The Hermes missile system is at the testing stage. Training grounds and special operation area

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The Hermes missile system is at the testing stage. Training grounds and special operation area
Equipment of the Hermes ground complex in stowed position


For the ground forces of the Russian army, a promising multifunctional tactical missile system "Hermes" is being developed, unified with similar systems for other branches of the military. To date, this project has reached the stage of testing at test sites and demonstrations at open events. In addition, the possibility of sending new complexes to the Special Operation zone for testing in real combat conditions is again reported.



Under development


Let us recall that the development of a promising interspecific missile system with the codes “Hermes” and “Klevok” began back in the nineties. The work was carried out in the Tula Instrument Engineering Design Bureau. Development was completed at the beginning of the 2000s aviation a modification of the complex called “Hermes-A”, designed for attack helicopters. A few years later, the new system was first shown to the public.

After the completion of work on the aviation Hermes, the design of a unified ground complex began. An analysis of the needs and requirements of the ground forces was carried out, as a result of which new, more ambitious tactical and technical requirements were formed. The land-based Hermes was supposed to show improved performance, which likely affected the complexity of the project and the timing of its implementation.

The experimental complex "Hermes" / "Klevok" was manufactured and tested in the tens. After carrying out some of the necessary events, it was shown for the first time in the open part of the Army 2020 forum. Photos from the tests were also published, showing the launcher, firing and the missile in flight.

According to known data, the Hermes product is still at the testing and development stage. Thus, in May 2023, the High-Precision Complexes holding, which includes KBP, announced the further development of the project. The complex is undergoing modernization taking into account changes in the general situation and assigned tasks. In its modified form, “Hermes” will have to undergo tests, based on the results of which the issue of adoption and launch of mass production will be decided.


Start of a rocket

Real battlefield


Until now, the Hermes experimental complex or complexes in the land version were tested only at training grounds, i.e. under controlled conditions and with a prepared target environment. Checks of this kind make it possible to determine the achievable level of tactical and technical characteristics, work out application issues, and also find and correct remaining deficiencies. At the same time, the process of testing new designs is not limited only to the training ground, and now developers of military equipment have additional opportunities of this kind.

It is expected that the Hermes will undergo military tests, some of which will be carried out in the zone of the Special Operation for the Defense of Donbass. In this case, crews of experimental or pre-production equipment will have to conduct full-fledged combat work and hit real enemy targets. Tests of this kind will more fully demonstrate the equipment’s compliance with the requirements of modern combat operations.

It is curious that the first rumors about the appearance of Hermes in the Donbass appeared several years ago, long before the start of the Special Operation. It was alleged that the militias of the two republics had at their disposal certain combat vehicles with missiles capable of attacking remote ground targets. According to one of the assumptions at that time, it could be some new modification of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system with expanded functions. Later, from rumors, the missile system began to be identified with “Hermes” / “Klevkom”.

At the end of June 2023, information appeared in the domestic press about possible military tests of the new complex in the Donbass. With reference to representatives of the High-Precision Complexes, it was reported that in the near future the new Hermes will go to the Special Operations area and show its potential there. However, the exact start date of such tests and plans for them were not reported.

Over the next few months, the topic of military tests of “Peck” in combat conditions did not appear in the media. New messages of this kind arrived only at the beginning of February. It is again assumed that the equipment will be sent to the front quickly, but details are not given.


Like the last ones news correlate with the June ones is unclear. Perhaps in 2023-24. It was planned to conduct two stages of testing the equipment with modifications between them. It also cannot be ruled out that in both cases we are talking about ordinary rumors, even in the best case, having only a distant relation to the real situation.

One way or another, the Hermes / Klevok land tactical missile system project has now progressed quite far, and a new stage of testing is only a matter of time. The complex will have to prove itself in the context of operation, and it cannot be ruled out that it will have time to take part in the current Special Operation.

Combat potential


"Hermes" for ground forces is a self-propelled missile system designed to destroy stationary and moving ground and surface targets at ranges of up to 100 km. The self-propelled version of the Hermes is unified in its main components with missile systems for aviation and fleet, but must show higher tactical, technical and combat characteristics.

The previously demonstrated Hermes / Klevka samples were built on a three-axle KamAZ automobile chassis. The possibility of using other platforms with sufficient dimensions and carrying capacity is reported. A launcher with remotely controlled guidance and a package of transport and launch containers with missiles is mounted on the base vehicle. The prototypes shown carried six missiles. It is possible to increase the ammunition load.

A command post with fire control devices and its own radar station is designed as a separate vehicle. The antenna of the latter is placed on a lifting mast and allows you to monitor the situation and search for targets throughout the entire range of the complex’s operating ranges.


The Hermes missile immediately after exiting the TPK

The Hermes missile was made using architectural solutions for the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system. This is a two-stage bicaliber rocket with a total length of 3,5 m and a maximum diameter of up to 210 mm. The starting weight of the product is 90 kg. A solid-fuel rocket engine is used, which provides launch and ejection from the TPK, as well as subsequent entry into the flight path to the target. Flight speed – up to 1 km/s.

The Klevka ammunition is equipped with a combined guidance system. Radio command control is used to fly to the target area. The missile can be equipped with homing heads of various types, ensuring flight in the final phase and hitting the target. A modification with a semi-active laser seeker was demonstrated; It is possible to develop other versions.

The missile carries a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 28 kg. With such parameters, it is capable of destroying manpower and unprotected objects in open areas, various buildings and light armored vehicles. Protected targets, at a minimum, take serious damage. It is also possible to create and implement other warheads with other effects.

Waiting for a result


According to available information, within the framework of the Hermes / Klevok project, several complexes with different deployment options are being developed, as well as a line of unified missiles with different range parameters. This family of missile systems is of particular interest to the armed forces, and there is no doubt that it will be adopted.

However, to be accepted into service, all necessary tests must be completed. In addition, as it became known in the past, the complex is undergoing modifications taking into account updated requirements and circumstances. How long it will take to perfect it is unknown. But all these processes bring the moment of Hermes adoption into service closer.
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  1. +4
    15 February 2024 07: 13
    A modification with a semi-active laser seeker was demonstrated; It is possible to develop other versions.

    And who will provide illumination of the target when firing at a range of 100 km?
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    2. +5
      15 February 2024 11: 15
      The Americans combine laser and satellite guidance. In one GOS.
    3. +1
      15 February 2024 18: 53
      Quote: Pavel57
      And who will provide illumination of the target when firing at a range of 100 km?

      And who will even say that there is any purpose there?
      1. 0
        16 February 2024 01: 40
        Quote from alexoff
        А Who's to say there's any purpose there?[/b] ?
        lol wow, aptly, you described (spoke out) about Ryabov K.’s article. wink winked [b]!!! Yes
      2. 0
        16 February 2024 22: 05
        And who will even say that there is any purpose there?

        Like who? Lieutenant General K
    4. +2
      16 February 2024 02: 08
      Quote: Pavel57
      And who will provide illumination of the target when firing at a range of 100 km?

      Reconnaissance UAV over the target, there is no one else. But such a system must be part of the KIA, that is, all elements of the KAM must be developed in a comprehensive manner. As a means of counter-battery warfare and a means of hitting high-priority, not very protected targets, it would be quite appropriate. But subject to high-quality reconnaissance and accurate target designation. Those. can only be put into service as part of such a complex - RUK.
      1. -1
        17 February 2024 15: 47
        Maybe there should just be normal standards? Why create all these complexes?
        1. +6
          17 February 2024 16: 31
          But this is a missile from the Pantsir-S1 air defense system, it is cheap, flies far along a ballistic trajectory, can be aimed very accurately (based on the controllability of the missile itself), and it would be a sin not to use one. Then, in mass production, the cost of the Pantsir missile defense system and Hermes missiles will become even lower.
          Quote: Shtynsky Dwarf
          Why create all these complexes?

          This is a highly accurate and not very expensive weapon, with a relatively compact launcher. It can be very effective against a stationary target with previously known coordinates. The weight of the warhead is slightly higher/at the level of the projectile, 122 mm. , but since in such a warhead the proportion of explosives is much greater than in a thick-walled projectile designed for enormous overloads, then in terms of high-explosive effects such a warhead can be close to a 152 mm caliber projectile. It is necessary to carefully calculate the ratio of cost and effect produced; you can compare it with the same "Krasnopol-M". And if reconnaissance UAVs can illuminate a target with a laser, or provide the exact coordinates of the target in real time, then Hermes can be very effective. Incl. when launched from helicopters and light attack aircraft. And also for arming coastal defense ships, landing ships, small missiles, light corvettes. But the main thing is reconnaissance and target designation. And always as part of the RUK. . . But this is exactly how it is now in any artillery battery - target designation from a UAV.
          1. +2
            21 February 2024 09: 06
            You can borrow an idea from the Americans and add a satellite guidance option, if at the same time there is the possibility of target designation through different channels, then this will only increase the effectiveness of this complex.
            1. +1
              21 February 2024 14: 07
              Quote: sgrabik
              You can borrow the idea from the Americans and add a satellite guidance option

              For stationary targets with pre-known coordinates, there are no problems at all, but since... The power of the warhead is limited, then at least to control the quality of the kill, the presence of a reconnaissance UAV over the target is extremely desirable.
  2. +2
    15 February 2024 07: 46
    You need a camera in a rocket, like the Israeli Spike, right in flight you can select a target if this one is missing or a more important one, all this radio and heat are good for the sky, but on the ground you need to see where to hit. When everything is finalized, it will be a gorgeous complex!
    1. +4
      15 February 2024 09: 12
      For this you need an analogue of Starlink
      1. -1
        15 February 2024 09: 35
        To do this, you can equip the first stage with a parachute and a repeater, but you need to calculate how much it will “fall” during the operation of the second stage. Your own Starlink is still very expensive, and in the event of a big niggle it will be disabled (hello, a couple of dozen orbital “buckets with bolts” at an approach speed of 15-20 km/s)
      2. +5
        15 February 2024 18: 52
        How did Israel launch these missiles before without Starlink? And even now they are launching without it. On the Starlink the light came together like a wedge, before it the military fought with spears and arrows, you might think
        1. 0
          17 February 2024 00: 57
          Everything ingenious is simple, there was a reel with a fiber optic cable.
          1. 0
            17 February 2024 04: 18
            And apparently nothing happens without coils, it’s good that Musk invented the radio, and Spike NLOS can fly further without coils. I hope we will also invent drones that fly for kilometers and without wires and lasers, or at least steal these incredible inventions for transmitting information over distances
    2. +1
      15 February 2024 20: 23
      Quote: Vadim S
      Need a camera in a rocket

      Hellfire's first version had a telehead. Showed the worst results in terms of hits. But with laser illumination, with GPS, with an IR head - here they only believed in the rocket, the results became many times better.
    3. +1
      17 February 2024 00: 59
      Need a camera in a rocket like Israeli Spike

      To have a camera in a rocket like Spike’s, you must fly at Spike’s speed. And such a thing actually already exists. She even looks like the same Spike.
    4. +1
      18 February 2024 00: 17
      KBP can't do that. Rockets are not his thing at all. Guns - wow... But their missiles are very so-so. If you want a Russian spike, wait for the full-scale deployment of the Product 305 family. This is exactly the principle of a flying television camera.
      But there is no point in expecting a breakthrough from KBP. Aren’t you confused by the fact that over 30 years of development, Hermes barely “crawled” to the tests “the results of which will decide the issue of adoption and launch of mass production.” For comparison, “Novator”, in a comparable time, brought to series the entire “Caliber” family, the Makeev Center “Sarmat”, “Sineva” and “Liner”. And the KBP can barely carry missiles for the Pantsir.
      Hermes has been in “promising development” for a quarter of a century; the Su-57 was “born” faster than this missile.
      1. 0
        April 27 2024 20: 41
        "Rockets are very so-so"
        1. Cornet
        2. Whirlwind
        3. Shell
  3. +6
    15 February 2024 10: 52
    At the beginning of the development of Hermes, 3 seekers were planned: 1. Semi-active laser seeker; 2. Infrared (thermal imaging) seeker; 3. Active millimeter-wave radar seeker... Later, “in the process” they were going to combine the first 2 seekers into one... and the issue of developing an active laser seeker was considered (one of the deputy chief designers once blurted out about this... ) Currently in Russia, in a more or less ready state, there is an infrared television seeker, with which they intend to equip a number of promising models of missile weapons being developed! An active laser seeker should be considered as the “fleeting” chatter of the engineer’s uncle from the design bureau (the Americans are still far behind They haven’t brought their similar seeker to fruition for years!) What remains is the “radar” seeker... In principle, it would be nice to make an analogue of the combined Brimstone seeker (radar + laser...)! [About the “triple” like the Americans, I don’t even “dream” of a seeker! (radar + infrared + laser)] The Hermes missile is not a cheap “product”! And it’s a “sorry” to lose it as a result of a miss! A “triple” seeker will be “a little "more expensive, but the greater probability of hitting the target compensates for this! Currently, it is desirable to equip the Hermes with inertial-satellite guidance with the possibility of radio correction! That is, GPS will be very useful! A "multi-purpose" warhead will also not be superfluous! (As I remember, in Israel, missiles are often equipped with “multi-purpose” warheads of 2 types!...The designs of cumulative high-explosive fragmentation and (high-explosive fragmentation + SFZ) warheads are known!) I consider the FPV function useful for TSN (television guidance system )... The UAV will also be useful as a warhead for the Hermes! The “transformation” of “Hermes” into “Hermes” 2.0 will be interesting
    1. 0
      15 February 2024 14: 24
      And what will provide a stable communication channel when the use of a satellite for this purpose is unlikely, and a high-altitude repeater with a powerful transceiver is simply not available? Or is there something we don’t know?
      1. +3
        15 February 2024 18: 24
        Quote: Xenofont
        And what will ensure a stable communication channel,

        1. UAV-relay as a Hermes warhead; 2. Equipping weapons with AI elements (auto-recognition of targets, auto-locking of targets) is increasingly becoming a “trend”; 3. "Work" in a network-centric "environment"!
    2. +1
      16 February 2024 12: 17
      I find the FPV function useful for TSN (television guidance system).

      A rocket is not a drone, it has completely different speeds, FPV cannot be implemented there, no operator reaction is enough
      1. +2
        17 February 2024 17: 24
        It will come in handy when launching at maximum distance! At takeoff, the rocket behaves like KABs... KABs with a television-command guidance system used to exist!
        1. +1
          18 February 2024 00: 36
          Imagine yourself in the operator's place. Here you are sitting in the control center, they tell you - there is a target, the rocket has launched. You can’t see the rocket, it’s still following GLONASS coordinates, there’s a “black screen” in front of you. You sit and wait. When they give you a picture, you have no idea, it all depends on a bunch of factors somewhere out there, 100 km from the target. The rocket flies at approximately 300+ m/s. At some point, suddenly the screen in front of you flashes and you see... WHAT? You control and aim, you have no idea what area you are seeing, the viewing angle of the missile is insignificant, the picture can be 20 frames per second, or maybe 10, the signal delay is 1 second and now the accuracy of your guidance is +- 300 meters . At the final part of the trajectory, a rocket similar to Hermes flies by inertia, maneuvers are limited. That is, you will have literally a few seconds, you cannot really control the rocket and you are in constant stress.

          Product 305, in theory, has a similar mode, but it is available only to top-class masters who have known Zen. :)
      2. +1
        21 February 2024 09: 13
        The FPV operator will eventually be replaced by artificial intelligence systems, this is not far off.
    3. -2
      17 February 2024 04: 23
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      What remains is the “radar” seeker... In principle, it would be nice to make an analogue of the combined Brimstone seeker (radar + laser...)

      Somehow, the supply of these missiles to the dry landers was limited to recordings from launches; once, one of ours came from the launcher. That was all, there was no boasting from them. Radar is good for looking for ships on the water surface or airplanes in the sky, but finding equipment not in the desert is quite problematic. And then also plant all the missiles in a long-abandoned and burnt-out armored personnel carrier, since the radar will not distinguish
  4. +16
    15 February 2024 11: 01
    The result was Krasnopol with the range of Khaymars, at a great price. Why be so perverted? Because they couldn’t do another seeker? So the whole point was in the correct seeker ala Spike and very fast delivery of the warhead to the target (so that it does not have time to escape), without this the point of building a specialized garden is lost. Isn’t it easier to attach a laser seeker to Grad/Uragan/Smerch; it will cost a couple of orders of magnitude cheaper, with the same efficiency? As a result, more money and time are wasted. The country is rich, we can afford...
    1. +2
      15 February 2024 15: 59
      Quote: Passing by
      The result was Krasnopol with the range of Khaymars, at a great price. .

      How much is the horse price in this case (and if possible - source)?
      1. 0
        16 February 2024 12: 19
        The very fact of using an anti-aircraft missile as a base indicates its high cost. And you are unlikely to find an invoice with the indicated cost anywhere, the time is not right.
        1. +3
          17 February 2024 01: 03
          The rocket itself is quite simple.
    2. 0
      15 February 2024 17: 09
      Everything has been attached for a long time. And if it’s not attached, then it’s tied with blue electrical tape for testing. Everything that Hermes can do can be realized with Hurricane. Use Hermes R&D to create new missiles for Hurricane.
    3. 0
      15 February 2024 18: 55
      Quote: Passing by
      So the whole point was the correct seeker ala Spike and very fast delivery of the warhead to the target

      How to control a rocket at a speed of 1 km/s? You won't have time to see anything there.
  5. 0
    15 February 2024 12: 24
    Oka would have been reanimated and the hunchbacked one would have done well for it in due time, Western partners, don’t believe me, ask where his grandchildren live
  6. -1
    15 February 2024 12: 24
    If the range is greater than that of the Tornado-S, it can and should be brought to series. It will close the gap between the existing MLRS and Iskander-M
    1. +5
      15 February 2024 16: 03
      Quote: Rus_80
      If the range is greater than that of the Tornado-S, it can and should be brought to series. It will close the gap between the existing MLRS and Iskander-M

      It’s not entirely clear how you want to close the gap between a 28 kg and 150 warhead with a 480 kg warhead? wink This thing still has to grow and grow even before Krasnopol.... In general, you are comparing a match with a grenade, it seems to me. Different goals, different characteristics.
      1. 0
        15 February 2024 20: 34
        Quote: Hagen
        This thing still has to grow and grow even before Krasnopol....

        In range? wink
        So the Krasnopol explosives in the projectile are also barely 6.5 kg. By the way, they write that Klevok-D2, in theory, the weight of the warhead was 57 kg, but it’s not clear where 28 kg comes from.
        1. 0
          16 February 2024 06: 02
          Quote: Saxahorse
          It’s not clear where the 28 kg comes from.

          From the article..."The missile carries a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 28 kg." That's what it says. I guess the author knew what he was writing... But I don’t think there’s much point in making a missile with such a warhead and a range of 1000 km.
          1. +1
            16 February 2024 12: 20
            The missile is based on the Pantsir missile, which has a warhead of 16-20 kg.
    2. 0
      21 February 2024 09: 20
      "Tornado-S" has new missiles that fly 130 km, on the way missiles up to 200 km, "Hermes" is a slightly different niche of application.
  7. +5
    15 February 2024 14: 54
    It takes an inordinately long time to make this complex. 30 years. And there seems to be no end in sight. Even the aviation version has not yet been brought to fruition. A rocket with a “fire and forget” principle is now very necessary for our Aerospace Forces
    1. +1
      15 February 2024 16: 10
      Hagen,
      Your truth! Range... Range... Really, I was being stupid))) Sorry)
    2. 0
      17 February 2024 01: 07
      yeah... but where did he shoot and forget it? with radio command (at 100 km? How is that?) and semi-active laser guidance?
  8. Elk
    +3
    15 February 2024 15: 54
    Kirill can only be read on rewind
  9. +2
    15 February 2024 17: 12
    As for me, Hermas has lost its relevance. Smart missiles for MLRS cover its capabilities. And in aviation, missiles with comparable characteristics have recently begun to be used.
    It looks like our Hermes didn’t make it to the ball.
    1. +2
      15 February 2024 20: 30
      Quote: garri-lin
      As for me, Hermas has lost its relevance. Smart missiles for MLRS cover its capabilities.

      So these smart ones are not there... And aviation is not getting any closer to the LBS. But the radio command system has its advantages. For example, you can’t confuse it with spoofing like GPS or GLONASS. But the fact that in addition to laser illumination, you also need IR and the same GLONASS\GPS is correctly written.
      1. +1
        16 February 2024 11: 58
        There are smart ones. Different. And on the basis of Hermes, it is not necessary to make a separate type of weapon, but just smart missiles for MLRS, essentially unifying the launchers.
        1. 0
          16 February 2024 20: 38
          Quote: garri-lin
          There are smart ones. Different. And on the basis of Hermes, it is not necessary to make a separate type of weapon, but just smart missiles for MLRS, essentially unifying the launchers.

          Please give an example of an MLRS missile with radio command control.. Again, you can’t put a bicaliber missile into a standard Grad launcher, although the launcher is secondary here, the main thing is the missile itself and the control vehicle. Here there is no smell of unification with MLRS, but rather with something from air defense. laughing
          1. +2
            17 February 2024 08: 11
            Radio command guidance is precisely the most controversial part of Hermes. The inertial is independent of external influences. You can’t put a bicaliber one in a Grad, but you can easily put it in a Hurricane. And we need to get rid of the Grad a long time ago. Outdated.
            A control vehicle, and even one with a good radar on the mast, will not hurt the MLRS divisions. In this case, the reaction time to threats will be reduced.
            Plus, I don’t believe in Hermes operating at full range without an external control center.
            1. 0
              18 February 2024 18: 36
              Quote: garri-lin
              The inertial is independent of external influences.

              The question is the cost of the solution. The Point has inertial and we know that today it is nothing. Iskander has it and it’s much better here. The power of the peck is comparable to that of a six-inch projectile, and Iskander-level solutions are inappropriate here. I believe that the radio command system here is optimal in terms of cost, especially since all the necessary components of the system are already being mass-produced for air defense/missile defense.

              We currently have a pretty bad situation with counter-batteries, and the proposed system fits into today’s needs just in time.
              1. +3
                19 February 2024 00: 42
                The counter-battery is bad not because of the means of destruction, but because the information about the target’s position is outdated.
                1. +1
                  20 February 2024 00: 11
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  The counter-battery is bad not because of the means of destruction, but because the information about the target’s position is outdated.

                  And this too, but there is nothing special to quickly reach detected long-range targets. A lancet at such distances will take half an hour or an hour to cut, a tornado/tornado may explode, but the accuracy of the MLRS at long distances is not very good, most likely they will not cover you. But Acacia won’t be enough, although Krasnopol would come in handy. A Hermes-type system is very appropriate; it can hit quickly and from beyond the range of Ukrainian artillery systems.
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2024 08: 26
                    Can you imagine how many of those Hermes are needed to block the entire line of contact???
                    Yes, we cannot protect Belgorod.
                    1. +1
                      21 February 2024 00: 25
                      Quote: garri-lin
                      Can you imagine how many of those Hermes are needed to block the entire line of contact???

                      So what to do? We must fight! The Armed Forces of Ukraine have barely a dozen and a half of the same Hymers, and how much trouble they cause... At least catching them will be a relief.
                      1. +2
                        21 February 2024 09: 07
                        So the fact of the matter is that quantitative parity is not suitable here. There are many goals for highmars. They can roam as the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces wants. And in order to resist them, Hermes needs to be in many places at once. And that means you need a lot of them. It is much more logical to increase the capabilities of the MLRS through modernization. And cheaper.
                      2. 0
                        22 February 2024 00: 16
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        It is much more logical to increase the capabilities of the MLRS through modernization. And cheaper.

                        It will not be cheaper, we have already talked about this. Without a radio command system, a large and expensive inertia will be required, which will eat up both the price and power. Plus devices for setting a course during launch, which the MLRS does not have. Missiles for the Pantsir have been mass-produced for a long time, there are minimal changes. Therefore, the launch can be expected to be quick and relatively inexpensive.
                      3. +1
                        22 February 2024 09: 21
                        There are already missiles for MLRS that in their capabilities match or exceed the capabilities of Hermes. We need to increase the range of heads for them. And give the divisions reconnaissance assets. And screw the same radio command with electrical tape.
                        Do not build a new system by duplicating the old one, but give old systems new capabilities.
      2. 0
        16 February 2024 13: 30
        The radio command guidance system is not capable of excluding external suppression and even interception of control of electronic warfare equipment long before the seeker reaches the operating limit.
        1. 0
          16 February 2024 20: 44
          Quote: Corn grower
          The radio command guidance system is not capable of excluding external suppression and even interception of control of electronic warfare equipment long before the seeker reaches the operating limit.

          In theory, everything can be suppressed, but the required powers differ by a couple of orders of magnitude. I have never heard of the practical use of such a possibility; to this day, dipole reflectors are installed on airplanes rather than means of radio suppression of missiles..
          1. 0
            17 February 2024 18: 52
            Quote: Saxahorse
            I've never heard of such a feature being used in practice.

            Even in the last century, NATO aviation electronic warfare stations used “velocity-deflecting” active interference to prevent the untimely activation of the warhead of the S-200 air defense missile system.
  10. +6
    15 February 2024 17: 15
    Who will illuminate you at 100 km... You need an autonomous seeker with a search, albeit a short one, and with automatic target acquisition, based on machine vision. Like Lancets 53. It will be IMBA! Using counter-battery weapons (radar, UAV), we identified the approximate area of ​​enemy equipment (SAM, Arta, Hymers) and fired a salvo of Hermes, six missiles. When entering a given area, search and destroy. This is the breakthrough weapon of the future! But there is not enough cooperation. The developers of Hermes lack competence in neural networks, Zakharov with his Lancets lacks the speed of response, until the Lancet reaches you, you can shoot ten times and leave.
  11. ASM
    +1
    15 February 2024 17: 42
    It seems to me that a controlled aerial bomb from some UAV has better performance. The bomb does not produce hot exhaust and, accordingly, no trace; flies on t.zh. 100 km; it is inexpensive, and you can re-equip old bomb stores; carries a significant warhead. Yes, the bomb’s ability to adjust its trajectory is lower than that of a high-speed missile, and the approach time is higher, but the article talks about attacks on stationary/slow-moving targets. And they have already learned how to sculpt plastic fuselages well, and the control/guidance complexes in both versions are similar.
    1. +1
      15 February 2024 20: 20
      Quote from A.S.M.
      The bomb does not produce hot exhaust and, accordingly, no trace

      Look at the rocket, in the photo. It also has a hot exhaust only in the first stage, the second most of it flies by inertia. By the way, the Americans, on the contrary, are converting their gliding bombs into warheads for old missiles; recently they published news about this. The old rocket throws it 10 km, from where it calmly plans on those same 100 km to the enemy.
      1. ASM
        0
        15 February 2024 22: 05
        There are a couple of snags here - the rocket needs a separate disposable engine, which will crash halfway into nowhere and cannot be illuminated 100 km from the ground. The UAV, after work, can return, which means the engine and guidance systems are reusable, and can provide illumination beyond the horizon. And it’s even easier to store this equipment - carriers separately, combat units separately.
        1. 0
          23 February 2024 10: 48
          Quote from A.S.M.
          The UAV, after work, can return, which means

          The risk of the drone operator being unmasked doubles.
          What is more important on the battlefield, UAVs or soldiers, which is more expensive?
  12. +3
    15 February 2024 20: 42
    The Hermes missile was made using architectural solutions for the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system. This is a two-stage bicaliber rocket with a total length of 3,5 m and a maximum diameter of up to 210 mm. The starting weight of the product is 90 kg.

    Interesting, but not clear. With a weight of 90 kg and six missiles in the launcher, why place them on a three-axle KamAZ? Maybe more modestly, on an UAZ? Okay, I agree with Gazelle! laughing

    In general, a very interesting solution, just right for a counter battery! Fortunately, our Eagles can fly quite well at 100 km. There will be someone to illuminate from above. Although an IR and GPS head wouldn't hurt either.
    1. +3
      16 February 2024 08: 51
      The IR head is needed to destroy Highmars and Archers according to counter-battery radar data. With such a rocket speed, there is a chance that the adversary will not have time to curl up and make legs.
      A very necessary thing yesterday.
  13. 0
    16 February 2024 10: 55
    Quote from alexoff
    Quote: Pavel57
    And who will provide illumination of the target when firing at a range of 100 km?

    And who will even say that there is any purpose there?

    A command post with fire control devices and its own radar station is designed as a separate vehicle. The antenna of the latter is placed on a lifting mast and allows you to monitor the situation and search for targets throughout the entire range of the complex’s operating ranges.
    1. +3
      16 February 2024 12: 36
      The antenna of the latter is placed on a lifting mast and allows you to monitor the situation and search for targets throughout the entire range of the complex’s operating ranges.

      There is such a thing as a radio horizon. A simplified formula for calculating it in kilometers is to take the square root of the antenna height in meters and multiply by 4,12.
      There is a working range of 100 km, then to see the target on the ground
      (or on water) the antenna must be at an altitude of at least 600 m.
      Do you think this is real?
      1. +2
        21 February 2024 09: 32
        It is necessary to provide for the placement of the antenna on the balloon, which will be part of the fire control vehicle, secured with a cable and, at the right time, raised into the air to the required height.
  14. -1
    16 February 2024 16: 46
    Quote from solar
    There is a working range of 100 km, then to see the target on the ground
    (or on water) the antenna must be at an altitude of at least 600 m.
    Do you think this is real?

    It is quite possible to place the antenna at a dominant altitude or on a high seashore. In addition, the radar is capable of “seeing” even beyond the horizon - this was noticed back in World War II. In these cases, it is quite possible to achieve a reconnaissance range of 80-100 kilometers.
  15. 0
    17 February 2024 22: 13
    I don’t quite understand the algorithm for using it. Since it has its own command post for control, detection and guidance with an elevating antenna, it means it must search for and hit targets slightly over the horizon. Radiating and demoskering. And it should be no more than 30 km from the front. This means that he will be immediately copied by enemy reconnaissance drones. Moreover, at least two Kamaz-based colossi standing in the middle of the field are very noticeable. Can someone really explain what this is and how it works?
  16. +1
    20 February 2024 18: 52
    Quote: Author
    ..The antenna of the latter is placed on the lifting mast and allows you to monitor the situation and look for goals over the entire range of operating ranges of the complex.


    It is necessary to cut down the sturgeon while searching for targets using a lifting mast, rather receiving the location of the target from an AWACS aircraft (satellite, drone), and then ISN + GOS.
  17. +1
    21 February 2024 19: 33
    a promising multifunctional tactical missile system "Hermes" is being developed, unified with similar systems for other branches of the military. TO


    These fables about Hermes have been told to us for twenty years now, but things are still there...
    In 15 they wrote that Hermes was being tested in Syria and was about to enter service with the Russian army.
    8 years have passed, and the complex is still being tested and improved....
    It seems that there are no longer designers of the level of Shipunov or Invincible who are capable of bringing promising weapons to serial production...
  18. -1
    14 March 2024 22: 45
    Quote from alexoff
    Quote: Pavel57
    And who will provide illumination of the target when firing at a range of 100 km?

    And who will even say that there is any purpose there?


    Petrov and Basharov!
  19. +1
    14 March 2024 23: 07
    What new has Rostec created over the past 20 years and delivered to the army?

    What did the huge money go to?

    Who will answer for this?
  20. +1
    April 19 2024 13: 16
    Another article by Ryabov with empty chatter about nothing. It seems that I have already gone through all the topics and have nothing to write about. I remembered the notorious Hermes, which is already a hundred years old at lunchtime. It seems to be endlessly being made, remade, tested, retested, and there is no end in sight. It looks like it was a dead-end decision to make a Russian “spike” shell out of an air defense missile. During this time and money that was spent on Hermes, it was possible to create from scratch and launch into production several variants of missiles with the performance characteristics declared for it.