Asmund, come on, give us the rockets!

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Asmund, come on, give us the rockets!

The well-known Swedish concern SAAB is working on the concept of a supersonic, stealth drone codenamed "faithful wingman". The program has been funded by the company from its own funds for some time, but until recently went largely unnoticed. Ultimately, however, the emergence of such a drone concept is entirely consistent with the company's status as one of the active developers of unmanned systems in Europe.

The idea of ​​drones, whether powered by artificial intelligence, controlled from the ground or from the cockpit, is not new as such. The only question is the concept of application and size. In Russia they made the S-70 “Okhotnik”, a huge thing with not entirely clear capabilities.



However, the dimensions of the S-70 indicate that such a device has more than one or two options for use, since a large size means a large engine and a large load capacity.

And why, tell me, are the Swedes worse?

Yes, the country used to have a neutral status, and no one seemed to be planning to attack it, but everything in this world is relative. Enemies appear or are invented, which means we need to modernize the army, Aviation and the fleet! And if we are developing a hefty S-57 in addition to the rather large Su-70, then in Sweden they are coming up with a very compact and lightweight SA.39... However, first things first.

Photos of a concept drone developed as part of Saab's Future Combat Air System (FCAS) program have recently made the rounds on social media. At this point, it is worth noting that the FCAS nomenclature is used by British and pan-European air combat programs, each of which has a basic manned fighter aircraft at its core. Here it must be said that SAAB previously collaborated with the UK under the FCAS program, which we will pay attention to a little later, but in general the idea of ​​the Swedes caused some excitement in the aviation circles of Europe and the UK (which does not really consider itself Europe)


Full view of the SAAB Loyal Wingman concept in the L-2000 wind tunnel at the Royal Technical High School in Stockholm

Unlike many similar designs and concepts, the Swedish drone appears to have been initially designed for high speed, supersonic flight, and low visibility. It has a wing and body configuration with traces of optimization for supersonic flight.

The concept has a single engine with an air intake above the nose of the fuselage, designed for stealth. They also clearly put a lot of effort into the nozzle in terms of camouflage; it is well recessed into the tail part of the device, which will provide additional camouflage when trying to detect the UAV using its heat signature.

Typical of stealth aircraft, the drone has outward-angled vertical stabilizers protruding from either side of the rear fuselage. The usual horizontal tail surfaces are absent here.

The bottom view of the model confirms that the drone is designed to have significant internal space, which clearly implies transportation weapons. On both sides of the fuselage there are long storage compartments hidden by large one-piece hatch doors.


Model of a wind tunnel with one open weapon bay

The landing gear is a conventional wheeled tricycle, retractable into the fuselage. In general, any such supernovations are not noticeable, but this does not mean that they do not exist.

SAAB's "loyal wingman" concept came out of the shadows back in September 2022, when it was presented as part of an academic paper at the 33rd Congress of the International Council of Aeronautical Sciences (ICAS), held in Stockholm, the capital of Sweden.

At that time, the main focus was on the aerodynamic development of a supersonic and stealth “true wingman” concept as part of the early stages of design, with a transition to practice: some had to be brought to perfection after purging in the wind tunnel, some using computer modeling.


Wind tunnel model and determination of forces and moments measured in the wind tunnel

According to SAAB reports, accelerating the design process was a very important goal using "various levels of computational fluid dynamics tools and wind tunnel testing using extensive additive manufacturing techniques." Additive manufacturing uses computer-aided design (CAD) software or 3D object scanners to create precise geometric shapes, a process commonly known as 3D printing.

SAAB experts, who commented on their work within the limits of what was permitted, said that the company's FCAS efforts included "continuous exploration of new concepts and evaluation of their operational effectiveness in various scenarios," with the supersonic and stealth Loyal Wingman "matured much further than some other".

Here we can conclude that in addition to the Loyal Wingman, SAAB also carried out other developments.

While foreign media coverage has focused mostly on the concepts behind fast, low-cost aerodynamic development, there are a few interesting tidbits that shed light on the Loyal Wingman's actual design.

“The SAAB Loyal Wingman concept is designed to meet the requirements with an emphasis on low radar signature, high speed and range beyond visual range. This requires low supersonic drag and internal weapons bays, which is somewhat the opposite, since low supersonic drag is achieved by a thin wing layout and fuselage in particular, and internal weapons bays usually achieve the opposite.”


Ultimately, the report notes that the aerodynamic development study of the SAAB Loyal Wingman drone proved that
“Wind tunnel testing can be successfully carried out within the limited time frame and limited budget that exists in typical project launch events at SAAB”
.

That is, in principle, the project was liked and approved. At least at first. But questions remain about the future status of the SAAB Loyal Wingman, SAAB FCAS and the future requirements for combat aircraft in the Swedish Air Force. Including from the perspective in which Sweden is joining NATO.

Back in 2019, it was announced that SAAB had officially joined the UK's Team Tempest future combat aircraft program, along with Italy's Leonardo, in an attempt to share costs and bring a wider knowledge base to the project.

Subsequently, Japan also joined British FCAS research and work, which included the Tempest fighter and which is now known as the Global Combat Air Program (GCAP). The goal is to have a sixth-generation aerial platform in the air by 2035, no more, no less.


Tempest sixth-generation fighter project under British leadership

Although Sweden was one of the countries that showed significant interest in the UK-led program back when it was still commonly known as FCAS, in November 2023 the country confirmed that it was no longer involved in Tempest, and was no longer mentioned in connection with GCAS.

It is possible that Sweden will rejoin GCAS at some point in the future, or it may merge with the rival pan-European FCAS. At least there is something to do with it.


A manned fighter concept that is planned to form the core of a pan-European FCAS program

Both of these future combat aircraft programs aim to introduce a number of complementary technologies, including slave unmanned aerial vehicles (possibly with artificial intelligence) and a new generation of air-launched weapons, not to mention sensors, engines, and data-sharing capabilities and communications architecture.

So far, however, details about potential "loyal wingmen" have been limited, and there appears to be no mention of a supersonic drone like the one SAAB has been working on.

The supersonic, stealthy "faithful wingman" would seem to fly in the face of the "affordable hardware mass" ideas that are currently trending in the field. The idea is that wingman drones should be inexpensive enough that combatant commanders are willing to lose them on high-risk missions, but at the same time be relevant to effectively carry out those missions. The dream of the golden mean, embodied in metal.

But, by the way, it’s not only us and the Swedes who are working in the direction of “faithful followers.” Even in the United States, in light of the rebalancing of its Air Force, they are thinking about changes in the program for the development of similar devices, aimed at higher flight characteristics and, accordingly, higher cost of UAVs.

But the development of the SAAB Loyal Wingman in its current form appears to be an even more expensive and complex solution than those types drones, which were usually proposed for close cooperation with manned platforms in air combat or striking ground targets.

But it is in this role that the SAAB Loyal Wingman can be a very powerful addition to fifth or sixth generation fighters, although with fourth generation fighters, as Sweden does, the theme will not look stupid.


In general, if you think about it, an Air Force with 4th generation fighters like the Gripen can benefit from advanced "loyal wingmen" even more than from 5th or 6th generation fighters.

This would breathe a whole new life into the 4th generation fighter and give it stealth, penetrating capability with the help of wingman drones that would go ahead of the aircraft, as well as greatly expand tactical flexibility, increase tactical situational awareness and dramatically increase survivability. And all this thanks to drones.

One could, of course, argue that with high-end, largely autonomous unmanned wingmen, more advanced and expensive manned fighters may not be needed for the vast majority of missions. Perhaps, but there are some nuances here. The plane that will control the UAV must still be in the air. The operator on the ground will not be able to properly control the situation, this has already been proven.

But the fact that SAAB can pair its Gripen with a drone to give the aircraft advanced capabilities at a lower cost than buying high-tech, stealth, manned fighters and constantly training pilots to fly them is a fact that I don't want to argue with at all.

At the same time, SAAB says it is at the forefront of digital design, flexible software and digital engineering technologies that promise not only to shorten the time between an aircraft's design and when it gets into the air for testing, but also to reduce costs. This was the basic principle of the Boeing/SAAB T-7A Red Hawk advanced jet trainer, although work on this aircraft was, let's say, controversial among many.


Unlike many other Western European air forces, Sweden has yet to begin acquiring/developing a fifth or sixth generation fighter. Instead, the company can rely on its 60 new-generation SAAB Gripen E for the foreseeable future, and has also decided to retain its older fleet of Gripen C/Ds for a longer period. The Gripen E is significantly different from the Gripen C/D, but despite the differences, both are fourth generation fighters.


Swedish Air Force Gripen C

This is where having a stealthy supersonic drone that could work in tandem with the Gripen, especially the newest Gripen E with its more powerful sensor suite, could be a huge advantage.

In air-to-air mode, especially when armed with the same Meteor air-to-air missiles as the Gripen, crewed fighters, as well as airborne early warning and control aircraft and others, such as ground control, can guide "trusty wingmen" onto targets, allowing them to carry out combat operations without the need to use any of their own sensors and potentially detect their presence.

In general, the idea of ​​UAVs with missiles going ahead of manned fighters without being detected and forming a sort of first line of defense is a good tactic. AWACS aircraft will carry out target designation for drones, act as “eyes,” and UAVs will be able to attack enemy aircraft without exposing the crews of their aircraft to enemy missiles.

The opposite set of tactics, where drones provide targeting information to manned fighters, could also have great benefits. Having unmanned aerial vehicles of this type that could operate in conjunction with manned aircraft would also simply increase the number of missiles available, which would significantly increase the "magazine capacity" of a squadron in the air.


Gripen E with seven MBDA Meteor air-to-air missiles and two IRIS-T air-to-air missiles

In an air-to-surface role, the SAAB Loyal Wingman will be able to penetrate deeper into enemy airspace, possibly flying autonomously, semi-autonomously, or otherwise working closely with the Gripen and other aircraft. And here the usefulness of the UAV is also obvious, since, having a smaller size, it will be more likely to get close to enemy radars, air defense systems, airfields and carry out the first attack using its ammunition.


From the point of view of suppressing enemy air defenses, such a drone will be especially highly valued, since it is capable of approaching enemy air defense systems before being detected, and possibly also attacking them kinetically (supersonic kamikaze drone - what do you think?) or with using electronic warfare equipment. The main thing is to quickly and quietly deliver everything closer to air defense systems.

Sweden has a well-established (possibly one of the best in the world) data link system connecting manned fighter aircraft as well as other platforms, ground and airborne. The Swedish fighter-to-fighter data link had already been deployed back in the early 1980s on SAAB Viggen.

To date, the data exchange system has only become better, but its essence is the same: to give the pilot the maximum possible amount of tactical information. This gives the pilot a real opportunity to deal with a much more complex tactical situation.


Gripen E

Radars, infrared search and tracking systems, optical location stations, electronic warfare systems, and the exchange of received data are fundamental to the operations of not only the Swedish Air Force, but any air force on the planet. In an environment where keeping electronics quiet is highly valued, a stealth drone could be a natural and effective complement to an aircraft. Supersonic speeds also do not exactly guarantee survival and hitting targets, but, let’s say, they increase the chance of both the first and the second.

It's worth noting that at least one other European combat drone claims supersonic performance (or at least will approach it in later versions) and has already taken to the air. This is the Turkish Baykar Kizilelma, which has a certain degree of stealth, and also seems to be adapted for the types of air combat that are usually carried out by manned fighters.


Baykar Kizilelma

Bottom line. Thanks to the Swedish experimental drone Highly Advanced Research Configuration (SHARC), as well as participation in the French Dassault nEUROn, SAAB has already accumulated significant experience in the development of stealth unmanned aerial vehicles.


Highly Advanced Research Configuration

The fact that the company has been considering for several years the possibility of combining real high-end performance with speed and stealth, potentially opening the way to a new type of wingman UAVs, will sooner or later bear fruit in the form of a new class of combat aircraft - "loyal wingmen", UAVs with large possibilities.


And such a dialogue in the Swedish combat information network between a pilot and a UAV with the call sign “Asmund” is quite possible in the near future.
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  1. -4
    18 February 2024 05: 36
    the only advantage of huge, expensive C70-type drones is that they are drones.
    1. +4
      18 February 2024 05: 59
      The price was not announced until...
      But according to the article, the most important thing is that manned aircraft are still the basis of military aviation.
    2. 0
      18 February 2024 13: 22
      the only advantage of huge, expensive S70-type drones is that they are drones
      How impressionable you are, you read the article and fell for it. The S-70 is a long-range bomber, it has a range like the Tu-22 and the load is not small
      1. +1
        18 February 2024 18: 44
        Quote: mark1
        the only advantage of huge, expensive S70-type drones is that they are drones
        How impressionable you are, you read the article and fell for it. The S-70 is a long-range bomber, it has a range like the Tu-22 and the load is not small

        Write already strategic.
        Strategic bomber S-70...
        New York will be bombed.
        Unnoticed.
        Threat.
        Where do such illiterate science fiction writers come from?
        And you defecate in your own belligerent ignorance...
        Be proud of it...
  2. 0
    18 February 2024 05: 38
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    The plane that will control the UAV must still be in the air
    So such an aircraft already exists. The pairing of the Su-57 with the S-70 “Okhotnik” drone, if you believe the news, seems to have already been tested at the Northern Military District
  3. +10
    18 February 2024 05: 57
    The author is not entirely on topic. The S70 was never deployed “in addition to the Su57.” They just made it, now they are thinking about which hole to plug. In an enemy environment with air defense, a low-maneuverable large target is unprofitable. Most likely they will keep it as a technology demonstrator. Again, for the future Pak Yes, we need to hone our competencies
    1. +5
      18 February 2024 07: 28
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      They just made it, now they are thinking about which hole to plug.

      “It’s not hard work, but your thoughts that determine your income.”
    2. -3
      18 February 2024 08: 36
      You are not in the subject C70 has already flown in a twin Su 57 SaaB blank is lying there and it is not clear what it will fly with in which twin maybe in 20 years, but in fact in Russia there are already huge advantages, it is being tested from this concept, you can create something new something in SAAB is only essentially a blank in a pipe from this already in the west it’s huge, so to understand
      1. 0
        18 February 2024 11: 14
        Quote: Ig sura
        You are not in the subject C70 has already flown in a twin Su 57 SaaB blank is lying there and it is not clear what it will fly with in which twin maybe in 20 years, but in fact in Russia there are already huge advantages, it is being tested from this concept, you can create something new something in SAAB is only essentially a blank in a pipe from this already in the west it’s huge, so to understand

        He was not flying under certificate.
        The S70 was flying under ground control, and the Su-57 was flying next to it.
        This is how it was in reality...
        1. 0
          20 February 2024 01: 11
          Aha, then the T-50-3 has already received optical sensors and additional equipment for communication channels as part of the program since 2019. Where do you come from so ignorant?
    3. +1
      18 February 2024 15: 51
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      In an enemy environment with air defense, a low-maneuverable large target is unprofitable.

      It is precisely against an enemy with air defense that such UAVs are relevant. And cost-effective. Loitering at a distance of his own invisibility for enemy radars and having PRLR in the weapons compartments, he calmly waits for the raid of our missile defense systems, one or more of which are at a higher altitude, with a corner reflector (or lens) as a bait-provocateur, posing as a larger one target . Enemy radar, incl. PC radar or radar radar of enemy air defense systems for interception. This is where the “Hunter” works on these radars, and maybe on all of them at once - both surveillance/duty radars and radars.
      The second purpose of the "Hunter" equipped with RVV SD and BD can/should be enemy AWACS aircraft, as well as all types of their reconnaissance and anti-submarine aircraft.
      The third purpose of the "Hunter" as part of the MA can be reconnaissance of surface, air (if it is equipped with DM range AFAR canvases in the leading edges of the wing) and possibly underwater targets (if it is possible to place on board a search lidar capable of detecting targets at a depth of up to 300 m.) . And if detected, strike them.
      It’s difficult to say now what the capacity of the weapons compartments of the “Hunter” is, but if Mig’s “Scat” took two X-35s and two X-31s at the same time, then the “Hunter” definitely has no less. Two X-31s at the ship’s antenna posts and two X-35s on its side, if they don’t sink any ship, they will definitely put it out of action in the most thorough manner. And if instead of the X-35 there are two X-50s in the anti-ship missile version, then both the destroyer and the cruiser are guaranteed to sink. The X-31s will arrive at the target first (they are supersonic) and will demolish the radar antenna posts and destroy the superstructures, and when the X-35 or X-50 approach, the ship will hardly have anything to fight back with. And these are the capabilities of just one UAV, of which there will probably be... several in such a raid. Especially for a group of ships.
    4. 0
      20 February 2024 01: 03
      Technology demonstrator preparing for mass production?))
  4. +3
    18 February 2024 07: 40
    Compare the shapes of airplanes. Our Su-75 “Checkmate” and the Swedish concept
  5. 0
    18 February 2024 08: 26
    Here is the C70, a huge bandura, and SAAB comes out with a huge bandura in the form of a model, so to understand this, or is it something else from the writer, or maybe the C70 has the same concept, only the concept of the C70 flies and even possibly participated in combat operations, but here the concept is not clear in SAAB, but it’s Western-made Maybe it’s enough to disparage the merits of the C70, but based on the results obtained, you can improve it or do something new, but SAAB is essentially a blank, but this is a Western blank, these are the reasonings of this journalist
    1. 0
      20 February 2024 01: 14
      There is no point in comparing them. But with the Grom UAV from Kronstadt it’s quite
  6. +2
    18 February 2024 09: 11
    For the Faithful Follower to actually become a Faithful Follower, he needs AI. And quite advanced. This is still very far away. But the “long arm” with AI elements and external control is quite an option.
    There is enough work in the sky for such technology. The main thing is that the device suits its purpose.
    For example, use it as a bait target to open enemy air defense positions. The leader is on duty without entering the air defense zone. The wingman is looking for the enemy's complexes. Or finds ones that don't work. Or he provokes the workers. The leader destroys them with air surface missiles.
    And on the wing itself, the main weapon is self-defense missiles. Near radius. To fight off enemy weapons.
    Is the matter in the SVO necessary? Definitely yes? Is Hunter suitable for this task? Not ideal but suitable. Will several such pairs be able to ensure the operation of aviation near enemy rear areas??? Will be able.
    1. +1
      18 February 2024 11: 18
      Quote: garri-lin
      For the Faithful Follower to actually become a Faithful Follower, he needs AI. And quite advanced. This is still very far away. But the “long arm” with AI elements and external control is quite an option.
      There is enough work in the sky for such technology. The main thing is that the device suits its purpose.
      For example, use it as a bait target to open enemy air defense positions. The leader is on duty without entering the air defense zone. The wingman is looking for the enemy's complexes. Or finds ones that don't work. Or he provokes the workers. The leader destroys them with air surface missiles.
      And on the wing itself, the main weapon is self-defense missiles. Near radius. To fight off enemy weapons.
      Is the matter in the SVO necessary? Definitely yes? Is Hunter suitable for this task? Not ideal but suitable. Will several such pairs be able to ensure the operation of aviation near enemy rear areas??? Will be able.

      For the decoy target, very low-cost systems such as MALD are used, simulating various types of aircraft and having RTR means, with information transmitted to the command post
      Using a Hunter with a serial cost of 60% of the cost of a serial fighter for these is crazy..
      1. -1
        18 February 2024 13: 26
        So I’m talking about what fits but is not ideal. I would like it to be a full-fledged AI and work like a full-fledged fighter. But for immediate problems, it was necessary to use a less complex technique.
        1. -1
          18 February 2024 13: 30
          Quote: garri-lin
          So I’m talking about what fits but is not ideal. I would like it to be a full-fledged AI and work like a full-fledged fighter. But for immediate problems, it was necessary to use a less complex technique.

          In order for it to be at least some kind of inferior, crummy fighter, it had to be designed according to a completely different scheme.
          This one can only become an unmanned tanker. All.
          There is no other use for it.
          1. -1
            18 February 2024 17: 43
            Drummer. Front bomber.
            And a scout.
            1. -1
              18 February 2024 18: 48
              Quote: garri-lin
              Drummer. Front bomber.
              And a scout.

              And all this in the current conditions is simply zero.
              Have you heard a lot over the past year about attack helicopter raids?
              Did the planes destroy anything deep behind enemy lines?
              Now not a single plane or helicopter goes beyond the ribbon. At all.
              Forget about front-line bombers, drummers, and especially reconnaissance aircraft.
              We need to look at reality.
              1. osp
                +1
                18 February 2024 19: 08
                That is, we can safely say that the time of such aircraft as the Su-25, Su-24 and Su-34 is finally passing?
                The latter is already too heavy a large front-line bomber. With high radar signature.
                For more than 30 years, no country has purchased the SU-34.
                It turns out that it’s just a big and heavy dinosaur with very poor vision for air targets?
                1. -1
                  18 February 2024 19: 49
                  Quote from osp
                  That is, we can safely say that the time of such aircraft as the Su-25, Su-24 and Su-34 is finally passing?
                  The latter is already too heavy a large front-line bomber. With high radar signature.
                  For more than 30 years, no country has purchased the SU-34.
                  It turns out that it’s just a big and heavy dinosaur with very poor vision for air targets?

                  I think so.
                  The time of front-line aviation, according to the patterns of the 1920-1980s, has completely ceased when considering the level of intelligence above Swaziland.
                  The development of communications and communications allows developed countries to predict in advance or accurately determine the time of departure of aircraft from airfields.
                  The number of MANPADS is already huge everywhere.
                  The dispersion of troops is such that one sortie can usually destroy no more than 5-10 enemy troops. And then using a pair of 500-current.
                  The sorties of modern front-line aviation are the departure of a pair of aircraft to one target.
                  A total of 4 bombs (2 on the suspension of each plane; if you don’t believe me, see the chronicle of both ours, starting from Syria, and the enemy’s, starting from Iraq). So why do we need aircraft with 12 hardpoints if a combat mission does not imply more than 1 target in modern tactics?
                  Any modern attack aircraft or cybersecurity aircraft, in any case, will cost about 80-100 million dollars. Well, these are the prices now.
                  And what kind of budget will support such expenses to build 500 aircraft, train 500 pilots, maintain airfields, aircraft, spare parts...
                  And if you do it cheaper, it means reducing the quality of the aircraft several times over.
                  Doesn’t install radar, don’t install OLS, don’t install complex fire control systems, don’t make it network-centric, don’t teach target designation aircraft to other branches of the military, don’t make the aircraft’s defense complete.
                  A cheap plane is a bad plane!
                  And so in everything
                  1. osp
                    -1
                    19 February 2024 01: 11
                    Here's another example with the Su-34.
                    One of its main weapons is anti-radar missiles.
                    But how many Western air defense systems was this aircraft able to destroy with their help?
                    As far as I know, zero. No one.
                    Moreover, the losses of the Su-34 from the Patriots alone amount to at least 4-5 vehicles.
                    In all cases, anti-aircraft missiles arrived as if from nowhere; the L-150 “Pastel” did not warn the crew either about exposure, or about the launch, or about the hijacking of their aircraft.
                    Perhaps in some cases there was a MIM-104 missile with a passive head designed to destroy radio-contrast targets.
                    It can fly to operating electronic warfare stations or operating radar.
                    Probably the A-50 over the Sea of ​​Azov became a victim of such an attack.
                    But last Saturday, a Su-35S was lost in the Donbass while trying to find the Patriot.
                    And again under similar circumstances.
                    If our fighter was hit while in radio silence mode, then we discard the option with a passive missile defense system and only one option remains - active missile defense + LPI mode.
                    Surely the latest modifications of PAC-3 and Nasams include this mode.
                    What conclusion?
                    It turns out that the combination of Kh-31 + Su-34, “Okhotnik” + Kh-31 and Su-35S + Kh-31 are completely useless things against modern Western air defense systems?
                    Will they themselves become prey to "Patriot"?
                    But the Su-34 simply has no other tasks - the sighting system is hopelessly outdated, being 35 years old.
                    Its entire range of weapons can be carried by the Su-27SM3 or Su-35S while remaining, after all, fighters.
              2. -2
                19 February 2024 00: 46
                Work from your territory along the enemy's front.
              3. 0
                20 February 2024 01: 19
                Both the Su-25 and Ka-52 are still actively continuing to operate in the NWO zone. Footage of flights and bunk firing is published regularly. Even Su-34s with UMPC still enter the affected area.
          2. -1
            18 February 2024 18: 33
            That is, you admit in your own words that according to the flying wing design, it is only suitable for a tanker. That is, those countries that make such a layout are wrong! Well then, I congratulate you, you are the smartest person. Since many countries are relying on long-range UAVs according to this scheme, they turned out to be stupid sheep ..
            In general, they believe that there should be a wide range of UAVs and UAVs for different tasks.
            1. -1
              18 February 2024 18: 54
              Quote: Edward Egorov
              That is, you admit in your own words that according to the flying wing design, it is only suitable for a tanker. That is, those countries that make such a layout are wrong! Well then, I congratulate you, you are the smartest person. Since many countries are relying on long-range UAVs according to this scheme, they turned out to be stupid sheep ..
              In general, they believe that there should be a wide range of UAVs and UAVs for different tasks.

              Can you tell us the history of such aircraft of the latest generations?
              It is a UAV of this size...
              And knowing how the communication system is now in the Russian Federation, do we have high-performance satellite communication channels with aircraft and APs...
              Do you know?
              So now tell us what use you can find for the S-70, other than as a tanker?
              Moreover, the gas station is very good.
              Some kind of future in the complete absence of IL-78.

              And yes, a long-range UAV will only be used in a long-range reconnaissance system.
              There will be no more drummers.
              The war in Ukraine showed this to everyone.
              Example: Bayrak Ara, which destroyed Armenia and Karabakh, which destroyed us for almost six months, is now completely nullified.
              He stopped being a drummer.
              At best, a small reconnaissance officer, only thanks to the chic optics that can shoot over 50 km...
  7. +3
    18 February 2024 11: 58
    The plane that will control the UAV must still be in the air. The operator on the ground will not be able to properly control the situation, this has already been proven.


    I doubt that an aircraft pilot who has enough tasks to do will be more effective at controlling a UAV than an operator in a control center.

    The refusal to develop a sixth-generation aircraft in favor of a UAV seems very reasonable. UAVs are cheaper to manufacture and operate, and their losses are more acceptable.
    And in the unlikely scenario of a major war with the destruction of satellites and limited use of nuclear weapons, the capabilities of 5th and 6th generation aircraft will be noticeably reduced and will approach the 4th generation.
  8. -1
    18 February 2024 14: 00
    I have not the slightest doubt about the imminent appearance of “faithful wingmen.” Reasons:
    - AI is developing before our eyes. At the same time, surprisingly, the task for the drone is “do as I do!” (that is, the slave) looks an order of magnitude simpler than for the autopilot of a car to get to its destination, following the rules and reacting to the actions of neighbors downstream. The subtask “return to base autonomously” has long been solved in Mavics.
    - reverse scaling of an aircraft, from a flying fighter to a smaller-sized drone, also looks quite simple, given that the development of classic aircraft is done on scale models, that is, all the data for a reduced-sized airframe should already be available

    Everything is relative, of course, even “an order of magnitude simpler”, in relation to the budgets of a new fighter - still a lot of money, but still, still, still... Moreover, the price of risk is initially lower, the loss of a drone for any reason, not only is it not critical, but is implied as a component of the cost of hitting the target.

    On the contrary, I would doubt the analogy with the “leader” of a manned aircraft in such a combination, because his task is to target the “follower” without exposing himself to risk. So-so presenter, right? wink
  9. -2
    18 February 2024 19: 56
    Whatever one may say, our “Okhotnik” concept is better suited for a MiG-31 with two pilots, or any twin.
    The second one will be busy communicating with the drone.
  10. 0
    19 February 2024 11: 28
    Apparently, it was originally designed for high speed, supersonic flight
    - no, with such air intakes you can’t fly supersonic.
    at least one other European combat drone claims supersonic performance (or at least will approach it in later versions)
    - Yeah, right now.
    Clearly Skomorokhov did not write this. It looks more like an opus of a gifted young genius.
  11. 0
    25 February 2024 14: 48
    "The Swedish fighter-to-fighter data link was already deployed back in the early 1980s on SAAB Viggen." When did the Mig-31 fly there? In 1981?