Ukraine will not receive the new British wunderwaffle

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Ukraine will not receive the new British wunderwaffle

The British military reported a successful test of a combat laser system. The Ukrainian side immediately showed a readiness to use these weapons in real, rather than testing conditions. The British are still silent, apparently somewhat stunned.

However, there is nothing surprising here; Zelensky is ready to take everything, even potatoes, as long as it’s for free or “at a price.” Therefore, if you offer Mr. President someone who spits some kind of arrow, he will take it. The situation is such that you have to take everything that is given.




Here, of course, the problem is that the British did not offer the laser to anyone, they had only just completed the tests themselves. But here you need to understand that if they don’t offer it, you have to beg and extort it yourself. This is what Kyiv is doing, despite the fact that the majority of donors are already starting to feel sick.

But now we’ll just figure out whether it’s worth tearing our throats out for a laser at all, is it such a superweapon today, in an era of changing concepts?

In general, a combat laser is one of the longest developments in the world. stories. The technology has been developed since the middle of the last century, and now, one might say, something meaningful has finally emerged. Why only now? It’s simple: right now, scientific and technological progress has made it possible to build devices not the size of a house, but much smaller, so that we are talking about installing lasers on cars and even airplanes.

Plus compact power supplies, because at the time of the invention of the first lasers aimed at combat use, they should have been placed exclusively near power plants.

Powering the laser system with electrical energy has become the main obstacle to the actual use of the laser in combat. It's really stupid to have a combat system that has to be dragged around by a mobile power station supplying electricity. The advent of polymer hydride batteries based on lithium cells has practically solved this problem. At least this saved designers from building combat lasers next to power plants.


Laser weapon, once it came into use, it could have a number of advantages over the traditional one: laser beams propagate at the speed of light, so there is no need to calculate the lead and movement of the target at distances less than 300 km. The speed of light is 000 m/s; a light “shot” at such a speed will not give the target any opportunity to evade. In addition, the laser beam is not affected by any forces that deflect the flight of a bullet or projectile: air resistance, the gravitational field of the planet, and so on.

That is, you don’t have to bother yourself with mathematics, if you catch the target in the crosshairs, pull the trigger and everything will be great.


The laser can change focus on the target, the laser has no recoil since the light has almost zero energy impulse. In general, there are many advantages.

There are also disadvantages that have been known for a very long time. Although the range of use of laser weapons far exceeds the range of traditional kinetic, ballistic and jet weapons, it directly depends on atmospheric conditions such as rain, fog, smoke and the power of the energy source.

The question is, how relevant can laser be today?

Air defense and a number of other conflicts have already forced us to reconsider the entire concept of short-range air defense in the US Army. Everything is being reviewed, but short-range air defense - especially since the new enemy of everything - the kamkaze drone - has practically deprived ground troops of protection and made them vulnerable.

Not long ago we talked about this topic, and yes, the American strategy is based precisely on air superiority, and this has been the case for many years and nothing can be done about it.

Alas, the vast majority of traditional air defense systems are practically useless against drones. And if we look at the price lists and see that for the cost of one anti-missile missile from the Patriot complex we can make a hundred kamikaze drones, then a lot becomes clear. And the main thing is the need to change not just the air defense concept, but also its components.

That is, we need new weapons systems that can reliably destroy UAVs in the air.


And here is the laser. With its strengths and weaknesses. The Americans really want to put a laser system on the Stryker armored personnel carrier, and in the future select more effective platforms and place lasers on ships. The latter are generally easy, there is enough energy, and there are no special problems with space either.

This month, the British reported a successful test of a long-range laser weapon. The Dragonfire system was tested at the Hebrides Islands test site, where various missile tests are carried out. Shot down various Drones and, it seems, even mortar shells.

The final test results are, of course, classified. The military department claims that the weapon is capable of hitting almost any visible target, but the main advantage of the “Dragon Flame” is its cost. The Minister of Defense announced a figure: one shot costs about ten pounds sterling.

The very next day, a message arrived from Kyiv that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were ready to test Dragonfire in combat conditions, but London pretended not to hear. As they say, you need such a cow yourself.

The laser as such on the battlefield is not new at all; in addition to American and British systems, Israel, Russia, and China have their own developments. But so far no one is in a hurry to use them, as well as to share information on how effective these systems are.

We are no exception; the Peresvet BLK is not a type of weapon about which everything is known.


On the contrary, all that is known is a laser capable of deducing the seeker of missiles and UAVs, and it exists. Dot. At the same time, in addition to Peresvet, information also flashed that Russia is working on the next generation of laser weapons, capable of not blinding, but destroying targets with thermal effects.

Work on weapons capable of hitting targets with thermal effects is not going as successfully, but there seems to be some progress. At least, according to the statements of the then curator of the military-industrial complex Borisov, the development and testing of a new generation of laser weapons capable of replacing short-range missiles such as “Thor” and “Pantsir”. But not over the entire missile range, but at a distance of up to 5 kilometers.

It was stated that Russian developments were successfully being tested and targets in the form of copter and aircraft-type drones were hit by a heat ray.

The Americans also intended to use lasers in approximately the same way, and they never stopped work on creating these weapons for a year. The dream of the special operations command was long-range installations of decent power, capable of launching communication systems, control center equipment, and so on. The main thing is that it is completely silent.

The second dream was a fighter equipped with laser weapons. Well, the laser turned out to be too heavy for a fighter, but there is a flying fortress, the AC-130J “Ghostrider” direct fire support aircraft for ground forces. True, things didn’t work out very well with him either, and recently the tests were finally stopped. Apparently, the installation and normal operation of a combat laser on an aircraft is not a matter of the near future.

But speaking in principle, the laser as a weapon can work. However, we should not forget how much this type of weapon depends on external factors. Combat effectiveness is greatly influenced by weather conditions in the form of rain, fog, snow, dust, and the fight tanks against laser-guided ATGMs led to the use of smoke, aerosols and metal suspension. All this can greatly limit the effect of the laser.

In addition, the laser hits targets exclusively within line of sight, that is, depending on the above weather conditions, from 500 to 5000 meters. That is, the weapon of the very last line of air defense defense, the role of which today is played by automatic cannons and multi-barreled rapid-firing machine guns. And they don't do it that badly.


Both small arms and MZA have one more additional advantage: they, of course, unmask themselves a little, but a laser beam does this much more effectively. The era of "Pew-Pew" from "Star Wars" has not yet arrived, so the beam takes a few seconds to "fry" the target. Accordingly, unmasking is underway in full, and on the second or third “shot” a “hello” can already arrive at the laser complex. So to speak, with laser beam guidance.

However, once upon a time a small-sized electronic warfare station, today called a “drone-piercing gun,” was quite a fantasy. Moreover, just some 7-8 years. And today, “drone strikes” are a completely common occurrence in the trenches. And – quite effective.

It is quite possible that miniaturization and scientific and technological progress will do their job and in a few years, if not weapons of imperial militants, then small-sized lasers with high energy efficiency will appear in service.

“Quite possibly” and “in a few years” are very vague, of course, but that’s exactly how things stand today.

In any case, drones have no other enemy yet, and small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery plus small arms is so far the best way to combat small UAVs, practice has already shown this. Plus small-sized electronic warfare systems, which are also called “trench electronic warfare.”

The laser air defense system seems to be a very promising type of weapon, and it is really great for fighting kamikaze drones, but there are still too many restrictions, some of them, moreover, will never disappear.
Speaking about Kyiv’s desire to get combat lasers, there is nothing like that. “Shaheds” and “Geranis” need to be destroyed with something, and therefore Zelensky is clutching at any straw. But here everything looks very funny, because naturally, Kyiv will not receive any laser weapons. And not because the British or Americans are sorry, although the financial side of the issue is also important.

Something else is important: almost everything that was transferred by the allies to Ukraine in one form or another falls into the possession of the Russian side. Yes, something beyond repair, but subject to research. That is precisely why none of the new weapons were given to Kyiv, precisely because it could later end up with potential adversaries, Russia and China. It is very likely that the Russian military may share information with their Chinese colleagues.

That is why Kyiv does not receive new and latest types of weapons, but only old ones, which are of no value as an object of study. That is why the same Germans, who bowed to the United States and took on most of the costs of maintaining Ukraine, are creaking, but are not giving away new Taurus and Leopards. It will be useful for you.

The laser will definitely find a home in the trenches as an auxiliary weapon. But this will not happen very soon.
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  1. -3
    29 March 2024 04: 04
    The British military reported a successful test of a combat laser system.

    Will anyone believe or be able to verify this report?
    They'll cut it, they won't charge much...
    The Ukrainian side immediately showed a readiness to use these weapons in real, rather than testing conditions. The British are still silent, apparently somewhat stunned.

    Yeah, they immediately gave the idiots a glass bolt.
    And the British will remain silent, and suddenly it turns out that there is no compliance with what was declared... belay
  2. -3
    29 March 2024 04: 18
    They shot down various drones and, it seems, even mortar shells.

    The Brits provided a photo of a “shot down” mortar mine. Only by the nature of the damage can we confidently say that the mine did not fly, but lay stupidly (in a motionless position). In general, these characters are a lot of fun. Therefore, Zelya will not receive the Death Star in any case.
    1. +4
      29 March 2024 04: 42
      Therefore, Zelya will not receive the Death Star in any case.
      That's it, guys, I won't give you a machine gun! tongue
    2. +8
      29 March 2024 04: 45
      Quote: Tagan

      The Brits provided a photo of a “shot down” mortar mine. Only by the nature of the damage can we confidently say that the mine did not fly, but lay stupidly (in a stationary position).

      I remember this case:
    3. -1
      29 March 2024 10: 23
      There is no talk of adoption yet, much less export to other countries. This is still just testing. I also had suspicions that it was trash when I read it on Nevi Lookout.
      1. -2
        29 March 2024 16: 32
        Quote: TermNachTER
        There is no talk of adoption yet,
        , but how can you adopt something that does not exist in nature? Here is what the author of the article writes:
        The advent of polymer hydride batteries based on lithium cells has practically solved this problem.
        But there are no such batteries, there never were and never will be! As an old electrochemist and HIT specialist with half a century of experience, I declare.
        1. -2
          29 March 2024 16: 59
          That's what I'm saying - it's trash. I read it a couple of weeks ago, on Nevi Lookout.
        2. -1
          30 March 2024 14: 09
          Quote: astepanov
          As an old electrochemist and HIT specialist with half a century of experience, I declare.

          You and the author are saying nonsense. The energy source for powering the laser can be a combination of a 100 kV generator, intermediate batteries and capacitors. That is, even if you stupidly turn on the laser like a flashlight, you can provide a constant 30-50 kV, but in reality we are talking about pulses of several seconds and this does not require much energy in total. The Germans have long tested and demonstrated to potential customers back in 2011 a 30 kV laser based on the Boxer armored personnel carrier. Everything fits there and everything works great.
          1. +1
            30 March 2024 15: 06
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            The energy source for powering the laser can be a combination of a 100 kV generator, intermediate batteries and capacitors.
            Reverend, did I mention the impossibility of creating a laser and a power source? I said that there were no “polymer hydride batteries based on lithium cells”, there are no and there never will be. Let me decipher: there are metal hydride batteries, there are lithium-ion batteries, and there is a polymer electrolyte, and everything in one batch is incompatible for fundamental reasons, and the bob-pig hybrid, invented by the author of the main post, is the result of illiteracy. Any other complaints?
  3. +1
    29 March 2024 05: 10
    Well, the laser turned out to be too heavy for a fighter, but the news is a flying fortress, a direct fire support aircraft for ground forces AC-130J “Ghostrider”. True, things didn’t work out very well with him either, and recently the tests were finally stopped. Apparently, the installation and normal operation of a combat laser on an aircraft is not a matter of the near future.

    It’s just that this particular plane doesn’t need a laser for nothing. I think that even a rifle bullet is not inferior in power to an average laser, not to mention artillery systems, and the shooting conditions from top to bottom are the most favorable for gunpowder weapons.
    1. +2
      29 March 2024 08: 09
      I think that even a rifle bullet will not be inferior in power to an average laser
      The point here is not at all about power, if by “power” you mean kinetic energy, but about a large amount of transmitted energy, combined into a single beam. The bullet will simply pierce the metal sheet, and the laser will burn through it
      1. 0
        29 March 2024 10: 00
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        The bullet will simply pierce the metal sheet, and the laser will burn through it

        And the shell will turn everything around. I'm talking about a specific case when shooting is carried out from top to bottom.
      2. 0
        29 March 2024 18: 04
        and the laser will burn through it
        And I will make a metal sheet mirror and make it rotate, no one will burn through it!
    2. 0
      29 March 2024 11: 21
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It’s just that this particular plane doesn’t need a laser for nothing. I think that even a rifle bullet is not inferior in power to an average laser, not to mention artillery systems, and the shooting conditions from top to bottom are the most favorable for gunpowder weapons.

      Hehehehe... this aircraft does not need a laser for another reason - the evolution of "gunships" in the context of strengthening short-range air defense of ground targets has followed the same path as that of attack aircraft. The number of launchers on board is reduced, and launchers for missile launchers are installed instead. "Ganships" are gradually turning from air gunboats into air missile ships - just as in the ShA there is a change from brrrrrrt carriers to URO and UAB carriers.
      1. 0
        29 March 2024 11: 27
        Quote: Alexey RA
        "Gunships" are gradually turning from air gunboats into air missile ships - just as in the Sha, there is a change from brrrrrrt carriers to carriers of guided missiles and UAB.

        It’s not to drive out the turban-bearers, yes. But “gradually” is not the same as “immediately”.

        Quote: Alexey RA
        brrrrrt
        good
  4. 0
    29 March 2024 05: 30
    The main word in the vocabulary is give
  5. 0
    29 March 2024 06: 08
    Why do rocks need lasers? Even without a laser, for the joy of everything, the so-called. the "world community" is being well disposed of wink
  6. BAI
    +1
    29 March 2024 06: 19
    Laser (wearable) systems for destroying optics were made a long time ago. They were accepted and withdrawn from service. Although it’s better not to think of anything against drone optics
  7. +2
    29 March 2024 06: 56
    Light is a flexible concept. Extensible from hard gamma rays to thermal infrared. A laser is simply a way of concentrating beams to increase power and range. But even a concentrated beam, as it travels a distance, diverges into a cone and leaves on the target not a hole, but a spot of light. In order for a laser to show combat effectiveness, it must be pumped up by a supernova or fired at short distances. And one more thing - the laser can only be used in the direct line of sight of the target. Treat the laser position with smoke shells - and *star wars" won't even start.
    1. +1
      29 March 2024 08: 00
      But even a concentrated beam diverges into a cone as it travels a distance
      As the distance passes, the beam loses its energy, and therefore its damaging properties. Those. the higher the plane or rocket is, the less the ability of the directional beam
  8. 0
    29 March 2024 07: 34
    “When talking about Kyiv’s desire to get combat lasers, there is nothing like that. “Shaheds” and “Geranis” need to be destroyed with something, and therefore Zelensky is clutching at any straw.”

    As far as I understand, there is no point in shooting down these particular UAVs with a laser, they are noisy and slow. They are knocked down by everything that shoots, up to a slingshot. From a cannon at sparrows.
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  10. +1
    29 March 2024 07: 46
    In addition, the laser beam is not affected by any forces that deflect the flight of a bullet or projectile: air resistance, the gravitational field of the planet, and so on.

    That is, you don’t have to bother yourself with mathematics, if you catch the target in the crosshairs, pull the trigger and everything will be great.


    What about the effect of light refraction and scattering? At such distances and in heterogeneous environments, they are worth considering!
    1. +1
      29 March 2024 08: 13
      What about the effect of light refraction and scattering?
      This is one of the disadvantages of the laser. Moreover, there are serious shortcomings that have been fought over for several decades
      1. 0
        29 March 2024 15: 54
        There is also such a disadvantage as reflection. As long as lasers have not been taken beyond the ranges and no one cares, you can burn ordinary shells and mines at the range. But once they take it to the battlefield, it suddenly turns out that titanium white suddenly counters the miracle of technology. You can't reflect a bullet like this, but you can
        1. -1
          29 March 2024 17: 31
          There is also such a disadvantage as reflection. ... that titanium white suddenly counters the miracle of technology

          Place the mirror in sunlight and find that its amalgam backing on the back side... becomes warm after a while)))
          Scientists were only glad that they were able to harness a 10 kW laser using a DIAMOND mirror (and a specially etched nanostructure, and not just a polished mineral). Fools, they should have covered it with titanium white.
          1. 0
            29 March 2024 18: 55
            In fact, the sun emits a fairly wide spectrum, and aluminum and silver do not reflect short wavelengths very much, aluminum for example reflects only 90% of shortwaves. Silver is even less. And glass partially absorbs light, you can just touch the glass. But white reflects almost all the incident light. But in the wrong direction, so you can’t put them into the laser, but you can protect yourself from it. Just more layers. This is for your development, otherwise you are always talking anti-scientific nonsense)))
            1. 0
              April 1 2024 10: 27
              But white reflects almost all the incident light.

              Due to your lack of a theoretical basis, I recommend conducting a full-scale experiment - buy titanium white for painting in any hobby goods store, paint a metal plate, go to any workshop with a laser welding and cutting machine, even at 1,5 kW and in coating removal mode and personally make sure that titanium white does not “counter” the miracle of technology lol
              Maybe this will motivate you to study physics and find out how the optical properties of a medium change depending on the spectral flux density of the radiation.
  11. -2
    29 March 2024 07: 50
    No, it’s not possible to make fools of the impudent people. Soon Lizka and the prince will have to be given as a gift. You can't get rid of these scoundrels with round eyes. But what an extravaganza it will be for the whole world with us, Ukrainian aircraft carriers in the Black Sea. Sagaidak is in their order.))
  12. 0
    29 March 2024 08: 10
    Well, why don’t they send these independents rudely and cynically? The development is secret, the report is secret, but these guys have already gotten wind of it...
  13. +1
    29 March 2024 09: 00
    -Barrymore, what’s that noise under the door?!
    -Sir, the “pianist” is asking for some naughty fun from our new laser!
    -Yeah, right now...let them make naughty noises from the Abrams and Leopards, they've already made naughty noises from our Challenger!
  14. +1
    29 March 2024 09: 21
    For now this is a fairy tale of the future.
  15. 0
    29 March 2024 10: 42
    Ukraine will not receive

    two and a half years have taught us that if false experts or politicians declare that “Ukraine will not receive it,” then they will transfer it in the near future...
  16. 0
    29 March 2024 11: 44
    the beam takes a few seconds to “fry” the target. Accordingly, unmasking is underway in full

    The heat ray is supposed to be in the IR range, and therefore invisible.
    1. 0
      29 March 2024 12: 39
      “The heat ray is supposed to be in the IR range, and therefore invisible.”

      Then it's not a laser, as far as I understand.
      1. +1
        29 March 2024 12: 42
        Quote: S.Z.


        Then it's not a laser, as far as I understand.


        Well, for most of the public, any beam weapon is a laser.
      2. +1
        29 March 2024 13: 50
        Then it's not a laser, as far as I understand.

        Laser
        Here are the emitted wavelengths for different working media
        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Commercial_laser_lines.svg
        1. -1
          29 March 2024 15: 15
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Laser
          Here are the emitted wavelengths for different working media


          Exactly, shame on my gray head :(
  17. +1
    29 March 2024 13: 27
    The main thing is not to shoot, but to hit. And the 5-mm beam has orders of magnitude stricter requirements for accuracy and speed of guidance than weapons that produce clouds of fragments. As someone from the SDI leadership said in the 90s, you need to hit the ball from Washington on the volleyball court in Southern California when a pass is given
  18. 0
    29 March 2024 13: 47
    The efficiency of energy conversion in LO is quite low, and problems arise with scaling effective technologies to a certain power. If, conditionally, by scaling a pistol it is possible “in theory” to get a small-caliber weapon, then with a laser this is impossible, it is limited by the cap of the circuit and you need to choose new solutions and design from 0. Due to the low efficiency there are large heat losses - large heat losses mean the need for a heat sink and increased visibility in the infrared range.
    Apparently, according to LO there is still no unambiguous usefulness - yes, there is potential. It seems to be growing. There are some delicious options. But at the same time, there are also unappetizing problems - evaporative coatings, smoke and aerosol protection, heat-resistant spraying - and goodbye laser. If a large-caliber cartridge hits, there will be at least some damage, but in the case of LO, the damage can be stupidly minimized. Yes, this is a problem for optical seekers - although in theory it can also be mitigated by light filters and duplication of the seeker sensor.
    Otherwise, everything is still too uncertain for the military.
  19. 0
    29 March 2024 15: 11
    Lasers in close-range air defense are inevitable. Drones tend to become cheaper as efficiency increases, and missiles and projectiles only become more expensive as efficiency increases incomparably with the price. Therefore, in the next three to five years, laser and electronic warfare will become an integral addition to missiles and guns on near-field air defense systems. Life will force
    1. 0
      29 March 2024 15: 26
      Lasers in close-range air defense are inevitable. Drones tend to become cheaper as efficiency increases, and missiles and projectiles only become more expensive as efficiency increases incomparably with the price. Therefore, in the next three to five years, laser and electronic warfare will become an integral addition to missiles and guns on near-field air defense systems. Life will force

      Lasers will be used against missiles and artillery. Against drones, I rely on microwave emitters. You can’t brush off a swarm with a laser; you need cone swatters, not point swatters.
      1. +1
        29 March 2024 16: 39
        I present a laser against artillery fire. They will charge the training cast-iron ones and goodbye to the miracle of technology for a hundred million
        1. -1
          29 March 2024 17: 34
          I present a laser against artillery fire.

          Well, if you live at times with concentrations of artillery of 250 barrels per km in the absence of air reconnaissance means, then why not imagine.
          1. 0
            29 March 2024 18: 57
            Apparently the laser will only work with complete dominance in all areas, such as Israel in its best years against Hamas. Otherwise, they may notice where the light is coming from and use training
  20. 0
    29 March 2024 15: 51
    And give him swords, laser swords.... For hara-kiri with a laser!
  21. 0
    29 March 2024 18: 54
    what Why not use fighter drones against drones? If we follow the development of military aviation reconnaissance-bombing-hunting for the above, then why not develop the same for UAVs? Why is everyone obsessed with lasers? Have you watched Star Wars or The Collapse of Engineer Garin?
  22. 0
    30 March 2024 04: 11
    Yes, Roman, in humanity’s desire to control itself, man himself plays the leading role. Progress will eventually lead again to the cudgel, Einstein was right. C'est la vie. request
  23. 0
    30 March 2024 13: 36
    I wonder why completely reasonable assumptions get downvoted in the comments? For example, about the British, who can easily lie. This is wrong? They don’t have a working combat laser now, that’s a fact. Even if a mine is shot down in flight, then the target from it is so-so, the speed of the mine is low, plus it freezes at the maximum point of its trajectory if the shooting is carried out at a short distance. And setting up the laser itself is still “not for everyone” today, because... The mechanism is very sensitive and fragile, which so far nullifies all practical benefits.
  24. 0
    30 March 2024 19: 13
    PERESVET was accepted (!!!) into service in 2010. And where, and what? Aren’t there many such “innovations” with a multi-billion dollar budget.... where are they, Ostap’s great-grandchildren..