“Hunter” is approaching: prospects for the use of the heavy stealthy S-70 UAV in Ukraine

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“Hunter” is approaching: prospects for the use of the heavy stealthy S-70 UAV in Ukraine
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Size matters


Wars and armed conflicts of recent times have clearly shown the increasing importance of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) on the battlefield. Of course, first of all, we are talking about the Russian Special Military Operation (SVO), which has been ongoing for almost two years, to denazify Ukraine.



It is characteristic that during the SVO, the most significant role is played by small-sized UAVs, such as FPV-drones-kamikazes, reconnaissance UAVs and quadrocopter (octacopter/hexacopter) UAV bombers. At the same time, medium-sized Male class UAVs, for example, such as the Turkish Bayraktar TV2 UAV, which performed well during the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, did not have a significant impact on the course of hostilities in Ukraine, being a fairly simple target for Russian air defense systems. .

However, here it is necessary to make a reservation that negative experience in the use of medium-sized UAVs was obtained mainly by the Ukrainian side, since the number of Russian medium-sized Orion UAVs, apparently, is still extremely limited, and heavier Sirius UAVs are in the process of development. On the other hand, if you use them in the Northern Military District zone in the same way as the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) used Turkish Bayraktar TV2 UAVs, then the result will most likely be the same.

But Male class UAVs are not the “top of the power chain” - this role is claimed by heavy UAVs with a jet engine, whose characteristics approach those of manned tactical combat aircraft, and in some ways surpass them.

In 2007, at the MAKS air show, a model of the Russian heavy stealth jet UAV “Skat”, developed by the MiG company, made according to the “flying wing” aerodynamic design, was shown. It was assumed that the maximum take-off weight of the Skat UAV would be up to 20 tons, the flight range would be up to 4 kilometers, the service ceiling would be up to 000 meters, and the combat load would be up to 15 tons. It was planned to use a non-afterburning turbojet engine (TRJ) RD-000B with a flat nozzle (a modification of the RD-ZZ turbojet engine of the MiG-6 fighter) as the power plant.


Full-size mock-up of the Skat UAV at MAKS 2007, with the Kh-31P anti-radar missile in the foreground. Image by Pyccue

Presumably, in 2011–2012, the Sukhoi company was chosen as the developer of a heavy jet UAV in the 10–20 ton weight class. Perhaps after this, the groundwork implemented within the framework of the Skat UAV program was used in the development of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV.

Like the Skat UAV, the S-70 Okhotnik UAV is designed according to the “flying wing” design; solutions to reduce visibility are widely used in its design - in the extreme version of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV, it has a flat engine nozzle, presumably this modification of the AL-41F family engine without an afterburner (which is not needed for a subsonic UAV).


Flight of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV prototype. Image by Mil.ru

The length of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV is 14 meters, the wingspan is 19 meters. Take-off weight is about 20–25 tons, with a payload, according to various sources, 2,8/6/8 tons. The maximum speed is about 1 kilometers per hour, the service ceiling is up to 000 meters, the flight range is up to 18 kilometers.

It has been stated that the main task of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV will be to work in conjunction with the fifth-generation Su-57 fighter, but other scenarios for the use of this combat vehicle cannot be ruled out. Presumably, the Okhotnik has developed avionics (avionics), including a radar station, electronic reconnaissance (RTR) and radar warfare (EW) equipment. It is possible that an optical-electronic station (OES) will be installed on the S-70 Okhotnik UAV.

It is also impossible to exclude the emergence of several versions of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV, for example, a more advanced and expensive modification, designed to work in conjunction with the Su-57, will carry on board an active phased array radar (AFAR) and will be capable of using air-to-air missiles, while for a modification intended to strike ground targets with known coordinates, a complex and expensive electronic electronic equipment, including a radar with an AFAR, will become clearly redundant.


Joint flight of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV and the Su-57 fighter Image Mil.ru

According to information from open sources, there are currently three flight prototypes of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV, and three more UAVs are under construction. Thus, potentially by the end of 2024 we can expect the appearance of three serial S-70 Okhotnik UAVs in the ranks of the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS).

According to a number of Internet resources, the S-70 “Okhotnik” UAV was first used in the Northern Military District zone back in June 2023; subsequently, no information was received about the operation of this vehicle in Ukraine. Considering that, presumably, the development of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV is nearing completion and the start of mass production, there is a high probability that these UAVs will be actively used in the Northern Military District zone.

Let's talk about how and in what capacity this can happen.

Battle check


First of all, it can be assumed that the S-70 Okhotnik UAV will not be sent deep into the territory of Ukraine, at least at first. It would seem that UAVs of this type are precisely designed to carry out strikes deep in enemy territory, so why not use them in this capacity?

The fact is that no matter how modern and inconspicuous the Okhotnik UAV is, no matter what electronic warfare equipment is installed on it, there is always a risk of its loss, both due to enemy influence and due to possible equipment failures. Considering how undesirable it is for the latest models to fall into the hands of the enemy, by which we primarily mean not Ukraine, but the United States and Great Britain, it is hardly worth deploying the Okhotnik UAV behind the line of combat contact (LCC).

That is, no raids deep into enemy territory to hit particularly important targets - for this there is Long-range kamikaze UAV, cruise, operational-tactical and aeroballistic missiles.

Of course, there is no point in talking about the possibility of using the S-70 Okhotnik UAV as an attack aircraft to hunt for armored vehicles on LBS, as well as about using this vehicle to drop free-falling aerial bombs. Of course, this is technically possible, but it would be absurd to risk the latest expensive a fighting machine for solving problems that they cope with perfectly combat helicoptersartillery UAV type "Lancet" and the ubiquitous FPV drones.


According to the cost-effectiveness criterion, FPV drones have practically no competitors

The use of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV as a carrier of aerial bombs with UMPC can also be questioned. No, of course, such an application may take place within the framework of any tests, but it is hardly advisable to do this on an ongoing basis. The reason is simple, apparently, the S-70 “Okhotnik” UAV will be a rather complex and expensive combat vehicle, there won’t be many of them in the army, and aerial bombs with UMPC are relatively inexpensive weapon specifically for mass use.

To solve this problem, it is better to use inexpensive combat vehicles, as we previously discussed in the materials “Lessons from the Northern Military District: multifunctional weapons systems should complement highly specialized combat vehicles” и "Thunder" over Ukraine: a promising UAV can become the most effective carrier of aerial bombs with UMPC".

A much more promising area for using the S-70 Okhotnik UAV is the destruction of high-value targets using modern high-precision munitions, for example, such as the Kh-59MK2 tactical air-to-surface missile. Thanks to the stealth nature of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV, it will potentially be able to approach the LBS without crossing it, thereby ensuring the maximum depth of use of high-precision ammunition used with minimal risk to the carrier. In the event that the enemy still manages to hit the S-70 Okhotnik UAV, its fragments will fall on territory controlled by Russian troops, therefore, they will not fall into the hands of the enemy.


Model of the Kh-59MK2 missile, designed for placement in the internal compartments of stealth combat aircraft. Image by Vitaly V. Kuzmin

However, it can be assumed that the S-70 Okhotnik UAV can show its greatest effectiveness when used to counter enemy air defense systems. The ambush tactics of using anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces lead to extremely unpleasant losses for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces). The latest such case was a sneak attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on a Russian Il-76 transport aircraft that was transporting Ukrainian prisoners of war for exchange.

SAM Hunter


It is quite difficult to counter the ambush tactics of using air defense systems - the enemy secretly moves a long-range air defense system as close as possible to the LBS, then turns on the radar station (radar) for a short period of time, locks on the target, and launches an anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM). After hitting the target, the air defense system is folded up as quickly as possible and withdrawn from the LBS deep into the controlled territory.

A feature of the ambush tactics of using air defense systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is the receipt of information about the presence of a target in the affected area from third-party sources, for example, from reconnaissance assets of NATO countries or agents on Russian territory. This allows the radar to be turned on for a minimum period of time, which makes it difficult to counter the operation of such air defense systems.

In addition, the American Patriot air defense systems used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine can use missiles with an active radar homing head (ARLGSN), which allows you to turn off the radar immediately after launching the missile (although this somewhat reduces the likelihood of hitting a target compared to when the air defense system tracks the target of its radar and adjusts the flight path of the missile defense system up to the moment of hitting the target).


The AN/MPQ-53 multifunctional radar with a passive phased array antenna is the most expensive part of the Patriot air defense system. Image by Hunini

Thus, the time required to detect and destroy an enemy air defense system is counted literally in minutes, if not less. The average flight speed of the domestic anti-radar missile (PRR) Kh-Z1P/Kh-Z1PD is about 2 M or 600-700 m/s, that is, a distance of 100 kilometers (the maximum range of the missile defense system from the Patriot air defense system) the PRR will cover in about XNUMX minutes - even During this time, the enemy air defense system can escape.

This adds up to the time required to detect and classify the enemy’s air defense system radar radiation, while all this time the air defense system hunter aircraft itself will be in the enemy air defense system’s kill zone. Someone may remember that the Kh-Z1PD PRR has a flight range of 180–250 kilometers, which allows the carrier not to enter the air defense missile system’s affected area, but the flight time of the PRR in this case will be already 5–7 minutes, which significantly increases the chances of the air defense missile system the enemy escapes unharmed.

By the way, the X-1 family of PRRs have parameters comparable to the Kh-Z1P/Kh-Z58PD PRR, and the Kh-58UShK modification is specifically designed for placement in the internal compartments of the fifth generation fighter Su-57; most likely, it can also be placed in the internal compartments UAV S-70 "Hunter". With a range of up to 250 kilometers, a maximum flight speed of 3,6 M and a broadband passive seeker, the Kh-70USHK PRR located in the compartments of the S-58 Okhotnik UAV will pose a serious threat to enemy air defense systems.


PRR X-58USHKE (export version). Image roe.ru

What are the benefits of using the S-70 Okhotnik UAV to hunt enemy air defense systems?

Firstly, the UAV can patrol for much longer than a manned aircraft - presumably, the patrol duration of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV can be up to 12 hours, while the pilot will not get tired, since he is simply not there, and the operators can work according to a schedule , optimal from the point of view of maintaining maximum combat readiness.

Secondly, the low visibility of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV will presumably allow it to patrol near the LBS with minimal risk of being hit by missiles. Of course, this ultimately depends on the effective scattering surface (ESR), reliable information about which is not available in open sources.

At the same time, in order to ensure the destruction of planes and helicopters over territory controlled by the RF Armed Forces, the enemy will have to drag the air defense system as close as possible to the LBS. In this case, the operators of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV will have a little more time to detect and classify the radiation from the air defense missile system radar and launch the anti-aircraft missile systems, which will only take a few minutes to reach the target. After launching a missile defense system against an enemy’s air defense system, the S-70 “Okhotnik” UAV can perform an evasive maneuver, going to low altitudes, in case the enemy has launched a missile defense system with an ARLGSN in its direction.

Of course, all of the above is based on open data and will largely depend on what kind of EPR the S-70 “Okhotnik” UAV will have, from what angles, what will be the composition of the avionics, whether it will be able to use EPR, and much more.

Conclusions


It is unlikely that in the foreseeable future S-70 Okhotnik UAVs will appear in the North Military District zone in significant quantities - most likely, these will be single copies. It would seem that they will not be able to have any serious influence on the military operations in the Northern Military District zone.

However, if you use the S-70 Okhotnik UAV against enemy air defense systems that use ambush tactics to destroy our planes and helicopters over Russian territory, then this will potentially allow the Russian Armed Forces to avoid very unpleasant losses. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces don’t have that many long-range air defense systems, so their destruction in itself is an extremely important, high-priority task.
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  1. +14
    15 February 2024 05: 25
    if it won’t cross the LBS, then why this expensive toy?
    1. +6
      15 February 2024 05: 40
      For parades and exhibitions.
      1. +24
        15 February 2024 07: 23
        I'm tired of all these scams with window dressing and fairy tales about tomorrow from the military-industrial complex. In a normal country, all these offices should have been visited long ago by investigative teams and pulled out all the thieves holed up there.
        For the money that was spent on these Hunters in stupid window dressing, it was possible to form hundreds of UAV companies with simple and cheap FPV drones as well as electronic warfare equipment and turn the tide in the Northern Military District.
        And if, instead of stealing funds, they would have built at least a couple of dozen RER aircraft on the basis of dozens of Tu-204/214 aircraft that were in storage and no one needed, and instead of putting competent specialists in charge of the country’s air force instead of tankers, with the development of interaction between RER aircraft and UAV crews and a bunch of Su-30SM - an anti-radar missile, then we would have suppressed enemy air defense long ago and our aircraft would have operated freely in enemy airspace with all the sad consequences for the enemy.
        1. -5
          15 February 2024 15: 36
          100500% in support of your opinion.
          And an anecdote on the topic:
          Taking out 1,2 million Donbass residents and settling them in luxury housing within the Moscow Ring Road would still be cheaper than what is happening now, don’t you think?
        2. +3
          15 February 2024 21: 34
          "And if, instead of stealing funds, they would have built at least“Who said that they were stealing, but for me they were enriching themselves, they came up with vouchers and privatization, they put the whole of Russia in their pocket, they destroyed non-core assets, where is our NANO? Is it doing in Israel? Everything went according to PLAN and is still going!!!
        3. +6
          16 February 2024 07: 38
          What kind of normal country is this? Will there be examples? Britain is the mistress of the seas - where the entire fleet has sunk and rusted, but they are dying as if they can still do something? Maybe Baltic sprats? Now they’ll build a fence and wow, I don’t know what they’ll do! Maybe your beloved USA, where hundreds of projects are being made much more expensive than Hunter, which will never give any result?
          Unlike you, I can give a specific example. There is such chaos in the world now that Russia, despite all the chaos and Russian haphazardness, is one of the few that looks “normal” and you know this very well.
          P.S. The situation in the Northern Military District has long been reversed; your brother hacks are being crushed on all fronts.
        4. +1
          April 28 2024 10: 33
          Quote: ramzay21
          For this money that these Hunters are wasted in stupid window dressing

          On the one hand, everything seems to be so. But there is another side to the coin. And this includes gaining experience in dealing with OCD and developing technologies and much more.
          Pay attention to the American reconnaissance UAVs, how much damage they caused us. But we don’t have such UAVs. Maybe "Hunter" is the first step towards creating something similar.
      2. 0
        15 February 2024 10: 13
        Why is such a UAV needed? The correct answer should begin with such an introduction. Advanced and thinking military leaders, based on the experience of all armies, the availability of specific weapons and the capabilities of the military-industrial complex, develop tactics for conducting our modern battle, for example, combat at the tactical level. This concept is accepted and approved and becomes law. Based on this concept, requirements for new weapons and modifications to existing ones are formed. New or modified organizational structures are also being created and, if necessary (and such a need has existed for more than 20 years), systems for command and control of troops and weapons are being developed to organize forward interaction. In training centers they teach techniques and tactics of modern combat and interaction and mastery of new types of weapons and systems...
        Now it’s easier, the military is making a real order for new real weapons systems for waging a modern (even from their point of view) war or battle. AND STOP!
        In the Russian Armed Forces, the leadership has no understanding of the features of modern warfare and there is not a single new concept of combat operations, even at the tactical level. The military-industrial complex does something and offers it to the military, and they figure out how to use it.
        95% of unstolen funds are wasted or are simply used to accumulate old weapons, which are used on the basis of old approaches to warfare and cannot lead to victory in the North.
        This article is a prime example of this. Reflections of an intelligent person who has no idea about modern war, about how to use equipment created by people like him in some kind of, and from his point of view, modern war...
        1. TIR
          0
          15 February 2024 23: 34
          We need cheap UAV targets and weapons. Then you can destroy air defense
        2. -4
          16 February 2024 07: 26
          cannot lead to victory in the SVO

          In the Russian Armed Forces, the leadership has no understanding of the features of modern warfare and there is not a single new concept of warfare


          And this was said by a man with a yellow-blue avatar. Well, you have plenty of experience - then a boiler, then beggars, then again a boiler. De facto, Russia is the only one in the world who now has an understanding of modern warfare, and new concepts are constantly being introduced, which you know very well yourself, how many there were... We were constantly learning, changing, trying, improving.
          How is your Avdeevka by the way? Already renamed it?
      3. -4
        16 February 2024 07: 20
        Are you his second account or are you both from Ukraine? It’s just that he always speaks out in support of the thieves of Kyiv, but I don’t remember you.
    2. +4
      15 February 2024 11: 19
      So, offhand, in comparison with the Su34 (with UMPC) - there are no 2 pilots, 1 turbojet engine... we save on wages, service of the 1st turbojet engine, and there are no casualties when shot down.
    3. +2
      16 February 2024 17: 35
      if it won’t cross the LBS, then why this expensive toy?

      According to the conclusions of the author of the article:

      However, if you use the S-70 “Okhotnik” UAV against enemy air defense systems using ambush tactics to destroy our planes and helicopters over Russian territory, then potentially this will allow the RF Armed Forces to avoid very unpleasant losses.

      Whether over your own territory or over someone else’s, haven’t the Lancets proven themselves quite well in terms of destroying “camouflaged” Ukrainian firing points, and not just air defense systems, coupled with reconnaissance drones?

      A certain expert Peter Suchiu wrote about the S-70 back in August 2022, who predicted that the Russian military would possibly use the Okhotnik in the Northern Military District zone in 2023.

      And we must admit that his forecast partly came true. On June 27, 2023, reports appeared in the Turkish media that the Russian Armed Forces used the S-70 for the first time to strike military targets of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It was argued that this could have happened in the Sumy region. True, in support of their statement, they only cited a photograph of a UAV, more reminiscent of its silhouette.
  2. -2
    15 February 2024 05: 32
    Components, components! Whose are they? This is the main question!
    1. +2
      15 February 2024 06: 04
      Components, components! Whose are they? This is the main question!

      Why do you consider components to be the main issue? And what components? Microchips? I think this is not a question at all. The most important thing is when serial samples will appear that can be used in practice. I’m almost sure that if there is any use in this SVO, it will be only prototypes, and this will be done not by the army, but by the developers themselves. It will be unrealistic to transfer the "Hunters" to the army. I am proceeding from the terms of the SVO for 2024-25. If everything drags on for a decade, then complete rearmament cannot be ruled out, but I hope that those who do not will suffer sooner.
      1. -3
        15 February 2024 07: 44
        Quote from Andy_nsk
        Why do you consider components to be the main issue?

        Because without components, you can’t even make a paper airplane from a school notebook

        Quote from Andy_nsk
        Microchips? I don't think this is a question at all

        This is the most important question. What are you going to use to solder the chips? Transistors, tubes or relays?
        1. +9
          15 February 2024 08: 03
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          . What are you going to use to solder the chips?

          If you don’t see Russian-made microcircuits in a store or on Wildberries, this does not mean that they are not produced.
          It’s just that in terms of price and degree of integration, they cannot compete with their Chinese or Taiwanese counterparts. Moreover, the threat of hardware defects in foreign-made microcircuits is almost 100%.
          1. -6
            15 February 2024 08: 05
            Quote: Vita VKO
            If you don’t see Russian-made microcircuits in a store or on Valberis, this does not mean that they are not produced

            As far as I know, our microcircuits were produced in Taiwan. Now, for obvious reasons, we are denied Taiwanese assembly
            1. +12
              15 February 2024 08: 17
              Quote: Dutchman Michel
              As far as I know, our microcircuits were produced in Taiwan

              I don’t know what is included in the concept of “yours”. But chips for military-industrial complex enterprises, Russian aviation and Roscosmos are produced by dozens of enterprises in Russia
        2. +2
          15 February 2024 08: 10
          Because without components, you can’t even make a paper airplane from a school notebook

          Getting components for three prototypes is not a problem. And three dozen too. Firstly, we have a lot going on in Zelenograd. If desired, 90% of MS can be found in the Russian Federation and Belarus, the rest, with rare exceptions, can be bought without problems in Southeast Asia. The only thing that can cause problems is high performance processors. They will be needed for video processing, for example. However, no normal developer will start development until he has several boxes with the required configuration in his desk or warehouse. As a last resort, they now carry in suitcases the necessary equipment that is not produced in the country. They brought us, for example, Japanese photomultipliers and overseas electrodynamic high-precision accelerometers (which are used, for example, in navigation systems).
          1. -3
            15 February 2024 08: 11
            Quote from Andy_nsk
            Collect components for three prototypes

            Agree. For individual experimental production you can recruit, but for a large series?
            1. +4
              15 February 2024 08: 22
              For individual experimental production you can recruit, but for a large series?

              What do you call a major series? As far as I remember from my student years, large-scale production starts with tens of thousands of products. But this is out of the question. If my neighbors (I sit a few hundred meters from the Chkalov plant) manage to make at least three dozen “Hunters” and use them on LBS, they will cause me the greatest surprise and admiration. And I’m rarely surprised, especially in the professional field. And compared to this, is it really that difficult to bring a couple of boxes of processors from Taiwan or another Asian country? In my opinion, the tasks are not comparable in complexity.
              1. +1
                15 February 2024 08: 59
                Quote from Andy_nsk
                What do you call a major series?

                It depends on what to release. If there are 20 heavy transport aircraft per year, this is a large series. And if there are 20 bicycles, the batch is small

                Quote from Andy_nsk
                . If my neighbors (I am sitting a few hundred meters from the Chkalov plant) manage to make at least three dozen “Hunters” and use them on LBS, they will cause me the greatest surprise and admiration

                There is nothing to admire about such a small party. For example, quite recently there was information that our air defense shot down more than 12 thousand flying drones. Now, if our industry produced such batches, it would be simply wonderful. At least a year
                1. +2
                  15 February 2024 09: 21
                  For example, quite recently there was information that our air defense shot down more than 12 thousand flying drones. Now, if our industry produced such batches, it would be simply wonderful. At least a year

                  Well, you compared crummy quadcopters and a 25-ton heavy “Hunter”. If there were three dozen of them on the LBS and if they had guided high-precision missiles (including anti-location missiles), this would be a great help to our troops both in counter-battery warfare and in suppressing independent air defense. And our industry now produces much more copters than 12 thousand per year.
            2. +1
              15 February 2024 16: 04
              We thought that 120 Su-34s would be enough for the entire country, UZGA officially produces one outpost UAV per month. We only have large series of tanks, and that’s only by our standards, in the USSR they would laugh
        3. 0
          15 February 2024 20: 08
          As in the old joke:
          On an armored personnel carrier.
    2. KCA
      +3
      15 February 2024 07: 15
      The whole world lives on Chinese and Taiwanese components, NASA flies on scorched Chinese aircraft, you don’t care, but here is the S-70, and what is it made of? Question of questions
      1. -1
        15 February 2024 07: 48
        Quote: KCA
        The whole world lives on Chinese and Taiwanese components, NASA flies on burnt Chinese aircraft

        I only care about buying microchips under the sanctions imposed on us
        1. KCA
          0
          15 February 2024 07: 53
          At least 50% of components were imported bypassing the customs of the supplier and buyer; with the introduction of sanctions, the share of those imported through “parallel imports” could reach 99%, it doesn’t matter, I came across it, I know a little bit
          1. -2
            15 February 2024 07: 56
            Quote: KCA
            At least 50% of components were imported bypassing the supplier’s customs

            If we put aside the dependence of our production on imported components, the question immediately arises: how much will such products imported through intermediaries cost?
            1. KCA
              +1
              15 February 2024 08: 02
              Well, you’re funny, if it were more expensive than official procurement, who would have started doing this many, many years before any sanctions? Clearly the stump is cheaper, the computer case cost 11 dollars, but instead of the case in the box, processors cost half a million dollars, and customs fees for the case, well, this is one of the options that I saw
              1. +2
                15 February 2024 08: 08
                Quote: KCA
                Clear stump is cheaper

                Which badun is cheaper? In addition to the sanctions imposed on us, mattress covers are also putting pressure on ordinary manufacturers in China and Taiwan and on intermediary countries.
                1. KCA
                  +4
                  15 February 2024 08: 21
                  You are not familiar with Chinese business, crushing them is like running after every cockroach with a slipper, company i orders company s to produce 100 processors, they fulfill the order, but they have films and all other documentation, but why not? And they make another 000 processors, where do they go and at what price? If there is control from the customer, he gets on his paw and washes his paws
              2. 0
                16 February 2024 02: 40
                Quote: KCA
                Well, you’re funny, if it were more expensive than official procurement, who would have started doing this many, many years before any sanctions? Clearly the stump is cheaper, the computer case cost 11 dollars, but instead of the case in the box, processors cost half a million dollars, and customs fees for the case, well, this is one of the options that I saw

                And the very first information that some distributor has leaked dual-use products into the Russian Federation immediately goes to the USA and this distributor is demonstrably beaten. Its owner is landed in some country and there he is arrested at the request of the United States and taken away for trial.
                And it is very easy to determine by intelligence.
                Through OSINT tools and techniques.
                When designers start Googling information on the resulting chips and processors.
                This is already familiar.

                There's another problem here.
                The entire high-precision machine park was subject to sanctions, including spare parts. But the machines are controlled and they are one-piece. And why don’t you buy spare parts for them in the emirates or China. There, every machine counts and they know the history. And spare parts are addressed.
                And this affected not only the final aircraft assemblers, but also hundreds of their subcontractors.
                This is where there is no parallel import...
                And will not be
                1. KCA
                  +2
                  16 February 2024 08: 17
                  You rate the sanctions regime very highly, but the United States also imposes sanctions on China, for example, a ban on the sale of lithography equipment to it, but, nevertheless, China a year ago began mass-producing processors using the 5nm process technology, which machines made themselves?
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            3. +2
              15 February 2024 08: 36
              If we put aside the dependence of our production on imported components, the question immediately arises: how much will such products imported through intermediaries cost?

              When manufacturing several dozen products per year (at the ultra-high cost of aircraft and large UAVs), the cost of microcircuits imported from abroad can be neglected; it will be at the level of a few percent (I know from personal experience in the production of high-tech products). For ten rubles, traveling salesmen will bring so many processors that they will last for several years of production.
            4. +5
              15 February 2024 16: 07
              Take a look at the Yandex market, super sophisticated processors are at the level of an FPV drone. For a lancet (3 million rubles) they will ship you stacks of iPhones. There, all the money goes to shell companies created by the management
        2. +4
          15 February 2024 12: 29
          What do you think, what do Su-57, Su-35, S-400, S-500 and other types of military equipment, including military satellites, do with imported chips? Some ECU elements may not be ours, but there are definitely few foreign microcircuits there (if any). Especially microcircuits for harsh operating conditions - they have never been sold to us like this before, and especially not now.
          1. -1
            16 February 2024 02: 42
            Quote from shikin
            What do you think, what do Su-57, Su-35, S-400, S-500 and other types of military equipment, including military satellites, do with imported chips? Some ECU elements may not be ours, but there are definitely few foreign microcircuits there (if any). Especially microcircuits for harsh operating conditions - they have never been sold to us like this before, and especially not now.

            Imagine that the Sarmat intercontinental missiles contained imported elements. Yeah.
            It was even actually published on the Internet.
            And officially the delay in testing and production was stated as a lack of the element base, which became subject to sanctions.
            And the GLONASS satellites were also for a large number of percent based on the French element base....
            1. KCA
              0
              16 February 2024 08: 23
              There was a big scandal in the Pentagon when it turned out that in the space field they were using not just Chinese MSKs, but Chinese counterfeit ones, without clan or tribe, naturally without any certification, especially verification for space
            2. +2
              16 February 2024 10: 54
              Were. The GLONASS-M and GLONASS-K satellites have not been produced on imported electronic components for a long time; GLONASS-K2 has been developed, which has a predominantly domestic electronic component; the first one was launched last year. Work is underway; complete replacement is still a few years away.
              For the military and space, they also use processors from the "Commandiv" series, which are also used on the Su-35.
        3. 0
          24 March 2024 14: 57
          They were purchased a long time ago, they are in boxes and do not take up much space. That's not the point. And in the software. It's Russian, but it's not produced in Taiwan.
  3. +1
    15 February 2024 05: 56
    Someone may remember that the Kh-Z1PD PRR has a flight range of 180–250 kilometers

    And how many enemy air defense systems were destroyed by this missile during the 2 years of the conflict? The products are still raw. To be fair, it must be said that the American analogue also has big problems
    It is unlikely that in the foreseeable future S-70 Okhotnik UAVs will appear in the North Military District zone in significant quantities - most likely, these will be single copies.
    If it turns out to be significantly cheaper than the Su-34 and significantly less noticeable, then it may well become a good carrier of high-precision weapons that are launched from its own territory. We see that Su-34s are periodically ambushed and pilots are killed.
    Again, patrolling the western part of the Black Sea and fighting naval drones. Now it is not being carried out for fear of losing planes in ambushes.
  4. +3
    15 February 2024 06: 38
    In Ukraine, we need something more advanced, more widespread, and cheaper, maybe the Yak133 would be suitable, but after the first flights in 2018/19 it disappeared somewhere, perhaps the unmanned Su-75 (someday there will be another one). And the S-70 would look good on the Finnish border, but in Chukotka (the B-21 would quietly sob)
  5. 0
    15 February 2024 06: 46
    After launching a missile defense system against an enemy’s air defense system, the S-70 “Okhotnik” UAV can perform an evasive maneuver, going to low altitudes, in case the enemy has launched a missile defense system with an ARLGSN in its direction.

    Why such detail, what if the rocket has a TGS?
  6. 0
    15 February 2024 06: 52
    I saw something positive in the fact that the MIG-29 turbojet engine found a place in the Skat UAV.

    This choice of designers also rationally solves the issue of withdrawing this type of aircraft from the Air Force.
    RD-33 in MIGs is obviously already at the end of operation,
    but for the SVO it will do just fine - not a pity, but useful.
  7. 0
    15 February 2024 07: 05
    A UAV can patrol for much longer than a manned aircraft - presumably, the patrol duration of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV can be hours before 12, With the pilot will not get tired, because he is simply not there, and operators can work according to schedule
    Quite a significant advantage of all UAVs in general. And if you also try to use ascending currents in some cases, as all large birds and even glider pilots do in nature, then in this case the duration of flights can increase severalfold.
  8. +1
    15 February 2024 07: 39
    . if you use the S-70 Okhotnik UAV against enemy air defense systems that use ambush tactics to destroy our planes and helicopters

    How? Will he become a target himself? The application algorithm is interesting.
  9. +2
    15 February 2024 08: 18
    It is quite difficult to counter the ambush tactics of using air defense systems - the enemy secretly moves a long-range air defense system as close as possible to the LBS, then turns on the radar station (radar) for a short period of time, locks on the target, and launches an anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM). After hitting the target, the air defense system is folded up as quickly as possible and withdrawn from the LBS deep into the controlled territory.

    Didn’t they try to shoot down reconnaissance UAVs, jam reconnaissance equipment and destroy information sources that:
    A feature of the ambush tactics of using air defense systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is the receipt of information about the presence of a target in the affected area from third-party sources, for example, from reconnaissance assets of NATO countries or agents on Russian territory.

    Maybe it’s time to strengthen (after all, two years have passed since the start of the SVO) satellite constellation in the area where the SVO was conducted?
  10. BAI
    +2
    15 February 2024 08: 52
    It would be better to remain silent about him. Another wunderwaffle: Su-35, Armata, Kurganets, Su-57, Okhotnik.....Who's next? All in single “raw” copies for parades. In Soviet times, they were adopted and no one knew anything - secrecy. Now they just draw a squiggle on a piece of paper and it starts: “Another miracle weapon!!!! Hurray!!!!!”
    Correctly, Medvedev once besieged Rogozin: “Stop telling fairy tales about flights to Mars in 30 years, tell me why rockets are falling today.”
    1. 0
      15 February 2024 09: 32
      Quote: BAI
      In Soviet times, they were adopted and no one knew anything - secrecy.

      We have such devices, but we won’t tell you about them))))
      Quote: BAI
      It would be better to remain silent about him. Another wunderwaffle: Su-35, Armata, Kurganets, Su-57, Okhotnik.....

      The advertisement is engine of the trade. The Su-35 will not sell itself. And the military-industrial complex should pay for itself whenever possible. And it’s better to have a raw sample in a single copy than in a series like the F-35. No one is safe from “crude samples” either; just remember the long-suffering English and French aircraft carriers
      Quote: BAI
      Now they just draw a squiggle on a piece of paper and it starts: “Another miracle weapon!!!! Hurray!!!!!”

      If you don't advertise, you'll die of hunger. Welcome to the real world
    2. +1
      15 February 2024 12: 34
      Su-35 and Su-57 in single copies for parades? There are about one and a half hundred Su-35s, more than two dozen Su-57s, starting this year they will be equipped with a stage 2 engine. Sometimes it’s true, it’s better to remain silent than to talk (write) nonsense.
      1. +1
        15 February 2024 12: 57
        Let me clarify a little about the Su-35: more than one and a half hundred were produced, at least 120 aircraft were transferred to the Aerospace Forces (the rest were China, Iran).
      2. BAI
        -1
        15 February 2024 18: 53
        Su-35 about one and a half hundred

        Well, I confused it with the Su-47 - with a forward-swept wing
  11. +4
    15 February 2024 09: 09
    Well...we listened to Andryushenka's report...as always, informative and detailed! And they realized that the situation with the “Hunter” was like in the movie “Volga, Volga”!
    1. Tim
      +1
      15 February 2024 11: 01
      Vladimir, I almost fell laughing, it’s really like that with us laughing
  12. 0
    15 February 2024 09: 15
    UAVs are cheap now. This is reasonable, because UAVs should only be cheap, widespread and easily replaceable sensors for unified data collection and processing systems. That is, 10-50 UAVs are released into one area, they view this area from different heights, different angles, so that by integrating the pictures into a single one, they can break through any camouflage. The loss of a UAV is only the loss of one sensor out of many, and has no significance for combat operations.
    At the moment, impact UAVs have gained popularity. This direction seems promising only because there is a general degradation of our civilization, including the degradation of engineering and technology for many reasons. Of course, the means of detecting and destroying such UAVs (forced to descend on attack courses, despite the fact that the point of their meeting with the target is known) would have been developed long ago if we had twenty times more talented engineers and about a hundred thousand times fewer effective managers .
    The question, as usual, is money. It is very inconvenient to steal from small UAVs! Therefore, large, “inconspicuous” UAVs are being pushed through with all their might. SSS which are much more capable of stealing...
  13. 0
    15 February 2024 09: 27
    Can’t the X-31 be aimed at a counter-battery firing station like Amer’s AN/TPQ?
    1. +1
      15 February 2024 11: 05
      X-31s may be “redundant” and expensive for this! There is a very good PRR Kh-58USHKE(TP) with an additional television guidance system... It’s time to also equip the Krasnopol artillery shells with a passive radar seeker...as well as the warheads of MLRS rockets!
  14. +6
    15 February 2024 09: 38
    "The Hunter is approaching:.."
    Yeah, almost there. Since what year has it been getting closer and closer, otherwise I forgot?
  15. 0
    15 February 2024 11: 11
    The money burned in the oven. Equipment for parades only. This money could be invested in the production and training of people to fly FPV drones, the effect would be immediate.
    So we have another prototype and in a year we will be reading The Hunter Comes.
  16. 0
    15 February 2024 11: 44
    With such a service ceiling value, it is better to use it as a scout. It climbs to 18 km, flies along the border somewhere in the Baltics or Finland and looks a couple of hundred km into their territory.
    And once you’ve collected the information, you can hit them with missiles, but later.
    Heavy-duty drones are definitely first reconnaissance aircraft, and only secondarily strikers (because there are already so many different types of strike weapons. We would also have vehicles capable of climbing above 20 km, that would be very good.
  17. -1
    15 February 2024 14: 05
    In general, everything is classified, nothing is known, there are almost no products, but... monthly PR, someone needs to be reminded...
    There are vague suspicions that it may become outdated before it goes into production...
  18. 0
    15 February 2024 14: 13
    We need hundreds of such UAV hunters, then they will be formidable and strong. But single copies are not what is needed.
  19. 0
    15 February 2024 15: 12
    All the options for using the Hunter proposed by the author can also be handled by manned aircraft, there are AWACS aircraft, there are jammers, there are also PRR carriers. The Hunter, of course, will not be superfluous, but it will not play a noticeable role either. As an option for its appearance, the need to load the design bureau with work, retain qualified personnel, and not allow the equipment to stand idle. Well, let's see what will come out of this swarm called Hunter, now guess what.
  20. +2
    15 February 2024 16: 12
    The absence of electronic reconnaissance aircraft such as E-7, E-8 makes one fantasize. What could replace them? A project has turned up that has been sucking money out of the budget for a long time and is absolutely useless in its current state. It needs to continue to be developed to obtain certain competencies, while controlling the budget.
  21. -1
    15 February 2024 17: 57
    Maybe the S-70 "Okhotnik" UAV will finally start hunting? The prospects for its use have been broadcast from all domestic electric irons, not to mention the media... Maybe it will finally get down to real business in the Ukrainian theater of operations... "It will lend a shoulder" Russian Aerospace Forces, infantry, finally... We've heard about how "cool" it is in the skies of the test station at the Gromov Flight Research Institute and paired with the SU-57, there - we've heard about it. Let it show its splendor and the inevitability of decisions of its AI in the skies of Ukroreich....
    1. +1
      15 February 2024 20: 48
      No way! What if he gets shot down?! What if it falls?! Look, you see in the article - it’s small, expensive, and probably also bad at stealth. Better go straight to the museum
  22. DO
    -1
    15 February 2024 23: 52
    SAM Hunter
    Yes, the ceiling is 18 km, low visibility, and the carrying capacity is sufficient to carry an electronic reconnaissance antenna and anti-radar missiles, making the S-70 a good candidate for hunting down the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ air defense system.
    The “hunt” can be carried out by a pair of S-70s - one patrols towards a possible target, immediately launching a missile when it is detected, and the second at this time returns to the beginning of the reconnaissance patrol segment.

    The use of the S-70 Okhotnik UAV as a carrier of aerial bombs with UMPC can also be questioned.
    Well why not? The absence of a pilot, stealth, a ceiling of 18 km - these characteristics are well suited for a carrier of glide bombs. Well, the cost of the S-70, with the same production scale, should be significantly lower than that of a manned fighter-bomber (possibly more than 2 times) - due to one and not two engines, the bomb thrower does not need a radar, a dashboard, a seat a pilot with a catapult, the UAV by definition does not have a life support system, the pilot's manual controls are replaced with automation.
  23. 0
    16 February 2024 00: 07
    “The “Hunter” is approaching...” For how many years has he been “approaching”? hi And it still won’t “get closer”! fool
    They will make one for exhibitions and one for parades! Hooray! What great fellows we are! What a “best analogue” weapon we have! lol
  24. +1
    16 February 2024 02: 28
    Horror, not the article and its conclusions.
    Not a single Patriot in Ukraine was destroyed by the PRLR.
    Only OTRK.
    Several planes shot down by the Patriots over the territory of the Russian Federation did not receive the “target capture” alarm.
    And all because the 65 radar does not have a target acquisition mode.
    Doesn't have any at all.
    She doesn't need him.
    This radar, according to some sources, can also operate in LPI mode, which by the way was one of the reasons for replacing the 53rd radar with the 65th.
    Accordingly, Patriot, while detecting targets, and even working in LPI mode, and launching missiles, does not give itself away in any way.
    The missile travels along the inertial system and does not turn on its radar.
    As a result, the target aircraft does not notice the attack until the seeker is turned on on the missile defense system. And this will be no further than 5-7 km, when it is already too difficult to resist and perform an anti-missile maneuver.
    And even if the target aircraft changes course, then the transmission of correction signals to the missile defense system also occurs using the same LPI.
    You need to know enemy technology and study a lot of materials, including English ones.
    Analyze application experience.
    So far, at the moment, we do not have PRLR capable of capturing the Patriot’s radiation and accordingly destroying it.
    For some reason I think that we do not have RTR aircraft capable of recording the work of the Patriot.
    To be able to select LPI mode signals, you must have experience in your own operation of radars with this mode. But we don’t have that.
    Conclusion number 1: the concept of hunting the Patriots through the Hunter is useless.
    He himself will become the Patriot's prey.

    Only through agents and strikes with Iskanders and Daggers at the location.

    Second.
    Patriot is mobile.
    But not self-propelled.
    Its deployment/collapse takes at least 15-20 minutes. But in reality it’s only 30 minutes.
    Therefore, a Patriot detected in time must be destroyed by tactical missiles.

    The third.
    The concept of a large attack UAV "battlefield" has died completely over the past 2 years.
    Finally, for everyone.
    Fsyo.
    Hunter needs to be closed and funding redistributed to other purposes.
    He simply has no combat missions.
    And it doesn’t hang in the air for 12 hours.
    To do this you need to install a different engine. Commercial, economical. Type PD-4, PD-5. But we don’t have such and don’t plan to.
    1. DO
      0
      16 February 2024 03: 58
      Quote: SovAr238A
      For some reason I think that we do not have RTR aircraft capable of recording the work of the Patriot.
      To be able to select LPI mode signals, you must have experience in your own operation of radars with this mode. But we don’t have that.
      Conclusion number 1: the concept of hunting the Patriots through the Hunter is useless.
      He himself will become the Patriot's prey.
      Only through agents and strikes with Iskanders and Daggers at the location.
      But the Armed Forces of Ukraine also have other air defense systems, older and simpler, without noise-like broadband modulation of radar pulses and adaptive transmitter power (Low Probability of Intercept technology).
      Returning to LPI-Patriot. The launch point of the Patriot, Okhotnik air defense missile system from its height of up to 18 km can be determined by the trajectory of the infrared trace of the missile engine.
      How to manage to hit the Patriot before he is taken away? Develop a missile carrying an autonomous Lancet instead of a warhead (tuned to the optical and thermal image of the Patriot), and immediately launch a pair of such missiles from the Hunter into the anti-aircraft missile launch area. Where autonomous Lancets will independently search for and defeat air defense systems.
      And the Hunter will try to escape from an anti-aircraft missile, possibly directed specifically at him.

      Quote: SovAr238A
      Hunter needs to be closed and funding redistributed to other purposes.
      He simply has no combat missions.
      The S-70 stealth UAV with a ceiling of 18 km and good carrying capacity would be good in the SVO theater as a carrier of gliding bombs.
      Well, its main task can become very relevant - work on important enemy naval targets.
      1. +1
        16 February 2024 12: 43
        The launch point of the Patriot, Okhotnik air defense missile system from its height of up to 18 km can be determined by the trajectory of the infrared trace of the missile engine.

        The Patriot's launchers and radars can be separated over a considerable distance.
        1. DO
          0
          16 February 2024 13: 43
          Quote from solar
          The Patriot's launchers and radars can be separated over a considerable distance.
          But isn’t the task of destroying the Patriot launcher worth pursuing? And the probability of accidental detection of the radar by one of the kamikaze drones is not zero.
          And yes, perhaps, as a carrier of optical and infrared reconnaissance equipment, the long-loitering Orion UAV or its imported analogue is cheaper and more appropriate than the S-70.
          As a means of destruction, fast autonomous wing-type kamikaze drones with a mini-turbojet engine and a powder accelerator (for example, a redesigned Kub-UAV from Zala) can be used by the reconnaissance officer.
          Detection of LPI-radar reconnaissance UAVs is of course desirable, and such work is naturally necessary. But this is a difficult task with the effectiveness of the resulting solution unknown in advance, and it is hardly possible to solve it quickly. Here and now, the CBO requires a quick assembly of already working solutions.
          1. 0
            16 February 2024 13: 50
            And the probability of accidental detection of the radar by one of the kamikaze drones is not zero.

            The probability of accidental discovery is never zero. But a strategy of action is not based on this.
            1. DO
              0
              16 February 2024 13: 56
              Quote from solar
              The probability of accidental discovery is never zero. But a strategy of action is not based on this.
              Maybe you're right. And for the Patriot LPI radar, in the near future there is only one countermeasure -
              Quote from solar
              Only through agents and strikes with Iskanders and Daggers at the location.
          2. 0
            17 February 2024 10: 57
            Quote: DO
            Quote from solar
            The Patriot's launchers and radars can be separated over a considerable distance.
            But isn’t the task of destroying the Patriot launcher worth pursuing? And the probability of accidental detection of the radar by one of the kamikaze drones is not zero.
            And yes, perhaps, as a carrier of optical and infrared reconnaissance equipment, the long-loitering Orion UAV or its imported analogue is cheaper and more appropriate than the S-70.
            As a means of destruction, fast autonomous wing-type kamikaze drones with a mini-turbojet engine and a powder accelerator (for example, a redesigned Kub-UAV from Zala) can be used by the reconnaissance officer.
            Detection of LPI-radar reconnaissance UAVs is of course desirable, and such work is naturally necessary. But this is a difficult task with the effectiveness of the resulting solution unknown in advance, and it is hardly possible to solve it quickly. Here and now, the CBO requires a quick assembly of already working solutions.

            There is only one solution.
            Using a real self-driving UAV swarm. Designed specifically for suppressing air defense systems.
            Single UAVs that do not have a swarm system have no chance.
            1. DO
              0
              17 February 2024 11: 15
              Quote: SovAr238A
              There is only one solution.
              Using a real self-driving UAV swarm. Designed specifically for suppressing air defense systems.
              Single UAVs that do not have a swarm system have no chance.

              Who would argue. However, without an effective solution to the systemic task of reconnaissance and target designation + means of quickly delivering a swarm before the detected target has time to be taken away and camouflaged + simply delivering the swarm deep behind enemy lines if necessary, a swarm of UAVs by itself cannot solve any problems of destroying enemy air defense systems , no counter-battery combat against long-range artillery and MLRS, no tasks of isolating the enemy from supplies.
  25. -2
    16 February 2024 07: 31
    If something looks like a bomber, then it is a bomber. There is no need to invent anything. Of course, the range of weapons will be wider - the same drying 34 can easily kick off any fighter, although they are also “bombers”.
    1. +1
      16 February 2024 08: 13
      Quote from Dimm588
      the same dryers 34 can easily kick off any fighter, although they are also “bombers”.

      Which “any”? What is the detection range of the ancient Sh-141 fighter type target? Up to 90-100 km.
      The also quite outdated APG-68 radar on the Khokhlyatsky F-16 will see our aircraft at 150-180 km. Whoever notices and shoots first will win.
      There is no point in comparing with modern radars with AFAR on Western fighters of the latest generations.
      1. -3
        16 February 2024 08: 15
        Another adherent of the ancient F-16 and Western miracle weapons. Well, sleep on. Who am I to destroy your fairy tales, you will wake up yourself. Even your Arestovich has already woken up. How is your Avdeevka by the way? Although it is already more ours than yours.
        1. 0
          16 February 2024 08: 20
          Quote from Dimm588
          Another adherent of the ancient F-16 and Western miracle weapons. Well, sleep on. Who am I to destroy your fairy tales, you will wake up yourself. Even your Arestovich has already woken up. How is your Avdeevka by the way? Although it is already more ours than yours.

          Oh, he has crawled out again, painting everyone who does not share the general stupidity in Ukrainian colors. Clown.
          1. -3
            16 February 2024 08: 23
            Why are you then blazing like Russian gas stolen by hacks? You can’t write a single line without insults. Writing the truth is easy and pleasant. And you have 100% of comments either in support of the Kyiv thieves or against Russia. I don’t care who you are, if someone behaves like a bad guy, then it’s a bad guy.
            1. -1
              16 February 2024 08: 39
              Quote from Dimm588
              Why are you then blazing like Russian gas stolen by hacks? You can’t write a single line without insults. Writing the truth is easy and pleasant. And you have 100% of comments either in support of the Kyiv thieves or against Russia. I don’t care who you are, if someone behaves like a bad guy, then it’s a bad guy.

              Can you give an example about what is against Russia? Or for the Khakhlov?
              For me, Russia is not synonymous with “Putin” and his bunch of thieving friends who destroyed everything they could get their hands on, including the Army and Navy. They turned from athletes into dollar billionaires with foreign citizenship.
              And ordinary people are now trying to correct the fruits of their “activities” with their blood and money, endlessly purchasing everything for the Army. Did any of them sit down? No. He doesn't abandon his own. Rogozin, who was Deputy Prime Minister for the military-industrial complex, Chemezov - an ass, and simply his former colleague in the Office, Serdyukov, Shoigu, Ivanov? Will they answer for the murdered sons and fathers? For lost time?
              1. -3
                16 February 2024 08: 41
                I wonder how brightly you will blaze when the Russian Flag flutters over Avdiivka. Mm, I'm already looking forward to it!
                1. 0
                  16 February 2024 08: 50
                  Quote from Dimm588
                  I wonder how brightly you will blaze when the Russian Flag flutters over Avdiivka. Mm, I'm already looking forward to it!

                  I will only rejoice at the Russian flag over Avdeevka. And you go and put the pan on again out of habit, and turn on the first channel, they again most likely say something about “having no analogues”...
                  1. -4
                    16 February 2024 08: 52
                    Hahaha, that's great! It sounds like a Ukrainian woman telling Russians about a coffee grinder. I’ll tell you a “secret”: in Russia everyone has been on the Internet for a long time.
  26. -1
    16 February 2024 07: 32
    I don’t want to engage in Criticism, not seriously....
    But, I want to express my opinion, my concept of future “heavy” drones.
    1. Fighters.
    The flight speed of drones can only be limited by technical capabilities. There is no such factor as OVERLOAD. And also there is no need for a “heap” of different equipment. The catapult, oxygen supply, and the cabin itself.
    The aerodynamics of the airframe can be significantly improved.
    2. Scouts-Spotters.
    Loitering time, compared to manned ones, can be significantly longer.

    3. It is necessary to develop a UAV control system using AI, which also excludes interception of enemy control channels. What is needed, as I understand it, is a space group for control.
  27. -1
    16 February 2024 07: 58
    Another financial funnel and scam. Reconnaissance and attack drone with a jet engine. That says it all. Shoot and saw more money, not your own money, after all, the people’s, but the people don’t give a damn, the main thing is to show pictures about “no analogues” consistently.
  28. +1
    16 February 2024 17: 52
    prospects for the use of the heavy stealth UAV S-70

    He has no prospects - a waste of money at the moment...
    They only have to chase the Zusuls, where there is no modern air defense...
    And “throwing cast iron with a motor” from 100 km to the air defense zone and Su24 can...
    If, of course, they still make such cast iron...
    Dill with a piece of “floating shit” for “500 rubles” sinks ships...
    And we are cool - we fire hypersound...
    1. DO
      -1
      17 February 2024 12: 54
      Quote: Sedoy
      prospects for the use of the heavy stealth UAV S-70

      He has no prospects - a waste of money at the moment...
      ...And you can “throw cast iron with a motor” from 100 km to the air defense zone and Su24...
      The Su-24 has not been produced since 2009.
      Manned twin-engine tactical aircraft - carriers of glide bombs, which are produced today, WITH THE SAME SCALE OF PRODUCTION, will have more than twice the production cost of the S-70, which has one engine and lacks all systems associated with the pilot. Accordingly, the costs of operating simpler S-70 aircraft are lower. Plus, the S-70 does not require pilots and, accordingly, there are no losses of pilots, who are already in short supply, and there are no costs for the maintenance and training of pilots. The stealth nature of the S-70 on radar increases its comparative survivability.
      1. 0
        21 February 2024 11: 26
        will have

        That's the key word... :)
        All our news is based on this “being developed, will be, planned”, etc.
        And not a damn thing at the exit...
        Some exhibition semi-finished products...
        Because no science, no technology, no production...
        If it weren’t for the Soviet “galoshes”, then there would even be nothing to send to our own...
        1. DO
          0
          21 February 2024 11: 31
          Quote: Sedoy
          no shit on the way out...
          If we survive, we will see ...
  29. 0
    17 February 2024 10: 50
    Quote: Zaurbek
    So, offhand, in comparison with the Su34 (with UMPC) - there are no 2 pilots, 1 turbojet engine... we save on wages, service of the 1st turbojet engine, and there are no casualties when shot down.

    Now we calculate the costs for the second unmanned vehicle:
    1. Creation of a control center for such a drone. Believe me, this will be a complex costing at least 10-15 million dollars.
    2. Providing him with energy.
    3. Training for each UAV 2 teams of operators of 2-3 people each, to ensure round-the-clock readiness for departure. And patches for them.
    The operation of a UAV, in the form you imagine, is already becoming more expensive.

    And the most important thing.
    To control such a UAV, a global satellite communications system is needed. Powerful, with high throughput. Protected.
    Worth tens of billions of dollars. That is, tens of trillions of rubles.
    Which now simply does not exist in nature.
    1. DO
      0
      17 February 2024 13: 18
      Quote: SovAr238A
      Now we calculate the costs of... unmanned vehicles:
      1. Creation of a control center for such a drone. Believe me, this will be a complex costing at least 10-15 million dollars.
      2. Providing him with energy.
      3. Training for each UAV 2 teams of operators of 2-3 people each, to ensure round-the-clock readiness for departure. And patches for them.
      The operation of a UAV, in the form you imagine, is already becoming more expensive.

      And the most important thing.
      To control such a UAV, a global satellite communications system is needed. ...
      For the task of delivering glide bombs to a release point outside the affected area of ​​the Ukrainian Armed Forces' medium-range air defense system, S-70 UAVs can have fixed routes recorded in the memory of the on-board computer before the flight. For this, control operators and a communication channel are not needed; specialist programmers at the airfield are sufficient.
      If for operational purposes the S-70 will be operated in a controlled mode, then since the point of release of glide bombs is located above its own territory, repeaters - ground-based or UAV-based - will be sufficient to organize a communication channel. A satellite network is not needed here, and the RF Armed Forces do not have one for such a purpose.
  30. 0
    18 February 2024 08: 44
    A strange proposal for the use of... this toy. In my opinion, for duty near the LBS it would be much cheaper and more effective to use... balloons equipped with reconnaissance equipment! If you use a hunter, it will be to destroy important “strategic” targets and objects!
  31. 0
    27 March 2024 22: 29
    But I don’t think I should make 3-ton FABs and Siali for them. UMPC don’t make wings for such heavy ones, but from a drone over a target they can drop just that.
  32. 0
    1 May 2024 08: 31
    Mitrofan, don’t write all sorts of nonsense about this drone for ten years, like fairy tales are told