How to penetrate ships

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How to penetrate ships

There is a sound barrier behind - and a target looms ahead. “It will pierce the ship to the very bottom”!

But what is hidden behind the exclamation? Do the size and high velocity of the ammunition matter when it hits a ship?



Here are three examples from different eras. World War II, the 50s of the last century and modern solutions.

Guided bombs for the Luftwaffe


... "Fritz" pierced seven decks like sheets of foil. A moment later, the bottom was knocked out - and the bomb buried itself in the water column. There its fuse woke up - 320 kilograms of ammotol shook the cruiser, the boiler furnaces went out and the cars stopped.

At this point, season 43 was completed. Tons of water poured into the damaged compartments. The crew of the Uganda lost 16 people - out of nine hundred sailors on board.

The KG/100 bomber squadron scored a “cross” for successfully hitting the target. But the results of using a one and a half ton guided bomb turned out to be, to put it mildly, inexpressive. So, a couple of years before the events described, Messerschmitt fighters managed to deal with the light cruiser Fiji (of the same type as Uganda) using 250 kg of air bombs.

Of course, the caliber has no direct connection with the amount of damage. Many factors matter. But story with the "Uganda" appears in an obvious light - the cruiser and its crew very successfully survived the meeting with the "wunderwaffe". Few ships had the chance to experience bombs of this caliber.

"Uganda" received a major hole. The cruiser's mechanisms were damaged, but it stayed afloat with a working propeller. After ersatz repairs in Malta, the cruiser headed under its own power across the ocean. Subsequently, already under the Canadian flag, he operated in the Pacific theater of operations.


The size and combat value of the "Uganda" did not require the use of particularly large caliber gliding bombs against it. That day the German bomber was simply looking for any target.

The whole story was about how weak the impact of the guided bomb, which had a mass of 1,5 tons, turned out to be.

Penetrating the enemy is the worst-case scenario.


The durability of the ammunition and the supply of kinetic energy are necessary only to overcome the defense. If the protection was broken (or was absent initially), then the unspent reserve of kinetic energy became a problem for the ammunition itself.

A through hole means that a hole has formed in a structure weighing thousands of tons, the transverse dimensions of which are negligible compared to the size of the target. If there are 10–15–20 waterproof compartments, a hole in the bottom is not a mortal threat.

You can hit the sheathing with a crowbar more effectively.

If the ammunition penetrates the inside of the ship, then its speed, rotation, and mass cease to matter. Flying through compartments, trying to crush something, chop it up, cut ammunition with your own body - all this is not very useful fuss.

The sea target, due to its colossal size, must be blown up. Therefore, the success of the attack depends on the reliability of the detonator and the amount of explosive contained in the warhead.

In rare cases, it was possible to do without explosives - it was enough to set the ship on fire. As you know, the destroyer Sheffield was burned by a missile stuck in its hull with a “running engine.”

Wait, how is this even possible?

What will remain of the fragile compressor blades and turbines of a turbojet engine after hitting metal bulkheads at a speed of 900 km/h?

The only French anti-ship missile "Exocet" had a sustainer solid propellant rocket engine. In other words, a multi-kilogram firework was stuck in the Sheffield’s hull, spewing jets of fire for several minutes.

But still, explosives are more effective.


The destroyer Buchanan turned into a target (1960). To be fair, its dimensions were only slightly larger than those of a modern corvette. Small hole - corresponds to a hit by the Harpoon anti-ship missile with an inert warhead. The heavily damaged nasal extremity is the result of exposure to two similar anti-ship missiles in combat equipment.

And we are transported again to the 1940s.

The extreme penetration ability played a cruel joke on “Fritz”


When creating the Fritz-X, the armor-piercing bomb PC.1400 was chosen as the basis, whose index clearly hinted at the value of its mass.

A very desperate choice - for a bomb that was planned to be thrown from a height of 5-6 kilometers. Having accelerated to the speed of sound, the 1-kilogram “Fritz” acquired incredible penetrating power!

The deck was struck by ammunition that was heavier than the 460-mm Yamato projectile. Only the shells were designed, among other things, to penetrate the vertical protection of the side, which was many times thicker than any horizontal armored deck. And the trajectories of the projectiles did not suggest such favorable angles of meeting the target - like those of a vertically falling Fritz-X.

The chronicle of combat use leaves no doubt - bombs too often, having flown through the entire hull, exploded somewhere in the water.

Uganda, Savannah, Roma, Littorio and Warspite. All of them had eight Fritz-X hits. And in six cases these were through wounds.

In materials devoted to the German superbomb, the ability to penetrate seven decks is presented as an obvious advantage and proof of the power of the Fritz.

But it seems that this was far from the case. The explosion outside the hull blurred the full effect of the successful attack.

Bombs weighing 1,5 tons were not created just to scratch giants. The effect of their hits was disproportionately greater when the explosions occurred inside the hull.


Thus, the only victim was the Italian Roma. And again - the first "Fritz" left a hole in the bottom, without any definite result.

A new attack followed. And - suddenly! The fuse went off a moment earlier. "Fritz" exploded inside the hull.

The death of Roma showed what happens when the bomb doesn't hit the hole.

...Before the end of the war, the Germans managed to produce hundreds of “Fritz”. The number of large ships among the Allies increased. But the gliding armor-piercing Fritz-X was never used in combat again. It remains to speculate about the reasons for such a disdainful attitude towards the “wunderwaffe” on the part of the Germans themselves.

Can-opener


We are transported to the next era.

At a time when giants still ruled the sea - ships built to 1940s standards. But now they had a meeting with the Soviet anti-ship weapons.

The world's first samples of anti-ship missiles. Massive and bulky, with an engine from a Yak-25 fighter jet.

Contrary to modern ideas, Soviet designers did not believe in the ability of anti-ship missiles to disable an American cruiser (Baltimore or Des Moines) when a missile hit the surface.

Even such a huge missile as the KSShch (ship-based projectile “Pike”).


Indeed, it was strange to expect the destruction of a 200-meter ship when a Yak-15 jet fighter (whose take-off weight approximately corresponded to the starting weight of the KSShch) fell onto its deck.

With this description, the depth of the problem becomes noticeable.

3 tons versus 18 tons.

No, the example of the German “Fritz” has nothing to do with it. Although the speed of the “Pike” and “Fritz” was approximately the same.

The Fritz-X bomb itself was a “warhead” that was delivered to the target using a special carrier (aircraft). A one and a half ton blank, 80% made of high-strength steel.

“Pike” is an aircraft, i.e. a rather fragile object, like everything that belongs to the sphere aviation and rocket technology. Where the warhead itself accounted for only 600 kg, of which about half was explosive.

The crazy “Fritz” could break through 150–200 mm of structural horizontal protection with its body and fly out of the hull.

The combat unit of the "Pike" was more modest. The walls of the warhead are thinner, the strength is less. Enough for effective penetration inside the Baltimore SRT hull. But Soviet designers saw some kind of problem. And in general they refused to hit ships on the surface.

The reason could be the analysis of battle damage during the Second World War. Pre-war cruisers could withstand several hits from kamikaze aircraft and still remain in service. Baltimore and Des Moines were even larger and more advanced. Therefore, neither the high speed of the KSShch nor the presence of a large warhead provided a guarantee of success.

A special, sophisticated attack scheme was developed for the KSSH.

The missile dived at a certain angle - with the intention of entering the water at a distance of 30-40 meters from the side of the enemy ship. The detachable warhead continued its movement under water, hitting the target below the waterline.

A hit by anti-ship missiles should have had consequences similar to a torpedo attack.

From a technical point of view, the warhead of the Pike was nothing like a torpedo. No rudders or control surfaces - everything would come off when falling into the water at transonic speed.

The warhead was a streamlined rod with an explosive charge, which moved in the desired direction by inertia, covering 30–40 meters in tenths of a second.

The difficulty was choosing the right trajectory so that the rod would not bury itself deep in the water and slip under the keel of the ship. Success depended on many random factors. The concept of a “diving warhead” was recognized as an overly bold decision, and since 1959, a modification of the “Pike” with a conventional, inseparable warhead entered service.

Now all attacks were carried out only on the surface of the ships. There are legends about how “Pikes” hit target ships during exercises.

Earlier, the author had already called useless attempts to “crush, chop, cut something with your own body of ammunition.” However, maritime history knows an example when a missile almost cut a destroyer lengthwise - in half!

I will quote one passage that is reprinted over and over again in articles devoted to the KSShch rocket. The description of the damage caused by the missile strike evokes strong feelings among the public.

Curious shooting in 1961, the destroyer "Wrathful" on the destroyer "Boky" - the first target ship, which retained all the superstructure, artillery installations and torpedo tubes. At the same time, “Boyky” was not put on the barrels and constantly changed its position from the drift.

At the time of launch, the rocket and the target were in the same diametral plane. The rocket hit the target in the joint of the deck and side, at the base of the rack of the stern flag. The result was a ricochet, and the rocket went along the median plane of the ship above the deck, sweeping away everything in its path. At first they were stern gun turrets, then superstructures with a rangefinder station located on them, then stern torpedo tubes. Everything was swept overboard, right up to the forecastle.

Next, the rocket entered along the forecastle, cutting it like a can opener, and got stuck in the area of ​​the nose 130-millimeter cannon. In this case, the dockmaster fell on one side, and the bridge with the control tower and another 130-millimeter cannon - on the other. If the flight of the rocket had not been filmed on a film, no one would have believed that this could be done with the ship with one rocket, and even with an inert warhead.
Alexander Shirokorad "Flying Pike".

The story with the “can opener” sounds impressive, if not for one thing.

In 1961, the destroyer Boykiy could not stand on its barrels and also could not drift. It was cut into metal in Sevastopol in 1959.

A colorful description of damage on an unknown ship is a glaring “flaw” in a story that claims to be historically accurate. This only confirms the author’s guess - another naval tale.


Destroyer of Project 7. Now imagine what distance the missile allegedly “overcame” - through all the structures blocking its path on the deck of the destroyer, and then through the hull to get stuck under the bow 130-mm gun mount

It’s easy and routine to rip off a torpedo tube and throw it overboard. And fly further, flapping your wings.

For a minute, the torpedo tube of the Soviet destroyer weighed more than 10 tons.

Ripping out 12-ton artillery mounts, tearing through a hundred meters of metal structures and cutting deck flooring like paper... Such tricks would require not aluminum wings, but a “weight” made of depleted uranium.

Examples from the 21st century


In the new century, an interesting episode was noted in which a rocket was able to sink a ship due to its kinetic energy.

The SM-6 Block I anti-aircraft missile, capable of targeting any radio-contrast objects, was chosen as the weapon of destruction. Including naval targets.

The target was the Reuben James, a decommissioned Oliver Perry-class frigate with a standard displacement of 4 tons.


An entire ship was sunk with this thing

SM-6 or “Standard-6” is a two-stage solid-fuel missile defense system with a launch weight of about one and a half tons. After burning out 1 kg of fuel, a sustainer stage remains in flight, containing the ARGSN, control system and fragmentation warhead - almost four times less in mass than the warhead of the Harpoon anti-ship missile.

Due to their smaller warhead and questionable effectiveness against sea targets, anti-aircraft missiles were never considered as a replacement for anti-ship weapons. SAMs were launched at ships for fun. However, they were sometimes used in combat situations. Not to sink is to scare the enemy.

One can recall an incident from a naval exercise in 1992, when an American ship fired point-blank Sea Sparrow missiles at the Turkish destroyer Muavenet. The explosion of the 40 kg warhead of the first missile defense system led to the death of five crew members. The second rocket got stuck in the body and did not explode. At the same time, the “destroyer” itself, built in the 1940s, refused to sink.

The flight speed of the modern SM-6 is approximately the same as the Sea Sparrow missile system and is Mach 3,5.

The SM-6 sustainer stage has a mass of about 300 kg. The warhead is larger – 64 kg.

Moving along a ballistic trajectory, the SM-6 hit the Reuben James and pierced the frigate. He took it and sank.

Question: due to what miraculous properties did a missile with a 64 kg warhead manage to sink an entire frigate?

High speed? Kinetic energy? Come on, joke...


Frigates of the "Oliver Perry" type, from this angle the true dimensions of the ships, including the underwater part of the hull, become clear - in comparison with the usual things and figures of people.

SM-6 left a hole in the underwater part, the size of which is unknown. But it is clear that the hull of the Oliver Perry-class frigates was divided into 11 compartments by watertight bulkheads.

The author has a couple of comments about the reasons for the death of the frigate Reuben James, the degree of reliability of which can be assessed as undoubted.

1. There was no crew on board the target ship.

In real combat conditions, emergency parties must take control of this situation. The damaged compartment is isolated. Counter-flooding measures are being applied. There are clear standards - how many minutes after the compartment begins to flood, the ship must return to an even keel.

There was no one on board the Reuben James to do the work. The uncontrolled flow of water and the increasing tilt ultimately led to a natural result.

2. In the process of becoming a target, Reuben James was properly “undressed”. All weapons and valuable equipment were removed from it. In such cases, they do not stand on ceremony, which inevitably affected the tightness of the bulkheads. And the situation became even more complicated when water poured through the hole.

There was also a third argument, which can be assessed as “probable”.

It is known what fate awaits the target ships. The fury of all types of weapons falls upon them. For example, the destroyer Buchanan, already mentioned in this article, received a total of three Harpoons, three Hellfires, and finally was hit by a 1000-kg aerial bomb.

Therefore, it is possible that Reuben James suffered the same fate. The SM-6 missile was not the first munition to hit the doomed ship. And most likely, this was the case - the size of the missile defense system is too insignificant compared to the frigate.

Unfortunately, no one tries to pay attention to such aspects. A stupid result achieved in testing conditions is presented as a real achievement. And experts continue to admire the miracle weapon, capable of shooting down planes and sinking ships with one blow.

Summary


When evaluating anti-ship weapons, the first thing to look at is the amount of explosive contained in the warhead.

In modern conditions, speed is only necessary to overcome air defense systems. Further, everything depends on the parameters of the warhead. The kinetic energy reserve of the ammunition itself is not capable of causing noticeable damage to the ship, due to the colossal size of the naval target.

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  2. +5
    24 March 2024 05: 51
    An additional example to the article could be the German aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelinn, or rather, its sinking in the Baltic Sea after the war. Air bombs were dropped on the poor fellow, the largest of which was FAB-1000, fired from artillery guns and attacked with torpedoes. And in my opinion, it was only on the fourth attempt that he was sent to the bottom. His vitality was simply amazing! I express my respect to the author!
    1. +6
      24 March 2024 09: 51
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      An additional example to the article could be the German aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelinn, or rather, its sinking in the Baltic Sea after the war. Air bombs were dropped on the poor fellow, the largest of which was FAB-1000, fired from artillery guns and attacked with torpedoes. And in my opinion, it was only on the fourth attempt that he was sent to the bottom. His vitality was simply amazing! I express my respect to the author!

      Exactly the same survivability as a tank corps at the training ground. At least shoot yourself.
      But it’s worth loading it with ammunition and refueling it...
  3. 0
    24 March 2024 05: 53
    There is a video on YouTube. There, of course, it’s not “Pike”, but, it seems, “Mosquito”. Passed 2/3 of the target length. And this is not an EM seven, but a much larger Ural. Maybe I’m confusing something, but there is physical evidence.
    1. +3
      24 March 2024 06: 19
      Quote: MCmaximus
      There is a video on YouTube. There, of course, it’s not “Pike”, but, it seems, “Mosquito”. Passed 2/3 of the target length. And this is not an EM seven, but a much larger Ural. Maybe I’m confusing something, but there is physical evidence.

      Floating barracks. 110m barge.
      1. 0
        24 March 2024 06: 45
        I just looked at Ural. Something stuck in my memory. But this floating barracks also had some history.
    2. +1
      24 March 2024 08: 29
      Passed 2/3 of the target length

      From side to side, 20 meters

      Floating barracks Tugur. The sides and a couple of internal bulkheads are made of thin metal, pierced right through the tin at Mach 2

      MC maximus, we remembered an interesting example. You can clearly see how small the missile holes are against the background of the size of the ship.
      1. 0
        24 March 2024 09: 27
        There is a video where two mosquitoes pierced it lengthwise. One walked 70 meters, the other the full length
      2. +1
        24 March 2024 09: 58
        This. And it doesn’t matter what’s left of the engines request
        1. 0
          April 3 2024 13: 49
          A familiar picture. It seems from a video about "Yakhonts" (not sure). Can I ask for a link to the video, if it’s not too much trouble?
      3. 0
        24 March 2024 11: 40
        There the rocket hit right along. I'm writing from my phone. Maybe I could find it on a PC.
        In terms of kinetic energy. "Massachusetts" (battleship) hit "Jean Baru" with its main gun. There the shell ricocheted and also traveled 2/3 of the length along the interdeck spaces and superstructures. So the weight of the warhead decides a lot of things. Now, however, there are no strong ships. Everything is cardboard.
        1. +2
          24 March 2024 11: 43
          So the weight of the warhead decides a lot of things.

          Weight + strength

          The Massachusetts armor-piercing shell had a 2% explosive filling. The remaining 98% of the mass of its structure is metal

          Hence such crazy results
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            25 March 2024 15: 40
            The rocket accelerates smoothly. She doesn’t have to scrape along the trunk, driven from behind almost by an explosion. It is possible to make the weight ratio of the housing and explosives much more optimal. Yes, and the body can be made more expensive and stronger. There are fewer missiles and the accuracy is many times higher. As a result, the warheads of the missiles will be cheaper than the warheads of a battleship.
            And also the speed of the rocket in the final section is maximum, while at the projectile it constantly drops. And if the rocket has an impact core, then you won’t envy a modern cardboard ship. Electronics, tracks... Everything just breaks down at once and there is no combat effectiveness.
            1. 0
              26 March 2024 21: 56
              It is possible to make the weight ratio of the housing and explosives much more optimal.

              The same Massachusetts guns fired landmines with 8% filling, designed to destroy concrete fortifications on the shore

              For other 15/16-inch guns, landmines with even thinner walls and 11-12% filling are known (example - British 15dm)

              The walls of armor-piercing shells were so thick not because of overloads at the moment of firing. They needed strength to break through defenses. Otherwise, why would there be constructors? reduced the filling of explosives to a “ridiculous” 1,5% ??
              maximum, but for the projectile it constantly falls.

              The Massachusetts projectile had an initial speed of more than Mach 2, and at all calculated combat distances the projectile speed was at least 1,5 Mach - faster than all modern Western anti-ship missiles

              Therefore, your example with “Massachusetts” and “Jean Bar” has nothing to do with modern conditions. First of all, because of the phenomenal strength of AP shells
              And what if the rocket has an impact core?

              The most senseless thing that can be used against ships. Blank with 0% explosive content
              1. 0
                27 March 2024 06: 46
                You can start arguing with everything. But I won't.
                And the impact core is not a blank
      4. +1
        24 March 2024 15: 16
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfmXNLkuD30
        Watch from 1st minute
        1. 0
          27 March 2024 01: 35
          Watch from 1st minute

          You need to look at the dimensions of the target, its design

          We see the consequences of warhead detonation
      5. 0
        24 March 2024 15: 18
        So.... Anyway along)))). Tins are not tins. If it gets hit, it won't be fun. The video is here.
  4. +4
    24 March 2024 06: 03
    “Fritz is too redundant even for cruising armor” - I agree. “We need to blow up ships from the inside,” let’s say. And then, a few paragraphs later: “the frigate, hit by an anti-aircraft missile, sank only because there was no crew on it.”
    Or maybe: “the frigate did not take off only because it had no ammunition”?
    1. +2
      24 March 2024 06: 40
      No, everything is written correctly. "Fritz" was intended for heavy ships - to penetrate armored decks. But it was not intended to be used against destroyers and light cruisers.
      Now another problem has arisen - modern anti-ship missiles made of plastic and tin do not cause damage from the inside. We have to strengthen the warhead, make it semi-armor-piercing. And this is weight, this is aviation.
      1. 0
        24 March 2024 08: 02
        Quote: fa2998
        No, everything is written correctly. "Fritz" was intended for heavy ships - to penetrate armored decks. But it was not intended to be used against destroyers and light cruisers.
        Now another problem has arisen - modern anti-ship missiles made of plastic and tin do not cause damage from the inside. We have to strengthen the warhead, make it semi-armor-piercing. And this is weight, this is aviation.

        Semi-armor-piercing, armor-piercing and high-explosive warheads weigh approximately the same with equal calibers
        1. +1
          24 March 2024 08: 35
          Semi-armor-piercing, armor-piercing and high-explosive warheads weigh approximately the same

          If the amount of explosives in the warhead is reduced, this will reduce the amount of damage
          1. +1
            24 March 2024 09: 42
            Quote: Santa Fe
            Semi-armor-piercing, armor-piercing and high-explosive warheads weigh approximately the same

            If the amount of explosives in the warhead is reduced, this will reduce the amount of damage

            That's why they don't make armor-piercing missiles. Any semi-armor-piercing weapon is worth it. During exercises, harpoons penetrate 25-meter hulls. Add another 5 and 10 meters radius for high explosive action and fragments. 35m is more than enough.
            There will be armor, there will be another weapon
      2. 0
        24 March 2024 15: 07
        fa2998 - who used modern anti-ship missiles against warships in real life for the last time?
        1. 0
          24 March 2024 17: 35
          What difference does it make if the anti-ship missile system crumbles when it hits a target ship, or in “real life”
          1. 0
            24 March 2024 18: 13
            fa2998 - when they hit with a blank without explosives, it is natural that the rocket falls apart from deformation upon impact with the hull, and when the rocket is equipped with a warhead, it will cause damage to the ship, depending on the type of rocket and the mass of the explosive and depending on which ship it lands on! no matter whether the rocket body is deformed or not, it will complete its task!
            1. 0
              24 March 2024 18: 33
              I don’t argue, it will die. The only question is OUTSIDE OR INSIDE THE SHIP. wink
    2. +2
      24 March 2024 08: 46
      just because there was no ammunition on it"?

      As statistics of damage to hundreds of ships over the past 100 years have shown, such hits are rare. There is little chance of hitting the ammunition. And even after this there are different options for the development of events. In this case, there are fire extinguishing systems and emergency flooding of cellars. And placement of ammunition in separate isolated cells, etc.

      Frigate Perry - are there many chances of getting into a missile cellar? A certain amount of ammunition up to 76 mm, depth charges for the helicopter were stored somewhere closer to the stern, but the size of the vulnerable spots is incomparable with the size of the ship
      1. 0
        24 March 2024 09: 32
        I wonder if the harpoon would have hit Buchanan's cellar wink .
        There are always chances. Especially with such warheads
        1. +1
          24 March 2024 10: 09
          Especially with such warheads

          Several large fragments

          It makes sense to protect ammunition storage areas with anti-fragmentation bulkheads and layers of Kevlar
          1. 0
            24 March 2024 10: 50
            Quote: Santa Fe
            Especially with such warheads

            Several large fragments

            It makes sense to protect ammunition storage areas with anti-fragmentation bulkheads and layers of Kevlar

            Doesn't have it. The impact core won't even notice it.
            Besides, it’s already been the 21st century. The rocket will simply fly into the cellar with an accuracy of + - 1,5 meters (look at the nsm tests twelve years ago). Even if you weld a meter of armor, the godfather of the warhead will not miss thousands of tons of explosives
            1. 0
              25 March 2024 15: 36
              Even if it doesn’t hit the cellar exactly, but explodes nearby, it will cause detonation. Still, the explosives in a modern warhead missile will be greater than that of a battleship shell.
            2. 0
              April 8 2024 10: 36
              The impact core is even worse than just an inert warhead. Are you going to punch a small hole in many compartments? For what purpose?
              There is no point in welding armor now, it weighs a lot.
              But placing half a meter of Kevlar along the entire side can give results.
              1. 0
                April 8 2024 11: 01
                The warhead is moving at the speed of the UY? No.
                Penetrate with the aim of hitting ammunition (artillery, missile, mine-torpedo, aviation, etc.
            3. 0
              April 8 2024 10: 46
              I got excited about half a meter, but:
              protection of one side made of Kevlar 100m long, 5m high and 0,1m thick will weigh only 150t. Cost (in 2020 prices) - about $11 million.
              A similar steel one will cost 800 tons (albeit cheaper - $3,8 million).
              It is important to consider that 10 cm of Kevlar is comparable to 30-50 cm of steel armor.
              If UHMWPE is used instead of Kevlar, then the protection of one side will weigh even less - 100 tons.
              As a result: a Kevlar armored belt weighs 300 tons and costs ridiculous money.
              The same belt and UHMWPE will weigh 200 tons.
              For a ship with a displacement of 4500 tons or more, this cargo is quite capable of carrying.
              1. 0
                April 8 2024 10: 59
                Send your calculations to the shipbuilders. It’s better for tank builders to laugh
      2. +2
        24 March 2024 10: 39
        Quote: Santa Fe
        Frigate Perry - are there many chances of getting into a missile cellar?
        Previously, when you just got into a ship, there were few chances. Now that the warheads are multi-channel, with optics and have powerful electronics, it will be quite possible to organize a hit precisely at a vulnerable spot.
      3. 0
        24 March 2024 14: 15
        What kind of relationship you have with statistics is clear from the example of the 20 mm Oerlikon, which you mentioned in the comments to the article
        Drones can't defeat ships
        .
  5. +3
    24 March 2024 06: 19
    Humanity has already made similar conclusions before. The result was the replacement of cast iron cannonballs with loaded ammunition.
  6. +3
    24 March 2024 06: 37
    Thank you, Oleg, the article is pleasant to read and useful for the mind
  7. +6
    24 March 2024 06: 47
    To advertise the SM 6, all watertight doors on the 11" watertight bulkheads of the destroyer Reuben James were left open by the preparatory team. As a result, the SM 6's export potential skyrocketed. bully
  8. 0
    24 March 2024 07: 02
    They usually look for weaknesses in any target.
  9. +3
    24 March 2024 07: 39
    the trajectories of the projectiles did not imply such favorable angles of contact with the target - like those of the vertically falling Fritz-X.

    Fritz did not fall vertically
  10. +1
    24 March 2024 08: 26
    [quote][Wait, how is this even possible?

    What will remain of the fragile compressor blades and turbines of a turbojet engine after hitting metal bulkheads at a speed of 900 km/h?/quote]

    What will remain of the engine at Mach 2? The results can be seen at the shooting of the same Mosquitoes or BrahMos. All this will fly into the ship after the warhead, which will break through the bulkheads and both sides. And it will burn. Especially when penetrating along the body
    1. +1
      24 March 2024 08: 53
      This is an explanation about a running engine. Exoset had it as a solid fuel

      Maskits and Brahmos make up a few fractions of a percent of the world's naval weapons. And they all belong to us or our allies (neutrals)

      The disadvantage of the mosquito is its small warhead
      1. 0
        24 March 2024 09: 34
        Supersonic anti-ship missiles are in service with a dozen countries. When such a missile pierces a ship along the hull, there is no hope that it will not hit the missile magazine.
        Liquid turbojet will set the ship on fire in the same way. The fuel tank and engine fly inside the ship following the warhead
  11. -1
    24 March 2024 09: 12
    Thank you, Oleg, for the interesting article!
    The most effective thing against cardboard boxes, which are modern frigates and destroyers, is to detonate the warhead of a cruise missile weighing 227 - 340 kg at a depth of 12 - 15 m from the water surface under the keel of the ship. In this case, the hydrodynamic impact violates the integrity of the bottom set over 3 - 4 compartments, which clearly leads to the sinking of the ship.
    Therefore, a combined strike is beneficial, including a strike with a cluster warhead to disable the ship’s guidance and weapons systems, and a strike with a high-explosive warhead under the bottom of the ship to sink it.
    1. +2
      24 March 2024 10: 17
      340 kg at a depth of 12 - 15 m from the water surface under the keel of the ship.

      To do this, the warhead must be a torpedo

      What is unrealistic in practice

      If a real torpedo is delivered and dropped at a considerable distance by parachute, several miles from the ship, then such a warhead will weigh a couple of tons. We'll have to launch from Baikonur

      If you slow down and drop a torpedo by parachute near a ship, the torpedo and parachute will be riddled with sea analogues of the shell, sir. Ideal target

      If you make a detachable underwater warhead without a parachute and crash into the water at the speed of sound - in the hope that the warhead will pass exactly under the keel, this is a pure lottery scam
      1. 0
        24 March 2024 11: 59
        If you make a detachable underwater warhead without a parachute and crash into the water at the speed of sound - in the hope that the warhead will pass exactly under the keel, this is a pure lottery scam

        That's right, Oleg.
        Just don't need any of this. To deform a destroyer set, an explosion at a depth of 15 m at a distance of up to the same 15 m from the side of the ship is sufficient, although the more precise the better. So, it is enough to dive down a hill at an angle of 40 - 60 degrees and trigger the fuse when it hits the water with a corresponding deceleration. There was information that something like this was being worked out by Harpoon on decommissioned destroyers and frigates.
        And as for the force of the water hammer of a non-contact explosion of 340 kg of torpex, the experience of combat damage from Scharnhorst and Gneisenau will not let you lie. And these are not frigates.
        1. 0
          24 March 2024 13: 42
          It's easier to break through the deck and hull. Like an air bomb. Then there will be a boom under the keel
  12. +1
    24 March 2024 09: 23
    Wonderful article! Simply wonderful! Great analytics!
    I'll add a small comment:
    At this point, season 43 was completed. Tons of water poured into the damaged compartments. The crew of the Uganda lost 16 people - out of nine hundred sailors on board.

    Surely the death of 16 crew members did not even occur from an explosion, but most likely from the fact that the boiler compartment quickly filled with water, and they simply choked on it without having time to get out of this compartment.
  13. BAI
    +1
    24 March 2024 09: 32
    Well, the anti-ship missile system drowned Moscow
  14. +2
    24 March 2024 11: 17
    The Americans, unlike the naval commanders of Laos, constantly conduct exercises with the sinking of decommissioned ships (the so-called SINKEX).
    At the same time, frigates of the H. Perry type demonstrate amazing survivability, taking into account the fact that due to the lack of a crew, there is no struggle for survivability on them.
    Example, RIMPAC 2022 SINKEX, ex-USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG 60) sank
    The smaller, 4100-ton USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG 60) also did not sink as easily. In addition to being hit by laser-guided bombs and likely other weapons, it was hit by at least four anti-ship cruise missiles, two Harpoons from the Canadian frigate USS Winnipeg, one from a P-8 maritime patrol aircraft, and a French Exocet Block 2 from the Kasturi-class frigate of the Royal Malaysian Navy KD Lekir (F-26).
    These Sinkex firings were somewhat unique in that they did not require a torpedo to sink ships, as almost all previous Sinkex had done.


    Google SINKEX and you will find....
    1. +2
      24 March 2024 11: 24
      Epic SINKEX 2016, the ex-USS Thach frigate of the Oliver Hazard Perry class was also sunk
      The ex-USS Thach endured a tremendous amount of punishment, starting with a Harpoon missile fired by the South Korean submarine ROKS Lee Eokgi. Then the Australian frigate HMAS Ballarat launched another Harpoon, and the Australian SH-60S helicopter shot it with a Hellfire missile. US maritime patrol aircraft then attacked it with Harpoon and Maverick missiles.

      But ex-USS Thach wasn't done there. The cruiser USS Princeton hit it with another Harpoon missile, and a US Navy SH-60S helicopter hit it with another Hellfire. A US Navy F/A-18 Hornet dropped a 2000-pound Mk. 84, and a US Air Force B-52 bomber dropped a 500-pound GBU-12 Paveway laser-guided bomb on it.
      In the end, the ex-USS Thach was finished off by a US Navy submarine, hitting it with a Mk. 48.

      1. +2
        24 March 2024 12: 04
        In the end, the ex-USS Thach was finished off by a US Navy submarine, hitting it with a Mk. 48.

        One would be enough, or a 2000-pound bomb with a delay. Or even one Harpoon, diving on the final part of the trajectory, equipped with a deceleration fuse.
        All explosions above the waterline cause significant damage to the ship's combat effectiveness and minimal damage to its buoyancy.
  15. -1
    24 March 2024 12: 24
    the unspent supply of kinetic energy became a problem for the ammunition itself.

    Rather, the question is how to manage this energy. For example, spend it to place minefields with accompanying cassettes in compartments where large ammunition hits. Then the struggle for survivability will become very complicated - after all, now the sailor needs to be not only a firefighter but also a sapper, because in the metal rubble of the flooded compartments there will now also be mines waiting for him in a minefield laid out by a large bomb at the place of the explosion or breakdown.
  16. +1
    24 March 2024 12: 54
    It remains to be seen how the author will explain the tendency of modern torpedoes to explode not when they hit the ship directly, but when they pass under the ship.
  17. +1
    24 March 2024 12: 56
    In many ways, the author is right, but if the weapon is really high-precision and it is possible to choose the point of impact quite delicately, then the option of kinetic destruction appears, which is key for the survival of the ship’s internal target. Control room, reactor, control center, ammunition depot, etc.
    In this case, kinetic defeat has the right to life. This type of weapon has some advantages - potentially lower ESR, better aerodynamic qualities, smaller size.
    The only question is how realistic it is now to aim the weapon so accurately. Probably real, given the successful experience of kinetic interception of ballistic targets by the same missile defense system.
  18. +2
    24 March 2024 14: 03
    The world's first samples of anti-ship missiles. Massive and bulky, with an engine from a Yak-25 fighter jet.
    ...
    Even such a huge missile as the KSShch (ship-based projectile “Pike”).

    Mr. Kaptsov is of course a writer. But nevertheless, he should have been a reader a little. At least our VO, which back in November 2019 published an excellent article about Soviet anti-ship missiles “KS-1 “Comet” anti-ship missile: the first of its kind” authored by K. Ryabov (https://topwar.ru/164986- protivokorabelnaja-raketa-ks-1-kometa-pervaja-v-svoem-rode.html ).
    Then, perhaps, we would not have received the set of words of the above article.
  19. -1
    24 March 2024 17: 38
    that’s why torpedoes are more effective; they use hydraulic shock to break the ship in half (if it’s with a special warhead)
  20. +2
    24 March 2024 19: 29
    Oleg's style is original and very pleasing to the taste. You can read with rapture and without stopping. The content of the article is relevant - the discussion about means of destroying ships is in full swing.
  21. +1
    25 March 2024 09: 01
    I disagree about the first precedent. An explosion under the keel is the best a weapon can do. And it doesn't matter which one. Whether it's a rocket, a torpedo or a bomb. It is important at what depth this explosion occurs. And for each explosive weight this depth will be different. I think in the above example the weak impact was due to the large depth of the bomb before detonation.
  22. 0
    25 March 2024 13: 41
    If there are 10–15–20 waterproof compartments, a hole in the bottom is not a mortal threat.

    During a torpedo attack on a ship, the most effective is considered to be an explosion under the bottom at a distance of up to 3 meters from the bottom; torpedoes have long had a proximity fuse for this.
    The magnetic fuses were designed in such a way that they were triggered by changes in the Earth's magnetic field under the steel hull of the ship and exploded the torpedo warhead at a distance of 0,3-3 meters from its bottom. It was believed that a torpedo explosion under the bottom of a ship caused two or three times more damage than an explosion of the same power at its side.

    I remember there was a story when an American submarine, due to a defective proximity fuse, fired a dozen and a half torpedoes at the bottom of a Japanese ship, scaring the Japanese half to death, and not a single one exploded.
  23. 0
    27 March 2024 16: 58
    thanks for the article, it’s a pity that they didn’t look into the case of the lost “Moskva”