Lard croissant. Whom France can send to Ukraine

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Lard croissant. Whom France can send to Ukraine
NATO Enhanced Forward Presence Forces. France is participating with its contingent in the formation of a battalion combat group in Estonia.


The number of contingents was announced differently, but usually the figure was 1 fighters. There was also information that the contingent was to consist entirely of soldiers of the Foreign Legion (French Légion étrangère). Subsequently, it was reported that the contingent was supposed to be of a mixed composition - parts of the Foreign Legion and purely French units of the French Ground Forces. Although this is not practiced by the French.



If we take at face value the size of the contingent of 1 fighters, then the information about the contingent in the form of a hodgepodge sounds more than plausible. And there are several reasons for this.

Concept of the use of troops


If you look at the French infantry regiment (in fact, a motorized rifle regiment), it looks rather pale, both in terms of armored vehicles and artillery. The whole point is that this unit itself should not fight. The French do not use individual units, but battle groups - Groupement tactique interarmes (GTIA). That is, an infantry regiment is, although an independent unit, but it should not act alone within the framework of military doctrine, but acts as a “skeleton” on which reinforcement parts (in whole or in its fragments) are strung. Or the regiment itself gives its units to the combat groups. Such groups can be at company, battalion and regimental levels.


Training of French units in Estonia in December 2023... The border with Russia is a little over 100 kilometers away.

Such combat groups fought in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Africa.

If we are talking about recent events and the situation in Europe, then we can recall the participation of the French in NATO missions under the “Enhanced Forward Presence” (eFP). In 2016, at the NATO summit in Warsaw, it was decided to deploy advanced NATO forces in the Baltic states and Poland. Each country of presence was assigned a “curator” who took command of the local joint NATO contingent.

As for its ground component, it was usually a battalion tactical group of approximately 1 to 000 men. Within the framework of this concept and under the leadership of the British military, the French army takes part in the formation of the BTG in Estonia (mission "Lynx").


NATO infographics with one of the armored vehicles of the French contingent as part of the Lynx mission.

The French are participating in the formation of the BTG in Estonia with one of their company battle groups. Moreover, the mission is also considered as a training one, that is, Estonia has actually become a training ground for the French military to practice interaction with NATO colleagues, a training center for conducting combat operations in winter conditions, etc.

Accordingly, the composition of the French company battle group differs greatly from year to year. The French drove various variants of the GTIA and various units through Estonia. Plus, it all depends on what role the French component plays in the contingent; there were examples of the formation of a battle group around auxiliary units.

But most often the backbone of such a battle group is an infantry company (motorized rifle), tank company or light cavalry squadron (wheeled tanks AMX-10RC, now gradually being replaced by EBRC Jaguar). Naturally, if we are talking about a contingent of 1 “bayonets”, then, most likely, at least a battalion will act as a “skeleton” here, and the composition of the reinforcement units will be much more serious.


Column of French VBMR Griffons in Estonia. These vehicles are from one of the units of the Foreign Legion. This battle group consisted of elements of the 13th Demi-Brigade (13e DBLE), the 1st Foreign Cavalry Regiment (1er REC) and the 1st Foreign Engineer Regiment (1er REG).

Human and material resources


No matter how funny it may sound, 1 military personnel for the French Armed Forces is a lot. Yes, the French Armed Forces number just over 500 thousand military personnel, but this is all the armed forces, including the Navy, Air Force and National Gendarmerie. The same Foreign Legion is, according to various estimates, 200-7 thousand fighters.

It is not surprising that, apparently, it was not possible to assemble a contingent for Ukraine from the legion alone. 1 military personnel is an entire regiment of the Foreign Legion, and even with reinforcement units. It is doubtful that France will be able to allocate a fifth of the entire Foreign Legion for one mission.


Detailed infographic illustrating the composition of the company battle group located in Estonia as part of Mission Lynx, from January to March 2022.

For example: the contingent of French troops withdrawn from Niger was several hundred soldiers smaller, and the entire French contingent in Afghanistan at the peak of its strength (the Lafayette brigade, with the Capisa and Surubi combat groups) amounted to less than three and a half thousand troops , and they kept this composition in the country for only three years, from 2009 to 2012. Already in 2013, there were less than 300 French troops in Afghanistan.

And the French neocolonial empire, so thoroughly destroyed by our diplomats and “musicians,” still exists and requires French bayonets to maintain. For example, earlier this year a company from the 13th Demi-Brigade of the Foreign Legion (13e DBLE) went to Djibouti. Plus overseas territories, plus current obligations as a NATO member, the same eFP mission.


French infantry training in an abandoned building, Estonia, 2023. Everything happens near the city of Tapa, at the training ground of the Estonian Defense Forces. In Soviet times, this was the territory of military unit 67665, in fact, and the building used to be part of a military camp.

Plus, in France there is an acute problem of outflow of personnel from the army.

In May 2023, the French newspaper Le Monde wrote about a report prepared for French parliamentarians, which spoke of an increasing number of reports of dismissal from the French armed forces and a shortage of personnel in many positions. Moreover, some servicemen did not even wait for the end of the official contract, but tore it up. Even a fine for unilateral termination of the contract and the loss of some benefits did not stop the French military.

Judging by the fact that in March 2024, hearings were held in the French Parliament on the introduction of additional incentives for military personnel, the situation has definitely not gotten better since last year.


The photo shows French mercenaries in Ukraine. Formally, France does not take part in the SVO with its military personnel. However, French mercenaries are actively operating in Ukraine... and are also actively being destroyed, as Vice-Speaker of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy recently recalled in an interview with a journalist from the French TV channel BFMTV. Maybe it will help sober up French politicians a little...

Among the main reasons for dismissals from the army are unfulfilled expectations from the service (army advertising often does not correspond to reality) and uncompetitive conditions compared to civilian work.

Be that as it may, it is not worth saying that it will be easy for the French to assemble a contingent to send to Ukraine. Talk about a contingent of twenty thousand is definitely pure unscientific fiction.

But they will find the resources to send one and a half thousand military personnel.

The only question is who will be part of this contingent, and whether sending troops so close to the combat zone of such a large conflict will be another incentive for many French people to say goodbye to their military careers.
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  1. +7
    30 March 2024 04: 00
    To provide air cover for this French contingent in the Odessa region, an air defense umbrella is needed... it is logical to expect that the French in particular and NATO in general may declare this area a no-fly zone with the ensuing consequences of a clash between Russia and NATO... how do you like this option... in Nikolaev British troops may officially appear, no matter how fantastic it sounds.
    Blocking and completely destroying the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the Black Sea has been a long-standing dream of the British and French...hehe and the Turks too.
    1. +4
      30 March 2024 04: 21
      Let's strike at them with Iskanders from the SB, what do you think of this option?
      1. -2
        30 March 2024 05: 05
        Let's strike at them with Iskanders from the SB, what do you think of this option?

        The idea is good...will our politicians in the Kremlin dare to do this with their red lines?
        Here is the main question...is there enough political will for GDP to enter into conflict with NATO?
        1. +3
          30 March 2024 07: 10
          EVERYTHING in war now comes down to this. Will the Kremlin have enough political will to give cabbage soup to those who have been asking for a fist ride for a long time?
        2. +2
          30 March 2024 12: 00
          The Kremlin primary targets are foreign legion fighting on the side of Ukraine which comprises of Poland, USA, France etc, so I wonder why you think it will be so difficult for the Kremlin to make the decisions to destroy them with isklander missiles. The only reason the can't declare no fly zone in any regions in Ukraine is because the Russian military have the ability to hit any targets in there no fly zone including there anti-missiles defense systems or military equipment's in there position. Secondly Russian has already demonstrated it's foreign policies towards the west, Russian doesn't need the West, it is the west that needs Russia resources to develop there economy, the world is so open for everyone and multipolar, if the West stop buying resources from Russia the rest of the continents we purchase for the growth of there economy. Even the Houthis didn't give a damn about there no fly zone then is Putin the we Chicken out for NATO shit fly zone
        3. +3
          30 March 2024 16: 23
          Here is the main question...is there enough political will for GDP to enter into conflict with NATO?

          NATO has already stated that each NATO country has the sovereign right to send troops wherever it wants and this does not affect Article 5 of the NATO Charter on collective response. In short, if you decide to send troops into Ukraine on your own, then deal with it individually. NATO as an organization will not intervene.
        4. +1
          30 March 2024 21: 29
          Here's the main question...

          This is not a question at all. Of course not. And maybe that's for the best. We are not ready to fight with NATO now. They will tear us apart like a hot water bottle. And you don’t have the courage to press the button.
          War is primarily an economy. And ours, although not in ruins, cannot be called powerful and advanced either.
          And society is far from monolithic.
          1. +1
            30 March 2024 23: 42
            The French Macaron is serving out his second term - the presidency is no longer in the cards for him. But he wants to stay in politics - which means he needs to show himself somehow! Hence the almost Napoleonic plans - to stake out Odessa and “not let Russia win”! But what’s interesting is the behavior of the United States, which stated that they do not believe in Russia’s attack on NATO! After which the countries that supported the Pasta - a collective approach to Ukraine - began to back down. Germany was the first to kick back, the last were the Baltic extinctions, who had previously jumped out of their pants in a fit of enthusiasm and the desire to die on the battlefield for European values ​​and oppressed Russian peds... Rasts! But the hegemon, nicknamed the USA, told them “Tsits” and everyone shut up! The United States itself is trying not to escalate, although it continues to throw sanctions and insults! But an interesting fact is the removal from politics of Victoria Nuland, the main US specialist in the distribution of American cookies, who was banging on all political corners, demanding the continuation of the Ukrainian banquet! But the Washington “raspberry” said “No” to the enemy! And with a kick on his flabby ass, she pushed the foreman of the Ukrainian “perestroika” away from the decision-making levers, removing him from the State Department! Are they starting to slowly drain Ukraine?
    2. +6
      30 March 2024 06: 23
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      French contingent in the Odessa region

      It remains to understand why it is needed there, near Odessa. As a shield against possible attacks on the logistics center of Odessa, as an impenetrable barrier for our troops on the way to Transnistria? Their composition will depend on the tasks assigned to them.
      What’s interesting here is the talk in Romania about the re-creation of the great Bessarabia, and it included part of the Odessa region, along with Odessa
    3. P
      +9
      30 March 2024 06: 38
      Article 5 of the charter does not imply consequences for an attack on troops not located in the territories occupied by treaty countries. So this will of course be an escalation, but not the bloc’s entry into war
    4. +3
      30 March 2024 10: 11
      I wonder why the faces in the photo of the French “volunteers” are shaded? The country must know its “heroes”.
      1. +1
        30 March 2024 10: 56
        Quote: smith 55
        I wonder why the faces in the photo of the French “volunteers” are shaded? The country must know its “heroes”.

        Because the faces of the Slavs, refugees from Ukraine to France and the Baltic states obsessed with Russophobia.
      2. +1
        30 March 2024 13: 45
        And they have already given up on them. And they know that we don’t take captives. Interrogation and the wall.
    5. 0
      30 March 2024 16: 12
      it is logical to expect that the French in particular and NATO in general may declare this area a no-fly zone with the ensuing consequences


      He may announce it, but this will not stop our missiles and drones from hitting there. Will they be shot down in a declared no-fly zone? So the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still partially shooting down.
  2. +8
    30 March 2024 05: 50
    I don't think that talk about sending will reach the stage of actual transfer of troops. Alone (or even with the help of crazy three-balts) this is a pure gamble. Rather, this rhetoric is part of the West’s game, they say, look, we can escalate like this... The goal is to test Russia’s reflections with different inputs, which in turn indicates the absence of a unified plan for further actions by the enemy. Therefore, more often declare the priority of foreign continents as targets, and upon their arrival, it is advisable to crush them with missile strikes as quickly as possible and without hesitation. They will not start any third world war.
    1. +10
      30 March 2024 08: 01
      The goal is to test Russia’s reflections with different inputs
      Remember how the “probing” began from the very beginning of the SVO. First they supplied bandages with medicines and tents, then helmets with body armor, and then it came to tanks, self-propelled guns and missiles
      1. +6
        30 March 2024 08: 57
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        The goal is to test Russia’s reflections with different inputs
        Remember how the “probing” began from the very beginning of the SVO. First they supplied bandages with medicines and tents, then helmets with body armor, and then it came to tanks, self-propelled guns and missiles

        Giving bandages, missiles and tanks is something different than giving your citizens to die... But there will be deaths. Official death, but did not fall, broke his head. And public outcry in the country. You say they will send some blacks and Arabs. And they don't feel sorry for them. The officer corps will be French, British or whoever will be there.. And the expulsion of the diplomatic service is possible. corps .. Complete break in relations.
      2. +3
        30 March 2024 16: 38
        Well, imagine, they groped and groped and suddenly groped, ten geraniums flew to the French at their disposal. After that, what do they do? Will they send more? Or they will say - oh, but we thought that after helmets everything was possible! I remember in Lebanon a truck with dislikes arrived at the French warriors, then they disappeared for a long time
  3. +5
    30 March 2024 05: 55
    The French in many African countries played the role of gendarmes. They fought against the partisans. But it is one thing to be in the role of suppressing the partisans, another thing to get into the shoes of the partisans. Capitalism is sick. Great ambitions. And at the same time, various diseases, ending with indigestion. All of them, without exception. We fought with pleasure. And of course not for long. And at the same time, the understanding that this could drag on for years brings capitalism into a stupor. The question is about reserves and resources. This is very important. In a quick restructuring on a military scale. But you really want to be comfortable live.
    1. +5
      30 March 2024 07: 03
      Capitalism is sick.
      Let's just say... the situation is standard, typical and not only for “capitalism”.
      The ruling class, the political, managerial elite imagines itself above... and above everything, everyone and everything!
      But they themselves do not shine with their intelligence or anything else... arrogant, greedy, unprincipled complaints, moral...
      In general, a standard set of rulers/leaders on the eve of a big badabum or nix!
  4. -1
    30 March 2024 07: 11
    What does the title have to do with the mention of an Austrian croissant? Or did you mean brioche?
    1. 0
      30 March 2024 09: 15
      "Austrian croissant"
      Chinese jaozi is also like a Russian national dish.
      1. -1
        30 March 2024 15: 44
        I was in China - specifically to try Chinese cuisine as it is.
        The same Peking duck eight times in different cities.
        Street cuisine, including dumplings.
        No, this is completely different.
        1. 0
          30 March 2024 15: 52
          This is completely different.
          It's practically the same.
          1. -1
            April 1 2024 00: 29
            Perhaps you have not been to China.
            There are four kitchens in total.
            My favorite is Sichuan.
    2. 0
      30 March 2024 22: 20
      For the sake of alliteration and assonance.
      Sounds good)
  5. -1
    30 March 2024 15: 11
    Whom? Yes, those whom I had sent away before, vacationers, special forces, ideological and mercenaries. There are definitely no regular troops, at least they won’t officially announce this, because we will have an absolutely legitimate reason to bomb the French a little, both in Africa and in France itself. And unofficially, the regulars won’t be able to be sent either, because there is no such law, and upon the arrival of the coffins of the regulars, some people in power will get sick, plus in Africa, quite by accident, several bases with military personnel may evaporate. The conclusion is chatter to take advantage of show-off and bluff.
  6. 0
    30 March 2024 16: 42
    I wonder if some Frenchman fires at Belgorod with a howitzer, is this a sufficient reason to catch French SSBNs in the ports and treat them with daggers? So to speak, denuclearization of the aggressor, so that next time no one would think of firing missiles at us?
  7. 0
    30 March 2024 18: 09
    They came up with an idiotic figure - they could just as well have said 1.5 people and 1.5 million - but the author undertook to justify this figure - in all seriousness tongue
  8. 0
    30 March 2024 19: 48
    You need to strictly stick to your line, if you decide to beat the enemy, you need to beat them to the last. Don't give in to provocations. Entering an infantry regiment, without tanks, air defense, aviation, this is only security, nothing more... If we reach Odessa, they will run like darlings. This will be the largest military political disaster in the West, followed by the Great Depression. Moreover, 2028 is just around the corner.
  9. 0
    31 March 2024 11: 55
    How is it not practiced to mix expeditionary units? They are always mixed, always created on the basis of rotations of the companies of individual regiments, for 4-6 months. And taking into account the fact that the number of the legion is 10k, and all ground forces are 140k, then the ratio of legionnaires and regulars will be one to ten/fifteen.
    And there is no need to talk about any special attitude towards the legionnaires; a quarter of them are native French, and another quarter are acquired.
    And the legion is not special forces, but ordinary linear regiments of infantry, engineers and cavalry subordinate to various brigades and divisions of the regular army.
    And their special forces consist of native French, these are 1RPIMa, 13 RDP and Marine Commandos.
  10. 0
    31 March 2024 19: 25
    Lessons of 1812 forgotten???????