Ukrainian anti-aircraft machine guns of rifle caliber

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Ukrainian anti-aircraft machine guns of rifle caliber

After the offensive in aviation During the “Jet Era,” anti-aircraft machine gun mounts (ZPU) largely lost their importance as a means of air defense.

In the 21st century, rifle-caliber machine guns capable of firing at air targets remained on armored vehicles, and they were mainly intended for self-defense against infantry armed with anti-tank weapons at shooting ranges.



With the start of a special military operation, the importance and scale of the use of unmanned aerial vehicles has sharply increased. Medium and light class UAVs are very actively used for reconnaissance, surveillance and artillery fire adjustment. They began to play a huge role in the destruction of mobile and stationary targets on the line of combat contact and in the rear. drones-kamikazes, as well as unmanned remote-controlled bombers.

Using an anti-aircraft missile that is 5 or even 7 times more expensive against a disposable attack UAV costing 10–100 thousand dollars is not very economically profitable, and in connection with this, the military began to search for cheaper and no less effective ways to combat drone threat. One of these weapons was the relatively inexpensive and flexible anti-aircraft machine guns.

Until February 24, 2022, the Ukrainian armed forces had a limited number of specialized anti-aircraft machine gun installations capable of firing rifle-caliber ammunition. Their accelerated creation began after the start of the use of the RF Armed Forces drones such as "Geranium" and "Lancet". At the same time, ZPUs chambered for the 7,62 mm cartridge are in most cases mounted on off-road vehicles. Firing positions, as a rule, are located at a considerable distance from the line of combat contact, beyond the reach of artillery and mortar fire.

Anti-aircraft machine gun mounts based on Kalashnikov machine guns


As a Soviet legacy, Ukraine received single Kalashnikov machine guns chambered for 7,62x54 mm R. This is a well-proven weapon used by infantry and mounted on armored vehicles.


Motorized rifle units mainly used PKM machine guns with bipods, produced in the 1980s.

In 2014, Ukrainian warehouses had a significant number of PKB machine guns (for mounting on armored personnel carriers that do not have a turret) and PKS (PK machine gun on an infantry machine).

The PKB was used on armored vehicles that had an open-top design without a rotating turret (BTR-40, BTR-152, BRDM-1, BTR-50), as well as on early versions of the BTR-60 - BTR-60P and BTR-60PA.


On armored vehicles, the PKB was mounted on a swivel device that provided horizontal and vertical aiming, which also had a cartridge box holder with a capacity of 200/250 rounds, a spring shock absorber that softened the recoil of the frame connecting the machine gun to the installation, and a cartridge case catcher that prevented clogging of the internal space of the armored personnel carrier with spent cartridges. The PKB had a non-removable bipod and butt, like a regular PC, which made it possible, if necessary, to use it outside a combat vehicle.


The swivel machine gun mount made it possible to fire at air targets without any modification and to easily install armored personnel carrier machine guns on any suitable chassis. However, after the outbreak of hostilities in 2014 in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the bulk of the PCBs taken from warehouses ended up in the trenches and were not mounted on the equipment.

The easel PKS had the ability to conduct anti-aircraft fire, for which there is a special rod on the machine.


However, in the Soviet Army in the 1980s there were relatively few such machine guns, and not all officers of motorized rifle units saw PKS heavy machine guns in the troops.

Much more widespread than PKS is tank PKT machine gun, created on the basis of the 7,62 mm Kalashnikov machine gun. The PKT has a heavier and longer barrel (tank machine gun sights are designed for the ballistics of the SGMT machine gun for unification purposes) and is equipped with an electric trigger mechanism. If there is no electricity in the on-board network, in the back of the PKT receiver, above the electric trigger block, there is a mechanical trigger made in the form of a vertical trigger held by a spring-loaded fuse.


The Kalashnikov tank machine gun, adopted for service in 1962, was installed in the turrets of tanks and other armored fighting vehicles.

Even before the start of the full-scale Russian-Ukrainian armed conflict, it was clear that the number of PKT machine guns in storage was many times greater than the number of armored vehicles available in the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Some of the Ukrainian PKTs taken from storage to replenish the “machine gun hunger” were installed on machines in long-term firing points. The active use of Kalashnikov tank machine guns in infantry units was hampered by excessive weight and a large amount of alterations.

The PKT, converted on a makeshift basis into an infantry version, was inferior to the PKM in terms of weight and dimensions, ease of carrying in combat, safety and accuracy of aimed fire. The only advantage of the converted PKT over the PKM was the ability to conduct more intense and prolonged fire thanks to the weighted barrel.

At the end of 2022, a large number of photographs appeared on the Internet indicating the mass creation of twin anti-aircraft guns using PKT, which, to ensure high mobility, are usually placed on various vehicles.


The weight and size characteristics of the paired Ukrainian ZPU, created using the PKT, are unknown. Taking into account all the parts: two machine guns, an anti-aircraft collimator sight, boxes with tapes, a frame for the machine welded from a rectangular steel profile and a telescopic height-adjustable stand, the weight of the installation should be at least 50 kg.


The photograph of the paired ZPU shows that due to the one-way feed of the tape from the right, the cartridge box located in the middle of the installation partially covers the collimator sight. The anti-aircraft gun is equipped with guidance handles and a general release.

The total rate of fire of the coaxial installation is 1 rounds/min. Each barrel can withstand 400 continuous shots before overheating without replacement. The effective firing range against drones is approximately 300 meters.


The most effective when firing at air targets are cartridges with armor-piercing incendiary tracer and armor-piercing incendiary bullets.

Due to the depletion of resources and the reduction in the number of Soviet-made Kalashnikov machine guns in the army, in 2010 the design bureau of the Kiev Mayak plant created a single KM-7,62 machine gun, which is actually a Ukrainian version of the PKM and differs in minor details.


The first batch of 140 KM-7,62 units was delivered to the customer in 2015. Since the Ukrainian industry could not produce the required volume of barrels, some of the machine guns manufactured in 2016 (known as KM-7,62T) were equipped with PKT tank barrels taken from warehouses. As of February 2022, about 1 KM-500 machine guns were manufactured.


Using the KM-7,62, a universal turret suitable for firing at air targets was created. It was intended to arm light armored vehicles with such installations, but in reality everything was limited to the production of one-piece samples.

Anti-aircraft machine gun mounts based on Maxim heavy machine guns


After the collapse of the USSR, several thousand Maxim mod. machine guns remained in Ukrainian warehouses. 1910/30. Reactivation of machine guns manufactured during the Second World War and actively used until the early 1950s began in 2014.

The use of old heavy machine guns in modern combat is only possible in stationary positions. A machine gun mounted on a machine with a shield and casing filled with water weighs more than 67 kg, which makes it absolutely impossible for it to be effectively used by infantry units in maneuverable combat operations.


There are photographs of Maxims mounted in the back of pickup trucks on makeshift machines and on tripods that allow anti-aircraft fire to be fired from the ground.


In 2022, an attempt was made to convert the easel “Maxim” into a “manual” one. At the same time, the body of the machine gun was deprived of the casing into which the coolant was poured, equipped with a pistol grip, a metal butt, and the trigger mechanism was changed. The movable barrel was placed in a protective casing with a bipod, protecting the shooter from burns, and a flame arrester appeared in the muzzle. A box with a 100-round belt is attached to the bottom. The sample demonstrated in April 2022 had an optical sight.


In fact, Ukrainian gunsmiths repeated the work done by Soviet designer F.V. Tokarev in the early 1920s. Taking into account the fact that the “converted” machine gun weighs about 16 kg, and the ease of handling leaves much to be desired, such a measure is strictly necessary.

At least one air-cooled machine gun was adapted for anti-aircraft fire by mounting it on a pickup truck. However, this topic did not receive further development.

Last year, mass production of twin mobile anti-aircraft guns began, which use the original liquid-cooled machine guns.


In terms of its characteristics, this Ukrainian ZPU is almost completely similar to the Soviet coaxial anti-aircraft machine gun mount, created in the design bureau of the Tula Arms Plant in 1930.

It is worth recognizing that as a means of combating low-flying, low-speed air targets, this use of old machine guns is almost optimal.

Since the body of the Maxim machine gun with coolant weighs significantly more than the PKT, the mass of such a twin is probably no less than 80 kg. Due to their significant mass, which makes it difficult to carry the ZPU, they are mounted on various vehicles and are in service with air defense units of territorial defense.


At the same time, the machine gun mod. 1910/30, before the water boils in the casing, it is capable of firing more intensely and firing 500 bullets in a short time. The rate of fire of the coaxial installation is 1 rounds/min. Aiming is carried out using a ring sight. A crew of three can be equipped with a compact anti-aircraft searchlight and a thermal imager designed to detect drones, with a piston internal combustion engine.

In addition to the twin Maxim anti-aircraft guns, there are photographs of triple and quadruple Ukrainian anti-aircraft guns on the Internet.


The fire density of such installations is significantly higher than that of sparks. However, for an increase in the rate of fire you have to pay for an increase in weight and dimensions, as well as ease of operation and maintenance.


Apparently, few triple and quadruple ZPUs have been made, and they are used to a limited extent.

Western anti-aircraft machine guns chambered for 7,62×51 mm


Over the past two years, Western countries have supplied the Ukrainian Armed Forces with several thousand machine guns chambered for 7,62x51 mm: American M240, Belgian FN MAG, German Rheinmetall MG 3 and Heckler & Koch MG 5, Italian Beretta MG 42/59, Polish UKM-2000, French AAN F1, Czechoslovakian UK vz. 59 and Swedish Ksp 58B.

It is unknown whether imported machine guns were used in specialized anti-aircraft installations. Taking into account the high rate of fire, the German Rheinmetall MG 3 and the Italian Beretta MG 42/59, which have a rate of fire of up to 1 rounds per minute, are best suited for this.


For German and Italian machine guns, Ukrainian garage craftsmen have launched the production of universal machines from which they can fire at aerial targets. The weight of the machine with a machine gun is about 25 kg.


French AAN F1 machine gun on a VAB armored personnel carrier

Also, rifle-caliber anti-aircraft machine guns mounted on Western equipment are probably used to fire at drones.

Especially to counter Geranium-type kamikaze drones attacking targets deep in the Ukrainian rear, at the end of 2022, the United States provided several dozen M134 Minigun rapid-firing aircraft machine guns.


This is a six-barreled rapid-firing machine gun with a rotating block of barrels, built according to the Gatling scheme, using an electric drive with a power of 1,5 kW. The electric drive is powered from a DC source with a voltage of 24–28 Volts.

The rate of fire is controlled by a rheostat and varies from 3 to 000 rounds/min. The belt is fed to the machine gun through a special metal flexible sleeve from a box with a capacity of 6 rounds and weighs 000 kg.

Machine gun weight – 27 kg. Machine weight – 17 kg. The effective firing range is a little over 500 m. In the Ukrainian Armed Forces, M134 Minigun machine guns are mounted on vehicles with a carrying capacity of 1,5 tons.

To be continued ...
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  1. +3
    15 March 2024 04: 12
    Current article, dear author! hi

    Hihol has shown that it reacts quite flexibly to various threats (((except for the completely chthonic ones, such as “Pythonic” bombs from the UMPC))). So it is unknown how many “Geraneks” did not reach Ukrainian subscribers due to daytime launches on the same routes. But fortunately, we are also learning and “Geranki” have been flying at night for a long time, from different directions, and even (unprecedented things happen!!) they are covered with black paint!
    1. +6
      15 March 2024 04: 15
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Geraniums have been flying at night for a long time, from different directions, and what’s more, (unprecedented things happen!!) they are covered with black paint!

      Alas, black paint is powerless against thermal imaging sights, which began to be installed on anti-aircraft guns.
      1. -3
        15 March 2024 04: 23
        Quote: Tucan
        Alas, black paint is powerless against thermal imaging sights, which began to be installed on anti-aircraft guns.

        They don’t rely on everything, not by a long shot, plus the layout of the “Geranium” makes it possible to quite simply reduce the thermal signature from the ground, which I hope has been done, well, there are already turbojet flowers, and rifle fire is ineffective against them.
        1. +4
          15 March 2024 04: 30
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          They don’t bet on everything, not on everything,

          Of course, it won’t work to install a thermal imager on every 7,62 mm caliber installation. But they definitely do on Miniguns.
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          the layout of the "Geranium" makes it possible to quite simply reduce thermal signature from the ground, which I hope has been done, well, there are already turbojet flowers in action, and rifle fire is ineffective against them.

          How can you radically reduce the thermal signature of a PRD? what
          As for the jet flowers, they glow even more strongly, and the flight speed, provided that the aerodynamic design of the original model is preserved, the speed cannot be radically increased. No.
          1. -2
            15 March 2024 04: 39
            Quote: Tucan
            Of course, it won’t work to install a thermal imager on every 7,62 mm caliber installation. But they definitely do on Miniguns.

            There are a couple dozen miniguns, with an effective firing range of 500 m, according to the article. They won't decide much.

            Quote: Tucan
            How can you radically reduce the thermal signature of a PRD?

            For example, an aerodynamically neutral plane under the engine and a slightly elongated shaft to move the propeller back, and, if possible, plastic mufflers on top of the wing, that’s all. The engine will not be visible directly from the ground, and this will significantly reduce visibility)))

            Quote: Tucan
            and the flight speed, provided that the aerodynamic design of the original model is preserved, the speed cannot be radically increased.
            For a flying wing with a large sweep, this won’t work?!
            1. +2
              15 March 2024 04: 50
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              For example, an aerodynamically neutral plane under the engine and a slightly elongated shaft to move the propeller back, and, if possible, plastic mufflers on top of the wing, that’s all. The engine will not be visible directly from the ground, and this will significantly reduce visibility)))

              This will actually be another UAV and there is no evidence of what you are proposing.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              For a flying wing with a large sweep, this won’t work?!

              No, it won't work No. It is necessary to look not only at the sweep of the leading edge, but also at the wing area. In general, the “flying wing” design is not optimal for high speed.
              1. -3
                15 March 2024 05: 07
                Quote: Tucan
                This will actually be another UAV and there is no evidence of what you are proposing.

                No, this is just a modification, and not a particularly radical one. Well, yes, they stopped shooting down, there is no time to search for foam plastic planes at the hit sites, and the Ministry of Defense is not particularly willing to post photographs. ))) However, the Geranium hikhli shoot down almost all of them, and more than once. wink

                Quote: Tucan
                No, it won’t work no You need to look not only at the sweep of the leading edge, but also at the wing area.
                Those. a couple of simple measures to reduce visibility - this is “actually a different UAV”, and the installation of a fundamentally different motor should be carried out specifically on the piston source? Inconsistent, in my opinion. It is precisely that the jet "Geranium" remains the same only in name.

                Quote: Tucan
                In general, the “flying wing” design is not optimal for high speed.
                Do you know Avro Vulcan? Continue?
                1. +8
                  15 March 2024 05: 23
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Do you know Avro Vulcan? Continue?

                  A very incorrect example. The cruising speed at nominal operating mode (approximately with a thrust of 4600 kgf) of four Bristol "Olympus" 104 turbojet engines at maximum each slightly exceeded 900 km/h at an altitude of more than 12 km, where the air is very thin. When the thrust increased to the maximum (5900 kgf), the short-term speed reached 1035 km/h. Airplanes with swept wings and engines of the same thrust developed higher speeds. It’s strange that I have to remind you that the UAVs in question are not capable of flying at such an altitude.
                  1. -6
                    15 March 2024 05: 36
                    Quote: zyablik.olga
                    A very incorrect example. The cruising speed at nominal operating mode (approximately with a thrust of 4600 kgf) of four Bristol "Olympus" 104 turbojet engines at maximum each slightly exceeded 900 km/h at an altitude of more than 12 km, where the air is very thin.

                    Dear Olga, the example is both correct and indicative. In the former, cruising speed is not maintained at maximum thrust. Secondly, 24 tons of MAXIMUM thrust for 86 tons of weight indicate quite decent aerodynamic characteristics. Thirdly, 900 km of cruising speed is at least 600 km/h at the ground. Even if we accept that the Geranium TR gives 500 km/h at the ground, this is still two and a half times more than the Geranium with a piston engine.
                    Well, the fact that the scheme is not particularly effective, in comparison, is quite effective in principle; the Tu-95, for example, with all the sweep and other things, gives a cruising speed of 715 km/h.
                    1. +8
                      15 March 2024 06: 03
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Dear Olga, the example is both correct and indicative

                      Нет! No.
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      24 tons of MAXIMUM thrust for 86 tons of weight indicate quite decent aerodynamic characteristics

                      They say that the aerodynamic design adopted for the Avro Vulcan was optimal for achieving a long flight range at a very high altitude (up to 14 km), with moderate speed characteristics.
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Well, the fact that the scheme is not particularly effective, in comparison, is quite effective in principle; the Tu-95, for example, with all the sweep and other things, gives a cruising speed of 715 km/h.

                      How can you compare the speed characteristics of aircraft with TVT and turbojet engines? The fact that the Tu-95 has a comparable flight speed to the Avro Vulcan rather indicates that the classic design is more suitable for achieving high speed than the “flying wing”.
                      1. -6
                        15 March 2024 06: 22
                        Quote: Bongo
                        They say that the aerodynamic design adopted for the Avro Vulcan was optimal for achieving a long flight range at a very high altitude (up to 14 km), with moderate speed characteristics.

                        I'm honestly surprised by what you wrote. BECAUSE THE B-52 HAD BOTH SPEED AND ALTITUDE LIKE A VULCANO.

                        Quote: Bongo
                        How can you compare the speed characteristics of aircraft with TVT and turbojet engines?
                        Yes, it’s very simple, because we are talking about propeller-driven and turbojet UAV models with the same design.


                        Quote: Bongo
                        The fact that the Tu-95 has a comparable flight speed to the Avro Vulcan rather indicates that the classic design is more suitable for achieving high speed than the “flying wing”.
                        Wow, a difference of almost 200 km/h. Well, okay, let's take the XB-35 with its 300 km/h and compare it with the Avro with its 900.
                        Although there is nothing to argue about after comparing the Vulcan with the B-52...

                        Quote: Bongo
                        No! no.
                        Just like YES!
                  2. 0
                    April 16 2024 09: 21
                    Quote: zyablik.olga
                    The cruising speed at nominal operating mode (approximately with a thrust of 4600 kgf) of four Bristol "Olympus" 104 turbojet engines at maximum each slightly exceeded 900 km/h at an altitude of more than 12 km, where the air is very thin. When the thrust increased to the maximum (5900 kgf), the short-term speed reached 1035 km/h.

                    So 5900 kgf is bench thrust. With an aircraft input device and at an altitude of 12 km it will be much lower, roughly two times lower.
            2. +1
              15 March 2024 09: 41
              Quote: Vladimir_2U

              Quote: Tucan
              How can you radically reduce the thermal signature of a PRD?

              For example, an aerodynamically neutral plane under the motor and a slightly elongated shaft to move the propeller back,

              The propeller shaft for the ramjet engine (ramjet engine) is powerful! laughing
              1. -3
                15 March 2024 09: 50
                Quote: Good evil
                The propeller shaft for the ramjet engine (ramjet engine) is powerful!

                What type of ramjet engine did you find on a “Geranium” moped? There is a piston engine. Well, anyway, if there are any complaints about the abbreviation, TRD is highlighted separately.

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                just reduce thermal signature from the ground, which I hope has been done, well, turbojet flowers are already in action

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                is this “actually a different UAV”, and the installation of a fundamentally different motor should be carried out specifically on the piston source?
                1. +2
                  15 March 2024 09: 52
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  What type of ramjet engine did you find on a “Geranium” moped? There is a piston engine.

                  Then what is PD? Direct flow?
                  1. -4
                    15 March 2024 10: 16
                    Quote: Good evil
                    Then what is PD? Direct flow?

                    Probably piston, but I wasn’t the first to write the PRD, I just didn’t bother, it seems like everything is clear...
                    1. +3
                      15 March 2024 10: 21
                      What I mean is that we should be more careful with terminology and abbreviations! Otherwise, some “experts” here sometimes draw such things that it is difficult to understand their thoughts.
                      PS And I had no doubt that Geranium has a piston engine.
                      1. -4
                        15 March 2024 10: 24
                        Quote: Good evil
                        What I mean is that we should be more careful with terminology and abbreviations! Otherwise, some “experts” here sometimes draw such things that it is difficult to understand their thoughts.

                        Do you still have questions regarding measures to reduce the thermal signature of the Geranium PISTON ENGINE? Or did they just find fault with the letters, ignoring the context?
                      2. +4
                        15 March 2024 11: 26
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Do you still have questions regarding measures to reduce the thermal signature of the Geranium PISTON ENGINE?

                        What about your multiplication tables? laughing
                      3. -4
                        15 March 2024 11: 47
                        Quote: Good evil
                        What about your multiplication tables?

                        It's nice when your fabrications are compared with the base. hi
                      4. +4
                        15 March 2024 11: 48
                        If there is no clarity in definitions, there can be no clarity in judgments. Don't take it as tediousness or nagging - this is experience!
            3. +1
              17 March 2024 22: 51
              Hello. Look for a lot of videos of their sights on machine guns that work on geraniums. It’s not the engine that glows, it’s the entire body that glows and is visible very well against the sky.
              1. -1
                18 March 2024 03: 54
                Quote: greka
                Hello. Look for a lot of videos of their sights on machine guns that work on geraniums.

                Not looking. For example, according to this
                Ukrainian Video from a machine gun sight


                Quote: greka
                It’s not the engine that glows, it’s the entire body that glows and is visible very well against the sky.
                Contrasting against the sky, why not. You just have to get there...
                1. 0
                  18 March 2024 12: 08
                  Hello. There are such videos
                  https://t.me/our_odessa/59717
                  https://t.me/odessa_infonews/50908
                  1. 0
                    18 March 2024 16: 39
                    Thank you, of course, but even if we assume that a rifle-caliber machine gun is equipped with a thermal imager, then the firing efficiency is near zero, and in one case those shot down five kilometers from the sight, and in the rest they were shot down by missiles...

                    P.S. yes, in all cases, with missiles.
        2. 0
          17 March 2024 22: 44
          Hello. Almost everything is already equipped with a thermal imager. And most importantly, the number of carts. Their density in cities has become very high. And it is with them that 50% of geraniums are knocked down. Look here.
          https://t.me/odessa_infonews/51221
          1. 0
            18 March 2024 03: 48
            Quote: greka
            Hello. Almost everything is already equipped with a thermal imager. And most importantly, the number of carts. Their density in cities has become very high. And it is with them that 50% of geraniums are knocked down. Look here.
            https://t.me/odessa_infonews/51221

            50 percent of those shot down, or those launched? Because the video is the only example from probably not the only span. Well, a heel can write anything.
      2. -2
        16 March 2024 09: 19
        Doesn’t a gentle warmer suffer from intense shooting?
      3. +1
        16 March 2024 12: 03
        Black paint is an excellent solution in terms of price/effectiveness. It’s cheap (or 0, if the original factory paint job is like this), but adds a fair amount of difficulty to your opponent. It will be difficult to find a thermal imaging sight for every machine gun.
    2. +1
      15 March 2024 04: 25
      Somehow more interesting, why aren’t Geraniums launched at high altitude? I don’t know their ceiling, but at the maximum?

      Let them waste valuable anti-aircraft missiles on them, don’t mind.
      1. -3
        15 March 2024 04: 27
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Somehow more interesting, why aren’t Geraniums launched at high altitude? I don’t know their ceiling, but at the maximum?

        Let them waste valuable anti-aircraft missiles on them, don’t mind.

        Yes, maybe they do, by the way, because after all, almost all of our strikes are combined.
      2. +2
        15 March 2024 04: 54
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Somehow more interesting, why aren’t Geraniums launched at high altitude? I don’t know their ceiling, but at the maximum?

        They write that the ceiling is up to 3 km. But given the characteristics of the PD, it is hardly realistic to realize the maximum range at such an altitude. And with increasing height, Geraniums will be more vulnerable to anti-aircraft artillery.
        1. +2
          15 March 2024 12: 16
          Quote: Tucan
          They write that the ceiling is up to 3 km.

          To minimize the effectiveness of a rifle caliber anti-aircraft launcher, it is enough to rise to a height of 700...800 meters and a little higher.
          And in the first wave, I would launch “Geranki” with a television seeker and shrapnel warhead, precisely to combat maneuverable air defense groups, and if these “Geranki” were also equipped with solid fuel boosters, then it would be possible to thin out the “Cheetahs” by attacking them at a higher speed than they were before. Ahead of the defensive line of their “cloud of fragments”
          1. +2
            16 March 2024 09: 22
            Rise up, don’t get up, but they all have to go down before the explosions, here they are met with machine guns, which is why they howl that we’re hitting civilians, they can’t take them off earlier and they shoot them down already over the roof of the guarded facility.
            1. 0
              19 March 2024 08: 58
              Quote: evgen1221
              but you still have to descend before the explosions

              Dive. Not only that, but there’s also a hill to make in front of it...
              Quote: evgen1221
              shot down already over the roof of a guarded facility

              If it were that one, then we must say a huge thank you to them, since a UAV that was shot down on the roof of a guarded facility would definitely explode
    3. +6
      15 March 2024 09: 30
      And I remember how some people simply made fun of their fakes, that they were useless, they only had a jar of cucumbers with geraniums knocked down.
      1. +5
        15 March 2024 09: 38
        Quote: Ghost1
        And I remember how some people simply made fun of their fakes, that they were useless, they only had a jar of cucumbers with geraniums knocked down.

        I don’t understand how you can make fun of a machine gun if you’re not in a tank?
    4. +4
      15 March 2024 10: 00
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Current article, dear author!

      Yes, it’s relevant...I myself recently thought that it’s time to appear on a similar article in VO; I often “hear” how the Armed Forces of Ukraine riveted ZPUs using “rifle” caliber machine guns... (about large-caliber machine guns, that’s the next conversation!) By the way, in 2014 I saw ZPUs in the workshops of the “Vostok” (DPR) battalion on the “base” of the PK (PKT) machine gun... Whether this was a single “prototype” model or a “series”, I can’t say!
  2. +3
    15 March 2024 04: 23
    Actually, an anti-aircraft machine gun on a pickup truck, and even with a heat gun, a detector and electronic warfare systems, is an extremely useful thing. And, interestingly, it’s not that expensive.
    It would be extremely useful to test several hundred of these in the army and draw conclusions.
    True, I suspect it won’t do very well against FPV..
  3. -2
    15 March 2024 04: 52
    . The effective firing range is a little over 500 m.

    Raise the height a little and they won't hit you. And if it’s up to four kilometers, then they won’t reach it.
  4. -1
    15 March 2024 05: 07
    ZPUs based on rifle-caliber machine guns, despite their general availability and widespread use, have several significant drawbacks: a relatively short range of effective fire, especially in height, and low lethality; UAVs can often easily withstand up to a dozen hits
    1. +5
      15 March 2024 20: 25
      Often they survive up to a dozen hits from just UAVs without fuel in the wings and a large warhead.

      It’s been a long time since there was an analysis of the Geranium filling and everything there was crammed to zero.
      Main tank, additional tanks in the wings, drives, wiring, navigation modules, fuel pump, engine, battery, fuel pipes, half-pepelats warhead.

      And all this is conveniently folded into a UAV approximately 2x2m, which does not contribute to survivability when receiving hits.
      Even 3 accidental hits from a rifle caliber can be enough to damage the same tanks, not counting other components.

      The body of Geranium itself is tenacious, as it is made of honeycomb plastic, but the interior will not survive shelling.
      1. 0
        16 March 2024 08: 02
        Quote: Holgerton
        Even 3 accidental hits from a rifle caliber can be enough to damage the same tanks, not counting other components.

        A fuel tank damaged by a rifle bullet will not prevent the UAV from leaving the firing zone and continuing its flight, and since they are rarely used against targets at full radius, there is a chance to fly
    2. 0
      15 March 2024 23: 52
      Quote: svp67
      several significant disadvantages, relatively short range of effective fire, especially in height and low lethality
      Why not take Tiger-like armored cars and Motoligas and put on them NR-23-2, GSh-23-2, GSh-30-2, AM-23, or at least YakB-12.7 or a pair of NSV-12.7, supplemented modern means of optical and radio wave guidance and control!? Moreover, it is not necessary for all this to shake along with the machine when shooting! Automatic computer calculation and mechanical synchronization of the position of the guns with the basic parameters included in the formulas is sufficient. Surely there will be some of the above in warehouses. It is only necessary for some research institute or design bureau to develop an inexpensive, unified, mass-produced set of these control and guidance equipment.
      This becomes especially relevant in light of statements from Ukraine and NATO about the supply of a million drones of various modifications in the near future.
      Yes, all sorts of Leleks, etc., flying past, at an altitude of several hundred meters, cannot be intercepted by these means, but for protection against small drones coming out to attack, they may be useful.
  5. +5
    15 March 2024 05: 28
    hi
    As always, an interesting article!

    in the design bureau of the Kyiv plant "Mayak" in 2010, a single machine gun KM-7,62 was created, which is actually the Ukrainian version of the PKM and differs in minor details.

    IMHO, it was not possible to master the production of reliable machine guns.
    As far as I remember, K. Konev analyzed this.

    ... a large number of photographs have appeared indicating the mass creation of twin anti-aircraft guns using PKT, which, to ensure high mobility, are usually placed on various vehicles.
    There’s even a video (I won’t drag it here) where they attach a homemade stock to a single PKT and use something like a key instead of a trigger.
    Well, with all the “faggots”, on the command “vogon” they are trying to shoot down...

    What’s interesting is that they also use spotlights at night in addition to the heaters; “The initial guidance - target, speed, altitude” is received by the crew commander on the tablet.
    1. +7
      15 March 2024 06: 06
      Quote: Wildcat
      As always, an interesting article!

      Andrey, welcome! drinks
      Quote: Wildcat
      As far as I remember, K. Konev analyzed this.

      I respect Konev! But it is known that a certain number of machine guns were exported to South Sudan.
      Quote: Wildcat
      There’s even a video (I won’t drag it here)

      I, too, refrained from publishing some photos.
  6. +5
    15 March 2024 06: 03
    After the collapse of the USSR, several thousand Maxim mod. machine guns remained in Ukrainian warehouses. 1910/30
    By the way, there are still some DP27 left, if I understand correctly, they were also “revived” and given away where it would not be a pity. There is a video where TRO with DP27 on homemade machines claim that they are shooting (and shooting down) at martyrs somewhere near Kiev. Even two DP27s were included in one frame.

    Over the past two years, Western countries have supplied the Ukrainian Armed Forces with several thousand machine guns chambered for 7,62x51 mm: American M240, Belgian FN MAG, German Rheinmetall MG 3 and Heckler & Koch MG 5, Italian Beretta MG 42/59, Polish UKM-2000, French AAN F1, Czechoslovakian UK vz. 59 and Swedish Ksp 58B.
    With Czechoslovakian UK vz. 59 a judge of the Supreme Court of Ukraine was captured in one frame, he was with a single Maxim from 1944, a Stinger and, IMHO, an Igla - on a roof somewhere in Kyiv...
    1. +4
      15 March 2024 06: 10
      Quote: Wildcat
      By the way, there are still some DP27 left, if I understand correctly, they were also “revived” and given away where it would not be a pity.

      They were sent mainly to the defense industry, where they were mostly pensioners. But I didn’t come across anti-aircraft DP-27s.
      1. +3
        15 March 2024 06: 11
        Hello!
        I won’t drag the video here, but if necessary, I can PM you.
  7. 0
    15 March 2024 06: 11
    Quantity does not always trump quality.
    There is always a “competition” between principal opponents... in this case, between air attack means - countermeasures, air defense...
    The question is... how many machine gun anti-aircraft installations do you need to reliably cover your important targets from UAV attacks??? And how much ammunition is needed for these purposes... no, no, no, I can’t even imagine!
  8. -6
    15 March 2024 06: 43
    In general, the return to the WWII ZPU can be considered completed))) The next step is a fragmentation warhead on a Geranium-type UAV - and goodbye to the machine gunner. If such a warhead explodes 500 meters from the machine gunner, a colander will remain
  9. 0
    15 March 2024 07: 31
    Well, let’s just say that carrying and sparking PCT is not a gift either. You still have to carry it. In the army they roll it square.
    But gentlemen, remind me, do the PKT have spare barrels? You can’t change it on the car and I don’t remember having spare PKT barrels.
    1. +4
      15 March 2024 08: 11
      Quote: MCmaximus
      Gentlemen, remind me, do the PKT have spare barrels? You can’t change it on the car and I don’t remember having spare PKT barrels.

      Structurally, PCT and PC do not differ, except for specific nuances. On a tank and infantry fighting vehicle, it is of course impossible to change the PKT barrel, but on a machine gun removed from the vehicle it is easy.
  10. +4
    15 March 2024 07: 45
    Maxim on installations is beyond competition. The minigun is also interesting. But still, the 7,62 has a reach only at the very approach. Last chance weapon. The problem has become big. Everything from a heavy machine gun does not create the necessary density of fire. The machine gun cartridge is squeezed to its limit. And it doesn’t have much range against drones. Or rather, it’s long-range, but you won’t hit it with confidence. You need something like benchrest cartridges. But here, for sure, there will be a problem with the survivability of the trunks.
    Or expensive installations like a Minigun, but with a control system - radar or something else - to be sure - 2-3 seconds on a UAV. Due to the density of fire. Then we transfer the machine gun to the next target. The man is here only for loading. It is expensive. As usual, such installations will be where there is no raid.
    That leaves lasers. We haven't heard anything about this for a long time. Although the Turks boasted about such things. We need to develop it.
    1. +2
      15 March 2024 09: 10
      It seems to me that the topic of “anti-aircraft grenade launchers” has not yet been developed. The speed of the grenade is not very high, but is commensurate with the speed of the drone, and quadcopters generally fly slowly. But the effectiveness of a grenade with remote detonations can be extremely high. Here you have a lot of fragments and even a small high-explosive effect.
      Moreover, all the components (almost all) are already available, all that remains is to assemble and test.
      1. +1
        17 March 2024 00: 11
        This is how many air-to-air missiles explode now.
        They don’t need to accurately hit a moving point, the main thing for them is to get close, and let the shrapnel and explosives finish the job.
        The idea of ​​using this against drones is interesting.
    2. -2
      15 March 2024 09: 24
      At short distances of 100-200m, the most optimal anti-aircraft gun against UAVs would be an anti-aircraft gun consisting of two paired RPK-74s, it will be very light and the fire density will be high, the last barrier against a drone is what is needed..
      1. +2
        15 March 2024 09: 38
        90 rounds is enough for two bursts.
  11. +6
    15 March 2024 09: 21
    However, in the Soviet Army in the 1980s there were relatively few such machine guns, and not all officers of motorized rifle units saw PKS heavy machine guns in the troops

    Everyone saw the machine guns themselves, since the PKS and PKB are the same PK machine gun mounted on a machine gun or on a swivel mount. But Samozhenkov’s machines and 6U1 swivel units were indeed rare in the 1980s.
  12. +2
    15 March 2024 09: 28
    A video of the destruction of the Ryazan oil refinery with the sound of gunfire in the background showed the same problem.
  13. +7
    15 March 2024 10: 20
    Using an anti-aircraft missile that is 5 or even 7 times more expensive against a disposable attack UAV costing 10–100 thousand dollars is not very economically profitable, and in connection with this, the military began to search for cheaper and no less effective ways to combat drone threat.

    Moreover, these searches are going on very intensively and the first results have already come, for example, the Norwegian CORTEX Typhon C-UAS complex. Moreover, in addition to the main armament - the 6 mm M30LF cannon, the PROTECTOR RS230 module can additionally be equipped with a 7,62 mm machine gun. Therefore, the transition from forced handicraft improvisations to full-fledged systems, apparently, will not take much time.
    1. +6
      15 March 2024 10: 47
      The Spaniards also came to the rescue and, based on their Guardian 2.0 gyro-stabilized module, created an “anti-drone” installation, moreover, it can be equipped with a choice of 12,7 mm, 5,56 mm and 7,62 mm machine guns or a 40-mm MK-19 or MGL grenade launcher.
      Gun manufacturers saw a new promising choice.
  14. -6
    15 March 2024 11: 44
    7,62 mm Miniguns were advertised so much on pickup trucks... and somehow they are not visible in 404.
  15. -2
    15 March 2024 12: 38
    What is the effective height of all this shooting? 600m? we raise it by 800 and now you can only get them with Cheetah (not enough) or rockets (expensive and also not enough)
  16. 0
    15 March 2024 13: 41
    What about "maxim"? When installed forced, with the help of a pump and an additional tank of cooling water, it can shoot as long as there is water and cartridges. The rate of fire is certainly not high, but a pair of shots is already about 1200 shots +/-. True, the system is quite cumbersome, but this is a simple solution and it can be quite effective. We have/had machine guns 7,62x54 ShKAS 1800 v/m or ultraShKAS 3600 v/m; modernizing them on a modern material and technical basis and weapons for combating unarmored targets, in a subjective opinion, should be effective. If at the end of the 30s of the last century designers were able to make such a wonderful machine, then why not repeat the experience of their ancestors. Yes, the machine gun required a specially prepared cartridge, but they decided. And this machine gun went away exactly like an aviation one. But its use on the ground is not justified, it is too fast-firing and again a special cartridge.
    1. +2
      15 March 2024 14: 46
      machine guns 7,62x54 ShKAS 1800 v/m or ultraShKAS 3600 v/m, modernize them on a modern material and technical base and weapons to combat unarmored targets, in a subjective opinion should be effective

      Not effective.
      Effective against FPV are DUM conventional machine guns/40mm grenade launchers with programmable detonation. This is put as an extra. weapons on the roofs of vehicles. As a main thing - guns from 30mm with programmable detonation.

      But here’s a good question: considering that there are a bunch of attack/reconnaissance UAVs with a range of 3,5-5 km. modern MZA does not work - wouldn’t it make sense to revive projects like the “Italian 10 mm OTO Melara on a tank” at a range of up to 76,2 km?
      Moreover, it is easier to insert a programmable fuse into a large caliber. AU220M "Baikal" 57mm something is not visible yet...
      1. 0
        15 March 2024 23: 30
        Quote: Wildcat
        wouldn’t it make sense to revive projects like the “Italian 10 mm OTO Melara on a tank” at a range of up to 76,2 km?
        Moreover, it is easier to insert a programmable fuse into a large caliber. AU220M "Baikal" 57mm something is not visible yet...
        This makes sense! These things are called: ZSU-57-2 and Shilka ZSU. Of course, the “Baikal” module should also be quite good. But where is all this??
    2. +1
      15 March 2024 18: 15
      A single-barreled machine gun with such a rate of fire should be guaranteed to hit in a short burst. Otherwise - overheating. ShKAS also had its own cartridge. Here the six-barrel scheme is better. But still, this is a weapon of last chance.
  17. +2
    15 March 2024 16: 16
    Despite all the nuances, I would still like to note one thing. Yes, Geraniums are low-flying and slow-moving, which allows them to be shot down by anti-aircraft machine gun fire. However, protecting against them requires considerable effort and a lot of resource diversion. Let these machine guns with all their ammunition, thermal imagers and crews stand in the rear awaiting a POSSIBLE arrival, rather than work on the front line.
  18. +1
    15 March 2024 16: 54
    The red dot sight is only in the last photo. The rest are circular.
    I wonder if they don’t use angle ones?
  19. +5
    15 March 2024 22: 13
    Thanks for the detailed review!
    You managed to talk in detail about the small arms that the enemy uses, sometimes upgrading what they have in a forge or in a scrapyard, and without getting too emotional.
  20. 0
    16 March 2024 02: 03
    The future governor of California loved to run around with a minigun.
    But for some reason I didn’t like it with Maxim.
    1. +2
      16 March 2024 12: 10
      The future governor of California loved to run around with a minigun.

      You can run with it. You can't shoot without electricity unless you're inside a movie theater.
  21. +1
    16 March 2024 06: 20
    The cartridge is normal, but there are no machine gunners. And we can’t grow it anymore, not for us, not for them....
    In WWII, machine gunners fired over the heads of the attacking infantry, and along the reverse slopes of the heights...
    1. -3
      16 March 2024 09: 00
      There is a sport called clay pigeon shooting where a person, standing with a gun, confidently knocks down plates at a distance of up to 50m with single shot shots (plate speed is 20m/s), this means that in principle it is not difficult to create a lightweight double-barreled anti-aircraft gun in the 25-35mm caliber which will shoot down drones with single shots of buckshot at distances of up to 200m and speeds of up to 40-50m/s, of course, aiming should not be done by hand, there should be automation. This installation should have one smooth barrel, and the second rifled, by analogy with the Silma Becassier or Verny-Caron Sagittaire Becassier shotguns, where a smooth barrel is for long distances, and a rifled one for close distances, the rifling in the barrel spins the shot charge and centrifugal forces create an ideal scree shot, and the anti-aircraft gun will provide an ideal scattering of buckshot for close ranges
      1. +3
        16 March 2024 09: 22
        the rifling in the barrel spins the shot charge and centrifugal forces create an ideal scatter of shot, and in the anti-aircraft gun there will be an ideal scatter of buckshot for close distances

        I would send you to my comrades who created a machine gun with pilot feed for 12 gauge, but not on this resource.
        Everything has already been invented and tested... but no one needs all the vegetables!
        1. 0
          16 March 2024 15: 27
          Quote: Kerensky
          I would send you to my comrades who created a machine gun with pilot feed for 12 gauge, but not on this resource.
          Everything has already been invented and tested... but no one needs all the vegetables!

          Tell your comrades that in 12 gauge, from the first two shots (then later), it is impossible to create a sufficient density of buckshot necessary to guarantee the destruction of small targets. at distances further than 50-70m
  22. -2
    16 March 2024 15: 44
    What's the point of Maxim's machine guns? I don't think there are many of them in good quality?
    In theory, it is most profitable to assemble cars with a machine on which you can quickly install/remove 2-4 PCs/PCMs. There are plenty of such machine guns all over the world, and the weapon can be quickly removed and used somewhere else for another purpose.
    In general, it is more profitable for us to dismantle machine-gun outboard helicopter nacelles and install gshg and yakb.
    Because there are a ton of them, and yet they are not actually used.
    In this case, it is possible, if something happens, to start producing barrels at the plant in order to replace them when the resource is used up.
  23. +1
    16 March 2024 17: 33
    We can talk and suggest as much as we want, but the main problem is that the People and the Party are NOT united!!! The solution to most of today's military challenges lies on the surface, you don't even need an agency like DARPA, I will give you all the solutions, for example, the Setkomet SSD-2 (Nevod) from NPF Technopharm, the best solution for protecting a simple soldier from FPV drones on the front end, but even Saiga 12 the shotgun was not accepted into service, was not given into the hands of a fighter! Here the ideal solution is the GSh MV 7.72 turret
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Dl4UC-wY8
    . There is simply no other solution, this machine gun mounted on a Pickup is IDEAL! Of course it's good to add it with a powerful green laser pointer!! And that’s it, here’s your solution, 6-8 crews around each critical object with heaters will reflect everything, just like on any Black Sea Fleet ship against BECs! But the Party is busy sharing dough, power, and glory day and night, + if not 70 percent, then definitely 30 percent are foreign intelligence agents in key places. Therefore, let's relax and watch how most of the country's oil refineries are destroyed, and then they take on the administration's factories, theaters, and cinema halls!
    1. 0
      16 March 2024 21: 27
      I really liked the installation on the pickup truck, especially since shooting is carried out from a comfortable sitting position.
  24. 0
    17 March 2024 04: 32
    Quote: Vladimir_2U

    There are a couple dozen miniguns, with an effective firing range of 500 m, according to the article

    Where the author got the idea about 500 meters is a big question. The cartridge is not weaker, the barrel is not shorter...
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