War of attrition is deadly for the US Navy's aircraft carrier fleet

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War of attrition is deadly for the US Navy's aircraft carrier fleet

This is not the first time this topic has appeared on our pages, but what should we do if the Americans themselves are actively discussing it? They are like those geese, strange birds, they don’t seem to want war (almost like doves, which are birds of peace), but for some reason they are very actively preparing for it. And, accordingly, they discuss it in full.

In general, of course, they say that if there is a gun hanging on the stage in the theater, then by the end they will definitely shoot someone with it. A classic of the genre, you know.



In the show that American politicians are putting on, excuse me, the whole stage is filled with not only guns, but guns. More than one gun hangs modestly, but eleven I don’t even know what to compare it with...


In general, theoretically, the United States has 11 shock clubs in the form of AUG. Formed around eleven aircraft carriers. And all further calculations will revolve around these gloomy flat-deck budget consumers.

Aircraft carriers are the jewel in the crown of every naval fleet, which can have them, that is, contain them. Otherwise, aircraft carriers are able to screw any budget to the bone. Proven by Russian, French and British troughs.

It is believed that expensive but powerful aircraft carriers can change the course of not only a battle, but also an entire conflict. Moreover, in any direction. The US Navy has the largest and most combat-ready aircraft carrier fleet in the world, which is able to condemn almost any country against which it will be used, including the United States if the sentence fails.

As the U.S. press frenzy over a potential war with China or Russia unfolds, there are reasonable concerns about whether the U.S. Navy has enough aircraft carrier fleet.


One of the major questions debated in the national security community is whether the U.S. Navy even has enough capabilities to deter adversaries and prevail in a potential conflict.

That is, reading American portals, I begin to understand that on the other side of the world the idea began to come to minds that not only the States, but also the States, can hang things. And then you know, the flight of fancy is simply cosmic. However, let's go in order.

US carrier fleet



Before diving into the question of whether the Navy has enough aircraft carriers, it first needs to examine the current fleet.

Today, the US Navy operates 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, ten of which are Nimitz-class and one Ford-class. And we already know that in this friendly family, not only is there a black mark, but he who is without sin, let him go first into battle.

The Nimitz class includes USS Nimitz (CVN-68), USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69), USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70), USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71), USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72), USS George Washington (CVN-73), USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74), USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75), USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) and USS George HW Bush (CVN-77).


USS Gerald R. Ford, the first and only Ford-class ship, is the world's newest and most modern aircraft carrier. The Navy plans to build a total of 10 Ford-class supercarriers, but the question is in what time frame and how efficiently. We remember how the Ford was built, but the fact that it is still being brought to condition is something the Americans themselves prefer to remain silent about in six languages.

Of course, of America's 11 aircraft carriers, only about half are operationally deployed at any given time. Essentially, the Navy has five or six aircraft carriers around the world on months-long deployments while the rest are at home undergoing maintenance, refitting and training.

Secret carrier fleet



In addition to conventional, “normal” aircraft carriers, the Navy can count on a “secret” aircraft-carrying fleet in case of an emergency. This "secret" fleet consists of amphibious assault ships that can act as light aircraft carriers, each carrying a small number of F-35B Lighting II fighters.

The "B" version of the F-35 has short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) capabilities. This special capability allows the F-35B to operate from both amphibious assault ships and aircraft carriers.


Although small in size compared to the Nimitz and Ford class aircraft carriers, these amphibious assault ships are the same size as many other nations' aircraft carriers. Typically, these UDCs are used by the Marine Corps as floating bases for attacks by helicopters or landing craft.

But, if necessary, they could be converted exclusively into light aircraft carriers and bring additional aircraft to the battlefield. The Navy has used the light aircraft carrier design in the past, so it will be able to adapt quickly if it needs to expand its aircraft carrier fleet.

The US Navy operates nine amphibious assault ships (seven Wasp-class and two America-class). Several more are currently under construction.

Maximum task



The biggest challenge for the Navy's carrier fleet is demand. With a fixed supply of ships (11 aircraft carriers), but an ever-increasing demand for them due to geopolitical challenges. Tensions with China in the Indo-Pacific region, the war in Ukraine and the conflict in Gaza are just some of the current challenges that require the presence of one or more aircraft carriers.

Let's start with why aircraft carriers are in such high demand in the plans of the US military?

The answer is simple, but... Firstly, aircraft carriers are in high demand because of the capabilities they provide to the tactical and operational commander. More broadly, aircraft carriers are arguably the best non-nuclear military tool for power projection, and their strategic utility is invaluable to policymakers.

For example, following the Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel last October, the Pentagon deployed the USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier and its battle group to the Eastern Mediterranean as a show of support for Israel and a show of force against Hamas, Iran and any other malign actors in the region. Similarly, in February, the US Navy said it would deploy five aircraft carriers to the Indo-Pacific region, even if only briefly, as a show of force against China and a morale booster for US allies and partners in the region.

The question here is solely how useful this deployment was for Israel.


The US Congress has long recognized the military and foreign policy value of an aircraft carrier and passed legislation that requires the Navy to maintain a permanent fleet of 11 aircraft carriers. However, this number has fluctuated between 10 and 12 over the years as Congress passed special legislation allowing the Navy to have more or fewer ships for a certain period of time.

If necessary, the US Navy could likely deploy most of its carrier fleet to counter the threat. If we are talking about some kind of external threat, but lately everything is somehow more about the fact that the United States itself will create a threat somewhere in the vastness of the Asia-Pacific region.

Moreover, the US military relies on a vast and reliable network of alliances and partnerships that make this much easier.

Thus, in the event of a potential near-peer conflict with China or Russia—or even both—the U.S. Navy's carrier fleet would be supplemented by allied warships. Although they are not as capable or large as the US Navy's aircraft carriers, these aircraft carriers and allied aircraft carriers (there are nine in total) could be an important addition to the fleet and help it achieve its goals.

American legislators are well aware that aircraft carriers are not cheap (the last aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford cost $13 billion and the fuss with it is still not finished). They are also more vulnerable to new technologies such as hypersonic missiles and submarines. Taking cost, current fleet size, and likely allied contributions into account, the Navy has the aircraft carriers it needs to meet current and future challenges.

After all, bigger doesn't necessarily mean better.

However, it is a very real possibility that the US Navy may not have enough aircraft carriers to accomplish its missions. Moreover, even with the help of allies. Here it is worth recalling the condition of both the British and French ships (the level of the Admiral Kuznetsov in terms of combat readiness), and these, I note, are the best ships of the alliance after the American ones! I don’t even want to talk about Italian ships; the only ships that are worth anything are Japanese ones.


The US Navy faces challenges in maintaining its current fleet of aircraft carriers, stretched thin by global deployments and constrained by high construction and maintenance costs. With 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, but only about half of them fully operational at any time, the US Navy is assessing its future strategy under financial and logistical constraints...below average.

The commissioning of Ford-class aircraft carriers is aimed at modernizing the fleet, but the fleet will not be satisfied with a single aircraft carrier. The Navy is also considering small aircraft-carrying ships as a potential alternative.

Does the US Navy have problems with aircraft carriers?



Aircraft carriers remain the largest capital warships in the world today, and in fact there are quite a few of them. Including amphibious assault ships (LHA), there are currently 47 active aircraft-carrying ships in the world, operated by fourteen navies. More than a third of them are in service with the US Navy.

Additionally, the US Navy operates two America-class LHAs out of a planned 11, as well as seven Wasp-class ships, and an eighth was severely damaged by fire and subsequently decommissioned in 2021.

The current American fleet of Nimitz-class aircraft carriers will also be decommissioned and replaced on a one-to-one basis by future Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers, which will be more modern and seemingly not very (funny, yes) expensive to maintain. In its 2018 report to Congress, the Navy said it intends to retain 12 aircraft carriers as part of its 30-year warship acquisition plan.

The current plan is for Ford-class carriers to replace Nimitz-class carriers on a one-to-one basis over the next four decades. However, it is just as likely that the United States Navy will never replace each of its Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, but may instead try to create smaller warships that can still do the job.

It is very difficult to even imagine the mountain of money that will be required to implement these plans.

Are there enough aircraft carriers?



The question likely being considered by US naval strategists is whether there are enough aircraft carriers in service right now. The short answer is that the US carrier fleet, despite its size, is spread out and is not like a clenched fist, but rather an outstretched fist.

The Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Dwight Eisenhower (CVN-69) remained in the Middle East "fighting" the Houthis in Yemen, while the first-in-class aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) extended its service twice deployment in the Mediterranean. It is currently undergoing maintenance, primarily for software updates and other general improvements.

Such post-deployment overhauls and refurbishments are routine and necessary. The longer an aircraft carrier is deployed, the more time it spends in port. And currently, only three aircraft carriers are capable of responding to events in the Indo-Pacific region.

USS Nimitz (CVN-68) is set to visit South Korea, while USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) remains the US Navy's only forward-deployed carrier strike group based in Yokosuka, Japan, but will be replaced by USS George later this year Washington (CVN-73). The ship recently completed a four-year reactor recharge and comprehensive overhaul (RCOH) cycle that began in August 2017. Washington remained out of action for much of last year. USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) is next in the planned RCOH, to be completed sometime by the end of the decade.

In other words, while the US Navy may have 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers on paper, it turns out that only half of them will ever be fully operational, leaving the fleet capable of effectively eliminating (or creating) any threat. somehow it’s not necessary.

Why not build more?



The next obvious question would be to build more aircraft carriers. However, there are several factors why this doesn't even come close.

As Brandon J. Wechert noted last month in The National Interest:
“Today, the average cost to build a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and a supercarrier such as America's new Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier exceeds $13,3 billion. Its maintenance costs hundreds of millions of dollars more. Previous models were only slightly cheaper."


Weichert added:
“Their complexity and exorbitant cost make them not only tempting targets for rivals, but if they are destroyed or severely damaged in combat, it will effectively render them a worthless asset. Billions of dollars will be lost and the U.S. Navy's power projection capabilities will be severely compromised."


In other words, the United States cannot afford to lose such an important target in the war, but it also cannot afford to build more. And that only takes into account the monetary value. The United States Navy has another problem: recruit quotas. A very big problem: replenishment of fleet personnel.

The Navy really barely has enough sailors to operate its current fleet, which is the smallest since World War I. However, short of conscription, it is doubtful that the US Navy will have the sailors for even a few additional aircraft carriers, given that we are talking about thousands of trained sailors.

America can barely build its current aircraft carriers.

The final consideration is that modern aircraft carriers take years to build, and even if the US suddenly had the money and manpower, it would not have the capacity to build any additional aircraft carriers.

In January, the Aircraft Carrier Industrial Bases Coalition (ACIBC) warned of rough waters ahead following a survey conducted last November. The trade association represents nearly 2000 suppliers from across the country that make up the supply chain for Huntington Ingalls Industries (HII), the largest military shipbuilder in the United States.

These companies provide parts and services for the construction and maintenance of US Navy aircraft carriers, and according to the survey, this is a critical time for the industry as 95% of suppliers have faced rising cost issues due to inflation, while 79% have faced rising costs raw materials by at least 7%. More than one in 10 (91%) suppliers surveyed said they had experienced problems as a result of material availability or delivery, and 76% said they had directly experienced an increase in the amount of time it took to create and ship their products.

Workforce issues also remain a major concern, with 85% of firms saying they continue to face challenges recruiting, training and retaining their workforce. Moreover, 32% of those surveyed said labor-related issues had a negative impact on firms' ability to fulfill contracts.


Conclusion: The US Navy is dispersed and it is very doubtful that it will be able to represent a single fist. Well, except in very critical situations. Future Ford-class aircraft carriers are already behind schedule, not only in terms of timing, but also in terms of costs. The lead ship of this class has already shown how it is possible to exceed estimates and ruin budgets. The Navy is already scaling back its mid- and long-term projects to focus on the near term.

This will mean relying on the carriers the U.S. Navy already has and hoping that there won't be multiple crises and that no ships will suddenly be lost due to odds. And such circumstances may arise, especially in conflicts with Russia and China in the Pacific Ocean. And the loss of even one aircraft carrier (which, we note, is very possible with the modern weapons systems of Russia and China) will be a shock for the United States, quite comparable to Pearl Harbor.
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  1. +20
    25 March 2024 04: 22
    Too much water, and almost no specifics. The article is based on abstract conclusions of an author very far from the topic.
    1. +5
      25 March 2024 04: 25
      We wanted the best, but it turned out as always. (from) drinks
      1. +9
        25 March 2024 04: 29
        It is clear that Roman, as a leader at the Military District, put on “Armament” and as a former political officer, understands absolutely everything, but unfortunately, not as deeply as readers would like.
        1. -10
          25 March 2024 05: 29
          Here is the whole essence of the US aircraft carrier fleet:
          1. +11
            25 March 2024 07: 17
            Everything is relative. If we compare how long it took to build our lead frigate Gorshkov and how long it took to perfect it, we will see that the Americans built the Ford aircraft carrier faster. And their actions against the Houthis, in which they did not lose a single ship, and the actions of our Black Sea Fleet, in which a country without a fleet sank a bunch of our ships, including a missile cruiser, which their AUG threatened with our propagandists, is also not in our favor.
            You need to learn from them how the Chinese do it, and not criticize everything, they have already heard that our Black Sea Fleet is being methodically destroyed by a country without a fleet, with everything from cheap crafts from a Chinese jet ski to missiles.
            1. -9
              25 March 2024 10: 55
              unlike the US Navy,
              The Russian Navy has operational tactical anti-ship missiles - X-32, Moskit, Granit, Vulcan, Onyx
              and operational purposes - Zircon, Dagger
              the US Navy has only tactical anti-ship missiles Harpoon, Tomahawk
              our analogs of tactical anti-ship missiles: Kh-35 Uran, 3M14, 3M54 Caliber
              1. +7
                25 March 2024 11: 07
                unlike the US Navy,

                Unlike the US Navy, which in 35 years of operations against Iraq, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and the Houthis has not lost a single ship, and our Black Sea Fleet, in fact, over the course of two years, the Northern Military District loses an average of one ship per month in battles against a country without a fleet .
                And you have already told tales about how RKR Moscow can easily cut up an American aircraft carrier with the help of cool missiles, then we saw everything.
                1. -9
                  25 March 2024 11: 14
                  By the way, regarding the retrofitting of armor for any of ours: MRK, corvette, frigate
                  in 2019, the reservation of the promising destroyer Project 23560 Leader with ceramic armor made of silicon carbide was announced
                  + electro-dynamic remote control Malachite has appeared - no one will hang explosives on ships
                  set of 50 mm ceramics + shipborne DZ Malachite + 100 mm ceramics
                  = weight 500 kg per 1 sq.m.
                  frigate pr. 22350 will gain 1700 tons
                  corvette pr. 20380 will increase by 1250 tons
                  MRK pr. 22800 + 500 tons
                  This is already being implemented at the Krylov State Scientific Center
                  ships will calmly hold high-explosive cumulative warheads even from our Vulcan and Zircon anti-ship missiles
                  1. +1
                    25 March 2024 12: 31
                    And how will they maintain the kinetics of Zircon?
                    1. -7
                      25 March 2024 12: 35
                      good question, but not for me
                      I don’t know the kinetics of the Zircon anti-ship missile, but even the data on the Vulcan anti-ship missile is classified
                      silicon carbide equivalent to steel 1 to 4
                      150 mm x 4 = 600 mm steel
                      for example, a 9-mm silicon carbide plate has a protection class of Br.6
                      holds B-32 14,5x114 bullets
                      mass production of 55 mm thick armor plates has already been established, which are used on armored vehicles
                      on the destroyer pr.23560 Leader they plan to use such ceramic armor plates
                      if something is not in your understanding, then it is better to ask questions at the Krylov State Research Center
                  2. +5
                    25 March 2024 13: 38
                    By the way, regarding the retrofitting of armor for any of ours: MRK, corvette, frigate

                    Listen, the confrontation between armor and a projectile has always been won by the projectile, now that many in service have URO ships that can drive several missiles onto your side at supersonic speed, the only means of defense can ONLY be effective and layered air defense with modern means of detecting threats.
                    There are no simple solutions, there are no wunderwaffles, there are no super-missiles, a combat-ready fleet from an incapable fleet, especially now, is distinguished by a competent system of building a fleet and its management, if it is a fleet is combat-ready and strong, it is not there and there is no combat-ready fleet either.
                    If our ships were ordered for construction by normal naval commanders, and after construction they were checked like the Americans and Chinese and did not play giveaways by pushing through uncombat-ready troughs, then our fleet would be combat-ready and there would not be such a disgrace as with the Black Sea Fleet.
                    And even if you book and hang any kind of nets on patrol ship 22160, this useless trough will still not become combat-ready and will sink along with the crew.
                    1. -8
                      25 March 2024 13: 43
                      forgot
                      there is also a KAZ Afghanit that can be seared - as an independent close-in defense system for a ship
                      on board the frigate pr. 22350 you can put, for example, 10 complexes with a fan of 10 mortars each = 100 ammunition
                      3-4 ammunition per target in the KAZ area of ​​responsibility = 25 targets
                      against the same BEC as the last line of defense, if you use algorithms, you can use up to 10 ammunition from different KAZ = 10 targets
                      this is in addition to the fact that there is also a PTZ Package-NK independent of the radar missile system with torpedoes and anti-torpedoes
                      1. +6
                        25 March 2024 14: 57
                        there is also a KAZ Afghanit that can be seared

                        Are you serious now, are you proposing to stick a KAZ from a tank onto a warship? lol
                        wassat
                      2. -3
                        25 March 2024 15: 04
                        this was an example
                        there are analogues of KAZ in the Strategic Missile Forces to protect silos
                        their principle of operation is just now relevant for the Navy as a system of the last line of defense of a ship, independent of the BIUS and radar control systems
                        as well as shipborne electro-dynamic protection on capacitors
                        similar to the principle: electric barriers near Birobidzhan on the border with the PRC against mass border crossings of 10 volts per 000 amperes
                        you'll see it all for yourself, if they move to the right in the same way, then years through 20 laughing
            2. +1
              25 March 2024 16: 43
              Quote: ramzay21
              If we compare how long it took to build our lead frigate Gorshkov and how long it took to perfect it, we will see that the Americans built the Ford aircraft carrier faster.

              It’s just that the Yankees didn’t have to wait until one of the ship’s main systems was completed. The deadline for delivery of 22350 was determined not by the timing of the construction of the hull and its saturation with units, but by the fine-tuning of the unfortunate "Poliment-Redut".
              And all because the Customer refused to follow the established practice and accept a ship with inoperative or missing weapon systems - as was previously the case with 956, 1155, 11434. smile
              1. +4
                25 March 2024 16: 56
                It’s just that the Yankees didn’t have to wait until one of the ship’s main systems was completed.

                These are all jerks! I hope you understand the difference between a new frigate and a new aircraft carrier?
                The deadline for delivery of 22350 was determined not by the timing of the construction of the hull and its saturation with units, but by the fine-tuning of the unfortunate "Poliment-Redut".

                Do you think that finishing an electromagnetic catapult is easier than finishing Poliment-Rudut?
                And there are also new types of reactors and the latest radars and much more.
                1. +1
                  26 March 2024 11: 15
                  Quote: ramzay21
                  Do you think that finishing an electromagnetic catapult is easier than finishing Poliment-Rudut?

                  So EMALS was developed for at least the same 20 years - reports about its development were back in January 2001 in the journal IEEE Transactions on Magnetics, Volume: 37 Issue: 1. And about the possible use of electromagnetic catapults on weapons of imperialist aggression the new generation was written back in the Soviet Western Military District.
                  It’s just that for us, most of the finishing cycle of the Polydut occurred at a time when the ship was already built. And the Yankees successfully completed ground tests back in 2014. However, this did not stop them from finishing EMALS on board the Ford from 2017 to 2021.
                  Quote: ramzay21
                  These are all jerks! I hope you understand the difference between a new frigate and a new aircraft carrier?

                  The first new frigate after the collapse of the USSR (and all chains of its military-industrial complex) and a new aircraft carrier in a country that has been building them in series for more than 60 years? wink
    2. +3
      25 March 2024 09: 21
      Quote: Tucan
      The article is based on abstract conclusions of an author very far from the topic.

      Article in the style of "Green Grapes"!
  2. +14
    25 March 2024 05: 38
    Hmm.
    Actually, at VO there was a series of articles on the topic “what is an aircraft carrier, how does it work and what were they going to use to sink it.” On the issue of "sinking", as far as IMHO remember, in the heyday of the USSR fleet it was necessary:
    -nuclear weapons strike (4 or 8 products, I don’t remember) in the area where the aircraft carrier was supposed to be (so that the EMP would knock out at least part of the electronics)
    - two MRA regiments;
    - NK and submarine strike coordinated with MRA.
    On the issue of “finding an aircraft carrier” everything was vague, since in peacetime fighter pilots showed obscene pictures to scouts, in wartime a reconnaissance flight is .... And a story called “Far Eastern Pearl Harbor” from the time of the same heyday of the fleet The USSR also figured this out.
    A relevant question here is where is the MRA, what about RA, NK and PL. Unfortunately, “here” is the main thing not to start looking for rhymes with the word “where”. But the author is doing well - “also more vulnerable to new belay technologies such as hypersonic missiles belay and underwater belay Boats belay ."

    .... The US Navy may have 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers on paper, it turns out that only half of them will ever be fully ready, resulting in the Navy being able to effectively eliminate any threat (or create one) somehow no need to.
    For some reason feel I remembered a joke: a demagogue is a person who can convince that 11 aircraft carriers “afloat” are worse than... than nothing.

    One of the major questions debated in the national security community is whether the U.S. Navy even has enough capabilities to deter adversaries and prevail in a potential conflict.
    That is, reading American portals, I begin to understand that on the other side of the world the idea began to come to minds that not only the States, but also the States, can hang things. And then you know, the flight of fancy is simply cosmic.

    This is where the author of “all this” would understand that this is exactly what needs to be done “until day D o’clock H.” But this is an example of what not to do: “Because it’s just an army that will act against the wonderful independent Ukrainian infantry with modern anti-tank systems. With army aviation, motorized rifles, artillery and other necessary components.
    Of course, if Russian tanks had marched in columns, without any cover, then the Ukrainian warriors would have shown themselves. But we haven’t gone that far into fantasy, right?.... Sorry, but we don’t need an advantage in people. On the contrary, we will try to save them by placing them in equipment. And we will fight with technology. 90 BTG is a decent number. I would say, even overkill. Why Ukrainian “specialists” want to fight this way will be left behind the scenes. He generally has a thing for some kind of sabotage and guerrilla actions, obviously due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are simply not yet capable of anything more sane...
    ...once again I’m ready to applaud Mr. Butusov. And, seriously. He is right! He's really right! In order to enter ////// with Russia and hold out there for more than a week, the Armed Forces of Ukraine need to be reformed and equipped as if it were the army of a decent country. We need a strategy, we need tactics, we need modern weapons and people trained to work with these weapons..
    If you comply with all this, and even add a normal military budget to this, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will really be able to become an armed force capable of something more than mastering handouts from the West.
    It is a pity that I will not live to see this significant and important event."
    https://topwar.ru/191921-v-chem-vsu-prevoshodjat-vs-rf.html

    Here it is worth recalling the condition of both the British and French ships (the level of the Admiral Kuznetsov in terms of combat readiness), and these, I note, are the best ships of the alliance after the American ones! I don’t even want to talk about Italian ships; the only ships that are worth anything are Japanese ones.
    Here it is worth recalling where Admiral Kuznetsov is located and where the French and English aircraft carriers are located.
    But I won’t remind you, just let’s wait, readers, when Andrei from Chelyabinsk comes here for a “light”, takes his mind off Krupp’s armor, and goes through the rolling mill here.

    Brief summary: it’s time to cover up the “cap rockets”.
    1. +2
      25 March 2024 06: 21
      Thank you for the excursion into the past (for the link to the article), reading the comments of that article for November 6, 2022, you understand... HOW wrong everyone was!
      1. +3
        25 March 2024 13: 32
        You see, before 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX there were articles like the one to which there is a link.

        But there were also articles by military professionals such as Khodarenok or Ivashov. The very fact that articles appeared, even open letters, suggests that it was the professionals who realized the consequences and were forced to take the discussion into the open. Read it, everything is there, right down to assumptions about where the BS line will stop.
        The problem is that IMHO more than 90% of “military journalists” behaved irresponsibly, in the style of “Kyiv in three days, for the whole of Ukraine in a month.” After all, it is very convenient to write “like everyone else” and “approved from above.”

        So the statement “after all, everyone was mistaken!” not entirely true.

        But this is not so bad, the main problem is that lessons are not learned, and the very idea that you have to think that “things may not go according to plan” seems funny: "reading American portals, I begin to understand that on the other side of the world the idea began to come to minds that not only the States, but also the States can hang things. And then you know, the flight of fancy is simply cosmic"
      2. +5
        25 March 2024 15: 50
        HOW were everyone mistaken!
        I’m afraid that the same thing will happen with “stealth” weapons (God forbid we run into them) Then we’ll read the articles in the same way as they threw hats at them and shot them down with S125 and cry...
    2. +4
      25 March 2024 07: 26
      Quote: Wildcat
      On the issue of "sinking", as far as I remember, in the heyday of the USSR fleet there was

      And where are the fleets of the USSR Navy level now? Where is at least its stripped-down semblance? Who has the real strength to fight the AUG?
      The democrats have many problems, many tasks, but not enough ships. But who has enough of them for real tasks? The German frigate's campaign in the Red Sea showed that even on board a good ship you can screw up if there are no many years of training as close as possible to a combat situation, if there are no routine multi-month campaigns...
      And who walks the seas and oceans the most, “showing the flag”? That's it...

      To Article:
      The Navy has used the light aircraft carrier design in the past, so it will be able to adapt quickly if it needs to expand its aircraft carrier fleet.

      They won’t be able to “quickly”, they won’t do it at all, otherwise they will “castrate” the ILC.
      The question here is solely how useful this deployment was for Israel.

      An aircraft carrier is the best (so far) means of ensuring supremacy at sea. If the area has its own AUG, then the enemy is deprived of the opportunity to calmly operate his fleet, maritime trade is disrupted, and the allies will think ten times before sending their squadron in support... To ensure its dominance and finish off enemy shipping is the main task of an aircraft carrier. He does not need to compete with the enemy air force, bomb infrastructure (as many believe), he can do this, if necessary, but as an auxiliary tool.
  3. -12
    25 March 2024 05: 50
    Aircraft carriers are the jewel in the crown of every navy
    So far, these “pearls” have distinguished themselves by bombing Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq and some targets in Syria. Well, they also showed the flag. No one knows how aircraft carriers will behave in a real war. The Americans won the war in the Pacific thanks to aircraft carriers, but that was almost 80 years ago and during that time the weapons have changed a lot. Afterword. For some reason I remember battleships around which they danced dances with a tambourine in the same way wink
  4. +3
    25 March 2024 06: 06
    Under the current plan, over the next four decades, Ford-class aircraft carriers will replace aircraft class "Nimitz" on a one-to-one basis.

    Correct the mistake.
  5. -7
    25 March 2024 06: 21
    There really are a lot of letters. And a lot of unnecessary emotions. You just need to firmly remember: American aircraft carriers are not ships, but mobile bases for expeditionary forces as part of an aviation group and units of the US Marine Corps. These ships are not designed for naval warfare and are maintained only as delivery vehicles. The entire AUG is an airfield, a barracks, an intelligence center and their security.
    1. +5
      25 March 2024 16: 03
      You just need to firmly remember: American aircraft carriers are not ships, but mobile bases for expeditionary forces as part of an aviation group and units of the US Marine Corps... These ships are not intended for combat operations at sea and contain them only as delivery vehicles..

      It’s better not to remember this, since it doesn’t correspond to reality at all.
      1. -1
        26 March 2024 11: 30
        Can't give a reasonable answer?
        1. +1
          26 March 2024 12: 36
          I respond to valid statements with reason. You made something unfounded, and global at that, and you demand a substantiated answer from me.
          1. 0
            27 March 2024 06: 45
            The “you’re-all-lying” answer is not the answer.
  6. -6
    25 March 2024 07: 04
    Thank you, it made me happy. From the article I learned that America will no longer be able to build aircraft carriers and recruit crews for them until the war begins... There is no one and no one. Ford's funding started in 2001 and it's still unfinished....23 years old. Yes, the next one should be built faster, only it turns out that the subcontractors are already shouting that they won’t make it in time or won’t be able to....
    1. 0
      6 May 2024 05: 22
      Quote: Carib
      Thank you, pleased.

      Not so happy.
      All this already happened in a slightly different form with American battleships before World War II. And they built slowly and eliminated errors...
      But then, during the war, they began to rivet them like sausages.
      What is “encouraging” are the real problems with human resources. Both in the navy and in shipbuilding. It's much more difficult to do anything there.
  7. -7
    25 March 2024 08: 22
    It has been said more than once that the UDC is not an aircraft carrier and using it for these purposes is more expensive.
    1. -8
      25 March 2024 12: 54
      that's it for now,
      a revolution is coming in UDC and multifunctional VTOL fighters
      Ours will soon roll out a heavy VTOL aircraft with 2 sustainer turbojet engines of 23000 kgf each (Soyuz P579-300) with power take-off to the front and side lifting exhaust devices
      distributes lifting thrust of 46 tons for vertical take-off:
      with a power loss for extraction of 20% = 36 tons
      rough estimates:
      + 15 tons of 2 nozzles rotating at 95 degrees at the rear of the aircraft, spaced apart like the Su-57
      + 15 tons for the front nozzles behind the cockpit
      + 6 tons onboard from the airframe in the middle part of the wings
      fighter dry weight 20 tons, fuel 6 tons, weapons 6 tons = 32 tons
      cruising speed will be over 3600 km/h = 1 km/second
      - this is without afterburner at 18000 kgf for each P579-300
      combat radius 1500 km
      1. 0
        25 March 2024 12: 57
        If this happens, then we will talk about it and evaluate possible options. But for now, this is a very unsuccessful ersatz.
    2. +2
      25 March 2024 16: 07
      Rather, it is more expensive for the enemy. Especially if UDCs are used in conjunction, for example, with land-based AWACS.
      And for strike purposes, a UDC with two dozen aircraft is a serious problem for any enemy within a radius of a thousand kilometers, or even more.
      1. -3
        25 March 2024 19: 25
        The problem is that the "penguin" in short take-off and vertical landing mode consumes a lot of fuel. You have to limit either the flight range or the weight of the b/c. And the UDC ammunition magazines are not designed for many sorties, as well as fuel for airplanes and helicopters; there is not an abundance there. Since a lot of space in the hull is occupied by the Marine Corps with its equipment and armored vehicles. Yes, and the UDC power plant also eats fuel, bless you. Therefore, as an aircraft carrier, it is very conditional, only if there is nothing at all.
        1. +3
          25 March 2024 19: 56
          Of course, it will not provide a complete replacement of attack aircraft carriers. But it can fully operate in combination with an attack aircraft carrier or perform individual tasks for which the capabilities of an attack aircraft carrier are redundant and thereby relieve the attackers for other tasks.
          "Penguin" in short take-off and vertical landing mode consumes a lot of fuel.

          When landing, it is relatively not very much, since the plane at this moment has the least weight. Takeoff with mileage is also far from vertical takeoff in terms of fuel consumption.
          Fuel and ammunition supplies are replenished from supply ships.
          If the UDC operates in conjunction with an attack aircraft carrier or a coastal tanker, then in-flight refueling is also possible if necessary.
          Since a lot of space in the hull is occupied by the Marine Corps with its equipment and armored vehicles.

          In any case, the UDC has room for a large air group, including fuel, ammunition, and so on.
          The composition of the air group varies depending on the specific mission being performed. For amphibious operations with the task of landing an expeditionary group, the standard air group is considered to be twelve MV-22 Osprey tiltrotors, six F-35B airborne fighters, four CH-53K King Stallion transport helicopters, seven AH-1Z Viper / UH-1Y Venom attack / multi-role helicopters and two search and rescue MH-60S Knighthawks. In the “light aircraft carrier” version, the air group should consist of twenty F-35B fighters and two MH-60S helicopters [approx. 1][8].

          If you don’t load the Marines, then there will be even more space; for the landing force, there is also space provided for reserves of weapons and equipment.
          1. -2
            25 March 2024 23: 23
            1. When landing, in the “hovering” mode, it eats, bless you, a very unfortunate mode from an aerodynamic point of view. 2. If there is an airfield nearby, then an aircraft carrier is not needed. It has long been proven that land aviation is more effective than deck aviation. 3. In the case of intensive flights, even nuclear aircraft carriers had to be recharged every three days. It was good in the Persian Gulf, there were ports with supplies nearby. If the distance were greater, then each aircraft carrier would need 3-4 supply transports. Even the Americans don’t have that many. 5. If you don’t take marines on board, then why such a UDC. They were already experimenting - removing the docking chamber, strengthening the air group. We returned to the original scheme.
    3. +2
      25 March 2024 16: 42
      VTOL aircraft on UDC are the consequences of the administrative division in the US Armed Forces, where there is a separate ILC, IMHO.
      Well, the fact that the “under-aircraft carrier UDC” is simply expensive is of little concern to anyone.

      The Marine Corps has always wanted its own aviation, and let it be directly subordinate to the landing force, and not to squadrons on naval aircraft carriers. After all, it can always turn out like in the Philippine Sea, when “real aircraft carriers” can chase Kurita, and the landing party will have to fight back with what is on the “convoy aircraft carriers”.

      After BB2, the KMP successfully turned up with a Harrier, which the British made in case a “nuclear scribe” came to all airfields. In the event of the arrival of the “nuclear fox” and war in Europe, it was planned to deploy forward bases with aviation within 24 hours on any suitable piece of land. This “feature” was useful IMHO only once, in the Falklands.
      The rest of the countries, who are poorer, also wanted a ship version of the Harrier. The "Land Harrier" remained only in the South Caucasus Air Force, IMHO.
      Well, then the F35 was planned to replace, including the Harrier. This is how the F35B appeared, which in the area, for example, the Kuril Islands, has little threat. So “under-aircraft carrier UDC” is better than no aircraft carrier.
      1. +3
        25 March 2024 17: 26
        This “feature” was useful IMHO only once, in the Falklands.

        It was also useful in Afghanistan - they were used from forward sites with minimal reaction time to the situation that arose
        ...the command of the peacekeeping contingent, having seen in practice the outstanding qualities of VTOL aircraft, especially important in Afghan conditions (unpretentiousness in deployment, quick response to calls when on duty at forward operational sites, large combat load and the ability to operate from short runways), achieved the decision of the military leadership ... about extending the business trip...
        1. +2
          25 March 2024 19: 50
          Yes exactly.
          By the way, I also forgot about the second Iraq: " in the Iraq War in 2003, operating primarily in support of US Marine ground units. During the initial operations, 60 AV-8Bs were deployed on ships such as USS Bonhomme Richard and Bataan, which flew more than 1000 combat missions throughout the war. Whenever possible, forward ground weapons and refueling points were established to support operational operations. [102] USMC Commandant Lt. Gen. Earl B. Hailston stated that the Harriers were able to provide XNUMX-hour support to ground forces, and noted that "The aircraft... has become the envy of pilots even of my background... is on the Harrier "There were so many things that I found the Hornet pilots were asking me to do... We couldn't have asked for a better result.""

          feel
          Something on the topic, only one photo from the Falklands stuck in my head - where the GDP (sheets of metal with holes) and a Harrier that landed unsuccessfully.
          1. +3
            25 March 2024 21: 56
            where the GDP is (sheets of metal with holes)

            This happened in the Union too.
            I once spent a month in a summer camp on such a runway. The grass has grown through the holes in the sheets and from above looks like an ordinary green field.
      2. +2
        25 March 2024 19: 15
        Quote: Wildcat
        The Marine Corps has always wanted its own aviation, and let it be directly subordinate to the landing force, and not to squadrons on naval aircraft carriers.

        Simply put, the UDC is the reincarnation of the escort AV KMP from the Second World War.
        Only this time, the Marine Corps decided to additionally fill these aircraft with landing forces and boats - so that the fleet would definitely not covet them. smile
        Quote: Wildcat
        After all, it can always turn out like in the Philippine Sea, when “real aircraft carriers” can chase Kurita, and the landing party will have to fight back with what is on the “convoy aircraft carriers”.

        Yes, the Marine Corps suspects the navy of wanting to cheat the marines since the days of Guadalcanal. smile
        Then, first, the carrier tactical group collapsed (just before the battle at Savo), and then the naval forces also left, abandoning the Marines and not even unloading more than half of the supplies.
        1. +3
          25 March 2024 19: 27
          Simply put, the UDC is the reincarnation of the escort AV KMP from the Second World War.
          Only this time, the Marine Corps decided to additionally fill these aircraft with landing forces and boats - so that the fleet would definitely not covet them.

          In general, I agree, but IMHO the UDC is a landing ship to which they attached a reinforced through deck and placed a VTOL aircraft, because “let it be its own.”

          The heirs of the convoy aircraft are, IMHO, “small aircraft carriers” like the Spanish or Thai ones.
      3. 0
        25 March 2024 19: 27
        The ILC is generally a separate matter in the political and military structure of the United States. They still have Harriers in service. However, Congress has always kept the Marines in a “black body”. Congressmen don't like them)))
        1. +3
          25 March 2024 19: 37
          In the “black body” they usually keep such a strange formation as the National Guard, and then all NG units suffer differently.
          And the Marines, IMHO, get “the best that money can buy.”
          From the point of view of the current reorganization of the USMS, they are not offended, although, for example, they took away the tanks and did not give them a new amphibian; they will simply reorient them to the Pacific Ocean, where they must take and hold islands - hence the new equipment such as mobile anti-ship missiles.
          1. -3
            25 March 2024 23: 27
            Who told you this? Marines are supplied on a residual basis. They have everything that is old, they still have Harriers in service. Until 2016, there were M1A1 Abrams, when the infantry had long been on advanced versions of the M1A2. The ILC reports directly to the president. He can use the ILC without congressional approval. Congress doesn't like this very much.
          2. +2
            26 March 2024 10: 29
            Quote: Wildcat
            And the Marines, IMHO, get “the best that money can buy.”

            Yeah... the KMP gets everything - except the money itself. smile
            Do you remember the story with the "Sea Apache"? The tests of the ship-based helicopter were successful, the KMP was ready to take it into service - but there was no money for the helicopter. So, Marines, listen to your "Valenki" buy Cobras and Hueys.
            But the KMP’s assets also include the AAV-7 amphibious assault vehicle, which is a renamed LVTP-7 landing armored personnel carrier from the Vietnam War. There are “understrikers” - the first LAVs. There were old versions of "Abramov" (EMNIP, the KMP received the first "Abramov" to replace its M60 at the same time as Egypt smile ). It was generally inconvenient with the AV-8: to maintain their technical condition, the KMP was going to purchase Harriers decommissioned in Britain - it would be cheaper.
  8. -6
    25 March 2024 09: 20
    I wonder how the United States will use AUG against a state that has the means to bring heat to the United States? The US sent three aircraft carriers against Kim Jong-En, so what? The AUG is a means of delivering nuclear strikes not in the first wave, but in the second. When this will no longer play any role.
    1. +4
      25 March 2024 18: 02
      The AUG is a means of delivering nuclear strikes not in the first wave, but in the second. When this will no longer play any role.

      No.
      Both nuclear weapons carriers and nuclear weapons service groups have been removed from aircraft carriers. The US Navy is fighting for “nuclear weapons only on strategic carriers,” that is, on SSBNs. It sounds crazy, but it's a fact.

      On the other hand, given that nuclear weapons were removed from “non-strategic ships” of the United States and the Russian Federation through an exchange of letters between the Presidents of the Russian Federation and the United States (also sounds crazy now, but such were the times), there are technically no obstacles to certifying the F35B and F35S for the B61. IMHO, it will be so, I can’t believe that for such a sensitive area as nuclear weapons, the United States will not come up with another “black program” like for F117.

      Again, considering that tactical nuclear weapons have never been subject to any bans before, all these references to the Federation of American Scientists, which claims that the United States has fewer tactical nuclear weapons than the Russian Federation, personally seem unconvincing to me. Well, the return of nuclear weapons to aircraft carriers is limited only by a letter that Biden or Trump did not personally sign.

      The US sent three aircraft carriers against Kim Jong En, so what?
      Kim handed over Americans from prison to Trump. And what’s going on in North Korea is the least of Trump’s worries.

      it will no longer play any role.
      Aircraft carriers are very useful for the war against nuclear weapons. Andrey from Chelyabinsk described everything in detail at one time.
  9. -2
    25 March 2024 09: 32
    The author’s trouble is that he is essentially a hater of aircraft carriers as a class of warships. Dear author, for your information, aircraft carriers in the United States have never been considered as the main striking force; these functions are performed there by a “workhorse” - Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. Aircraft carriers are a floating airfield for tactical aviation and at the same time a control ship. As for the construction of new aircraft carriers in the USA and their maintenance, unfortunately they don’t have any particular problems with this, proof of this is the constant “roaming” of their AUGs across the world’s oceans
    1. +5
      25 March 2024 12: 33
      Quote: bug120560
      Dear author, for your information, aircraft carriers in the United States have never been considered as the main striking force

      She always had them. Strike aircraft and nuclear submarines are two pillars, the rest of the surface aircraft are provided
      1. -6
        25 March 2024 13: 58
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        They were always there for her
        Who were they striking against? Against countries that do not have developed air defense? wink
        1. +7
          25 March 2024 14: 12
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Who were they striking against? Against countries that do not have developed air defense?

          Yeah. Against the USSR. Mikhel, do I seriously need to explain for the eleventh time that the AB air group corresponded to two regiments of Soviet tactical aviation with enhanced AWACS and electronic warfare, which the Soviet regiments did not have even close to?
          1. -4
            25 March 2024 18: 26
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            air group AB corresponded to two regiments of Soviet tactical aviation
            You never know what it corresponded to. These “two regiments” still needed to fly to land, where there were much more of these regiments, and these regiments were not drinking beer, but were on alert. We must not forget about ground-based air defense. Well, the aircraft carrier also needs to swim to the plane’s launch site. In a word, aircraft carriers in today’s conditions can only bomb Papuans
            1. +5
              25 March 2024 19: 20
              Quote: Dutchman Michel
              These “two regiments” still needed to fly to land, where there were much more of these regiments, and these regiments were not drinking beer, but were on alert.

              Yeah, yeah... like in the Far East in 1982 during FleetEx-82. Then the Pacific Fleet slept through the approach of two AUGs - and suddenly it turned out that
              more than 30 ships maneuver 300 miles southeast of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and conduct carrier-based aviation flights at a distance of 150 km from our coast

              And most importantly, who said that ABs will walk alone? Where did the USSR have a group of air bases capable of accommodating 5-7 regiments? And how long would these regiments have to be transferred from other airfields?
              1. -4
                25 March 2024 20: 36
                Quote: Alexey RA
                And most importantly, who said that ABs will walk alone?
                It doesn’t matter how many of them there will be. Our strategists hung over the sea seven days a week and 24 hours a day wink
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Where did the USSR have a group of air bases capable of accommodating 5-7 regiments?
                You will be surprised, but the entire Far East was strewn with these same shelves. It was very difficult to meet a man in civilian clothes wink
                1. +4
                  25 March 2024 21: 42
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  You will be surprised, but the entire Far East was strewn with these same shelves.

                  In fact, there are 4 large air bases in the Far East, one of which has two regiments
                2. +2
                  26 March 2024 10: 33
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  It doesn’t matter how many of them there will be. Our strategists hung over the sea seven days a week and 24 hours a day

                  Yes Yes Yes...
                  September 13, Monday. Pacific Fleet reconnaissance is trying to fly out and detect the US aircraft carrier group. But the Americans are introducing radio silence, all radars are turned off. Space reconnaissance also does not produce results. Nevertheless, the MRA aircraft took off from Kamchatka. Into an empty space.

                  That is, after the discovery of the Enterprise and Midway near Vilyuchinsk, intelligence lost them again.
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  You will be surprised, but the entire Far East was strewn with these same shelves.

                  Ultimately, the US carrier strike force passed east of the Kuril Islands, revealing the capabilities of Soviet air defense to protect its borders. The apotheosis of this transition was the violation of the USSR airspace in the area of ​​the Lesser Kuril Ridge (Tanfilyev, Anchuchina, Yuri, Polonsky, Zeleny, Shikotan islands).
                  It turned out that the “all-weather” aviation of those years was unable to withstand American carrier-based aircraft. The weather did not allow them to be used.
            2. +5
              25 March 2024 20: 03
              Quote: Dutchman Michel
              These “two regiments” still need to fly to land, where there were many more of these regiments

              And if you took the trouble to simulate this story even a little, you would realize that:
              1) The USSR had few AWACS aircraft, and the control sectors of the existing ones were quite easily opened by carrier-based EW and RTR aircraft
              2) It was extremely difficult to detect the arrival of the AB at the attack line
              3) With proper deployment, the attacking deck regiment with reinforcements would have been “copied” at most a couple of hundred kilometers from the target, or even closer. When it is too late to alert forces from neighboring airfields, they will no longer have time to fend off the attack.
              In general, my advice to you is to look for people who served in the USSR MRA and listen to what they tell you about the fight against AUG. They, unlike you, flew out to intercept AUG more than once or five times.
              And they will tell you that fighting AUG is extremely difficult, but it is possible... if you have the means to control the air and ground conditions and sufficient resources to strike at them. They will tell you that we have neither one nor the other today. We cannot recruit one regiment of modern aviation for the fleet. shame and disgrace, not to mention the MRA. And the reconnaissance assets were destroyed in the trash, which is why the only RKR of the Black Sea Fleet had to be used as a remote radar reconnaissance post.
              Quote: Dutchman Michel
              In a word, aircraft carriers in today’s conditions can only bomb Papuans

              Today, the Northern Fleet is capable of at least theoretically repelling an attack by a single AUG. Practically...
              1. -5
                25 March 2024 20: 26
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                1) The USSR had few AWACS aircraft, and the control sectors of the existing ones were quite easily opened by carrier-based EW and RTR aircraft
                2) It was extremely difficult to detect the arrival of the AB at the attack line
                3) With proper deployment, the attacking deck regiment with reinforcements would have been “copied” at most a couple of hundred kilometers from the target, or even closer
                And they will tell you that fighting AUG is extremely difficult
                I’m surprised how we didn’t give up ourselves in the 70s and 80s? P.S. I served in the DA and I know what it is capable of. I won’t say anything about naval aviation, but I am sure that the “strategists” will easily resolve the issue with aircraft carriers. Just don’t say that the AUG has strong air defense, I know that, but here the question is in the training of specialists, both on the one hand and on the other.

                I'll say it again. In the Pacific theater during WWII, everything depended on aircraft carriers; without them, landing on the islands would have been simply impossible. At the moment, an air strike on a large area of ​​land is simply impossible. Air defense in Ukraine, not one strategist can fly into the air defense area of ​​responsibility. An attack aircraft with an attack helicopter cannot fly there either. Something like this

                And finally. Remember the Gulf War in 1991, when the WWII battleship easily entered the Persian Gulf and just as easily used artillery along the coastline. Why? Yes, because Iraq did not have normal coastal defense. In exactly the same way, an aircraft carrier will approach the conditional Papuans and begin to hammer them
                1. +5
                  25 March 2024 21: 39
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  I’m surprised how we didn’t give up ourselves in the 70s and 80s?

                  Without witty remarks, as I understand it, nowhere?
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  P.S. I served in the DA and I know what it is capable of. I won’t say anything about naval aviation, but I am sure that the “strategists” will easily resolve the issue with aircraft carriers.

                  Your confidence is not at all confirmed by the practice of searching for and delivering training strikes on AUG. Actually... I can’t even imagine how you came up with this. Will you fly on a Tu-95 or Tu-160 to look for the AUG, or what?
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  Just don’t say that the AUG has strong air defense, I know that, but here the question is in the training of specialists, both on the one hand and on the other.

                  First of all, this is a question of the number of forces that we can direct to search for AUG. In the USSR these were reconnaissance aviation regiments + deployed submarine divisions, among other things. Now there is none of this.
                  Secondly, these are orders of forces to destroy the AUG. In the USSR these were two-regiment air divisions with Tu-22M3 and the like. And they were driven to the tail and to the mane; situations when the Northern Fleet division had to redeploy to the Pacific Fleet on alarm and deliver a “strike” on a training target were then the norm. Now the only Tu-22M3 regiment in the entire country is mainly occupied with YES tasks, and to a minimal extent with the fleet.
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  I repeat again.

                  No need to repeat, your analogies are completely false.
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  At the moment, an air strike on a large area of ​​land is simply impossible.

                  More than possible. And there is nothing to reflect it with.
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  Air defense in Ukraine, not one strategist can fly into the air defense area of ​​responsibility. An attack aircraft with an attack helicopter cannot fly there either. Something like this

                  You look and don't see.
                  One and a half disabled Su-24s of the Ukrainian Armed Forces strike with several Storm Shadows, supported by several modifications of the S-200 missile defense system + several decoys - and this is enough to break through the air defense of the Black Sea Fleet base, causing damage to ships under repair and the Black Sea Fleet headquarters. Think at your leisure what a sudden, correct attack by two dozen modern strike aircraft under the cover of electronic warfare and controlled by AWACS, supported by the launch of two or three dozen Tomahawks, will do to Crimea.
                  1. -3
                    26 March 2024 05: 03
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    what would a sudden, correct attack by two dozen modern strike aircraft under the cover of electronic warfare and controlled by AWACS, supported by the launch of two to three dozen Tomahawks, do to Crimea?
                    Let's give up right away and dissolve the entire military-industrial complex, why waste money in vain? By the way, I understood your “expert” opinion since the discussion of armor plates. Usually I don’t enter into a discussion with such people; I value time. Stay true to your “expert” opinion wink
                    1. +4
                      26 March 2024 08: 08
                      Quote: Dutchman Michel
                      Let's just give up and dissolve the entire military-industrial complex, why waste money in vain?

                      No, let’s better close our eyes to the reality of the threats and shout “they should only bomb the Papuans!” In peacetime, of course, it calms you down, but in wartime... As the North Military District has shown, sarcastic chants do not lead to any good.
                      Quote: Dutchman Michel
                      By the way, I understood your “expert” opinion since the discussion of armor plates.

                      That would be fine, mine. But you manage to argue with the opinion of the people who sat at the controls of the Tu-22M3 and played “cat and mouse” with the AUG.
                      Quote: Dutchman Michel
                      I usually don’t enter into a discussion with people like that; I value their time.

                      So don't join. And if you do join, take the trouble to study the subject of the discussion at least a little
  10. +2
    25 March 2024 16: 15
    One of the major questions debated in the national security community is whether the U.S. Navy even has enough capabilities to deter adversaries and prevail in a potential conflict.

    I don't really understand what the author is getting at. What kind of conflict is it that the US Navy will have to prevail on its own? The American Army and the American Air Force will not show up for this conflict?
  11. -7
    25 March 2024 16: 50
    Prove to them, the author, that there is not enough AB - let them resist and build more - maybe they will go completely bankrupt tongue
  12. -3
    25 March 2024 18: 09
    Damn these aircraft carriers!
    We are reviving project 1144.2!
    Moreover, there is already documentation for reconstruction. You can put aside several Arctic icebreakers and gas carriers and make 3-4 such cruisers.
    Not a single aircraft carrier will enter its deployment zone.
  13. -1
    25 March 2024 18: 28
    The larger the vessel, the easier it is to get into it!!!!!!!!!!
  14. 0
    26 March 2024 18: 40
    And in the last paragraphs, the Americans are more worried not about the destruction of the cars themselves, but rather about the loss of dollars. Hence the conclusion: minus treasuries from the non-Western world = minus Aug in current quantities, and in general minus American ambitions and desires.