Reinforcements will not come: A-100 will not replace A-50 in the sky

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Reinforcements will not come: A-100 will not replace A-50 in the sky

Some time ago, namely in 2020, we already touched on the topic of the Russian AWACS aircraft, as “hot” and sick at the same time. Russian Premier: on the verge of a dream

Today we will talk about a topic that is a direct continuation of what we started four years ago, because it received a continuation, and what a continuation! The A-50 planes are leaving, and quite quickly, but in terms of replacing them, everything is not so beautiful. The situation is not very good: today the Aerospace Forces has 7 AWACS aircraft left, plus 1 in major restoration. Total 8 cars.



For comparison, the US Air Force has 31 similar aircraft. China has 28. EuroNATO has 27. Japan has 17 vehicles. Israel - 7 cars.


In general, the comparison is clear. Both about quantity and about quality. It is clear that with both criteria everything is ambiguous, but the main thing is that the A-50 has been in service since 1985 with one global modernization to the A-50U, which boiled down to replacing the on-board computer center, modernizing the receiving and transmitting devices, and replacing the information display system for operators. And to the arrangement of recreation areas with the creation of a kitchen block.


And is it worth worrying too much that the service life and capabilities of the A-50 are coming to an end? This is a completely natural process, another question is where is the A-100? And the second question, no less interesting: can the A-100 become a modern detection device?

The questions are strange, but only on one side.

Let's look at the A-100 the way we looked back in 2020


From the point of view of the fact that this aircraft is not just needed in theory, the AWACS aircraft has proven its critical role in a modern military conflict in practice. And he did this not in Syria, where it was necessary to drive in infantry with small arms, but in the Northern Military District, where the enemy has a completely well-equipped and trained army. With the air force and missile forces.

We won’t say much about how relevant such an aircraft is, everything is clear. But how modern the A-100 will be when it appears is a question.

Also in 2020, there was an interview in which, according to the general designer of the Vega concern, V.S. Verba, with the new equipment, the aircraft surpasses all foreign analogues, including the American Boeing E-3 Sentry. This was said in the Izvestia article (link at the end of the material).

We have learned to make brilliant forecasts, but in this case for some reason it becomes uncomfortable. “Better than Sentry, that’s right. That is, the A-100 will be better than the American air complex, which made its first flight in 1972? And went into service in 1977? And it only went through two upgrades? Seriously?

It is clear that the United States uses 33 aircraft, another 17 operate in NATO, and another 16 are scattered across different countries. But who said that AWACS is something new and modern and we must strive to overtake it?

In fact, we should look not at the planes of the last century that are celebrating their half-century anniversary, but at the new ones. And make technology that will be much better than these new ones.

But here everything is not so simple. In general, an interesting trend is emerging, caused by scientific and technological progress. AWACS aircraft are becoming smaller in size. Brazil, Sweden, Israel, and China began using either business jets or twin-engine aircraft for their AWACS aircraft.


Very reasonable: less take-off weight, since the electronics have become more compact, less fuel for the same 6-8 hours of flight, less engine depreciation... Cheapness is a very important factor today.

But the main thing is that phased array antennas appeared, which made it possible to get rid of the huge “mushroom” of radars with energy-intensive drives. And all this no longer weighed 40 tons, as in the last century.


And then in THOSE countries they realized: if we have compact equipment, then why not expand the capabilities of aircraft precisely by increasing the capabilities of the equipment? And little by little, with the help of the Swedes and Israelis, the planes that were AWACS yesterday began to really become multifunctional.

If you don’t need a huge and bulky antenna with a heavy drive system, then why not add electronic reconnaissance systems to the equipment of such an aircraft? Why not install a decent optical-electronic complex? Instead of ballast, which compensates for the raised center of gravity due to the antenna, shouldn’t we install, say, a magnetometer?

And this is what we get? But it turns out that instead of one huge Boeing 737-700 weighing 160 tons and 80 million dollars, you can take FOUR Embraer ERJs (18 tons and 20 million dollars), add on them Swedish radars with Erieye AFAR and some other extras equipment and at the end we get, for one cost, instead of an AWACS aircraft, an entire unit capable of keeping a certain area of ​​the earth’s territory or ocean surface under control for a day. No refueling, just replacing each other.

Yes, the ocean, there is no mistake here. The latest models of AWACS aircraft are capable of working in the interests of fleet, detecting not only surface ships, but also submarines. Yes, not as successful as anti-submarine aircraft and helicopters, but nevertheless they can.

And these are small in size, which means more maneuverable aircraft. Many people probably saw a video last month where some very large and slow aircraft tried to avoid anti-aircraft missiles using air defense missiles. One was confused, but the other was not. As a result, the aircraft fell to the ground.

At this time, we will not discuss the chances of success in surviving in a similar situation with a smaller aircraft, we will only note that such an aircraft is cheaper and is built more quickly. And this is its main advantage. Well, yes, his visibility is also less. But the main thing is that such aircraft are really easier to compensate in case of loss for any reason.

It is clear that installation and debugging of equipment takes 2-3 years, but let’s look from a different angle.

What is A-100? In principle, this is the same IL-76 base with individual new components inside. Between A-50 through A-50U and up to A-100 – FORTY years! Well, or a little more, but we won’t find fault.


That is, after forty years, we get a new aircraft, which in its characteristics should surpass the fifty-year-old American aircraft Boeing E-3 Sentry. In fact, the A-100 is already obsolete if compared to the Sentry. But they cannot even build this complex. After all, if you start tracking the statements of respected decision-makers, you can clearly trace the entire “combat path”: the A-100 “Premier” was supposed to go into production back in 2016. But something went wrong, and 2018 was called. Then 2020. Finally - 2024.

And now we have the end of the first quarter of 2024, and peace and grace. In general, the year 2024 has been mentioned very often in our aircraft industry, so throughout the year we will remember who promised to do what by this year. But with regard to the A-100, it was said: start serial assembly. Where is she? Silence for now.

I am sure that, according to the new bad Russian tradition, the deadlines will once again be “shifted to the right.” Why not move them if the only copy of the A-100 cannot cope with the test program?

The second copy, which would have joined the first in testing, was supposed to take to the skies in 2023. But something obviously went wrong.

And here’s the time frame: building an IL-76 is not fast. If you look at the chronicles of VASO, they produced an average of one aircraft every two years. And there was a certain reason for this: the plane is huge and not so easy to assemble. Plus just gigantic work afterwards, stretching kilometers of cables and installing equipment in Taganrog.

That is, if an A-50 was made from an A-50 in two years, then at a minimum, the assembly of one A-100, even at an accelerated pace, will take at least five years from the moment of laying.

And yes, you understood everything correctly: if suddenly a miracle happens and in 2025 factories rush to mass-produce the A-100, then the first aircraft will be produced by 2030. And this is in the most optimistic and most beautiful case. And this case is unlikely to happen, because the state testing program has not been completed as of March 2024. And you know how long the tests can take.

And here's a question: how many A-50s will we have left by 2030?


One can only guess, because modern conditions do not imply any clear forecasts at all, starting with the reasons for the reduction of the A-50 list.

However, we can draw a definite conclusion that the program to replace the A-50 with the A-100 has actually failed right now. And here the key point is not even that the A-100 still cannot pass state tests, the point is that there is no second copy and, apparently, if there is one, it will not be soon. And for normal tests you need at least two aircraft, and preferably three.

But now it's about the IL-76. This is a huge piece of aircraft. Last year, only five units out of six were manufactured according to plan. And the plane is in demand for more than just transport aviation, air tankers, aircraft of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, special aircraft. But in general, the first two categories are more than enough to understand that “the third is odd.” Well, it’s not that this third one is superfluous, difficult - AWACS.

A huge aircraft, with a huge cost, under 5 billion rubles (without equipment, of course), with small-scale production. Another disadvantage is the four not-so-modern PS-90A engines, which, although as reliable as the AK-74, have simply insane fuel consumption, which determines the very high cost of a flight hour.


Let's look at the other side


We won’t look at business jets stuffed to the brim with electronics; their functionality remains to be learned and assessed. As an example for us, we can take this creation: the E-7A Wedgetail based on the Boeing 737-700.


It was created at the beginning of the 400s by order of the Australian Air Force, but the machine turned out to be so successful that despite the price of 500-5 million US dollars per aircraft, the Wedgetail was ordered by Great Britain (4 units), Turkey and South Korea (6 units each). ) and, in fact, 26 aircraft for Australia. Well, so as not to offend itself, the US Air Force also did not stand aside, ordering 6 vehicles and 3 more for NATO to replace the decommissioned E-XNUMX Sentry. Next up are Qatar, Italy, Saudi Arabia, and the Emirates.

Boeing 737AEW&C or there is another designation, Boeing 737-7ES, is a completely different story. If our IL-76’s competitor is primarily the Boeing 707, then our 737’s counterpart is the Tu-204. You understand the difference in weight category, don’t you? An aircraft weighing from 160 to 190 tons (in the case of the S-3/A-50) or 60-80 tons (737/Tu-204) - there is a difference, right?

What made the design so easy?

That's right, radar.

The main working element of the new aircraft is the MESA radar from Northrop-Grumman, fixed, of course, with AFAR. It “sees” over a range of 400 km, and is capable of detecting and classifying up to 3 targets per cycle. The station has three operating modes: scanning airspace, scanning surface space and frame shooting for detailed viewing of a given area.

It was the absence of any moving mechanics in the antenna design that made it possible to significantly reduce the weight of the entire aircraft. AFAR consists of a whole complex of gratings, one of which “looks” in sectors +/- 30 degrees forward and backward, and two gratings “look” along the left and right sides, providing almost all-round visibility.

Could the Americans not be so ostracized and just add another rotating antenna in the shape of a “mushroom”? Yes, easily! But, excuse me, they don’t manage budgets in the USA!

And now the icing on the cake: money and time.

Yes, actually, but what about money? The 737 is a medium-haul commercial airliner. There are only two engines, they are not as voracious as the PS-90A, maintenance of an AWACS aircraft is at a price. Serialization... Well, the fact that the 737 is the most common passenger aircraft in the world says something, doesn’t it? To date, more than 11,5 thousand aircraft have been manufactured and another 4,5 thousand are in production and are in the pipeline. That is, there is a sea of ​​specialists. There is an ocean of spare parts. There are no problems with the cost of maintenance.

What can I say if Boeing's factories around the world produce 26 aircraft per month! That is, 312 per year. And compare this with 5 (five) of our IL-76s...

A very smart move, I must admit.

Who would be surprised today that the new NATO P-8 Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft is being produced on the basis of the 737? Nobody? So I’m not surprised, but meanwhile, an anti-aircraft defense aircraft, into which they have crammed everything possible, costs only 120 million dollars!


By the way, this is the cost of an “empty” transport Il-76MD-90A.

And here it should be boldly noted that “Poseidon” is not exactly anti-submarine. In fact, there are more than enough functions, otherwise what have the Poseidons forgotten in the Black Sea, where they are observed almost every day? Are our submarines looking? Why did they surrender to them at all?

Here it is clear that the Poseidons are not at all interested in boats. Using the equipment on board, intelligence officers study our ports, coastal defense line, and so on. Depending on the task.


And so it turns out that an AWACS/reconnaissance aircraft based on a commercial airliner is easier to maintain and cheaper than a similar aircraft made on the basis of a heavy transport aircraft. This means that the E-7 and P-8 can make more sorties, since they do not have to worry about the fact that every hour of the aircraft’s flight is gold or platinum. We need to fly - take off!

The only question is the qualifications and training of flight crews and technical personnel.

What can be said as a result?


1. Components

The A-100 program is frankly a failure and is 90% incapable of replacing the imported components that were originally included in the A-100 design. How reasonable it was in general to count on purchasing components from foreign manufacturers for a military aircraft - let those who have to do it judge.

And in Rostec, the head of which on March 1 announced the resumption of production of the A-50, thereby only indirectly confirming the impossibility of producing the A-100.

That is, they will try to produce the old A-50 using the same component base.

2. Base

Due to its high cost and slow production, the IL-76 is not a normal base for an AWACS aircraft. But apparently, since the component base of the last century will be used, there will be no need to dream about smaller aircraft.

Or it would be possible to copy the Western principle and take the risk of developing an AWACS aircraft based on the same Superjet, of which, at the very least, more than 200 of them were produced and actually mastered production. Moreover, Rostec promises a “New Superjet” in unimaginable quantities, entirely made from Russian components.

Well, even if all production plans are disrupted, even if they produce 20 or 30 airliners a year, it will still be significantly more than 5 unfortunate IL-76s.

3. Radar

If the promised A-50 again contains the same “mushroom” with an old-style antenna, there will be nothing to comment on at all. This design cannot be called a masterpiece, but this is exactly the situation when everything is better than nothing at all.

And our opponents have antennas with AFAR in lightweight and, most importantly, fixed structures at the top of the fuselage. No extra weight for hydraulic motors, hoses, mechanisms. Frankly more reliable, giving aircraft multifunctionality - what many people dream of today.

Who is to blame and what to do?


Those who planned the A-100 using imported components and thereby failed the project are frankly to blame and deserve appropriate “rewards.” Of course, it’s easier to buy than to make it yourself; we have been implementing this vicious practice for quite a long time. And here’s the result: there is no AWACS aircraft.

Mr. Chemezov answering a question from TASS said “Of course, this plane is needed. Of course we will do it. Not only does our army need it, it also goes very well for export.”. It is exported well - these are six aircraft sold to India and four Il-76 for China. A big deal, where are the Americans with their planes... Those who want to will line up... But alas, the factories will not give more than 5 Il-76s.

Therefore, at best, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive their first aircraft in 2-3 years. And it will continue to do so, drop by drop. And they will wait for rare flights of these planes, like manna from heaven, where they were needed around the clock the day before yesterday. But alas, this is the situation.

But in fact, the Russian Aerospace Forces need a small, modern and cheap AWACS aircraft, similar to the Boeing E-7 Wedgetail. Based on a commercial airliner. If, of course, we have these airliners.

In general, in theory, any of the existing projects Tu-204, Tu-214, SSJ-NEW, MC-21 - any aircraft is suitable for such a role. If it stays on stream and is a Russian aircraft made from Russian components with Russian engines. Well, if the Russian manufacturer represented by UAC can mass-produce it.

The same seemingly absolutely Russian MS-21 can lift 20 tons, the payload of the Boeing 737 is also 20 tons, and this was enough for the Americans to create a new AWACS aircraft and for the maritime Poseidon.

Are we so much worse that all that Rostec is capable of is 40+ tons on the Il-76? Sorry, but there’s just not enough lamp equipment yet.

Don't have your own? Well, you can ask/exchange for something the Chinese AFAR system for AWACS aircraft, which they clearly ripped off from the best system in the world, the Swedish “Erieye”. At least the Chinese have a modern fixed radar, albeit based on the “licensed” An-12, but we do not. But it is necessary.

If you look at how many AWACS aircraft non-belligerent countries (or partially at war, like Israel) have, the thought arises that 20-25 AWACS aircraft is the minimum that the Russian Aerospace Forces need. That is, we are talking about the fact that it will be necessary to produce about 20 aircraft. Approximately because it is unknown how many aircraft will not be able to perform their roles by the end of production.

I already wrote above what 20 Il-76 aircraft are. This is “only” 4 years of plant operation. No transport workers, no tankers. And plus there is still time to produce AWACS aircraft. In total, the first aircraft can enter the Aerospace Forces in 4-5 years, the last...

Unfortunately, there is a very strange situation in our military-industrial complex; by the way, this is probably not the case in any other country. On the one hand, there is a complete disregard for the experience of other countries, on the other, the principle of “take what you have.” And if you can somehow still put up with the first, like “we have our own school, we have our own way,” then with regard to the second...

There is no “Coalition”, which was worn out at exhibitions and never put into production - take the T-55. There is no and there will not be an A-100 (and there won’t be one, otherwise why would there be talk about the A-50) - here’s an A-50 for you and do what you can.

Let this be a personal opinion, but today, in light of the fact that the A-100 will never exist, it makes sense to throw all our efforts into creating a really new AWACS aircraft on the cheaper base of a commercial airliner.

The A-50/A-100 based on the Il-76 has absolutely no future for several reasons that were voiced today. No matter what the representatives of our military-industrial complex say on camera.
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  1. +87
    4 March 2024 04: 45
    Unfortunately, I agree with the author... The failure of civil aviation has led to the fact that we simply do not have aircraft for military aviation, no matter how stupid it may sound. Not only are there no AWACS aircraft, but also reconnaissance, electronic warfare, and tankers!!! Plus there is a lag in the element base.... And there is no improvement on the horizon. Unfortunately.
    1. +97
      4 March 2024 05: 02
      Quote: Magic Archer
      And there is no improvement on the horizon. Unfortunately.

      But the naked eye can see how obese, rather shabby old people eke out a miserable existence in the industries entrusted to them and cheerfully pay themselves huge allowances for their loved ones...
      If all this production is in the paddock, then it is appropriate to ask the same presidential candidate, why the hell are both the Minister of Industry and Trade and the same Chemezov content with more than half a billion annual income? For what merits exactly were these people placed in key positions? Where are the Russian Elon Musks?
      1. +63
        4 March 2024 07: 28
        Well, first of all, the candidate and Chemezov have known each other for about forty years. Here, as they say, no comments. And secondly, our modern Russian capitalism is special. There is no place for patriotism or dreams of the greatness of Russia. Only the development of funds.
        1. +39
          4 March 2024 08: 16
          Quote: Gardamir
          Well, first of all, the candidate and Chemezov have known each other for about forty years.


          I just want to ask GDP, does anything bother him?

          16.06. 2022
          More than 1000 aircraft will be transferred to airlines for the needs of civil aviation until 2030, said the Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF-2022).
          Domestic air carriers, according to Manturov, will receive 142 short-haul SSJ-New aircraft (the so-called “import-substituted” Sukhoi Superjet 100), 270 medium-haul MC-21, 70 each Il-114-300 and Tu-214 aircraft, as well as 12 Il- 96–300. The rest of the aircraft produced by 2030 will be regional aircraft such as Ladoga, L-410 and Baikal.


          14.12.2023
          “We plan to produce over a thousand of our own aircraft by 2030,” Putin said, summing up the year.



          01.03.2024, 00: 00
          The program worth hundreds of billions of rubles for the supply of domestic aircraft is being postponed by two years. We are talking about all civilian projects - MS-21, SJ-100, Tu-214, Il-114 and Baikal. The aviation industry does not have time to test aircraft within the deadlines set for 2022, and their characteristics do not correspond to those originally planned.


          In 6 years, the industry must deliver about 1000 aircraft of various types... (everyone understands that these are fairy tales and such that even non-specialists understand), but what is the postponement of the delivery of the first production aircraft (MS-21, SJ-100, Tu-214, Il-114)? It's time to draw personnel conclusions regarding Chemezov/Manturov and everyone involved.
          1. Tim
            +16
            4 March 2024 08: 39
            [/quote]MOSCOW, March 4 - RIA Novosti. The newest Russian T-14 Armata tank is far superior to existing tanks in terms of its characteristics, but it is unlikely to be used during the SVO due to its high cost; it is easier for the army to purchase cheaper T-90 tanks, the general director of the Rostec state corporation told RIA Novosti "Sergey Chemezov.
            "Armata", it is, in general, a little expensive. In terms of functionality, it is, of course, much superior to existing tanks, but it is too expensive, so the army is unlikely to use it now. It’s easier for them to buy the same T-90s,” Chemezov told RIA Novosti.[quote]

            Maybe a little off topic, but that's the gist of it!
          2. +25
            4 March 2024 09: 05
            It's time to draw personnel conclusions regarding Chemezov/Manturov and everyone involved.
            What about “We don’t hand over our own?”
          3. +34
            4 March 2024 09: 22
            The author of the article has memory lapses. He forgot to mention the main reconnaissance aircraft Tu-214R. All his reasoning and conclusions are somehow not correct without mentioning this aircraft. He doesn't have a "mushroom" and works on the ground.
            https://naukatehnika.com/boevoj-debyut-samoleta-distanczionnoj-razvedki-tu-214r.html
            https://panterka93.livejournal.com/90969.html
            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1370293.html
            All questions to the military. One gets the impression that someone is trying and is actually depriving our army of advanced reconnaissance assets. The Russian Armed Forces lack modern technical means of reconnaissance in real time, ranging from space to tactical. All questions to the military leadership. We do not have a modern army and this is their merit...Re-read the material on the links and you will understand a lot. Anyone who knows how to think will understand.
            1. +12
              4 March 2024 10: 34
              https://panterka93.livejournal.com/90969.html
              Tu-214R:
              8. Equipment:
              - Multi-frequency radio engineering complex MRK-411, including several radars with phased arrays of lateral (2 radars on each side) and all-round (radar under the fuselage in the rear of the aircraft) view; The radio engineering complex was developed by the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "TsNIRI named after Academician A.I. Berg" on the theme of R&D "France-4KRR". The complex provides information in both active and passive modes. The equipment also allows you to intercept radio communications.
              RTK detection range - up to 250 km at flight altitude 9000 - 12000
            2. +7
              4 March 2024 11: 06
              And also, IMHO, reconnaissance means are shifting more and more towards drones, the tasks being solved are the same but people are not dying, and there are many satellites in very different ranges from photo-video to X-ray radar am
            3. +5
              4 March 2024 13: 05
              He forgot to mention the main reconnaissance aircraft Tu-214R.

              The TU-214R is not an AWACS aircraft, but the main topic in the article is about problems with AWACS.
          4. +14
            4 March 2024 09: 54
            It's time to draw conclusions regarding the main curator of all these Chemez and Mantura...
            1. +6
              4 March 2024 13: 48
              Quote: Ded1958
              It's time to draw conclusions regarding the main curator of all these Chemez and Mantura...

              I would like to see someone who can draw such conclusions
              this brave "extremist"
              one who did it was buried the other day, and he just had investigations about Rostec and its head (by the way, Hero of Russia, full holder of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, and a lot of other regalia, professor) and who is an old colleague of the curator himself ...
              1. -3
                4 March 2024 15: 06
                Quote: Yeti Suvorov
                and he just had investigations about Rostec


                Don't confuse me with his investigations. One of Putin's dachas showed the value of data taken from the ceiling and stretched onto a globe. Links are not to documents, but to tables that anyone can create, including you. And he deservedly deserved it, for he had committed criminal offenses, a funny “fighter for all that is good, against all that is bad.”
          5. +3
            4 March 2024 11: 59
            But in my opinion, the candidate should remain a candidate. Otherwise, who will make “personnel conclusions regarding Chemezov/Manturov and everyone involved.”?
          6. +6
            4 March 2024 12: 03
            No, nothing bothers him. That's why he does his job, so that Mr. Chemnzov can feel good. What did you think? Is he thinking about Alexander21?)
          7. +14
            4 March 2024 13: 06
            Excuse me, when was the last time you saw a big shot in Russia being removed from his post not for losing the trust of his superiors, but for failing his main job?
            1. 0
              4 March 2024 19: 36
              Quote from alexoff
              Excuse me, when was the last time you saw a big shot in Russia being removed from his post not for losing the trust of his superiors, but for failing his main job?

              Gorbachev, 1991.
              1. 0
                4 March 2024 21: 07
                So there was a revolution. And we don’t really know what really happened there.
              2. +6
                4 March 2024 21: 26
                And what do you want? The Russian government and the elite are people who only know how to scoop up raw materials, sending them over the hill and raking in the money that is stacked there in offshore companies! They don’t want to develop the country, its science and industry, they can’t and won’t - because for them it’s too much for them brainwork! The Minister of Industry is Manturov, the richest MEMBER of the government is a sociologist by education and understands as much about industrial CNC machines as a hare does about integrals! Therefore, he failed ALL the assigned projects, but continues to sit firmly in his chair. Well, he likes him himself! After all, it’s not his pocket that suffers, but the state’s. A distinctive feature of Russian managers is blatant incompetence and unprofessionalism, which completely excludes their usefulness for business! Who ruled Roscosmos was journalist Rogozin, and as a result of his creative efforts, the corporation ended up in a place modestly called the lower bust! They recently wrote that Rosaviation lost SIXTY aircraft, and when they began to probe the topic, it turned out that absolutely incompetent people ruled there, which led to this result! By the way, this is why in the West they treat Russia so much - no one respects economic weaklings! They don’t read Russian media, but they perfectly see Russia’s “successes” in aviation, the auto industry, and science! Hence the impudence and crossing the “red lines” of even NATO bugs - Baltic extinctions!
          8. +6
            4 March 2024 16: 42
            Excuse me, but what should bother him?
            Evaluate the GDP policy of the last 15-20 years. All this was built with an even greater focus on receiving foreign investment in order to build the most efficient oil and gas complex possible. And all these years we have been building oil derricks, gas carriers, new refineries and pipelines. Only the nuclear industry has grown, developing and promoting new technologies, but it alone cannot carry the entire country.
            And since the beginning of the SVO... nothing has changed. Still selling oil and gas. Money from the proceeds remains in the companies (it’s not the state that sells, but large private corporations, and therefore the profit remains within them). They organize international economic forums, where Western investors are still invited. Etc.
            The country's leadership had no interest in developing a self-sufficient economy, and remains so to this day! But after the upcoming elections, they will definitely begin to correct these problems. After all, they voiced this in their election promises (although some promises have been wandering from election to election for many years now).
            1. 0
              7 March 2024 08: 02
              Then explain where the money comes from for national projects, pensions, bridges, repaired roads, etc., which did not exist in such a state even in the USSR.
              1. 0
                8 March 2024 07: 46
                Then explain where the money for national projects, pensions, bridges, repaired roads comes from

                According to the residual principle, first yachts and estates, and the remainder for national projects. Secondly, these projects started in the last 5-10 years, but compared to the megaprojects of China, these are so-so projects. Because the elite does not consider the Russian Federation its country, but the NATO countries, and they invest there.
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          10. 0
            6 March 2024 09: 30
            conclusions regarding all involved

            this is the ECHO of the 90s - Yegor Gaidar agreed
            and overwhelmed us with Boeings and Airbuses
        2. 0
          4 March 2024 13: 10
          Quote: Gardamir
          And secondly, our modern Russian capitalism is special. There is no place for patriotism or dreams of the greatness of Russia. Only the development of funds.

          And what kind of “modern capitalism” is patriotic with dreams of the greatness of the Motherland? German capitalism? French capitalism? Maybe Greek or Spanish capitalism? Or maybe modern Japanese capitalism? Or modern Brazilian capitalism?
          Name at least one “modern capitalism” without the development of funds and lobbying of interests?
          1. +8
            4 March 2024 14: 54
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            And what kind of “modern capitalism” is patriotic with dreams of the greatness of the Motherland?

            Miguel de Lewis said about capitalism that capitalism is a religion, where banks are churches, bankers are priests, wealth is heaven, poverty is hell, the rich are saints, the poor are sinners, material wealth is a blessing, money is God.
            There is no national capitalism, just as there is no national multiplication table. The struggle for leadership is over, capitalism already has a world leader and the master of this planetary system, this pole of power. That is why all the leaders of Europe, and not only, look into the mouth of the United States, and do or do not do what the owner says. Russian oligarchs are hardly an exception here, hence all the strangeness of our words and deeds.
            Capitalism now also lacks the main positive thing - competition; with the advent of transnational monopolies, it became a fiction, especially with the disappearance of the true pole of power competitive to capitalism - socialism, represented by the USSR and the bloc of socialist countries.
            What can we say about lobbying interests and the development of funds if capitalism has reached its apogee and become an absolute evil for humanity, turning into a planetary virus, corrupting morality, absorbing resources.
            1. +2
              4 March 2024 16: 53
              Quote: Per se.
              There is no national capitalism, just as there is no national multiplication table.

              That's what I'm trying to convey! But, unfortunately, the majority thinks in terms of right/wrong capitalism. Here they have Elon Musks, and we have corrupt officials...
              Quote: Per se.
              Capitalism now lacks the main positive thing - competition, with the advent of transnational monopolies it has become a fiction

              It's like in sports - there is only one champion. Any capitalist competition leads to the fact that there is only one left, which has ruined and swallowed everyone up... We are already close to this...
              Quote: Per se.
              What can we say about lobbying interests and the development of funds if capitalism has reached its apogee and become an absolute evil for humanity, turning into a planetary virus, corrupting morality, absorbing resources.

              It will only get worse! The extreme form of development of capitalism is fascism. Corporate state. Total control over all areas of life. Nothing is personal. They are already dictating how to raise children correctly! Which family is right... Further, more. Orwell's 1984 will seem like baby talk...
              1. -2
                5 March 2024 06: 21
                Fascism is, in essence, democracy, i.e. it is in fact the power of private financial and industrial corporations over all states.
                1. +1
                  5 March 2024 19: 26
                  What do fascism and democracy have to do with it?!?!? Democracy is democracy. And you immediately write that fascism is the power of corporations. That is, in essence, you wrote - corporate power is democracy.
            2. +2
              5 March 2024 10: 18
              Capitalism was like this 100 years ago. Poem by Demyan Bedny 1919

              CAPITAL
              Don't let them bosie you
              or maybe not me.


              Admiring the wondrous picture,
              Slaves, bow before me!
              With its steel web
              I have entangled the entire globe.
              I am the embodiment of capital.
              I am the ruler of the world.
              Magic shine and ringing of metal -
              My look and my voice are powerful.

              The royal crowns are fading,
              When I put mine on.
              Breaking thrones with one hand,
              Another - I create thrones.
              My hand draws laws
              And she cancels them.
              All "fatherlands" are pens to me,
              Where cattle are human tribes.

              I want to graze herds in the valleys,
              I want to - I drive them to the slaughterhouse.
              My swing - and the area in ruins,
              And the temples were set on fire.
              Among all the strongholds my stronghold
              Stands like an unshakable rock.
              The Stock Exchange Temple is my shrine,
              The office desk is my lectern.

              My gospel is balances,
              Worship is a "game"
              Sacred gifts - finances,
              My priests are accountants.
              I am the high priest in this temple,
              Your high priest and leader.
              Completing my spiritual feat,
              I collect the golden rain.

              My treasures are countless
              I won't give them up without a fight.
              May they forever be unrequited
              Slaves pacified by me!
              May the steps be holy to them,
              Where am I waiting for the victims of their labors!
              May they all bow their knees,
              Kissing the ashes of my footprints!

              1919
          2. +1
            4 March 2024 15: 12
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Name at least one “modern capitalism” without the development of funds and lobbying of interests?


            They can’t name them, but they will provide you with cons from the heart. But they simply cannot provide anything else in contrast to your words. And the facts just show that modern governments actually no longer represent the interests of specific countries and their citizens, but the interests of international corporations. Those. and are conductors of the development of funds and lobbying for the interests of these corporations.
            1. +2
              5 March 2024 10: 21
              Marx wrote 170 years ago that the State is an instrument of violence in the hands of the ruling class. Well, naturally the capitalist state works in the interests of the capitalist class
          3. +1
            4 March 2024 21: 09
            Qatari capitalism, Swiss capitalism. True, they do not exist in a vacuum, and if the refineries are taken away from Switzerland, then all their well-being will quickly be covered with a copper basin
            1. 0
              5 March 2024 05: 47
              Quote from alexoff
              Qatari capitalism

              That's cool!!! wassat good
          4. +4
            5 March 2024 06: 19
            Here you are right, you can’t argue, capitalism is essentially the same everywhere and for the sake of 300% profit it is ready to commit any crime))
          5. -1
            8 March 2024 08: 16
            And what kind of “modern capitalism” is patriotic with dreams of the greatness of the Motherland? German capitalism

            For example, Ford. What's good for Ford is good for America. In the Russian version, what is good for Norilsk Nickel is bad for Russia. As an example, a leaky solarium tank and an environmental disaster, the oligarch has not updated for 30 years, has not invested in Norilsk Nickel, only withdraws and removes it, a pure parasite.
            The Ford Automobile Plant spends its profits on the development of new models, on salaries for engineers and scientists, and on creating jobs. The same Musk invested initial capital in the creation of several companies from scratch, then he plans to create another corporation for interplanetary cargo transportation and colonize Mars and the oligarch’s planning horizon is a giant yacht with golden toilets.
            Western capitalists materialize money into new companies, and compradors squander it on consumption.
            1. +1
              8 March 2024 12: 54
              Quote: nickname7
              Western capitalists materialize money into new companies, and compradors squander it on consumption.

              Old songs about the Main Thing! wassat “Our capitalism is simply not correct! But theirs is correct!” “We just need to imprison all the swindlers and thieves, and put honest and good people in their place! Then we’ll live!”... I thought there were no more such eccentrics left...
              Quote: nickname7
              For example, the Ford company. What's good for Ford is good for America.

              Did Ford say that? It was good for Ford to move assembly production abroad. And not only Ford, by the way. And they closed factories in the USA. Is this good for America? For Detroit, for example? Did you see what he turned into? And "Rust Belt?" Do you know what this is? And what did it turn into, because it was profitable for American Capital to close everything and move capacity abroad?
              Capitalism rests not on Capitalists, but on idiots who dream of becoming one and pass on “from mouth to mouth” the Legend of the Great Elon Musk, who started as a cleaner in a boiler room at a Canadian sawmill! This is cooler than lottery scams!
        3. +1
          4 March 2024 15: 40
          “Well, first of all, the candidate and Chemezov have known each other for forty years.”......
          The analogy suggests a Proposal for Modernization.... This is where we need to start. Then, you see, they will start building PLANES.
        4. +1
          8 March 2024 21: 33
          Correction: disbursement of funds and compilation of beautiful reports on “successes”.
      2. +21
        4 March 2024 08: 33
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Where are the Russian Elon Musks?

        Most likely they exist, but the Chemezov-Manturovs and others who are sitting in their chairs are not giving them a chance. And I’m not sure if they don’t give it only out of fear of losing a profitable position, or out of stupidity. I do not exclude outright sabotage and sabotage.
        1. +1
          5 March 2024 19: 33
          Just what is their benefit so that they would do this. You have to invest a lot of money, then wait a long time for everything to pay off, and then suddenly it doesn’t pay off... During this time, they can spend this money through speculative schemes and earn much more... An example from Crimea during the civil war, that the Wrangel government allocated funds to effective private entrepreneurs for the construction of factories (tobacco and some others), time passed, there were no factories, they began to find out what was going on, but it turned out that these effective ones used all the money they received in grain speculation, which brought them a profit of 1200%. Well, what kind of production will provide at least a tenth of this income!?
          1. 0
            5 March 2024 19: 42
            Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
            Just what is their benefit so that they would do this.

            What benefits can a civil servant of this caliber think about? Only about the state. If a civil servant of any rank begins to engage in business, he should be immediately expelled from the civil service. And not just drive him away, but give him a residence permit for eleven years in the Magadan or Vorkuta regions. There is simply no other way.
      3. +18
        4 March 2024 09: 14
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Where are the Russian Elon Musks?

        People like I. Musk are inconvenient for any political system, and even more so for our vertical, deadly dangerous. Therefore, in Russia we are unlikely to see such brilliant creators in the foreseeable future. For the primary task of any political system is to ensure its security and continued functioning. In other words, they don't need smart people, they need loyal ones.
        And that's only half the trouble. The most disgusting thing is that even with such a difficult situation in the country, the rulers are not going to re-industrialize the country. This is clearly visible in the key rate, taxation in general, and for industry in particular. And also on prices and tariffs for fuel and energy.
        1. +4
          4 March 2024 13: 19
          Quote: Zoer
          The rulers are not going to reindustrialize the country.

          Reindustrialization without nationalization is impossible!
          And here we are talking about new privatization...
          1. +7
            4 March 2024 15: 05
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Reindustrialization without nationalization is impossible!

            Yes, with such managers as are now observed in state corporations, it is impossible even with nationalization.
            On the other hand, the state must simply create favorable conditions for production and technology. I have listed these conditions, but I can repeat them:
            1. A high-quality education system, with an emphasis on the technical profile.
            2. High-quality medical system.
            3. Low interest rates on loans for industrialists.
            4. Preferential taxation for industrialists.
            5. Cheap electricity and fuel.
            6. Direct government investment in critical industries (microelectronics), with strict control over results.
            1. +7
              4 March 2024 16: 54
              I can easily show you why the current leadership of the country with the current system will not do this. What does it have to do with the points you indicated.
              So, they won't do it because:
              1) This will require an investment of money
              2) This will also require an investment of money
              3) It will reduce profits
              4) And this will also reduce profits
              5) Will also greatly reduce profits
              7) And here... we also need big investments!!!!

              In modern Russia there is classical liberal capitalism. A lot of profits are privatized and costs are nationalized. As a result, the state WILL NOT have money to invest in all this. And private state corporations DO NOT WANT to cut profits for the sake of some cloudy chances for economic growth, which may already be cut off due to some kind of sanctions or economic crisis, or even because the country’s leadership changes and will pursue a completely different policy. Our state corporations only need quick profits, not long-term ones.
              As a result, now the country's leadership cannot fulfill this (there is not so much money, resources and financial reserves). Private corporations do not want to do this, since this means giving away profits into something that may not pay off at all. And the people are generally detached from decisions in the country’s politics and economy.
              1. +2
                4 March 2024 20: 16
                Quote: Mustachioed Kok
                I can easily show you why the current leadership of the country with the current system will not do this. What does it have to do with the points you indicated.

                That's right. Add to all this the fact that in an industrialized country the majority of the population is educated and capable of thinking critically, and this is the primary threat to the existing vertical of power and the clan-oligarchic elite of the country. Therefore, this economic model will never be implemented by these people.
                1. -1
                  5 March 2024 07: 07
                  Quote: Zoer
                  Add to all this the fact that in an industrialized country the majority of the population is educated and capable of critical thinking

                  Can you give an example of such a country? Where is the majority of the population educated and able to think critically? USA? Germany? Japan? South Korea?
                  1. +1
                    5 March 2024 08: 40
                    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                    Can you give an example of such a country? Where is the majority of the population educated and able to think critically? USA? Germany? Japan? South Korea?

                    You got everything right. They have forgotten China. In all of these countries, technology is developed, and the standard of living of THINKING, educated people in general is higher than ours. But that's not the main thing. They don’t have regular “jumps” or “jerks” with “accelerations” every 8-10 years. In 26 years, since 1998, we have already had the 4th star in the country, so that the ruble is falling by 2 or more times and the population is sharply impoverished to a certain level. People and businesses go bankrupt, and start all over again.
                    And they are completely independent of technology imports, unlike us. And they know how to defend their interests at the very least. Remind me how the yellow vest protests in France ended? Now the farmers there are bent over their government with 404 in such a way that it’s funny to watch. We have a thread right there full of smart guys whose liberals and navalnya are to blame for everything. And in the absence of aviation, and industry, etc. and so on.
                    1. +2
                      5 March 2024 09: 59
                      In fact, it's even a little scary. With every decade, our position is getting closer and closer to the position of some country in Latin America!!!
                2. 0
                  6 March 2024 13: 25
                  But on the other hand, the reduction of schools, the deterioration and primitivization of education are being successfully implemented, so that it would be easier to manage the herd.
              2. +9
                4 March 2024 21: 12
                "In modern Russia there is classical liberal capitalism" ///
                ----
                Of course not. If it were a classic liberal one, Russia would be far ahead.
                Russia is stuck in a semi-public, semi-private oligarchic
                capitalism of the Latin American type.
                As it were, “northern Brazil”.
                Moscow officials get into any big business and destroy it,
                gnawing out all the talented professionals from it and replacing them with
                their own kind - obedient and prone to theft - subordinates.
                1. -2
                  5 March 2024 07: 11
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Of course not. If it were a classic liberal one, Russia would be far ahead.

                  That is, it is necessary to carry out even greater liberalization of the economy, privatize all the remains and excommunicate the state from the slightest opportunity to influence and manage this economy! And then we’ll live! In short, will the market decide everything itself?
                  1. +2
                    5 March 2024 10: 19
                    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                    That is, it is necessary to carry out even greater liberalization of the economy, privatize all the remains and excommunicate the state from the slightest opportunity to influence and manage this economy! And then we’ll live! In short, will the market decide everything itself?

                    You either need to take off the cross or put on panties.
                    The state has no influence on THIS economy at all. Several oligarchic clans involved in trading the resources of our country have influence. Everything else works to SUPPORT this system. And the military-industrial complex as well. And it was brought to a deplorable state only because those oligarchs did not believe until the very end that the West would abandon them))) naive))))
                    So now the situation in the country has become such that these same oligarchs are not allowing any other industries in the country to develop. So yes, you need to either let go of the reins and give the opportunity to independently develop a business, medium and small. But of course with government regulation. The Tax Service, FAS, FSB and other departments must monitor compliance with the law in business and labor relations. Or, indeed, nationalize the country’s mineral resources and leave manufacturing firms to private owners, but under state control, as is done in China. But in ANY case, there must be a ban/restriction on the withdrawal of capital from the country. He should work FOR this country, not for our enemies.
                    1. +2
                      5 March 2024 11: 59
                      Quote: Zoer
                      He should work FOR this country, not for our enemies.

                      So he works for THIS country! Specifically - on those who own it! A country is not a spherical horse in a vacuum. A country is, first of all, a RULING CLASS, in whose interests everything happens! And the State is just a tool in the hands of the ruling class! It is also not on its own. And this tool, oh how (!) it affects THIS economy!
                      1. +1
                        5 March 2024 13: 04
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        A country is, first of all, a RULING CLASS

                        Not at all. A country is a people first and foremost. Territories, and then the management system, and lastly the managers of this system. This is the first thing.
                        And secondly, but the most important thing is that THESE capitals that they withdrew did not even work for our elite and are not working now, even more so. Who did Chelsea work for? For whom did the American bonds work, in which our country's oil and gas leaders invested? Who were all these offshore trillions working for? To Abramovich and Deripaska with the Rottenbergs? I beg you, at best they saw 5 percent of this river)))
                      2. +1
                        6 March 2024 13: 29
                        So it’s like we’re talking about the state, and not about the country? The ruling class pays less taxes, receives all kinds of gratuitous financial injections, and adopts the laws they need through government agencies in their own interests. We need to save the Cypriot banking system (where Russian oligarchs kept their finances), please, the Russian state is saving the Cypriot banking system from budget funds
                      3. 0
                        8 March 2024 08: 34
                        A country is a people first and foremost

                        A country is a territory of people and elite, policy is determined by none other than the elite.

                        Who did Chelsea work for?

                        This is the same liberalism, that is, freedom, the oligarch believes that Chelsea is beneficial to him personally and no one can forbid him to think so within the framework of freedom/liberalism. This can be prohibited within the framework of the dictatorship of the proletariat, or a tax can be imposed on the purchase of foreign real estate, which is what they do in the states.
                        The USA, it turns out, gives freedom of movement of capital but at the same time collects taxes.
                2. -2
                  5 March 2024 07: 11
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Of course not. If it were a classic liberal one, Russia would be far ahead.

                  That is, it is necessary to carry out even greater liberalization of the economy, privatize all the remains and excommunicate the state from the slightest opportunity to influence and manage this economy! And then we’ll live! In short, will the market decide everything itself?
              3. 0
                5 March 2024 18: 54
                And that capitalism can be liberal, totalitarian, and all kinds of others? It seems like it is the same everywhere and works according to the same principles, and there is no need to add extra words to it
            2. 0
              5 March 2024 07: 04
              Quote: Zoer
              1. A high-quality education system, with an emphasis on the technical profile.
              2. High-quality medical system.
              3. Low interest rates on loans for industrialists.
              4. Preferential taxation for industrialists.
              5. Cheap electricity and fuel.
              6. Direct government investment in critical industries (microelectronics), with strict control over results.

              All this happened under the USSR without any capitalism. So why fence a garden?
              1. 0
                5 March 2024 08: 30
                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                All this happened under the USSR without any capitalism. So why fence a garden?

                Well, sort of... the USSR collapsed/collapsed. That’s why we can’t live without vegetable gardens now. No one will voluntarily give up all those material benefits and luxury that our elites had on the corpse of the USSR in favor of ANY of the most beautiful ideas/ideologies. And organizing a civil war, like the one in 1917, is tantamount to the final destruction of the country, and possibly the whole world.
                1. 0
                  5 March 2024 08: 47
                  Quote: Zoer
                  And organizing a civil war, like the one in 1917, is tantamount to the final destruction of the country, and possibly the whole world.

                  Why not according to the 1991 model? As if it had happened without the destruction of the World...
                  1. 0
                    5 March 2024 08: 58
                    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                    Why not according to the 1991 model? As if it had happened without the destruction of the World...

                    Because those people who are now in power/in the distribution of the country’s mineral wealth dismantled the USSR. There was a "revolution" from above. Moreover, the people have been fooled quite well with freedom, the wind of change and other nonsense, such as free money, the division of the property of the USSR for everyone - the same voucher, etc. and so on. With all this, the people were simply deceived, even the referendum for preserving the USSR was sent to hell. Moreover, there were attempts to stop the robbery of the country twice. In 1993 and 1996, when EBN was NOT chosen, but Zyuganov drifted away from making waves. And so there was every chance of another bloodbath.
                    Here Chubais clearly explained everything:
                    https://youtu.be/M4_ogOx6YZg?si=l3IblE1vL5Uys4gI
                2. 0
                  5 March 2024 08: 47
                  Quote: Zoer
                  And organizing a civil war, like the one in 1917, is tantamount to the final destruction of the country, and possibly the whole world.

                  Why not according to the 1991 model? As if it had happened without the destruction of the World...
                3. 0
                  5 March 2024 10: 07
                  I would like to note that there were examples of socialist countries. a block where there were no problems with material goods and luxury goods (or were insignificant). This includes the Baltic states, the GDR and Yugoslavia (of course, this is not a social bloc, but a non-aligned bloc, but still a region friendly to us with a socially oriented economy). Moreover, in terms of production, even in the history of the USSR there was a period when it was not difficult to find material goods. This is the period of the 50s
                  Since at that time there were still a large number of various shops and workshops that were engaged in the production of small-scale goods (including luxury goods). The difficulty was that after the revolution, then the civil war, then WWII, the population did not yet have the money for mass consumption of these goods (and therefore the production itself could not continue to develop). And then with the reforms in the Khrushchev era, all this was abolished and small private shops and workshops sank into oblivion.
                  The only question was how the country's leadership planned to develop this sector. After the Second World War, the country’s leadership decided to leave it to chance and even openly abandoned it, although the examples of Yugoslavia and the GDR show that it is possible to make a variety of “goodies”.
                4. 0
                  5 March 2024 19: 00
                  In the tales of Isop, when the townspeople had a choice to fight for their freedom or lie under a ruler who wanted to capture them, Isop said something like: “Refusal to fight is like a wide good road, which the further you go, the worse and worse it gets.” and will be accompanied by torment and will end on the chopping block. And the struggle for freedom is a narrow, difficult path, which the further you go, the wider and better it will be, and in the end everyone will be happy"
          2. 0
            5 March 2024 19: 37
            What do you mean about new? The old one hasn't stopped yet. A lot of things are sold every year, worth billions.
            1. 0
              6 March 2024 06: 11
              Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
              The old one hasn't stopped yet. A lot of things are sold every year, worth billions.

              In 1992, as a result of the privatization of the Kuchuk sulphate plant, OJSC "Kuchuksulfate" appeared, a large block of shares belongs to the company's management. What kind of privatization can there be now? It has been private since 1992...
      4. +12
        4 March 2024 11: 39
        Everyone has the same merits - they don’t go before the “father” into hell. One of them, Manturov, had previously done nothing good for aviation, he only slowed down its development, as with the NK-93. What better can we expect from him now?
      5. +7
        4 March 2024 12: 22
        Where are the Russian Elon Musks?

        In the USSR, until 1970, the best always made it through!!! The talent and opinion of Stalin-trained experts worked when NECESSARY in the interests of the USSR.

        In modern Russia, the best do not want to put up with the described disgrace, they do not want to spend productive years “breaking through” because these talents will find top applications in the world.

        Modern Russia cannot be a field of application for a person of the caliber of Korolev, Glushko, Kotelnikov, academician. Prokhorov, Semenov, Landau, Cherenkov, Kapitsa... Elon Musk, Steve Jobs... for reasons...

        And you yourself add how...

        As a radio engineer who served in the Army as a corporal in the ORNR in the Shilok battery of the 12th Guards SME, 1971-1972 Kaliningrad Region, reading this article is HORROR - inhumane!! This is a real radio engineering nightmare...
      6. +1
        4 March 2024 15: 42
        Which presidential candidate would you like to ask this to? And in general, which of the presidential candidates can you remember now without Googling? Personally, I am alone, invincible for a quarter of a century.
        1. +5
          4 March 2024 17: 26
          Quote: golen
          Which presidential candidate would you like to ask this to?

          Don't you know? Putin V.V. True, he only answers questions to which he has prepared answers...
          Quote: golen
          You can remember now without Googling.

          Many people. Only their programs were primitive. Maybe I would choose N.N. Platoshkin. or Nikolai Bondarenko, if one had not “turned out to be an extremist”, and the other too young and daring...
          * * *
          Do you know that the civil service law requires retirement after seventy years of age? In this aspect, the relevant question is who in the country should decide the need for an official (manager of a state corporation) over 70 years of age (including a presidential candidate)? After all, we have already passed a certain stage in the history of political gerontophilia in the USSR?
          Should it be a special commission or should the issue be decided by voting in a certain manner?
          What could be the deciding factor: the to-do list, the conclusion of the medical commission, or what other factors?
          In the law, this is determined by those who have a direct interest in the lackey environment, and not by business specialists...
          * * *
          Just the other day, one “Kinder Surprise” announced the recruitment of leaders to the school from among those who were talented and who had demonstrated their civic consciousness. Why am I not inclined to trust him? Maybe I can’t erase 1998 from my memory?
          1. 0
            4 March 2024 18: 45
            Regarding the recruitment of executives, you are a little late. The selection has already taken place. We read and danced: (“The Chairman of the Supervisory Board of the Leaders of Russia competition, Sergei Kiriyenko, congratulated the winners of the Leaders of Russia competition: “Becoming a super finalist is already a big victory. 160 thousand people submitted applications, the competition was about 500 people per place. But you became the best and proved their leadership by taking advantage of the opportunity provided by Russian President Vladimir Putin. The President launched a personnel platform through which every person can realize their potential. This is not the case anywhere in the world. You are joining a fairly large powerful family of “Leaders of Russia”, where there are many leaders of the highest level "Among the winners are 5 governors of Russian regions, 10 mayors of cities, 6 first deputies or deputy federal ministers. Graduates occupy high positions in government agencies and private companies. Leaders must lead," said Sergei Kirichenko.") Tears are still flowing pride for your country. I know that all of them, the newly created “Dealers of Russia”, already this month will go to rebuild the cities and villages of the long-suffering Donbass destroyed by the Ukrainian Nazis, to raise industry and the national economy in the New Regions of Russia, and the best of the best will have the right to defend their Motherland with arms in hand on the battlefield.
      7. +3
        4 March 2024 18: 30
        Quote: ROSS 42
        If all this production is in the paddock, then it is appropriate to ask the same presidential candidate, why the hell are both the Minister of Industry and Trade and the same Chemezov content with more than half a billion annual income? For what merits exactly were these people placed in key positions?

        My vassal's vassal, not my vassal.
        In feudal resources, all industries are turned into rent for nobles and their clans, who turn this rent into personal income. It is impossible to remove a noble, otherwise the entire structure of agreements between the remaining nobles will be disrupted. Therefore, no personnel decisions will be made in the event of failures before leaving for natural reasons. No one knows whether the resource will survive this
      8. 0
        5 March 2024 10: 15
        And what answer will you hear? "Oh, they promised us... We believed... We were led by the nose... Well, it just so happened that now"
      9. +3
        5 March 2024 14: 02
        Dear ROSS 42! I’ll start with the Russian “Elon Musks”... They all, long ago, moved over the “hill” or are looking for a way to get there.. Under the current socio-economic system of Russia and the so-called “market” economy, the process of degradation of thought, decency, diligence, dedication to the cause and ideas will continue to degrade and worsen... The current new Russian "boyars", together with the "5th column" will fight to the last for a place at the state trough for themselves, their relatives and friends... And therefore the country will continue to be “cut up” in an obvious or hidden form... In Russia, for 30 years, patriotism, thriftiness, love of the country, culture, education, health care and social policy were “raped”, encouraging selfishness and “not giving a damn”, putting it at the forefront a dollar and only a dollar... And now they “wanted” to return everything and everyone that they buried and trampled... It doesn’t happen, even if you really want to... It’s difficult to create something new in such conditions if there are no “backlogs” left on the shelves from the distant USSR...
      10. +2
        7 March 2024 14: 23
        Where are the Russian Elon Musks?

        Russian Elon Musk can, after all, show up for the elections and promote most of the annoying candidates....
      11. 0
        April 24 2024 00: 33
        There will be no Ilonov Musks because... The main thing is not business qualities, not intelligence, but DEVOTION to the body of the illustrious.
    2. +20
      4 March 2024 06: 30
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Not only are there no AWACS aircraft, but also reconnaissance, electronic warfare, and tankers!!!

      Yes, the democrat guys, starting with Eltsin, did a great job destroying the Soviet aviation industry. Not a single American, not a single European betrays their country like the former “ours,” even if they are Russian.
      1. +37
        4 March 2024 07: 14
        After Eltsin there is already a different person in power
        Much longer than Eltsin
        But are you afraid to write his last name?
        1. +22
          4 March 2024 08: 28
          Quote: Ivan№One
          But are you afraid to write his last name?

          What about Harry Potter, this is someone who cannot be named, but we can say that we are now the first economy in Europe, and the fifth in the world...
          Probably in some other world, I don’t know, we even have pencils and nails from China...
          1. +3
            4 March 2024 16: 57
            It may be the first economy in Europe. Considering how actively we even now sell our resources to the world market. They are selling off the country’s wealth, and are proud that they are “first in Europe and fifth in the World.” The same China and the USA are building their economies not on raw materials, but on production, and on the contrary, they are trying to conserve resources more and more (so that if the hour comes, they can provide themselves with everything they need).
        2. -25
          4 March 2024 09: 29
          Quote: Ivan№One
          But are you afraid to write his last name?

          What was done under Eltsin, no ruler can correct in 20 years. And now Russia can fight against the entire NATO. There is a lot that has not been done, but there is also a lot of what Russia is currently fighting with that is no worse than the West. For us who ended up in the West after the collapse (there are about 20 million of them), Putin is our only hope.
          1. +25
            4 March 2024 10: 18
            Quote: carpenter
            And now Russia can fight against the entire NATO.

            You know, an athlete can run even if weights are attached to his feet. Some people run with backpacks filled with sand. But this is only so that the body gets used to the heaviness, and can give out everything in full and more when these chains are removed.
            Our Russia is like a horse that pulls a cart, sniffles, sweats, but drags it with all its strength, and everything is loaded and loaded for it... And not at all in order to someday remove this burden, so that there is a leap forward.. They want this horse to die on the road. I don’t see any purpose anymore...Will this be useful to us, will we be able to survive this, that is the question.
          2. +6
            4 March 2024 10: 21
            Quote: carpenter
            What was done under Eltsin, no ruler can correct in 20 years.

            Have you heard about Stalin's five-year plans?
            and he accepted the country after the 1st World War and Civil War
            For some reason it took him less than 20 years, without any margin of safety from his ancestors, by the way
            1. -2
              4 March 2024 11: 58
              it took him less than 20 years

              With huge sacrifices, and it’s not as if the country was all that well prepared for WW2. sad

              And then again we had to overcome this unpreparedness during the war through the sacrifices and heroism of ordinary men.
              1. 0
                4 March 2024 13: 27
                Quote: Netl
                And then again we had to overcome this unpreparedness during the war through the sacrifices and heroism of ordinary men.

                Yes, yes, I’ve already heard all these Vlasov-liberal tales. Not thanks to, but in spite of... The people themselves fought, the leadership had nothing to do with it... Penal battalions won the war... Special officers and detachments shot everyone... They showered them with corpses... Etc. and so on.
                1. +3
                  4 March 2024 15: 10
                  The people themselves fought

                  The people do not fight anywhere themselves, however, the quality of leadership varies.

                  You have written some strange “fairy tales”, but in essence you have not written anything. What if the USSR had been better prepared for war, both organizationally and logistically, then there would have been fewer sacrifices to win the war. Especially in 1941-1942.

                  In particular, the Vlasov you mentioned is one of these organizational mistakes. He was never distinguished by military talents, however, he successfully occupied higher and higher positions and was even glorified in the press as a hero of the Battle of Moscow, essentially just for chatter. sad
            2. 0
              4 March 2024 15: 17
              Quote: Ivan№One
              Have you heard about Stalin's five-year plans?


              We heard, but I hope you haven’t forgotten that they were not here but in another socialist country. Have you seen any five-year plans in the Russian Empire? After all, modern capital society is much closer to the Russian Empire than to the RSFSR and the USSR
            3. +2
              4 March 2024 15: 39
              Quote: Ivan№One
              Have you heard about Stalin's five-year plans?

              Well, how much can you compare? Then there was a different country, a different system. All human and material resources were in the same hands. Stalin could stamp his foot and everyone would stand upright. Those who haven’t stretched themselves out are welcome to the “sharashka”, to digging the White Sea Canal or to logging. And now we live in a “democratic” country, and we need to look at what the “liberal public”, international organizations, bloggers and experts all over the Internet will say... And the Russian “elite” has many times more money than the state treasury . It is this “elite” that rules the country. Do you think she accepted the same message from the president to implement? Like Krylov - “And Vaska listens and eats”
            4. 0
              4 March 2024 17: 11
              Quote: Ivan№One
              Have you heard about Stalin's five-year plans?

              Under I.V. Stalin, I went to first grade. I haven't forgotten those good times.
            5. -3
              5 March 2024 06: 45
              Fuck your Stalinist five-year plans.
              At what a colossal cost of millions of victims, he spent these five-year plans breaking through his knee.
              And if it weren’t for this vile revolutionary scum, we would have won the First World War and become the first economy in the world.
              The Bolsheviks destroyed everything, and then began to heroically restore everything, but they were never able to achieve the economic takeoff of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1913.
              1. 0
                5 March 2024 16: 57
                Quote from The Watcher
                At what a colossal cost of millions of victims, he spent these five-year plans breaking through his knee.

                Read the manual, boys from the town, this was life, and now it’s existence.
              2. 0
                5 March 2024 20: 25
                I'm not very familiar with history! Read more primary sources, and not “bedtime stories” by E. Radzinsky and Vitaly Korotich... Although this is welcomed in the TsIPsO Ukroreich...
              3. +1
                6 March 2024 15: 16
                What is the heroic takeoff? The fact that instead of one enterprise they built another one, which gives an increase of 50%? Or was there nothing at all and they built one, then generally 100%? Although the Republic of Ingushetia was the 6th economy in the world, it was like China in a certain position before the industry of the first four leading countries. An agricultural country with a largely illiterate population. Sickles, shovels and scythes were ordered from Japan. The automobile production is about 150-200 cars per year, at a time when France produced 48000, and the USA 440 cars, with similar proportions with tractors. In total, in 000 there were 1910 cars in the Republic of Ingushetia, while in France there were more than 3600, and in the USA about 500. The country did not know how to produce bearings; aircraft engines were all cranked. Google the table of weapons production in the First World War, where the Republic of Ingushetia has parity only in the production of rifles and cartridges, and in the production of other types of weapons the lag is 000-3 times, and some types were never put into production (the same helmets, tanks, siege weapons ). They mobilized 000 million, but they could not keep more than 000 million at the front, since there was nothing to arm them with. And with what are you going to come out on top, ahead of France, Germany, the British Empire and the USA, with your fantasies? At the same time, RI is one of the world's main debtors, many areas of the economy are bought up by foreigners: the hay market is 3% owned by the British (this is gasoline, in a country where there are no cars and everything is on horses), tram transport is 10% French and Belgian, metallurgy is 7% bought up foreigners, the banking sector is more than 2.5%, etc., etc.... and it would end with everything being bought up and paid off for debts and hello gentlemen colonists. ... And since the industry of the Republic of Ingushetia was already lagging behind the leaders, and during WWI and the Civil War it fell even further into the abyss, Stalin had to do the Five Year Plans as he did, otherwise they would have met Hitler in 100 with a bare bottom. There was no choice to do or not to do, there was a choice at any cost or to be enslaved: “We are 100-40 years behind advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we will do this, or we will be crushed..."
          3. +16
            4 March 2024 11: 41
            Under Yeltsin, Russia produced 36 civil aircraft per year in 1998. Under Putin, the money for the Tu 334 was wasted, the MC 21 still won’t take off, the replacement for the An2 is still flying in the clouds, the replacements for the An 24 and An 12 are all in the distant future, and the 100 has eaten up so much money.
            1. +1
              6 March 2024 14: 57
              Apparently the goal is to earn money, not to get results
          4. -2
            4 March 2024 12: 06
            I will tell you a terrible secret, which, nevertheless, will not shake your faith for a second))). Under Yeltsin, more enterprises and industries were closed than after him))) under him, at the very least, the sky was smoky.
            1. +12
              4 March 2024 14: 12
              I’ll tell you a very terrible secret, under Putin they not only closed it, but allocated money for the construction of a new enterprise, and after five years there was no enterprise and no money, then again they transferred production to another plant and again the same picture. Hospitals and medical centers were previously closed, now it’s like a new one, optimization and utilization of budget money. As the Guarantor said, improving the well-being of the population, previously bought for 500 rubles now for 700 rubles.
              1. -5
                5 March 2024 06: 48
                Don't talk nonsense, another liberal nonsense. How bad everything is under Putin, we’re already sick of it...
                1. +1
                  5 March 2024 08: 00
                  You, it’s so good under Putin. I think it's worse in heaven.
          5. +4
            4 March 2024 20: 17
            Quote: carpenter
            Putin is the only hope.

            That's not what you're hoping for.
            1. 0
              4 March 2024 20: 23
              Quote: VasAndr
              Putin is the only hope.

              That's not what you're hoping for.

              Then tell me who you hope for? Maybe on Dovankov or the USA?
              1. +1
                4 March 2024 20: 36
                Quote: carpenter
                Then tell me who you hope for?

                Today's Russia survives on what was created in the USSR, the betrayal and destruction of which made you outcasts on your land. So I hope for the restoration of Soviet power. In pursuit of this, it is necessary to unite citizens of the former USSR. I don’t yet know who will be the leader in the restoration movement.
                1. 0
                  4 March 2024 20: 37
                  Quote: VasAndr
                  I don’t yet know who will be the leader in the restoration movement.

                  Well, at least someone knows this, or no one knows?
                  1. 0
                    4 March 2024 20: 54
                    Quote: carpenter
                    Well, at least someone knows this, or no one knows?

                    If I knew that someone knew, I would try to find out from him.)
                    For now, I have to evaluate the people who come into my field of vision based on my understanding. In absentia I see those who can be hoped for, but it is not for me to declare them leaders.
                    I also hope that, if you wish, you will figure out for yourself who represents whose interests in deeds, and not in words.
                    1. 0
                      4 March 2024 21: 11
                      Quote: VasAndr
                      I also hope that, if you wish, you will figure out for yourself who represents whose interests in deeds, and not in words.

                      Everything there is so complicated that it’s impossible to understand.
              2. 0
                5 March 2024 15: 27
                I'm personally on myself. Why is everything so bad without Putin?
              3. 0
                6 March 2024 14: 56
                This is just such a hint, not Putin - it means the USA (if Navalny were alive, they would definitely have included him)
                1. 0
                  6 March 2024 15: 33
                  Why do I need the USA, I don’t feel bad at home. I have my own brains, but you have a zombie box, if tomorrow there is another, you will also repeat the mantra, if not him, then who. Do you love Chubais
              4. 0
                9 March 2024 10: 39
                Want a serious answer? I hope for big businesses that will get tired of participating in this farce and reform their politics. system from above. There will be 2-3 real parties that will pursue the interests of real business and then it will not matter who the president is and who the minister is, you can even choose an 86-year-old crazy grandfather like Biden. And nothing will change. But, as I see, business prefers to migrate from here to anywhere, since, unfortunately, they do not see a future here.
          6. +2
            6 March 2024 14: 53
            ... For comparison, let’s take the USSR after the Civil War and add 24 years, we get 1946 - what successes did the USSR achieve during this time? Then let’s take 1945 + 24 = 1969, what successes did the USSR achieve?... Or was Yeltsin’s rule worse than the civil rule and Hitler’s combined? But why did Putin then build the Yeltsin Center for him at a cost of billions of budget rubles? And what kind of president is this that, to justify the lack of success, someone is always to blame, then Lenin, then Yeltsin, those people are not like that.
          7. 0
            April 24 2024 00: 36
            Stalin did it in 10 years. The current one cannot do this; the mentality, to put it mildly, is not the same. Yes, and authority.
        3. +12
          4 March 2024 12: 01
          Of course we are afraid. Now, in order to write a comment, you need a whole staff of lawyers sitting next to you, and there are no guarantees...
        4. -13
          4 March 2024 13: 08
          Under Yeltsin, everything fell apart, and pro-Western puppets were installed in all key positions, receiving money from there. The Liberals have all the finances of the country. Yes, in 20 years a lot has been done and production has been launched, but at the same time these liberal devils are harming and are still doing harm. And how do you propose to rebuild completely from scratch after the 80s and 90s, when the liberals in the Kremlin are still yelling that this is not necessary, that we will buy everything for petrodollars. It may take more than a dozen years to restore and eradicate this evil spirit at the top, but you only need 20 years. Whether your beloved Yeltsin continues, or his hangers-on like Navalny or Nadezhdin, then 15 years ago we had nothing, not even Russia.
          1. +11
            4 March 2024 14: 16
            So under Yeltsin, Chubais worked for ten years, and under Putin he stole for 22 years and more. Then he calmly drove off and nothing happened. Probably others are to blame for this. A lot of examples can be given.
            1. -12
              4 March 2024 15: 20
              You don’t understand the economy of our country and all the consequences if Putin immediately clamped down on the liberal tower of the Kremlin. The consequences for the country would be terrible. Sometimes you have to go slowly but surely. There is no need to think only narrowly and in parts, but on a large scale.
              1. +8
                4 March 2024 17: 48
                What is the Russian economy, sell resources overseas, hide some of the money there, and buy something with the rest. The guarantor thinks so grandly that for some reason everyone is deceiving him, he begins multi-steps and ends up with a new term, well, it’s not enough to steer for 22 years, hopefully.
            2. -4
              4 March 2024 15: 29
              So are you an apologist for the saints of the 90s?
              Do you not know what continuity is? After all, such power was transferred not out of the blue, but on certain conditions. The person was studied, it was checked whether he could be trusted, whether he would not let him down in the future. He didn’t disappoint, he fulfilled his promise and went on his way. You can nominate yourself if you feel strong enough to lead Russia. What if you are the one who is needed? But who wants Russia or international corporations? The goals here are already different, although the slogans are the same - for all the good against all the bad
              1. +3
                4 March 2024 17: 53
                And if our country is destined to be a great power, then it will be not thanks to nuclear weapons or Western investments, not thanks to faith in God or the president, but thanks to the work of its people, faith in knowledge, in science, thanks to the preservation and development of scientific potential and education. This was said by Zhores Alferov.
              2. +4
                4 March 2024 17: 59
                What is happening today is pushing me to become a liberal. Because you can be a statist when the state takes care of its citizens. But if a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical care, accumulate a pension from his own funds, pay for housing and utilities in full, at market prices, then why do I need such a state?! Why on earth should I still pay taxes and maintain an insane army of officials? I have always said at all levels that healthcare, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state dumps this concern on ourselves, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us!” (from the book “Power without Brains. Who are Academicians Interfering with”).
                Zhores Alferov
              3. -1
                5 March 2024 09: 14
                They wrote it correctly, it’s strange that there are cons... request
      2. +2
        4 March 2024 16: 15
        As a rule, these “Russians” calmly withdraw their money from Russia and go to their historical homeland in Israel or the Mecca of Civilization - London. After all, no one and nothing prevented them, during the period of comfortable living in Russia, from obtaining a second citizenship and stealing money in the country they disgustingly call “Rashka”. Yes, maybe I didn’t notice and something has changed since 2022?
    3. AAK
      +22
      4 March 2024 07: 08
      For whom they fought, that’s what they ran into... and this is in such a huge number of issues that the absence of a normal AWACS aircraft for the Aerospace Forces for 30 years (of which 20 years at the 1st and 5 years at the 2nd post of the Great), As for the situation, there is nothing here, there is no basic aircraft, there is no normal engine, there are no electronics at all, but there is a blast from every machine around the clock...
      1. +22
        4 March 2024 08: 39
        You read articles on similar topics - and your hair stands on end! Only one word comes to mind - DESTRUCTION! Lord, how could such a country be brought to THIS! belay
        1. +15
          4 March 2024 10: 00
          What did you want? As is the pop, so is the arrival...
      2. -1
        4 March 2024 20: 25
        Quote: AAK
        For whom they fought, that’s what they ran into...

        And now everyone has forgotten that we all took part in the collapse of the USSR, and now we are angels.
    4. +11
      4 March 2024 08: 55
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Civil aviation failure

      For AWACS, the main thing is the elemental base; at the very least, airplanes can be built, even if they are outdated and consume a lot, they can still be built. But where can you get domestic electronic components (no one sells imported ones), but there are literally none of your own. The electronics industry has been completely destroyed. Personally, I believe that the main resources should be devoted to creating corporations for the development and production of microelectronics. It will be unprofitable, but this is natural, but it will provide us with real independence. And so, unfortunately, we are a third world country. And our decisions are made based on the premise that it is better to buy than to produce (here you have to think about being able to do something other than buy and sell).
      1. -7
        4 March 2024 13: 11
        Quote: qqqq
        But where can you get domestic electronic components (no one sells imported ones), but there are literally none of your own.

        Where does the element base for the S400 radar come from? For shells, for Su-35? I think if the shell radar is raised to 10 km and rotated accordingly, then it will be able to detect targets at 200 km. And the An-2 will probably drag him away.
    5. +12
      4 March 2024 12: 49
      First, we need to educate and raise a generation of engineers. A generation of economists and lawyers cannot cope with anything other than transferring money to offshore companies. So in 10 years, maybe they will begin to develop the element base so that in another 10 years they can design an aircraft. Total 20 years + favorite terms to the right... A modern aircraft with a completely local micro...not "tube" and not Chinese...filling is possible in 2045... In the meantime, the Micron plant began producing the first native microcontroller... Before microprocessors, how on foot... yes, China is closer... even if you harness turtles to the cart.
      PS: but there is a “culture” channel on TV. There is no “science” channel. The country of winning lyricists. When the heroes of the new generation are singers, TikTokers and other buffoons
      1. +2
        4 March 2024 15: 06
        Quote: Last centurion
        So in 10 years, maybe they will begin to develop the element base so that in another 10 years they can design an aircraft. Total 20 years

        To do this, it is now necessary to nurture and groom engineering personnel and invest money, and very large amounts, in technical education. At the same time, it is far from a fact that we will get something at the output. China has been investing for many decades, but has not moved away from copying. Personally, I see that apart from talking, nothing much is being done. We need to replace the elite with people capable of creating, and not selling, the Motherland.
        1. +1
          4 March 2024 17: 04
          China copies so much that it is already building all strategic sectors. They copied them en masse in the 80s and 90s, and a little in the 2000s. Therefore, we learned, gained experience and built an infrastructure and continue to produce and develop ourselves. The Europeans learned how to make high-speed railways in the 2000s, and now they have the most developed network of high-speed railways in the world, and many countries are now learning from THEM.
          Or remember our history. When in the 30s we actively adopted technologies, copied and learned from Western industrialists. And then, based on this experience, we developed
          industry into an independent industry.
          1. +2
            5 March 2024 08: 48
            Quote: Mustachioed Kok
            And then, based on this experience, we developed
            industry into an independent industry.

            I do not deny the benefits of copying and borrowing. I mean that the Democrats have set us back many decades in this industry. And we need, in fact, to start all over again.
      2. +4
        4 March 2024 17: 45
        Regarding the element base and microprocessors, one knowledgeable person answered like this:
        Yes, there are none. We can even more or less design a chip (as we see in practice) - modern microcircuits are not scribbled on paper with a pencil, as they did 50 years ago, but are written in special languages ​​(VHDL or Verilog), to work with which in the simplest case you need to steal specialized package from root tracker.

        Although here you won’t catch up with modern processors, this is a huge amount of R&D, the results of which are mostly closed. I came across doctoral dissertations on the operation of one processor component - the TLB - the results of which were implemented in the Pentium 1. What is used there in more modern models is a) scary to imagine, b) a trade secret that will be revealed in 30 years.

        Then the time comes to transfer it into the physical body, the fun begins. First, you need to compile the language description into a set of ready-made logical circuits (using specialized software that incels and others write for themselves), optimally distribute the resulting circuits on the crystal (a terribly difficult task, solved on supercomputers with algorithms that no one will share with you), then prepare a set of masks (here greetings from ASML - the whole world is unsuccessfully trying to catch up with their successes, no one has been able to), and actually transfer the “drawing” to silicon in hundreds of layers and thousands of steps, the descriptions of which no one here knows and which are not freely available anywhere - they can only be stolen, as China did.

        Plus debugging and testing procedures built in between each stage.

        If you are directly inventing your own architecture, and not just repeating x86, you need to write your own backend for at least GCC and LLVM and build support for your architecture into all popular open-source projects (at least Linux). This is what China is doing with Longsoon.

        I have no doubt that between these big steps I missed hundreds of small ones, which are protected no less than the codes from a nuclear briefcase.

        Here's a quick example: Ultraviolet lithography was first tested in the laboratory in the 1960s, but has only begun to be widely used in factories in the last few years. This is how much time it takes to refine a promising technology until it can be used in practice. Those. We are simply hopelessly behind.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ultraviolet_lithography

        Certain conclusions can be drawn.
    6. +6
      4 March 2024 13: 54
      The failure of civil aviation has led to the fact that we simply do not have aircraft for military aviation, no matter how stupid it may sound.

      I’ll tell you more, failure in all industry areas (not touching mining), except for sawmilling and nameplate re-gluing.
    7. -1
      4 March 2024 17: 18
      It’s not that we don’t have planes, we have a huge fifth column in the government, which led to this situation. And reliance on Western elemental base has nothing to do with it. Purchasing enough components to build two or three dozen AWACS aircraft was not a problem at all, just This should have been done earlier, like in 2005-2007.
    8. +3
      4 March 2024 20: 07
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Not only are there no AWACS aircraft, but also reconnaissance aircraft

      What do you mean no! Not much, but there it is. The Soviet government took care. Now, if these planes had not been built in the USSR, then now there would be exactly 0 (zero) of them.
    9. 0
      6 March 2024 23: 05
      The author of the article, unfortunately, cannot distinguish AWACS and U from AK RLDN. First, I would decipher the abbreviation and find out what half of the RTK Shmel crew does. Therefore, further reading of the article does not make sense. IL-76, as a carrier, has a significant drawback. It consists of a stabilizer located in the upper part of the keel. This arrangement significantly distorts the EMF in the near zone of the antenna. Otherwise, the glider is quite good for at least a six-hour flight. Try flying longer. The flight time of the flight crew is just six hours. I will not describe the composition of the equipment of the AK RLDN, but it is very different from the oil painting by the author, who has never been in the front, let alone the rear cockpit of a Shmel, and does not understand what he is writing about.
      About myself - participant in state tests, control tests and special tests of the A-50 aircraft in 1985 -1991. The A-50 completed state tests at the end of 1985. Control tests (for launch in the 1986 series). Then two years of trial operation and only then put into service. There are a lot of lies in the article and incorrect conclusions based on them.
    10. 0
      8 March 2024 00: 27
      I wouldn't call it a failure. There is a lag, there are suitable platforms. For a long time it was possible to use the 204/214 platform for drills and submarines, and the designers would have done it, but there was no order. Yes, at least use a superjet, but there is no order. The problem is not that they can’t, but somewhere higher... And the problem is with serial factories. They seem to exist, but they need systemic modernization and personnel training, but others no longer exist (Samara, Saratov, Tashkent).
  2. +12
    4 March 2024 04: 50
    Our AWACS aircraft are too vulnerable to attacks from enemy long-range missiles in the northwestern military district.
    Our air defense, unlike the air defense of the Ukronazis, cannot shoot down NATO AWACS aircraft that are engaged in target designation for the Armed Forces of Ukraine striking our cities, the Black Sea Fleet and aviation... this is not normal in principle... we are suffering incomparable losses.
    We need to look for a more effective solution to this problem.
    1. +24
      4 March 2024 08: 40
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      this is not normal at all...

      It would have been normal to resolve everything in 2014, with little bloodshed and within the framework of international law. We took a different path, allowing Nazism to strengthen, recognizing their power. Now we are also “aggressors”, storming head-on the fortified areas that Bandera’s supporters created over 8 years under the Minsk agreements. This adds up to 2 years of SVO, huge costs and human losses. Maybe it was planned this way, for maximum damage to Russia, the whole question is who planned it.
      1. +4
        4 March 2024 10: 04
        I think you know the answer to your question...
      2. -4
        4 March 2024 13: 05
        Quote: Per se.
        It would have been normal to resolve everything in 2014, with little bloodshed and within the framework of international law.

        There was not even food self-sufficiency then.
        And the West was not weakened by its coronaviruses and LGBT+.
        1. +3
          4 March 2024 14: 10
          Quote: Alex777
          And the West was not weakened by its coronaviruses and LGBT+.

          Are you serious, or is this some kind of sophisticated sarcasm? The coronavirus is essentially the use of bacteriological weapons, and Russia also suffered from it, whose authorities supported the idea of ​​its natural origin, instead of insisting on an international investigation into the US crime and compensation for damage.
          There was no food self-sufficiency, and we didn’t sell grain for export to our sworn “friends”? It turns out, thanks to the West, with my sanctions I forced people to move and think about Russia.
          By the way, sanctions began in 2014; our gestures of goodwill and recognition of Poroshenko did not exclude them here. Who prevented in 2014 from recognizing the referendums in Donbass and supporting the “Russian Spring” throughout the southeast of Ukraine, where Russia was expected?
          If we have been preparing for the Northern Military District for 8 years, why, after 2 years of fighting, not only did they not rule out shelling of Donetsk, but they also began to fly to Belgorod and our other cities?
          No, democrat guys, it could have been done better and more efficiently.
          And neither the church nor the tavern -
          Nothing is holy!
          No, guys, it's not like that!
          It's not right guys ...

          1. +3
            4 March 2024 14: 26
            Quote: Per se.
            Are you serious, or is this some kind of sophisticated sarcasm?

            It so happened that I am involved in production.
            In particular, the development and assembly of controllers.
            Therefore, I can well imagine how the global trade in electronic components has become unbalanced during Covid.
            In 2 years, a container from China went from $700 to $17000.
            Therefore, if you are not aware, the coronavirus has hit global trade hard.
            Of course, Covid is a development of the States.
            It is known in which laboratory the leak occurred, after which they transferred the research to Wuhan. Without this transfer, people would still be dying from SARS.
            Container shipping is just a small example.
            Lockdowns across all countries, tens of thousands of deaths from both the virus and vaccines, this and much more, affected the global economy and its weakening.
          2. 0
            8 March 2024 00: 47
            I can't help but agree with you on the whole. But your questions about the past are rhetorical. The question is: has something changed or are we continuing to step on the rake laid out in front of us?
    2. 0
      8 March 2024 00: 38
      There is no such task. How do you imagine the defeat of other countries that we do not consider to be a party to the conflict, especially in international airspace? First, we need certain political steps, ultimatums, in the end. But we, like Leopold the cat, exhort the dead mice to the end with our “let’s live together.” The time for ultimatums has long come, IMHO.
  3. +50
    4 March 2024 04: 51
    When I read articles like this, I understand HOW wretched our military-industrial complex system is, how rotten and stinking it is thanks to its leadership and the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry. The Ministry of Industry and Trade also had a good hand there... But Putin is happy with everything. And Chemezov at his post, and Shoigu, and Manturov. The main thing here is to be loyal to the leader, and the interests of the Motherland and the people are already the least important thing for them... This is how we live. In March, don't forget to vote for A100 on waveguide path and rotating plate
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    2. +1
      4 March 2024 11: 17
      It’s sad, but it’s a fact!
    3. 0
      4 March 2024 12: 08
      Well, the guy is already old, why should he change anything when everything is already good for him. And then there might be a “snuffbox”, good thing, it will again lie in a visible place, at hand. hi
      1. 0
        4 March 2024 16: 57
        Yes, we have one young uncle who went in March 1990 - the result is obvious, that is, we are still wiping snot and tears all over our face! So we can exchange watches for panties, but...!
    4. +3
      4 March 2024 13: 04
      Well, yes, everyone thinks that the other one will be even worse, like there is no one else, but suddenly it won’t be worse, but it will be better...
      1. -1
        4 March 2024 13: 14
        Quote from ugos
        like there’s no one else, what if it doesn’t get worse, but gets better...

        In our time, it cannot be better, but worse is possible and rather more likely.
    5. -4
      5 March 2024 06: 34
      And such articles are written strictly in order to drive you into despondency and make you think that everything is very bad with us and our military-industrial complex system is wretched and rotten. Think about it in your spare time - just think about it.
  4. -22
    4 March 2024 05: 06
    Yes, easily! But, excuse me, they don’t manage budgets in the USA!

    There is not only corruption in the United States, but it is even greater than ours by dozens of times.
    About gluttonous engines. They also cause climate warming with their CO2.
    1. +16
      4 March 2024 09: 23
      Quote: bya965
      There is not only corruption in the United States, but it is even greater than ours by dozens of times.

      Does it really matter what kind of corruption there is? The author of the article cited figures for THEIR AWACS and ours. Okay, to hell with the USA, they have a printing press after all... But damn it, Australia or Israel DO NOT have their own printing presses, and there are more AWACS aircraft than we have. How does this happen?
      1. -8
        4 March 2024 09: 40
        The author did not provide anything. The author does not understand the topic and his analysis is superficial and primitive. We have everything and everything can be done. There is no desire or no understanding in leadership. These narrow-minded people don’t know what to do or don’t want to. Why do they need this? We won, we have nothing but successes and victories...The whole country is wearing rose-colored glasses...
        1. +9
          4 March 2024 10: 09
          Quote: Vitov
          The author did not provide anything.

          Are you reading through the paragraph?

          The VKS has 7 AWACS aircraft left plus 1 undergoing major restoration. Total 8 cars.
          For comparison, the US Air Force has 31 similar aircraft. China has 28. EuroNATO has 27. Japan has 17 vehicles. Israel - 7 cars.

          Quote: Vitov
          We have everything and everything can be done. There is no desire or no understanding in leadership. These narrow-minded people don’t know what to do or don’t want to. Why do they need this? We won, we have nothing but successes and victories...The whole country wears rose-colored glasses...

          We have everything and nothing at the same time.
          We have the resources, EVERYTHING. But we currently do not have the ability to deeply process these resources. We don't have the right education system. We do not have qualified personnel. We don't have modern technology. To raise all this to the required level, you need 10-15 years of constant, complex work, with huge investments and monitoring of execution. But in our country now there are no people in power who can implement all this.
          1. -14
            4 March 2024 10: 12
            Let's finish the North Military District first and liberate all of Ukraine? This is very disturbing, but no one talks about it. We have a war !
            1. +13
              4 March 2024 10: 33
              Quote: Vitov
              We have a war !

              And the authorities say that SVO! And this is also an indicator.
              Quote: Vitov
              Let's finish the North Military District first and liberate all of Ukraine? This is very disturbing, but no one talks about it.

              Also, for some reason, no one says that we had EIGHT years to prepare. And WE started this, and as I see it, at a convenient moment for us, well, as it seemed to our authorities.
              And I’ll tell you what will happen after the “liberation” of Ukraine. Our authorities will put laurel wreaths on their heads, announce a new May 9, distribute orders to the Shoigam and Chemezovs and other “involved”, and that’s all! There will be no reindustrialization of the country. This goes against the established political system of the country.
            2. +11
              4 March 2024 11: 13
              Quote: Vitov
              Let's finish the North Military District first and liberate all of Ukraine? This is very disturbing, but no one talks about it. We have a war !

              lol lol lol
              That is, you didn’t have to strain yourself until then, but why not!? There is no war, everyone is friends, if something happens, we will buy abroad, so it was in your opinion!?
              2014 years have passed since 8 and no one needed anything, everything was done for parades and for the sake of parades. And every month there is a statement from high-ranking officials that there are no analogues in the world, that this is the best that can be created and invented, but in fact it’s zilch, a beautiful wrapper, nothing more.
              If we collect all the statements from the beginning of the 2015s to the present day. From the irreplaceable and going lower along the vertical of power, then we should already build a base on the Moon in XNUMX, the Ross space station, we won’t have to worry about living.
              And every year there are only promises for which no one punishes anyone.
              The SVO will end, nothing will change, all the same people will declare a great Victory, receive titles, medals, positions and will still promise, promise and promise again, but at the same time they will cut huge budget money.
              In twenty years they were not able to build 1000 aircraft, but then they decided to make a leap in 6 years. Who and what will they do?
              You understand there is NO RESPONSIBILITY! You can promise anything you want, and then calmly leave for another position and no one will touch anyone, and if they touch it, it will definitely only be the switchman, who will take on everything, serve five years and come out a rich man because they will thank him for covering up the big ones. players.
              “The President signed a decree according to which the preventive measure in the form of arrest will not be applied to Russian businessmen and top managers who have violated the law.”
              1. +2
                4 March 2024 12: 13
                Although this should be introduced by law, not by decree. Again, as in the times of Eltsin, laws are being replaced by decrees.
        2. 0
          4 March 2024 11: 24
          After all, we won - you are who and who and what... please announce the whole list to us, otherwise we, unlike you...!
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        1. +5
          4 March 2024 20: 25
          Quote: bya965
          You will still remember Navalny.

          Elderberry in the garden - guy in Kyiv.
          Quote: bya965
          You have a brain, then you reason with it.
          It’s like fighting crime, it has existed and will exist, but we must fight it.
          And we must fight with you. For the enemies of my fatherland.

          You should first fight with your stupidity. Under your “statists”, in 30 years the country has been driven into the Stone Age, so that there is no civil aviation of its own, no real automobile industry, so you have to drag everything from the West here for oil dollars, now from China. The result of all this is that the Westerners have already gone crazy and are waging a brutal economic war against us, and are fighting with the hands of shaggy hands.
          But you have Navalnyats to blame for everything, who have nothing to do with state policy and key decisions at all. You are very, very not smart.
          1. -3
            5 March 2024 05: 10
            Everything is relative.
            And I brought Navalny because your reasoning reminds him.
            And liberals are still often found in power. For example, let’s take the Ministry of Education, both school and higher. This is how the enemies of my state still sit.
            Specific example. Nowadays they give terver at school. It is necessary to give logic and logic problems. And a terver will only instill a persistent aversion to mathematics.
            I won’t write about high school. It will take too much.
            1. +1
              5 March 2024 06: 56
              Quote: bya965
              And I brought Navalny because your reasoning reminds him.

              What are my opinions? That the country needs a strong, industrial economy, and these leaders can’t do anything other than trade in resources and transfer capital to NATO countries? Well, yes, but what does Navalny or Liberda have to do with it? There are other questions for them, completely different, but that’s a separate conversation.
              Quote: bya965
              And liberals are still often found in power.

              Yes, yes, liberals... led by a believing KGB officer. What kind of liberals are there? These are all capitalists, of the early 20th century type. And they do not and cannot have a homeland. For them, only capital exists, which they pump from our Motherland, and withdraw, STILL WITHDRAWAL!!!! to the west.
              And then you spit at the switchmen and pretend to be a super patriot.
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                1. +1
                  5 March 2024 14: 32
                  Quote: bya965
                  Great slogans. Directly according to Navalny. For example, let people not get sick. And let everyone have a large pension.

                  What the hell are slogans? Industrial, high-tech production is a vital necessity for such a large country as the Russian Federation. The fact that it is not in our country, although it was 30 years ago, is the obvious fault of the ruling class.
                  These are the simplest truths, and not slogans. If you don’t understand this, then there’s no point in talking to you. But the Solovyov-Skabeev propaganda machine can be given EXCELLENT marks. As well as Fursenkov’s education reforms. Judging by you, everything they planned turned out great.
                  Quote: bya965
                  and it is still developing it now.

                  What is he developing there? Military industrial complex in scalded cat mode? Well, yes, they sensed a threat to personal safety. Only time has been lost, and there are no other options except bowing to China.
                  Quote: bya965
                  But some people believe both liberals and Navalny. This means that you need to work with them somehow.

                  laughing Yes, from a high bell tower on those liberal Navalnys. Those who have eyes and brains see and understand everything perfectly. But this is not about you)))
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                    1. 0
                      5 March 2024 22: 00
                      Quote: bya965
                      Slogans, you can feel it

                      It feels like you are a big “intellectual”))) And the slogans look like this: Factories for workers!!! Land for the peasants!!! All power to the councils. And I'm saying obvious things.
                      Don't thank me for the educational program.
                      Quote: bya965
                      What does China have that we don’t? Slogans again.

                      Another deuce for you)))
                      China has industry. From sand and dust to nanotechnology. 4 nanometers have already been mastered. We still can’t put 90 nm into mass production. They have the auto industry, which is now our everything. They have a shipbuilding industry and a navy that will soon surpass that of the United States. They have high-speed magnetic levitation trains that reach speeds of over 300 km/h. We drive German Siemens from Moscow to St. Petersburg. They have long surpassed us in space launches.
                      Their population of 1,5 billion already lives decently better than ours, which is 10 times smaller.
                      Are you really ignorant, or are you just being silly?
                      1. -1
                        6 March 2024 08: 06
                        Quote: Zoer
                        China has industry. From sand and dust to nanotechnology. 4 nanometers have already been mastered. We still can’t put 90 nm into mass production.

                        We have ours for war and space, not only 90nm, but also more. 4 nm is consumer goods and it is not Chinese, but Dutch. Now ours and other countries are creating alternative technologies that will be tens of times cheaper. Then it will make sense for us to set up such production.
                        Quote: Zoer
                        They have the auto industry, which is now our everything.

                        Previously, the auto industry was the engine of industry, but now it has not been for 40 years. Our main problem is the engines, we have closed some of the holes, but if we evaluate it, we are not so bad here. The Americans and the British use cooperation all over the world, and we are all on our own.
                        Quote: Zoer
                        They have a shipbuilding industry and a navy that will soon surpass that of the United States.

                        In '22, in the 3rd quarter, we lowered more tonnage than China. Of course, this was a one-time thing. But we don’t have anywhere to park ships in the North, it’s cold and expensive, Vladik isn’t suitable either. South Korea is ideal therefore to build.
                        We don't need a large fleet, we don't have room for it. Only the Arctic Ocean is suitable.
                        Quote: Zoer
                        They have high-speed magnetic levitation trains that reach speeds of over 300 km/h. We drive German Siemens from Moscow to St. Petersburg. They have long surpassed us in space launches.

                        I won’t even say anything here. Some are economically profitable, some are not. Their manned ships fly on heptyl, which is nonsense. If you don’t understand, then it’s useless to explain to you.
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Their population of 1,5 billion already lives decently better than ours, which is 10 times smaller.

                        They have approximately 1 billion, they overestimate the number. In China, there will be approximately 400 million people of retirement age in 2030. However, only civil servants and military personnel receive pensions there.
                        Yes, Soviet universal education is gone, they have given birth to one-sided people who eat advertising
                      2. 0
                        6 March 2024 09: 01
                        Quote: bya965
                        We have ours for war and space, not only 90nm but also more

                        250 nm and more cannot solve all problems. High-speed communications, space communications, like StarLink at 90 nm or more cannot be built.
                        4nm is consumer goods. But without it, the ENTIRE economy of the country will collapse. Only people who are not far away do not understand this.
                        Quote: bya965
                        4 nm is consumer goods and it is not Chinese, but Dutch.

                        Why the fright are they not Chinese? Lithographers and ASML, but this is only a machine. Project, architecture, production China. Our 90nm is also on Western lithographs, if that happens.
                        Quote: bya965
                        Now ours and other countries are creating alternative technologies that will be tens of times cheaper. Then it will make sense for us to set up such production.

                        laughing They made me laugh a lot. Again tales of a bright future. Yeah, Chubais also sang excellent fairy tales at Rusnano. Let's do more)))
                        Quote: bya965
                        Previously, the auto industry was the engine of industry, but now it has not been for 40 years. Our main problem is the engines, we have closed some of the holes, but if we evaluate it, we are not so bad here. The Americans and the British use cooperation all over the world, and we are all on our own.

                        Well, what kind of nonsense are you talking about!!! Earlier. And now what, cars are no longer needed? Or is the technology there from the century before last?
                        Are there only problems with the engines? What are you talking about!))) Engines only? Tell me the model and brand of domestic automatic transmission or CVT. In general, mechanical engineering in the country is assessed by the bearing industry. So in 1987, the USSR produced 800 million bearings. In 2000, 200 million bearings were produced in the Russian Federation. In 2020, 49 million were released in the Russian Federation. This is about what Putin developed and raised in the country’s industry there. 49 million bearings do not even cover the needs of AvtoVAZ.
                        Quote: bya965
                        In '22, in the 3rd quarter, we lowered more tonnage than China.

                        Can you send me a link to these numbers?
                        Quote: bya965
                        Only we have nowhere to stand the court

                        wassat On 1/6 of the world's landmass there is no place to build ships? Are you out of your mind? Yes, in St. Petersburg alone there is at least some development. Hmmm, with such tricks you can justify/refute anything you want. This is simply a matter of religion, i.e. faith.
                        Quote: bya965
                        I won’t even say anything here. Some are economically profitable, some are not. Their manned ships fly on heptyl, which is nonsense. If you don’t understand, then it’s useless to explain to you.

                        Again I just LOL!!! Back in the USSR, the P200 was economically profitable, but we didn’t have time. And yes, it’s generally not economically profitable to produce EVERYTHING. Why, if there is oil and you can buy everything!) Yes, yes, everything is as the great EBN bequeathed. Nothing new.
                      3. -1
                        6 March 2024 09: 34
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Can you send me a link to these numbers?
                        Quote: bya965
                        Only we have nowhere to stand the court

                        wassat There is no place to build ships on 1/6 of the world's landmass? Are you out of your mind? Yes, in St. Petersburg alone there is at least some development. Hmmm, with such tricks you can justify/refute anything you want.

                        Yes, it’s really all advertising in my head.
                        https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/rossiya_vyshla_na_vtoroe_mesto_v_mire_po_obemam_sudostroeniya.html
                      4. +1
                        6 March 2024 09: 51
                        Quote: bya965
                        Yes, it’s really all advertising in my head.
                        https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/rossiya_vyshla_na_vtoroe_mesto_v_mire_po_obemam_sudostroeniya.html

                        Ahaha! Excellent manipulation of numbers. The ten-year long construction project was completed and we came out ahead)))

                        At the same time, an almost two-fold increase in the total cost of civil vessels delivered in 2020 will be ensured through the commissioning of large long-term construction projects, such as the nuclear icebreaker "Arktika" of Project 22220 worth more than 40 billion rubles, which has been under construction since 2013 and is now in the final stages of acceptance , as well as the icebreaker “Viktor Chernomyrdin” of project 22600 worth about 12 billion rubles. (under construction since 2012). In addition, delivery of the first Aframax tanker of Project 2020K is planned for 114 at the Zvezda Shipbuilding Complex, the cost of which is estimated at more than 31 billion rubles.
                        An important event in 2020 from the point of view of the development of civil shipbuilding was the completion of the construction of the PV300 cruise ship.

                        Well, AFTER 2022 our shipbuilding is experiencing enormous difficulties, because... supplies of imported equipment ceased. Control systems, fire extinguishing systems, VLK (rudder propellers), galley equipment, etc. and so on. We have “completed” import substitution. The production is the best! laughing
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    2. +1
      4 March 2024 17: 09
      Of course, their corruption is a pit.....
      It’s just that this corruption does not destroy their production and does not weaken their army (on the contrary, they have enough resources and strength to provide significant military assistance to their allies if necessary).
      1. -2
        5 March 2024 05: 11
        It’s just that this corruption does not destroy their production and does not weaken their army (on the contrary, they have enough resources and strength to provide significant military assistance to their allies if necessary).

        Industry provides (2004) less than 20% of the country's GDP (service sector - 79,4%; agriculture - about 0,9% of GDP). Much less now
        And which allies did they help?
  5. +1
    4 March 2024 05: 07
    Back in Soviet times, I once had the opportunity to see an AWACS based on the Tu-154. Impressed
    1. +5
      4 March 2024 06: 33
      maybe a Tu-126 after all? I haven’t heard of a drill based on the Tu-154....
      1. -1
        4 March 2024 07: 57
        Quote: faiver
        I haven’t heard of a drill based on the Tu-154
        I don’t even remember, maybe a Tu-134. With engines located at the rear, like passenger cars
        1. +2
          4 March 2024 09: 13
          I don’t even remember, maybe a Tu-134. With engines located at the rear, like passenger cars

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_самолётов_ДРЛО
      2. +2
        4 March 2024 11: 28
        Comrade warrant officer, is the radio transistorized?
        - For stupid I repeat! Walkie-talkie on an armored train!
  6. +19
    4 March 2024 05: 17
    The author, unfortunately, is right in many respects.
    And he is trying to shake up the inert thinking of the military-industrial complex and the military.
    Times are now such that without the described aircraft, war can no longer be waged, at least not successfully.
    I only disagree with the assessment of the PS-90 engine, which the author described as outdated and very power-hungry.
    I dare to remind you that the existing Il-76 fleet flies overwhelmingly on D30KP engines designed by the same P. A. Solovyov, created 4 decades earlier than the PS-90.
    They are really voracious and noisy (by their characteristic “singing” you can tell that it is the IL-76 that is landing. It’s just a real song!).
    The PS-90 engine, born on the basis of the deepest processing of its predecessor, does not look like such a brontosaurus. And reliable, and economical, and low noise.
    Its installation on the Il-76, the need for which was discussed even under the Bolsheviks, made a small revolution. The IL-76 was literally reborn and became essentially a new aircraft.
    1. +7
      4 March 2024 06: 48
      The author made a mistake not only about the engine. He pointed out that IL-76 is produced at VASO, but this is not so, they are produced in Ulyanovsk. Regarding the number of cars produced, last year they made 5, this year they want to make 6 and increase the annual production to 18-20 cars. The author does not have knowledge of the characteristics of the antennas used, did not provide comparative characteristics, but confidently states that the Shmel radar is worse - this is in the style of Skomorokhov.
  7. -3
    4 March 2024 05: 32
    Snot, snot, snot. Lots of snot and all chewed up. And next to Yaroslavna’s cry. Well, I'm tired of it. If someone doesn’t pull it off (the Vega concern), then the whole product doesn’t work out, but why put everyone under the same brush? But the obvious solution is mentioned in the article: you need a more compact platform (Tu-214 is ideal) and electronics without any mushrooms. Well, as for Vega - here we need to figure out where the billions went, or another cut, or just incompetence. You definitely need to check it. The country's defense capability suffered.
    1. +10
      4 March 2024 06: 39
      Quote: Glagol1
      Well, as for Vega - here we need to figure out where the billions went, or another cut, or just incompetence.

      Well, if the “incompetents” set about cutting up funds, then not only the A-100, but also the U-2 “corn maker” will not be bungled.
    2. +2
      4 March 2024 09: 31
      Quote: Glagol1
      Well, as for Vega - here we need to figure out where the billions went, or another cut, or just incompetence. You definitely need to check it. The country's defense capability suffered.

      Of course check it out. Just check it well. But it is unlikely that this will be done, because... a good check will lead to the very top. It’s not for nothing that Ksyusha Sobchak and Co. thinned out so well and planted some of them. They checked something there and reached the head of Rostec and threatened to publish it. But greed let them down.)))
      As for the specific “Vega”, how and what can they bungle there if there are practically no domestic ERIs, and there are practically no competent engineers left. Where can they get them if the country has been playing the fool for 30 years? Where will the competencies and experience come from? Well, they will imprison/disperse the switchmen. What's next? Is there an adequate replacement that tomorrow will release a suitable design for a new aircraft using domestic components? laughing
    3. -3
      4 March 2024 09: 46
      Everything worked out for Vega. Read what developments there were.
      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1370293.html
      From the "bad head" and "legs" work. Who are the Manturovs, Chemezovs, Borisovs and Rogozins,...?
      What results can you get with them? Just like it is now...
    4. 0
      4 March 2024 15: 25
      As for Vega - here we need to figure out where the billions went, or another cut, or just incompetence.

      What does vega have to do with it? This enterprise at one time quite quickly developed the A-100 AWACS project according to the technical specifications of the Moscow Region. And in this specification, most likely, there was no strict requirement from the customer to use only domestic radio components, microelectronics and other components during development. Therefore, the developer used a modern foreign electronic database in the project, since his own was either completely absent or significantly inferior to the imported one, which was available at that time. According to this project, one A-100 AWACS aircraft was manufactured, which, after successful tests, was close to certification. But as you know, sanctions put an end to this. We had to make significant changes to the project and wait for our electronics industry to create the necessary components, since Vega itself does not do this. And it seems that this problem has not yet been solved. This is the reason for the absence of the A-100 in the army. Until the country and its leaders realize the vital problem of creating their electronic base and begin to solve it, devoting all their efforts and resources to this, our military-industrial complex and industry will not be able to create and put into production not only modern AWACS, but other critical types of weapons .
  8. +9
    4 March 2024 05: 35
    in light of the fact that there will never be an A-100, it makes sense to throw all our efforts into creating a really new AWACS aircraft on the cheaper basis of a commercial airliner.

    To make your own Wedgetail now, this program must be launched through a time machine (sending your Terminator or Kyle Reese into the past so that he warns everyone - “make Wedgetail, because in 2024...” ... well, you know it all yourself) 15 years ago, in 2009
    But we don’t have time for a time machine, we need AWACS now.

    IMHO, judging by the fact that VIKI gives 31 units of produced A50s, the science of mathematics suggests that it is easier to “restore the resource” of those that should be in the “bins of the Motherland.”
    It’s better now to have an A50 “as it is” than probably in 15 years from now to have a “dead” Wedgetail.

    PS. The Chinese will not sell us any radar, of course.
    P.P.S. Making AWACS with a radar that doesn’t exist, on an aircraft that is being produced at a rate... (see Skomorokhov’s articles)... - well, it’s not like it’s a very good plan.
    1. +3
      4 March 2024 06: 24
      To make your own Wedgetail now, this program must be launched through a time machine (sending your Terminator or Kyle Reese into the past so that he

      Not all, only the marked...
    2. -2
      4 March 2024 06: 36
      What if they give it to you? They gave us pandas :)) The Chinese will now also begin to be pinched little by little from all sides. I’m talking to a Chinese girl, she’s young, and she understands perfectly well what’s going on. They, of course, rose high. But they don’t want to fall at all. We've seen enough.
      1. 0
        4 March 2024 15: 29
        They won’t, you don’t know the Chinese well. We have to do it ourselves, no one will help us.
        1. 0
          6 March 2024 08: 55
          So who is against something, “themselves”? Of course, “you have to do it yourself”! Well, where is our “ourselves”? If only we had been “ourselves” in the last 24 years, we wouldn’t have had to bow to the Chinese! It’s good that they seem to be leaning more and more towards our trench... they are slowly turning on their brains.
  9. +33
    4 March 2024 05: 38
    The deindustrialization of Russia has been successful. Stalin is rolling over in his grave, but Putin is like water off a duck's back.
  10. 0
    4 March 2024 05: 51
    It is clear that installation and debugging of equipment takes 2-3 years, but let’s look from a different angle.
    - the largest specialist, who has at least 2-3 instrument systems behind him, says... He understands everything! Always, in everything and everywhere. But he loves to write.
  11. +10
    4 March 2024 05: 59
    There is a Tu-214R and there is a Tu-214ON, some kind of compilation with modification is possible, and ersatz ones with the Zaslon or Irbis radar for the very near future.
    Criticism of the PS-90 is too much (overdone with drama)
    Well, who is to blame - useless conversations, as they say - “I would like a saber and a knight...”
  12. +12
    4 March 2024 06: 19
    Until there is responsibility there will be no point
    1. +5
      4 March 2024 07: 16
      They have a collective responsibility
      That is a draw
      1. 0
        4 March 2024 18: 30
        Each project has a main one and he asks from others. Who's in charge there?
    2. 0
      4 March 2024 15: 35
      It's not just about responsibility, but also about understanding where we all are and where we need to row.
      They are not only trying to keep the entire administration in illusions, but they themselves seem to be in it.
      1. 0
        4 March 2024 18: 28
        Of course, in an illusion with a salary in the billions
  13. +1
    4 March 2024 06: 27
    Premier is a breakthrough! Unfortunately, breakthroughs are nowhere to be seen, only in words.
    1. +3
      4 March 2024 09: 36
      Quote: Vadim S
      Unfortunately, breakthroughs are nowhere to be seen, only in words.

      Well why? We break through the bottom with enviable consistency.
    2. 0
      4 March 2024 18: 33
      Nobody is in charge of the bazaar. With such salaries, you have to pay with the lives of not only your own but also your relatives
  14. -23
    4 March 2024 06: 28
    Stop talking nonsense, author, you are not in the subject at all, and you can’t even imagine that we have the Ka-31M, so it can be modernized indefinitely, you don’t need either the A-50, or the A-100 or 150, or the politra, with For modern electronics, a helicopter with an additional fuel tank is enough; it can hang in the air for up to 5 hours, and in fact it’s time to make it unmanned and robotic...
    1. +7
      4 March 2024 09: 50
      Quote: air wolf
      Stop talking nonsense

      That's for sure! So don't talk nonsense!
      The aerial target detection range of the Ka31M antenna is 100-150 km, versus 300-400 km for the A-50. Moreover, the maximum detection range for the Ka-31 is at an altitude of 3,5 km, i.e. this is an excellent target for the same Patriots, who at such an altitude can easily reach 100-150 km.
      Here we are talking about where to get a good AFAR with a mass of 20 tons, but you are offered to make do with an antenna of 3-4 tons)))
  15. +8
    4 March 2024 06: 46
    All Serdbkov! Who put it there? The galley slaves are such slaves!
  16. +11
    4 March 2024 06: 47
    In fact, we should look not at the planes of the last century that are celebrating their half-century anniversary, but at the new ones

    It doesn’t matter at all what plane you put the radar with its accompanying electronics into, even in Farman IV released at the beginning of the last century, even in a collective farm sheaf binder! An aircraft is just a platform on which brains are installed that monitor the situation hundreds and hundreds of kilometers away...
  17. +13
    4 March 2024 06: 58
    Here is a striking example of the involutionary development of Russian industry! What did you want from involution, that is, from degeneration? Folks, let's be honest. It was you who shouted Yeltsin, Yeltsin, you wanted capitalism with a human face. You got all this. What are you not happy with right now? Your wishes have come true. You just don’t understand a simple thing, you live in a 3-dimensional manifested reality, which in its essence is, according to the church’s definition, hell. For reference, 2D reality with energetic life forms is purgatory, 4D reality, essentially the core of a neutron star, is the underworld. You live in hell, it is impossible to build heaven here. You had the opportunity to rise spiritually to the moment when the energy level of your soul would allow you to make the transition to dimensions with five coordinates and higher through 3-dimensional space, that is, through a singularity. True, all this happens at the moment of death, that is, a change in dimension. You yourself chose to roll back in your spiritual development. You're paying for it now. In the XNUMXrd dimension, vices flourish in the form of greed, bribery, envy, cruelty, lust, and deception. You were deceived by the party leadership of the CPSU, and you have to pay for your stupidity. People, use your brains. There is not and cannot be heaven here. Live according to your conscience. I understand, now you’re throwing down minuses. This is not important, it simply characterizes the level of your spiritual development and nothing more.
    1. 0
      4 March 2024 15: 13
      Tarmashev rules? laughing And so everything is on topic, I completely agree
    2. +2
      4 March 2024 20: 22
      Quote: 2112vda
      Folks, let's be honest. It was you who shouted Yeltsin, Yeltsin, you wanted capitalism with a human face.

      No. And he didn’t yell... and he didn’t want to. And the people didn’t want to. Still.. they screamed.. it was a minority.. and 90% of them were deceived. And even then - in Moscow. By the way, Moscow has been receiving “goodies” for this for the last 33 years. -)))))
      1. +1
        5 March 2024 06: 57
        At that time I did not live in Moscow at all, but in a small town. We had those “possessed by the demon Yeltsin” who rushed into a fight because of him, especially when I told them about the adventures of the “ebn” during his work as the party head of the Sverdlovsk region. At that time there was a newspaper "Ural Worker" which described the tricks of this figure. The editor-in-chief of the newspaper was put in a mental hospital. The Yeltsinists were especially excited when I told them that because of their idol, Russia would wash itself with bloody skin. And so it happened. I'm not a psychic or clairvoyant, just plain banal logic.
  18. +3
    4 March 2024 06: 59
    Absolutely "in the hole"! What is called - read old letters...
  19. +6
    4 March 2024 07: 05
    Thank you, Roman, for an interesting article.
    Let me make a reservation right away - I am not an expert in radio electronics.
    What catches your eye: the article raises three issues:
    - a complete mess in the state defense order in this area (if only!);
    - morally obsolete before the entry into service of the A-100;
    - an attempt to engineer an AWACS aircraft from what is at hand, and we’ll buy the rest (the same AFAR radar)!
    Regarding the first problem, it can be stated that the patient is more likely dead than alive, therefore, if galvanization of the A-50U program is possible, then this is what needs to be done.
    As for the obsolete A-100, as long as cutting is in progress, the situation will not change. The highest will is needed to close a hopeless direction, and throw those grunting at the trough out of the trough.
    The most interesting thing in the article is the discussion of what could have happened with a normal approach. And the normal approach is that the problem of the airframe and engines is insignificant against the background of the radio-electronic impotence of our military-industrial complex. Until the components of the radar with AFAR of the required resolution with ensured noise immunity are operational, until IT specialists develop software for processing and data analysis, specialists provide a stable communication channel for transmitting an array of necessary information to the headquarters of the appropriate level, and the information is integrated into the appropriate CIUS - all the talk about what an AWACS carrier should be like is just fun get-togethers.
    And so, for me, for the Pacific theater of operations it should be a long-range turboprop aircraft with the ability to refuel in the air. As for the aircraft of the operational-tactical zone, no one has canceled the deep reworking of a combat aircraft with an appropriate payload capacity with the option of countering long-range air defense systems.
  20. +8
    4 March 2024 07: 28
    according to the general designer of the concern, with the new equipment the aircraft surpasses all foreign analogues

    “Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers,” said the cartoon character...
  21. -4
    4 March 2024 07: 42
    Well, what if the Su-35 and Su-57 together with the Mig-31 are used for now as a mini A-50?
    Should we put more Irbis on the Su-30SM2?
    1. +2
      4 March 2024 08: 01
      Quote: El Roz
      Well, what if the Su-35 and Su-57 together with the Mig-31 are used for now as a mini A-50?
      You won't run out of fuel! wink
    2. +2
      4 March 2024 09: 07
      Let's replace 1 Belaz with 1000 motorcycles.
  22. +16
    4 March 2024 08: 01
    And what do we not have? What you can’t take on, that’s not it. And it won’t be as long as the cult of the “effective manager” flourishes, who knows only one thing - managing “cash flows”. Mostly in your pocket.
    But I don’t see that anyone at the top is worried about this.
  23. +15
    4 March 2024 08: 04
    That's not why this rose bloomed...

    The (aviation) industry was not destroyed in the 2000s so that there would be airplanes now.
    It's not fools at the top...

    respected responsible persons

    There is an error in your text,
    there must be "irresponsible persons"

    There is no responsibility without a predetermined punishment for a poorly done job.

    Here's the driver. He did a bad job, caused an accident and people got hurt.
    There is a predetermined article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation under which he will be punished.

    let those who should do it judge.

    The idea of ​​government responsibility is recognized by the authorities of the Russian Federation as extremism
  24. +4
    4 March 2024 08: 13
    Quote: Luminman
    In fact, we should look not at the planes of the last century that are celebrating their half-century anniversary, but at the new ones

    It doesn’t matter at all what plane you put the radar with its accompanying electronics into, even in Farman IV released at the beginning of the last century, even in a collective farm sheaf binder! An aircraft is just a platform on which brains are installed that monitor the situation hundreds and hundreds of kilometers away..


    Yes, the problem is that there is NO “filling”!
  25. -3
    4 March 2024 08: 15
    Again, Skomorokhov. Aviation again. And inaccuracies...
    1.What does VASO have to do with the construction of IL 76 aircraft?
    2. According to the author...PS-90A engines, which, although reliable, like the AK-74, have simply insane fuel consumption.
    Maybe the author will provide a comparative table of the specific fuel consumption of the PS-90A in comparison with competitors. But he won’t, speaking in words taken just like that.
    1. 0
      4 March 2024 22: 25
      And what am I wrong in?
      1. Il 76 was never built in Voronezh (VASO).
      2. The gluttonous PS-90A, according to the author. So in terms of fuel consumption, it is inferior to the domestic flagship PD 14 by only 13-15%.
  26. -1
    4 March 2024 08: 23
    Skomorokhov, as usual, in his genre -
    But, excuse me, they don’t manage budgets in the USA!
    1. -1
      4 March 2024 12: 44
      Well, the author knows well, among other things, how budgets are used in the United States.
  27. +3
    4 March 2024 08: 30
    Quote: Eugene_4
    Again, Skomorokhov. Aviation again. And inaccuracies...
    1.What does VASO have to do with the construction of IL 76 aircraft?
    2. According to the author...PS-90A engines, which, although reliable, like the AK-74, have simply insane fuel consumption.
    Maybe the author will provide a comparative table of the specific fuel consumption of the PS-90A in comparison with competitors. But he won’t, speaking in words taken just like that.

    And again.
    The difference between the specific fuel consumption of the PS-90A engine and the “flagship” PD-14 is only 15%.
    So, what kind of gluttony of the PS-90A we are talking about is not entirely clear.
  28. +5
    4 March 2024 08: 41
    One president has already said that we are a regional power. They were so indignant at this definition and then their cheeks puffed out. Although in fact this is true. And the region of our interests is closed by Ukraine, the Baltic states and Georgia with Armenia. All. The Russian Federation has no further interests. I’m not going to consider Africa and Syria. In Syria we are not solving any of our problems, and in Africa there are no results yet.
    This is what I mean, such technically complex products as drilling aircraft, aircraft carriers, and strategic bombers are an impossible task for regional powers. So we have to renew that 160 and 50. I’m waiting for the resumption of production of Studebakers, here’s one they handed over to the army, they showed it on TV)))
  29. +4
    4 March 2024 08: 42
    There is an opinion to establish a public award for masters of “shifting deadlines to the right” from the government and state corporations, by analogy with the Order of Judas, established by Peter the Great for Mazepa.

    It is proposed that this award be called the “Order of Honorary Liar” (you know what the second word is) and the award be made in absentia based on voting on social networks, or, better yet, here on VO.
    1. -1
      4 March 2024 12: 18
      Better "Order of Honorary Shifter to the Right" hi
  30. +10
    4 March 2024 08: 51
    What programs have not failed?
    How is Chemezov different from Chubais or Rogozin?
    1. +7
      4 March 2024 08: 54
      For AWACS it would be good to find an aircraft with a high altitude, the IL-76 has a ceiling of 12 km, the B-52N has 16.5 km, the M55 Geophysics has a ceiling of 22 km, the higher the radar is raised, the farther you can see. And it is not at all necessary to process the signal received by the aircraft antenna; this signal can simply be amplified and relayed to the ground in its raw form, and decrypted on the ground and further distributed to consumers. this will lighten the weight and simplify the radar electronics on the plane; it may not even require operators, and in the future, perhaps pilots as well
      And the most effective method of radar is two spaced apart radars using not the Doppler effect, but the so-called triangulation method; it is impossible to interfere with it.
      1. -1
        4 March 2024 12: 07
        I agree agond! Firstly, it is completely unclear why incoming information should be processed on board? Because of this, you have to “carry” a bunch of expensive, energy-intensive and heavy equipment with you + risk special personnel, whose training takes years. It is clear why this was done in the 20th century - communication channels are very slow, poorly protected and unstable. But in the 21st century...
        Secondly, why do we even need an AWACS aircraft as a unit? Huge, slow and unmaneuverable, costs a lot of money and is an excellent target for air defense.
        IMHO, of course, but I think that the future of AWACS is a swarm of relatively cheap UAVs, which are united by one network (no matter how large), where the loss of one UAV does not affect the overall result, and replacing the loss is a matter of several minutes and a small one (relative to a full-fledged aircraft) cost. It is very expensive and difficult for the enemy to shoot down such a swarm. In addition, UAVs have significantly fewer restrictions on maneuverability and flight ceiling - there is no person there, which means life support systems are not needed, and making a UAV that can easily maneuver at 20-30 g and stay in the air for days is not a problem, but for of a person is death.
        Thirdly, the swarm can be changed in parts, as fuel is consumed, i.e. in fact, if necessary, an AWACS unit will be in the air 24/7. This is impossible with a person on board.
        And the personnel are on the ground all the time, in relative safety.
    2. -2
      4 March 2024 09: 08
      Chemezov does not sing songs. And he doesn’t publish photoshopped photos.
      1. 0
        4 March 2024 09: 54
        Quote: Single-n
        Chemezov does not sing songs.

        He understands privacy modes.
        Quote: Single-n
        doesn't publish photojabs

        He just doesn't know how to use a cell phone.
  31. +1
    4 March 2024 08: 58
    I agree with the author
  32. +17
    4 March 2024 09: 09
    What 1000 aircraft by 2030? What kind of A-100? The department of the city of Manturov still cannot manage to replace the good old AN-2.
  33. -1
    4 March 2024 09: 17
    Everyone knows, well, at least many, that radar is best used on the ground. There is no such effect in the air at least. Yes, to some extent the Brazilians have stepped forward, but in any case they will have to roll back. Because it was the antennas that provided the necessary advantage that was needed. In the event of a military conflict, they may not even see their own. And antennas just allow you to do this. In this context, it should be noted that it was we who destroyed all scientific production in this area. No one knows where those scientific developments are now, but it started out so well in its time.
    1. 0
      4 March 2024 09: 56
      Quote: koralevviktor
      Everyone knows, well, at least many, that radar is best used on the ground.

      You just haven’t heard about closing angles.
      1. 0
        4 March 2024 10: 20
        What is this? Maybe you can enlighten me.
        1. 0
          4 March 2024 10: 35
          The surrounding terrain usually prevents the radar from operating at full range, especially at low altitudes, and they try to install it higher, but this is not a solution to the problem.
          1. 0
            4 March 2024 17: 15
            It's nothing you can do. In scientific progress, you always need to move forward.
  34. -3
    4 March 2024 09: 27
    If you suffer for a long time, something will work out
  35. +4
    4 March 2024 09: 27
    Sanctions are useful for Russia (C) We are already ensuring almost complete impostor substitution (C). The objectives of the Slezoperation will be fully accomplished. (WITH)
    No comments....
  36. +5
    4 March 2024 09: 36
    It is planned to produce TU -2024- 214 units in 5, all for delivery at the end of the year. Sukhoi Superjet - there will be no deliveries until the end of tests with PD-8, the estimated time frame is the 1st half of 2025, MS-21 cannot be expected before 25. IL-76 production plan for this year is 6 vehicles. Of all the vehicles listed, only the IL-76 has the AWACS modification, and the TU-214 has the TU-214R modification, which can also operate against air targets. To install the AWACS complex on MS-21, SuperJET, TU-214 aircraft, it will be necessary to carry out R&D, which will take 3-5 years. Therefore, the proposal of the Author of the article to urgently place AWACS on aircraft other than IL-76 can be considered as project work.
  37. +2
    4 March 2024 09: 48
    I want to give credit to the author - he writes well, to the point and with reasoning, alas, but as they say, everything is on the table, there is a fairly small audience here, and reaching army officials in their swamp is like reaching the moon. The top management is generally not used to doing anything without a command, until they kick themselves and they will pretend to be so. Over there with the krynki, he’s already the second commander, and he hasn’t solved a single problem there yet, and military correspondents write about this almost every day
  38. +2
    4 March 2024 10: 06
    The big mistake of the Ministry of Defense, which in the 204s abandoned the PLO aircraft based on the Tu-XNUMX, led to the curtailment of the production of a universal platform for military aircraft for various purposes.
    We must also remember that the complex, which was created for the An-71 and Yak-44 aircraft, could also be used on a modern platform.

    I can’t agree with the author’s categorical attitude about the insane consumption of the PS-90.
  39. 2al
    +4
    4 March 2024 10: 09
    The author did not indicate that behind the whole tragedy with the A-100 there is a monopolist - the Vega concern, which by the way includes
    "JSC Dolgoprudny Automation Design Bureau, Dolgoprudny, is the only state-owned enterprise in Russia engaged in the development and creation of airships and balloons, and also maintains a leading position in R&D and the creation of promising aeronautics complexes, signaling systems and means, the development and manufacture of soft structures special purpose.
    "
    Therefore, in the Russian Federation there are no and will not be air patrol systems on tethered airships. The airship as a platform lifts 30 tons (by the way, this is the weight of the S-400 radar complex together with the chassis!) and costs 40 million rubles! Not dollars, but rubles! Which is manufactured in 2-3 months, the shell is transported on a trailer in a 40-foot container and is ready to fly in 6 hours!
  40. -12
    4 March 2024 10: 18
    Oooh, again the buffoons with the afterlife names of their articles. At the end of the writing there is not enough advice to lubricate the rope with soap
  41. +5
    4 March 2024 10: 21
    Thanks to the author for the article. Hit all the “hurray-patriots” where it hurts.
    And the idea about using civilian airliners as carriers is good.
    There is one weak point. Without our own domestic electronics, it makes no difference who will be the carrier.
    And the second weak point. We have problems with mass production of civilian airliners.
  42. +1
    4 March 2024 10: 21
    It’s clear we’re already in trouble with the planes...
    You need to make a knight's move! Put radars on the balloons and off you go. Cheap and cheerful and effective.
    1. 0
      4 March 2024 12: 15
      Whoever wants it is looking for HOW.
      Those who don’t want to look for WHY.
  43. +2
    4 March 2024 10: 30
    It seems to me that this is the case when it is better to use balloons and airships.
    It seems that balloons are in service with the United States.
  44. +1
    4 March 2024 10: 43
    Instead of ballast, which compensates for the raised center of gravity due to the antenna, shouldn’t we install, say, a magnetometer?

    Probably because the operating heights of the magnetometer are a couple of hundred meters. And at these heights oh far radar detection can be forgotten.
    This is some kind of naval approach - stuffing the sides with everything you can, without thinking about how to use it. Type of installation of a sonar with a towed antenna on the RKR. smile
    1. 0
      4 March 2024 15: 09
      Well, we need to look for a submarine - we lowered the altitude, we need to reconnoiter the air situation - we raised it. So as not to take off twice
  45. 0
    4 March 2024 10: 45
    There is a telegram channel Atomic Cherry that is worth paying attention to. I recently wrote interesting information about the A50.
    A short excerpt:

    Already at the stage of its appearance, the aircraft was inferior to its serial competitor in the form of the American E-2, but what was much worse, the concept embedded in it had a direct impact on the level of technical solutions, as a result of which the A-50 turned out to be an aircraft of the level of the late 50s : he could not implement his own intelligence data and control the air battle, and also turned out to be catastrophically “blind” at low altitudes and could not work on the earth’s surface or water surface.

    In the 80s, Soviet naval missile-carrying aviation conducted a series of local exercises designed to test the capabilities of the A-50 (information about this is in the public domain - it is not secret). The result was an unpleasantly surprising discovery - the A-50 radar was unable to detect even ships on the open sea. For him, this was a “blind spot” - after all, the designers implemented in it the familiar and understandable features of the Tu-126, without even trying to comprehend the complete change in the nature of modern air threats and changes in tactics of warfare in the air (while combat aviation already during the Vietnam War began to rapidly “snuggle to the ground”, operating at low altitudes).

    Perhaps the negative features of the A-50 would eventually be eliminated - after all, for the USSR it was the first project of this kind, especially since the Soviet leadership made great efforts to develop combat data exchange networks (thanks to which the aircraft would be able to realize its potential and as an air command post), but... The USSR was gone, and the A-50 remained a “serial prototype”. The modification represented by the A-50U hardly affected the main technical solutions incorporated into the aircraft, therefore it is simply incorrect to draw any analogies between it and foreign AWACS models.
  46. 0
    4 March 2024 10: 53
    In general, in theory, any of the existing projects Tu-204, Tu-214, SSJ-NEW, MC-21 - any aircraft is suitable for such a role. If it stays on stream and is a Russian aircraft made from Russian components with Russian engines. Well, if the Russian manufacturer represented by UAC can mass-produce it.

    In theory, everything is always good. At first approximation. Exactly until the avionics specialists come and say terrible words - electromagnetic compatibility. And a hellish mess will begin with cable routes, blocks and screens in the limited space of the fuselage. And then someone will remember about the cooling of the equipment and the ergonomics of the operator’s seats - and everything will generally become bad.
    Just a reminder that Australia ordered the E-7A in 1999. And she received the first plane 10 (ten!) years later, because Boeing twice shifted the deadlines to the right, ultimately delaying delivery by three years. And this is Boeing, which ate the dog by converting civilian aircraft 707-737 into various auxiliary aircraft for the air forces of different countries.
  47. +2
    4 March 2024 10: 54
    Don't even know. Maybe take the quantity and instead of one A-100 build four A-25s or even eight A-12,5s?
    1. +3
      4 March 2024 11: 30
      The Ministry of Defense is already implementing your brilliant plan. Instead of one Coalition we will give the soldiers four 2S1s, the Armata is too expensive, so you have four T-55s. However, I am afraid that in this case, “quantity” will not turn into “quality” over time.
  48. -3
    4 March 2024 11: 01
    On the one hand, I agree with the author. Civil aviation is in...op, but they are working on it and there are results. But there is another point - aircraft of the A50 AWACS type (in all countries where they exist) were developed and produced around 40-50 years ago. And here is the nuance - then the air defense systems were much weaker than modern ones. The principle is simple - the AWACS operating area was significantly larger in size than the air defense dome, which made it possible to operate relatively safely without entering the affected area. Now the situation is completely different - the size of the AWACS and air defense zones are often the same, and sometimes the air defense even exceeds the AWACS. You have to fly “on the verge of a foul” to at least reconnoiter something. And the AWACS aircraft, no matter what base it is built on, is just a gift for air defense - not small in size (no matter the AFAR or what), relatively slow and completely clumsy. So business jets, commercial airliners, AFAR are all good, but this is not a solution to the problem, but rather a patch on Trishkin’s caftan. Yes, this will reduce the price, which is very important, but they will also go astray quickly. Rather, here we need to look for a solution in UAVs or even a swarm of UAVs united by one network. Shooting down such a swarm will not be easy and will be very expensive, and replacing a downed UAV with a new one will cost a pittance (relative to the cost of a full-fledged military aircraft). And the operators, highly qualified and “expensive” personnel, will sit in a safe shelter on the ground.
  49. +1
    4 March 2024 11: 18
    We wanted bourgeoisism, so let's eat it with taste. And the market will regulate everything. If we survive.
  50. +3
    4 March 2024 12: 26
    I’m not surprised. If they report to the top about the capture of this or that settlement, and several times, but in reality this is not just PR, then what else can we talk about? Another equally important question: is the Defense Ministry able to formulate an order, a concept, and outline tasks? I’m sure no, and this is not an omission of the Moscow Region, this is precisely the “structure,” as Roman correctly noted, take what you have.
  51. +1
    4 March 2024 12: 44
    On the good side, we need to dance from what we have and can. There is a Tu-204/214. Put it on stream and drive it using the conveyor method for passenger aircraft, cargo aircraft, for AWACS, for anti-aircraft missile systems and in general for everything.
  52. 0
    4 March 2024 12: 45
    But it seems to me that the late Zadornov, may he rest in peace, was very mistaken....
  53. -1
    4 March 2024 13: 05
    Russia has mastered the production of N036 and AFAR. Is it possible to make a new AFAR based on it, where the MRP will not be 1500, but 3000-4000, or the modules themselves will be more powerful, larger and more reliable. And shove such a radar into the Superjet, onto the drum (like the RQ4). Yes, it will be blind in the front hemisphere, but in the lateral hemisphere it’s just right.
  54. -1
    4 March 2024 13: 13
    The article is relevant.
    In the 90s, liberals and Gaidar destroyed the aviation industry.
    When he was asked: why are domestic aircraft factories closing, what will we fly?
    He said: We have money, we’ll buy everything in the West, it’s cheaper than maintaining our own aircraft industry.
    More ..
    The Ministry of Defense Serdyukov continued the work of Gaidar.

    No new armored cars? I bought it from the Italians Iveco.
    There are no helicopter carriers for 1 billion euros each? We will build it in France.
    As a result: Iveco failed the cross-country test in winter, and they were transferred to the Krasnodar region.
    And the helicopter carriers, France blocked the deal and they were sold to Egypt.
  55. +1
    4 March 2024 13: 17
    Quote: Ivan№One
    Quote: carpenter
    What was done under Eltsin, no ruler can correct in 20 years.

    Have you heard about Stalin's five-year plans?
    and he accepted the country after the 1st World War and Civil War
    For some reason it took him less than 20 years, without any margin of safety from his ancestors, by the way

    Are you sure you want Stalin’s five-year plans? :)
    After all, they won’t allow you to sit on the Internet and write comments. People will come there to plow from dawn to dusk, but if you don’t want to, there are still a lot of forests in the north.
    Many do not understand, or pretend that they do not understand, how different everyone’s lives would be if they returned to Stalin’s methods.
    It’s always so funny to read about “and Stalin in 20 years...”
    1. +1
      4 March 2024 15: 44
      Quote: Peaceful SEO
      After all, they won’t allow you to sit on the Internet and write comments. People will come there to plow from dawn to dusk, but if you don’t want to, there are still a lot of forests in the north.

      From dawn to dusk - this is only at the plant and on the first shift. And the managers had to work from lunch to breakfast - because the temporary detention center liked to work with documents at night, checking numbers and deadlines with those in charge over the phone.
    2. +2
      4 March 2024 23: 47
      Quote: Peaceful SEO
      They'll come there to plow from dawn to dusk

      You won't believe it, but quite a lot of people do this. Only they don’t see the results of their labor. And then we saw it.
  56. -2
    4 March 2024 13: 19
    the author has written a lot and is interesting, sometimes even heartbreaking)))) but I would like to ask him one question - has he tried to compare the military budget of the United States (NATO) and Russia? When you look at the order of the numbers, it immediately becomes clear that you need to choose one thing, at least for now.
  57. 0
    4 March 2024 13: 23
    That's right. Only the cart is still there. No technology, no planes!
  58. +3
    4 March 2024 13: 31
    The author should be thanked for raising a relevant topic. There is no need to discuss the quality of the article and completeness, because... It is impossible to cram this topic into one article. The author went through the top and received a lot of comments. The author needs to prepare such sensitive topics in a series of articles, about 10 in number. The radar field in the Russian Federation is full of holes, and can only be closed with a systematic approach. Vega, this is Verba + Mikheev + Kulish, consider them relatives. Who covered them, Borisov, Chemezov. Everyone is in business, in power. The A-100 began in 2000. Those who started R&D in 2000 can be understood; they had the task of surviving after the 90s.
  59. +1
    4 March 2024 14: 12
    In general, for special aircraft: AWACS, RC, submarine, PP, one base aircraft is needed - such as Tu204 (MS21). In our version (we don’t have bases all over the world), maybe a long-range version in the form of Il96-400.
    The point is not the gluttony of the turbojet engine, the PS90 is a completely modern engine (most importantly, serial). Any pass airliner is lighter than a ramp airplane (chassis, fuselage, ramp), which means fuel and range. You need to take what is mass-produced - antenna arrays and radars in the country are mass-produced for both air defense systems and fighters. For example, Irbis for Su35S. Everything for it is serial and on-board computer and PFAR.
  60. -3
    4 March 2024 14: 23
    "Chief, everything is gone, everything is gone! The plaster is being removed, the client is leaving... I'll kill him, I'll tell you...!" (Classics of the genre).
  61. +2
    4 March 2024 14: 49
    ...another question - where is the A-100?...

    Is the author unaware?
    Back in January 2021, Shoigu said:
    “Today everyone - some with anger, some with approval - understands and states that the Russian army has more than 70%, or more precisely, almost 71% of modern weapons and equipment. This is the highest percentage among all the armies of the world,” Shoigu said on Wednesday at a meeting with the team of the Rostvertol company.

    What other questions?
    We hope and bow. Elections are just around the corner, and where are you, where are you... wink
  62. -2
    4 March 2024 14: 57
    Direct quote from the article: “But, sorry, budgets in the USA are not being used!”
    I will list examples of US budget development:
    1. F-35, repeated increase in the cost of the program without guarantees of bringing the aircraft to the required combat readiness. The rigmarole has been going on for the third decade, but Lockheed Martin Corporation has its finger on the pulse of the patient and is mastering...
    2. Zumwalt class destroyers. Just a song about not mastering.
    3. Littoral ships, developed as part of the LCS program. The service life was reduced several times. The cost of repairs and maintenance of one ship is comparable to that of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, and the LCS is a sub-frigate, similar in combat capabilities to a sophisticated corvette. About 20 ships were laid down for 500 million dollars (in 2008 prices)
    4. SBX sea-based radar. A single copy that did not reach the calculated operating parameters. Cost: $900 million (of which approximately $750 million is installed equipment).
    5. Airborne YAL-1 laser. In total, $5,3 billion was spent on developing the laser and it took four years of work; as a result, the YAL-1 program was closed, and the only prototype was mothballed.
    6. Project of reconnaissance and combat helicopter RAH-66 Comanche (1991-2004). By the time the work was completed, about $7 billion had been spent on the project.
    If the Boeing E-3 Sentry is so outdated, then why haven’t they been written off and are they being used against Russia in the Northern Military District?
    1. 0
      4 March 2024 15: 55
      Quote: Arey2
      5. Airborne YAL-1 laser. In total, $5,3 billion was spent on developing the laser and it took four years of work; as a result, the YAL-1 program was closed, and the only prototype was mothballed.

      The funny thing is that this program was doomed to failure in advance, because you can’t fool physics. As soon as the atmosphere appears in the path of propagation of a powerful laser beam, second-order nonlinear distortions immediately appear, caused by the influence of the beam on the propagation medium. The best known is the change in refractive index as a function of intensity, which leads to the formation of a lens and self-focusing of the beam with subsequent divergence.
      Quote: Arey2
      6. Project of reconnaissance and combat helicopter RAH-66 Comanche (1991-2004). By the time the work was completed, about $7 billion had been spent on the project.

      And this is only the first approach to a projectile for a “helicopter to replace the Kiowa.” After the termination of the LHX program, a similar ARH program was started. And after its cancellation, FARA, which was also terminated. And all with the same participants - Bell, Boeing. and Sikorsky.
    2. 0
      5 March 2024 10: 58
      You first get to the US budget and then our bureaucrats will successfully master everything.....Printing the dollar in the US annually before the pandemic was 1 trillion, now it is 3-4-5 trillion dollars and access to all the technologies and licenses in the world. If they needed it, we would build them an A100 and sell the license.
  63. -4
    4 March 2024 15: 00
    I read the comments.
    How many boars are still sitting here? Why are you sitting here? You need to run as far as possible. Otherwise it will be too late later.
    According to the article.
    The article is correct and I mostly support it. I also agree that someone (Manturov, Borisov) is not doing enough work in their place. Although it’s more likely not them, but their deputies in the area of ​​aviation.
    IL 76 in some variants can and should be replaced. Because we need to completely update the BTA and form additional shelves.
    For example, on the basis of the IL 96 -400, it is still necessary to make a strategic tanker. There was information that they were trying, but then for some reason they refused. My opinion was in vain rejected.
    There is a TU 204/214 aircraft. And there is also a powerful aircraft plant that is practically not working. My opinion is that it is necessary to concentrate the efforts of Ulyanovsk on the repairs of the An 124 and the production of the Il 76. Kazan is engaged in the production of the Tu 160, and the repair of the Tu 22. And the Tu 204/214 should be transferred for production to Samara. Of course, before this, this aircraft plant must be nationalized.
    And on these planes to sculpt a modern AWACS. Although it is possible to purchase these complexes from the Chinese.
    1. -2
      5 March 2024 11: 01
      I wouldn’t link the AWACS itself and the carrier at all. AWACS can be shoved into the A321 and B7373 - there are a lot of them that we have arrested (which cannot fly abroad) that are almost new. This will solve the short-term problem and give us AWACS. When a national carrier appears - Tu204 or MS21 or SSZh100 - there will be an already proven AWACS complex.
  64. +1
    4 March 2024 15: 02
    I agree with the author on almost everything, except for one thing - the PS-90A’s fuel consumption is insane. Yes, this is not a very new engine, but not old either. And its fuel consumption is quite acceptable, about 0,6 kg/kgf per hour. Some IL-76s fly on the D-30, which has decent consumption by modern standards.
  65. -5
    4 March 2024 15: 57
    It is clear that the author is a dreamer on the couch, in a warm room, who has nothing to do with the war in the country. Just thoughts out loud... . Therefore, he reaches out to all the best that already exists, not realizing that now, this is not the case when there is time, money, and human resources to develop something new. The author looks like a teenager, with great ambitions, and is completely out of touch with reality. Wanting is not harmful, as they say, not wanting is harmful, in his case. Very naive instructions towards defense. To write an article is not for you to do development work. But one thing is clear: the author has no idea what it means to develop a new radar system on a new chassis. For him, this matter is simpler than what has already been mastered. How far away a dreamer do you need to be? In peacetime, you can afford to develop something new, but in conditions of war, and a total shortage of everything, this is at least not far-sighted. And yet, yes, it’s better to have an old and large plane that is operational and working in the sky now than nothing, for many years, in the hope of novelty.
  66. -3
    4 March 2024 16: 01
    In general, the idea itself is flawed. The emitter should be on a cheap UAV or balloon, and anyone can listen to the reflected signal, including airplanes and satellites and ground-based radars. The signal can encode the time and coordinates of the sender, similar to the mathematics of GPS.
    1. DO
      -1
      4 March 2024 16: 45
      Quote from: Misha Bolshoy
      The emitter should be on a cheap UAV or balloon, and anyone can listen to the reflected signal, including airplanes and satellites and ground-based radars.

      In this case, it is impossible to synchronize the radiation patterns of the transmitting and receiving antennas, therefore the receiver antenna must have a radiation pattern width of at least 120 degrees. For comparison, in reconnaissance radars the beam width of the transceiver antenna is about 1 degree. Consequently, the noise immunity of such a semi-omnidirectional receiver will drop by 120 times, and the range, accordingly, will also drop.
    2. +1
      5 March 2024 11: 02
      The emitter needs energy in kW and it weighs its power in tons........The further you want to see, the more powerful the carrier is needed.
      1. DO
        0
        6 March 2024 18: 08
        Quote: Zaurbek
        The further you want to see, the more powerful the carrier is needed.

        A technical and economic solution is always a combination of compromises that is optimal for a specific task.
        What is the use of an ultra-expensive monstrous emitter that takes 2 years to produce if it is shot down by the enemy after a few days of operation? For the Ukrainian Armed Forces, in order to destroy this priority target, will ask their Western partners for the necessary weapon (perhaps not yet serially produced and unknown to our intelligence), will not be too lazy to secretly drag it to the LBS, and using NATO intelligence information will successfully use it against our huge slow-moving radar reconnaissance aircraft.
        Therefore, the range will have to be reduced by using a panel radar on a fast carrier - a fighter that can operate reasonably close to the LBS, and has a chance to evade the enemy missile. And most importantly, the price (open export, which is googled) of the A-50 is about $500 million, and the Su-34 - $50 million. Upgrading an old Su-27 into a drone will cost even less.
        1. 0
          7 March 2024 09: 17
          Absolutely right...that's why we need to look for compromises.
  67. -4
    4 March 2024 16: 06
    It is clear that the author is a dreamer on the couch, in a warm room, who has nothing to do with the war in the country. Just thoughts out loud... . Therefore, he reaches out to everything that is best that already exists, not realizing that now, this is not the case when there is time, money, and human resources to develop something new. This is exactly the case to at least improve what has already been mastered, and what they can do, and even then it’s slow. The author looks like a teenager, with great ambitions, and is completely out of touch with reality. Wanting is not harmful, as they say, it is harmful not to want, especially in his case. Very naive instructions towards defense. To write an article is not for you to do development work. But one thing is clear: the author has no idea what it means to develop a new radar complex on a new base. Other countries are not at war, so they can build from scratch. For the author, this matter is simpler than what has already been mastered. How far away a dreamer do you need to be? In peacetime, you can afford to develop something new, but in conditions of war, and a total shortage of everything, this is at least not far-sighted. And yet, yes, it’s better to have an old and large plane, but operational and working in the sky now, than nothing, for many years, in the hope of newness.
  68. DO
    0
    4 March 2024 16: 29
    attention, question: how many A-50s will we have left by 2030?
    One can only guess, because modern conditions do not imply any clear forecasts at all, starting with the reasons for the reduction of the A-50 list.

    In addition to the above quote, the rest of the text of this article discusses questions that are of little significance compared to the question posed in the quote but left unanswered. For if we extrapolate media reports unconfirmed by the Ministry of Defense about the losses of two A-50s in the Northern Military District, then the continued use of the A-50 for reconnaissance of the rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces over several months will lead to the loss of all available A-50s. Consequently, the Russian army will be left without radar reconnaissance aircraft at all, because
    from A-50 they made A-50U in two years

    What needs to be done so that in the coming months the Russian Armed Forces are not left completely without radar reconnaissance aircraft for the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (or the rear of NATO, in the event of the opening of a second front)? Obviously, there is only one way to solve this problem - several fighters carrying a fixed panel radar with AFAR (electronically scanned array), connected by a radio channel to the ground operations center. Today there is a serial reconnaissance version of the Su-34 with the Sych UKP-RL side-view radar. In the future, it would be advisable to use panel radar on old Su-27s, upgraded to drones, and on new unmanned Su-75s when they go into production.
    Many commentators criticize this decision, pointing out that its range is less than that of the A-50. But firstly, such a solution is better than no solution at all. Secondly, a promising unmanned reconnaissance fighter with a Sych radar or other panel radar on board can operate reasonably close to the LBS.
    What about the existing A-50s? Obviously, its powerful reconnaissance capabilities would be very useful in protecting the Northern Sea Route and in the Far East, as well as for patrolling the Moscow region, the eastern part of the North-West region, and the Kola Peninsula.
    Yes, for an AWACS aircraft intended to patrol the deep Russian rear and the northern and eastern borders of the Russian Federation, it is advisable to use small and inexpensive propeller-driven aircraft as a radar carrier. However, for some reason the author does not mention such a carrier as a heavy UAV, for example Altius or its analogue, which can carry, for example, the same suspended radar "Sych". A small propeller-driven AWACS aircraft with a full set of antennas, whose operators work remotely on the ground, can also be unmanned.
    1. 0
      8 March 2024 13: 44
      DO, if you don’t understand, I’ll explain: drill aircraft are the core of the air force. And they solve the problems of fighting enemy aircraft and missiles. But they don’t carry out reconnaissance of the Northern Sea Route and everything else that you write about.
      1. DO
        0
        9 March 2024 00: 16
        Quote from Savage3000
        DRLO aircraft are the core of the air force. And they solve the problems of fighting enemy aircraft and missiles. They don't do reconnaissance

        If we take into account the satellite constellation (which the RF Armed Forces have insufficient for continuous surveillance), then where there are weak spots in the air defense radar field, solving hypothetical problems of combating enemy missiles is technically impossible without radar reconnaissance. Which is the main function of an AWACS aircraft. Yes, and AWACS aircraft operators can, in addition to the main reconnaissance function, direct missiles at enemy targets and control aviation actions.
        You have not substantively substantiated why the A-50 cannot be used to protect the Northern Sea Route.
        1. 0
          April 4 2024 19: 55
          Do, because the A-50 has a resource. And driving them to the northern sea route is stupid and unnecessary. That's all. They are not for these tasks. Nobody does that.
          1. DO
            0
            April 5 2024 20: 55
            Quote from Savage3000
            Nobody does that.

            By “nobody” do you mean the USA? So the Russians have not yet encroached on Alaska. But the Americans are drooling over the Russian Northern Sea Route, and they don’t hide it.
  69. +1
    4 March 2024 16: 47
    I wonder why nobody is talking about a quadcopter based mobile AW radar
  70. +2
    4 March 2024 16: 56
    Bottom. From which it is problematic to emerge under.
  71. +1
    4 March 2024 17: 35
    Absolutely true in the article.
    Here you still need to think about it - AWACS is reconnaissance. Exploration is where it all begins and is planned!
    1. +1
      7 March 2024 10: 39
      AWACS now in NATO is like Mavic at our front...Reconnaissance and online support of all aviation actions...., and modern AWACS duplicates RC aircraft on the ground.
  72. +1
    4 March 2024 17: 37
    All that remains is to quote Stalin, which by the way Medvedev is doing and praise him for this (without irony) - “Personnel decide everything.” In this word "everything" there really is everything. And with our personnel, to put it mildly, so as not to be banned......... Full paragraph. And not only in the defense industry, but also in finance and other structures. We would like a smart deputy, our president or a smart head of the Administration, so that he knows production and finance, etc.
  73. +1
    4 March 2024 19: 00
    The reality, it seems to me, is that the hunt for large AWACS aircraft will continue until everything is destroyed, and replenishing them in the required quantities is unrealistic. Making an “iron dome” over everyone at the expense of protecting other objects is problematic, and several escort fighters are probably not enough. It is probably impossible to attach an additional 76-30 interceptor missiles to each Il-40 because the entire structure needs to be redesigned. The option of distributing reconnaissance across many fighters, which are more protected, and drones, which we don’t mind, seems to be the most rational, if, of course, we have the time and capabilities.
    1. DO
      0
      4 March 2024 22: 06
      Quote: geologist
      The reality, it seems to me, is that the hunt for large AWACS aircraft will continue until everything is destroyed, and replenishing them in the required quantities is unrealistic.

      Quote: geologist
      The option of distributing reconnaissance across many fighters, which are more protected, and drones, which we don’t mind, seems to be the most rational, if, of course, we have the time and capabilities.

      That is, if there is no “time and opportunity” (and personally, I would instead write “if there is no will to win”), the Russian Armed Forces will face NATO forces without any radar reconnaissance aircraft at all.
  74. +2
    4 March 2024 19: 30
    How reasonable it was in general to count on purchasing components from foreign manufacturers for a military aircraft - let those who have to do it judge.
    Correction: let those who did this be judged.
  75. +2
    4 March 2024 20: 12
    The conclusions in the article were clear back in 2015. Although the A100 example started at the beginning of the XNUMXs, the project stalled, like all modern projects in Russia, apparently “effective managers” think only about how to make money for themselves rather than about state security or the interests of society and the state, and they always find an excuse for themselves , and apparently no one bears responsibility for the failure and non-fulfillment of important weapons programs. All this time, our military was waiting for modern weapons, but then it suddenly turned out that it was expensive, or not yet ready, or not entirely import-substituted, failure after failure. We have reached the point where if something is delivered on time and works well, then it is an exception to the rule.
  76. 0
    4 March 2024 20: 25
    Throughout our entire army, we have the same situation as with these same AWACS; each plant survived as best it could.
    Since 2022, only the factories have started operating at full capacity.
    Just think, why kill teams of specialists on these AWACS; in theory, AWACS should generally fly in unmanned mode.
    https://dzen.ru/a/ZeWQEpjT6RVz7O_p
    We have an S-70, so it’s better to make an AWACS so that the plane flies and the AWACS sends all the information to it
    Air defense fires at planes, if we are talking about air defense vehicles, they weigh 100 tons and they cannot go far.
    1. 0
      4 March 2024 20: 31
      Our pilots have no reason to be afraid of air defense, and the problem is that someone taught them to fly low. But if the planes were flying high, they would detect where they fired from, and automatically shoot all the missiles at the same place. The advantage of aircraft missiles is that they can fly to the target twice as fast
      I believe that you can fight enemy air defense systems if you form a formation of aircraft at a great distance. And it is possible to send drones first in a row.
      For example, if you make the targets similar, then the air defense will not know who is flying towards them
      Well, look, you can make different drones, including ones that look like airplanes. Only empty inside. All old planes must be converted into targets for the enemy
    2. +1
      4 March 2024 20: 36
      The Americans have reconnaissance vehicles flying ahead of them, so we need these at first and not these AWACS.
      To overcome enemy air defenses you need a strategy. Not to send a couple of planes, but to hit them completely
      We make small unmanned aerial vehicles, but we now need heavy unmanned aircraft, preferably on old aircraft
      Old planes are most often placed on stands for long-term storage, so we need to convert old planes into drones. And make new ones.
    3. +1
      4 March 2024 20: 42
      Then look, why do we need AWACS if we can use Space and it is forbidden to shoot down satellites there? Which is probably what the US is using. Can't we make powerful radars that can be seen from space?
      A couple of dozen satellites are enough to monitor Ukraine 24 hours a day
  77. pop
    0
    4 March 2024 20: 43
    All this because there is no opposition
  78. +1
    4 March 2024 21: 27
    Well, finally, a smart and serious article on VO. I have already written comments on this topic several times, saying that you need to remove the mushroom and use a lighter carrier. But... the problem lies in the hardware. And in such quantities, carry it through gray channels through Kazakhstan in a suitcase - the handles will come off
  79. -7
    4 March 2024 21: 39
    Well, the couch potatoes have come to an agreement: they already intend to disperse everyone in Rostec, and at the same time Manturov, due to the fact that our AWACS is of low quality, and there is no new aircraft to create a new AWACS. If you are dissatisfied with the state of affairs on this issue, take care of it all together from those who disagree. The West has been making its technology in any industry for about a hundred years continuously, but in just 80 years we created the high-tech USSR and destroyed it, giving away our secrets to the entire West in 20 years. Now, in 24 years, we have already recreated an economic society that is technically not lagging behind the same West. Well, we haven’t received a new AWACS yet, but it will be soon, Putin wouldn’t have kept Chemezov if he didn’t believe in him.
    1. +2
      5 March 2024 15: 49
      Quote: Anchonsha
      Putin would not have kept Chemezov if he did not believe in him.

      And they also believed in Chubais as a nanogenius. And now where is Chubais, where is nano. Almost like in a joke... nano is not nano for us! With your logic and the irresponsibility of officials, Russia is already turning into a superpower, only the nuclear power gives it weight. Personally, I still have a question: will all this really fly or explode at the right moment? But it won’t be like with other new products announced for 15-20 years, which we only see at parades. The result of two years of war has shown that no one is afraid of us anymore; they know better than us the state of our military-industrial complex and who leads it.
  80. +2
    4 March 2024 22: 15
    Neither the A-50 nor the A-100 can solve existing problems based on their characteristics and budget. We really need AWACS aircraft for general control of the airspace, and this, taking into account the distances and cost of operation, can only be drones capable of staying in the air for 12+ hours without refueling, having an AFAR capable of highlighting drones with a span of more than 1 m against the background of the ground, and having very good information exchange channels and repeaters. We also need a completely different aerodynamic network in structure. We also need unmanned balloons, airships and boats to solve private patrol tasks.
  81. -1
    5 March 2024 06: 48
    “What we really need is a small plane” - I have it: Mig-31
    1. 0
      5 March 2024 11: 03
      Or Su35S with almost the same radar. Why not put it on the Tu204? It will be more durable and more comfortable...
  82. 0
    5 March 2024 07: 17
    I probably won’t seem original, but in order to eliminate all this mess going on in the military-industrial complex, and not only in it, the country needs a leader like Stalin, and a manager like Beria. So that at the mere mention of these names out loud, all officials, from the lowest clerk to minister-senators, shudder in fear and cross themselves, looking for portraits of the said comrades on the walls of their offices....
    Then there will be order in the military-industrial complex and in industry, and in the country as a whole...
  83. -2
    5 March 2024 08: 45
    Of course, building an airplane is not writing an article. Here you need to think and work a lot. And we have fewer and fewer people who want to hump. All on everyone’s mind is the size of the salary and vacation at the resort, and the benefits they bring do not interest them. Why moan now?
    1. 0
      8 March 2024 12: 49
      there are people who want to work and earn money... so you come up with a super idea, they will formalize you at your plant, they will crap your pants, they will kill your idea, and they will also punish you for money. And after six months you find out that someone wrote this idea in their name and designed it, and they still force you to do it, motivating “if you don’t like it, get out”... and you won’t prove or show anything, and you’ll think - why do you need all this, the day has passed and okay.. And if you need to do something no matter what they think, you will do it and you won’t tell anyone what you did, because then there will be a reason to bargain... The problem is in the evaluation of work, in remuneration, in feedback between management and employees ( there are no requirements for information and for its analysis - it is fashionable to simply say that someone is to blame and this is enough to remove the attention of the authorities)
      1. 0
        10 March 2024 23: 02
        If you are smart, find investors and implement your idea yourself.
        1. 0
          14 March 2024 17: 08
          according to the latest scientific articles, in order to realize your statement - the mind in this case does not occupy the main place... not the main thing at all...
          1. 0
            26 March 2024 19: 27
            A pathetic excuse for a person who doesn’t want to take risks and get involved in his business
  84. -1
    5 March 2024 09: 16
    Well, specifically in terms of Ukraine, it is very good to restore the dying plant in Kumertau and fill it with orders for turntables (we really need all types), but with an emphasis on AWACS.
    It takes 10-12 pieces to close the entire border of Ukraine with the Russian Federation, the Republic of Belarus and the Black Sea in shifts. Well, you need at least 4 more to make up for losses and take the cars out for maintenance and repair. That is, 6 AWACS turntables will hang in the air not urgently, but stupidly 24/7.
    And the A-50 can only be driven in exceptional cases.
  85. 0
    5 March 2024 09: 48
    Why is the Author surprised? There was also an article about how they work at a Penza research institute since the early 90s. And I have strong suspicions that they work this way not only there.
  86. +2
    5 March 2024 11: 28
    On May 29, 2012, Lockheed Martin completed the delivery of PTDS (Persistent Threat Detection System) balloons under the latest contract awarded to the 29th US Army Group. Since the start of this program (2004), the company has supplied the US military with 66 such systems.

    https://topwar.ru/27953-razvedyvatelnye-aerostaty-na-vooruzhenii-armii-ssha.html
  87. -1
    5 March 2024 15: 35

    PS: but there is a “culture” channel on TV. There is no “science” channel. The country of winning lyricists. When the heroes of the new generation are singers, TikTokers and other buffoons

    There is a science channel.
  88. 0
    5 March 2024 21: 17
    At the beginning of the year we had 10 A-50s, however, they reported the loss of 2 vehicles, but they were not officially confirmed. In addition, since 31 A-50s were produced, but they were not exported, it is quite possible that in reality we have much more A-50s, albeit not so new. - Data on 10 A-50s in service with the Aerospace Forces for 2024 are data from The Military Balance 2024. - P. 200. One can argue about the degree of awareness of The Military Balance and the degree of its objectivity. So not everything is as bleak as the author makes it out to be.

    Currently, the Aerospace Forces operate 10 A-50 aircraft. 14 are in storage, practically in the “morgue”. There are also 6 A-50Us - these are modernized A-50s. That is 16 aircraft.

    https://news.rambler.ru/disasters/43995443-vozdushnaya-razvedka-shoygu-ostalas-bez-premera/

    That. Russia actually has approx. 30 A-50, and this is significantly more than 8, as the author writes about it. As for the production and implementation of the stated plans, we were quite frightened by the fact that the Su-35 will never take off, but it flies and fights, that the Su-57 and Armata will never be put into mass production, and yet they are mass-produced . We have to wait: deliveries of the first A-100 will follow this year, everything will be seen soon. Since we have as many as 14 A-50s in storage, we only need to change the electronic filling, and this is unlikely to take much time; we are not talking about several years for the production of one A-50 (A-100).
    As for the idea of ​​producing ultra-small AWACS aircraft. It is a bad idea. We already have a negative experience with the Il-112, then everyone tried to make a profit by building an ultra-cheap airplane, in the end, no one needs it, they will create a new one - the Il-212. And so: you can cram many times more equipment into a large airplane and weight return increases. And the main thing is time: it will take 10 years to create an ultra-small AWACS aircraft and the same amount of time, if not more, to produce.. So let them build the A-50 - A-100..
    1. -1
      8 March 2024 13: 35
      Andrey, what nonsense
      are you carrying??? People and horses mixed together.

      For your understanding: at the beginning of the year, Russia had 8-9 A-50U. That's all. All other old A-50s are not functional. The alleged loss of 2x A-50u was reported. Plus, the new A-50U was delivered this week.

      So consider.

      On the topic of modernization. Over the 25 years of tsarist rule, 9-10 aircraft were modernized. You can estimate the time frame for modernizing one A-50.

      We cannot produce the A-100 and no one will receive it in the next 5 years. Even the first experienced one. Learn materiel.
      1. 0
        9 March 2024 18: 08
        I posted a link: at the beginning of the year we had 10 A-50s, +14 in warehouses, a number of them have been modernized. As for losses, these are only data provided to the Ukrainian side, nothing more, the Ministry of Defense did not confirm them....
        As for the pace of modernization, it solely depended and depends on the desire of the Ministry of Defense: they modernized as much as was needed (in addition, they saved the A-50 reserve in warehouses). As the needs increase, the pace of modernization will increase (after all, it’s not much work: throw away old computers and install new ones). As for the A-100, no one was going to “produce” it: they would have taken the old A-50 from the hangar and slightly “upgraded” it, but it could be called differently: at least A-50, at least A-100, at least A-200. And it won’t take much time (see above)
  89. +1
    6 March 2024 01: 26
    It’s time to transfer the AWACS function to the UAV platform
  90. +1
    6 March 2024 11: 37
    Are those who chose imported components to build the radar??? And in my opinion, those who made it so that a modern radar with the characteristics specified in the technical specifications cannot be built from domestic components are to blame! It is impossible to make A50 using the components used in A100U. On "Ruslan" or "Mriya" one would have to install such a "mushroom".
  91. +1
    7 March 2024 01: 37
    We must pray every day for the communists, who felt that they could be replaced by absolute mediocrities and left us huge reserves of weapons that protect us hi
  92. 0
    7 March 2024 11: 00
    Failure in technology in general and military technology in particular is a direct consequence of failure in science and industry. If in science, instead of developing Soviet research centers, the authorities relied on Chubais’s Skolkovo (with a predictable result), then in industry we have more than 30 years of deindustrialization of Russia. Thousands of factories were killed, the personnel training system was killed, competencies were lost...
    And no one is responsible for this collapse; their manuals have long contained an explanation - “the factories were inefficient, the market decided”...
  93. +1
    7 March 2024 18: 46
    Where is our AFAR? This is the answer why you have to use IL76...
    1. -1
      8 March 2024 13: 31
      What does afar give you? A? Does a plane turn into a UFO?
  94. 0
    8 March 2024 00: 20
    The author famously loaded the 737-700 by as much as 160 tons. It turned out like in that joke “and now with all this crap we’ll try to take off.” Of course, I would like more lighter, cheaper drill machines, but this is the time to work from the ground, and they were needed yesterday. Work on the A-100 has been going on for years and it would be faster to bring it to production. And the antenna... Why doesn’t the author allow the placement of the much-loved afar in the same hat, but motionless - that’s all angles and there’s no need to rotate anything. Another question is how to achieve a quick series, but putting any aircraft into production takes time
  95. 0
    8 March 2024 09: 46
    What can we say? What we see is either negligence mixed with incompetence, or pathological greed for budget development, and most likely both. Just as there was and still is no competent body for analysis and planning in the field of the armed forces. Our bright heads from Moscow will learn about what exactly the troops need in the second year of the war. We are no longer talking about setting fashion in weapons systems, we are talking about the fact that even with data on the enemy’s trends and developments, WE prefer to stupidly master the budget. Even with advanced or simply relevant developments on hand, they are ignored in favor of monopolies and outside purchases.
    None of the decision makers own the military economy.
    Back in the 80s, it was calculated that one guided projectile hitting a target was cheaper than the 120 conventional ones needed to hit it. On the topic of the article, it’s generally a complete failure. They simply don’t listen to those who have been talking about the critical lag in this area for 20 years. There is an impression that they still think in terms of peacetime.
  96. 0
    8 March 2024 12: 43
    The one who asks the question “who is to blame” is to blame. such people don’t need anything, such people need nothing...
    You look at the photo that in the West they are experimenting, looking for a solution, investing in experiments, regularly, constantly - and this is money that will then pay off. But looking at our factory, issues are resolved in a completely different way: they just shout “if you don’t like it, get out,” they constantly assign blame, they say a bunch of words and everything about personality. And it comes out. that the problem was what it was and remains, everyone is scolded, punished and for the sake of appearance they will stick it so that they don’t pester and count... the mentality needs to be changed, evaluated and paid for work... otherwise the workers will come up with something, then one manager will rewrite this idea, then another, and what works but is difficult to steal - everything is prohibited... And this attitude starts from the police, bailiffs, courts, traffic police and others... as long as you don’t bother and you won’t be counted.
  97. 0
    8 March 2024 13: 30
    Author, you are spouting nonsense. No Boeing 737 will replace large drill aircraft with a large radar.

    If you don’t know, headlights and afars do not provide any increase in range.
    And the range and capabilities of small drones are less than large aircraft with a radar mushroom.
  98. +1
    8 March 2024 13: 48
    not the most modern PS-90A engines, which, although reliable, like the AK-74, have simply insane fuel consumption
    +++++++++++++++++++++++××

    Skomorokhov, you are in your repertoire! You are writing about a military topic and are confusing the D-30 engine found on the old Il-76 and the PS-90A engine installed on the new Il-76. And also on the Tu-204 and other aircraft.
  99. +1
    10 March 2024 16: 30
    The cost of one Embraer ERJ is not 20 million dollars, as the author writes, but 80 million dollars, which is significantly more than https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_R-99. How much do our A-50s cost? - If we keep in mind that we are only talking about the modernization of already produced machines, then - not much:

    Recently, new information has appeared about the future of the A-50U project. On May 18, Izvestia reported that the delivery of two planes at once was planned for 2021. An unnamed source in the defense industry also indicated the cost of the work. The modernization of each of the aircraft will cost the Ministry of Defense more than 600 million rubles.

    https://topwar.ru/171373-osobennosti-vypuska-samoletov-a-50u.html

    Thus, the modernized A-50 (as an option - the A-100) will cost some 6-7 million dollars, which is mere pennies in comparison with the Embraer ERJ. Meanwhile, the capabilities of our A-50 are incomparably higher than those of the “embrayer”; if it controls the airspace for 350-400 km around, then our A-50s control up to 800 km. The difference is obvious. Well, and then, if we really need small AWACS carriers, we can create them on the basis of the S-70 Okhotnik: it has approximately the same take-off weight as the Embraer, we must assume that the payload is similar, well, the crew won't have to risk it...
  100. 0
    11 March 2024 04: 22
    They can't make airplanes, why not make reconnaissance balloons??? It is cheap, does not require pilots and is effective in combating UAVs; they can stay in the air at high altitudes for a long time. The Chinese have been making them for a long time.