This is mythical air superiority

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This is mythical air superiority

The US may soon lose air superiority. This refrain sounds louder and louder on the other side of the ocean, and the argument becomes more and more impressive; you inevitably begin to believe that the matter is not at all about trillions for rearmament.

The US Air Force has said it must "rethink" the concept of air superiority in future wars. Here again the question arises, what should everyone else do? If the Americans are seriously worried that they will not have this very superiority, where should the rest run and how deep should they dig?



The Americans are really afraid that the Chinese Air Force will be more numerous than the American Air Force, and its air defense will be no worse than that of Russia. This indeed may well become a nightmare for the American military, but here they themselves are to blame; it was the American experts who let their imagination run wild.

Plot: The US starts a war against China. It’s vital, because the fantasy that China will attack the United States is what science fiction is.


Unlike other conflicts the U.S. Army has been involved in since the end of the Cold War, a war with China could leave Air Force aircraft outnumbered. The pace of development of China's armed forces hints at this very, very unequivocally, and conducting combat operations against a country that has an excellent military-industrial complex, and even close to its territory, is not the best situation for the Americans, who simply cannot imagine any other way of waging war except with full superiority of its aviation.

Yes, starting from the Second World War this is exactly how it is: first gaining complete air superiority, then everything else. This has been the case everywhere since the United States entered that war. Indeed, the US Army and Navy fought exclusively under the protection of their Air Force, which reigned supreme in the air.

Nowadays, the US Army somehow did not get involved in conflicts with countries capable of providing more or less decent resistance to the American Air Force. Perhaps Yugoslavia, which was destroyed by hundreds of cruise missiles, but this is rather an exception. Now, in the case of China, the US air force may find itself in a situation where it will have to use different tactics to establish air superiority, if this is possible at all.

Quite a challenge, isn't it?


After the end of World War II, the air force was the "500-pound gorilla" in any conflict, quickly gaining control of the air. But what if there is another gorilla weighing 227 pounds or even 500 pounds on the other side? The U.S. Air Force must change the way it fights to adapt to a new strategic environment in which it is not automatically the strongest air force in the fight.


Air superiority under threat?


The famous American magazine Air & Space Forces Magazine, which is practically the official mouthpiece of the Pentagon in the field of the Air Force and space military, frightened readers with the revelations of the Air Force Chief of Staff, General David W. Allwin, who told the audience that the days when military personnel enjoyed American air superiority are over. Allwin said it was "prohibitively expensive...to build enough air power to do it the way we've done it before and have air superiority for days and weeks on end."

You know, if a rank of such a high level can say this, it means that things are really going, or rather, they are flying, somewhat not where the American military would like.

The air force (of any country) defines air superiority as “that degree of air supremacy by one force that allows it to conduct its operations at a given time and place without prohibitive interference from air and missile threats.”

In general, everything can and should be divided into several stages.

Advantage in the air. This is when the Air Force can carry out any mission, but the enemy is still active and the mission may suffer losses.

Air supremacy, which is described as "that degree of control over the air such that an opposing force is unable to effectively interfere with the area of ​​operations through air and missile threats."


There is a difference, a tangible difference, like between the wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan. During the Vietnam War, the US Air Force had air superiority, facing the numerically inferior but combat-ready air and air defense of North Vietnam. The air force could fly missions anywhere, but it needed fighters to protect bombers and suppress enemy air defenses to avoid serious losses.

The war in Afghanistan, where the Taliban had no fighters or air defense systems at all (MANPADS, you understand, do not count), and where bombers such as the B-1B Lancer could carry out missions without fighters performing escort or air defense suppression, was an example of air supremacy.

Cold War Dividends


The US Air Force was the second largest air force in the world at the end of the Cold War because it was numerically inferior to the Soviet Air Force, plus our Air Force had the advantage of not having to scatter aircraft around the world. The collapse of the USSR in 1991 left the US Air Force as the most powerful air force in the world today. During the 1991 Gulf War, the 1999 NATO intervention in Yugoslavia, the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, and the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Air Force was able to assert air superiority and, in some cases, air supremacy.

The side with air superiority enjoys all sorts of advantages. Air superiority means that troops at the front don't have to constantly worry about being bombed by enemy planes. The United States Air Force is pleased to note that until recently, April 15, 1953, was the last time a U.S. combat aircraft was shot down by a manned enemy aircraft.

This means that supplies can easily flow to nearby airfields and wounded soldiers can be evacuated by air. Reconnaissance aircraft can fly missions over enemy territory and give command a comprehensive view of the battlefield, friendly ground forces can call in close air support on the front line, and bombers and attack aircraft can strike further to deplete enemy combat power at the front.

True, in the 20th century the situation changed noticeably, primarily with the appearance of Soviet/Russian air defense systems on the world stage, and in the 21st century the situation only became more complicated.

Today, the US Air Force believes that the next major war could (or will) be against China. Analysts have been hard at work for years now, developing and drawing plans for upcoming operations. The fact that the process is underway is clear from data leaking to the media, confirming a change in the concept of using the Air Force.


In general, what is leaking out little by little is surprising, because if you look carefully, some kind of World War II reigns in the minds of American planners: large-scale battles on land, at sea and in the air across East Asia and the western part of the Pacific Ocean, stretching for thousands of miles. The air force will fly from bases scattered throughout the region: Guam in the Pacific, Yokota, Kadena and Misawa in Japan, bases in Korea, the Philippines and Australia. The United States will also use bombers directly from the continental US to fight in the Western Pacific and even against targets in mainland China.

In general, it’s large-scale, but with some kind of air of frivolity. And then you instantly remember the Second World War and the Japanese blitzkrieg.


The huge front, which the Japanese frankly failed to supply, eventually collapsed. Yes, they kicked the Japanese army out of the islands for about the same amount of time as it took the Nazi comrades to drive the Nazis to Berlin, but the result was approximately the same.

And in both cases, the land war (with Germany) and the sea-island war (with Japan), aviation played a decisive role. Today, the development of air defense systems will definitely not give such an advantage to aviation as during the Second World War, and it will not be possible to sink ships the way airplanes did then. But nevertheless, aviation does not lose its importance, since it does not serve as a direct striking force, as during the years of that war, but as a means of delivering weapons to strike distance. In the first half of the 20th century, in an amicable way, the plane had one enemy - another plane. Air defense was not a serious opponent, the battle of the Prince of Wales and Repulse against Japanese aircraft, and the Yamato against American aircraft is the best confirmation of this.


Dozens (Yamato - 152 25-mm barrels + 24 127-mm barrels, Repulse - 20 114-mm barrels + 66 20-mm Oerlikons + 32 40-mm barrels) anti-aircraft artillery barrels were completely unable to protect the ships . Modern missiles and radar-guided missiles do this much better, but the aircraft are also radically different from those that sank the Repulse and Yamato.

It is obvious that with the progress of air defense systems there will be progress in aviation technology. The US military continues to replace the F-16 Fighting Falcon with the F-35 Lightning II, purchases at least 72 new F-15EX Super Eagle fighters and is at full speed (in terms of throw-ins) developing a replacement for the F-22 Raptor - the Next Generation Air Dominance fighter (NGAD).

In addition, we have already written about a simply huge contract for the purchase of at least 100, and probably about 200 new B-21 Raider bombers by the Air Force, capable of performing missions in contested airspace, that is, not only in conditions of air superiority, but also at earlier stages.

And there is another project under development: a stealth air tanker. An interesting idea, since a stealthy refueling aircraft will make it possible to supply aircraft with fuel without moving away from the contact line, thereby increasing the capabilities of its aircraft.


What about the “probable” enemy?


On the other side of the Pacific Ocean, things are very complicated. On the one hand, China is expanding its J-20 stealth fighter fleet, adding more J-10 and Su-35 strike fighters, and developing the FC-31 stealth fighter. On the other hand, China does not have enough means of exporting force to other regions (yes, aircraft carriers and UDCs) to threaten the same States. And the Chinese government, which repeatedly emphasizes its commitment to the declared principles of peace, does not take steps that allow us to doubt this. And strengthening one’s borders is not the threat that the United States is so fond of talking about today.

However, here the Americans are using old training manuals from the Cold War, when the USSR was in place of China. The picture is approximately the same: the United States built bases all over the world, and for some reason the Soviet Union threatened this world.

Today's China operates using exactly the same methods that the Soviet Union used in matters of its security in the last century, so if the Americans need to change something, it is not critical. Just refresh the old teachings.

But there is a nuance here that the Pentagon understands: China does not have such an extended territory as the USSR. And, accordingly, China's large number of bases and aircraft means that the closer to China the fighting takes place, the more aircraft the country can take into the air at any given time and move almost anywhere in the territory. Whether from northern or southern airfields, planes fly to, say, Taiwan in no more than an hour.


Therefore, within 700-800 km from the coast of China (not to mention closer borders), the US Air Force risks operating in a numerical minority. And here a situation may arise when the qualitative superiority of aircraft cannot overcome the quantitative one.

Aviation fleet The United States has more than 700 F/A-18 aircraft. About 200 more F/A-18 aircraft and one and a half hundred F-35B and C are at the disposal of the Marine Corps. This is a very decent punching fist... if you get it to your opponent. And considering that it is simply unrealistic to send all 11 US aircraft carriers into battle at once, there can be no talk of using all these aircraft at once. The maximum that the fleet and KPM can field is about 500-600 aircraft.

But the PLA Air Force will be able to send all of its 1 or so aircraft into battle. Yes, most of them will be inferior not only to the F-700, they are far from the F/A-35, to all these J-18 and J-7, but there are almost 10 of them! And they will be able to play a very important role in the emerging (albeit theoretical) confrontation between the United States and China.

In all recent conflicts, the air force and navy have routinely attacked enemy air and ground defenses in the early days of the war, crippling their combat capability. These early days are characterized by cruise missile strikes against airfields, command and control centers, as well as fighter sweeps, searching the skies for enemy fighters, and missions to jam air defense radars and surface-to-air missile launchers. Once enemy air defenses are neutralized, the Air Force will be able to attack a full range of targets.

And here the immediate question is: what if, like in the Northern Military District, the air defense forces are not neutralized on the first day? And the PLA’s are much stronger than those of the Ukrainian Armed Forces...


In such a war against such an adversary, the US Air Force would be forced to immediately attack high-value targets before gaining air superiority, because otherwise it would never achieve air superiority against China. The sheer amount of equipment available and China's ability to rebuild its defenses by producing more radars such as the H-200 PESA radar, surface-to-air missiles such as the long-range HQ-9 and fighter aircraft of all types means that the country will always be a formidable adversary in the air.

In such situations, the US Air Force will either have to accept losses in order to do its job, or there will be no talk of victory at all. The US Air Force may be able to temporarily gain the upper hand, especially initially, by exploiting the effect of surprise, but the transfer of Chinese resources from one part of the vast country to another could tip the scales in its favor.

The conclusion is this: no matter how American military experts reshape tactics and strategies, the US air force cannot achieve superiority over China. This is not easy in peacetime; it will be almost impossible in wartime. The idea of ​​air supremacy should be completely removed from the concept of using the Air Force until the time when the United States can actually field one American aircraft against one Chinese aircraft, which is superior to the opponent in all respects.

Too many planes, too many radars, too many missiles - these three components of Chinese power in the air, coupled with a network of airfields throughout the country and a huge number of ground personnel, will easily negate all the American efforts to gain air superiority.

No matter how wonderful the F-35 is, five J-10s simply won’t give it a chance of survival. No matter how excellent training American pilots have, 10 missiles fired in one salvo are 10 missiles.


But in fact, what the Americans are up to is not stupid. On the contrary, and they are great in this regard - they have created a new enemy for themselves, against which they can again spend huge sums of money. Everything is like in the good old days of the last century, when there was an “evil empire” - the Soviet Union. Now it has been replaced by China, which we also need to fight and be prepared for war. And today the United States is losing air to China in a hypothetical duel off the coast of China. China itself is very doubtful that it will go to war in America.

The concept of further development of the US Air Force received the main thing (what modern Russia lacks so much) - an enemy, in the name of fighting against which it is necessary to develop its army and navy. Therefore, there is absolutely no doubt that in the future the United States will have new aircraft carriers, UDCs, destroyers, airplanes and helicopters.

The main thing is that there is a vector for applying effort. Everything else is a fiction, as, in principle, is the much-needed conquest of air supremacy. It is much more important to gain superiority in the budget, the rest is still secondary.
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  1. -4
    22 March 2024 05: 09
    Everything is like in the good old days of the last century, when there was an “evil empire” - the Soviet Union.

    It’s not a bad “Evil Empire” that helped half the world for free and forgave a bunch of countries their debts...
    ____________________________________
    Well, rotten "West", keep our answer -
    Putin called you the "Empire of Lies"...
    "Union" you called the "Evil Empire",
    But even then you frankly lied to us ...
    Well, if someone should be called that,
    That is you and your mongrel NATO!!!
    1. -1
      23 March 2024 09: 47
      The article is complete nonsense and nothing threatens American air supremacy. In a modern air war, the stronger person is not the one who has more fighters or bombers, but the one who has built a competent, numerous and well-coordinated air force system, in which there are not only fighters with low RCS and excellent radars, but also AWACS aircraft, tankers, RTR aircraft and electronic warfare as well as numerous satellite reconnaissance and communications systems. And in such a system, one F-35 can easily be stronger than five Chinese fighters.
      The example of the same Yugoslavia is indicative, when the Yugoslav MiG-29s fell and did not even understand where the missiles were coming from, although they were shot down by F-15s that were essentially equal to them, but which did not even turn on the radars, because they were guided by AWACS aircraft.
      1. +6
        25 March 2024 15: 40
        The example of Yugoslavia is indicative, when Yugoslav MiG-29s fell and they didn’t even understand where the missiles were coming from,
        The example of Yugoslavia is completely unsuitable here. Relatively small Yugoslavia was surrounded on all sides by NATO and their accomplices, and was shot through without entering its airspace. If the confrontation between China and the United States takes place in the Taiwan area (well, where else) then the Chinese air force will have all of mainland China with all its distances, airfields and powerful air defense behind it. Approaching f35 to the coastline of mainland China, even with all their invisibility and invulnerability, is complete suicide. At the same time, there won’t be any AWACS aircraft nearby, because for AWACS even being over Taiwanese territory is already extremely dangerous. And closer to the mainland, the same form of suicide.
      2. +1
        29 March 2024 14: 26
        Here we are talking about the fact that there will be no “weekly flights” of a teaspoon at all. If it doesn’t resolve itself in a couple of days, hello to everything in a completely different (well-known) way.
        And in view of the huge squadrons on both sides, the aircraft carriers will have to be sunk entirely and immediately on the very first day. With all the consequences (known).
        That is, yes, the era of air solutions to the issue is bye bye. Because there's no point in starting.
    2. +1
      23 March 2024 10: 07
      which reigned supreme in the air.

      Kozhedub had the opportunity to object
  2. +1
    22 March 2024 05: 24
    Abstract submitted and accepted.
    Can someone turn the Mississippi into Hudson Bay?
    Will someone help Mexico get California and Texas back?
    1. +6
      22 March 2024 05: 35
      Quote: antivirus
      Will someone help Mexico get California and Texas back?
      History is an unpredictable thing. The French regained Alsace, the Azerbaijanis regained Karabakh, and the Jews, after a couple of thousand years, revived Israel. With such dynamics, I do not rule out the revival of Assyria or Sumer in the future wink
      1. -11
        22 March 2024 06: 35
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        . With such dynamics, I do not rule out the revival of Assyria or Sumer in the future

        And the Russian Empire with Russian America (Alaska, archipelagos and the ENTIRE western coast to Mexico) ?? belay With Poland, Finland and all of Scandinavia (so as not to go twice)?? fellow feel
        We will restore the GDR. feel Let's return to her all the German lands that Stalin gave to Poland. feel
        We will restore Yugoslavia... as a Federal Republic... feel
        And Alsace...maybe we'll leave it to France. request Or we’ll glaze it all together with Lorraine. Yes If he continues to crow like this. No.
        We are KIND. smile
        And the fists of our Good are... heavy. angry
        And we’ll send the Sumerians to Canada, let them drop the lard there and sing “nightingale’s”... Muuuova.

        ... US War in the Pacific bully it's so exciting.

        By the way, on the topic of the article... the entire balance described can be changed by India, which has practically already made its choice. And there is no need to interfere with it (India) - let it fight.
        1. +19
          22 March 2024 09: 02
          To the pointless reflections in the article of an amateur schoolboy, did you decide to add the patriotic epic of a dreamer? Roman, you are ripe for broadcasts on the Zvezda channel. I would even give you the title “honorary political informant”!
          It is difficult to find words after reading this nonsense also in the “weapons” section. A waste of time....
          1. +5
            22 March 2024 09: 45
            Quote: Vitov
            have you decided to add a patriotic epic by a dreamer?

            This is sarcasm in furtherance of the previous comment.
            You won’t find serious military analytics today, especially in VO articles; all that remains is banter. Especially after a sleepless night.
        2. +3
          22 March 2024 10: 31
          Quote: bayard
          the entire balance described can be changed by India, which has practically already made its choice.

          1. The Chinese have never had any illusions about choosing India.
          2. There has not been and is not any balance between China and the United States, nor will there be one in the near future.
          But there is a nuance here that the Pentagon understands: China does not have such an extended territory as the USSR. And, accordingly, the large number of bases and aircraft in China means that the closer to China the fighting takes place, the more aircraft the country can take into the air at any given time and move to almost any point in the territory

          This crowding is China's weakness. Covering the entire military infrastructure of the USSR, even in theory, was unfeasible. This matter is easier with China...
          The idea of ​​air supremacy should be completely removed from the concept of using the Air Force until the time when the United States can actually field one American aircraft against one Chinese aircraft, which is superior to the opponent in all respects.

          Isn’t it too trivial to reduce everything to ordinary arithmetic? What is the difference between F16 and F35?
          1. +2
            22 March 2024 11: 45
            Quote: Doccor18
            1. The Chinese have never had any illusions about choosing India.

            India is now ready to do a lot for the right to become the “factory of the world” instead of China. And investments have already gone there. It is quite clear to what extent India will be ready to fight the Chinians, but some forces will definitely be drawn upon themselves. And they will gladly interfere with Chinese trade across the Indian Ocean by reinforcing the US Navy with their ships.
            And this all seriously changes the balance of power. So it is not surprising that the United States threw its NATO allies, even France, through the cracks in this venture, leaving only England, but all of them taken together will be completely outweighed by India. For regional confrontation with China.
            Quote: Doccor18
            2. There has not been and is not any balance between China and the United States, nor will there be one in the near future.

            This is true, but the Chinese are trying. They do not have “some” 7-10 years to balance in case of confrontation in Southeast Asia. But the US won't give them even a high five. Of course, they themselves are not ready either, but if they gather all the allies in the region, deploy additional bases (already agreed) and speed up their own preparations, then they can begin a phased escalation as early as next year. This will not be a war in the full sense of the word, but a combination of economic sanctions, the closure of sales markets and the suppression/violation of freedom of navigation in the Malacca Straits region. They will find a reason (they are already looking hard - in Taiwan) and organize a naval blockade. And then how it goes. They will provoke clashes at sea, support the claims of the island limitrophes to the islands washed up by the Chinese for bases in the region and... will begin to bite off one such base from the outer contour, gradually squeezing the Chinese out of the South China Sea. . . But even if attacks on the continental part are decided, no one in the United States will send planes there. Only missile defense until air defense is completely suppressed.
            Although before this and under this scenario, it is also unlikely that it will work out, because China, squeezed under a blockade, can simply hit the United States with its strategic nuclear forces with all the fury of China. Therefore, they will most likely carry out mischief remotely and not in mainland China.
            Quote: Doccor18
            This crowding is China's weakness.

            And that is why China is trying to maximally expand its military presence in the South China Sea on alluvial islands, building a fleet at a Stakhanov pace and developing missile technology. And China needs Russia today more than ever. Moreover, Russia is strong (which he did not want before). The fact is that if it comes to making a decision on a nuclear exchange with China, the United States will disarm before Russia... But Russia can take advantage. And this will be a strong deterrent for the United States from using nuclear weapons against China.
            1. +3
              22 March 2024 12: 40
              Quote: bayard
              How ready India will be to fight the Chinians is quite clear, but some forces will definitely draw upon themselves

              India can give a lot for the title of “new industrial center”, and even more so, several million people of lower castes will not become something absolutely impossible...
              Quote: bayard
              And they will gladly interfere with Chinese trade across the Indian Ocean by reinforcing the US Navy with their ships.

              If it starts in earnest, it is unlikely that the Chinese fleet will operate in the Indian Ocean; all exits from the South China Sea will be plugged...
              Quote: bayard
              They do not have “some” 7-10 years to balance in case of confrontation in Southeast Asia.

              If the USA continues to degrade all this time - yes, if not, then...
              Quote: bayard
              because China, squeezed under a blockade, can simply hit the United States with its strategic nuclear forces with all the fury of China

              If you have enough determination...
              But there will be no blockade of China as long as there is a Russia that is friendly to it. This means that democrats need to make Russia hostile to its eastern neighbor, or, by reviving the European military-industrial complex, get involved in a conflict with both countries at the same time (which is somehow hard to believe)... Therefore, the more likely scenario, proven over the centuries, is a change of power under any sauce , by any methods, because it is cheap, practical and has a minimum of risks.
              hi
            2. +1
              22 March 2024 16: 17
              India is now ready to do a lot for the right to become the “factory of the world” instead of China. And investments have already gone there.


              Over the past 3 months, China's industrial capacity has grown by an amount equal to India's combined industrial capacity. China, in 3 months, went from a country with as much industrial capacity as "the USA, Japan and Germany combined" to a country with "the USA, Japan, Germany and India".

              To be fair, this could also be due to the decline in industrial capacity of the US, Japan or Germany, but in any case it highlights the relatively small size of India's industrial power compared to China, which is almost akin to a margin of error. This should give pause to anyone who believes that India could become the "next China"...
              1. +1
                22 March 2024 22: 17
                Quote from: wanna
                This should give pause to anyone who believes that India could become the "next China"...

                Of course, India is very far from China in industrial development, but this does not prevent India from striving to win over the production of transnational corporations, incl. leaving China. There is plenty of young labor there, it is cheap, and if we organize personnel training for incoming industries, in 10 years we may not even recognize India. But of course no one will give her high technology.
                In the matter of creating an anti-Chinese coalition, I rely on India based on the purity of its army, the size of its air force, its not-so-small fleet and its common border with China (even if it is in a mountainous area). In combination with the military potentials of Japan, South Korea, Australia and possibly some countries in Oceania. This is a calculation between the USA and England. The Anglo-Saxons, as always, are enthusiastically engaged in creating a coalition against their new enemy. And they are in a hurry. Their own unpreparedness cannot be considered a sufficient condition for delaying the onset of escalation. They cannot allow China to build a full-fledged and combat-ready Navy and increase the number of nuclear weapons on strategic carriers to the number of 1000 units declared by China. by 2030... Moreover, they know that China has accelerated its work in this direction.

                And India was lured into the coalition precisely because they promised to make them the new “world factory”. India most likely simply will not have time to become the next China, but the prospect of such a rise has blinded the Indian elite... And this, of course, is not to China’s benefit.
                1. 0
                  29 March 2024 20: 48
                  It will only take ten years for India to reach the level of China. And then only with free polymers from one northern neighbor.
                  And caste game, automatically, nullifies all progress in a big way. And the local Brahmas didn’t give a damn about anything else.
                  India has no chance with this poor billion-dollar trailer and on the territory in the middle of Europe
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        3. +1
          22 March 2024 13: 28
          Will Moscow be Vladimir's tributary? And that one - a barn?
          You can play with alternatives.
          Will the Aztecs raise their banner over Cordoba?
          And then hahaha
        4. 0
          22 March 2024 14: 57
          Heh! Wonderful idea:
          --And the Russian Empire with Russian America (Alaska, archipelagos and the ENTIRE western coast to Mexico)?? belay With Poland, Finland and all of Scandinavia (so as not to go twice)?? fellow feel
          We will restore the GDR. feel Let's return to her all the German lands that Stalin gave to Poland. feel
          We will restore Yugoslavia... as a Federal Republic... feel
          And Alsace...maybe we'll leave it to France. request Or we’ll glaze it all together with Lorraine. yes If it continues to crow like this. no
          We are KIND. smile
          And the fists of our Good are... heavy. angry
          And we’ll send the Sumerians to Canada, let them drop the lard there and sing “nightingale’s”... Muuuova! ---

          However, you forgot to first increase the birth rate in Russia so that there are enough soldiers for the Great Plans, so in...100 - 150...maybe.
          1. 0
            22 March 2024 19: 42
            Quote: ankir13
            However, you forgot to first increase the birth rate in Russia so that there are enough soldiers for the Great Plans, so in...100 - 150...maybe.

            Do you really think that fertility in the modern world is a big problem?! Although, judging by your "presumably" you are from the 17th century, maybe the first half of the 19th century?!
            1. -1
              23 March 2024 13: 17
              It’s good that you still understand the Old Russian language. In all centuries, it was not enough for the territory (land) to be glazed with nuclear weapons, or just to have it, it still needs to be developed, mastered and, most importantly, retained by populating it, which requires a growing, and not a fading population of like-minded people.
              1. +2
                23 March 2024 13: 50
                Quote: ankir13
                maintain population, which requires a growing rather than a declining population

                The demographic problem is purely applied in nature. If we discard the moral and ethical aspect! You can reduce the population of neighboring countries, you can, by carrying out the necessary research, make the residence of a non-autochthonous population deadly, just as Africa was once a cemetery for Europeans, before the invention of the malaria vaccine! It is possible to solve the problem with the birth rate using technological methods. The only problem that must be solved is education and the idea that unites the people! Otherwise, no matter how much population growth increases, people will simply run away from the country, and not stay in it for its development!
          2. 0
            22 March 2024 22: 39
            Quote: ankir13
            Heh! Wonderful idea:

            It was just banter. Not without goal setting.
            Quote: ankir13
            However, you forgot to first increase the birth rate in Russia so that there are enough soldiers for the Great Plans

            For the glazing of European landscapes, the number of “soldiers” is not the same as the number of corresponding nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles. And of the latter, as I hope you understand, Russia has quite enough.
            Quote: ankir13
            years from now...100 - 150

            If you are talking about birth rates, then with the right approach and government policy, the size of the Russian population alone can be doubled in 25-30 years. It’s just that for the last 30 years, the task of the Russian authorities has been precisely to reduce the population. If now the goal setting in this regard has really changed, then the birth rate will increase significantly, and there will be someone to develop the economy, and there will be someone to serve in the Army.
            Quote: ankir13
            maybe.

            But for those from whom it's likely... it's a real disaster. And even in the third year there was no realization that they were simply being turned through like meat in a meat grinder. Until the last aborigine. According to the plans of the owners of your carriers, no more than 5 million should remain on this landscape. And the desired goal is already so close...
            But Russia simply has no choice - only eliminating the threat on its PRITUAL lands. You chose the wrong side... "Maybe".
            And they just became a Battlefield.
        5. +2
          22 March 2024 23: 27
          “We will restore the GDR. We will return to it all the German lands that Stalin gave to Poland.” So you want to give the Kaliningrad region back too? Let me ask, what kind of mushrooms do you eat?
          1. 0
            22 March 2024 23: 34
            Quote: Navigator
            “We will restore the GDR. We will return to it all the German lands that Stalin gave to Poland.” So you want to give the Kaliningrad region back too?

            Did Stalin give the Kaliningrad region to Poland?
          2. -2
            23 March 2024 04: 10
            Quote: Navigator
            So you want to give the Kaliningrad region back too?

            What else was missing?
            We don't give away ours. And from Poland we will cut the Baltic coast with its port and shipyards to Kaliningrad. And not only this . Poland needs another partition. We will give the lands donated by Stalin to Poland to the GDR. We will return a little for ourselves and for Belarus. Remember how Stalin responded to Churchill in 1945 to his words:
            - But Lvov has never been a Russian city (this is of course a lie).
            - And Warsaw WAS.
            Quote: Navigator
            What kind of mushrooms do you eat?

            Your navigator is out of order. You have already been answered to your stupidity with the correct question:
            Quote: DenVB
            Did Stalin give the Kaliningrad region to Poland?
        6. +2
          23 March 2024 02: 26
          Those who dream of Alaska must first be taken to explore Chukotka, otherwise they will not move voluntarily
          1. 0
            23 March 2024 03: 56
            Quote: Letterhead
            Those who dream of Alaska must first be taken to explore Chukotka, otherwise they will not move voluntarily

            Abramovich was already taken there - by the governor. By the way, he moved a little there.
  3. +8
    22 March 2024 05: 43
    Something about the last American plane shot down in 1953 is a strong exaggeration.
    I know for sure that the future Vietnamese cosmonaut Pham Tuan shot down a B1972 in 52 following a tip from a ground-based air defense radar.
    Although the Americans deny this.
    1. +2
      22 March 2024 06: 48
      Vietnamese aces don't count laughing
      And it seems like there was an episode in Iraq in 1991, where a MIG25 seems to have been shot down by an F18, but this is not certain.
    2. +1
      22 March 2024 21: 50
      In Vietnam, the United States officially admitted the loss of about 3700 aircraft, of which 600 Phantoms (fighters) were lost in battle. It is simply impossible to assume that 500 North Vietnamese aircraft did not take part in this bloody harvest.
      There was either a typo in the article, or two dates were replaced in the author’s head. The Korean War ended in 1953, and in 1973 the United States actually left Vietnam, i.e. in fact, they never met the enemy in air battles anymore.
      If our author made a mistake, then God bless him, this is not our history, this is not confusing 1917 with 1945, I’m not really obliged to know. And if the error is in the original source, the author there, then it’s even interesting where it comes from, at what level the style of thinking ala “ancient Ukrainians” begins to appear there.
    3. 0
      23 March 2024 22: 42
      I know for sure that the future Vietnamese cosmonaut Pham Tuan shot down a B1972 in 52 following a tip from a ground-based air defense radar.

      The camera of his Mig-21 did not record the moment the missiles hit the B-52; the missiles hit is known only from his words.
      Although the Americans deny this.

      The Americans claim that the B-52 was shot down by a ground-based air defense system.
      1. 0
        24 March 2024 05: 09
        Your word (USA) against mine (Vietnam) - total 1:1.
        Read comments from other users and play with them.
        1. 0
          24 March 2024 23: 21
          I just have a Vietnamese word

          Sau khi bắn, Phạm Tuân giảm tốc, kéo máy bay lên cao và lật ngửa máy bay để thoát ly thì nhìn thấy chiếc B-52 nổ, sau đó máy bay bay lao vượt qua phía trên điểm nổ. Tuy nhiên do động tác kéo cao-thoát ly cấp tốc này nên máy ảnh phía mũi chiếc MiG-21 đã không thể chụp lại khoảnh khắc đó làm tư liệu.

          Một số nguồn tài liệu Hoa Kỳ cho rằng tên lửa của ông đã bắn trượt, chiếc B-52 đã trúng tên lửa SAM-2 rồi nổ trên không trung, khiến Phạm Tuân nghĩ rằng tên lửa của ông đã phá hủy mục tiêu.

          After the shooting, Pham Tuan slowed down, pulled the plane up and turned it upside down to escape. He saw a B-52 explode and the plane then fly over the scene of the explosion. However, due to this rapid rise, the MiG-21's nose camera was unable to capture this moment for documentation.

          Some US sources claim that his missile missed, the B-52 was shot down by an SAM-2 missile and exploded in mid-air, leading Pham Thuan to think his missile had destroyed the target.

          hi
  4. +8
    22 March 2024 06: 07
    To hell with America. I have one small question. Why did our leadership want to win in Ukraine?
    How could this be done without suppressing air defense and disrupting logistics?

    Let's hypothetically consider a different situation. If the United States attacked Ukraine, how would it act? Just like Russia? Without achieving suppression of air defense and air supremacy, would they send the ground army into the crucible? Would they allow Russia to massively supply Ukraine with weapons and Russian AWACS aircraft to hover over the Black Sea to correct attacks on the American military? And finally, would they hit the bridges?
    1. +7
      22 March 2024 06: 23
      Quote: Stas157
      Why did our leadership want to win in Ukraine?
      They probably planned to change the government in Ukraine to a more loyal one with one saber attack. But it didn't work out. I am convinced that no one intended to fight for so long, and even using strategic aviation and Daggers
      1. +8
        22 March 2024 06: 30
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        They probably planned to change the government in Ukraine to a more loyal one with one saber attack. But didn't work out.

        And obviously there wasn't even a plan B. When it didn't work out.
      2. +10
        22 March 2024 07: 41
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Quote: Stas157
        Why did our leadership want to win in Ukraine?
        They probably planned to change the government in Ukraine to a more loyal one with one saber attack. But it didn't work out. I am convinced that no one intended to fight for so long, and even using strategic aviation and Daggers

        Our leadership loves to invent little worlds for themselves, and then think that this fictional world is the real one. That's the trouble
      3. +1
        22 March 2024 10: 27
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        planned to change the government in Ukraine to a more loyal one with one saber swoop

        Yes, it seems they didn’t plan it, because immediately after the start of the Northern Military District they said that Zelya was the elected president and began negotiations with him. In 1940, a new Finnish government was immediately appointed in Moscow, and here only Medvedchuk was sitting in prison, who apparently had to find the rest of the ministers in other cells.
        There was obviously a plan, but it was extremely idiotic
    2. -4
      22 March 2024 06: 52
      Quote: Stas157
      Why did our leadership want to win in Ukraine?

      Due to agreements. With which we were... deceived. request
      They threw it. recourse
      Remember how Molotov said to Roosevelt at the end of 1941: “In order to start fighting and winning, a Russian person must first get really angry.” . .
      Well, or Nikulin’s joke about the arsonist. .?
      Here... we're saving... angry getting a little angry...
      But “we haven’t started yet.”
      Or just recently Khazin told an anecdote about the master, the manager and the bridge. I'll give you the ending:
      - So why didn’t you build a bridge in half a year, but when you got it in fashion, the next day the bridge is standing!!?
      - There was no CLEAR INSTRUCTION, sir.

      Our “boyars” have not yet been beaten... but they are already WAITING FOR INSTRUCTIONS.
      And in some places they even begin to perform.
      1. +7
        22 March 2024 07: 05
        Quote: bayard
        Our boyars have not been beaten yet... but are already WAITING FOR INSTRUCTIONS.
        And in some places they even begin to perform.

        I'm afraid it's not about the boyars feel
    3. +7
      22 March 2024 07: 00
      My acquaintances from the Baltic states told me that the entire North Military District is being built on the basis that the KUM will solve everything, we are helping it, Kharkov definitely should have been taken without a fight, because the boys promised.
      I argued that a military operation cannot be based on the fact that someone promised to solve everything! fool The army necessarily builds its plans based on the enemy’s capabilities, and if the KUM decides everything, then great, if not, then the army will decide everything itself! soldier
      It turned out that I was wrong, my friends from the Baltic states were right! The bet was really on KUMA and the army did not have a plan B! feel for a blitzkrieg, apparently, it was necessary to have a group of 2022+ thousand bayonets in the Northern Military District zone in March 600, and not at the end of 2023 already having a front of thousands of kilometers and a fully mobilized enemy with foreign supplies!
      1. -2
        22 March 2024 07: 58
        The bet was really on KUMA and the army did not have a plan B! feel for a blitzkrieg, apparently it was necessary to have a group of 2022+ thousand bayonets in the Northern Military District zone in March 600

        Theoretically, the blitzkrieg, in any case, the initial phase of the operation should have been crowned with success. The only combat-ready group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is stuck in battles with the troops of the DPR and LPR. The paratroopers captured the Gostomel airfield, where, say, 2 airborne divisions on the Il-76 were supposed to be transferred in a short time. Two divisions could establish control over Kiev before the main forces arrived. But the Americans intervened - at their insistence, a day or even a few hours before the missile attack, aircraft and air defense batteries were redeployed and the missile strike did not achieve the desired result. Because Since the enemy's aviation and air defense were not suppressed, it was undesirable to use combat aircraft to support the landing force and cargo planes to transport troops due to heavy losses. The only helicopters provided fire support during the landing. The enemy had 1-2 special forces brigades and a couple of artillery brigades. Special forces, together with the police, suppressed the landing, and artillery and sappers destroyed the bridges. The troops were stuck on the roads, bridges were destroyed, and enemy artillery played a big role. Moreover, logistics were not properly organized and equipment was even abandoned due to lack of fuel. The city of three million began to prepare for defense and further continuation of the operation to capture Kyiv became pointless.
        This is how American analysts influenced the course of the SVO.
        1. +5
          22 March 2024 08: 32
          As far as I know, our tanks broke through in the evening before the landing in Gostomil. In fact, the first echelon of our troops for the most part coped with their tasks. The only and extremely important failure was Kharkov, it clearly should have been busy in the first days, why they couldn’t, the question is! The problem of our army, apparently, was that the first echelon of troops turned out to be the only one! Everyone, including Western analysts, was waiting for the “Siberian” divisions in the second echelon, and I was waiting for the second echelon to finish the job, but it didn’t turn out! request
          And in Kharkov, the initiative of the command was constrained, it was obvious, the reason was most likely in restrictions on the use of force and fear of losses, because in the north, as it turned out, there were also conscripts.
          In short, by and large, it is not the United States that is to blame for the failure of the blitzkrieg, but the indecisiveness of our leadership, in any case, to resolve the issue precisely with the help of the blitzkrieg!
        2. +1
          23 March 2024 22: 52
          The paratroopers captured the Gostomel airfield, where, say, 2 airborne divisions on the Il-76 were supposed to be transferred in a short time.

          You should not multiply entities beyond what is necessary. There was no need for American help.
          The paratroopers captured the runway, but this was not enough to land the VTA - there were plenty of groups around with MANPADS and MZA - for the VTA this is suicide.
          And when the ground forces approached, it was already too late - the effect of surprise was lost, the defense of Kyiv was sufficiently built, communications in the rear were cut by mobile groups with ATGMs and grenade launchers, logistics were disrupted. And only then more serious air defense was brought up.
      2. +2
        22 March 2024 08: 03
        Quote: Eroma
        The bet was really on KUMA and the army did not have a plan B!

        This is exactly what happened and responsibility is not removed from those who made such decisions. Only we have them that are irreplaceable, so they have to fix everything. Alas, these are the realities. Crooked, with inertia and stupidity (especially in the first half of the year), with blood and shame of defeat, when they realized what would happen to them if they lost... but they began to correct it... War teaches quickly, even to such stubborn geniuses.
        The Anglo-Saxons were counting on a social explosion and a “patriotic Maidan”. And the People volunteered and collected humanitarian aid stolen by the quartermasters and the Home Front Service of the Army. If it weren’t for the mature “Civil Society”, xReN we would have held the front in the fall of 2022 with an exhausted handful of troops against a mobilized and armed NATO enemy.
        Now a lot has changed.
        In the Second World War, before May 9, 1945, there were also devastating years of 1941 and 1942. But when you are already in war, there can be only one goal and task - to win.
        We'll give you ratings later.
        1. +2
          22 March 2024 08: 44
          Strangely enough, the West does not change its rate!
          Russian society has not yet fully tasted all the delights of mobilizing society and the economy for the sake of victory. We are fighting economically while in a relaxed state, using the savings of previous years. But these resources are not endless and I think they will last us for about a couple more years, during which time the issue with 404 must be closed, otherwise the authorities will have to strain the population, and then the social tension that they dream of in the West may appear.
          This year, in theory, should be a turning point; next year the war should end. Either by our victory, i.e. This year we break the back of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and destroy the front, and next year we will simply clear the territory, or Putin will actively look for a way to make peace, or we are waiting for the tightening of domestic policy in order to maintain the situation in the country in connection with prolongation of the war belay
          1. +2
            22 March 2024 09: 23
            Quote: Eroma
            This year, in theory, should be a turning point; next year the war should end. Or by our victory, i.e. This year we break the back of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and destroy the front, and next year we simply clear the territory

            So I hope it will be. That is why there is hysteria in NATO, and attempts through reluctance to bring NATO troops (or individual countries) into the country.
            Quote: Eroma
            or Putin will actively look for a way to make peace

            This is unlikely to happen, because peace will simply not be given to us. But they will incline to some kind of “truce” for their own regrouping and mobilization activities.
            Quote: Eroma
            We are waiting for the tightening of domestic policy in order to maintain the situation in the country due to the prolongation of the war

            This is already happening. The leaders of some diasporas have been closed, migrants who have broken the law are being arrested, detained and deported, criminals who have arrived in large numbers are being deprived of their citizenship, and new norms and rules for hiring external labor are being introduced. And now they are going to settle them compactly - separately from normal citizens. Some regions, on their own initiative, refuse to accept such guest workers (any kind) AT ALL. Processes have begun to review the results of the illegal privatization of strategic enterprises... and in our country almost all cases of privatization are in violation of the laws... there is a precedent, however. But so far this applies only to strategic enterprises with external/offshore management and some assets of disloyal businesses. Direct investments went into the Economy, bypassing the Central Bank, enterprises gained access to loans at an unprecedented 5% per annum... And economic growth is still visible, and not only due to military orders. And there are funds for these investments. I won’t list where it came from, but this is a very serious investment resource. And it will last for more than “two years”. In addition, it will probably increase. There would be enough capacity and internal potential to develop (in the correct sense of the word) such investments.
            And the year will be difficult.
            1. +1
              22 March 2024 13: 01
              Let's wait and see how it turns out Yes
              If we do not take into account that the war is a tragedy, then the SVO had a positive impact on society and the authorities. The authorities have finally taken up issues that needed to be resolved long ago, they remembered that they could not forget, and the vertical and horizontal are forced to be puzzled by their effectiveness bully and the people realized that we are not part of the world, but the Russians understand!!! fellow
              As for guest workers, the question is not clear-cut. We have an archaic economy, based not on high technology, but on human labor! And if there are no people, then there will be no economic growth. The argument that the Russians will do all the work themselves will not be vaintaristic. In addition, based on the problems that we must solve and the technological base for solving these problems, the population of Russia is stupidly small!
              The authorities, unfortunately, even today are not puzzled by the question of the development of society; they have money and geopolitics in their heads, which is also mainly tied to money!
              1. +1
                23 March 2024 06: 49
                Quote: Eroma
                If we do not take into account that the war is a tragedy, then the SVO had a positive impact on society and the authorities.

                I am writing this again and again - War HEALS Russia.
                Even through “I don’t want.”
                Even through “I can’t”.
                Quote: Eroma
                As for guest workers, the question is not clear-cut. We have an archaic economy, based not on high technology, but on human labor!

                Yes, it’s different for us. A lot of people, and young people at that, are simply engaged in some kind of stupidity... neither the Country nor the Society needs stupidity... But the war will force it - and not only military, but also labor mobilization will come. In war, you learn quickly, and some baristo or fitness trainer will become a milling machine operator or a CNC machine operator, or a mechanic who assembles something useful. The homeland will order - you won’t get so excited. And you will be surprised how many talented or simply capable people we have in productive industries. Especially if the barista doesn’t want to go to the front. The machine is waiting for you - barista.
                And as for “sweeping the streets” and laying tiles, then the same Koreans of the North are much more talented, disciplined and problem-free than the Wahhabis, organized in an organized manner by MI6 agents in Mother Russia.
                Here... yesterday there was a loud terrorist attack, the beginning of which I had been waiting for the last two weeks. And this is not the beginning. It has not yet been officially said who the attackers were, but according to some evidence, they were bearded Wahhabis...
                And how do you think the authorities will behave now?
                Will they continue to build mosques?
                Should we teach Russian people tolerance?
                In the courts, should they be given a suspended sentence or a small fine for the murder of a SVO participant?
                Or will arrests and deprivation of citizenship and residence permits begin? Deportation of these millions of little animals who didn’t come here to work at all?
                If the information is that these are Wahhabis from MI6 (and ISIS has already taken responsibility), then... the authorities will have to change their attitude towards guest workers, and towards fraternities, and towards construction companies of ethno-criminal groups. It’s bad that this happens during the Northern Military District, well, for the sake of disrupting our offensive and to force the towers to sign a truce on vile terms. All for the sake of this.
                They need 2 years to rebuild the EU economies on a war footing and mobilize armies and society. And the regrouping and restoration of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And fight Russia again.
                1. +2
                  23 March 2024 11: 45
                  Quote: bayard
                  A lot of people, and young people at that, are simply engaged in some kind of stupidity... neither the Country nor the Society needs stupidity... But the war will force it - and not only military, but also labor mobilization will come. In war, you learn quickly, and some baristo or fitness trainer will become a milling machine operator or a CNC machine operator, or a mechanic who assembles something useful.

                  This is where I disagree with you No.
                  This category of people who make our lives comfortable. A person after work should have the opportunity to rest. Moreover, I can tell you this: “most people, in principle, go to work, not in order to work! They go to work in order to receive a salary!” And they need a salary just to have a pleasant time with friends and family, to buy something useful for themselves, to realize their dreams. fellow
                  The government’s task is not to force everyone behind the machines and demand from everyone a result useful for the state, the government’s task is to make comfort available to everyone! drinks
                  A fitness trainer is a very useful profession, since people go to them to tighten their body and thereby avoid health problems (problems with the spine, excess weight, joints), without a trainer they will not be able to achieve results, sports should be available to everyone, because the modern way of life cripples the body!
                  Barista makes your morning or evening, for example with your beloved woman, pleasant. What are you working for? So that some high official could make proud speeches from TV about how we are the first!? belay
                  Society must allow a person to reveal his potential, and this can only be achieved by freely choosing what to do, because a person achieves maximum results precisely in the area to which he has an inclination, where he is interested and when he is burning with an idea!
                  The state must attract talent to those areas that are important to it and then we will be the first to drink cappuccino made by baristas good
                  1. 0
                    24 March 2024 00: 24
                    Well, I won’t object to the fact that baristos and fitness trainers make life brighter and more pleasant, this is a collective image. The same can be said about food delivery workers and other background professions. But there is one big BUT - our country is at war, and we were reminded of this very loudly yesterday. Including the fact that the Wahhabis brought into the country will also have to be abandoned. They don’t work on construction sites, but come here in auls and live on benefits and income from illegal or criminal businesses. Yesterday we saw how dangerous this is, and how deadly it is. And if in a warring country there are not enough workers at defense enterprises, then labor mobilization is one of the ways to solve this issue. If it is not possible to staff the staff with regular recruitment. If you don’t want to go to fight for the interests of the country, according to the mobilization agenda you go to the labor front where the Motherland orders. The military thunderstorm passed - demobilization and home - to the bar or to the bicycle/scooter with a backpack - to carry food. But we also need to build new factories, roads, mining and processing plants, and other important facilities. For this purpose there are prisoners of war and special settlers of disloyal population from new territories. Any problem should be treated as a resource and new opportunities, and not as a problem over which to lament and tear your hair out. We have 10 years of stubborn struggle ahead for survival and a place in this world. These are the laws of time. And against the Time of Law... any cunning is not strong.
                    And after the Victory, it will be possible to live again for pleasure, enjoying life and drinking coffee from the baristo.
                    The whole world is now rebuilding into war and survival mode. And we should not neglect such measures. You don't choose times, you live and die in them.
                    1. 0
                      24 March 2024 11: 43
                      I hope that things will not come to such mobilization. Still, the war in 404 is a local war, but for the West it is generally a colonial war, that is, for the purpose of economic gain, which means there is a budget that makes the war expedient, then funding will be curtailed, especially since the United States has actually already achieved the desired economic result. Further expenses will no longer provide such benefits; they rather need the conflict to consolidate the result, so they will finance it, but on a limited scale, so that it smolders.
                      The necessary bills and decisions based on military actions have been adopted, i.e. The legal configuration of the world has been created; further expenses for war are no longer necessary!
                      Therefore, I hope the resistance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will weaken and we will crush them without additional effort!
                      1. +1
                        24 March 2024 12: 32
                        Quote: Eroma
                        I hope the resistance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will weaken and we will crush them without additional effort!

                        One can hope for this. But under no circumstances should you count on this.
    4. +3
      22 March 2024 07: 50
      Would they allow Russia to massively supply Ukraine with weapons and Russian AWACS aircraft to hover over the Black Sea to correct attacks on the American military? They wouldn’t allow it, our people have little guts, even for a drone that was drowned in the Black Sea, they made excuses, saying it wasn’t us, it was him, and our plane was just walking nearby.
    5. 0
      22 March 2024 10: 37
      Quote: Stas157
      If the United States attacked Ukraine, how would it act?

      Cookies, and not in Kyiv, but in Moscow. And not in 2013, but in 1990. wink
    6. +2
      22 March 2024 13: 32
      This is sedition. (I don’t know, maybe cheating?).
      It’s so apalistic to doubt the sand’s words.
      Where is the world heading? So we’ll get to direct questions to the country’s leadership about the price of victory. And for Roma, can I show Azov residents for an iPhone?

      Unanswered Questions
    7. +2
      22 March 2024 14: 52
      Just like Russia? Without achieving suppression of air defense and air supremacy, would they send the ground army into the crucible?
      They noticed correctly. They would have acted like in Iraq 2003. And Zelensky and the general staff would have flown to the moon in the very first hours of the war. Within a week, all airfields, radars, air defense, control posts would have been destroyed, leaving only focal points of contact for air defense
    8. 0
      24 March 2024 23: 16
      Quote: Stas157
      Without achieving suppression of air defense and air supremacy, would they send the ground army into the crucible?

      What would they do then?
      Quote: Stas157
      Would they allow Russia to massively supply Ukraine with weapons and Russian AWACS aircraft to hover over the Black Sea to correct attacks on the American military?

      What happened in Vietnam?
  5. +1
    22 March 2024 06: 15
    Quote: Stas157
    If the United States attacked Ukraine, how would it act? Just like Russia?

    Carpet bombings and long-range missile strikes following the example of Yugoslavia... that's what will happen.
    The Pentagon does not like large losses of infantry and equipment...Mosul, Raqqa, Al-Falujah, these cities were destroyed to the ground, the local population was destroyed and expelled...this is the military tactics of the Americans.
    1. +6
      22 March 2024 06: 25
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Mosul, Raqqa, Fallujah, these cities were destroyed to the ground

      But first, you must admit, the Americans suppressed air defense and disrupted logistics. Without this, they would not have been able to destroy anything to the “foundation”.
  6. +1
    22 March 2024 06: 24
    China has the advantage that it is not a union like the US or EU.
    In China there is a huge state-forming people. And not a state that divides and destroys itself.
    1. 0
      22 March 2024 17: 01
      The USA is also a single state, only with a federal structure. The same as the Russian Federation, Germany, India, Canada, Australia, Brazil and many other federal states
  7. 0
    22 March 2024 06: 33
    China is not Iraq, Yugoslavia or Libya, it is a huge country, with an incredible population and a developed industry and communications system based on its own technologies. Against such an enemy, blitzkrieg is not realistic, be it air or ground, any conflict directly with China is a war of attrition. The United States will have to "grind" China's air power in endless air battles and at the same time try to destroy its ability to make up for losses.
    I don’t think that the American infantry will be left without air support, due to its qualitative superiority, the United States will create local air superiority in certain areas and they will attack only where China is not comfortable defending.
    There is only one problem, if it is not possible to destroy the Chinese industry with conventional weapons, in particular, it will not be possible to correctly identify the weaknesses of the aviation industry, for example, and destroy these weak points in order to paralyze the aviation industry. Then the escalation of the conflict has every chance of leading to nuclear strikes as the most effective means of achieving victory in a war of attrition.
    1. +2
      22 March 2024 11: 42
      Quote: Eroma
      Against such an enemy, blitzkrieg is not realistic, be it air or ground, any conflict directly with China is a war of attrition

      It is by attrition, and by definition, China cannot win a war of attrition, because within six months to a year of military operations/naval blockade its export-oriented economy will grind to a halt, and after a year and a half there will be interruptions in supplying a huge population and colossal pressure on the authorities...
      Quote: Eroma
      The United States will have to "grind" China's air power in endless air battles and at the same time try to destroy its ability to make up for losses.

      The United States is creating a semicircle of vassals around China, preparing them for war; China will have to fight everywhere at once and with everyone at the same time...
    2. +1
      22 March 2024 12: 00
      Quote: Eroma
      I don’t think that the American infantry will be left without air support, due to its qualitative superiority, the United States will create local air superiority in certain areas and they will attack only where China is not comfortable defending.

      I agree, they definitely won’t climb onto the mainland, but all the Chinese bastions on the islands of the South China Sea will definitely have to be stormed/destroyed, where, apparently, the main battlefield between Chinese and US aviation will unfold. And here everything will depend on the coherence of the work of all combat structures of the Navy/Air Force/Marine Corps/rear services/headquarters/intelligence. Whoever has more experience in such operations, I think the answer is obvious...

      Quote: Eroma
      if conventional weapons fail to destroy Chinese industry... Then the escalation of the conflict has every chance of leading to nuclear strikes,

      This is the whole point. Will the Chinese leadership be determined enough to use nuclear weapons, at least not against the main enemy, but against one of its main satellites? If enough, then: 1. the conflict has every chance of escalating into a nuclear missile war to the fullest, 2. the United States will weaken the pressure and move to the “no peace, no war” option, similarity/delay of negotiations, etc., a benefit for democrats, that time will work on their side... For the Chinese, the first option is preferable, although it carries incredible risks and it is impossible to calculate the outcome, but the second option will in any case lead to their capitulation...
      In my humble opinion hi
  8. +5
    22 March 2024 07: 26
    I don’t think that the United States will not be able to gain air supremacy under the conditions described by the Author. The American army is strong, including in organizing the interaction of military branches, and they have a wealth of military experience, which China does not have. And they have allies - the United States will not get involved in a war alone, there is Japan, Korea, Australia... In general, they have all the advantages that you can imagine, except, perhaps, in numbers and the length of communications.

    And there is the experience of the Second World War, when the United States acted very far from its territory, and acted successfully.

    By the way, I don't think the US will attack China. I love Zadorny, but still there are not many idiots there.
    1. -1
      22 March 2024 10: 34
      Quote: S.Z.
      The United States will not get involved in a war alone; there is Japan, Korea, Australia...

      Don’t forget about the Philippines, Vietnam, India and Indonesia, that’s who will go for meat, and the Chinese are no longer so numerous
      Quote: S.Z.
      By the way, I don't think the US will attack China.

      They are making too many plans, but of course they will rock China to the fullest, there are no less dollar lovers there than we have
      1. 0
        22 March 2024 10: 42
        "Don't forget about the Philippines, Vietnam,"
        I... put these there, of course, too.
  9. 0
    22 March 2024 07: 31
    The ending is the truth, it’s more of a battle for means. The new generation of politicians and military men also wants villas by the ocean.
  10. +2
    22 March 2024 09: 06
    "The US may soon lose air superiority."
    Let’s write after the fact, when this has already happened, with an analysis of why it happened. Otherwise, I’m already tired of this fortune-telling on coffee grounds with a pitchfork - soon, not soon, maybe they can’t.
  11. +4
    22 March 2024 09: 33
    The Amers will not wait for five J 10s to take off against the F35. They will simply strike first at the bases and headquarters with thousands of axes. You should read the novel Foreign Military Review from the times of the Evil Empire. Because of this, in Russia they have forgotten the regulations and instructions from the times of the USSR, and the generals who stole the knowledge acquired at that time by the Northern Military District are more like a negotiated war, I storm the street and you advance strictly along the road.
    1. +2
      22 March 2024 10: 44
      "read Foreign Military Review from the times of the Evil Empire"

      By the way, it was a wonderful magazine, I accidentally came across a binder at one time, very interesting, almost without propaganda (except for the duty one), with analytics and photos.

      I don’t even know if there is an analogue today.
  12. +1
    22 March 2024 10: 49
    The Americans did not fight a worthy opponent. Good. Relatively correct. And who did the Chinese fight against, that I have absolutely no such memory?
    1. -1
      22 March 2024 12: 10
      Quote: stoqn477
      And who did the Chinese fight against, that I have absolutely no such memory?

      Against the Koreans/Americans in the 50's and the Vietnamese in the late 70's. Both conflicts showed the Chinese soldier as a worthy adversary, and the Chinese army in general as not ready for a full-fledged war with a serious rival. But we must pay tribute to the leadership of the PRC, they no longer got involved in wars and drew the right conclusions from the past...
  13. +4
    22 March 2024 11: 37
    Dear author, I do not see in this analysis any information about how NATO allies will behave. I take it that European countries and Japan will sit around with popcorn and admire World War III? What if they decide to support the United States? Have you included European and Japanese aviation in this analysis? Secondly, I do not see any proposal for a preemptive attack, after which many Chinese airports and command centers will disappear. Thirdly, even the Chinese generals themselves do not know the state of the Chinese army and what it is capable of. I read analyzes that there is a lot of equipment, but most of it is rusty and painted so that it looks beautiful during the parade. Does this remind you of anything?
    Fourth, the assessment that China starts such a war is destructive for China. International sanctions and closing markets to a country that relies on exports, withdrawing all production and moving it to other countries will lead to massive unemployment, a collapse of the economy and millions of people rioting in the streets. And all this for a small island. “I managed to get a doghouse, but in the process I lost my house.”
  14. BAI
    +3
    22 March 2024 11: 59
    April 15, 1953 was the last time an American combat aircraft was shot down by a manned enemy aircraft.

    And even in Vietnam they didn’t lose a single one?
    1. BAI
      +2
      22 March 2024 12: 05
      What to do with this:
      Nguyen Van Coc 7 (2 possible) MiG-21 Including 2 unmanned reconnaissance aircraft. Hero of Vietnam
      Nguyen Van Bay 5 (2 possible) MiG-17 Hero of Vietnam
      Nguyen Duc Soat 5 (1 possible) J-6, MiG-21 Including 1 unmanned reconnaissance aircraft. Hero of Vietnam
      Vu Ngog Dinh 5 MiG-21 Hero of Vietnam
  15. 0
    22 March 2024 17: 31
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Quote: Stas157
    If the United States attacked Ukraine, how would it act? Just like Russia?

    Carpet bombings and long-range missile strikes following the example of Yugoslavia... that's what will happen.
    The Pentagon does not like large losses of infantry and equipment...Mosul, Raqqa, Al-Falujah, these cities were destroyed to the ground, the local population was destroyed and expelled...this is the military tactics of the Americans.

    Fallujah is quite worth it, no one was carpet bombed, but the Marines cleared the Islamists with the support of tanks and Specters, and completed the tasks quite professionally. Compare Fallujah and Bakhmut after the battles.
  16. 0
    23 March 2024 01: 12
    I think the United States will not fight with China, but rather again at someone else’s hands.
  17. 0
    23 March 2024 05: 54
    The USA needs to be destroyed somehow, for example, like they destroyed the USSR
  18. 0
    23 March 2024 09: 44
    The author counted only aircraft carriers, and did not take into account the airfields of Taiwan and Japan itself, South Korea and other Thailand.
  19. +1
    23 March 2024 14: 34
    Rroman, a big human request - we exist in the metric system, could you continue to convert pounds into kilograms. Well, really, bad manners. We don’t write calendars from the creation of the world and don’t measure distances in elbows and parrots...
  20. 0
    23 March 2024 18: 49
    Das eigentlich Zauberwort heißt PRÄVENTION...!!!

    DAS was wirklich Fakt ist, ist die Tatsache dass die USA nicht aufhören werden gegen alles und Jeden mit militärischer Gealt vorzugehen, der ihren kranken Plänen im Wege steht...!! Diese quasi-Gewissheit hat man sonst bei keinem anderen Land der Welt!
    Auch wenn man immer und immer wieder - selbst jetzt noch - versucht dieser unbestreitbaren Tatsache aus dem Weg zu gehen, so ist doch die unumstössliche Wahrheit dass es erforderlich ist die USA und auch
    ihr angelsächsisches Mutter-Krebsgeschwür ein für alle mal komplett zu vernichten...!!
    Gerade in Russland kann man zur Zeit gut beobachten, dass ein langanhaltender konventioneller Vernichtungskrieg zwar aus Sicht Russlands zu führen und durchzuhalten ist, aber die unmittelbare und permanente Zerstörung der eigenen Landmasse und zusätzlich der Ukraine, letztlich nicht wen iger dramatisch ist oder sein wird, als wenn ich in einigen wenigen ultraharten Schlägen in exemplarischer Weise Kriegszustände nicht nur schneller beende, sondern vor allem den KRIEG endlich auch in die Territorien der eigentlichen Kriegsanstifter und Verantwortlichen trage ond endlich auch deren Länder und Bevölkerung an der offenbar gewün schten Vernichtung in gehörigem Maße teilhaben lasse.. .!!

    DAS und nur das ist die einzig richtige Strategie, um letztlich das Überleben dieses Planeten und der Menschheit zu gewährleisten...!!!

    Und was die "Luftüberlegenheit anbelangt, so hat der Konflikt in der Ukraine doch eines bereits glasklar gezeigt, nämlich dass es DROHNEN aller Art sein werden, die zukünftig die wahre Luftüberlegenheit repräsentiereen werden, je kampffähiger und ausgeklügel ter desto besser
  21. 0
    24 March 2024 21: 44
    What can be the “surprise effect” in our time?
  22. 0
    25 March 2024 15: 32
    Dozens (Yamato - 152 25 mm barrels + 24 127 mm barrels, Repulse - 20 114 mm barrels + 66 Oerlikon 20 mm barrels + 32 40 mm barrels) anti-aircraft artillery barrels were completely unable to protect the ships .

    Incorrect statement. If they compare different weapons, then they should be of equal cost.
    One Yamato-class battleship costs no more than one Midway-class heavy aircraft carrier along with an air group.
    How Yamato’s duel with one heavy aircraft carrier could end cannot be predicted. They have approximately the same chance of winning. In not very good weather (swell level 5 or more, rain, fog) Yamato will have absolute superiority. In good weather, the aircraft carrier's chances are much greater.
  23. 0
    26 March 2024 11: 36
    We won't be able to get that many planes.
    Although I expect that the Kremlin will soon announce a new batch of purchases.
    Type 96 Su-34 and 48 Su-35.
  24. 0
    April 9 2024 09: 17
    It remains to be seen that both sides, in the event of such a conflict, will forget that they have nuclear weapons. And what would be the point of not using it for China if the United States attacks its territory, I can imagine it.