0
    4 May 2024 20: 01
    Quote: Arkady007
    . It seems to me that this pepelats will very soon and for a long time take its place in the sky.

    This “epic” has lasted so long that the children have grown up. How painful everything is for us! The An-24 is only of the 21st century. It was produced in the hundreds, but here the engine has been “finished” for ten years. crying hi