Tu-324: takeoff attempt No. 2

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Tu-324: takeoff attempt No. 2
A full-size wooden model of the Tu-324 aircraft in one of the Moscow Tupolev workshops. Source: uacrussia.ru


Business jet made in Russia


In Moscow, in one of the workshops of Tupolev PJSC, a full-size wooden model of the Tu-324 aircraft is still stored. More than twenty years have passed since the construction of this aircraft, and it is time to forget about it. But the sanctions story modern Russia forces us to collect from scraps the remnants of former luxury.



After a couple of Il-96-400M and Tu-214, which at least managed to get into the air, it was the turn of the regional kids. First of all, we are talking about Tu-324 aircraft, direct successors to the once popular Yak-40/42. The intrigue is that Tupolev PJSC has a very indirect relationship to the possible revival of aircraft production.


A full-size wooden model of the Tu-324 aircraft in one of the Moscow Tupolev workshops. Source: uacrussia.ru

It’s worth starting with the idea of ​​realizing the need to build the first domestic business jet, which came to aircraft manufacturers at the very beginning of the 90s. At that time, the term “business jet” hardly existed in Soviet terminology, so it would be more accurate to call the car an administrative aircraft. The first-born was the uniform baby Tu-20, capable of taking on board, depending on the version, up to 19 passengers.

The luxury model comfortably accommodated eight high-ranking passengers, while the business version accommodated three more. A special feature of the design is a pair of turboprop engines on pylons in the tail. This arrangement has undeniable advantages - first of all, low noise levels during flight for passengers.

In addition, the Tupolevs turned the engines backwards, turning them into pushers. Thus, further reducing the considerable sound pressure from the propellers on the sensitive ears of high-ranking and wealthy passengers. The advantages of the design with engines in the tail also include the relatively low landing gear of the aircraft - there is no need to choose the height of the engine nacelles suspended under the wings. The vast majority of business jets are built with engines in the tail.

In addition to a noticeable reduction in noise during flight, the layout allows the use of onboard passenger stairs. But tail engines also have a couple of fundamental disadvantages.

The first is that it is not easy for ground services to maintain high-mounted engines. If on short-haul airliners this is more or less offset by the small height of the aircraft itself, then on large aircraft it becomes a critical drawback.

Let's fast forward a few years and look at the Tu-334, being developed to counter the SSJ-100 from the Sukhoi Design Bureau. One of the reasons why a good medium-haul airliner lost the competition to Sukhoi was the high-mounted engines on the tail. Not all airport services were able to service such equipment.

The second important disadvantage of the design with motors on the tail boom is the specific weight distribution, which changes significantly as fuel is used up. Simply put, the plane lands and handles very differently with full and empty tanks. And this means specific retraining of crews. It is hardly possible to call this feature critical - somehow pilots fly on Embraer and Bombardier. This means that we would fly on the Tu-20, as well as on other “tail-engined” airliners.


The Tu-20 project gradually evolved into the Tu-1990 and Tu-400x4 in the 4s. Fundamentally, nothing changed in the pair; they were the same “low-wing aircraft with a slightly swept wing with two engines located on the sides of the rear fuselage.” Only turboprop engines were replaced with noticeably faster turbojet engines, and on paper the products could accelerate to a cruising speed of 800 km/h.

The Tu-400 was intended for ten passengers, and the Tu-4x4 was intended for only 4–7 VIP clients.

Even at the stage of mock-up design, it became clear that such specific aircraft in young Russia, even if they were in demand, would be in only a few units. Rich people were present in those days, but there were very few such people.

To replace the Yak-40 and An-26


After evaluating the Tu-20, Tu-400 and Tu-4x4 projects, it was decided to build a 50-seat aircraft for regional airlines. This is how the Tu-324 appeared, designed to replace the Yak-40 and An-26 at the turn of the XNUMXth and XNUMXst centuries.

By the end of the 1990s, the total number of aircraft of both brands in the Russian aircraft fleet was approaching a thousand. Most of them were supposed to go to waste by the end of the 2010s. Everything, as they say now, came together “in a herringbone pattern” - the larger Tu-324 was engaged in regional transportation, and the shortened version with the letter “A” was equipped with a business class cabin.

A further development was the Tu-414, extended by six meters relative to the 324th car and accommodating up to 76 passengers. Ukrainian engineers from the Zaporozhye MKB Progress and JSC Motor Sich were responsible for the engines. They designed the AI-22 product with a thrust of 3 kgf and were waiting for a large series of Tu-820.

Here it is necessary to make a digression and talk about the origin of the airliner.

The fact is that the Tu-324 aircraft is an independent project of the Republic of Tatarstan. In the best sense of the word, of course. To the credit of local managers, in the dashing 90s they were able to maintain the lion's share of the military-industrial complex's capacity. At the same time, state defense orders consistently decreased. For example, since 1993, the Kazan Aircraft Plant stopped receiving orders from the Russian Ministry of Defense altogether. Something had to be done urgently, otherwise the unique production could die.


Tu-324 as presented by graphic designers

This is how the Tu-324 project appeared, for which the center did not have money. Private investors also refused to pay; in those days, long-term programs were not financed at all.

Mintimer Shaimiev managed to convince the Moscow leadership to transfer part of the oil revenues from the Tatarstan raw material pipeline to the development of the Tu-324. Only they managed to find only 100 million dollars out of the three hundred required. With this money, three experimental AI-22s were built in Zaporozhye, and in Kazan they thoroughly rebuilt production lines and developed a lot of new components and assemblies. In Zhukovsky they created unique avionics, which later found application in the Be-200 amphibian.

In the magazine "Aviation and Cosmonautics" at the beginning of 2000 did not skimp on praise about the car:

“The Tu-324 was the first Tupolev aircraft on which a partially electronic mock-up was created, providing an error-free linkage of airframe elements, power plant, aircraft systems and equipment. The passenger cabin of the aircraft is made taking into account modern requirements for comfort.

The design of the seats was developed with the help of the Italian company Testori; their pitch in the tourist class cabin is 810 mm, while the best analogues have only 787 mm, the central aisle is 100 mm wider, and the cabin ceiling is 50 mm higher. All this gives passengers a new level of comfort, previously unavailable on regional aircraft.”

However, the Tu-324 was never even developed into a technology demonstrator, let alone a flying prototype. Evil tongues say that the reason was Superjet, which was competing with an airliner of similar capacity and flight range.

At the beginning of 2024, they once again started talking about reviving the Tu-324 project. The ideological inspirer, apparently, is the head of the Republic of Tatarstan, Rustam Minnikhanov. Only the approach to the matter is surprising.

The fact is that the Aurus project is slowly being promoted in the local Yelabuga. After the start of the special operation, they hastened to bury him, but the import-substituted assembly did not stop completely. The cars have risen in price to 40–45 million per copy, but have not lost their customer base. The brand's management plans to create a whole line of luxury vehicles, ranging from limousines with SUVs to helicopters and airplanes.

This appears to be the first time this concept has been used in the world. In 2019, the representative Ansat Aurus was presented to the public, which, however, never went into production. These are, to put it mildly, not times for luxury helicopters. But for a business jet, the Tu-324, according to the leadership of Tatarstan, is just right. At the same time, in recent history there is already a precedent for unsuccessful experiences with domestic luxury aircraft. We are talking about the 2021 Aurus Business Jet based on the SSJ-100. The liner turned out to be of no use to anyone.

It is interesting that Gazprom was involved in the development of the Tu-324 - in the future, the top managers of the office should become the main users of the business jet. The company is ready to create a special unit designed to build a production aircraft based on the developments of twenty years ago.


Layout of Tu-324

In the situation with the revival of the Tu-324, everything is beautiful. The car was not included in the state program for the revival of the aviation industry until 2030, and enthusiasts decided to raise the project on their own. Gazprom even decided to experiment with an independent design bureau.

Only questions remain.

The first is where to get the AI-22 aircraft engine?

In metal, the Ukrainians completed only three prototypes, and it is not a fact that they are still intact. It is unlikely that it will be possible to replace it with the PD-8 - it has almost twice as much thrust. It is known that if an airplane does not have an engine, then the airplane itself does not exist.

The second question is that the Tu-324 aircraft is too crude even for a promising prototype, not to mention flying models. The fuselage, apparently, can only be touched in the form of a wooden model in the Moscow workshop of Tupolev PJSC.

Therefore, there is more than enough healthy skepticism here. It’s time to stop indulging yourself with unrealistic dreams and creating high-profile occasions out of nowhere.

It's time to work - in the second year of the special operation, the Russian civilian fleet was replenished with a few aircraft. What were your plans?
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  1. -1
    17 February 2024 04: 31
    It's time to work - in the second year of the special operation, the Russian civilian fleet was replenished with a few aircraft. What were your plans?

    I don't know, but everything is bad..
    1. +18
      17 February 2024 10: 29
      This wooden model is a symbol of more than 33 years of Russian oligarchic-liberal rule.
      But in 2000, our airlines had more than 80% of completely domestic aircraft, the Tu-204, Il-96 were produced, the Tu-334 took off, it was possible to move the production of the Il-114 from Tashkent, money flowed like a river from the rise in income from oil at times, but...... Personnel decide everything and therefore, after 24 years of our aircraft on airlines, or at least more than 20% of our 0%.
      1. +12
        17 February 2024 12: 54
        This was the victory of the West over Russia at the hands of those whom they nurtured, but the most interesting thing is that they (the oligarchs and rulers) did not have anything for it (the same Chubais) and they live and live to this day without even fearing anything, although everyone understands everything...
        Now for the article. Well, for example this:
        The airliner lost the competition to Sukhoi, and the engines began to be mounted high on the tail. Not all airport services were able to service such equipment.
        Have our airports never served Tu 134, 154, Yak-40, 42? The only explanation is that once again the eyes are on supplies abroad, but when will these eyes turn to domestic consumption? Who will buy a non-flying aircraft?
        1. +6
          18 February 2024 07: 08
          This was the victory of the West over Russia at the hands of those they nurtured
          Well, we “fed and educated” ourselves, and although the West was surprised, it pretended that it went to the meeting and then even pretended that it was its merit, the oligarchic elite was there in the USSR and under the tsar...
        2. +5
          18 February 2024 17: 01
          Quote: NIKNN
          Who will buy a non-flying aircraft?

          It seems that the answer to this question is given in the article - Gazprom. Which is going to not only purchase them, and even not only produce them, but also develop them (based on an existing project). What if oil workers, represented by their top managers, also join the process? What if there are other raw materials and energy producers? And then the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Emergency Situations and other power structures?
          Their "Embrayers" and "Bombardiers" will soon fall down without spare parts and quality repairs, but what are they supposed to fly on? That's why they remembered the forgotten project of Tatarstan.
          And obviously not wanting to get involved with the multi-machine Ministry of Industry and Trade with its head, Obeshchalkin, Gazprom simply decided to take advantage of the Tatar experience of direct financing and management of development and production. And the Tatars will be happy from the revival of the project.
          What about engines? Where can I get AI-22?
          And here everything is surprisingly simple - in Russia the AI-222 has been duplicated in production for the Yak-130, and now its more powerful version for the Yak-130M is being prepared for production. And making an AI-222 based on the AI-22, adding a traction fan to it to increase the bypass ratio, will not be difficult. We wrote the hot part for the PD-8 in a short time, but here only the cold part needs to be added. So while the project is being finalized, the airframe is being tested for strength and the production line is being prepared, the engine will be ready. Moreover, the customer will not be the Ministry of Industry and Trade with its murky schemes and personalities, but the leadership of Gazprom, which will ask not just strictly for its money and terms... but very strictly. They need these planes FOR THEMSELVES (!!!).
          There simply WILL BE NO MORE other aircraft for Russia. You will have to do everything yourself. And Gazprom not only understood this, but began to do it itself. Without regard to the Ministry of Industry and Trade and its UAC.
          The top leaders of the Russian Federation need to fly.
          And they love to fly in comfort and in reliable cars.
          And these planes will appear, and foreign customers will catch up. And our regional lines will pay attention.
          When our tops do it for themselves (like Aurus), they do it well.
          1. +1
            18 February 2024 21: 23
            The top leaders of the Russian Federation need to fly.
            And they love to fly in comfort and in reliable cars.

            When our tops do it for themselves (like Aurus), they do it well.

            The worst thing is that you are absolutely right! Our authorities have not spared money on themselves for their loved ones for 34 years, and especially for the last 24 years. The authorities are mired in luxury on which they throw away money that was taken away, among other things, from the army and navy.
            1. 0
              19 February 2024 13: 00
              Quote: ramzay21
              The authorities are mired in luxury on which they throw away money that was taken away, among other things, from the army and navy.

              So this is why they killed the USSR - for the sake of their loved ones. And that’s why they’ve had “Dreams Come True” for 33 years, and the country is almost completely deindustrialized. This is where to get bearings for all this aircraft (and simply for all the equipment produced in Russia)?? Regular (and not so ordinary) bearings!!
              But they made "Aurus". And how it happened - the sheikhs are buying.
              And this plane will also carry the Aurus brand. It will be developed at the Aurus Design Bureau from Gazprom (which is our National Heritage). And Gazprom is responsible for this. It turns out Putin ordered. There is no hope for the Ministry of Industry and Trade.
          2. 0
            20 March 2024 15: 17
            And then there is Gazpromavia! They could also use new cars for their park.
      2. +9
        17 February 2024 19: 38
        I would like to complement and dwell on the lodge of the author of the article.
        Let's fast forward a few years and look at the Tu-334, being developed to counter the SSJ-100 from the Sukhoi Design Bureau. One of the reasons why a good medium-haul airliner lost the competition to Sukhoi was the high-mounted engines on the tail.

        When the Tu-204 and Tu-334 were flying, the “liberoid” SSJ-100 from the Sukhoi Design Bureau was not yet in the project. Khristenko, Poghosyan and their company killed the domestic aircraft industry. The first did not fulfill the government’s instructions to expand production of the Tu-214 and .. lives peacefully near Moscow instead of being in prison... The second built, or rather, assembled the SSJ-100 from imported parts for cutting the budget from the Sukhoi Design Bureau and killed hundreds of domestic factories subcontractors and...now teaches how to trade the Motherland to students at the Moscow Aviation Institute. This institute does not teach and, for many years, graduates second-rate specialists without knowledge...
        1. +7
          17 February 2024 20: 28
          When the Tu-204 and Tu-334 were flying, the “liberoid” SSJ-100 from the Sukhoi Design Bureau was not yet in the project. Khristenko, Poghosyan and their company killed the domestic aircraft industry.

          Absolutely agree with you! And it is precisely because of the killed subcontractors that it will not be possible to launch the production of import-substituted MS-21 and Superjet as well as Tu-214. Yes, there are some movements and it’s better than nothing, but.....effective ones take time. They are sure that sooner or later the SVO will end with an agreement and the lifting of sanctions, and everything will return. They will start flying Boeings and Airbuses again and the supply of components for Superjets and MC-21 will be restored, and then they will tell the losers that our planes have started to fly, although there will be a maximum of 30 percent of us there.
          And the worst thing is that people will once again believe them, just as they believe that a Chinese car with the inscription Moskvich is actually our Moskvich.
          1. +3
            17 February 2024 21: 38
            We won't believe it. There is hope that military factories can be connected. After all, we produce Su and Tu-160 aircraft. This is the military version of the necessary equipment. To expand production and in 3, maximum 5 years we can make and test systems for civil aircraft... If there is a desire.
            1. man
              +1
              18 February 2024 00: 02
              We won't believe it.
              God forbid! I hope your confidence is based on facts hi
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            3. 0
              23 February 2024 16: 13
              It is better to remain intelligently silent than to speak stupidly. Moreover, the idea of ​​MAP and Gazprom is at the level of a baseboard in a toilet!
          2. man
            +3
            17 February 2024 23: 56
            They are sure that sooner or later the SVO will end with an agreement and the lifting of sanctions, and everything will return. They will start flying Boeings and Airbuses again and the supply of components for Superjets and MC-21 will be restored, and then they will tell the losers that our planes have started to fly, although there will be a maximum of 30 percent of us there.
            And again we will become dependent on the Western gang! Don’t they understand that at any moment they can throw you in again! In our territory, our own planes are not a luxury, but a vital necessity!!! Well, life teaches nothing....!
            1. +1
              18 February 2024 21: 07
              And again we will become dependent on the Western gang! Don’t they understand that at any moment they can throw you in again! In our territory, our own planes are not a luxury, but a vital necessity!!! Well, life teaches nothing....!

              And who is there to understand? There are specific people there, they are convinced Westerners and they don’t need our aviation industry. Suffice it to recall how Medvedev and others destroyed the aviation industry or how, even after 2014, officials of the Government of the Russian Federation sabotaged the revival of the aviation industry by abandoning the Il-96-400M.
              It is probably still possible to revive the aviation industry, albeit with great difficulty and with the injection of a lot of money, but the oligarchic authorities will not allow this to be done because for this it is necessary to nationalize many industries and enterprises and the oligarchs are against it, and besides, we need other people in the leadership of the country, we need Tupolevs and Ilyushins and not Manturovs and Chubais, and we need Stalin and not Putin.
              1. man
                0
                19 February 2024 00: 28
                And who is there to understand? There are specific people there, they are convinced Westerners and they don’t need our aviation industry.
                Well, not all of them are like that, otherwise the SVO would not have started. You don’t think that Putin conceived it alone.
                1. +2
                  20 February 2024 10: 10
                  It was conceived because in all directions they received a turn from the gate; Russia was nowhere considered an equal. And with a little blood, a dashing raid to show that we must be taken into account, and that’s how it is, and now we need to return our production with a creak, there’s no other way, the Anglo-Saxons are hooked and this is for a long time, our people are used to it, but those in power need more without foie gras and can’t go abroad , this is the problem: they will crap and slow down and compromise with the West, pumping resources overseas.
            2. +1
              20 March 2024 15: 25
              Who are you talking about? About those in power? From the very top to the last municipality, the bureaucrats dream of how they will again be able to fly to Courchevel and the Bahamas, buy real estate in London and Spain. Now they are all in the United and all are patriots, but they secretly pray for a return to their former life. Opportunists and parasites on the body of the Motherland.
              1. man
                0
                21 March 2024 04: 04
                Quote: Maverick1812
                Who are you talking about? About those in power? From the very top to the last municipality, the bureaucrats dream of how they will again be able to fly to Courchevel and the Bahamas, buy real estate in London and Spain. Now they are all in the United and all are patriots, but they secretly pray for a return to their former life. Opportunists and parasites on the body of the Motherland.

                I think that there are two types of officials in power. One is really the one you are talking about. But there is a second one, which is more realistic. Otherwise, nothing would simply change.
          3. KCA
            +1
            18 February 2024 11: 11
            And our VAZ-2101 is almost a FIAT 124, well, not quite, and the Polish Fiats were completely F124
            1. +2
              18 February 2024 21: 17
              And our VAZ-2101 is almost a FIAT 124, well, not quite, and the Polish Fiats were completely F124

              That is, you really don’t understand the difference between COMPLETE localization of production and STICKING nameplates onto an imported car?
              Do you know that the Fiat 124 could not withstand our conditions and in the process of turning into a VAZ-2101, it essentially turned out to be a new car? Do you know how many new cars AvtoVAZ has designed and that the Niva developed by AvtoVAZ is essentially the world's first crossover?
              All components of the VAZ-2101, from bolts to engines, were made in the USSR, but what are they doing in Russia for the Moskvich, even if the Moskvich nameplates are made in China?
              1. +3
                19 February 2024 18: 31
                To be fair: the components of the VAZ-2101 were, if not made in the USSR, then at least made by the CMEA: lighting equipment, for example, an instrument cluster... But at that time it was almost domestically produced - in the event of sanctions, no one would have fled into the bushes.
                1. KCA
                  0
                  20 February 2024 09: 25
                  So yes, the optics were Czech, and much more
        2. 0
          25 February 2024 04: 52
          334 did not fly only at air shows because it was not an airplane but a cigarette butt, there was no superjet, but there was an 148, which appeared later than 334, but it also found buyers and manufacturers without state support.
      3. 0
        23 March 2024 21: 18
        After reading the article, I thought - what is it about? And now I understand -
        [quote=ramzay21 This wooden model is a symbol of more than 33 years of oligarchic-liberal rule in Russia.[/quote]
  2. +8
    17 February 2024 04: 48
    A smart project to pump money out of the state budget. Russia has neither the competence nor the engines to carry 19 passengers for 15 hours without landing. The authors of other projects to pump out the budget - the Yak40 with a composite wing and a supersonic business jet - are quietly smoking on the sidelines.
    On a positive note, another exhibit will be added to VDNKh
    1. +9
      17 February 2024 12: 56
      Yes it is. A gang of people gathered to wash money. There are no engines at all! No one needs dimensions! Even those who are not very interested in aviation, it is obvious that they have simply become extremely obnoxious. Ladoga in this size is already being prepared for testing, the flight hour there and the cost of board will be 2 times cheaper. There are engines and customers. I wish I could find out by name who is driving this 324...
      1. +2
        18 February 2024 19: 01
        Quote: Glagol1
        I wish I could find out by name who is driving this 324...

        This is Gazprom-Miller and its tops. They need this plane for themselves.
        Quote: Glagol1
        A gang of people gathered to wash money.

        In fact, Gazprom intends to finance all work on the project independently. Over time, maybe Rosneft will catch up. This is not a state program for the development of aviation, but a conditionally private initiative of a large company. Their imported jets will soon fall down, they need it for THEMSELVES. Like "Aurus" - just a working vehicle for the top guys.
        Quote: Glagol1
        There are no engines at all!

        But why not, when exactly the AI-222 is mass-produced in Russia for the Yak-130. All you have to do is screw on the traction fan and cover it with the hood. There is plenty of power there, so we boldly lower the temperature on the blades and sharply increase the resource. Yes, and the UEC will help with such an order. Otherwise, they had just started producing engines, and the domestic market had already ended. If a light attack aircraft is not made from the Yak-130M and external customers do not step up, the line will stand idle... And here is such a gift of fate from Gazprom.
        Quote: Glagol1
        No one needs dimensions!

        This is for the population. And our top management likes it with... maximum comfort. And then you see it will work for regional lines too.
        Quote: Glagol1
        Ladoga in this size is already being prepared for testing, the flight hour there and the cost of board will be 2 times cheaper.

        Our tops will not fit on the Ladoga - the comfort is not the same, the propellers are noisy, and the speed is not at all the same. They do it for THEMSELVES. At the same time, it is reasonable that this project was not included in the state program for the development of the domestic aircraft industry. The Ministry of Industry and Trade is going completely sideways here, except perhaps through some kind of connection with subcontractors/cooperation. This is a purely corporate project.
        And that is why there is approximately 95-97% confidence in its success. This is not “cutting the budget”, Gazprom will ask very strictly for its money, and for the deadlines for completing the order.
    2. -1
      18 February 2024 18: 55
      You have not learned to read just like you have learned to think. Where did you find out about the state budget?
      ...The car was not included in the state program for the revival of the aviation industry until 2030, and enthusiasts decided to raise the project on their own. Gazprom even decided to experiment with an independent design bureau...
      Just to whine...
  3. +11
    17 February 2024 05: 31
    And I agree with the creation of the Tu-324.

    With a small condition: Gazprom makes the Tu-324 - at the same time refusing for 10 years
    from the acquisition of Brazilians and other hangers-on of national property in the now numerous Zenit, SKA, etc.

    As it turns out, the real fans are at the front (Espaniola).
    So who is happy with the purchased sports stars in their absence?

    As the coach of the Irkutsk (!) football team recently said on Mr. Miller’s birthday: “The national treasure is common - and only your dreams come true.”

    Everything is correct according to the author of the note: it’s time to work, this especially applies to people in VIP boxes at stadiums.
    1. 0
      17 February 2024 19: 19
      And I agree with the creation of the Tu-324.

      But not me. The creatures that have attached themselves to Gazprom have lost their shores and it is necessary to send investigative teams there that are not under the control of the GDP and carry out arrests and an inventory of the property of them and their relatives, and most importantly, return the capital measure with the confiscation of property for theft of state property on an especially large scale.
      And we need to appoint a new leadership of Gazprom so that instead of throwing money at useless pipelines, football players, skyscrapers and business jets, they will get down to business, build LNG terminals and berths, order hundreds of gas carriers and generally earn money for the budget.
      1. +2
        17 February 2024 22: 35
        Quote: ramzay21
        And I agree with the creation of the Tu-324.

        But not me.

        This is the first time I agree with you, without a grain of irony. Hai fly economy like people.
      2. man
        +1
        18 February 2024 00: 10
        The creatures that have attached themselves to Gazprom have lost their shores and it is necessary to send investigative teams there that are not under the control of the GDP and carry out arrests and an inventory of the property of them and their relatives, and most importantly, return the capital measure with the confiscation of property for theft of state property on an especially large scale.
        You yourself understand that this is unrealistic...
      3. 0
        18 February 2024 16: 41
        investigative teams to establish uncontrolled GDPs and conduct arrests and inventory of property

        Most of us would be in emotional ecstasy if this happened. But....I think that it’s not even worth continuing how many of these buts.
  4. Eug
    +12
    17 February 2024 05: 40
    "....where can I get the AI-22 aircraft engine?"...
    The author is not aware that MNPP Salyut (once called as it is now - I don’t know) has the competence (in the author’s terminology) to produce and repair the AI-22 modification for the Yak-130? And what “problems” did the author see with the maintenance of “rear-tail” aircraft? They were solved long ago during the operation of the Yak-40/42 and Tu-134/154. Yes, this scheme is not optimal in terms of alignment and fuel consumption, but it is minimally demanding in terms of runway cleanliness (compared to “low nacelle” aircraft). As for me, the main issue is the presence of demand from NON-STATE structures. Although it is unknown whether these will remain in Russia, there is currently a trend towards the return of key ones to state ownership.
    1. +10
      17 February 2024 07: 18
      Quote: Eug
      Yes, this scheme is not optimal in terms of alignment and fuel consumption, but it is minimally demanding on runway cleanliness

      Yes, just 100% protection against foreign objects good

      1. +4
        17 February 2024 08: 07
        Quote: Lozovik
        Yes, just 100% protection against foreign objects

        It also protects the ears of passengers...
      2. -3
        17 February 2024 08: 59
        Quote: Lozovik


        I wish they could remove the Nazi symbols from the picture.
        1. 0
          17 February 2024 20: 38
          Quote: Nagan
          Quote: Lozovik


          I wish they could remove the Nazi symbols from the picture.

          As many as five skakuas stood up for the yellow flag. I’m specifying the place where it is, but it shouldn’t be: to the right of the TUPOLEV-334 inscription on the fuselage, above the windows.
      3. +2
        17 February 2024 09: 45
        This photograph is often inserted everywhere in order to deceive stupid readers, in order to show them that the Tu-334 supposedly has splashes and dirt that can get into the engines. But in reality, you only see snow dust. And if you know that snowflakes are very light and easily rise high into the air, but dirt, and even more so heavy objects like small pebbles and pieces of asphalt, will no longer reach the Tu-334 engines. And if the Tupolevs had guessed to tilt the nose of this plane a little lower - just slightly recess the front wheel into the fuselage - just a few centimeters, then the lower part of the fuselage would have even more strongly pressed the dirt flying out from under the front wheel onto the concrete. And don’t say that the revival of the Tu-334 is impossible - since it has no engine at all, since its original engine was originally designed in Ukraine and was completely destroyed. In fact, the PD-8 engine with a thrust of 8 tons is now being prepared, versus the previous one with a thrust of 7,5 tons. So - you can take away several engines from the Superjet and put them on the Tu-334
        1. -2
          17 February 2024 10: 31
          Quote: geniy
          And if the Tupolevs had guessed to tilt the nose of this plane a little lower - just slightly recess the front wheel into the fuselage - just a few centimeters, then the lower part of the fuselage would have even more strongly pressed the dirt flying out from under the front wheel onto the concrete.

          Give a negative angle of attack on takeoff? Urgently call UAC, such a designer is disappearing!

          Quote: geniy
          And don’t say that the revival of the Tu-334 is impossible

          Why talk? This plane is simply not needed.
          1. +11
            17 February 2024 10: 39
            Give a negative angle of attack on takeoff? Urgently call UAC, such a designer is disappearing!
            Don’t you really know that modern Boeings and Airbuses have a NEGATIVE angle when parked and during takeoff? About -2 degrees. I personally measured and calculated from the drawing. The point is that the negative angle is only at the beginning of the takeoff run, and during the run, when you need to press the plane harder to the ground, and at the end of the takeoff, the pilots shift the elevator to takeoff and the angle of attack instantly becomes positive.
            1. -1
              19 February 2024 20: 11
              Quote: geniy
              What about you

              And I'm okay laughing

              Quote: geniy
              Don’t you know that modern Boeings and Airbuses have a NEGATIVE angle when parked and during takeoff?

              Attack angle? Oh really?

              Quote: geniy
              when you need to press the plane harder to the ground

              What for?

              Quote: geniy
              and at the end of the takeoff run, the pilots shift the elevator to takeoff and the angle of attack instantly becomes positive

              How much can you fantasize?
        2. +4
          17 February 2024 13: 02
          Nobody builds 2 identical aircraft in parallel. At one time, the Tu-334 fell victim to a behind-the-scenes fight, and the Superjet was born. Now it has been imported. He lives in his niche. For both cars this is up to 100 passengers per 3000 km. Maybe they could also put a turboprop in here? For the company.
          1. +3
            18 February 2024 20: 26
            Quote: Glagol1
            Nobody builds 2 identical planes in parallel.

            They are identical only in capacity and range, but are fundamentally different in their demands on runway quality and basing conditions. “Superjet” cannot be operated in the conditions of the Far North, not all runways of regional airlines are capable of accepting them, they were abandoned by the Ministry of Defense (and they need aircraft of this class) and other state and government structures. In our conditions, the Tu-334 is in many ways preferable. And it is precisely for the conditions of the Far North, Siberia, the Far East, the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the government air detachment and for operation at airfields of not the highest quality runways that the Tu-334 could well be in demand. And unification of engines and (yes, enough of the corporate bullshit and selfishness) avionics and a number of other components would reduce the cost of the program for launching them into production. I am sure that for many countries where the quality of airfields is not of the highest class and the runways are not vacuumed every two hours, this aircraft would be in great demand. And be sure to keep two cabin options - with and without a navigator's seat.
            This is not a joke, Geography, Climate, the size of the country and the modest/not ideal state of the airfield infrastructure DO NOT ALLOW us to operate Superjets anywhere except at 1st class airfields. And the country needs connectivity and expansion / increase in the number of domestic airlines. There is no way to fly from Vladivostok to Magadan via Moscow. Superjet has and will have its own niche in the air transportation market - the southern and western regions of the country. But everything else is already the operating zone of such an aircraft as the Tu-334. They may not even intersect on domestic flights and there will be enough space for everyone. And maximum unification of engines, avionics and everything possible in order to speed up the process and simplify/reduce the cost of operation. No matter how you twist the curve, the Superjet WILL NOT solve the issue of aviation connectivity of the Country.. But in the Russified version it will work well in Iran and a number of other countries where there are no sub-zero temperatures, where frosts do not tear the concrete of the runways, and permafrost does not disturb the soil in summer thaws. There's enough room for both. And not only in our country.
            And don't be afraid of ambitious tasks.
        3. 0
          25 February 2024 05: 09
          and force airlines to buy 334 and don’t care that it’s less economically efficient (3 people instead of 2 (only for wages and social benefits it’s a few lyams more expensive) with the same engines its consumption will be higher (larger fuselage cross-section greater resistance) and the weight of the engines at the back should be something like that balance), and companies will shift their expenses onto the passengers’ pockets, my pocket. oh, these believers in the holy, innocent 334. no specifications and only faith “it’s better than a superjet” I recommend watching on the “boy in a mask” channel a detailed analysis of 334 and the superjet, and it’s not 20 minutes longer than an hour.
      4. 0
        17 February 2024 10: 03
        Here's the opposite photo. It would seem that you see how the snow whirlwinds do not get into the Superjet engines. But in fact, this photo was taken with the aim of deceiving stupid ordinary people. The fact is that dirt and small objects such as matchboxes and other debris get into the engines of all aircraft not at all during the take-off run, but on the contrary - during the landing run when the reverse is switched on and the plane is moving at low speed and the air jet of the jet reverse from this low speed overtakes the plane and raises dust, dirt and debris in front of it, and all this is immediately sucked into the engines. And therefore, Soviet rear-engine aircraft such as T-154, Tu-134, Tu-334 are better in this regard: when they REVERSE, dust and dirt rise at a LOWER speed. All Soviet aircraft were allowed to use reverse up to a speed of 100 km/h, and all foreign Boeings and Airbuses were prohibited from using reverse at speeds less than 160 km/h. And so the scoundrel aircraft designers of the Superjet decided to deceive all the stupid ordinary people - they carried out the Superjet's run through a specially dug puddle BUT WITHOUT TURNING ON REVERSE! and because of this, in photographs of the Superjet, viewers do not see splashes of water and dirt into its engines - because the reverse is not turned on!
        1. +3
          17 February 2024 10: 43
          Quote: geniy
          But in fact, this photo was taken with the aim of deceiving stupid ordinary people.

          This is actually a test to protect the engines from water ingress, which is part of the aircraft's certification.

          Quote: geniy
          And therefore, Soviet rear-engine aircraft such as T-154, Tu-134, Tu-334 are better in this regard

          Well, the Tu-154 doesn’t hit anything?



          Quote: geniy
          when REVERSE, dust and dirt rise at a LOWER speed

          How much smaller? Does this somehow prevent the same IL-62 from sucking up pieces of soil?



          Quote: geniy
          All Soviet aircraft were allowed to use reverse up to a speed of 100 km/h, and all foreign Boeings and Airbuses were prohibited from using reverse at speeds less than 160 km/h.

          Can you provide the manual pages?

          Quote: geniy
          They decided to deceive all the stupid ordinary people with this Superjet - they ran the Superjet through a specially dug puddle BUT WITHOUT REVERSE!

          Really? Maybe this geniy is he cheating?



          Here's a ton of deception from the creators of MS-21 laughing

          1. -1
            17 February 2024 10: 53
            Well, the Tu-154 doesn’t hit anything?

            Yes, it does. but the reason for this is the rather high raised nose of the fuselage due to the high nose landing gear. and the Tu-334 has a very low landing gear and the nose end is almost pressed against the concrete, and this would probably prevent pebbles from getting into the engines.
            Does this somehow prevent the same IL-62 from sucking up pieces of soil?
            And the Il-62 has the same drawback as the Tu-154 - the front landing gear is too high. And that’s why the front wheel throws stones right up to the engines
            1. 0
              19 February 2024 18: 38
              Where did the IL-62 take off/land from/on the ground?!
            2. 0
              19 February 2024 20: 18
              Quote: geniy
              Yes, it does. but the reason for this is the rather high raised nose of the fuselage due to the high front landing gear

              It turns out that the arrangement of engines in the tail does not work?

              Quote: geniy
              and this would probably prevent pebbles from getting into the engines

              Likely or certain?
          2. 0
            17 February 2024 11: 16
            Superjet over a specially dug puddle BUT WITHOUT REVERSE!
            Really? Maybe this genius is deceiving?
            You can easily deceive ordinary people. After all, the speed over the run after landing can be very different. First the speed is approximately 240 km/h, then touches down, then the plane lowers the front gear and after that the reverse is only allowed to be turned on and braking to 160 km/h, and then the reverse must be turned off. and brake only with your wheels up to a speed of 100-30 km/h. So you brought a photograph of a superjet at a time when the speed was more than 160 km/h and it was still possible to use the reverse.
            / And with Soviet aircraft, pilots sometimes turned on the reverse at an altitude of up to 10 m, where it was much more effective, but then this practice was banned because on Boeings and Airbuses, when the reverse was turned on in the air, the nose part hit the ground and a complete disaster occurred.
            1. 0
              19 February 2024 20: 24
              Quote: geniy
              You can easily deceive ordinary people.

              Is there a reverse in the photo or not?

              Quote: geniy
              First the speed is approximately 240 km/h, then touches down, then the plane lowers the front gear and after that the reverse is only allowed to be turned on and braking to 160 km/h, and then the reverse must be turned off. and brake only with your wheels up to a speed of 100-30 km/h.

              Will there be an RLE or not?

              Quote: geniy
              So you brought a photograph of a superjet at a time when the speed was more than 160 km/h and it was still possible to use the reverse.

              Is your memory failing? I didn't bring this photo.

              Quote: geniy
              And with Soviet planes, pilots sometimes turned on the reverse at an altitude of up to 10 m, where it was much more effective, but then this practice was banned because on Boeings and Airbuses, when the reverse was turned on in the air, the nose part hit the ground and a complete disaster occurred.

              When was it a complete disaster? Or at least incomplete?
              1. 0
                20 February 2024 10: 31
                If you haven't noticed yet, I very rarely enter into discussions on the forum. because my goal in life is not at all to show off my knowledge, but only in those cases when I could refute any deception or established incorrect opinion. And YOU Lozovik - I see you are quite a good professional, so I’m not interested in arguing with you in vain, trying to convince you of something. The fact is that I am trying to create the concept of an all-terrain amphibious aircraft, and in the near future, not just show pictures, but first create a small flying model of such an aircraft, then build a small aircraft several meters long, and then a life-size airliner.
                And according to this concept of mine, all passenger airliners must be short take-off and landing aircraft - STOL, and amphibians at that, that is, they land not on durable concrete runways, but on soft plowed soil softened by rains, and even on swamps and snow-covered fields. Moreover, such takeoffs should not be carried out rarely and accidentally, but constantly, so that aviation would soon completely forget about the existence of concrete airfields. And the amphibiousness of new aircraft should be expressed in the fact that they should fully become seaplanes and land on water and take off from it in the usual manner, which means that all aircraft should take off and land on rivers. That is, I see the aviation of the near future as follows: hundreds of passenger airliners take off every minute and land right in the center of Moscow - on the Moskva River, and in the same way land on the river in the center of St. Petersburg - on the Neva, and so on in all cities, or in as a last resort, small airfields around each city on their outskirts near multi-storey buildings - so that the plane can be reached by tram.
                But there are three main conditions for this: a short takeoff and landing, a low amphibious landing gear, and protected engine air intakes so that dirt and pebbles from bad airfields do not get into them.
                And back in the last century, a good Tu-334 airliner was built. And it turned out to be the closest to my concept of such an aircraft of the future. True, professionals can say that I’m supposedly mistaken - after all, the Tu-334 has absolutely nothing of my requirements - firstly, it is by no means a short take-off and landing aircraft, but quite the opposite - its take-off and run length is greater than like a superjet, the Tu-334 can land on the ground only in emergency situations, and even more so its engines are not protected from dirt and stones.
                But I know how to eliminate all its shortcomings! The take-off and run length of the Tu-334 can easily be reduced by about ten times. Increase the installation angle of attack of the wings and press their trailing edge (flaps) to the ground - to create an aerodynamic air cushion on takeoff. And on landing, take a high angle of attack - about 15 degrees and turn on the reverse gear early - at a height of one or two meters above the ground, so as to bring the touch-down and take-off speed to a fantastic figure of 60 km/h!!!
                Of course, in its current form, the Tu-334 under no circumstances can land on soft ground, swamps, snow or water. But the fact is that this airliner has a VERY LOW landing gear - probably the lowest of all existing aircraft. And in my idea, this low landing gear can be very easily converted into an AMPHIBIAN landing gear - so that the airliner could take off and land from a very soft and loose surface and even from water.
                Unprotected air intakes of the Tu-334. You know that there is a Mig-29 fighter, and it has adjustable air intakes to such an extent that the front door can be completely closed during takeoff and landing, and the air intake in these cases is from above - and this gives excellent protection to the engines during takeoff and landing. True, the aircraft designers of this MIG did not bother at all to create a short takeoff and landing for it, especially on a soft, loose surface. So - the Tu-334 engines are in the rear part of the fuselage, and if you change the method of attaching them to the fuselage, then you can easily use the same protection system as the MiG-29, that is, completely close the front air intake opening with a flap and take in air only from above. But on the Superjet and on all Boeings and Airbuses it is absolutely impossible to apply such a design solution. Therefore, all Boeings, Airbuses, superjets, Tu-214, and MS-21 must simply die in the near future.
                But as you know, at the beginning of the century, a superjet was designed by order of the Russian government. In principle, in its existing form, the Tu-334 is no better than a superjet at all - it has neither short takeoff and landing, nor amphibious capabilities, but the worst thing is that the Tu-334 did not have an engine at all! Vedas, its engines were supposed to be produced in Ukraine, which gradually became a hostile state. So the Tu-334 project is completely dead.
                But I believe that in modern conditions it is necessary to revive this aircraft again, but in a much improved, modernized form: an amphibious short takeoff and landing seaplane with a completely plastic (carbon fiber) airframe, that is, not only the wings and tail, but also a completely carbon fiber fuselage. Moreover, there are also engines for this revived aircraft - these are PD-8 with a thrust of 8 tons. You will say that this engine is intended for a superjet. But in my opinion the supedjet should die. Moreover, in the history of aviation it often happened that the same engine or its variations were installed on different aircraft. For example, Mig-3 and Il-2 had almost identical engines, and Lagg-3, Yak-1, Pe-2 had identical engines. Therefore, you can take away several PD-8 engines from the Superjet and put them on the Tu-334.
                And I’m simply not going to discuss and argue with you over trifles, dear Lozovik.
          3. -1
            17 February 2024 12: 28
            Here's a ton of deception from the creators of the MS-21 laughing


            Sorry, but in addition to aerodynamics there is also ballistics. And a pebble thrown from under a wheel is more susceptible to ballistics than dust or snow.
            However, aerodynamics also matter; the air flow at the engine inlet perfectly corrects the trajectory.
    2. 0
      17 February 2024 20: 48
      Quote: Eug
      where can I get the AI-22 aircraft engine?

      In Zaporozhye. Liberating Zaporozhye from Nazi occupation is neither more nor less than the constitutional duty of the Guarantor in accordance with the latest edition of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which included the liberated territories, including the Zaporozhye region, into the Russian Federation. And once freed, we will have to provide the local population with employment and enterprises with orders.
  5. +8
    17 February 2024 06: 01
    One of the reasons why a good medium-haul airliner lost the competition to Sukhoi was the high-mounted engines on the tail. Not all airport services were able to service such equipment. ...specific retraining of crews...

    Well, yes - the fact that the Tu-134, Tu-154 and Yak-42 were operated at the same time was of course not taken into account.
    1. +12
      17 February 2024 06: 14
      Admins, sort out the time it takes to edit the text, this is already beyond all limits. You just don’t allow normal comments!
    2. +4
      17 February 2024 07: 09
      Quote: mark1
      Well, yes - the fact that the Tu-134, Tu-154 and Yak-42 were operated at the same time was of course not taken into account.

      The author has probably never heard of such a technique. wink
  6. +6
    17 February 2024 06: 06
    Obvious and probable... if you do nothing, then nothing will happen!
  7. +4
    17 February 2024 06: 07
    It is not easy for ground services to maintain high-mounted engines

    Tu-154, Tu-134, Il-62, Yak-40/42 and something else. What could be difficult to maintain here? wink
    1. 0
      19 February 2024 18: 44
      By the way, there was also a Boeing 727, a British Trident, a Sud Aviation Caravel (seeing which, Khrushchev ran to our designers “I want, I want, I want!”) and such a miracle - neither ours nor yours - as McDonnell-Douglas MD-10, -11...
  8. +3
    17 February 2024 06: 29
    It’s time to stop indulging yourself with unrealistic dreams and creating high-profile occasions out of nowhere.

    Golden words, they should be at the beginning of the article...
  9. +8
    17 February 2024 06: 29
    Again, my hands are itching to dislike the article, but there is no necessary button! recourse
    The author wants to say that you need to fold your paws and give up everything, but supposedly nothing will come of it anyway!
  10. +10
    17 February 2024 06: 43
    In such discussions, it is always necessary to take into account that the leadership of the UAC is almost entirely from the Su company.
    Accordingly, all projects that could harm the production of Sushki, be they military or civilian devices, are immediately slowed down, rejected, stalled, etc.
    This is how both the Tu-334 and the MiG-1.44 crashed.
    Moreover, the general public does not know what else was hacked at the level of ideas when the information was not yet made public.
    By promoting the ideas of free enterprise and healthy competition, the Russian state has done the opposite in the aviation industry. It is clear that it was at the instigation of the Sushnoy lobby.
    Therefore, promoting “leftist” projects will be difficult and costly.
  11. +5
    17 February 2024 06: 47
    Quote: Eug
    "....where can I get the AI-22 aircraft engine?"...
    The author is not aware that MNPP Salyut (once called as it is now - I don’t know) has the competence (in the author’s terminology) to produce and repair the AI-22 modification for the Yak-130?

    AI-22 - turbofan engine
    AI-222 with YAK-130 - turbojet engine.
    This is different)
  12. +11
    17 February 2024 07: 45
    Tupolevites in addition, they turned the engines backwards, turning them into pushers.
    The author's "competence" is off the charts. Let him explain how to make a turbojet engine not a pulling engine, but a pushing one. Maybe with a picture.
    1. +7
      17 February 2024 08: 04
      Quote: Aviator_
      Let him explain how to make a turbojet engine not a pulling one, but a pushing one

      Some new technologies that we don’t know anything about yet. A revolution in aircraft manufacturing...
      1. +5
        17 February 2024 10: 49
        A revolution in aircraft manufacturing...
        An engine that has no analogues in the world!
    2. +3
      17 February 2024 19: 23
      Quote: Aviator_
      The author's "competence" is off the charts. Let him explain how to make a turbojet engine not a pulling engine, but a pushing one. Maybe with a picture.

      Similar desire. Fedorov in all his glory. All my life I dreamed of seeing pulling turbojet engines. wassat
      1. +1
        17 February 2024 20: 15
        All my life I dreamed of seeing pulling turbojet engines.
        I can suggest as an option a location in front of the fuselage on cables or ropes. wassat
        1. +1
          18 February 2024 18: 48
          Quote: Aviator_
          I can suggest as an option an arrangement in front of the fuselage on cables or ropes

          Russian troika? With bells? laughing
          1. +1
            18 February 2024 19: 30
            Russian troika? With bells? laughing
            Why not? And paint it like Khokhloma. It will be very patriotic.
  13. +4
    17 February 2024 08: 03
    What a beautiful phrase “domestic aircraft are rapidly returning to the skies”, I would like to, but for now it would get in the way.
  14. +5
    17 February 2024 09: 09
    IMHO, If we remember that Gazprom - a state company - entered into the auto part of AURUS, and nothing is heard about profits and sales to the sheikhs (as promised) - then IMHO, everything is bad.
    Money from state companies (that is, essentially budget funds) is used to plug holes in unprofitable PR “victories”

    Someone received silver coins for optimizing money, and the population pays with their wallets for stillborn “business jets for VIPs”?
  15. AVP
    +3
    17 February 2024 09: 29
    It won’t take off, because the Tu-3x4 was initially considered to be a TVD, and that’s where it got burned (since it was essentially impossible to create an engine). Attempts to install turbojet engines on them ruined all calculations and the aircraft became uncompetitive. This is either a new plane from scratch, or an sbj, even though it is larger in size.
  16. +2
    17 February 2024 10: 05
    We really needed this shake-up, so that we could at least start doing something of our own, at least move, otherwise we would get fat on Western achievements.
  17. +3
    17 February 2024 10: 23
    The civil aircraft industry in Russia in the 90s was simply “crushed” by competitors Boeing and Airbus, with the full connivance of the Yeltsin government. What is the AI-22 engine? The first time I've heard.
    1. 0
      17 February 2024 10: 51
      Quote: TermNachTER
      What is the AI ​​engine - 22

      Some kind of miscarriage of the Russian-Ukrainian aviation industry wink
      1. 0
        17 February 2024 11: 22
        This is the first time I've heard about this. I know AI - 20, AI - 24, there was a joint D - 27. This is either a typo, or the author himself does not know what he is writing about.
      2. -1
        17 February 2024 14: 09
        Some kind of miscarriage of the Russian-Ukrainian aviation industry


        This “miscarriage” served as the basis for the development of AI-222-25.
        And you can slander as much as you like, but Ivchenko-Progress knows how to develop and make engines.
        And the loss of capacity in Zaporozhye had a very painful impact on those remnants of the Soviet aviation industry that remained in the Russian Federation.
        And this loss is on the conscience of those who, for the sake of power, were ready to cut the USSR into pieces, regardless of the consequences, as well as their spiritual heirs. Who chewed snot for thirty years and built an “energy superpower”, finishing off the remnants of their own aviation industry.
        1. +1
          17 February 2024 18: 11
          AI - 222 and its derivatives, small engines for combat training aircraft. Yak - 130, Chinese L - 15. Even if you put three of them, they are unlikely to pull such a heavy glider.
          1. 0
            17 February 2024 19: 09
            AI - 222 and its derivatives, small engines for combat training aircraft. Yak - 130, Chinese L - 15. Even if you put three of them, they are unlikely to pull such a heavy glider.


            So AI-222 is a derated version. In addition, the required power supply of a UBL and a pack carrier is different.
            1. 0
              17 February 2024 21: 17
              This is how it was done without an afterburner. This was only later, it was converted for the Chinese into AI - 222 - 25 K.
              1. 0
                17 February 2024 22: 34
                This is how it was done without an afterburner. This was only later, it was converted for the Chinese into AI - 222 - 25 K.


                This is already the third option.
                1. 0
                  17 February 2024 23: 02
                  May be. When I was working, this was the only option they did.
            2. +1
              18 February 2024 06: 49
              It is not clear why it is needed; it is more practical to build turboprop aircraft with such a range and passenger capacity, like the ATR-42, 72.
  18. 0
    17 February 2024 15: 04
    Quote: TermNachTER
    This is the first time I've heard about this. I know AI - 20, AI - 24, there was a joint D - 27. This is either a typo, or the author himself does not know what he is writing about.

    AI-22 on wiki
    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%98-22
    1. 0
      19 February 2024 18: 50
      Until the horse races arrived, Motor Sich was successfully making engines. The remotorized (and renamed for this purpose) Mi-8 and Mi-2 helicopters even set records (altitude, rate of climb? - Sclerosis(((((((((((((). In the Russian Federation, the production of Be -200 and An-148...
  19. +4
    17 February 2024 15: 31
    "....Tu-334, being developed in defiance of the SSJ-100 from the Sukhoi Design Bureau..." fool Author - don't talk nonsense! The Tu-334 was already flying, and it was quite possible to bring it to fruition when someone from the "funeral team of lobbyists of the Western aviation industry in government" decided that it was necessary to create a new aircraft together with "Western friends"! And they entrusted this "case" "Design Bureau "Sukhoi", which never (!!!!) created civil aircraft! So the result was a "miracle" consisting of more than 80% foreign components! "Miracle", for which billions of rubles were wasted, and with which to this day We still can’t figure it out (for one flying “miracle” there are two standing for spare parts!) negative True, that same “funeral team of lobbyists of the Western aviation industry in the authorities” made a lot of money on kickbacks for the supply of those very 80% of the components for the “miracle”! hi hi
  20. +1
    17 February 2024 18: 23
    The most popular airplanes in the north are the Antonov “Cheburashka” and the modernized TVS-2MS maize aircraft.
    The lack of GDP predetermines the need for helicopters and better Kamov coaxial designs like the Ka-226 - strong winds
    1. +1
      18 February 2024 16: 53
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      The most popular airplanes in the north are the Antonov “Cheburashka” and the modernized TVS-2MS corn carrier.

      No, it won't work. For such aircraft, current Russian manufacturers want their weight in diamonds. Even in the North there are not so many. But for a business jet from the Tatars, money will simply flow like a river...
  21. 0
    18 February 2024 01: 40
    “324” was not alone at the time of its creation; then the Tu-334 was created at a rapid pace, which has quite a lot in common with its “little brother”. And “334” was already flying, so if we manage to revive the “eggplant” - “334”, then “324” will also have a chance.
  22. 0
    18 February 2024 01: 48
    Let's fast forward a few years and look at the Tu-334, being developed to counter the SSJ-100 from the Sukhoi Design Bureau.

    Exactly the opposite.
  23. -1
    18 February 2024 16: 20
    "I want to cry"
  24. +2
    18 February 2024 16: 52
    Well, of course! After the demonstrative, ostentatious destruction of the civil aviation industry, after the indescribable Superjet, capitalists will vying with each other to order business jets from Russia! Billionaires literally don't sleep at night waiting for the chance to shell out hundreds of millions of dollars for such a plane! Ugh, disgrace...
  25. 0
    18 February 2024 18: 08
    Quote: Aviator_
    All my life I dreamed of seeing pulling turbojet engines.
    I can suggest as an option a location in front of the fuselage on cables or ropes. wassat
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ksh9jaqC6Y
  26. 0
    18 February 2024 23: 15
    . In addition, the Tupolevs turned the engines backwards, turning them into pushers.

    What is it like?!
    Didn't they bolt the cockpit to the back?
  27. 0
    18 February 2024 23: 31
    What nonsense is written here!!!
    Quote: NIKNN
    This was the victory of the West over Russia at the hands of those whom they nurtured, but the most interesting thing is that they (the oligarchs and rulers) did not have anything for it (the same Chubais) and live and live

    they are running for the 7th term in a type of “election”, right?
  28. -2
    18 February 2024 23: 39
    Finally, the nonsense written here is typical of the last 30 years.
    Alya "Hurray, the revival is finally starting, we finally thought of it, thank you, thank you, thank you, we're awesome, we're awesome, Christ save you all there."

    In three days no one will remember about this game. And they will remember in two or three years.
    And so on in a circle, all 33 years.

    People's memory is not three minutes long.
    To prevent insanity, read the news from 3-7-10-15-20-25 years ago - everything is the same. It will continue to do so! You don’t need much, just a couple of lines in the title and the opium will be injected.
  29. 0
    19 February 2024 08: 27
    LA of the 80s-90s, why spend money on it? If someone needs a business jet, there is an SJ in this form. There is nothing on the Tupolev .... turbojet engine, avionics ...
    1. -1
      19 February 2024 18: 52
      The saddest thing is that there are no engineers under 60 years old at Tupolev. I would like to be wrong
      1. 0
        19 February 2024 20: 04
        Today, the Sukhoi Design Bureau is the only one who makes civil aircraft.
  30. 0
    22 February 2024 21: 46
    What passenger aircraft is most needed for a country that has been cut off by foreign manufacturers? Well, of course, an expensive business jet! Not an analogue of the E-95, A320 and B737, but an expensive business jet that no one needs!
  31. 0
    23 February 2024 15: 59
    Quote: ramzay21
    The creatures attached to Gazprom have lost their shores

    So “national treasure” - whoever worked at Gazprom doesn’t laugh at the circus, but it’s too much for transporting VIPs and a Stolypin carriage!
  32. 0
    25 February 2024 15: 39
    MOSCOW, January 19 - RIA Novosti. The Aeroflot group plans to put into operation 2030 new Russian-made aircraft by 339, said Aeroflot head Sergei Alexandrovsky.
    “We have ordered 339 new domestic aircraft. These are the Sukhoi Superjet short-haul aircraft - 89 aircraft, the MS-21 - 210 aircraft and the Tu-214 - 40 aircraft. We expect to put all this number into operation before 2030,” he said during the international exhibition and forum "Russia". The new aircraft, according to Aleksandrovsky, will allow the group to expand the geography of its flights.
    At the beginning of the week, Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin reported that more than 600 entirely Russian airliners should be built over the next six years. The basis of the fleet of Russian airlines will be the SSJ-New, MC-21-310, Il-114-300, Tu-214 and Il-96-300 aircraft.


    https://ria.ru/20240119/aeroflot-1922311023.html
  33. 0
    27 February 2024 01: 07
    Determine the price of creating the desired aircraft, impose mandatory deductions, in addition to taxes, on the fat aces, in the amount of the second or third tax (they will not become poorer) and planes, trains, and roads will appear.
  34. 0
    28 March 2024 01: 59
    How about cutting the money?! They sat down on the budget streams and imitated body movements.
  35. 0
    April 4 2024 07: 28
    Why do we need another regional aircraft when the import-substituted Superjet is almost already there? MS-21 occupies the middle class. The IL-96 will still be in the upper class in terms of range and passenger capacity. Yes - it is already outdated and in its place it is necessary to develop a new wide-body for a pair of PD-35 engines.