Shoigu proposes to withdraw defense companies from the Defense Ministry: the merits of the idea and its pitfalls

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At a meeting recently held by President Vladimir Putin with the head of the military department, Sergei Shoigu, and the chief of the General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, a rather broad range of issues was discussed: the course of the Russian Navy’s exercises in the Mediterranean and long-range flights aviation to the organizational component of the Ministry of Defense itself. In this material we will analyze in detail those proposals that Sergey Shoigu voiced in terms of changing the subordination of military-industrial complex facilities that are today under the wing of the country's Ministry of Defense. This change should lead to an increase in the efficiency of the use of funds allocated for the modernization of the army.

Shoigu said that it is advisable to transfer the production and repair enterprises of the military-industrial complex to a full-cycle contract basis while simultaneously withdrawing them from the dependence on the Ministry of Defense. This decision is dictated by the fact that the main military department of the country is exempt from the unusual functions for the control of the industrial complex.

Such a proposal by Sergei Shoigu caused a mixed reaction in the press. On the one hand, it may seem that the minister decides to send the entire industrial sector to free floating, which has already literally grown into the Ministry of Defense in order to get rid of the cargo, which has recently become pretty much the military department. But is this the cargo that is worth getting rid of and, in fact, transferring to private rails?

There is, however, another opinion on this. It is the withdrawal of the production cluster from the military-industrial complex that will make it possible to resolve the problem of the State Defense Order, which has become practically insoluble in recent years. After all, it is no secret to anyone that the former leadership of the Ministry of Defense could not agree on the state defense order in any way, including due to the fact that the enterprises with which contracts had to be concluded were directly dependent on the ministry and its leaders. In the end, it all came down to the fact that enterprises were simply dictated by the conditions on which they had to work. If enterprises of the military-industrial complex sphere declared that they were not satisfied with the conditions of the Ministry of Defense, they were quickly put in place, declaring: they say, you don’t want it as you wish; buy abroad. And they bought ... they signed contracts ...

There appeared, as they say now, a corrupt environment that tied the management of industrial enterprises hand and foot. If this manual did not go "on a compromise" with the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation, then the people in the enterprise remained without work. Here is a specific pressure on the production process ...

Now Sergei Shoigu has decided to cut this Gordian knot. He proposes to make the military-industrial complex enterprises gain independence from the ministry and work on the production and repair of military equipment and armaments under competitive conditions. In fact, the minister decided to insure himself and the entire department, let's say, against new variations of “defense services” (namely, with a small letter), which could pump money from the budget of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but swing in a completely different direction.

However, there are also doubtful sides in the withdrawal of the military production sphere from the Ministry of Defense. To begin with, we will have to admit that the main military department decided on such a move as large-scale privatization of industrial facilities. After all, if enterprises are withdrawn from the MoD, then either they will be introduced into another ministry (and this is already awl — you will have your own “defense services” in other departments) to remain state-owned, or be implemented in the direction of private shareholders to get rid of government controls, and even pressure. But the word “privatization” in the Russians over the past couple of decades has acquired an almost abusive shade ...

Many understand that the repetition of corruption scandals like the scandals with “Oboronservis” (now with a capital letter) would not be desirable, as it would not be desirable for braking when signing contracts on the State Defense Order, but at the same time they understand that in our country It is unlikely that it will be painless to transfer the defense complex enterprises to a private trader. Moreover, many defense enterprises work in strict secrecy, and therefore it is extremely difficult to launch them for open privatization without preparing a serious documentary legal framework. But in our country, it often happens: if the minister said, and the president nodded his head at that, then we should take it as a call for action to quickly implement this plan. But is it possible in this situation, sorry, to smack a fever? - rhetorical question ...

Of course, the transfer of enterprises to the level of greater production freedom, to the regime of fair competition, to the formation of their own pricing policy can lead to positive results. But are the defense industry enterprises themselves ready for this? Does this not lead to the fact that the real production competition will affect only the production of shovels and colanders, but with respect to military equipment, everything will remain as before, and in addition also with more openness for rogues with crazy money in their pockets ... Frankly would not I wanted the defense industry to plunge into such chaos.

However, chaos can be completely avoided if the withdrawal of the defense-industrial cluster beyond the framework of the Ministry of Defense is well thought out. To begin with, we will have to create a powerful legal framework for the activities of such enterprises. After all, while they are working according to those documents, according to which the Ministry of Defense itself works. In order to resolve the issue of the corrupt side and at the same time not to fall into privatization extremes, it would be worth considering, for example, the option of proportional incorporation or the option of distributing military-industrial enterprises according to their subordination principle.

In this situation (no matter how we wish to go our own way), we will have to pay attention to foreign experience in the production of military equipment. If you take Germany, which along with Australia, experts from the international organization Transparency International is called a state, quote: “with a very low level of corruption in the field of defense and defense”, then there is experience of the following plan. Leading enterprises specializing in the production of weapons and military equipment operate on the basis of private capital. There is also a practice in Germany to create production clusters that combine several military and civilian industries. Such a diversification of production solves problems with the conclusion of defense contracts with the state and reduces corruption risks to a minimum.

According to official statistics, the state’s share in the German defense industry sector does not exceed 5%. This includes, mainly, repair shops of the Air Force, the Army and the naval arsenal. Official Private Martial Suppliers weapons and equipment for the needs of the Bundeswehr, there are about 2000. This is not only industrial giants, but also fairly modest production, preparing individual parts or components.

As a result, this whole German production system works like a clock and cuts off the very possibility of corrupt officials or private individuals who do not have enough access to the money allocated by the military ministry. After all, if at one enterprise of this built system they start to overestimate unnecessarily or, on the contrary, underestimate prices, this will cause questions from competitors and colleague enterprises, which will immediately lead to verification, including by independent experts. This is a kind of self-regulating system that “repairs” itself, controls itself, does not allow itself to relax.

Agree, everything is very beautiful and monumental - in German. But only we do not live in Germany, and the existence of independent experts who will help to immediately identify a corrupt or unscrupulous major investor, we still have only to dream. But with all this, and blame the fact that Russia is not Germany, and Germany is not Russia, is also somehow silly ...

It turns out that the time has come in our country when it is time to build systems capable of high-quality self-control. If the Government is able to qualitatively implement the idea of ​​Sergei Shoigu to give the military-industrial sector a new status while maintaining and expanding human resources, attracting transparent private investment and leveling corruption schemes in the defense industry, then this will be a serious bid to demonstrate its effectiveness. Otherwise, the Russian military-industrial sector can dissolve and leave only memories of itself ...
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  1. +4
    31 January 2013 07: 19
    In December, Deputy Defense Minister Army General Dmitry Bulgakov announced that the troops would no longer engage in serious repairs of weapons and equipment.

    "At the military level, they will only be engaged in maintaining the operational state and current repair of weapons and military equipment. For this, repair and restoration battalions will remain. Industrial enterprises will be engaged in medium, major repairs, with or without modernization, as well as disposal," Bulgakov said.
  2. lars
    +1
    31 January 2013 07: 26
    Of course, there is not enough information about the legal form proposed by the defense industry. German experience is interesting!
    1. borisst64
      +11
      31 January 2013 09: 19
      Quote: lars
      German experience is interesting!

      There is a difference between a German and a Russian businessman, one first invests in production, and then makes a percentage profit. And the other immediately lays in the prices a profit of 40-50 percent, without investment costs. Who is who is easy to guess.
      1. SlavakharitonoV
        +2
        31 January 2013 22: 14
        This is not even the point, today the amount of modern technology is 20-30%. It is no longer possible to think about investments and damage to the "budget". It's too late to think about privatization, it's time to act, not to squeeze with enterprises about money, but to make them work as in the USSR: gave the command 3-4 OKB --- get a ready-made sample, and modernize it as a state program for the nationalized defense industry complex, and not on pennies for small contracts, which the factories perform every 3-4 years, you need to load everything to the eyeballs, then people will go to work, money will flow, you yourself need to "spin up" the defense industry. Since they brought him under the control of mines. defense, well, at least bring this system to mind, and do not rush from side to side, this is only harmful!
  3. +6
    31 January 2013 07: 31
    We have independent experts, but their opinion on ... no one needs.
    1. +4
      31 January 2013 11: 00
      We have independent experts, but their opinion on ... no one needs.

      One economist dumped a bunch of names and accounts, in the West it was an occasion to start an investigation, but here we have this recognition like Forbes magazine, and the most interesting thing is that these people still work in Russia as businessmen and politicians, and all their buns are in the West ...
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        31 January 2013 13: 10
        Quote: PSih2097
        but here we have this recognition, like Forbes magazine, and the most interesting thing is that these people still work in Russia as businessmen and politicians, and all their buns are in the west ...


        Alexander, very good +!

        But a question for Mr. Volodin? No, the article was written very well, but ... when did our defense industry enterprises report or were part of the Moscow Region ????

        At one time there was an Ordering Office (in all types of aircraft its own), which "was in contact with the Cabinet?

        Maybe all the same it was Shoigu's "thought" for the withdrawal of Repair Enterprises from the Ministry of Defense and the transfer of their functions to the Manufacturers (military-industrial complex and defense-industrial complex), then yes ..
        And so .. ????? request
        1. +3
          31 January 2013 13: 18
          Quote: vaf
          OPK obeyed or were part of MO ????


          Answer mr vaf:
          quote from Shoigu himself:

          "We want to transfer the enterprises ..., including taking them out of the units of the Ministry of Defense."

          Here is a message from the press service: "Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu submitted for approval to Russian President Vladimir Putin a new scheme for the repair and maintenance of military equipment, which provides for the transition to full-cycle contracts and the removal of manufacturers from the Defense Ministry units."

          If these enterprises are not part of the MO system, then why withdraw? The question then is not to the author, but to Shoigu.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +3
            31 January 2013 13: 31
            Quote: Volodin
            Answer mr vaf:


            Alexey. I welcome you +! drinks
            They just killed ... "lord" ... almost choked wassat 9 this is about us M. Zadornov said, in the theater there was never an extreme time and the tie wore colors .. a child’s surprise wassat JOKE wink

            I wrote that I liked the article good , and my koment .. purely on this quote ....In this material, we will analyze in detail those proposals that Sergey Shoigu voiced in terms of changing the subordination of military-industrial complex facilities that are today under the wing of the country's Ministry of Defense.

            Quote: Volodin
            The question then is not to the author, but to Shoigu.


            The author is next to him and you can always chat and ask drinks ... but with MO ??????? belay
            1. +3
              31 January 2013 13: 45
              Sergey, and I am glad to welcome you! As for "mister" - well, I see: you are officially ("mister Volodin"), so I also decided to support smile
              And about "under the wing ..." - well, they are really under the wing - everything is obvious. But under whose wing they may be - so far the question.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +3
                31 January 2013 16: 04
                Quote: Volodin
                you are officially ("mister Volodin")


                Aleksey, you are still the official face of the site, so you have to observe .. the protocol wink .
                This we in PM can do to you, well, or at meetings .. at the table drinks . and so ..... status quo! + soldier
        2. +1
          31 January 2013 13: 32
          Good day vaf! Regarding the transfer, they will most likely do the following: They will create another structure in the Corporations that will specialize in procuring components for repairs from enterprises, oversee rembases and have a percentage from this.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +1
            31 January 2013 16: 00
            Quote: Ustin
            Good day


            Irkutsk, fiery greetings fellow !
            How are you doing in .. "military and political"? What's the good news for CM's?
            I hope there are no "pripons"?
            I already heard the news that Chkalda and Komsomolsk are already .. just AZ, not APO ???
            1. +1
              1 February 2013 03: 37
              Hello again! I knew this news back in November last year. After all, we used to be APO, but already ten years ago as AZ, we got used to this. So colleagues are following the already "trodden" path! Good luck to them in this.
              I’m still thinking, how well it would have worked if it had not been interfered with (this is about "SM") There are no problems in "physics", but on paperwork ... Moreover, the "top" level. And this immediately puts the Customer in a state of stagnation , and hence all the problems on the "earth" For that at the end of the year we will work miracles, performing feats. But at what cost!
  4. Mikado
    +9
    31 January 2013 07: 38
    "If the enterprises of the military-industrial complex declared that the conditions of the Ministry of Defense did not suit them, then they were quickly put in place, saying: they say, if you don't want it, whatever you want; we will buy it abroad. And after all, they bought ... We signed contracts ..."

    And what will happen now if the conditions of the Ministry of Defense will not suit the already "free" enterprises of the military-industrial complex? Will they do it according to the conditions that suit the military-industrial complex?
    1. +2
      31 January 2013 12: 51
      Quote: Mikado
      And what will happen now if the conditions of the Ministry of Defense will not suit the already "free" enterprises of the military-industrial complex? Will they do it according to the conditions that suit the military-industrial complex?

      Oh, someone is alarmed by such statements. This explanation about the need for reorganization is also embarrassing:
      Quote: Author Volodin Alexey
      "This decision is dictated by the fact that the main military department of the country is exempted from unusual for themselves functions to control the industrial complex."

      Under the tsarist government and the Soviet Socialist Republic, control was necessary, but now it turns out to be unusual ??? Shoigu’s normal approach to reorganization is looming ...
  5. fight
    +6
    31 January 2013 07: 44
    I know how the Ooronservis firms are currently working in the army. In particular, the repair of "Tunguska". there are 6 machines in the battery. according to the results of defect detection, 4 more or less combat-ready are selected, and the remaining 2we are robbed for spare parts to restore others. I figured out the profit at 500%, taking into account that kickbacks were included in expenses. the quality of repairs is so and so, and the cost of repairs is sometimes almost commensurate with the capital. This is what a profitable business
  6. +1
    31 January 2013 07: 56
    If I understand correctly - he proposes to do something similar to how in the states - private companies that compete among themselves in creating the best equipment / weapons, and the defense industry only buys them?
  7. +5
    31 January 2013 08: 49
    Curious Shoigu ideas! highly!
    In the USSR there was a whole ministry of defense industry, which oversaw the entire military-industrial potential of the country. But wait a moment, a bunch of different committees, organizations and so on were late, and we got a mess. I suggest that we return to the Soviet system, and that this one ministry would control everything,
  8. 0
    31 January 2013 09: 05
    Good morning everybody! hi In my opinion, the enterprises of the defense complex should be removed from the subordination of the Ministry of Defense, of course. And here Alexey is right (by the way, I welcome hi and thank you for the article) but you need to do this extremely carefully and in stages. In order not to break firewood. As for the defense industry enterprises themselves, of course, such a type of enterprise as AOZT (closed joint stock company, in view of the secrecy of its products.) Could serve as the legal status. The question is why AOZT is not a secret that people who have been working in the defense industry for decades , that is, they have the primary right to purchase shares in their native company and + in old age could receive dividends in old age. It would be nice to introduce by type or revive the Quality Control Department (technical control departments). Subscribe to reject low-quality products at an early stage of production the company will be cheaper than in the final issue I want to touch on produktsii.Osobo marketinga.Zdes in my opinion a lot of unanswered questions, especially in terms of training.After all, as you know, frames decide everything.
    1. +1
      31 January 2013 09: 22
      AOZT, this does not mean that it is secret, just the number of shareholders in it cannot exceed 50, all that is more is OJSC. In the method that you offer, employees dick that will teach, sobsno as in any other.
    2. +2
      31 January 2013 11: 26
      And they (the enterprises of the defense industry complex) have never been part of the Moscow Region. The author is strange.
      There were repair factories (thorough repairs). Their reformists stole and plundered.
      It seems that it makes sense to restore the necessary part of them as branches of manufacturers' plants. Maybe the quality of the repair from this will improve.
      And the middle one should be in the troops. Let with the help of mobile brigades, where it is very difficult. The military unit should be as little dependent on outside organizations as possible. And then they lit "suction", a step in the matter of repair and restoration cannot be made.
  9. +9
    31 January 2013 09: 15
    Wonderful! The defense finally becomes private! Well, of course, because the state, according to the liberals, is an "ineffective owner". We know, we have passed, we have already heard this from Chubais.
    But the question is, how is it that "effective" private Western campaigns of the military-industrial complex, something so convincing in comparison with the state military-industrial complex of the USSR, have not produced anything in the entire history of the Cold War! I'm wrong? Well, then let's take examples of Western aircraft, tanks, machine guns, air defense systems, etc., where a Western private trader did something better, more reliable and cheaper than the Soviet military-industrial complex!
    At the same time, note that the NATO countries had an order of magnitude more money than the USSR and the population was three times more! Well, where is this "effective" private trader ?! Why, with his "efficiency" and with all this money, he did not make a single model of weapons better than the Soviet one ?!
    In short, sabotage is all this! The transfer of the last state property in the military-industrial complex to a private trader is crime and wrecking.
    Who does not agree, let concrete examples of successful private traders in the defense industry (compared with Soviet ones) be given! At least one sample that NATO made, that it would be better, cheaper and more reliable than the samples of production of the USSR
    1. Moritz
      +1
      31 January 2013 12: 35
      the defense industry will never be private, because there are hardly anyone who wants to acquire something that does not bring immediate profit. Well, or there are, but only to build new business centers, warehouses, residential complexes on the territory of the defense industry enterprises, which is now happening in general.

      There is no need to go far for examples of "effective" Western companies, Boeing is the same, and where is the Tupolev and Ilyushin Design Bureau now? Why, in the absence of government orders, their reliable and cheap products suddenly become useless to anyone?
      The management is well aware that our military-industrial complex is ending, but nobody knows what to do about it.
      1. 0
        31 January 2013 14: 29
        Sorry, but already sold a bunch of enterprises that worked for the defense industry. One LOMO was worth what (optics, GOS, etc.) and all this in private, with foreign hands
  10. +7
    31 January 2013 09: 30
    Again the reforms, when will they end, again the Chubais itch. Well, there is a Soviet positive experience. Private capital has never produced anything good in our country, since this privately owned comprador owner has a purely private task - to fill his pockets and that’s it. All the best in the country was done only at state-owned factories. Competition is nonsense programmed by power. The design bureaus used to compete that now there is only one Pogost-100 superjet. And competition is profanity, when it is already known who will receive the order in advance, the rest of the contestants are only for pro forma.
  11. +5
    31 January 2013 09: 58
    Well, we found out who Shoigu is. Privatizator à la Chubais, Gaidar and co-company.
  12. +3
    31 January 2013 10: 03
    a system that "repairs itself", controls itself, does not allow itself to relax.

    The official’s dream is that he will only receive a salary.
    1. FID
      +7
      31 January 2013 10: 16
      I want to add - and kickbacks!
      1. +2
        31 January 2013 16: 57
        FID,

        Well, army re-storage bases and repair factories are still Klondike. The 121st ARZ, by the way, differs in that a bunch of different crooks are spinning near this feeder and every now and then there are scandals with orders and kickbacks. Now there is a check in the framework of the Oboronservis case. There was also a scandal several years ago over the sale of MiG-31 gliders from the state reserve. Those are complete kits for the assembly of ready-made aircraft in case of wartime.
  13. +2
    31 January 2013 10: 19
    They are not looking for good from good!

    There is an old well-proven system, proven! The weapons produced in the USSR were the best and very reliable.
    It seems to me that today, first of all, it is necessary to restore the system of training skilled workers, the vocational school system, etc.
    1. Misantrop
      +5
      31 January 2013 10: 52
      Quote: omsbon
      First of all, it is necessary to restore the system of training skilled workers, vocational schools, etc.
      That's it. And what, the private trader will invest in all this? In these conditions? Do not make me laugh.

      Following, no matter how they shout that it is not profitable, corrupt, etc., these enterprises managed to survive in these really speaking, nightmare conditions. And, though somehow, they kept the system of secrecy. If you give ALL repair and maintenance to a private trader, you can safely put a bold cross on secrecy, secrecy is not beneficial to a small private trader, he needs to offer his services more widely, expand his client base.

      Farther. To increase profitability, the initial product (spare parts) with which the service cycle company works should be as cheap as possible. And where can one find SUCH, from the manufacturer? Fuck there, in the secondary market, either stolen during the production process, or already spent resource and somehow "treated". Are there not enough scandals now with the same Bulava and the quality of its kit? Now it will become a MASS phenomenon.

      And more.
      Quote: Metlik
      a system that "repairs itself", controls itself, does not allow itself to relax.

      Not "to itself", but special departments and subdivisions that exist for this very purpose. If they cannot cope, shoot and plant, take more efficient ones. Why can the state control itself, but the industry or ministry is not able to? People of a different design? And who drives and kicks the head of the family so that he rips the jig from the sofa? The head of a private company? Enough of these Gaidar fables. If to an adult it’s normal for a person to pay, to create normal conditions on the one hand, and on the other, to normally demand results (specifically for the assigned work, and not in general), then he is quite capable of working without an overseer. Not capable - went out to the shelter for the defective. It doesn’t depend on the form of ownership
      1. +2
        31 January 2013 13: 46
        Misantrop- absolutely agree with you !!!! I will not add anything! Just +++
        good good good Yes drinks
  14. +1
    31 January 2013 10: 33
    In short, everything again relies on the honesty of military representatives !!
  15. Avenger711
    +1
    31 January 2013 11: 31
    And where does privatization go? Look, let the Ministry of Medium Engineering do it.
  16. +4
    31 January 2013 12: 14
    No private trader is capable of competing with the state on equal terms. The power is capable of breaking the "backbone" of any rich Buratino. Everything depends only on the desire of this power. Do you need examples?

    In the privatization of the military-industrial complex, I see, first of all, a leak of classified information.
    1. +3
      31 January 2013 13: 52
      The doubler is all right! All information will flow to the one who is the first to notice an interesting project and pay more ... State may simply not notice, due to the incompetence and dishonesty of his bureaucracy !!! negative Yes
  17. MrBoris555
    0
    31 January 2013 14: 01
    in general, there is a solution - to transfer the enterprises into the hands of the same state corporation Rostec .. or similar, then the problem will be solved
  18. +4
    31 January 2013 14: 48
    Youth, you probably do not know, but in each regiment there were repair and restoration units. Mainly engaged in repairs, but, if necessary, took part in hostilities: approximately like STZ. Then there were division, army workshops, and then there were district factories, which carried out major repairs and deep modernization of equipment. Now everything is poher. As a result: repair units as a fact are absent in the troops, there are no one to work in factories (salaries) or none at all. The technician has to either drive the manufacturer to the factory or invite him to himself. Everything costs money. More competent organizations organized representatives who are obliged to respond promptly to breakdowns, monitor the operation of equipment. But not all representatives work fully. Once I had to complain - they fired
  19. Misantrop
    +1
    31 January 2013 18: 03
    I personally do not understand why in this country, if the owner caught the manager on theft, then throwing him out of the gate (or even putting him in) is his holy right. But if то же самое trying to make a state, cries about the lawlessness of power and the 37th year immediately begin ...
  20. Leibniz
    0
    31 January 2013 18: 39
    Get up, Russian people,
    To a glorious battle, to a mortal battle.
    Get up, people are free
    For our land fair!

    Living fighters honor and honor,
    And to the dead - eternal glory.
    For the father’s house, for the Russian land
    Get up, people are Russian
  21. 0
    31 January 2013 20: 04
    ... withdraw the defense industry enterprises from the Ministry of Defense ...


    Something painfully hasty a-la solution you yourself know who. A very high degree of probability of breaking firewood. Who will finance? Who will obey? What is the degree of subordination and independence? Etc. etc.
  22. 0
    31 January 2013 21: 21
    The state is obliged to be present in such industries at least in the form of at least ownership of a certain block of shares .....
  23. rubber_duck
    +1
    1 February 2013 07: 43
    Honestly, I didn’t fully understand what the lieutenant minister had in mind. Obviously, you need to wait for clarifications. But personally, my opinion is this: the privatization of the military-industrial complex will leave Russia without a military industry. Dixi.
  24. OLe OLeg
    -2
    1 February 2013 12: 55
    Any business is effective only in private hands, this is an axiom. Sooner or later, Russia will make the defense industry private, better sooner rather than later ...