Tu-160M: a symbol of deterrence or an instrument of destruction?

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Tu-160M: a symbol of deterrence or an instrument of destruction?

Vladimir Putin in the cockpit of the Tu-160 strategic bomber. Photo Alexey Panov/TASS


So, Putin was at the controls of the updated and modernized Tu-160M.



This, of course, is good, because if the plane was shown to the Commander-in-Chief, it means that everything was brought to perfection. I doubt that anyone would risk “hanging noodles”; it could be very expensive.


Well, it’s not for nothing that some in the West are still fuming from the video sequence where Putin deigned to fly. Out of envy, probably, because not everyone is given this. I would say - the chosen ones. There aren’t that many of these planes, so if someone from abroad gets a ride on the White Swan, you know, they have to earn it.

But let's take a look from the past to the future


Everything is clear with the past: they began producing the Tu-160 in 1984, but stopped in 1992 due to the collapse of the USSR. In Kazan, thank God and the plant, they did not lose their grip and documentation and did not sell them to those who wanted them (as in the Yakovlev Design Bureau with the Yak-141), but maintained in combat-ready condition those vehicles that they managed to produce. Low bow and warm gratitude.

Now, different times have come, and even though they will tinker with the hypothetical PAK DA for another 10 years and it is not a fact that they will give birth to something decent, the president ordered the resumption of production of the Tu-160.

The factory coped with the task, but there is a small “BUT”: an aircraft manufactured in 1984 and an aircraft manufactured in 2024 are, as it were, two different aircraft! Forty years in aviation evolution is not just a lot, but a lot. Like two generations.

And even more has changed over these forty years. In addition to the fact that lamps were replaced by transistors, and transistors gave way to microcircuits, the web of production chains, which was stretched across many republics of the former Soviet Union, was also broken.

And here comes modernization


In general, we do a lot in spite of, not thanks to. This happened this time too, and Kazan aircraft manufacturers were able to accomplish another labor feat: make a new aircraft.


Not externally, of course. Internally. Externally, the Tu-160 cannot be distinguished from the Tu-160M, but inside they are two completely different aircraft. And the modernized aircraft is an aircraft of the 21st century with all that it implies: the automatic on-board control system, the fuel management complex, the aviation system, and the weapons control system have been replaced. Naturally, in the new aircraft control system there is no room left for analog instruments; it is completely digital.

Experts believe that the digital system not only simplified and facilitated the work of the crew, but also improved many flight and operational characteristics. There is no reason not to believe them; a digital system is naturally more accurate and not subject to external influences in the same way as an analog one.

So the task set in 2018 can be considered completed. Then it’s just a matter of building new aircraft from scratch.

Here, assessing the work of all KAZ employees, it is necessary to note that the creation of a new aircraft also required new technologies. Some aspects had to be changed due to their obsolescence, and some had to be replaced because they remained outside the borders of Russia. To recreate the Tu-160, it was necessary to modernize part of the plant, and for the appearance of the Tu-160M, it was necessary to modernize almost all production areas. And a lot was missed. The main task of restoring production of the Tu-160 was the task of restoring beam welding of the central beam of the aircraft. But they did an excellent job.

In January 2022 it happened historical event. The newly built Tu-160, more precisely, the Tu-160M ​​immediately made its first flight from the airfield in Kazan. A new countdown has begun.

Now let's talk a little about what these aircraft are rich in in terms of weapons.


X-55/X-555 are rather old and not very easy to maintain doomsday missiles.

Kh-15P/S in a non-nuclear version is an option for conducting conflicts of the SVO type. The missile is even more ancient compared to the X-55, but is not without charm in terms of its speed of 4-5M at the final leg of its aeroballistic trajectory.

X-101/X-102 is more modern weapon, very long-range, and therefore slow. The cruising speed is about 1 km/h, but the flight range is up to 000 km.

X-BD. This is a modernization of the X-101, aimed at increasing the flight range, and, according to the Minister of Defense, the range of the new missile reaches 6 km at the same subsonic flight speed of up to 500 km/h.

Total: The Tu-160M ​​is primarily a strategic missile carrier, designed to transport missiles as close as possible to enemy territory for the subsequent launch of cruise or aeroballistic missiles with nuclear warheads at targets on enemy territory.

Well, secondly, the Tu-160 can (but is not necessary) be used to strike targets on the territory of the same Ukraine with cruise missiles with non-nuclear warheads.


Why not? First of all, the cost of such a strike exceeds all reasonable limits. Expensive rockets, expensive planes. The Tu-95 and Tu-22M can now cope with such tasks quite well. This, by the way, is the answer to the question why our strategic bombers do not fly.

In general, a strategic missile carrier is a deterrent weapon by its very presence or an instrument for delivering the first and last nuclear strike. Using it as a regular long-range bomber or missile carrier is like driving a Lamborghini to the market for groceries. There are a lot of show-offs, but the exhaust in terms of price/quality ratio will be so-so.

As the practice of the Northern Military District has shown, the Tu-160 is really not needed there; all objects on the territory of this country are within the reach of missiles launched from cheaper carriers. And considering how our air defense works in the northwestern defense zone (we won’t clarify anything further, everything is clear), the moral and reputational damage from the loss of such an aircraft as the Tu-160 will be simply enormous. Although, after the loss of two more rare A-50 vehicles for the VKS, heads did not roll, but I emphasize that the people will not understand and will not appreciate the destruction of such vehicles as the Tu-160 for the sake of some trivial bombing of targets on the territory of Ukraine.

And in general, the Tu-160 can now puzzle a third of the world from the airspace above its main base in Engels.


Here, by the way, it makes sense to generally look at how this aircraft can be used in principle, because based on these views we can understand how much it costs us to build a Tu-160M.

So, the plane: a supersonic bomber that reaches speeds of up to 2 km/h at an altitude of up to 200 m. The maximum operating altitude is up to 12 m.

The height is not the best, but we can achieve it. In terms of speed, the Tu-160 is a more difficult opponent, because it will be a big problem for any modern aircraft to catch up with it. Only the devilish machine MiG-31 can really catch up, the rest will compete in speed and will not have time to catch up with the Tu-160, because it is a bit difficult.


But no one will actually catch up with this plane due to the futility of this activity. The interception will be carried out from the front hemisphere, so the chances are much greater. Will the Tu-160's defensive systems be able to deflect everything that a flight of F/A-18s fires at it? Of course not. In a collision with enemy fighters (read NATO), the Tu-160 is doomed. Traps, interference - everything is, of course, good, but not so long ago I saw a video in which one plane, not as large as the Tu-160 and indeed not as fast, tried to fight off two anti-aircraft missiles with its defensive systems. It didn’t work out, one missile “missed”, and the second one shot down the plane.

Considering that no one will skimp on the Tu-160, many planes will be sent to intercept. Many planes - many missiles. Then everything is clear.

This means that there are only two options for using these machines.


Option one: North


On the one hand, you can forget about the base in Olenegorsk. The take-offs and movements of such aircraft as the Tu-160 and Tu-95 are under the constant attention of the NATO satellite constellation, and in the event of a flight of missile carriers to the Murmansk region, the air forces in the newly-minted NATO countries on the Scandinavian Peninsula will immediately be put on notice. Where, by the way, American planes will be based.

In this situation, it would be nice to acquire a “jump” airfield on the Vorkuta-Salekhard-Novy Urengoy line. Places with well-established logistics can be built there. And from there you can easily go to the Svalbard – Franz Josef Land line and from this line you can easily demolish Canada and at least half of the USA.

Well, closer to Spitsbergen, you can generally have a mental mess; again, intercepting Tu-160s flying to Spitsbergen from Finland by any NATO aircraft will not be easy due to the range.

But in any case, this situation is much safer than taking off next to the Finns and Swedes.

Option two. East


There’s no need to invent anything here, everything was invented by our great ancestors. Base Belaya, in the Irkutsk region, for example. Departure from there to the Kamchatka/Commander Islands area (with mandatory cover from fleet, which is sad) and work from there. At the same time, demolish Hawaii so that no one there has time to twitch.

That's it, there are no more options.

The West (Europe) is continuous enemy territory, and flying through the south is quite risky because it is too far.

It turns out that our strategic bombers, which recently flew so beautifully over the whole world, are actually locked over Russian territory today. This, of course, is not very pleasant to understand, but in fact it’s okay, because you yourself understand the extent of our territory. And it allows the most important thing - to get closer to the enemy, while being under the relative protection of our air defense.

It is clear that when the final battle begins, everyone will forget about the gentlemanly rules of warfare. The last war will follow the rules “The barn burns down, so does the hut,” so everyone will go into battle. And, accordingly, all parties will make every effort to minimize damage to their territory.

It sounds stupid, but it will happen.

In this regard, the role of aircraft is not very significant. They are not as vulnerable as ground-based complexes, especially mine ones, whose coordinates are known and which will be the first attack on all sides.

Airplanes, if they manage to take off, will become an additional chance, since they will actually be able to reach the lines and launch missiles at targets. And the enemy is already having a headache about how to neutralize these missiles.

If we have, say, 30 missile carriers, then their total salvo could consist of 360 Kh-BD or Kh-102 missiles. This is more than enough to completely confuse the enemy’s air defense/missile defense system.

And if we add to this a strike from a short distance from submarines, then Judgment Day will truly come for America.

And here the vast territory of Russia will be a plus, because it is somewhat easier to hit a square of American territory than to hit the 11 thousand kilometers of Russian space.

But that's just the theory.


In practice, it turns out that the Tu-160M ​​is both our weapon of deterrence and an instrument of world destruction. Do we need a fleet of a hundred of these aircraft? Probably not. This is both expensive and not entirely practical. But having, say, 30-40 aircraft will be quite enough to cool down hotheads all over the world. Such a number of missile carriers, on the one hand, will provide a decent power sword (in terms of the X-102) of 360 megatons in the best case and 90 megatons in the worst (warheads for the X-102 come with a capacity of 250 ktn or 1 Mtn).

In any case, this is a very decent sword, with a long blade, again, at least 5,5 thousand km and a maximum of 6,5 thousand km.

In general, it’s just a matter of small things: build another 20-30 aircraft. I think that in Kazan they will eventually pick up the pace and do it within 10-15 years. Whatever you think, such an instrument of containment or destruction is necessary in the arsenal. Even if it will never be used for its intended purpose.
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  1. +16
    29 February 2024 04: 27
    first for health, then for peace, and then again for health. I don’t know anymore, whether the TU 160 is needed or not... because of its air defense, it’s scary to fly. Shchyukin's merciless children do not spare anyone, neither strangers nor their own...
    1. -5
      29 February 2024 08: 09
      What if it’s not a matter of “pike children”, but that the Americans have quietly learned to jam the “friend or foe” signal with interference?
      In fact, air defense fires automatically and without any "children"....
      1. +4
        29 February 2024 09: 48
        If this is so, and we haven’t figured it out now and haven’t done anything to counter it, then this is a complete “ales kaput”...
    2. +16
      29 February 2024 09: 44
      The level of the article is below the plinth. Reflections of a junior school student during the USSR. Why would a person with the worldview of a political scientist in aviation write such essays? The answer is clear!
      The combat effectiveness of such aircraft is questionable. It can be based at just a few airfields with the appropriate technical support. Even refueling such an aircraft is a huge problem. At these airfields, these aircraft are successfully tracked by the enemy. When using hypersonic missiles, they will not even have time to take off.
      The technical side is that these aircraft are outdated and have an irrational design with variable wing sweep. This technical solution was typical for a certain stage in the development of aviation, but then it became outdated and no one builds such aircraft anymore. This technical solution has more disadvantages than advantages, and it is no longer used.
      The state of affairs with the release program is not described by the author. It is planned to modernize old aircraft and produce new ones. Putin flew on a modernized plane. The aircraft control system, power supply system, fuel system, hydraulic systems, pneumatic systems and air conditioning systems were not altered, but improved. It was planned to produce 5 new aircraft at the first stage. So far, 1 aircraft has been made, but from the old stock of hull parts. Based on reports from management, all production lines have been restored, including welding of large titanium body parts. It’s very interesting how the production of old components for the new aircraft has been restored?
      A new sighting and navigation system was installed on the aircraft. It’s good that it does not affect the aircraft’s ability to fly, but only increases the ability to fight better. This complex should be installed on both the Tu-22M3M and Tu-95MSM. Perhaps it will serve as the basis for PAK DA.
      All three programs for the modernization of obsolete aircraft are stalling and do not fit into the accepted deadlines, to put it mildly. The Tu-22M3 is already falling apart and the service life of the rotating console assembly is running out, and there is no point in changing the wing. They cannot find 30 aircraft for modernization with subsequent decommissioning after 5 years. What for ? An excellent, beautiful plane for its time has ended and this must be admitted.
      There is no need to produce more than 160 Tu-2M5, it is not needed and the country will be left without “pants”. And demonstrating the flag and presence in different parts of the world during visits on such planes is very expensive...
      We need to reconsider the PAK DA creation program and not rivet another useless monster.
      1. 0
        29 February 2024 10: 04
        Quote: Vitov
        We need to reconsider the PAK DA creation program and not rivet another useless monster.

        In general, strategic bombers are simply completely outdated; they do not provide anything that ground-based and underwater missile systems do not provide.
        Just as a class of weapons.
        1. -5
          29 February 2024 10: 17
          I do not think so. We have some groundwork in Stealth technology and we have the Su-34 bomber. We need to cross the Su-57 with the Su-34 and make it a little bigger. Between the engines there will be an excellent internal weapons bay that should accommodate all new and old missiles. Let the plane be developed at the Sukhoi company under the supervision of the Tupolev team, who will then produce it. And the engine is already there.
          1. +1
            29 February 2024 11: 35
            Quote: Vitov
            I do not think so. We have some groundwork in Stealth technology and we have the Su-34 bomber. We need to cross the Su-57 with the Su-34 and make it a little bigger. Between the engines there will be an excellent internal weapons bay that should accommodate all new and old missiles. Let the plane be developed at the Sukhoi company under the supervision of the Tupolev team, who will then produce it. And the engine is already there.

            You're talking about a tactical bomber, but I'm talking about a strategic one.
            1. +3
              29 February 2024 13: 30
              While I was writing in the comments, I clarified the information. After the construction of the first Tu-160M2 No. 21 "Valentina Tereshkova" from the Soviet reserve, a new Tu-160M2 No. 22 "Mintimer Shaimiev" was built and tested. Both aircraft were transferred to the Aerospace Forces on 24.02.24/XNUMX/XNUMX.
              https://aviation21.ru/raketonoscy-tu-160m-fakty-i-detali-iz-kazani/
              On the same day, two more modernized Tu-160M ​​aircraft were transferred to the Aerospace Forces.
              Another Tu-160M2 was built, but its testing did not begin...
            2. +2
              29 February 2024 20: 13
              You're talking about a tactical bomber, but I'm talking about a strategic one.

              With a fleet of tankers, a tactical bomber turns into a strategic one. The Su-34 crew has better conditions for a long flight than the Tu-22M3.
          2. 0
            29 February 2024 15: 51
            Still, I don’t agree that the TU-160 is hopelessly outdated. Whatever one may say, this is the most powerful combat aircraft in the entire history of world aviation. The Americans never created something like this. And most importantly, this phrase is attributed to several aircraft designers, which is true the plane must be beautiful. This is correct, tens of thousands of years of evolution, when man admired birds, developed in him the aesthetics of flying creatures, because a chicken will not fly, but a swallow will! So, the beauty of the “White Swan” amazes me. hi good
            1. -1
              29 February 2024 16: 23
              The Americans created the Valkyrie. The mass of the Hollows is comparable; the Valkyrie flew much faster and higher. The project was closed.
              1. +3
                29 February 2024 19: 23
                The Americans created the Valkyrie. The mass of the Hollows is comparable; the Valkyrie flew much faster and higher. The project was closed.
                "Valkyrie" is the early 60s. The MiG-25 was created to intercept it. There is no “Valkyrie” (ХВ-70 EMNIP), and the MiG-25 was produced in a decent series and upgraded to the MiG-31. The closest analogue of the Tu-160 is the B-1, in the first version it also had a variable sweep wing.
                1. 0
                  29 February 2024 20: 21
                  The B-1, in the first version, also had a variable sweep wing.

                  In all the others too. Although a fixed wing option was considered. The most important thing here is how the “Stealth” elements work in the B-1B. In the original Tu-160 there is no “stealth” at all, but what is in the Tu-160M ​​is a great mystery. The Americans realized 40 years ago that supersonic power was not needed on bombers. Our specialists who created the MiG-27, Su-17M4;, Su-24 - the same. But the Tu-160 was left supersonic, although its supersonic range is simply ridiculous.
                  1. +4
                    29 February 2024 20: 48
                    Yes, a series with variable geometry, I was wrong. But who needs Stealth technology when launching missiles from 5000 km? Missiles need it, but not this carrier.
                    1. 0
                      1 March 2024 17: 17
                      To launch rockets from 5000 km through the North Pole, the expensive and complex Tu-160, or especially the PAK DA, is most likely not needed. Although - what do the Yankees have with over-the-horizon radars? But when working across the Pacific Ocean, Stealth technology will not be superfluous.
                2. 0
                  1 March 2024 02: 54
                  It’s clear that it won’t, they decided that a high-altitude bomber was too easy to lose from our air defense, which was shown in the example of Powers
            2. +1
              1 March 2024 06: 36
              Quote: Proxima
              The Americans never created something like this. And most importantly, this phrase is attributed to several aircraft designers, that a true airplane must be beautiful.

              What about B-1? Yes, he seemed to have appeared earlier. In some ways it is inferior, in others (in terms of maximum combat load), it is superior. No?
        2. +1
          29 February 2024 10: 21
          In general, strategic bombers are simply completely outdated

          Well, as it were, Tu-95s are now operating quite successfully in the Northern Military District. To drag missiles to the launch point is the best option (certainly the most economical).

          In the future, it can also serve as a carrier for drones and their control and communication systems.

          And about PAK YES you are right. It is not entirely clear why such an aircraft is needed under current conditions. sad
          1. +3
            29 February 2024 11: 38
            Quote: Netl
            In general, strategic bombers are simply completely outdated

            Well, as it were, Tu-95s are now operating quite successfully in the Northern Military District. To drag missiles to the launch point is the best option (certainly the most economical).

            In the future, it can also serve as a carrier for drones and their control and communication systems.

            And about PAK YES you are right. It is not entirely clear why such an aircraft is needed under current conditions. sad

            What works successfully is not the question. The question is whether other means could work more efficiently for the same money. That's all. Here you need to think not how to use what you have, but what to do next and what to build. Does it make sense to have a strategist for the price of 5-10 regular aircraft? Or hundreds of drones?
            1. -2
              29 February 2024 11: 48
              Is there any point in having a strategist for the price of 5-10 regular aircraft?

              If it can launch 10-20 times more missiles to the launch point than a comparable “conventional aircraft”, then for the purposes of massive strikes this makes sense.

              Although this is not the case with the Tu-95, it is quite simple and inexpensive. Cheaper than even most modern tactical aircraft. But regarding the absence of the need to invent a PAK DA with improved characteristics and clearly greatly increased cost, I think you are right. Yes
              1. +2
                29 February 2024 20: 26
                Tu-95MS does not last forever. The question arises - what to do to replace it. You can hang the missile launcher under existing Su-34s. The cost of modernization is simply ridiculous compared to the cost of PAK DA. You can also use existing IL-76s. And you can build several (it’s unlikely that more will be possible) super-expensive PAK YES in a couple of decades.
        3. +2
          29 February 2024 16: 58
          Rather, it is because of our specifics that the war is taking place on our territory, and according to Soviet concepts, the enemy generally wedged deep into the territory and occupied the entire Baltic states, Ukrainian SSR and Moldova, leaving our forces surrounded in a couple of places. Strategists could have bombed Alaska or Holland, where it would have been difficult for conventional aviation to break through, it would have been costly to supply them with weapons somewhere near the Rhine, but then they flew in from a very distant rear and hit them. The USSR also didn’t really need strategic bombers in 1942, but the Americans found them very useful in 1945. And now they are actively using them
      2. +3
        29 February 2024 10: 44
        We need to reconsider the PAK DA creation program and not rivet another useless monster.

        So the major nuclear powers have already realized this. The United States is building the B21, the Chinese have rolled out the H-20. Both are stealth, both are low-speed, and both will most likely have self-defense missiles. That’s what you need to do
      3. +3
        29 February 2024 11: 33
        That's it, there are no more options.

        Quote: Vitov
        There is no need to produce more than 160 Tu-2M5, it is not needed and the country will be left without “pants”

        There is a third “option”: leave 2 pieces and promote candidates to the Supreme Council, so that they can see the size of the country for which they are responsible.
      4. +3
        29 February 2024 20: 39
        Somehow, from the sofa, he put forward a theory: It wouldn’t be cheaper and more numerous to arm the same Il-76 or Il-96 and they would fly up to the tip of Novaya Zemlya in the same way, or even shoot at the North Pole and return. All the same, not a single plane comes even close to the air defense zone. Let the experts and downvotes tell me where I am wrong.
      5. +2
        2 March 2024 17: 37
        Quote: Vitov
        The level of the article is below the plinth. Reflections of a junior school student during the USSR. Why would a person with the worldview of a political scientist in aviation write such essays?

        I agree, the article is at the level of a high school student in a Soviet school (but not junior high, no need to go overboard).
        Quote: Vitov
        The answer is clear!
        The combat effectiveness of such aircraft is questionable. It can be based at just a few airfields with the appropriate technical support. Even refueling such an aircraft is a huge problem.

        To determine the effectiveness and combat value of such a vehicle, it is necessary to understand for which fleet of these vehicles this characteristic is given. If for the fleet of old ones we have a number of 17-20 sides, of which only half are combat-ready at any given time, maybe. But if we are talking about a fleet of 50-70 such vehicles (and the plans were to build 50 new aircraft), and taking into account all possible options for combat loading, this is no longer fair. The Tu-160M2 can accept into its weapons bays 24 new Kh-50 ballistic missile cruise missiles, which with nuclear warheads have a range of up to 2500 km. , and this immediately increases the striking power of such an aircraft by 2 times compared to loading 12 pieces. X-55 or X-102 (now we are considering exclusively strategic use). And this is already very serious. Yes, such a load will be optimal and reasonable for working in the European theater of operations and when resetting American bases and their allies in a given affected area (2500 km from our borders). When working in the USA and Canada, the Kh-102 and Kh-BD are quite sufficient when launching over the Arctic Ocean or from the Chukotka region.
        Regarding the base airfields, it is absolutely clear that during the threatened period these aircraft will be dispersed at alternate airfields and jump-off airfields, being there in readiness No. 1 for takeoff, charged, refueled and with flight missions.
        The value of these aircraft in terms of survival in the event of the outbreak of a global war is that when an attack on us begins, they take off and wait out the attack in a safe area, after which they launch their missile cruise missiles and proceed to any of the surviving alternate airfields (such as it could be any civil airport), they refuel there, equip themselves with a new set of cruise missiles and, having received a new flight mission, take off again. . This procedure can be repeated as long as there are surviving airfields and a supply of cruise missiles on them. And I note that reloading and refueling such a bomber is still faster and easier than reloading an ICBM missile silo or even its TPU ground complex.
        So the combat value of these aircraft is quite high, and the service life of the Tu-95SMS is certainly great after modernization, but still not eternal.
        Quote: Vitov
        There is no need to produce more than 160 Tu-2M5, it is not needed

        Very harmful and absurd nonsense! A lot of time and money have been spent on resuming production of the Tu-160 in a new look, and you propose to flush it down the toilet?
        Financing was provided for the first 5 aircraft. An order has been placed for the first 10 boards. The total number of new Tu-160M2s is stated at 50. And a smaller number is simply irrational in terms of the cost of the project and the convenience of maintaining a given aircraft fleet.
        About the price - 250 million dollars.
        A lot of ?
        Well, that’s about what Indians pay FOR ONE Rafale.
      6. +1
        3 March 2024 15: 29
        The level of the article is below the plinth. Reflections of a junior school student during the USSR. Why would a person with the worldview of a political scientist in aviation write such essays? The answer is clear!
        The combat effectiveness of such aircraft is questionable. It can be based at just a few airfields with the appropriate technical support. Even refueling such an aircraft is a huge problem. At these airfields, these aircraft are successfully tracked by the enemy. When using hypersonic missiles, they will not even have time to take off.
        And you have the thoughts of a modern elementary school student, which is even worse. The role of strategic aviation in a modern hypothetical nuclear war has, of course, become a little less, but this is not a reason to criticize the most powerful representative in its class. You don’t realize that the main strength of the Tu-160 lies in the ability to break through the air defense of aircraft carrier groups and some land areas at ultra-low altitude at transonic speed, and it can fly in this mode much longer than any tactical aircraft and cruise missiles. This is not written about on para-military garbage sites. But to use an aircraft of this class you need brains and balls. As for your comical rant that refueling such planes is a problem or that they won’t even have time to take off, this is already a sign that you are working for Uncle Sam. How many more Kuzminovs are waiting in the wings in Russia?
  2. +25
    29 February 2024 04: 45
    No one would dare to make any accusations about noodles... Yes, I beg you. Everyone hangs anyone, and he himself talks about it. From the rulers of Western countries to their own power ministers. Just the beginning is worth it. And nothing, all with positions, titles and shoulder straps. So, regarding the deception of the first person of the Russian state, I would not be so categorical
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      1. -12
        29 February 2024 07: 28
        He flew and well done. It's a pity that there is no ammunition. They could hang up the x101 and launch it in the Lviv region, where not all targets have been hit yet.
        1. +3
          29 February 2024 16: 52
          Judging by indirect evidence, there are quite a few now-canned Tsipso/Ukrov representatives here.)
          1. +1
            1 March 2024 08: 53
            Actually, those who are allergic to GDP have enough of their own, as in the rhyme “The cat abandoned the kittens....”
  3. -6
    29 February 2024 04: 55
    it would be possible to burn a large radar into the nose like an “Irbis on steroids” and at the same time use it as an enhanced Mig-31 or a partial A-50U. If he is flying on duty, let him at the same time keep an eye on him and monitor the radar at 400-500 km.
  4. -10
    29 February 2024 05: 17
    Just like that, no analysis or calculations on computers or supercomputers.
    All is decided.
    Gl-the determination of the people, the people. Common goals and interests.
    And the total salvo is the third derivative of the thoughts of a mother of 5 and children: how to live and survive
    1. 0
      29 February 2024 08: 07
      All this is wonderful, but I think that very soon the ordinary average Russian Asadullokh or his fellow citizen Vakhob, just from another city, will not need all these products of Iblis))) it is stupid to think that new citizens will not influence the country’s politics and very soon
      1. -9
        29 February 2024 08: 43
        80% of the population of Russia are Russians. There are problems with migrants, but there is no need to exaggerate them.
        1. +7
          29 February 2024 08: 45
          this is rather an understatement)) would you like to take a look at what the Council of Veterans in Korolev recently noted and who))) and there is a ton of such content
          1. -4
            29 February 2024 08: 49
            Well, in Moscow and its environs the situation is a little different.
            However, almost everywhere in the world, including among our southern neighbors, the birth rate has fallen to simple reproduction and even lower.
            1. 0
              29 February 2024 08: 53
              Well, where is the country governed from?))? When the union collapsed, I lived in Siauliai and no one climbed the barricades there either for those or for those, they peacefully changed the sign and that’s it
          2. +1
            29 February 2024 11: 54
            Quote from Mazunga
            what the Veterans Council in Korolev recently celebrated and who

            And with what and for what on this day, February 23, did the council of veterans in Korolev reward Russian schoolchildren?
            This advice of veterans should be checked by the prosecutor's office or the FSB.
            1. 0
              29 February 2024 12: 20
              I know))? yes bro miracles happen more and more wonderfully
              1. +1
                29 February 2024 15: 30
                “We continue the campaign “Recognition of the merits of youth by home front workers and veterans who have served the Fatherland.” Last time we awarded our children from Orthodox parishes, and now we celebrate the merits of Muslims. Children from a Muslim school, who are good students and law-abiding citizens, came to visit us at the Veterans Council. They are also trying to help the front. For this we presented letters of gratitude,” the publication quotes Vladimir Kovtunenko as saying.

                So what are you putting on the fan here?
        2. -2
          29 February 2024 16: 54
          On this site, apparently, there are a lot of ukrov-tsipsots. This can be seen in the style of the whining supercharger puppies. So...)
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  6. +8
    29 February 2024 05: 36
    But in any case, this situation is much safer than taking off next to the Finns and Swedes
    There is still an opinion that Sweden and Finland joining NATO is nonsense, just to spite Putin wink
  7. +13
    29 February 2024 05: 37
    I doubt that anyone would risk “hanging noodles”; it could be very expensive.

    It might be expensive if it’s blatant and in your face, but maybe it’ll screw you up.

    an aircraft manufactured in 1984 and an aircraft manufactured in 2024 are like two different aircraft! Forty years in aviation evolution is not just a long time, but a very long time. Like two generations.

    And even more has changed over these forty years. In addition to the fact that lamps were replaced by transistors, and transistors gave way to microcircuits
    Well, what kind of lamps were needed for the aircraft being designed in the mid-70s and early 80s?!
    1. -2
      29 February 2024 05: 57
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Well, what kind of lamps were needed for the aircraft being designed in the mid-70s and early 80s?!

      Television laughing
      In general, this is not a symbol of deterrence or an instrument of defeat, it is “remnants of former luxury”... sad
      1. +6
        29 February 2024 06: 04
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Television

        Exactly! What is a cathode ray tube if not a lamp!
        1. -2
          29 February 2024 09: 50
          A tube. laughing "" "" ""
          1. 0
            29 February 2024 10: 01
            Quote from AdAstra
            A tube. laughing """"""
            ??
            1. -1
              29 February 2024 10: 06
              Not a lamp - a tube. hi "" ""
              1. 0
                29 February 2024 10: 18
                Quote from AdAstra
                Not a lamp - a tube. hi """"
                It’s clear, but the lineage comes from vacuum tubes. Or not?!
                1. -1
                  29 February 2024 10: 25
                  But I don’t know this for sure. request
          2. +3
            29 February 2024 13: 06
            Not from the Unified State Examination generation? A kinescope is a CRT - cathode ray tube. All displays on the old TU-160 are CRT.
            1. 0
              29 February 2024 20: 16
              Well, not a lamp."""
      2. -2
        29 February 2024 09: 30
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        it is not a symbol of deterrence or an instrument of defeat, it is “the remnants of former luxury.”

        This is a response to the B-21 Raider. Cheaper, faster and, presumably, more dangerous than a subsonic strategist, supposedly stealthy!
    2. +3
      29 February 2024 07: 23
      In fact, the lamps are resistant to the effects of a nuclear explosion.
      1. +3
        29 February 2024 08: 02
        Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
        In fact, the lamps are resistant to the effects of a nuclear explosion.

        More precisely, they require less stringent measures to protect against EMP, but they do.
    3. 0
      29 February 2024 10: 46
      There was a lot of stuff there that was tube-based.
    4. +1
      13 March 2024 15: 30
      I served on the AN-22. They were produced from 1966 to 1974. And almost all of their radio-electronic equipment was lamp-based.
  8. +8
    29 February 2024 06: 05
    . Tu-160M: a symbol of deterrence or an instrument of destruction?

    A symbol of former Soviet greatness. A unique aircraft in its qualities! But its uniqueness turned out to be unnecessary for current tasks. Everything has its time. And time dictates that a cheaper and more widespread carrier of cruise missiles is needed. Without supersonic and folding wing.
    1. +6
      29 February 2024 07: 12
      Quote: Stas157
      And time dictates that a cheaper and more widespread carrier of cruise missiles is needed. Without supersonic and folding wing.

      Which does not exist and who knows when it will be...
      Restoring production of an aircraft with a 40-year history is a dubious decision, at first glance, but a worthwhile one just so that the plant retains its competencies and personnel. It may be expensive (what is cheap now?), but at least there will be something...
    2. -7
      29 February 2024 08: 34
      Quote: Stas157
      But its uniqueness was not needed for current tasks

      In fact, about 2030 such aircraft are planned to be put into operation by 70. Let me remind you that in the early 2000s, the Tu-160M ​​entered US airspace and remained invisible to air defense forces. And below is a photograph of the destruction of an airplane by lousy liberals in the 90s as part of their disposal program... P.S. The photo did not load
      1. +5
        29 February 2024 08: 42
        Quote: Luminman
        In fact, about 2030 such aircraft are planned to be put into operation by 70.

        Do you believe it? How fast is the IL-76 being built? The government contract concluded more than ten years ago for 39 aircraft was not fulfilled. And the White Swan is a more complex and expensive aircraft.
        1. -2
          29 February 2024 09: 37
          Quote: Stas157
          And the White Swan is a more complex and expensive aircraft.

          And most importantly - useless (IMHO, of course)! Since its takeoff from its home airfield is monitored in real time, its further fate is predetermined. No one will allow him to complete the task. All of Skomorokhov’s arguments here are unconvincing. Therefore, the role of Lebed in the RF Armed Forces is the same as that of the cavalry - only for parades. But much more expensive. True, it looks very majestic at the air parade on Aviation Day.
          1. -1
            29 February 2024 12: 21
            submarines are also very vulnerable, and the United States is also in no hurry to get rid of strategists
      2. -2
        29 February 2024 12: 37
        Buddy, don't laugh at yourself. In the West they know that such aircraft are prepared for takeoff already at the stage of refueling. They control our airports 24 hours a day.
    3. +1
      29 February 2024 16: 47
      Another question is the number of cruise missiles. If there are a couple of salvos of missiles from all bombers, then this is somehow not enough
  9. +6
    29 February 2024 06: 13
    Children, here are a few pictures of a beautiful airplane, carefully study these pictures, turn on your imagination and write an essay on this topic.
    PS children, based on the results of checking essays, Romochka wrote the best essay, as always, his spelling is of course, as always, lame, but for imagination, as always, 5.
    1. +4
      29 February 2024 10: 50
      Quote from: mad-max78
      Romochka wrote the best essay, as always,

      At least Romochka has something to read! Moreover, this work is not so flawless: there are many typos and inaccuracies, and sometimes conceptual “errors.” Examples? - Yes, PLEASE!!!
      1. if the plane is built from level “0”, then its letter will be Tu-160M2 !
      2. "central beam"? And Manturov spoke about the central titanium CROSS. -- Feel the difference!
      3. In the Northern Military District, strategists still use it. This is the Tu-95MS.
      4. YES in the first strike??? Rave! The US strategic missile defense/air defense zone begins 2000 km from the continent. At V=1000 km/h, our CRBD will take 2 hours (!) to get just to the coast. During this time, ICBMs and SLBMs will all arrive twice! But for bases with nuclear warheads in Europe, that will be just fine.
      5. interception of the Tu-160M ​​from the front hemisphere of the F/A -18... in the Arctic!? How will the aircraft carrier end up there? I understand the F-22 from Alaska - well, that didn’t work!
      Why is not a word said about the newest Tu-160M ​​self-defense complex? And this is not only a powerful electronic warfare system, but also a short-range RVV R-74m. Then they will probably be covered by MiG-31 BM, providing a “corridor” to the launch line of the CRBD.
      6. about the number of Tu-160M. I think 60 units will be just right: for the division to the Atlantic and to the T/O coast of the USA.
      7. The author somehow takes liberties with the range of the Tu-160M ​​COMPLEX. Why 5,5 - 6,5 thousand km? This is only the range of weapons! What about the carrier itself? Where is its 7300 km combat radius???
      Somehow, though! AHA.
  10. +16
    29 February 2024 06: 18
    Is it inappropriate to use in SVO? But pilots must fly, just to stay in shape, and not on simulators or even on the Yak-130, but on what they will have to fly on the “day of judgment” (God grant that it does not come). And the question is, why would they launch missiles at targets at a training ground, if with the same result for training they can launch at targets in/on, even if this target is just a transformer substation, there will be more and more benefits.
    1. +3
      29 February 2024 07: 04
      Quote: Nagan
      why should they launch missiles at targets at the training ground, if with the same result for training they can launch at targets in/on
      I also thought about it.
    2. -3
      29 February 2024 12: 28
      Some here (on the forum) even suggested loading FABs from the UMPC and sending them to the front line. This, of course, is clearly overkill. I even thought that this was impossible, but in some sources I found information that bomb bays of the Tu-160 can also be loaded with bombs, the same FAB-500 and FAB-1500, there is no information about larger calibers. Of course, it’s an extremely stupid idea to turn custom strategic bombers into front-line bombers, but it turns out that such a possibility exists. Maybe this is an option to “finish off” the enemy, like the B-52 with free-falling nuclear bombs?
  11. kpd
    +5
    29 February 2024 06: 24
    In addition to its actual combat value, strategic aviation has another quality that the other two components of the nuclear triad lack - it allows you to demonstrate to the enemy dissatisfaction with his actions. So, in addition to their military significance, strategic bombers are an important political instrument of pressure.
  12. +1
    29 February 2024 06: 29
    And Roman goes there - digitalization...
    To begin with, there must be a glider, there must be engines. There must be weapons - the same missiles - constantly produced, updated, launched, including not in conditional tests, but in reality, with a conventional combat unit.
    If this (production of this) does not exist, then all this digitalization goes to one place...
    Again - in order to understand what problems all these digital systems have - they must be operated - that is, aircraft must fly and carry out combat missions.
    In recent years, even in civil aviation, a lot of “jambs” have cropped up due to the hobby of computers and programmers - when they try to solve issues of aerodynamics and flight dynamics not with aircraft hardware, but at the software level - and what comes of it.
    What is going on in military aviation in this regard is much less known, but there is indirect information regarding “friendly fire”.
    They made a plane from a Soviet stock - and immediately a line of high-ranking people lined up to receive "goodies".
  13. +10
    29 February 2024 06: 31
    a digital system is, naturally, more accurate and not subject to external influences in the same way as an analogue one... I would argue with this thesis... feel
    1. man
      +3
      29 February 2024 07: 07
      Quote: Popuas
      the digital system is naturally more accurate and LESS subject to external influences in the same way as analog... I would argue with this thesis... feel

      Nevertheless, this is indeed the case. You just need to replace the negation “not” with the word “less”
    2. +1
      29 February 2024 09: 15
      A little from another topic. Sergei Markov reports that a large volume of documents was stolen from the Presidential Administration. In them, in particular, the “budgets” of such “patriots” as Solovyov and K. Potupchik are indicated. The question, however, is different: If the Presidential Administration is not able to keep its digitized secrets, will the Ministry of Defense be able to do this?
  14. +2
    29 February 2024 06: 48
    Take-off weight 270 tons, carries 16 missiles. B-1B - 216 tons, 24 missiles.
    And in general we need to do "Stealth". Smaller in size than the Tu-160, larger than the Tu-22.
    1. +4
      29 February 2024 11: 06
      Quote: Arzt
      B-1B - 216 tons, 24 missiles.

      But, having said “A”, go ahead and say “B”! What kind of missiles are these? AGM-158A with a range of 370 km (JASSM-ER up to 1000 km). So if you fill it with shells, then 1000 will fit! Is it okay that our X-102s fly 5500 km?
      Therefore, there is no need to compare the device with your finger! They have different forms! am
    2. 0
      29 February 2024 11: 10
      At least look at what kind of missiles these missile carriers are talking about. Compare the length, weight, performance characteristics (missiles). You will learn a lot of interesting things.
  15. -7
    29 February 2024 06: 57
    And, accordingly, all parties will make every effort to minimize damage to their territory.

    Thank you, Roman, for voicing the main thesis of modern war.
    As for the TU-160, and the PAK YES - they are outdated and hopelessly outdated. Strategic aviation, delivering charges from its territory to the missile launch point on enemy territory, is hopelessly losing to the Strategic Missile Forces and SSBNs. The last one is simply monstrous.
    But at the same time, the Tu-160M ​​and Tu-160M2 are extremely popular vehicles, albeit in a new form.
    This is an attack aircraft with wide capabilities, in the absence of continuous air defense:
    - the strength characteristics of the vehicle allow the bomber to be used in the area of ​​effect of the shock wave of nuclear weapons;
    - variable wing sweep ensures lifting and delivery to the target of an unprecedented combat load, a wide variety of nomenclature and take-off/landing from short runways;
    - supersonic speed determines the efficiency of striking and intercepting in the area of ​​operations;
    - the ability to obtain operational target designation allows the use of weapons without contact with the target according to the “fire and forget” scheme with guidance from space at maneuvering targets.
    So the aircraft has a great future as a long-range sea-based super-heavy coastal-based fighter-bomber. The main theater of operations is the Pacific. The need for such vehicles, the tactics of their use, the deployment and support scheme have yet to be developed.
    1. +2
      29 February 2024 08: 17
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      Strategic aviation, delivering charges from its territory to the missile launch point on enemy territory, is hopelessly losing to the Strategic Missile Forces and SSBNs. The last one is simply monstrous.

      Yeah, just how many of these submarines are ready to immediately go to sea?

      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      the strength characteristics of the vehicle allow the bomber to be used in the area of ​​effect of the shock wave of nuclear weapons

      Where else is this from? In 2003, one of them was simply declining.

      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      - variable wing sweep ensures lifting and delivery to the target of an unprecedented combat load, a wide variety of nomenclature and take-off/landing from short runways;

      3000 meters required runway length at m=260 t, 3500 at m=275 t.

      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      - supersonic speed determines the efficiency of striking and intercepting in the area of ​​operations;

      Supersonic speed (M=1,7) is only possible on certain sections of a route several hundred kilometers long, otherwise you won’t get anywhere - the expense is too high.

      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      - the ability to obtain operational target designation allows the use of weapons without contact with the target according to the “fire and forget” scheme with guidance from space at maneuvering targets.

      Any aircraft with the appropriate equipment will be capable of this.
      1. -1
        29 February 2024 19: 32
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        the strength characteristics of the vehicle allow the bomber to be used in the area of ​​effect of the shock wave of nuclear weapons
        Where else is this from? In 2003, one of them was simply declining.


        Requirement when designing such machines. TU-95 and V-52 passed full-scale tests, later ones - model ones.

        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        - variable wing sweep ensures lifting and delivery to the target of an unprecedented combat load, a wide variety of nomenclature and take-off/landing from short runways;
        3000 meters required runway length at m=260 t, 3500 at m=275 t.


        This takes into account the take-off run, decision-making and run-out when braking. In a combat situation, everything is somewhat different. And you don’t have to be fully loaded if the goal is within reach.

        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        - supersonic speed determines the efficiency of striking and intercepting in the area of ​​operations;
        Supersonic speed (M=1,7) is only possible on certain sections of a route several hundred kilometers long, otherwise you won’t get anywhere - the expense is too high.

        The most controversial point is supersonic, but sometimes (during interception, for example) it is required.
        Data: Viktor Leningradets
        - the ability to obtain operational target designation allows the use of weapons without contact with the target according to the “fire and forget” scheme with guidance from space at maneuvering targets.
        Any aircraft with the appropriate equipment will be capable of this.

        Only a former strategist can blindly scatter a multitude of assets over the ocean.
        1. +1
          2 March 2024 18: 34
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          Requirement when designing such machines. TU-95 and V-52 passed full-scale tests, later ones - model ones.

          When the Tu-95 was designed, the effect of the shock wave was not studied, so it does not have any special strength. All protection from damaging factors is curtains on the windows and special paint; everything else is provided by the reset mode.

          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          This takes into account the take-off run, decision-making and run-out when braking. In a combat situation, everything is somewhat different.

          The take-off run is only 20% longer than required, so take-off from short runways is excluded.

          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          And you don’t have to be fully loaded if the goal is within reach.

          There is no such thing as too much tactical radius.

          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          The most controversial point is supersonic, but sometimes (during interception, for example) it is required.

          The Tu-160 is not a fighter - it takes much longer to gain altitude and accelerate, since the excess thrust is small.

          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          Only a former strategist can blindly scatter a multitude of assets over the ocean.

          If there are not many powerful missiles of the Zircon type, then a group of fighters can cope with simpler ones like the Kh-35U.
  16. -2
    29 February 2024 07: 05
    Only a UAV, I see a deeply modernized Hunter with a one-way ticket and stop fantasizing about manned aircraft...
    1. -2
      29 February 2024 07: 42
      Quote: air wolf
      Only a UAV, I see a deeply modernized Hunter with a one way ticket
      It will be a bit expensive,... A bit EXPENSIVE!
  17. 0
    29 February 2024 07: 06
    I always thought that this was for the destruction of bases in Europe. The idea was to fly through it to America when their task was to demolish the Napoleons and other small-shaven people, they quickly took off, before reaching our border, they shot back with the whole flight, and quickly delivered. One takeoff minus one country. There is nothing to demolish the UWB than missiles, they themselves will be there in 20 minutes and drag bombers there... Why?
  18. 0
    29 February 2024 07: 52
    Here's one, a journalist from the Kremlin pool, blurted out about the steering wheel. And away we go.
    There is no steering wheel in the Tu 160..
  19. -1
    29 February 2024 07: 54
    Whether this plane will be effective depends on who we are going to fight with. In the conditions of modern ground-based air defense, if the enemy has satellite reconnaissance and interceptors, it is not a very effective machine. However, those available should, of course, be kept on their toes, as well as their crews, so it is advisable for them to participate in the SVO - from a safe distance.

    As for why new ones are needed, I don’t know, I think their production is a mistake, since they are expensive, require infrastructure and are vulnerable - as practice shows, even at the home airfield.

    The future belongs to drones with AI, IMHO, we need to invest in it.
    1. 0
      29 February 2024 08: 34
      I don’t know why new ones are needed, I think their production is a mistake, since they are expensive, require infrastructure and are vulnerable - as practice shows, even at the home airfield.

      Exactly so, but we, as always, follow a path that has no analogues, and instead of investing in satellites, drones and drills, we allocate funds for outdated factories and technologies...
      1. 0
        29 February 2024 10: 27
        "instead of investing in satellites, drones and drills, we allocate funds for outdated factories and technologies..."

        Which leads to unpatriotic thoughts.
    2. +5
      29 February 2024 08: 41
      Quote: S.Z.
      The future belongs to drones with AI, IMHO, we need to invest in it.

      About 10-15 years ago, the Americans invested in drones - ours invested in something that had no analogues in the world.
      About 5-10 years ago, the Americans invested in space communications (Stralink) and surveillance - ours in window dressing - parades and biathlon.
      The SVO began - they realized it - there were no drones.
      Now everyone is singing the praises of drones and investing in them (15 years late).
      Five years will pass - they will do something against drones - and again Russia will be catching up.
      IMHO - populism with airplane rides on the eve of elections is good. But everyone must do their job, and if possible, do it well.
  20. +6
    29 February 2024 08: 11
    It is strange that the author does not know that the shortest route to the USA is through the North Pole. Why would a bomber fly through Europe or Kamchatka to hit the USA?
  21. -1
    29 February 2024 08: 15
    During a period of aggravation of the military-political situation, both the Russian Federation and the United States can: keep up to one third of the ALCM carrier strategists on combat duty, and maybe in the air, the main thing here is to provide them with tankers. Then, Roman, you do not take into account the factor of the Burevestnik or simply increasing the flight range of the ALCM. And finally; The T-160M ​​is already ready as an asymmetric response to the B-21, and then the PAK DA will arrive in time.
  22. +3
    29 February 2024 08: 22
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    Kh-15P/S in a non-nuclear version is an option for conducting conflicts of the SVO type. The missile is even more ancient compared to the X-55, but is not without charm in terms of its speed of 4-5M at the final leg of its aeroballistic trajectory.

    The Tu-160 never carried the X-15, and the “S” and “P” variants were not accepted into service at all.
  23. +1
    29 February 2024 08: 35
    It is not clear from the article whether this new aircraft was built from the stock created back in the Soviet Union with partial replacement with a new element base, or built from scratch, from parts created after 2018. For an idea of ​​30-40 aircraft, these are two big differences.
  24. -3
    29 February 2024 08: 55
    About nothing.
    No one was going to build more than 20 aircraft.
    And no one is going to fight with these planes. It is more important to preserve and develop the ability to build something similar.
  25. +1
    29 February 2024 09: 10
    It would be nice if our carriers were universal in the use of different weapons. IRBM, Dagger, anti-ship missiles, Bombs. In peacetime, they also need to be used.
  26. +1
    29 February 2024 09: 15
    Wow, what cool strategists we have on our site, the plane is outdated, the plane is no longer needed. What are the justifications? There are no missiles? Or is there still no targets for these and promising missiles? So maybe we can figure out what we need in this World and what we want and finally then identify the goals? Then the aircraft and its use will be both necessary and important.
    1. -1
      29 February 2024 10: 32
      Or are there still no targets for these and promising missiles?

      The opponents are known and there are and will be missiles. Tasks for a specific type of aircraft - strategic bombers - are being eliminated.

      Just as the kings of the seas, the battleships, left in their time. sad
      1. 0
        29 February 2024 12: 59
        There is a war going on and the plane has nothing to do with it, I’ll repeat it again if there are no targets for it. Upgrade guided bombs, missiles to be launched from this plane, make it a carrier of “Daggers”
        1. +2
          29 February 2024 13: 14
          Upgrade guided bombs, missiles to be launched from this plane, make it a carrier of "Daggers"

          Guided bombs are very dangerous to launch from the Tu-160. Their range is not so high, and therefore there is a danger of falling under air defense. Our Su-34s periodically go down on these missions.

          The Tu-160 already has missiles, mostly cruise missiles, including those used in the SVO. But in this capacity, the Tu-160 has no advantages over the Tu-95. Which is many times, if not tens of times, cheaper and simpler.

          As for hypersonic Daggers, there has already been news about the development of deployment on the Tu-160. But the problem there is that the rocket itself is expensive and complex. They are few. And there is no need for their mass launches. And for work on individual important targets, the Mig-31, Tu-22 and Su-34 are quite capable.

          So it turns out that the plane is beautiful and good, but is only needed for strikes through the Arctic, and even there it is rapidly losing its necessity. sad
          1. -1
            1 March 2024 21: 51
            Your facts are weighty, but this is today and from the perspective of today’s war. And what will happen tomorrow? PAK YES, but will it be? With proper planning, any aircraft has goals and objectives and it is better to have such a strategist today, tomorrow we may simply not be in time.
      2. -1
        29 February 2024 14: 52
        There are and will be challenges for strategists: the very fact of their takeoff from home airfields on combat patrols causes diarrhea in a potential enemy.
  27. +3
    29 February 2024 09: 15
    Skomorokhov’s articles have recently become fierce trash, it seems that he gets his information from RenTV.
    Tube electronics in aviation in the 80s? The large area of ​​the Russian Federation helps in a nuclear war... The author has not tried to compare the more or less populated areas of the Russian Federation and the United States? Or, in his opinion, in the event of war, the missiles will fly into the deserted tundra?
    1. -1
      29 February 2024 10: 32
      It really doesn’t work out very well about aviation: “The automatic on-board control system, the fuel control complex, the aviation system, and the weapons control system have been replaced. Naturally, the new aircraft control system has no room left for analog instruments; it is completely digital.” What kind of aviation system is it? What analog devices are in the control system? When specifying performance characteristics, for some reason there is no mention of flight range. The aircraft is equipped with a refueling system and can remain in the air for quite a long time. The launch range of the missiles used makes it possible to attack “partners” through the North Pole without entering the affected area, and there will be cover by escort fighters. Why do you need a record flight altitude?
  28. +4
    29 February 2024 09: 19
    Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
    During a period of aggravation of the military-political situation, both the Russian Federation and the United States can: keep up to one third of the ALCM carrier strategists on combat duty, and maybe in the air, the main thing here is to provide them with tankers. Then, Roman, you do not take into account the factor of the Burevestnik or simply increasing the flight range of the ALCM. And finally; The T-160M ​​is already ready as an asymmetric response to the B-21, and then the PAK DA will arrive in time.

    So you also don’t take into account the Death Star factor, by the time Petrel and Pak Da and she arrive in time.
  29. +2
    29 February 2024 09: 23
    Quote: Vladimir80
    I don’t know why new ones are needed, I think their production is a mistake, since they are expensive, require infrastructure and are vulnerable - as practice shows, even at the home airfield.

    Exactly so, but we, as always, follow a path that has no analogues, and instead of investing in satellites, drones and drills, we allocate funds for outdated factories and technologies...

    You can’t show off a satellite at a parade) But seriously, there is an opinion that if the plant doesn’t produce anything, then soon it won’t exist because specialists and, accordingly, competencies will be lost. But apart from swans, there is nothing to release; nothing new has appeared.
    1. 0
      29 February 2024 09: 27
      If the plant does not produce anything, then soon it will not exist because specialists and, accordingly, competencies will be lost. And there’s nothing to release except swans

      Let them assemble civilian aircraft, or was there no order from the “overseas supervisors”?
  30. +4
    29 February 2024 09: 27
    “The barn burns down - so does the hut,” so everyone will go into battle.

    No, dear author, you have done something clever today.
    The impression is that at the start of TMB there will be general panic, everyone will run around with their eyes wide and shoot with everything they have somewhere.
    But in general, aviation does not take part in the First Strike, due to the enemy’s air defense, it goes in the Second Strike to finish off.
    For all cases, there are sealed Plans in the safes.
    Regarding the high cost of the Tu-160 flight. Do you think that there are simply no scheduled training flights on these aircraft? And if so, why not at the same time plan a flight along a route with access to a given square with the subsequent launch of missiles at targets in Ukraine?
  31. -3
    29 February 2024 09: 42
    Quote: Neo-9947
    “The barn burns down - so does the hut,” so everyone will go into battle.

    No, dear author, you have done something clever today.
    The impression is that at the start of TMB there will be general panic, everyone will run around with their eyes wide and shoot with everything they have somewhere.
    But in general, aviation does not take part in the First Strike, due to the enemy’s air defense, it goes in the Second Strike to finish off.
    For all cases, there are sealed Plans in the safes.
    Regarding the high cost of the Tu-160 flight. Do you think that there are simply no scheduled training flights on these aircraft? And if so, why not at the same time plan a flight along a route with access to a given square with the subsequent launch of missiles at targets in Ukraine?

    Aviation for finishing? This is serious? In the event of a global nuclear attack, the task of the aircraft is to have time to take off, shoot out the ammunition and the pilots can eject, a strategic bomber cannot be landed in a field, but it is guaranteed to arrive at airfields.
    P.s.: I’m glad that no one will trust you with the red button and no one will ask your opinion about a possible victory.
    1. +1
      29 February 2024 10: 31
      Quote from Tim666
      In the event of a global nuclear attack, the task of aircraft is to take off in time to fire the ammunition and the pilots can eject

      Compare the flight time of the ICBM/SLBM and the time the ALCM carrier reaches the launch line.
      The aviation head of the triad simply will not be in time for the first wave - and will be busy precisely finishing off what the warhead was not enough for.
      The option of repeating an ALCM strike against targets that remained alive after the arrival of the warhead cannot be considered - there will be no way to carry out detailed reconnaissance on enemy territory and determine the extent of destruction of individual targets. For the satellite constellation will be the first to go under the knife - in order to blind the enemy and deprive him of navigation and communication systems. So in space, on both sides there will be a Starfish Prime festival, not distinguishing between friends and strangers.
  32. -4
    29 February 2024 09: 44
    Quote: Vladimir80
    If the plant does not produce anything, then soon it will not exist because specialists and, accordingly, competencies will be lost. And there’s nothing to release except swans

    Let them assemble civilian aircraft, or was there no order from the “overseas supervisors”?

    So, too, there is nothing new mastered and the specifics are somewhat different
  33. -2
    29 February 2024 09: 45
    But is there any confidence that on the “other side” they will agree to wait until we accelerate and meet the deadline in 10-15 years, which, as the practice of recent years shows, may not happen, so that we then scare them with these 20-30 by plane?
    1. -3
      29 February 2024 10: 00
      there is confidence that on the “other side” they will agree to wait until we accelerate and complete it within 10-15 years,

      that side is “waiting” because it understands that nothing (anything) threatens them!
  34. +3
    29 February 2024 10: 32
    Experts believe that the digital system has not only simplified and facilitated the work


    maybe so, but a friend bought a “Chinese”, and at the beginning of the year the frosts were 40 degrees, and the digital instrument panel did not show anything when starting the engine... only after warming up
    therefore, not everything is so clear...
    1. -1
      29 February 2024 16: 12
      Don't buy cheap Chinese...
  35. +2
    29 February 2024 10: 48
    At the machine tool plant named after. Sverdlov in the mid-80s they made a two-gantry milling machine with a length of 44 m, just for processing elements of the TU 160 body.
  36. +2
    29 February 2024 11: 50
    Super good plane, it’s a pity that no one needs it, it won’t be used. And you can’t send a war. With modern VKS management, the probability that they will be shot down is very high, like two A-50s.
  37. 0
    29 February 2024 12: 39
    The Tu-160 will not become obsolete for a long time, especially in the M and M2 versions. Everything is simple, the car takes off in the middle of the country, where the airfields are remote from enemy tactical assets, and even without refueling, it follows a given course, the launch line, 12 missiles have been sent for another 5-6 thousand km. No one can interfere with the mission, enemy fighters will not be allowed into the country, air defense does not have such a range, in general, the Swans will fly where they need to and shoot with impunity. I don’t think that 30 units will be enough, especially since the Tu-95MS(M) can do it too. There are hints in the comments about the cost of the Swans, this is of course a state secret, but with 2-3 cars per year going into production, I’m sure that no more than 12-18 billion overboard. We can afford it.
  38. 0
    29 February 2024 12: 46
    Well, it’s not for nothing that some in the West are still fuming from the video sequence where Putin deigned to fly

    And I immediately understood what Skomorokhov wrote.
    And according to the subject, a “strategist” is needed for wars like the current conflict; in a major conflict, already at the initial stages, strategists will quite effectively knock out both at airfields and in the air. You shouldn’t particularly rely on the air component because it has the worst stealth of all others, the lowest damage resistance in the event of the enemy’s first strike, and the best detection of intentions in the event of preparing your own first strike. It’s still impossible to make an aircraft “stealth” and it also cannot provide absolute protection, but this one at least looks more impressive than the propeller-driven “MedveD”, so why not.
    1. 0
      29 February 2024 12: 51
      a “strategist” is needed for wars like the current conflict

      and what is its advantage in this conflict over ground-based launchers (the fact that we have almost none is another matter)?
      1. +4
        29 February 2024 13: 04
        Different launch ballistics, different engagement distances, the possibility of greater maneuvering since the launch is carried out according to the “air-to-surface” scheme. There are advantages, including budget (strange as it may seem), because an air-launched missile requires less mass to launch (it does not need to work against gravity), therefore, for the same range it can be more budget-friendly OR have a larger warhead OR be a more difficult target for missile defense.
        If we think along these lines, then the MedveD is quite a relevant aircraft, because its operation can cost much less than that of a Tu jet. However, all this is applicable only to conflicts such as air defense, when the enemy is hammering with practically no long-range missiles, aviation, strategic aviation and is very limited in long-range air defense and missile defense.
        That is, this is an extremely “specific” conflict.
        The disadvantages of an aircraft launch from such carriers are that they are somewhat more predictable than from ground-based installations, which can be based for a long time in the launch areas. Here the carriers took off en masse - and this is a signal if there is satellite reconnaissance.

        Generally speaking, the fate of our two “flying radars” shows that there are big problems with the real security of large aircraft in the air. So there is doubt that actively expanding the fleet without effective solutions in this field would be a good strategy.
  39. 0
    29 February 2024 12: 47
    Mmm. Our greatest expert on everything has released another opus, almost canceling an important class of aircraft. Well, at least at the end the statti offered to replenish their stock.
    Any plane, even the most outstanding one, is just a machine in itself. The success of its use depends on the tactics and strategy of using such aircraft.
    Regarding “the fighters won’t catch up” - it’s just funny. Does the author not know that fighter planes carry missiles with a range of tens of kilometers, and some with a range of more than 100 km, at a flight speed exceeding the speed of any aircraft?
    Regarding the unnecessary use of the Tu-160 at the front. Firstly, at the front it is possible to test new weapons in practice and train crews. And also test and test on-board defense systems.
    In the case of the great Arctic fox, the point is not even that the missiles will not have time to fly out of the silos, but the planes will. In the event of a retaliatory strike, not only planes take off, but missiles are also launched from silos. This is the meaning of the blow, which causes unacceptable damage.
    That's not the plus. After any blow, something will still remain. Alternate airfields can be prepared in advance and the relocation of aircraft there can be practiced. After all that is possible has been launched from missile launches, airplanes will remain the only instrument of nuclear forces. And not only strategic, and not only nuclear. If the enemy, after the initial exchange of blows, is still able to gather something and tries to invade our territory, then strategic aviation will be able to strike.
    As for the high cost. In general, war and everything connected with it is an expensive pleasure. And all weapons must be in full readiness. And the crews must be trained. Therefore, the Tu-160 and its descendants - live!
  40. BAI
    0
    29 February 2024 13: 30
    In general, it’s just a matter of small things: build another 20-30 aircraft. I think that in Kazan they will eventually pick up the pace and do it within 10-15 years.

    2 planes per year. The pace, however. When no one knows what will happen in 2 years.
  41. 0
    29 February 2024 14: 08
    Why catch up with Tu160? That's what rockets are for. Was it written by a specialist or a reprint? What we are proud of are the achievements of the USSR. Who said that the USSR only made felt boots? A talker flew on a felt boot.
  42. -2
    29 February 2024 14: 27
    Such a great bomber-strategist is of course necessary for our country, this should not even be discussed. He will be a component of our triad for a long time, and let the opponents nervously smoke on the sidelines. There is still no better one in the world, and Amer’s B-2 is no match for it.
  43. +4
    29 February 2024 14: 30
    The problem can be solved by drawing the dimensions of the Tu-160 on concrete. As much as you like and as much paint as you like. The method has already been tested. To convincingly throw tires on the paintings - from UAVs, which have already appeared more than once at AVB Engels. As for the fact that no one dares to hang noodles on the most important ears, this is exactly what various nobles of all departments have been doing for years. Hence 1000 aircraft in 5 years, 87% of new weapons and military equipment in the troops, etc. Everyone has known about mining installations and their vulnerability for a long time. There were railway complexes (a whole missile army!), but it was successfully eliminated. Don't know who? Not everything is so happy with the Premier League either. They are under constant control both in the bases and at the time of exit. They are herded by 5-6 boats, as well as a lot of other forces and means. Roman, tell us what’s going on with the project of a business jet based on the Tu-160? It seemed like there was an order and the KAPO team said - no problem!
  44. -1
    29 February 2024 14: 49
    What’s wrong with air defense? The last thing that the military penitentiary said was not confirmed. And you need to break in
  45. 0
    29 February 2024 14: 57
    Even if you only need a sword once in your life, you should always carry it. © Japanese Japanese
  46. 0
    29 February 2024 15: 29
    Judging by the forum, only the Khrushchevs gathered here. Planes and ships are scrapped, we only make missiles. It seemed like I didn’t like it, to put it mildly, but apparently the memory is like that of aquarium fish. The triad must be balanced, and not just the country riddled with missile silos. And we have a hopeless problem with our fleet so that we can rely on SSBNs.
  47. -2
    29 February 2024 15: 59
    Regarding the insecurity of the TU-160M ​​from enemy fighters. In addition to a powerful electronic warfare system, it seems that information came out half a year ago that the TU-160M ​​has a rear-view radar and will be armed with RVV-MD air-to-air missiles with a reverse launch.
    1. +1
      1 March 2024 06: 25
      Regarding the insecurity of the TU-160M ​​from enemy fighters. In addition to a powerful electronic warfare system, it seems that information came out half a year ago that the TU-160M ​​has a rear-view radar and will be armed with RVV-MD air-to-air missiles with a reverse launch.

      Soviet doctrine envisaged the creation of a long-range fighter for isolating the combat area based on the Tu-160. Due to the range and third-party guidance of long-range air-to-air missiles, it was assumed that the Tu-160 pair in this version + the AWACS aircraft would nullify the AUG aircraft without entering the air defense coverage area - a kind of “anti-tomket”.
      Interrupted 1991
  48. 0
    29 February 2024 16: 44
    Quote: Alex 1805
    Don't buy cheap Chinese...


    what do you suggest?
    How do Mercury electricity meters work - in the cold? try to take readings...
  49. 0
    29 February 2024 18: 01
    About Engels airfield.
    Strategic bombers were transferred to the north, I don’t remember, to Chukotka I think. The guards in the comments furiously argued that this was to make the United States afraid bully
    Although I remembered the attacks on the Engels airfield, in the Pskov area on ILs. I think it will be difficult for saboteurs to get to the Far North.
  50. 0
    29 February 2024 18: 20
    I also read the comments... Nobody understood anything... Since they decided to release such a bomber, it means new opportunities have appeared... That is. new weapons, but which one is not supposed to be known yet.
  51. 0
    29 February 2024 19: 22
    I don’t understand, I was banned or what?
    Comments are not inserted!
    1. -1
      29 February 2024 19: 34
      Finally! I managed to answer.
  52. -1
    29 February 2024 20: 55
    “In this situation, it would be nice to acquire a “jump” airfield on the Vorkuta-Salekhard-Novy Urengoy line.” There was such an airfield in the USSR, this is Yugorsk, and it can be restored.
  53. +1
    29 February 2024 20: 56
    The plane is 45 years old. The strategy for using “strategists” has long ago changed. We need to build PAK DA. Moreover, the latest Tu160 was assembled from old stock at the factory
  54. +1
    29 February 2024 21: 00
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote from: mad-max78
    Romochka wrote the best essay, as always,

    At least Romochka has something to read! Moreover, this work is not so flawless: there are many typos and inaccuracies, and sometimes conceptual “errors.” .

    If Romochka’s works can be read in VO as you say, then I have very bad news for the VO editors, I would say extremely depressing and sad news which is called complete degradation, read VO for example 10 years ago, how many interesting and competent articles there were then compare with the quality of current articles, in particular Romashka’s articles. I think any experienced reader will see a decline in the quality of articles in recent years.
  55. -1
    29 February 2024 22: 41
    These aircraft can operate perfectly from the depths of Russia and across Europe and US bases in the Middle and Far East, and in the case of operation through the Arctic Ocean and directly across the US and Canada
  56. +1
    29 February 2024 22: 53
    Externally, the Tu-160 cannot be distinguished from the Tu-160M, but inside they are two completely different aircraft. And the modernized aircraft is an aircraft of the 21st century with all that it implies
    In order for the Tu-160M ​​to become an aircraft of the 21st century, the body had to be redesigned. Lighten it (it was overweight, at least put the right rivets, not what they have), implement an integrated center section (like on the Su-27), thereby get rid of the wing rotation mechanisms (they are complex and heavy), increase resistance to overloads, although -up to 3-4g, so that it would be possible to implement a low-altitude breakthrough mode (after retrofitting the equipment, of course), to ensure that the skin does not warp during supersonic flight, and to take measures to reduce radio signature, as on the Su-57. Another would be to make the NK-33 an analogue of the second stage engine of the Su-57 to ensure supersonic cruising (and then no one except the F-22, of which there are few, would simply be able to approach the strategist within missile launch range), install a radar from the Su-57 for the possibility of expanding the range of weapons in the future.
  57. 0
    1 March 2024 01: 10
    And here the vast territory of Russia will be a plus, because it is somewhat easier to hit a square of American territory than to hit the 11 thousand kilometers of Russian space.


    Does the author have any idea of ​​the real size of the USA? They are not much smaller in length and size than Russia. And the territory is huge to be so reckless in thinking that it can be covered. And unlike the Russian Federation, the population and cities are evenly spread over the entire area, while we have a huge population density up to the Urals, due to objective reasons.
  58. -1
    1 March 2024 01: 30
    A large, fast plane with a good radius is of course needed. And only two countries in the world make them.
    It is probably reckless to measure its capabilities by yesterday's and today's missiles.
    Is it not enough that he will be able to deliver to the desired point tomorrow? On what physical principles? Maybe an air-launched Peresvet, maybe neutron charges that burn out electronics on the ground and in space, maybe swarms of jet drones with artificial intelligence? Maybe a compact Black Hole, where everything around disappears (they say it was invented by Soviet warrant officers from the Little Russians, but they kept it secret).
    1. 0
      4 March 2024 15: 49
      “Maybe a compact Black Hole, where everything around disappears (they say it was invented by Soviet warrant officers from the Little Russians, but they kept it secret).” - I liked it very much.
      And the main thing is realistic:
      Let me remind you of the incident with 1.5 million sets of uniforms.
      They disappeared and were never found.
      Here they are - “Black Holes”... All of them...
      Or "ensigns"? Wrong: GENERALS...
  59. 0
    1 March 2024 08: 57
    Not this way.

    The only rational task for such machines is to crash 360 missiles (not necessarily atomic, even more likely not atomic) somewhere in southern Africa or South America within XNUMX hours after receiving the order.

    Weighing the stars of the entire planet directly from the mines is cheaper.
  60. -2
    1 March 2024 12: 41
    Considering that no one will skimp on the Tu-160, many planes will be sent to intercept. Many planes - many missiles. Then everything is clear.

    In this case, several TU-160s in the echelon are equipped with air-to-air missiles with nuclear warheads. That's all....
  61. 0
    2 March 2024 06: 28
    A TOOL is WHAT is used!
    PROPERTIES - this is for “show-off”, for parades.
    TU-160, TU-95 - EAGLES!!!!
    But have you seen them in use in SVO????
    Banderlogs have so hyped the Russian Aerospace Forces that they prefer to ride Putin than to FIGHT. Beautiful and safe.
  62. 0
    2 March 2024 14: 52
    At the very beginning, SVO was used but little. In May 2023, 4 vilets were hit during strikes by the Kyrgyz Republic. In December 2022, the commander of long-range aviation, Kulbish, said that all types of aircraft under his command participated in the SVO - he obviously meant the Tu-160. But in my opinion, there are about 10 or so of them in the war. No more. The main burden of using the Kh-101/55 missile fell on the Tu-95MS. By the way, the MiG-31I carriers of the Dagger are also in the long-range aviation system.
  63. 0
    3 March 2024 09: 47
    in. The role of airplanes is not very significant. They are not as vulnerable as ground-based complexes, especially mine ones, whose coordinates are known and which will be the first attack on all sides.


    "Interesting" logic:
    MISSILE MINES are vulnerable, and AERODRIMS are difficult to get into because their coordinates are not known?
    They say that in the first hours of the Second World War, Soviet aviation did not have time to take off. Will he have time now?
    The existence of strategic bombers was determined by the mobility of aircraft carriers and the lack of missile guidance systems for such mobile targets, and in our time there are no such problems with missile guidance.
    And that's all.
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  65. 0
    5 March 2024 23: 05
    It’s like driving a Lamborghini to the market to buy groceries. There are a lot of show-offs, but the exhaust...

    So Lamborghini was created exclusively for show-off))
  66. 0
    April 20 2024 01: 06
    Let me slightly correct the design of the machine: not a beam, but a half-beam. And the civilian version will turn out to be very exotic - with two salons without a passage between them - that same half-beam will get in the way.