For the Su-35 we are waiting for the Su-57!

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For the Su-35 we are waiting for the Su-57!

An-124 at Tehran Merkhabad airport. Atlaskhabar Photos

Yes, thanks to our readers for paying attention to our partner Iran. And there in the media there are very lively discussions on the topic of supplies from Russia. A news portals (TABNAK, Atlaskhabar, Shahrekhabar) very sublimely called the “Day of Dawn” the next arrival of the An-124 aircraft belonging to the Russian Aerospace Forces at Merkhabad airport, one of the two airports in Tehran.

The specifications of the cargo have not been disclosed, but the militaristic part of the Iranian audience (and in fact, few people there claim to be compared with the dove bird of peace) expresses great hope that the Russian giant’s hold contains vehicle kits for Su-35 fighters.



At one time, the Iranian Ministry of Defense informed the country's citizens that the first of 67 ordered Russian aircraft would soon begin to arrive. The reaction was more than warm, especially on resources where an audience similar to ours gathers. Especially among fans aviation. And when the first ones arrived under their own power...


Here you just need to understand what the Iranian Air Force is. In one word, everything is very bad.


The last arrival of aircraft to the Iranian Air Force occurred 33 years ago, when Iraqi Air Force aircraft flew into the country, which the pilots wanted to save from destruction by coalition forces during Operation Desert Storm. Thus, the Iranian Air Force was replenished with MiG-29 (36 units), Su-25 (10 units), Su-24 (24 units), Dassault Mirage F1 (10 units). Today, the value of these aircraft, which were previously operated by the Iraqi Air Force, is more than doubtful due to their age and resource consumption.

The main backbone of the Iranian Air Force is the F-14 Tomcat, produced in the 70s of the last century. The planes are very good for their time, but just as old as the Iraqi ones. We will not talk about the value of the F-4 Phantom II (the most recent one was released in 1981) and the F-5 Tiger II (the most recent one was produced in 1986), since we all understand perfectly well: the Iranian Air Force is far from the best air force, not to mention world, in the region.

The Iranian military, while the country was isolated, did not give up trying to create their own aircraft. However, developing an airplane is much more difficult than a ballistic missile, and while the Iranians frankly succeeded in the latter, they absolutely failed with airplanes.

First HESA "Azarakhsh" was built, then HESA "Shafaq". Both aircraft were the fruits of reverse engineering of the American F-5 aircraft and were manufactured in small series of less than 10 units. The last bitter experience of HESA “Kowsar” was so unsuccessful that the car did not even go into small production.


All attempts to indirectly copy the American F-5 were unsuccessful, which set the Iranian Air Force back to where it was in the 80s.

So the Iranians were left to improve their UAVs and ballistic missiles, where they achieved decent success, and the Shahed generally revolutionized the tactics of modern warfare.

Any advanced reader will already ask the question: why doesn’t Iran buy planes externally? But everything is not easy here: at one time it was more expensive to buy Iranian oil due to the sanctions imposed by the West. Moreover, the sanctions concerned not only the purchase, but also the sale of something to Iran; in general, the United States very effectively twisted the country into a ram’s horn, practically prohibiting any cooperation in the military sphere.

Everyone knows that China is very friendly towards Iran and Pakistan, and Pakistan is generally a strategic partner of China, but if Chinese weapon is flowing, but it didn’t work out that way with Iran. Many primary and secondary sanctions stopped even China from wanting to help, and things did not go beyond single deliveries of Chengdu J-7 (MiG-21) training units.


And only in 2020-2021, when there was simply nowhere to fall further, Iran resumed negotiations with Russia, which also suffered from Western sanctions imposed in an assortment. And as a result, in 2022, a semi-informal gentlemen’s agreement on mutual assistance was concluded between the two countries. On a good neighborly basis, as it became clear. Sometimes it really isn't necessary to cover every step in a relationship with signed documents.

In general, Iran was lucky because around the same time Egypt began the process of withdrawing from the Su-35 deal concluded in 2018. The bottom line is this: Egypt ordered 24 Su-35 aircraft, but the deal was actually thwarted by the United States, promising to supply 20 F-35 aircraft. And the F-35 deal, in turn, was blocked by Israel, which did not need such a neighborhood at all and had the right to do so under the terms of the Camp David deal.

As a result, CAATSA - Countering America's Opponents through Sanctions ("Act of Countering America's Adversaries through Sanctions") hit not only Russia, but also Egypt, which will now have to be content with its American-French-Chinese-Russian zoo in the Air Force. A US federal law passed in July 2017 under the Trump administration aimed at providing the United States with legal tools to impose sanctions against "destabilizing activities of the Iranian, Russian and North Korean regimes" left Egypt without both the Su-35 and the F-35.

But Iran got a chance to take back the planes already produced under the Egyptian contract and those that will be produced. All. And, naturally, he will take not only 24 Egyptian ones, but also those that will be manufactured under the Iranian contract. That is, another 45 aircraft.

But this topic is not quick and complicated, and here’s why: personnel. Yes, there is such an obstacle on the way to heaven, and it is called preparation. In April 2022, a small team of very professionally (according to the Iranian side) trained pilots arrived in Russia. To the city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

In general, the pilots had to study the Su-35 and evaluate it in terms of the possibility of use in the Iranian Air Force. It’s hard to say who examined whom more, but the Iranian aces, who were still flying Phantoms, themselves took the exam on a 21st century machine. And, it should be noted, both groups of participants, both people and planes, survived.

To say that Iranian pilots liked the Su-35 is an understatement. But what can we say if the most modern fighter in the Iranian Air Force is the MiG-29 of the first production? Of course, the 35th looked like a killer monster from a horror movie in comparison, so a lot of positive reviews are quite expected.

And in November last year, when the deal on the Su-35 was practically finalized, representatives of the Iranian Air Force began talking about purchasing Mi-28MNE helicopters for the IRGC Air Force. But in general, the appetites of the Iranian military extend to the figure of 120 aircraft, and helicopters will also be attached to them.

Will Russia make aircraft for Iran? Certainly. In general, this union of two outcasts is a useful thing for both sides. First of all, military orders from outside are useful for Russia; they have a beneficial effect on the economy, bringing customers’ money into it. Especially today, when, on the one hand, there are a lot of orders from VKS, and the same money is circulating in the budget. We need an influx.

As for Iran, everything is clear: the first normal renewal of the aircraft fleet in more than 40 years is serious. Considering the fact that the aircraft fleet is being renewed, even more so. In general, Iranian pilots can be congratulated from the bottom of our hearts, because getting the most modern fighter of the “4++” generation at their disposal is a very strong move. And considering the state of the Iranian Air Force, the strength is multiplied by two.

And here we need to take into account one more factor: to be honest, I didn’t find any information about what they hang in Iran under the wings of their planes, but I am 100% sure that this is far from the most modern weapons. And if we talk about the normal operation of the Su-35, then in addition to the usual technical consumables, you will also need appropriate weapons! Missiles from the 70s of the last century on the Su-35 are like riding a Ferrari to the wholesale market to buy vegetables. It’s possible, and there’s a lot of show-off, but there’s absolutely no effectiveness.

The Iranian Air Force still has the same problem: frankly ancient aircraft have frankly decrepit weapons. And here again there is a breakthrough: Russia will probably supply the Su-35 with something like the R-37 and R-73, otherwise this will not be a friendly deal, but who knows what.


It turns out to be a situation of “carrying - not dragging,” because in addition to aircraft, Iran will have to carry a full set of consumables, spare parts, send technicians and engineers who will train Iranian technicians and engineers, without this, the whole idea is doomed to failure. That is, before pilot training and full operation begin, an entire training program will have to be carried out and a decent chunk of the aircraft’s service life will be burned up.

But the game is worth the candle. And Tehran understands this very well, and (which is generally not typical of the Persians) is ready to wait, calmly and patiently, for Russia to provide all this. Understanding that Russia now has certain difficulties.

And let’s think for a second, who besides the United States should be offended by the appearance of three aviation fighter regiments in the Iranian Air Force? Well, yes, that’s right, Israel should think about it. It is very difficult to predict the result of a collision between an Iranian Su-35 and an Israeli F-35 Agir. Of course, on the Israeli side there are very high-quality pilots with full combat experience, and the plane is quite good, but no one is saying that Iranian pilots will directly rush to settle scores with the Israelis. Simply delivering another blow to Iranian advisers in Syria will be a little more difficult than before.

But the Israeli military should no longer think about the Su-35. The capabilities of this aircraft, in principle, are already known to everyone in the world, and the military operations in Ukraine only confirmed the reputation of a very formidable fighter.

But it is known that appetite comes with eating. Back in 2018, the Iranian military was very interested in the progress of work on the Su-57. Considering that the aircraft underwent full testing in Syria and Ukraine, where it showed all its strengths, it is doubtful that this interest has waned.

Considering some similarity in the equipment of the aircraft and weapons systems, the Iranians do not hide the fact that the Su-35 could become a kind of springboard to the Su-57. And here it’s also interesting, especially if you remember the Russian-Indian joint project on the Su-30. And Iranian orders are what can push the entire Su-57 program and make the aircraft cheaper in mass production. Accordingly, it is beneficial for both Russia and Iran.

And this will be a completely different scenario, and then Israel will have to think very hard. The F-35 in their design may be an excellent aircraft (who knows, it has never really fought with anyone except the Palestinian infantry), but the Su-57 may turn out to be at least no worse, and even better.


In general, understanding the relations between the two countries, we can expect combat tests of both aircraft somewhere in the skies over Syria.

But this is the scenario of the future. However, the future is such a peculiar thing, it can come. And for some in the future, the alliance between Iran and Russia is a very unpleasant thing, since the two countries will not only be able to support each other in all areas of cooperation, but they will also definitely become an example for those who are hesitant and are watching the US reaction very carefully. Apparently, soon the United States will no longer care about everything that is happening in the world; its internal problems are multiplying there like cockroaches.

In Iran, the first delivery of Russian fighters was called very pathetically: “Day of Dawn.” Good title, it's really a start.
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  1. -9
    13 February 2024 04: 29
    Or maybe we give them SU 35, and they give us a couple of special forces regiments of theirs?
    1. KCA
      -7
      13 February 2024 06: 59
      Why shelves? Enough female special forces of the IRGC, half of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which is rear-wheel drive, will immediately run away
    2. +1
      13 February 2024 08: 47
      I wonder why you were downvoted? What's wrong with exchanging iron for people? What's wrong if strangers die instead of our guys? Probably those who minus no one is fighting in Ukraine.
      1. +9
        13 February 2024 09: 15
        What's wrong if strangers die instead of our guys?

        the problem is that no one is particularly eager to die “for money”, especially in a foreign country, especially when geostrategists do not have clear goals...
        1. +7
          13 February 2024 17: 16
          the problem is that no one is particularly eager to die “for money”

          Nobody wants to die at all.
          But to fight.
          Taking into account even my very narrow circle of acquaintances, among ours I will tell you a dozen people I know who went. Most are for money. Only one per idea. The idea is that I, who have DB experience and have nothing to lose, are better than some kid.
          But the Iranians are a slightly different story.
          IRGC is IRGC. Ideal guys. If they say to beat America in Ukraine with the Russians, then they will go. This is not the first time they have done this outside their native Persia.
          1. +4
            13 February 2024 21: 25
            For Iranians to fight in a war that is foreign to them is not a good idea. I admit the presence of volunteers, but again, ideological Iranians are usually hardline Islamic extremists. To fight with infidels, in the same trench with other infidels... Don’t think that the Persians and Russians are “brothers forever.” This is only a temporary travel companion.
            1. +3
              14 February 2024 12: 09
              Don’t think that Persians and Russians are “brothers forever”

              I didn’t write that, you’re making it up.
              Iran remembers very well who armed Hussein.
              The IRGC continues to fight in Syria, at a minimum.
              Syria is not Iran. From the word absolutely.
              Syrians are not Shiites, in the majority.
              What are the IRGC soldiers doing in Syria?
              They persecute democrats, scare Jews.
              The more Americans send weapons to Ukraine, the less they send to the Middle East and East Asia. Which could have a beneficial effect on Iran's military successes.
              1. 0
                16 February 2024 09: 54
                English tarantas
                Who armed Hussein? In addition to the USSR, USA and France. The USSR is long gone. Yes, Iran once opposed the USSR. But times are not the same. Iran understands perfectly well with whom it needs to be “friends” now. Usual political pragmatism, and nothing personal.
                What is the IRGC doing in Syria? Don’t forget that Bashar al-Assad is holding on not only thanks to the help of Russia, but also thanks to Iran. Iran prefers to drive barmalei on foreign territory rather than on its own. And the Iranians are not “barmalei”! They also have problems with barmalei - recent terrorist attacks have shown this.
                And don’t forget that Iran is the oldest country in the world, older than Russia, and almost as ancient as China. And they consider themselves the heirs of the greatest ancient empire. Hence the imperial policy. At least on the scale of the Middle East
                1. +1
                  16 February 2024 13: 50
                  And who speaks badly about Iran?
                  People live in an ordinary country, almost an ordinary state.
                  Theocracy is true. You wouldn't like it, really.
                  Iran is the oldest country in the world

                  Well, don’t talk nonsense. Firstly, a country is not a state.
                  Secondly, where are the ancient civilizations, and where is our time? Moreover, today's Persians are descendants of Indo-Europeans, and those on the lands of ancient Iran are newcomers. Like the Arabs and ancient Egypt, and the Brahmins and the first civilizations of India.
                  How do you connect this? Transfer of some special energy from the territory? It smells like obscurantism.
                  And thirdly, Iran today is a theocratic state, an Islamic republic.
                  We know the attitude of Islam towards antiquities. The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, did not favor paganism, to put it mildly, and so did the traditional culture of the Indo-Iranians.
                  Zoroastrians are still more or less alive, but they have had a blast with monotheism and the people of the scripture.
                  Hence the imperial policy.

                  Yeah, whoever was overthrown became that.
                  More like a caliphate than imperialism.
                  1. 0
                    16 February 2024 17: 55
                    English tarantas
                    Theocracy is true. You wouldn't like it, really
                    I don’t care)) Here in Russia, God’s law is also being implemented in schools)) And nothing, we live))

                    where are the ancient civilizations, and where is our time... the current Persians are descendants of the Indo-Europeans, and those on the lands of ancient Iran are newcomers. Like the Arabs and ancient Egypt, and the Brahmins and the first civilizations of India
                    You like to “think for others” without being interested in their opinions. The Arabs somehow have no doubt that their ancestors lived in the current territories from the 7th century, or even earlier. Neither Hindus, nor even more so Iranians, doubt the antiquities of their country.
                    From the point of view of the Ice Age, everyone is an alien))) And Iran (Persia) is the oldest country, and the oldest state, which almost did not lose its statehood for thousands of years. So what if there were conquerors? Where were they not?
                    And certainly older than your beloved Israel. By the way, Jews everywhere, except perhaps Iraq, are also newcomers, including the territory of present-day Israel - this is even written in their holy books)) And in Persia there were already luxurious palaces when Moses and Abraham were not even in the project.

                    We know the attitude of Islam towards antiquities
                    Yeah, in the completely Islamic Iraq of Saddam Hussein there was a grandiose museum of Babylon, and the “freedom fighters” came under a striped flag and took the museum to pieces. This is bad Islam
                    And have you been to the Cairo Museum? No? And I was! One of the most famous museums in the world, by the way, in a completely Muslim country!
                    And in completely Muslim Turkey, in the Museum of Islam (!), they keep the footprint (!) of Abraham and his staff (!) next to the sword of the Prophet.

                    Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, did not favor paganism, and so did the traditional culture of the Indo-Iranians
                    And who and where favored paganism? What, the Jews complained? Orthodox? Catholics?

                    Zoroastrians still live more or less... monotheism... people of the scripture
                    Is it okay that dualism? The eternal struggle between Ahuramazda and Ahriman? And what kind of “scripture”? The Arabs called the Bible (Torah) “Scripture”. And the Zoroastrians have the Avesta. Zoroastrians have always been respected in Iran because of their decency and high moral character.
                    1. 0
                      16 February 2024 19: 49
                      It's not even funny. You are wrong in literally every paragraph.
                      So confident in their ignorance.
                      Yes, God is your judge)
                2. 0
                  21 February 2024 09: 59
                  About the “antiquity” of China, people who know and understand only chuckle with a grin! laughing
            2. +2
              14 February 2024 22: 16
              Quote: Amin_Vivec
              Iranians are usually hardline Islamic extremists. To fight with infidels, in the same trench with other infidels... Don't think that the Persians and Russians are “brothers forever.” This is only a temporary travel companion.

              Weren't the same Iranians and Russians in Syria destroying the actual extremist called ISIS? same ISIS that you Jews were treating in your hospitals?
              If the Iranians are so extremist, why were they on the side of orthodox Armenians against the fellow Shia Azerbaijani?
              Iranians are the opposite of what can be called extremists. They invented the concept of religious freedom 2500 years ago. We are tired of you Zionist propagandists poisoning everyone's minds. you are at the center of all war with the hands of US, who you are controlling like a pet
              1. +2
                16 February 2024 10: 05
                persian
                I have an opinion that Iran is a normal modern country. Iran has the same enemies, as Russia. There are the USA and his satellites.
                It is a big reason for friendship and mutual cooperation Iran and Russia.
                It's very profitable for us. I also think that mentality of Iranians is similar as Russians. We are kindred peoples)))
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            3. +5
              16 February 2024 09: 46
              Amin_vivec
              Considering Iranians to be Islamic extremists, like ISIS, is a big mistake! Iran today is far from what it was during Khomeini's time. More likely, something like the late USSR, where instead of communist ideology there is Islam. Quite normal guys.
              And the military are professionals. As for pilots and special forces, they are generally the elite. In such a country, the army is the place where you can make a good career and get good money! So, if the party... the Ayatollah sends, they will go to Ukraine and wherever else they say. And the infidels for them are the West and everyone who is on its side.
              If you are not aware, then in Iran there is a Christian community, and Zoroastrians, and even, attention! Jewish community! And no one is persecuting them, because they are “their own”
          2. 0
            April 12 2024 20: 36
            IRGC is IRGC. Ideal guys. If they say to beat America in Ukraine with the Russians, then they will go.
            As the speaker said above, for this, our geostrategists must have the position NOT of Leopold the cat. Otherwise, half of our state fools are secretly ready to sell them “hotly” for overseas niceties, and the second wants to, but suffers from impotence. And who will fit in with such people?
        2. +1
          13 February 2024 18: 25
          Well, let the geostrategists learn from the Mars strategists... or from the Saturn strategists... what's the problem?
        3. +1
          14 February 2024 14: 44
          Quote: Vladimir80
          the problem is that no one is particularly eager to die “for money”, especially in a foreign country, especially when geostrategists do not have clear goals...

          I think that for the North Korean guys this is not a problem at all and there is little that scares them in this situation.
      2. +5
        13 February 2024 13: 52
        Probably because it's stupid?
    3. +3
      13 February 2024 10: 12
      No one will provide special forces, but a dozen installations (with calculations) for launching medium-range missiles (all of yours have been cut, but you can’t make a new one in 5 minutes) would greatly diversify the life of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in remote areas.
      1. +2
        13 February 2024 17: 09
        Quote: wlkw
        No one will provide special forces, but a dozen installations (by calculations) for launching medium-range missiles

        I wonder why the Tochka-Us we have
        a lot, haven’t used it against 404 yet?
        1. -3
          13 February 2024 18: 27
          withdrawn from service. or are you no longer interested?
          1. +3
            14 February 2024 14: 45
            Quote: Moscow speaks
            withdrawn from service. or are you no longer interested?

            So nothing prevents you from putting it back. Moreover, the treasures are full of them.
            1. +2
              14 February 2024 16: 11
              Quote: Gritsa
              So nothing prevents you from putting it back. Moreover, there are plenty of them in warehouses.

              I think so too. Moreover, everyone in NATO is disposing of their missiles
              on 404, but ours are being stored for now. Apparently there is some kind of plan.
              Quantity in warehouses under 10K. It's a lot. And you don't need to buy it.
            2. +2
              16 February 2024 10: 28
              Grits
              That's just the point, it's getting in the way! And this is not “toxicity”, but elementary pragmatism.
              Let's start with the fact that, unlike Iskanders, Points are easily shot down in flight by the air defense systems that 404 has. The flight range is short, no one will shoot at the front edge, therefore any Point in a position is immediately substituted for the response of 404.
              Removing from service does not mean putting it on a shelf somewhere! All equipment for maintenance is also removed, simulators are removed from classrooms, and all documentation is handed over to the archives. Training and regular calculation exercises are stopped.
              The equipment that is located at the storage bases also becomes unusable. No one will watch and look after her as much as a “combatant.” Most likely, everything is in the open air. But an air defense system is not a tank that you can simply take from the base, refuel and go (and even then, this does not always work out - repairs may be required).
              Returning them to service is the same as putting new equipment into service. Is it necessary?
              Would you say that there are probably still servicemen left who remember how to work it? Have you ever driven an old car? It may be well-groomed and in good condition, but still, it’s no longer a cake. Same thing with weapons antiques.
              1. 0
                25 February 2024 23: 26
                bro - don't throw pearls before swine.
                Here they don’t like literate people; idiots crush them in droves. at least - for the same explanations I am downvoted with the zeal of pig dogs walking into manure
          2. 0
            25 February 2024 23: 20
            I don’t understand, don’t stupid people know that solid fuel rockets have an expiration date for safe operation?
            1. 0
              25 February 2024 23: 23
              Question to the admins, why are my comments not posted in full version?
              and yes - this is not a one-time accident, this happens regularly.
        2. +1
          14 February 2024 09: 27
          As they say, they are "toxic". The Armed Forces of Ukraine did a lot of provocations with them, when they shot at peaceful cities and tried to push everything onto us. But since we did not use them (there is not a single real confirmation), this topic came to naught.
          We probably have them in storage, but there’s no point in using them now. The production of missiles and UAVs has been established, the effectiveness of old warheads is unclear, but it’s easy to run into provocations. Do we need it?
          1. +2
            14 February 2024 16: 15
            Quote: wlkw
            The Armed Forces of Ukraine did a lot of provocations with them, when they shot at peaceful cities and tried to push everything onto us.

            To me, the lives of our guys are more important than the risk of provocations.
            The fact that they were developed for tactical nuclear weapons and the accuracy is not
            too high, that's understandable. But there are cassettes there. hi
    4. +3
      14 February 2024 23: 30
      Quote: Aerodrome
      Or maybe we give them SU 35, and they give us a couple of special forces regiments of theirs?

      iran only need this fighter jet for dogfights with enemy fighter if it was necessary but not fo it own operations
      Why are fighter jets being used in the first place?
      Why don't we use land-based missiles instead of fighter jets for precision attacks?
      There are two kinds of missiles: cruise missiles, which are accurate but lack range, and ballistic missiles, which are almost limitless in range but have very poor accuracy.
      Fighter jets are used to deliver precision attacks with air-launched cruise missiles.
      But why did they have to be air-launched?
      Cruise missiles can't be long-range due to a problem known as "the tyranny of the rocket equation." For range, you require fuel. Fuel increases the weight, which decreases the range. So the answer they came up with was to move the missile close enough to the target with an aircraft, then launch the cruise missile. and for longer range they made aircraft carrier to move the fighter jet closer to target
      But why don't we make ballistic missiles as accurate as cruise missiles to eliminate the need for fighter jets and aircraft carriers?
      The ballistic missile that could go long range had a problem of its own known as "REENTRY PLASMA EFFECTS" which happens When slamming air particles into each other as fast as a reentering object does, the extreme heat from all this friction raises the temperature of the air so high that the gas becomes ionized, forming essentially a cloud of plasma around the outer surface of the craft in the reentry phase that interrupt the radio communications between a vehicle and ground station.
      In simple terms, you can't guide it. Therefore, long-range ballistics are only used for nukes that lack of accuracy isn't an issue.
      So obviously, when Iran announced that they somehow developed ballistic missiles with pinpoint accuracy, everyone dismissed it as propaganda. Even after Iran released the footage of a ballistic missile hitting the target with pinpoint accuracy,. Iran was accused of Photoshopping, despite the lack of any evidence to suggest the footage was altered. But after the attack on the US air base that all missiles achieved bullseye, everyone had to accept the fact that, just like the Persians were the only ones with Damascus steel technology, now they repeated similar unachievable technology. Uzi Robbin, the father of Israel's missile defense, said this in reaction to Iran's pinpoint ballistic missile. "By pushing a button, they were able to accomplish a task that we need to risk the lives of pilots and costly fighter jets to do the same. and they probably were under air conditions when they pushing the button"
      Conclusion: iran doesn't need any aircraft or aircraft carrier to diliver precision attacks
  2. +7
    13 February 2024 04: 42
    The "Day of Dawn" for Iran will begin when Israel disappears from the world map. This will be a real dawn!
    1. -14
      13 February 2024 07: 57
      So, why did the state of Israel so annoy you personally? hi
      1. +13
        13 February 2024 08: 34
        It kills the children of Palestine, as the German Nazis once did and as the Ukrainian Nazis do against the children of Russia.
        1. -10
          13 February 2024 08: 55
          Are Hamas and other Hezbollah bandits killing Israeli children or is it something else?
          1. +7
            13 February 2024 09: 10
            So is it okay to kill Palestinian children?
            1. -6
              13 February 2024 09: 13
              And the “comrades” Jews, unlike us, have learned the lessons of history and they don’t care much about the “tears of children” if they are not their children and they do everything so that their children do not cry. BUT this is not a discussion for this article. But I’ll ask you, too, what did the state of Israel do to you personally, are you a Palestinian?
              1. 0
                13 February 2024 11: 44
                Israel was a state created at the expense of J.V. Stalin after WW2, and so you slept through your state back when Rome existed.
              2. +9
                13 February 2024 13: 35
                Quote from AdAstra
                And the “comrades” Jews, unlike us, have learned the lessons of history and they don’t care much about the “tears of children” if they are not their children and they do everything so that their children do not cry. BUT this is not a discussion for this article. But I’ll ask you, too, what did the state of Israel do to you personally, are you a Palestinian?

                As you know, Russian people are worried about the very injustice happening in the world. And from your point of view, as you said, the Jews have learned their lessons, does this mean that after tens of thousands of deaths of children in the Gaza Strip (not in the last period, but in general since the creation of this reservation), the Arabs should also learn a lesson and make sure that the Arabs have children ever died from Israeli bombs? After all, this is logical, first some nations learn and then others? Or is it something else?
                1. 0
                  13 February 2024 17: 28
                  Or is it another?

                  There are no right and no wrong in this conflict.
                  This trouble is two thousand years old, and the culprits can no longer be found.
                  How many Jews did the Romans slaughter because they did not want to submit to Rome? How many Christians when we were just a new Jewish sect? How many later did Christians themselves kill Jews because their ancestor had once betrayed Christ?
                  Every people has the right to live, to live on their own land, and to live in peace.
                  But people like you don’t care much about you. For all your arguments, you continue to blame and stigmatize only Jews.
                  Ours are grinding down the cities of Ukraine and the Ukrainians themselves, because they continue to fight on the side of their fascist government. The Jews continue to bomb Gaza because they continue to give shelter to Hamas, which continues to kill Jews in their country.
                  But some are fascists, and others are anti-fascists.
                  Decide who is who here, and you will finally decide whether you are an anti-Semite or a human being.
                  1. +4
                    13 February 2024 18: 35
                    Forgive me for being so stupid, I would like more details - but at what point does each nation begin to consider an abstract territory their land? I just don’t understand what to do with those peoples who were genocide to zero by peoples who now have the right? who gave them this right and took it away from others? who should be considered a people, and who should be considered a piss from the same population living in a single territory? there are thousands of questions, but open the chakras, at least to the questions posed. enlighten the stupid - smart ones
                  2. +1
                    13 February 2024 21: 43
                    You gave the analogy of Russia-Ukraine - Israel-Palestine;
                    Please continue it:
                    Russians have become second-class citizens in Ukraine, Russia has come to the defense.
                    Palestinians are also second-class citizens in Israel, Hamas came to the defense.
                    Ukraine does not selectively destroy residents of the DPR, LPR, and peaceful cities.
                    Israel does not selectively kill Gazans.
                    Hamas is waging guerrilla warfare, Israel is carrying out punitive actions.
                    DPR, LPR, Kharkov Odessa underground fighters - Nazi punitive detachments...
                    Go ahead, it's easy.
                  3. +3
                    13 February 2024 23: 01
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    Ours are grinding down the cities of Ukraine and the Ukrainians themselves, because they continue to fight on the side of their fascist government. The Jews continue to bomb Gaza because they continue to give shelter to Hamas, which continues to kill Jews in their country.
                    But some are fascists, and others are anti-fascists.

                    But there is no need to compare the incomparable; ours do not mix tens of thousands of children and women with concrete through carpet bombing. And given the difference in the scale of hostilities, there would have been millions of civilian casualties in Ukraine if Russia had fought like the IDF. After all, all the talk is about this - about the genocide that Israel is committing in Gaza. Stop your cheap tricks, your rhetoric is an insult to the Russian soldier, who often gives his life for civilians, no matter whose.
                    1. -6
                      14 February 2024 12: 31
                      incomparable

                      tens of thousands of children and women

                      So for you the category for comparison is quantity, not quality?
                      Gaza is 1 urban agglomeration.
                      In Ukraine, dozens of settlements have been turned into mush as a result of the Northeast Military District.
                      Yes, fewer civilians died in Ukraine. But now I’m wondering, after what number do you talk about genocide?
                      And there is no need to focus on children and women here. This is a move for housewives.
                      Ukrobenderites are hiding in residential buildings. Civilians are dying.
                      Hamas is hiding in a residential area. Civilians are dying.
                      The Ukrainians declared the ATO in 2014, when part of the country decided to secede from them, they defended the country’s borders, and then the Nazis were still marginal in Ukraine. When there were a lot of them, ours decided to end it.
                      The National Battalions did not massacre Russians in Russia. But Russia began the operation.
                      Hamas declared genocide of the Jews even when Jews could not bomb anyone. And he led many intifadas.
                      In which many Arabs of Palestine took part.
                      When the Arabs killed the Jews, you were silent; you weren’t even alive then. When the Jews endured, survived and fought back, and said that henceforth any attempt at terror against them would be suppressed in the bud - you cackled.
                      Maybe the Jews should stop reacting altogether to the terrorist organization (and Hamas and Hezbollah themselves declare this) right in their country and allow the Arabs to carry out a second Holocaust?
                      Well, there is not enough space in Gaza to bomb and not hurt civilians. Now lay your head on the chopping block?
                      1. 0
                        14 February 2024 22: 14
                        Quote: English tarantass
                        Ukrobenderites are hiding in residential buildings. Civilians are dying.
                        Hamas is hiding in a residential area. Civilians are dying.

                        Well, again you are comparing something indecent to a finger. Russia does not conduct mass bombings of residential areas indiscriminately, when civilians have no chance of survival. When hostilities approach, residents have the opportunity to evacuate or hide in the basement, which is what usually happens, unless of course the Ukrofashists blockade them as in Mariupol to use them as a human shield. There is zero chance of an aerial bombing. Israel, judging by the statements of politicians, is engaged in quite consciously, deliberately, without regard for the victims of civilians, incl. women and children.
                        Quote: English Tarantas
                        Yes, fewer civilians died in Ukraine. But now I’m wondering, after what number do you talk about genocide?

                        I’m not saying it, they’re saying it all over the world, even in countries that are very loyal to Israel. The International Court of Justice speaks about this in its interim verdict. Are you just like from another planet or are you pretending :)
                        And there is no need to focus on children and women here. This is a move for housewives.
                        Not talking about it is a move for moral monsters.
                      2. +1
                        15 February 2024 09: 42
                        Maybe Israel should not occupy Gaza and the Golan Heights, but sit exactly where and when this state was formed, within the borders of 1947. Then maybe there will be fewer problems?
                      3. +1
                        16 February 2024 10: 56
                        English tarantas

                        In Ukraine, dozens of settlements have been turned into mush as a result of the SVO
                        Who started it all? Who destroyed entire entrances to residential buildings to turn them into fortresses? Who left civilians hostage when the Ukrainian Armed Forces entered these houses?

                        Hamas is hiding in a residential area. Civilians are dying
                        You probably don't follow the news, otherwise you would have noticed that Putin condemned the actions of both Hamas and Israel. Okay, no one is arguing that Hamas are scoundrels. Well, after all, both Israeli politicians and the military were well aware that when starting the operation, they would first of all destroy the civilian population. And this is not the first such case, but the NORM for Israel. Moreover, who created the conditions when civilians cannot even leave the combat zone? Is it Hamas? Who invites civilians to move to another part of the sector, and then bombs it? Is it Hamas?

                        Ukrainians declared the ATO in 2014...they defended the country’s borders, and then the Nazis were still marginal in Ukraine
                        You just read the manuals. And who organized the Euromaidan and seized power? Not Nazis, right? Who was among the first to start shooting in Donbass? Not the Nazi “Azov” and “Aidar”, right?
                        Your name ATO is a clumsy copy of the Russian CTO. And that’s how it is with them. Clumsy tracings from someone else's. And how did the ATO begin? From the bombing of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk and the shelling of Donbass cities? What kind of borders were protected? Shooting began immediately, without any attempts to reach an agreement. Despite many years of Minsk negotiations, all these years Army 404 has been fighting against Donbass, and not so much against its militia, but against civilians. This is a common practice in the West. Because you don’t feel sorry for “subhumans”. Ordinary fascism.

                        When there were a lot of them, ours decided to end itYours is not true. We decided to end it when the war almost spread to Russian territory.

                        The National Battalions did not massacre Russians in Russia

                        Is the massacre of Russians in Ukraine better? So what, sabotage detachments from 404 did not carry out terrorist attacks in Russia?
                        Hamas declared genocide of Jews even when Jews could not bomb anyone

                        Oh? Is it okay that back in 1947, Jews massacred entire Arab villages? You wouldn't be hitting yourself in the chest with your heel if you didn't know the story.
                        Who raised this Hamas anyway, and why? Who gave money and treated wounded militants in their hospitals? Do not know? Ask Israel!
                        allow the Arabs to carry out a second holocaust?

                        Have you tried to count how many Arabs died at the hands of Jews? There are statistics. During 100 years of Arab-Israeli wars, people died 86 Arabs, and 31 Jews. Few? Not an Arab Holocaust?

                        Well, there is not enough room in Gaza to bomb and not hurt civilians
                        And now we need to bomb everyone, both “Hamas” and “non-Hamas”? "Kill them all, and God will choose his own"?
                        What other than bombing? OTHER OPTIONS not?
                        Following your logic, then it is necessary to turn Kyiv into dust using nuclear weapons? So? No? So that's it YOUR IDEA!

                        So DO NOT LIE!
                      4. -1
                        16 February 2024 13: 18
                        You are hysterical.
                        Because of the Jews.
                        The war did not spread anywhere there, and all the terrorist attacks by Ukrainians in Russia meant damaging the bridge and cutting off the water to Crimea.
                        During the 100 years of Arab-Israeli wars, 86 Arabs and 000 Jews died

                        The ratio is a little more than 1 to 2. They just fight disgustingly. Who is to blame?
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                      5. 0
                        16 February 2024 18: 08
                        English tarantasYou know, I somehow don’t care about the “there” Jews))) Much more, I don’t care about our Russian... oligarchs.
                        Moreover, I have many friends in Israel, and I communicate with them, regardless of their political position))

                        all terrorist attacks by Ukrainians in Russia
                        What about the Ukrainian drug mafia and telephone scammers? How I personally got a confession out of a scammer that he was calling from Dnepropetrovsk. Not terrorists, but close.
                        What about the Russian plane shot down by the Ukrainians, which, by the way, was flying to Israel? And there are many similar cases. It's just that no one is inflating it.

                        The ratio is slightly more than 1 to 2
                        Somehow you think it’s strange... Almost 1 in 3... These are only official victims. And I didn’t write how many were injured, how many were forced to leave their homes.

                        they fight disgustingly
                        This is a well-known fact, but not at all the reason for the carpet sweeps of the IDF and the ZionoLuftwaffe.

                        Do you know how you differ from me? You are very biased about the situation. Perhaps you are Jewish and/or live in Israel, then this is understandable, but if not, then it is not clear. And such bias, only on a state scale, is the cause of most wars
                      6. -1
                        16 February 2024 13: 35
                        You are hysterical.
                        Because of the Jews.
                        The war did not spread anywhere there, and all the terrorist attacks by Ukrainians in Russia meant damaging the bridge and cutting off the water to Crimea.
                        During the 100 years of Arab-Israeli wars, 86 Arabs and 000 Jews died

                        The ratio is a little more than 1 to 2. They just fight disgustingly. Who is to blame?
                        Organized violence against Jews began in the 20s, amid mass repatriation. After WWII it became widespread. The Arabs tried to drive out the migrants, although it would seem that Jews were no strangers there. In response to Arab aggression, Jews also began to create their own organizations, both terrorist and paramilitary, and responded in kind.
                        I wrote that the conflict is so old that you can no longer find the guilty.
                        They tried to come to an agreement with Hamas and the population of Gaza many times, but they violate all agreements.
                        What to do? Sit and watch as Hamas continues to blow up and slaughter Jews? What do they need the state for? Who is stopping the residents of Gaza from surrendering to Hamas or stopping supporting it? Hamas is in the way.
                        People are trapped, neither can they leave nor come.
                        Israel is acting tough. Because it can.
                        What are your options? Head on the chopping block?
                      7. +1
                        16 February 2024 18: 17
                        Organized violence against Jews began in the 20s
                        Didn’t all sorts of Irguns and Khagans unleash terror against the Arabs and their benefactors, the British? No?

                        After WWII it became widespread. The Arabs tried to drive out the migrants, although it would seem that Jews were no strangers there. In response to Arab aggression, Jews also began to create their own organizations, both terrorist and paramilitary,
                        If you are a Jew, you do not know the history of Israel. The Hagana and the Irgun, as well as the “Stern gang” (that’s right! even the Jews themselves called it that!), appeared back in the late 30s. And they were so wild that they managed to fight with each other.

                        They tried to come to an agreement with Hamas and the population of Gaza many times, but they violate all agreements
                        Who created this Hamas? Who treated the militants in hospitals claiming to have the best medicine in the world? Didn't Israel violate the treaty? No?

                        What to do? Sit and watch as Hamas continues to blow up and slaughter Jews? What do they need the state for?
                        Where did you see the state? In prison, among the criminals, there is usually an “active” who cooperates with the prison administration. Riots also happen in prisons.

                        Who is stopping the residents of Gaza from surrendering to Hamas or stopping supporting it? Hamas is in the way
                        And in your opinion, this means that the population, along with Hamas, must be crushed into dust? .

                        What are your options?
                        Putin, and not only him, said everything:
                        1. Truce and cessation of hostilities
                        2.Negotiations
                        3.Creation of a full-fledged Palestinian state with the participation of Israel, neighboring Arab countries and the international community
                      8. 0
                        16 February 2024 20: 08
                        Putin, and not only him, said everything:
                        1. Truce and cessation of hostilities
                        2.Negotiations
                        3.Creation of a full-fledged Palestinian state with the participation of Israel, neighboring Arab countries and the international community

                        I’ll answer you for the last time, so be it.
                        Is Putin your final authority? Don't you think he will support whoever benefits him? A politician after all.
                        And his position is reasonable, at least voiced on this issue.
                        1. Previously, Hamas regularly violated all ceasefires. Right before this operation began, there was a truce with Hamas, a lull so to speak. How did it end? Massive terrorist attack. Actually, all truces with them end in a new wave of intifada.
                        2. During the operation, Israel regularly officially declares: the operation will end if Hamas surrenders, completely lays down its arms, and ceases its activities. This is talked about regularly, this is reported to the residents of Gaza and Palestine. In response, the Jews are shown a fig.
                        As they say, we warned you.
                        3. So they had everything, and they had every chance. The Palestinian Authority ends with cooperation with terrorists and their coming to power. The current operation is a consequence of such events in the 00s. Google the Al Aqsa Intifada.
                        Who doesn't give it to them? The truth is they can’t do it peacefully.
                      9. 0
                        16 February 2024 21: 38
                        English tarantas
                        You can answer, you can not answer - your own business.
                        I simply cited Putin as an example, that he voiced a long-known decision. The intifada will end in one of two cases - either if Israel, sadly, ceases to exist (I will not discuss why or how, I personally am against this option), or if the Israeli authorities find the political will to seek a peaceful solution. And the third case is if Israel completely CLEARS THIS TERRITORY OF PEOPLE. Are you in favor of the third option?
                        The Intifada was a direct consequence of Israeli policies. By the way, when there were the Camp David Accords and political will many years ago, was it possible to stop the massacre for a while?
                        This war, like this boil, is beneficial to Israel itself. Therefore, “this music will be eternal...”, until, perhaps, the generation of political leaders in Israel changes, or US support ceases
                2. -2
                  14 February 2024 01: 16
                  Arabs should also learn a lesson and make sure that Arab children never die from Israeli bombs?

                  They certainly should. And the first lesson that the Arabs must do is to throw out the leadership, which with the dashing stroke of its hand has drawn a target on the forehead of every child, man and woman living in Gaza.
                  1. +1
                    14 February 2024 10: 39
                    They certainly should. And the first lesson that the Arabs must do is to throw out the leadership, which with the dashing stroke of its hand has drawn a target on the forehead of every child, man and woman living in Gaza.

                    So they drive him out of their occupied lands by the state of Israel... Just as the leadership of Israel is destroyed, like the leadership of fascist Germany in its time in the USSR, so the targets will disappear from them
          2. +14
            13 February 2024 09: 28
            In just 3 months, 11.000 Palestinian children died! How many Jewish children died? Or is it something else? Many civilians(!) died; incl. and women! Israel showed the world its disgusting fascist essence! Only notorious scoundrels can now justify Israel! The fascist state of Israel has no right to exist!
            1. -2
              13 February 2024 09: 38
              Hamas should have thought first of all about Palestinian children and women when they started their “small and victorious” adventure, otherwise they dug tunnels for weapons and their fighters, but there is no shelter for civilians.
              1. 0
                13 February 2024 12: 23
                Why are you drowning Israel like that? Do you have citizenship or have relatives there? Do you like Zionists? I don’t like them
              2. +1
                14 February 2024 22: 41
                Quote from AdAstra
                dug tunnels for weapons and their fighters, but there is no shelter for civilians.

                says who bombed all UN shelters and all hospitals.
                They know their monstrous enemies do not respect anything humans do.
                The animal who flattened all hospitals and refugee centers has the audacity to talk about shelters.
                According to the UN, the arm struggle against occupation is a human right, and the occupier doesn't have the right to self-defense.No wonder you keep asking people you control to say you have the right to self-defense because you know by law you don't.
                how the fuck do you compare your situation of the European Sattler occupying Palestinians (jew Muslim and Christians) with the Russian-speaking Ukraine, who voted to be part of Russia?
                1. -2
                  15 February 2024 10: 01
                  Yeah, they lived there, in Palestine. When suddenly, bang, in 638, the Arab invaders came and conquered this land. True, they conquered it from the Byzantine invaders, but never mind, God be with them. So you're right. The occupiers have no right to self-defense. hi

                  In the future. 638 XNUMX ن را فتح کردند. All rights reserved. ا با آنها باشد. پس حق با توئه اشغالگران حق دفاع از خود را ندارند
                  1. 0
                    15 February 2024 10: 32
                    with your logic, the entire middle East, including Palestine, Turkey, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, all arab states and half of India belong to Iran based on the fact that its territory based on history
                    not to mention you are not same Jews; you are Ashkenazi Jew, but even if you were, that doesn't matter considering your own book admits to you settled there through conquest and war against the Canaanites
                    During the Bronze Age (c. 3,000 to 1200 BCE) independent city-states were established in what was then called Canaan. The Canaanites and their descendants the Phoenicians, spoke Semitic languages. And considering you conquered them, they weren't Jews, and only ethnic semitic people that remain are Arabs
                    1. -2
                      15 February 2024 10: 36
                      This is, after all, your logic. And so, Persia, as the owner of these lands, is somewhere third from the end of the line, among others of the same kind. hi

                      This is, after all, your logic. And so, Persia, as the owner of these lands, is somewhere third from the end of the queue, among others of the same.
                      1. 0
                        15 February 2024 11: 00
                        no my logic is that all people who burn there have the right to citizenship of the country that is based on the secular state, no matter if they are European Sattler's second generation or indigenous Jews, Christians, and Muslim Arabs
                        not the abomination we know as Israel, which is European Jewish supremacist state in apartheid style. There is a reason why DNA testing is a crime in Israel because they aren't ethnically Jewish but that doesn't matter since that's not the fault of people who burn there from a family who decided to colonize Palestinian, anyone who burns there by definition is from there and entitled to same status any indigenous would be given in secular system
                        Persian would liberate Palestinian just like they did liberated the Jews from slavery in Babylon 2500 years ago, unless you start the similar process that south African apartheid gone through
            2. -1
              13 February 2024 10: 05
              Too categorical, but in general I agree of course!
            3. +1
              13 February 2024 18: 37
              fascism is one of the stages of capitalism. Are you now saying that you don’t like exploiters? you will agree now, however, before revising the capitalization of the saints of the nineties!
            4. 0
              14 February 2024 11: 33
              How many Jewish children died?

              Judging by the arrival, it’s good if there are a hundred...
              Those. our Jews (who left the USSR, for which they are grateful it’s too late) consider the ratio of killed children 1 Jewish to 100 Palestinians to be the norm
          3. +3
            13 February 2024 13: 21
            Another crime of the Israeli army has surfaced. The IDF Colonel spilled the beans. It turned out that on October 7, 2023, the day Hamas attacked the Israeli military, 15 Jewish settlers, including eight children, were killed. Killed by their own...
            An expert at the Center for Military-Political Journalism, Boris Rozhin, published the unexpected revelations of Israeli Colonel Golani Vacha in his telegram channel Colonelcassad.

            According to the military man, on October 7, 2023, that is, on the day of the Hamas attack on the IDF military base, Israeli tank crews killed 15 Jewish settlers, including eight (!) children.

            And then their deaths were passed off as “victims of Hamas.”
          4. +1
            13 February 2024 21: 32
            Zionists are occupiers in the land of Palestine. And it is clear that the indigenous population, who do not want to be second-class citizens in this fascist state, resists and fights for liberation and independence. Israel has created a regime in which the ordinary Palestinian has no social lift, only dirty, simple work, not life but existence. And then the Israelis are surprised by the hatred in their direction))))
      2. +1
        13 February 2024 10: 34
        But they themselves don’t know, they were told so on TV, but they forgot to explain why. They would say bluntly: Israelis are a friend of the United States, and friends of enemies are our enemies. All. Otherwise, they almost declared the Palestinians to be brothers, and yet their co-religionists should not rush to help them with action, and not with empty chatter. And this is probably not without reason
  3. +7
    13 February 2024 04: 43
    The main thing is that Iran does not stop at rearming with modern Su-35s. To successfully counter the lawlessness of the United States and Israel in the region, the issue of rearmament of the Air Force and air defense/missile defense must be resolved comprehensively, including electronic warfare.
    1. +9
      13 February 2024 07: 27
      Quote: Vita VKO
      The main thing is that Iran does not stop at rearming with modern Su-35s.

      I am more than sure that Iran will definitely not stop there. And since the batch size of this contract has been announced at 69 - 70 Su-35, and there are already rumors about the desire to receive a Su-57, then we can roughly estimate the future (desired\possible\recommended) appearance of the Iranian Air Force in the foreseeable future.
      So, since the Su-35 batch will consist of 69 (or 70, as stated a little earlier) of such aircraft, it is difficult to imagine that the ordered batch of Su-57 will be smaller. This would be simply irrational, because it is the Su-57 that will allow the Iranian Air Force to gain air supremacy in its region for many years and a small batch of them will not make much difference. In this case, the Su-35 would take upon themselves the provision of all-altitude air defense of their country (for which their own stealth is not necessary), and the Su-57 would ensure air supremacy, and in any direction and to any depth accessible to them. At the same time, at any time the Su-57 could be used to strengthen air defense in any direction, and the Su-35 at any time could support the efforts of the Su-57 in any of the missions. Those. mutual reservation of potentials will result. And a quantity of 140-150 such machines may be completely sufficient for Iran. But precisely for the tasks of ensuring the country's air defense and gaining air supremacy.
      But attack aircraft are also needed. And here the question arises - what range of tasks will they have to perform. If these tasks are limited to the vicinity of the Gulf, then perhaps light MFIs will be sufficient for this, say the MiG-35S or the promising Su-75 (which we still have to wait for). If the tasks are significantly broader, say, striking naval targets in the Indian Ocean, striking remote targets, for which LFMI are not suitable, using attack aircraft as carriers of heavy missile weapons... In this case, heavy vehicles will be required. From what Russia can offer, this is the Su-30SM2 or Su-34M. And based on the fact that Iran already has enough heavy air superiority fighters to cover attack aircraft, it is more rational to opt for the Su-34M. As an attack aircraft, it is much better in a number of parameters: avionics specialized specifically for these tasks, good crew protection, larger combat radius, larger combat load (up to 0 tons maximum). And at the same time, it is also cheaper (albeit not by much) because it has simplified (unregulated) air intakes.
      As for the category of light fighters, these should be MFIs (MiG-35S and/or Su-75), but since there are already quite a lot of heavy aircraft, it is unlikely that their number can be higher than 120 - 150 aircraft.
      As for calculations and “where to get money from?” , everything is simple here - for rubles. And receive rubles from the proceeds for goods supplied to Russia. Iran, as it turns out, has a lot of goods that interest us, and their supply may well cover the supply of our aircraft.
      1. +15
        13 February 2024 08: 18
        Quote: bayard
        Iran, as it turns out, has a lot of goods that interest us

        And most importantly: Russia and Iran have the opportunity to drive caravans from barges in both directions across the Caspian Sea, without fear that the cargo will be inspected or arrested by anyone.
        1. +6
          13 February 2024 08: 53
          and who can inspect him there or arrest him even outside the border guards? Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan? I can hardly imagine that one of them will decide to quarrel strongly with the Russian Federation and Iran, who have the strongest fleet for the Caspian Sea, especially for two of them... or do you expect them to join NATO?
          1. +8
            13 February 2024 09: 51
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            and who can inspect him there or arrest him even outside the border guards?

            So this is what I write about. The Caspian Sea between Iran and Russia is like a section of a common border. We carry what we want. Without intermediaries and extortionists. hi
        2. +4
          13 February 2024 14: 12
          I wonder how it is determined that a country is an outcast, by the fact that it does not buy American aircraft or by the fact that it defends its sovereignty?
          1. +4
            13 February 2024 17: 14
            Quote: tralflot1832
            I wonder how it is determined that a country is an outcast, by the fact that it does not buy American aircraft or by the fact that it defends its sovereignty?

            Obama also explained that everyone calls Washington when they have problems.
            Those who don't call are outcasts. wink
          2. +2
            13 February 2024 17: 51
            Quote: tralflot1832
            I wonder how it is determined that a country is an outcast, by the fact that it does not buy American aircraft or by the fact that it defends its sovereignty?

            The President is not a shabez goy
            Immediately the whole country is an outcast
      2. +3
        13 February 2024 10: 40
        Don’t forget - in that region there is another player whose opinion is worth taking into account, the Saudis.. And they definitely won’t like Iran’s massive rearmament with modern models.. For now - apparently, they agreed with them on some conditions, on They reacted calmly to this batch of Sushki. But I don’t think they will react the same way to what happens next. And to quarrel with them seriously is now more expensive for us. Apparently we are working on the oil market together? So, everything is very, very not simple...
        1. +1
          13 February 2024 11: 33
          Quote: paul3390
          Don’t forget - in that region there is another player whose opinion is worth taking into account, the Saudis..

          Everything will be fine with the Saudis, we reconciled them with Iran (although officially we gave the role of the conciliator to China, because there was no time for that, it even turned out better), we developed the S-550 missile defense system (a stripped down to a purely anti-missile version of the S-500) on their order. , and if they want, we will supply both Su-57 and Su-75. So that no one is offended. And I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens after some time.
        2. 0
          15 February 2024 00: 09
          th
          Quote: paul3390
          Don't forget - in that region there is another player whose opinion is worth taking into account, the Saudis.. And they definitely won't like Iran's massive rearmament with modern models.. For now - apparently, they agreed with them on some conditions, on They reacted calmly to this batch of Sushki. But I don't think they will react the same way to what happens next. And to quarrel with them seriously is now more expensive for us. Apparently we are working on the oil market together? So, everything is very, very not simple...

          thank God we don't need you in anyway considering you already, while the help so far only been from Iran to Russia, thinking about selling Iran to uncivilized Wahabi salafist Arab who are essentially suicide bomber factory for export
          Why don't we need you?
          iran only need this fighter jet for dogfights with enemy fighter if it was necessary but not fo it own operations
          Why are fighter jets being used in the first place?
          Why don't we use land-based missiles instead of fighter jets for precision attacks?
          There are two kinds of missiles: cruise missiles, which are accurate but lack range, and ballistic missiles, which are almost limitless in range but have very poor accuracy.
          Fighter jets are used to deliver precision attacks with air-launched cruise missiles.
          But why did they have to be air-launched?
          Cruise missiles can't be long-range due to a problem known as "the tyranny of the rocket equation." For range, you require fuel. Fuel increases the weight, which decreases the range. So the answer they came up with was to move the missile close enough to the target with an aircraft, then launch the cruise missile. and for longer range they made aircraft carrier to move the fighter jet closer to target
          But why don't we make ballistic missiles as accurate as cruise missiles to eliminate the need for fighter jets and aircraft carriers?
          The ballistic missile that could go long range had a problem of its own known as "REENTRY PLASMA EFFECTS" which happens When slamming air particles into each other as fast as a reentering object does, the extreme heat from all this friction raises the temperature of the air so high that the gas becomes ionized, forming essentially a cloud of plasma around the outer surface of the craft in the reentry phase that interrupt the radio communications between a vehicle and ground station.
          In simple terms, you can't guide it. Therefore, long-range ballistics are only used for nukes that lack of accuracy isn't an issue.
          So obviously, when Iran announced that they somehow developed ballistic missiles with pinpoint accuracy, everyone dismissed it as propaganda. Even after Iran released the footage of a ballistic missile hitting the target with pinpoint accuracy,. Iran was accused of Photoshopping, despite the lack of any evidence to suggest the footage was altered. But after the attack on the US air base that all missiles achieved bullseye, everyone had to accept the fact that, just like the Persians were the only ones with Damascus steel technology, now they repeated similar unachievable technology. Uzi Robbin, the father of Israel's missile defense, said this in reaction to Iran's pinpoint ballistic missile. "By pushing a button, they were able to accomplish a task that we need to risk the lives of pilots and costly fighter jets to do the same. and they probably were under air conditions when they pushing the button"
          Conclusion: iran doesn't need any aircraft or aircraft carrier to diliver precision attacks
      3. +3
        13 February 2024 14: 58
        Here's more information on deliveries.

        Moscow is providing Tehran with the best military equipment, Farda reports. Thus, the Mi-28 helicopter is equipped with modern night vision systems, and the Su-35 hits any target. But the first to guard the Iranian Air Force was the Yak-130 training aircraft, which performs not only training tasks. The Deputy Minister of Defense of Iran said: “Regarding the support of our Air Force, we can firmly say that the supply of Yak-130 training aircraft, Su-35 multi-role fighters and Mi-28 attack helicopters to the country has already been resolved. The deal has already been agreed upon and is currently the necessary formalities are being completed." General Seyyid-Mehdi Farhi, a representative of the Ministry of Defense and Support of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran, announced the start of deliveries of these types of Russian aircraft to Iran in an interview with a military correspondent of the Tasnim news agency. The country's Armed Forces also confirmed the implementation of plans to acquire the mentioned military equipment from Russia.


        https://inosmi.ru/20231210/iran-266986341.html
      4. +4
        13 February 2024 17: 16
        As for me, Iran will not be able to handle the Su-57. And we ourselves need them more.
        And the Su-75 is exactly what they need. They won't find it cheaper or nicer.
        While Iran is mastering the Su-35, ours will just finish the Su-75... hi
        1. +2
          13 February 2024 19: 44
          It all depends on what size fleet they want to have. They now have ideal conditions to get everything they need and pay with counter deliveries, and not in oil. In addition, I wouldn’t be surprised if they soon start supplying us with transport (and there seems to be a passenger version) An-140 (Iranian version). Or maybe we will eventually start releasing this version ourselves in cooperation with them, because we have already agreed on the production operation.
          If 70 Su-35 and 150 Su-75 are enough for them, then why not... But the point is that in Iran they started talking about the Su-57. We are increasing their production and it is likely that in a few years we could export some of the aircraft we produce. In addition, a workshop for the production of Su-35S may soon become available if we stop their production. And then, at these capacities, we would be able to produce the Su-57 (as was initially supposed) - up to 30 aircraft per year, at least plus what they began to produce in the new workshop. As a result, we will be able to build about 60 Su-57s (or even more) per year, the main thing is that there are enough engines, etc. for cooperation. With such capacities, we can easily provide them to everyone who wants them.
          The Su-75 is going to be built at other facilities.
          And now I can’t wait for the Su-35SM to appear - with the Belka ballistic missile system and avionics from the Su-57. It will be a very good car.
          1. +2
            14 February 2024 02: 37
            Quote: bayard
            If 70 Su-35s are enough for them

            The article says the Iranians are planning 120 aircraft.
            As I understand it, we are still talking about the Su-35.
            This number of heavy fighters will be enough for them, KMK.

            Quote: bayard
            We are increasing their production and it is likely that in a few years we could export some of the aircraft we produce.

            We need the Su-57 ourselves. 300 is a good number. wink

            Quote: bayard
            And now I can’t wait for the Su-35SM to appear - with the Belka ballistic missile system and avionics from the Su-57. It will be a very good car.

            As far as I understand, there will be a new engine.
            Nice plane. Can be exported. And for us - Su-57. Yes
            1. +2
              14 February 2024 07: 51
              Quote: Alex777
              The article says the Iranians are planning 120 aircraft.
              As I understand it, we are still talking about the Su-35.

              Maybe, but if you supply 10-15 pcs. per year, this is a story for 5-6 years from the moment the first batch was laid. If there are 24 pcs. They will be given it right away, then there will be another 45 pieces left. which will be delivered within 4-5 years. During this time, we will have several Su-57 regiments in service and it will be possible to export them. And then Iran may end up with 69-70 Su-35s and 50 Su-57s. A very good fleet of heavy aircraft for such a country.
              Quote: Alex777
              We need the Su-57 ourselves. 300 is a good number.

              I also think that this amount will be optimal. But you shouldn’t miss the market, and you shouldn’t offend your allies - the world is turbulent and a spoon is dear to dinner. I really hope for an expanded production of the MiG-35S (perhaps the first batch will be delivered this year, but for whom?) in order to rearm allies and partners as quickly as possible. And it wouldn't hurt to have a few regiments of these swallows ourselves.
              Quote: Alex777
              As far as I understand, there will be a new engine.

              I haven’t heard anything like that about the engine, and why does it need a new one, it can beat anyone in its native language. And a new engine means greater air consumption, which means new air intakes, changes in the airframe, and other complications. He already has animals under the hood. But a new avionics, a new BRLC, an updated range of weapons - just the thing for modernization. I am sure that for the Su-30SM3, such a composition of avionics and radar will be the best for Naval Aviation.
              Quote: Alex777
              Can be exported. And for us - Su-57.

              Can . Or you can first for yourself and then for export. You can also use the Su-35SM for yourself, and offer the “extra” Su-35S that have just been “tested” to the allies. In general, I think it is desirable to have two types of heavy MFIs in service for aerospace forces - the Su-57 and Su-35SM, because stealth is not needed everywhere, and it is easier to maintain and operate such an aircraft. Total up to 600 pcs. The number of Su-30SM2\3 is about 240 pcs. (less than 200 pieces are generally not possible - the minimum batch for normal operation and payback of the project for the entire life cycle).
              The required number of light fighters is 600 - 1000 pieces.
              The required number of light attack aircraft is 300 - 500 pieces.
              It seems like a lot, but this is for a large state, less is impossible.
              Therefore, the aircraft manufacturing industry needs to be pumped up properly. We will still have to provide half the world with combat aviation.
              No other way . hi
              1. +2
                15 February 2024 00: 41
                As always, a plus for you... but today I somehow wanted to be rude, I read up to Mig 35 and without paying attention to the author, I think that it carries.... Sorry, is it really true... are they really collected somewhere?
                1. 0
                  15 February 2024 05: 00
                  The UAC management reported that there are “several” foreign customers for these aircraft, the few that are available (6 pieces) continue to be used in the Northern Military District, and if you believe the information from 2022, the first production aircraft should be delivered this year. We'll see how it goes .
                  Building a large country’s own air force on the basis of only heavy combat aircraft is a mistake and an extremely irrational decision, as the current SVO has shown us, when it is necessary to carry out missions at a distance of 300-500 km. from bases with 2-4 tons of ammunition, you have to drive heavy vehicles, and with quite a lot of intensity. This is a job for light MFIs and attack aircraft. But we don’t have such vehicles (except for Su-25 attack aircraft, which have restrictions on the use of high-precision ammunition and subsonic speed, which does not allow throwing FAB with UMPC at the required distance. That is, we need light MFIs. And in our case this is MiG035S - an excellent vehicle with excellent performance characteristics, long-life, non-smoking engines and modern avionics. Operating these vehicles is 1,5 times cheaper than heavy vehicles, they burn less kerosene, can be used from highway sections and prepared unpaved airfields. And what is especially important is that they can be produced without any damage to the production of Su brand aircraft... But our task is to quickly increase the overall fleet of military aircraft.
                  You can only count on the Su-75 for the medium term, because the bird is still in the nest and hasn’t even been rolled out. Until she learns to fly, gets rid of childhood illnesses and is ready for the series, another 7 years will pass, or maybe more. There is no point in guessing about this since the airframe of the Su-75 is new and, most likely, the engine is too, so you will have to finish it carefully. But we need planes yesterday. This is precisely why the purchase of several regimental sets of MiG-35S is rational. . Well, arm the allies.
      5. 0
        14 February 2024 23: 57
        Quote: bayard
        it is the Su-57 that will allow the Iranian Air Force to gain air supremacy in its region

        iran only need this fighter jet for dogfights with enemy fighter if it was necessary but not fo it own operations
        Why are fighter jets being used in the first place?
        Why don't we use land-based missiles instead of fighter jets for precision attacks?
        There are two kinds of missiles: cruise missiles, which are accurate but lack range, and ballistic missiles, which are almost limitless in range but have very poor accuracy.
        Fighter jets are used to deliver precision attacks with air-launched cruise missiles.
        But why did they have to be air-launched?
        Cruise missiles can't be long-range due to a problem known as "the tyranny of the rocket equation." For range, you require fuel. Fuel increases the weight, which decreases the range. So the answer they came up with was to move the missile close enough to the target with an aircraft, then launch the cruise missile. and for longer range they made aircraft carrier to move the fighter jet closer to target
        But why don't we make ballistic missiles as accurate as cruise missiles to eliminate the need for fighter jets and aircraft carriers?
        The ballistic missile that could go long range had a problem of its own known as "REENTRY PLASMA EFFECTS" which happens When slamming air particles into each other as fast as a reentering object does, the extreme heat from all this friction raises the temperature of the air so high that the gas becomes ionized, forming essentially a cloud of plasma around the outer surface of the craft in the reentry phase that interrupt the radio communications between a vehicle and ground station.
        In simple terms, you can't guide it. Therefore, long-range ballistics are only used for nukes that lack of accuracy isn't an issue.
        So obviously, when Iran announced that they somehow developed ballistic missiles with pinpoint accuracy, everyone dismissed it as propaganda. Even after Iran released the footage of a ballistic missile hitting the target with pinpoint accuracy,. Iran was accused of Photoshopping, despite the lack of any evidence to suggest the footage was altered. But after the attack on the US air base that all missiles achieved bullseye, everyone had to accept the fact that, just like the Persians were the only ones with Damascus steel technology, now they repeated similar unachievable technology. Uzi Robbin, the father of Israel's missile defense, said this in reaction to Iran's pinpoint ballistic missile. "By pushing a button, they were able to accomplish a task that we need to risk the lives of pilots and costly fighter jets to do the same. and they probably were under air conditions when they pushing the button"
        Conclusion: iran doesn't need any aircraft or aircraft carrier to diliver precision attacks
    2. +11
      13 February 2024 10: 12
      Delivery of aircraft to the Aerospace Forces up to 2020 inclusive is shown in the table. Now SVO. All simple Su-27s have been written off; on paper there are about 240 Mig-29s and about 270 Su-24Ms, and only a few of them are flying. Of the 200 Su-25s, 100 aircraft are actually in service. We have 350 new attack aircraft and... that's it.
      https://aviation21.ru/sostav-boevoj-aviacii-vks-rossii-na-2023-god/
      It is better not to remember the problems of pilots and technical personnel and airfield equipment.
      Now let’s evaluate the “rosy” prospects outlined in the article and comments.
      Well ..?
      1. +2
        13 February 2024 14: 21
        Quote: Vitov
        Now let’s evaluate the “rosy” prospects outlined in the article and comments.
        Well ..?

        I completely agree with you, our videoconferencing also has a lot of problems. But Iran must be helped without fail. They help us very well, remember about Geranium Shaheds...
  4. +2
    13 February 2024 05: 17
    The Iranian Air Force was replenished with MiG-29 (36 units), Su-25 (10 units), Su-24 (24 units), Dassault Mirage F1 (10 units). Today
    In total there are exactly 60 aircraft, which, to put it mildly, is not true. In addition, the author “forgot” about the Iraqi Su-20 and Su-22, but there were also quite a few of them.
    The main backbone of the Iranian Air Force is the F-14 Tomcat...

    Is it really possible, and how many of them are left in the Iranian Air Force?
    There are a lot of other shortcomings in the article that are not very noticeable to the general reader, but to people who know, they say a lot about the competence of the author.
    1. +2
      13 February 2024 06: 00
      they say a lot to people who know about the author's competence.

      It's funny! drinks
  5. +2
    13 February 2024 05: 25
    It is very difficult to predict the result of a collision between an Iranian Su-35 and an Israeli F-35 Agir

    It is unlikely that in a modern war there will be air battles between fighters. Maybe I’m mistaken, but these are still echoes of WWII than today’s realities
    1. +1
      13 February 2024 11: 23
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      It is very difficult to predict the result of a collision between an Iranian Su-35 and an Israeli F-35 Agir
      It is unlikely that in a modern war there will be air battles between fighters
      Let's just say that it's a fact non-lethal There was a clash in the 35th: in the “sandbox” the Adir link came out against a pair of Sukhoi. I wonder what beyond visual range aka BVR - The Sukhoi “crushed” the sons of Israel, and when they got close, they had to work hard.
      There are many factors to success: technique, preparation, communication, management…..
      1. +1
        13 February 2024 11: 26
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        There are many factors to success: technique, preparation, communication, management

        Yes, that's right. But I’m talking about the tactics of air battles, which, in my opinion, will never happen again. Perhaps I'm wrong...
        1. +4
          13 February 2024 12: 55
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          I’m talking about the tactics of air battles, which, in my opinion, will never happen again. Perhaps I'm wrong...
          The capabilities of technology are reflected in tactics. Well, again, from the experience of the sons of Israel, accountants also directly influence tactics: the history of the emergence hitting the cauldron confirmation of this wink
    2. 0
      15 February 2024 00: 17
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      It is unlikely that in a modern war there will be air battles between fighters. Maybe I'm mistaken, but these are still echoes of WWII than today's realities

      finally someone with clear head.
      and answer is already here and came from same Iran
      iran only need this fighter jet for dogfights with enemy fighter if it was necessary but not fo it own operations
      Why are fighter jets being used in the first place?
      Why don't we use land-based missiles instead of fighter jets for precision attacks?
      There are two kinds of missiles: cruise missiles, which are accurate but lack range, and ballistic missiles, which are almost limitless in range but have very poor accuracy.
      Fighter jets are used to deliver precision attacks with air-launched cruise missiles.
      But why did they have to be air-launched?
      Cruise missiles can't be long-range due to a problem known as "the tyranny of the rocket equation." For range, you require fuel. Fuel increases the weight, which decreases the range. So the answer they came up with was to move the missile close enough to the target with an aircraft, then launch the cruise missile. and for longer range they made aircraft carrier to move the fighter jet closer to target
      But why don't we make ballistic missiles as accurate as cruise missiles to eliminate the need for fighter jets and aircraft carriers?
      The ballistic missile that could go long range had a problem of its own known as "REENTRY PLASMA EFFECTS" which happens When slamming air particles into each other as fast as a reentering object does, the extreme heat from all this friction raises the temperature of the air so high that the gas becomes ionized, forming essentially a cloud of plasma around the outer surface of the craft in the reentry phase that interrupt the radio communications between a vehicle and ground station.
      In simple terms, you can't guide it. Therefore, long-range ballistics are only used for nukes that lack of accuracy isn't an issue.
      So obviously, when Iran announced that they somehow developed ballistic missiles with pinpoint accuracy, everyone dismissed it as propaganda. Even after Iran released the footage of a ballistic missile hitting the target with pinpoint accuracy,. Iran was accused of Photoshopping, despite the lack of any evidence to suggest the footage was altered. But after the attack on the US air base that all missiles achieved bullseye, everyone had to accept the fact that, just like the Persians were the only ones with Damascus steel technology, now they repeated similar unachievable technology. Uzi Robbin, the father of Israel's missile defense, said this in reaction to Iran's pinpoint ballistic missile. "By pushing a button, they were able to accomplish a task that we need to risk the lives of pilots and costly fighter jets to do the same. and they probably were under air conditions when they pushing the button"
      Conclusion: iran doesn't need any aircraft or aircraft carrier to diliver precision attacks
  6. +6
    13 February 2024 05: 47
    It was jarring in the article that the author called us and Iran “rogue countries.” In the information space, our country constantly has to prove the opposite. Let the arrogant Saxons think so, “beyond the light.” But if the author writes himself, it is unpatriotic, and if it is a translation, then it is very ugly.
    1. +1
      13 February 2024 08: 19
      Agree. It also caught my eye.
    2. +1
      13 February 2024 13: 02
      The author definitely gets no credit for this! fatty
    3. 0
      13 February 2024 23: 16
      Quote: Orso
      It was jarring in the article that the author called us and Iran “rogue countries.”

      Also drew attention.
      Such outcasts that the entire Global South is with us, which greatly upsets the West.
  7. -13
    13 February 2024 05: 50
    Well, yes, that’s right, Israel should think about it. It is very difficult to predict the result of a collision between an Iranian Su-35 and an Israeli F-35 Agir. Of course, on the Israeli side there are very high-quality pilots with full combat experience, and the plane is quite good, but no one is saying that Iranian pilots will directly rush to settle scores with the Israelis. Simply delivering another blow to Iranian advisers in Syria will be a little more difficult than before.


    Regarding “it will be a little more difficult to strike another blow at Iranian advisers in Syria” - look at the map, if only to understand where Syria is and where Iran is.

    Regarding “Well, yes, that’s right, Israel should think about it” - they will certainly think about it. Especially over someone who is “the friend of my enemy.”
    Only recently they raged in Israel on the topic “who is friends with Hamas here - you will answer for everything.” And Netanyahu somehow kept Israeli society from Zelensky’s arrival on a “support visit.”
    Only recently did the “Military Review Martyrs’ Brigade” completely “clean up” the Israelis from Military Review (which functioned on the principle of “not a day without an article in support of Hamas, even if we follow Hamas in writing fables about a bombed hospital”). Although, IMHO, a couple of Israelis still “survived” here, remained and write - tenacious.
    An interesting question: looking at the Su35 in Iran and other elements of friendship with Iran (including peaceful nuclear energy), how soon will Israel decide that there is no need to restrain arms exports to/to Ukraine? How soon will Spikes and/or Pythons or some other “greetings from Israel” appear in/in Ukraine? Or how soon will Israel allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to take the M113 and other “unnecessary” items from their armored vehicles?
    Perhaps this time Vladimir will keep Benjamin from unfriendly actions.

    In general, the article is good.
    It is a pity that the author does not write where Iranian friends - Hamas - are holding Russians hostages and the corpses of Russians. And how many are there? Or write about “Greater Iran” and “Iran and Central Asia”, “Iran and the Caucasus”.
    But the most important thing is the fight against the hegemon, isn’t it - “they will definitely become an example for those who hesitate and watch the US reaction very carefully”?
    1. +9
      13 February 2024 06: 37
      Smiled:
      Especially over someone who is “the friend of my enemy.”

      Have you ever thought that the same can be said about Israel?
      Moreover, they have had their noses in the dust for a long time, and these “friends” are not much different from our enemies. They also appeared in support of the Syrian “opposition” and the Ukrainian Reich as well.
      It is precisely because Israel has gone crazy that Russia is reconsidering its position on supplies.
      Yes, yes, right now Israel, being on hold, will rush to supply the entire range of weapons to the Ukrainian Reich. They might like to, but it’s not that simple.
      1. 0
        13 February 2024 07: 20
        Have you ever thought that the same can be said about Israel?

        No.
        In Syria they are engaged in Hezbollah (they don’t care about the opposition), there are no arms supplies from them to/in Ukraine.
        Precisely because Israel has gone crazy
        Official Israel maintains strict neutrality, Israeli society is divided. But the majority believes that Kornets, a plant for AK, Hamas in Moscow after 07.10.23/35/XNUMX, peaceful nuclear power and now SuXNUMX are too much, and where is the president - a Jew?
        So far, things have not gone further than individual characters in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and hospitals. But public opinion is increasingly aware that, in the opinion of some, “Israel has gone crazy” and demands an “answer.” IMHO, everything rests on the relationship between one Vladimir and one Benjamin, who have been better than ever for many years now.
        It is unclear how much of a “special relationship” will be enough.
        It all starts, IMHO, with “ring deliveries” and with what has been put into service - M113 and so on.
      2. +3
        13 February 2024 07: 37
        I think it's not very simple. Israel, if it delivers something to the saloreich, is either old stuff from the Yom Kippur War or a very limited amount of something fresh and then for testing. Israel is quite limited both in resources and in production, and as for the survival of Jews...they are like cockroaches...
        1. +1
          13 February 2024 16: 39
          Quote: 23ronin
          and as for the survival of Jews...they are like cockroaches...

          Bravo! A direct quote from the book about “my struggle.” You need to make a “Roman salute” and shout 88!
          1. -1
            13 February 2024 23: 30
            Quote: Pushkar
            A direct quote from the book about “my struggle.” You need to make a “Roman salute” and shout 88!

            I see that you are savvy in this both in theory and in practice.
    2. +1
      13 February 2024 20: 33
      Israel's situation is now similar to Russia's - with unclear prospects and deadlines for completing the "cleansing" of Gaza and the constant danger of war with Hezbollah (which now, if it does not attack Israel itself, then he himself will hit it later, because he clearly wants to, together with Hamas, permanently eliminate Hezbollah hanging over him from the north) - it is very unlikely that he will spend already scarce weapons on Ukraine - which has enough of its own suppliers. But simply out of a desire to annoy, they will not do anything, because their strategy is always based on rational calculation, and not emotional resentment - otherwise they would not have stood up against the Arabs in the 20th century.
    3. 0
      15 February 2024 00: 32
      Quote: Wildcat
      Regarding “it will be a little more difficult to strike another blow at Iranian advisers in Syria” - look at the map, if only to understand where Syria is and where Iran is.

      Regarding “Well, yes, that's right, Israel should think about it” - they will certainly think about it. Especially over someone who is “the friend of my enemy.”
      Only recently they were raged in Israel on the topic “who is friends with Hamas here - you will answer for everything.” And Netanyahu somehow kept Israeli society from Zelensky's arrival on a “support visit.”
      Only recently did the “Military Review Martyrs' Brigade” completely “clean up” the Israelis from Military Review (which functioned on the principle of “not a day without an article in support of Hamas, even if we follow Hamas in writing fables about a bombed hospital”). Although, IMHO, a couple of Israelis still “survived” here, remained and write - tenacious.
      An interesting question: looking at the Su35 in Iran and other elements of friendship with Iran (including peaceful nuclear energy), how soon will Israel decide that there is no need to restrain arms exports to/to Ukraine? How soon will Spikes and/or Pythons or some other “greetings from Israel” appear in/in Ukraine? Or how soon will Israel allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to take the M113 and other “unnecessary” items from their armored vehicles?
      Perhaps this time Vladimir will keep Benjamin from unfriendly actions.

      In general, the article is good.
      It is a pity that the author does not write where Iranian friends - Hamas - are holding Russians hostages and the corpses of Russians. And how many are there? Or write about “Greater Iran” and “Iran and Central Asia”, “Iran and the Caucasus”.
      But the most important thing is the fight against the hegemon, isn't it - “they will definitely become an example for those who hesitate and watch the US reaction very carefully”?

      I think I found the replacment for account named A Us Rat
      (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
      in English version: And Us Rat
      (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
      i think he is among hamas hostages. does anyone know who I'm talking about ? laughing
  8. +3
    13 February 2024 05: 59
    Skomorokhov was clearly joking about the Su-57. There really aren’t any of them yet, even in the Russian videoconferencing systems, and no one knows when they will be available in at least the minimum required quantity. Therefore, sending them for export would be either stupidity or another betrayal.
    1. 0
      13 February 2024 08: 11
      Quote: Amateur
      Skomorokhov was clearly joking about the Su-57. There really aren’t any of them yet, even in the Russian videoconferencing systems, and no one knows when they will be available in at least the minimum required quantity.

      The Aerospace Forces today already have the first regimental set. Last year, 12 (according to other sources 15) aircraft were delivered. In this, according to various sources, from 15 to 24 pieces are expected. , i.e. production rates are increasing. For this purpose, a new building was built - specifically for the Su-57, the production capabilities of which are estimated at “at least 30 aircraft per year” ... but these indicators have yet to be achieved. So the aerospace forces will become saturated with these aircraft at an increasing pace, but we also need to think about the future. How many Su-57s will the VKS purchase? Maybe 200, maybe 300 pieces. At the same time, the infrastructure for the new regiments still needs to be created, flight and technical personnel trained... And it would not be a sin to think about the payback of the project, about reducing costs by increasing serial production. So export supplies will not be superfluous here. And they won’t start “tomorrow” - first the Su-35 needs to be delivered to Iran, they are also unlikely to purchase “everything at once” - due to money and for the reasons mentioned above for our aerospace forces. So everything is done correctly, as long as it is executed.
      1. +4
        13 February 2024 08: 20
        The Aerospace Forces today already have the first regimental set

        A regiment is like 36 aircraft? According to your own data (Last year, 12 (according to other sources, 15) aircraft were delivered. This year, according to various sources, from 15 to 24 units are expected) they are “only expected.” But even this regiment really exists, but it is not at the front. And the fact that in Torzhok is not a front.
        1. 0
          13 February 2024 09: 18
          Quote: Amateur
          A regiment is like 36 aircraft?

          In modern Russia, regiments have 24 aircraft, which is unusual (the USA has so many in a squadron).
          Quote: Amateur
          According to your own data (Last year, 12 (according to other sources 15) aircraft were delivered.

          This is only in the past, together with previous deliveries it turns out exactly for the first regimental kit. But the main thing is that supplies are increasing and by the end of this year the second regiment seems to have not been completed.
          Quote: Amateur
          they are "only expected".

          We have something to fight with, and today the Su-35S and Su-34 are quite enough to carry out all the tasks.
          Quote: Amateur
          But even if this regiment really exists, it is not at the front.

          The flight crew is mastering new equipment; occasionally Su-57s carry out combat missions, but not on a regular basis. The main thing is that the plane went into production and that the second stage engine is ready.
          1. +5
            13 February 2024 11: 54
            We have something to fight with, and today the Su-35S and Su-34 are quite enough to carry out all the tasks.

            We do not and cannot control the airspace of Ukraine in the Northern Military District due to the lack of modern attack aircraft, and especially since we need to carry out other tasks in parallel. We have more than 700 outdated attack aircraft that can perform combat missions only on paper, and for this reason we are conditionally in 2nd place.
            https://aviation21.ru/sostav-boevoj-aviacii-vks-rossii-na-2023-god/
            Do you do the math yourself or help? All the simple Su-27s quietly disappeared and no one noticed. Simple Mig-29 and Su-24M will soon disappear. If we produce 100 attack aircraft per year (Su-57 + Su-35 + Su-30SM + Su-34), we will need about 7 years to maintain the current state...
            1. 0
              13 February 2024 12: 54
              Quote: Vitov
              We do not and cannot control the airspace of Ukraine in the Northern Military District

              How do you see such control of airspace over air? It is the largest state in Europe by area (not counting Russia). Are you simply offering to fly over it freely? When do they have air defense systems from all over NATO?
              This was only possible in Syria.
              Quote: Vitov
              due to the lack of modern attack aircraft

              For strikes deep into the territory, we have enough cruise missiles of all types, Iskanders and Geraniums. And don’t risk the pilots in the process.
              And for current needs, we have quite enough attack aircraft.
              Quote: Vitov
              We have more than 700 obsolete attack aircraft,

              They are regularly replaced with new ones.
              Quote: Vitov
              All the simple Su-27s quietly disappeared and no one noticed.

              Why notice old planes that are being written off and replaced with new ones? Those Su-27SM3 that are in service were built for the Aerospace Forces from the reserve for deliveries to China, so they are much younger than the first ones, and they are modernized.
              Quote: Vitov
              Simple Mig-29 and Su-24M will soon disappear.

              There is currently only one MiG-29 regiment in service and it is based in Armenia. The rest are in storage and are slowly being sold to those interested (they were sold to India quite recently). And the Su-24M2 is gradually being replaced by the Su-34\34M. The shelves will remain, the planes will be replaced.
              Quote: Vitov
              If we produce 100 attack aircraft per year (Su-57 + Su-35 + Su-30SM + Su-34), we will need about 7 years,

              In fact, the production of aircraft is increasing, so that the aircraft will not only be changed, but also new regiments will be deployed. Thus, it was announced that 9 new air regiments will be deployed, so that they will not only re-equip the existing ones.
              Quote: Vitov
              We have more than 700 obsolete attack aircraft

              Count how many combat aircraft there are in the United States built in the 80s.
              How many old planes are there in the Chinese Air Force? This is normal. For a number of tasks, the modernized Su-27 and even the Su-24M2 are quite sufficient. And now the size of the Air Force will definitely be increased by about 2 times. To do this, it is enough to bring the existing regiments to three and four squadrons (as was the case under the USSR) and deploy the declared new ones (not all of them will be fighters).
              In addition, the supply of Su-30SM2 to Naval Aviation will continue.
          2. -2
            13 February 2024 13: 07
            We have something to fight with, and today the Su-35S and Su-34 are quite enough to carry out all the tasks.

            Vladimir Vladimirovich! I don’t recognize you under this nickname!
            (We haven't really started yet...)
            1. +2
              13 February 2024 14: 03
              We didn't guess with either the first name or the patronymic.
              What they started or are just about to do is on their conscience. I have been writing for many years about the fact that the combat aviation fleet needs to be at least doubled, and optimally tripled. As well as the fact that instead of increasing, or at least maintaining the pace of production of combat aircraft, they almost completely curtailed their production a couple of years before the SVO. Now they have come to their senses.
              But it is true that today, and specifically for the needs of the current North Military District, the existing aircraft fleet is sufficient. It is not enough to fully cover all borders and directions, as well as to form a sufficient reserve to concentrate forces in the required direction.
              But the deployment of 9 new air regiments was announced a year+ ago. As well as the fact of a sharp increase in the pace of production of military aircraft to fill these regiments and re-equip those on old aircraft.
              What I hear myself (from Donetsk) is that aviation works regularly and tightly.
              According to those at the front, aviation is constantly working, and helicopters too.
              - Enough for support?
              - Enough.
              I've been in this war for almost 10 years now. Aviation works.
              1. -1
                13 February 2024 14: 11
                But it is true that today, and specifically for the needs of the current North Military District, the existing aircraft fleet is sufficient.

                This “sufficiency” is demonstrated especially clearly by the line of the combat clash frozen in the position of “neither here nor there.”
                1. +2
                  13 February 2024 14: 52
                  Quote: Amateur
                  This “sufficiency” is especially clearly demonstrated by the line ̶фр̶о̶н̶т̶а̶ frozen in the position “neither here nor there.”

                  Don’t you want to move this line yourself? And then it rumbles outside my window (center of Donetsk).
                  We quickly turn amateurs into professionals.
                  1. +5
                    14 February 2024 01: 08
                    Don’t you want to move this line yourself?

                    Vitaly, why stoop to the level of Peskov’s bots? It doesn't suit you. More like a scene from the movie "Courier", when the young man's colleagues from the printing house share their dreams: someone wants a car, an apartment, a dacha, money, universal recognition, someone dreams of marrying a foreigner, and when it comes to the main thing... he betrays the hero: I dream about the victory of communism. Let me remind you that this is happening in the mid-80s and this slogan had not yet completely lost its relevance. In response to this “demarche,” the main character is told: if so, you will go dig potatoes. This is roughly how your thesis is perceived.

                    At the same time, you are an intelligent person and you yourself understand all the layouts. Now answer me, without prevarication: at least one sane person, especially after all these gestures of good prayer, would want to be a “consumable” in the games of those in power? Or can you find a more worthy use for yourself than to risk dying not even for the country, not for the residents of Donbass, about whom the Kremlin simply didn’t give a damn for 8 years, but simply for someone’s profit and irrepressible ambitions?

                    I personally don’t feel like it at all and I feel very sorry for those who, by the will of fate, found themselves drawn into this bind, because for them now there are only two ways to get out of this meat grinder: by injury (and with mandatory disability) or in case of death. For even rotation will not free you from military service (precisely service, another word simply does not fit here).

                    But the TV, which I recently had the imprudence to watch and immediately acquired a couple of extra gray hairs (although it doesn’t seem to be due to my age), is choking in ecstasy: oh, look how famously our defenders, now demobilized for health reasons, are coping without an arm or a leg. Well, really, what is one arm, leg, ear or eye? The Lord gave you a second one. Do you feel sorry for sacrificing for the sake of our leader’s ambitions what you already have in double volume? In general, half of our country lives without a head: they believe in what they say, vote for whoever they order, even if they have their own opinion, they are in no hurry to defend it and nothing - they somehow manage. At the same time, the same TV will never show how people live with feces and an external urine bag, bedridden and unable to even take care of themselves. They won’t tell you what tons of pills people with shrapnel in various important parts of the body are forced to take, just to somehow calm down the tremors that bother them. And these are just general sketches, behind which are hidden broken human destinies on both sides of the front.

                    Is this really what you sincerely wish for your fellow forum members? And for what? Because their opinion disagrees not even with your words, but with the official position of the leadership, which itself, in a recent interview with an overseas guest, admitted that everything that is happening is the work of their own hands? Doesn’t such a contradiction bother you anywhere?
                    1. +1
                      14 February 2024 08: 49
                      Good afternoon Kirill. hi
                      How can I wish this on someone if I have it all before my eyes? When I myself was in a cast and saw how many wounded (soldiers and civilians) were carried past me on bloody stretchers during the half day that I was waiting for my turn with a fracture. When I have a friend with the consequences of several shell shocks...
                      This is me for those cheerful people who need to hurry up, they say, “the front is not moving.” And the fact that the Ground Army was not prepared for war, boasting about the rearmament of the Small Army and hysterical delight from the screens that they flew into the war with a tiny group against an enemy that was many times larger in number and prepared for war, is already a fait accompli and everything that is done is done on wheels . But at least now there is no numerical imbalance, the fighters are dressed in normal uniforms, secure communications have appeared, aviation is working with the FAB with the UMPC, I just hear it at home, and so I call each other. So I laid out the picture for the “fish” - how it was, why, what was done and how it is. And this whole meat grinder a la WWII is a man-made fruit of laziness and sloppiness of all 8 years before the North Military District. If now everything is done correctly regarding preparation, by the summer there will be everything necessary to resolve the issue. But it’s scary to think how much it will cost now. But in 2014, a couple of divisions were enough to stop this chaos in the bud. But apparently chaos was what was needed.
                      If you are in recovery, speedy recovery and recovery. Don't waste your emotions on TV, better classical music and old films.
                      Everything will be fine . hi
      2. -1
        13 February 2024 09: 23
        So export supplies will not be superfluous here

        in conditions when they are forced to look for weapons in other countries, when there is no one to build civil aircraft in the country - export supplies (not barter) are stupid for transferring capital abroad...
        1. +1
          13 February 2024 12: 09
          Quote: Vladimir80
          in conditions where they are forced to look for weapons in other countries

          Not weapons, but ammunition, except for the Geranium. Moreover, in the case of Iran, counter deliveries are taking place. Moreover, 2 years ago Iran could not even imagine that it would supply anything military to Russia.
          Quote: Vladimir80
          (not barter)

          What does barter have to do with it if we pay with Iran in national currencies, and deliveries are counter-productive?
          Quote: Vladimir80
          there is no one to build civil aircraft

          Likewise, Sukhoi factories continue to recruit employees - orders have increased multiple times. Civil aircraft, this is a completely different story, which in the case of Iran also has its own interest - Iran intends to purchase 300 MS-21 and 120 - 150 Super Jets from the Russian Federation, so in this we have help in the form of a good promising order, which allows us to safely expand the production of civil aircraft to the full capacity of the ASZ and for a very good period of time. Moreover, today we have no alternative - only to develop our own civil aircraft industry. So everything will be done (now) as it should. And Iran will most likely supply us with its own version of the An-140, because we have already agreed on industrial cooperation in its production.
          Quote: Vladimir80
          to withdraw capital abroad...

          What the hell is this?!! Where should we take them out? Under arrest by Western prosecutors? To Iran? To China ?? To the Emirates? For military aircraft?
          1. -3
            13 February 2024 17: 10
            What the hell is this?!! Where should we take them out? Under arrest by Western prosecutors? To Iran? To China ?? To the Emirates? For military aircraft?

            Don’t be so naive, the withdrawal of capital continues, persons not on the sanctions lists continue to withdraw financial funds. means, and Aunt Elya with the puppet Tsebe helps them with this in every possible way....
            1. +1
              13 February 2024 19: 53
              And what does this have to do with the export of aircraft?
              To Iran?
              Who pays us not in currency, but in counter deliveries??
  9. +6
    13 February 2024 06: 07
    On a good neighborly basis, as it became clear.

    Is this a bold hint? laughing
    We were once neighbors with Iran, but (for now?) we stopped.

    I wonder how Iran will pay if it is through barter? And what currency, if money?

    And the topic is very interesting, not only Israel and its patron will be upset, there is also Azerbaijan and Turkey, and Saudi Arabia is unlikely to be happy.
    Well, China is also upset - the Chinese could sell the planes.
    1. +5
      13 February 2024 07: 32
      I wonder how Iran will pay if it is through barter? And what currency, if money?

      Most likely in yuan. Iran ranks 7th in oil exports and sells mainly to Chinese companies.
      https://bityl.co/O7tA

      Well, China is also upset - the Chinese could sell the planes.

      The maximum that the Chinese will sell is the J-10, and even then it is unlikely. They only sold them to Pakistan, 25 J-10C fighters in 2021. Maybe JF-17 Thunder - yes, it’s not a pity, but the Iranians themselves probably don’t want to buy them.
    2. +5
      13 February 2024 08: 59
      Quote: VicktorVR
      I wonder how Iran will pay if it is through barter? And what currency, if money?

      Everything is simple here - the planes are Russian, which means they will buy them for rubles. And earn rubles by counter deliveries of your goods to Russia. And they have something to offer. For example, Iranian energy gas turbines for the modernization of Russian thermal power plants. Previously, it was planned to modernize all thermal power plants in Russia using turbines from Siemens, but he left, and we still cannot have our own in the required quantity, capacity and range (although work is underway, but when will they arrive). And Iran turned out to have organized the production of such turbines at the Siemens quality level and the required power (here’s insulation for you). So it is customary to purchase turbines from Iran. And we have a lot of thermal power plants in Russia. Yes, and other goods from Persia may be of interest to us. Well, if we don’t have enough rubles, let’s take them in yuan. But I am sure that Iran will also be more interested in buying rubles.
      Quote: VicktorVR
      And the topic is very interesting, not only Israel and its patron will be upset, there is also Azerbaijan and Turkey, and Saudi Arabia is unlikely to be happy.

      This is not important and you can only get upset out of whim. Iranian missiles, which turned out to be very accurate and effective, are much more dangerous to them. And Iran has a lot of them. That's what you should be afraid of. But to demand that Iran stay with its dense “Phantoms” and “Tigers”, which are already crumbling on the fly, is simply bestiality. Iran's UN weapons sanctions have been lifted and it has the right to purchase what it needs. And we have the right to sell whatever Iran asks for.
      For Israel, these aircraft do not pose a threat, because they will be used primarily to provide air defense and will definitely not fly to the limit of their radius for air battles with the Israeli army. But it’s time for Iran to renew its aircraft fleet, and this should not surprise and/or outrage anyone.
      As for the Gulf monarchies, they have a completely modern air force with a fresh fleet of aircraft from Western manufacturers, and it is dishonest and unfair to interfere with Iran getting an equally fresh fleet of aircraft.
      If they are not confident in their own air defense, we can easily correct this matter for them - the effectiveness of our air defense/missile defense systems has been proven by the practice of combat use in the North Military District. If they want to renew their aircraft fleet, that’s also not a problem, and we definitely won’t fight off new orders. We will supply the Su-75, even the Su-57.
      But to demand that Iran remain with its dense aircraft fleet, and have all the newest things... this is not even injustice, this is outright obscenity. I am sure that the Gulf monarchies will definitely not make a scandal.
  10. -10
    13 February 2024 06: 44
    The supply of military aircraft to Iran under sanctions by us, who are also under sanctions, is cool.
    How will the US and NATO respond to this? Then he will definitely supply the F-16 to Ukraine. And our frozen assets will be confiscated. It will be an interesting exchange on the chessboard.
    1. +5
      13 February 2024 07: 34
      Is the F-16 something so scary? And our assets (what are they?) have not already been taken away? Will we definitely see them? Some straight cliches from various articles and publications. Are you proposing to bow to Western masters again, to please?
      1. -4
        13 February 2024 08: 55
        I don’t want to repeat myself, I answered what to do with the Western gentlemen in the morning commentary to the article about the EU, who decided that the income from our frozen funds should be directed to Ukraine.
        Any aircraft in the right hands is dangerous, remember our U-2 or PO-2 in WWII.
    2. +1
      13 February 2024 21: 45
      I have no assets, and I would not have seen the assets of the Russian Federation that were frozen even if there were no freezes or confiscations. Personally, I have nothing to lose, like the majority of the country’s population.
  11. -7
    13 February 2024 06: 49
    Aviation is very expensive and Iran has no money.
    1. +2
      13 February 2024 07: 35
      What bucks? Everyone is leaving them, wake up, it’s not the 90s anymore
      1. 0
        13 February 2024 09: 05
        Quote: Vadim S
        What bucks? Everyone is leaving them, wake up, it’s not the 90s anymore

        Who is all this? so far, for most countries in the world, it is profitable to keep your money in dollars... example. The president of some country has inflation of 50%, for the dollar it is 5% and less if in securities - in what is it more profitable for him to store reserves? Which currency is it easier to withdraw them from? For now, most countries will have higher inflation than the USA and will save money in dollars, supporting the USA..
  12. 0
    13 February 2024 07: 07
    Iranians do not hide the fact that the Su-35 could become a kind of springboard to the Su-57

    More likely to the SU-75, as a cheaper analogue of the f35, it just might become widespread.
    1. -1
      13 February 2024 09: 26
      The SU-75, as a cheaper analogue of the f35, can just become widespread

      by 2045, maybe if it works...
    2. +2
      13 February 2024 14: 36
      Quote: Petya Kuzmin
      More likely to the SU-75, as a cheaper analogue of the f35, it just might become widespread.

      The Su-75 is a promising project, but so far it exists only on paper. If everything goes relatively well, then maybe in ten years it will go into mass production. But again this is not certain...
  13. +4
    13 February 2024 07: 37
    Iran definitely needs to be armed! The country’s potential is enormous; if they have achieved great success in isolation, then with outside help it will be even easier. And we don’t have enough friends to refuse.
    1. -3
      13 February 2024 09: 15
      You're like in Vysotsky's song about a giraffe who fell in love with an antelope. We need to think a hundred times who we need to arm. And what preferences can we get? Otherwise, it will turn out like with Ecuador, then how much they gave our weapons to the United States, in principle, it is possible to arm a division.
      The country’s potential is enormous, it exists, but it’s not about our honor.
      1. +3
        13 February 2024 11: 07
        Quote: V.
        Iran definitely needs to be armed!

        The ATS bloc has already been armed, now they are fighting against us with weapons... and Iran is not even part of the military bloc with us... and it is not our friend - there are no friends in politics, as you will not understand..
        1. +2
          14 February 2024 15: 01
          It's not a problem that they gave them their weapons. The problem is that our politicians do not know how to create and keep allies.
          The centuries-old competition of different political groups in Europe gave rise to a whole school of people who could create allies for themselves for many centuries.
          For example Japan!!! For many centuries it was a closed, self-isolated country. Which led to its technological and scientific degradation. But she could not resist progress. But then something funny came.
          The first Europeans to regularly stop in Japan were the Dutch.
          The Americans forcibly “opened” Japan to international trade.
          But it was the British who made Japan an empire and the main Hegemon in Asia, since they needed an ally in the region that supported their policies. They built everything for them to become conquerors and trained all the key specialists who determined the country’s policy. From military officers who trained in the UK and the USA, to ministers and design engineers. And together with them, they built a new leadership that personally wanted to continue to be allies. If it were not for the strengthening of Germany in the 30s with the desire for an expansive policy, they might not have joined the Axis. But in the end, throughout the first third of the XNUMXth century, and the end of the XNUMXth century, Japan was a strong ally of Britain which they THEMSELVES CREATED.
          We are trying to give weapons to a strong country, hoping that they will become our allies. But here’s the problem: temporary partners can be created in these ways. But not strong allies.
          We want to get a strong ally - let's create one!
          For example, in Africa, we will create a new country with our efforts and expenses. We will train their specialists (teachers, design engineers, military, diplomats, etc.) at home. Let's build them universities and immediately bind them to joint scientific agreements. We will build production facilities and infrastructure. If necessary, we will help in their policy of strengthening and expanding the country. For example (to complicate opposition from Western countries) the unification of a number of countries and territories under the flag of a single, federal state. And the expansion of the country, carried out through the annexation of other regions, the inhabitants of which themselves rebel for the desire to join (and the population can be led to the desire to join somewhere, if the country to which it is necessary to join is actually progressing, and not just pretending to be developing).
          1. +1
            14 February 2024 16: 23
            Quote: Mustachioed Kok
            For example, in Africa, we will create a new country with our efforts and expenses. We will train their specialists (teachers, design engineers, military, diplomats, etc.) at home. Let's build them universities and immediately bind them to joint scientific agreements. We will build production facilities and infrastructure. If necessary, we will help in their policy of strengthening and expanding the country. For example (to complicate opposition from Western countries) the unification of a number of countries and territories under the flag of a single, federal state. And the expansion of the country, carried out through the annexation of other regions, the inhabitants of which themselves rebel for the desire to join (and the population can be led to the desire to join somewhere, if the country to which it is necessary to join is actually progressing, and not just pretending to be developing).

            very cleverly and appropriately presented.. I agree.. the only remark is that we ourselves would first become a country to which there are many who want to join, and then enter other countries with projects hi
            1. +2
              14 February 2024 16: 36
              Absolutely right. Having only a strong and self-sufficient economy and a stable political position, it will be possible to “create” allies in Africa.
  14. -2
    13 February 2024 08: 40
    Quote: Amateur
    And the fact that in Torzhok is not a front.


    and what's in there?
    helicopters fly over the village... and that's it
  15. +1
    13 February 2024 09: 15
    Iran does not border with any adversaries such as Israel or the United States (which could launch a dangerous ground operation and its neighbors are not ready to deploy squadrons and invasion forces. There is no direct danger. To carry out air strikes, both Israel and the United States need to fly through third countries (Airplanes and the Kyrgyz Republic ) To prevent such sudden (Incognito) attacks, we need modern air defense and air defense systems and fighters with powerful radars and AWACS (the country is mountainous). This will eliminate sudden attacks by unknown aircraft. To attack your enemies, there are MRBMs with conventional, accurate warheads.... So, Iran doesn’t need stealth and the Su35S (or better yet Su30SM2) is very much needed.
  16. +2
    13 February 2024 09: 46
    Polite Los (Alexander), dear, all Caspian countries have the same problem - the shallowing of the Caspian Sea. Oil was redirected from Kazakhstan to Baku and Makhachkala. The sea is getting shallower, and the only modern dredger "Kronshlot" on the Volga and Caspian Sea cannot cope. In 2014, when a series of 3 vessels was laid down on the Krasny Sormovo, for some reason it was believed that the Azov and Black Sea with the Baltic would be cleaned by ships built in Vietnam and the People's Republic of China. USC is where it is. They signed a contract with India that at their shipyards they will build 27 ships for the Caspian Sea (chemical tankers, bulk carriers, container ships), they just need to maintain the Volga-Caspian Canal as indicated in the directions... With the railway. from Azerbaijani article Astara via Iranian station. Astara to Iranian station. Rasht Russian Railways of the Russian Federation did the best they could. They signed an agreement with Iran, but a year later they left the project... So BTA flies to Iran.
  17. 0
    13 February 2024 10: 16
    Quote: Tucan
    In addition, the author “forgot” about the Iraqi Su-20 and Su-22, but there were also quite a few of them.

    Well, to put it mildly, the airplanes are also not quite fresh, just not at all...
    So this doesn't change the picture.
  18. +1
    13 February 2024 12: 04
    I doubt that it’s worth even thinking about supplying Iran with Su-57s. Firstly, the plane is, I would say, transitional. Almost our first attempt in the field of “stealth”, judging by open sources, was not very successful (precisely in this direction). Secondly, we ourselves will need to re-equip ourselves with it quickly (if it is really good with second-stage engines), and if it is not so suitable, and is just a transitional machine, it will probably not be very rational to retool production for its mass production - and here, perhaps, based on the experience of operating the Su-57 and data on foreign "5s", it is worth moving on without wasting resources.
  19. BAI
    -1
    13 February 2024 12: 43
    Back in 2018, the Iranian military was very interested in the progress of work on the Su-57. Considering that the aircraft underwent full testing in Syria and Ukraine, where it showed all its strengths, it is doubtful that this interest has waned.

    There will be no Su-57 for the next 20 years. It will end up in Israel right away. Israel already has experience. M.b. Su-75.
  20. 0
    13 February 2024 13: 04
    Quote from AdAstra
    Hamas should have thought first of all about Palestinian children and women when they started their “small and victorious” adventure, otherwise they dug tunnels for weapons and their fighters, but there is no shelter for civilians.

    The Hamas adventure was entirely orchestrated by the Mossad on the instructions of Netanyahu and company. And they also provided for extras in slippers with Kalash guns to massacre the population on camera, both for the media picture and for educating their own population.
    I wonder, after the “final solution” to the Palestinian problem, who will be next? Lebanon? Jordan?
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  22. +2
    13 February 2024 13: 30
    Iran is a state where the options are not very diverse. They could sell Mig35. This could have saved Mig. But judging by the fact that this was not done, Mig is already hopelessly lost as an aircraft manufacturer. Mig35 could only be sold to Iran or the DPRK. The DPRK will not be sold due to differences in ideology. Here the Russian Federation is more of an ally to South Korea, but that’s not the point. Wouldn’t it be to the detriment of the Russian Air Force to load production facilities in Komsomolsk with export orders when the Su35 itself is needed?
    1. +1
      13 February 2024 14: 42
      Quote: Lumberjack
      Mig35 could only be sold to Iran or the DPRK. The DPRK will not be sold due to differences in ideology. Here the Russian Federation is more of an ally to South Korea, but that’s not the point.

      As the hero of one Soviet film, a capitalist, said, he won’t peck out a capitalist’s eye.
  23. +1
    13 February 2024 16: 00
    "Will Russia make aircraft for Iran? Of course. In general, this union of two outcasts - a useful thing for both sides."
    somehow I don’t consider the Russian Federation an outcast hi maybe the author needs to think a little about what to write...
  24. +2
    13 February 2024 17: 12
    Is the most modern fighter in the Iranian Air Force the MiG-29 of the first production? Of course, the 35th looked like a killer monster from a horror movie.

    Well, not really. But compared to the rest of the Iranian Air Force fleet, yes.
    Well, the Israelis are not so scared yet.
    What will the Iranian fighter do? Will he be late? To intercept, you need to be in time. Syria is closer to Israel than to Iran. Even omitting that Iran finds out about the Israeli Air Force raid after the fact, who should they fly through?
    Through Kurdistan? Are the Turks sleeping? Through Iraq? What will they say? If they don’t create a no-fly zone, they will receive sanctions on oil trade.
    The maximum is if the Syrians allow the Iranians to drag their planes to Syria. But this is only possible if you are based together with ours. We know very well how holey the sky is in Syria, and as if these Drying on the ground from tomahawks would not end.
    But overall the news is good.
    Iran ranks first in oil reserves, there are a lot of people, the land is fertile, the subsoil is rich, the border is straight, access to the Indian Ocean, an ally with the border with both the Turks and Central Asia, the market is free, and what a scale. Anything is better than selling everything to the Indians. And the Chinese are happy and the military-industrial complex is fed up.
  25. +2
    13 February 2024 18: 01
    In Iran, the first delivery of Russian fighters was called very pathetically: “Day of Dawn.” Good title, it's really a start.
    In recent years, we often celebrate victories, sometimes we rejoice at Trump’s coming to power, sometimes we die of happiness - Kim Jong-un has arrived, then Carlson has arrived, then Iran is a friend and ally. Alas, they are not our allies, but fellow travelers. There's nothing wrong with that. It’s just that at some point our interests may coincide. Remember how long we armed Egypt, and then Sadat asked us to leave, and Khattab and his ilk with the first Chechen war - remember? We must remember. Because tomorrow their interests may not coincide, but they will still have our modern weapons. And, in my opinion, transferring precisely these modern weapons to temporary travel companions, in the conditions of a shortage of these very modern weapons, is not very smart.
  26. -2
    13 February 2024 20: 19
    Airplanes are apparently in exchange for shells, suicide bombs and missiles
    It is profitable for Russia to supply aircraft so that missiles can be produced for these aircraft
    What a blessing that North Korea was found with shells, our warehouses were empty.
  27. -3
    13 February 2024 21: 41
    Skomorokhov, when did the Su-35 manage to arrive in Iran and under its own power? For now these are rumors.
  28. +1
    13 February 2024 23: 01
    The author, while listing long- and short-range missiles, did not say anything about medium-range missiles.
  29. 0
    14 February 2024 11: 27
    “First of all, military orders from outside are useful for Russia; they have a beneficial effect on the economy, introducing customers’ money into it...”
    Here we must take into account not what the customer wants to buy, but whether he has the necessary goods to exchange for national currency or foreign currency - not US dollars, not Euros, at least Chinese yuan.
    What should Rosoboronexport do with the Iranian real? Or North Korean won? Only military-technical barter, and here the partners can offer not many modern solutions in exchange for the same 4++ aircraft
    Therefore, there may be people willing to buy, but they cannot offer anything valuable in exchange.
  30. 0
    14 February 2024 11: 54
    Quote: English Tarantas
    Or is it another?

    There are no right and no wrong in this conflict.
    This trouble is two thousand years old, and the culprits can no longer be found.
    How many Jews did the Romans slaughter because they did not want to submit to Rome? How many Christians when we were just a new Jewish sect? How many later did Christians themselves kill Jews because their ancestor had once betrayed Christ?
    Every people has the right to live, to live on their own land, and to live in peace.
    But people like you don’t care much about you. For all your arguments, you continue to blame and stigmatize only Jews.
    Ours are grinding down the cities of Ukraine and the Ukrainians themselves, because they continue to fight on the side of their fascist government. The Jews continue to bomb Gaza because they continue to give shelter to Hamas, which continues to kill Jews in their country.
    But some are fascists, and others are anti-fascists.
    Decide who is who here, and you will finally decide whether you are an anti-Semite or a human being.

    Why are you immediately branding people with slogans? The problem is many years old and there is a solution that even Hamas agrees to. A resolution, if I’m not mistaken, from the 70s, according to which Israel must withdraw troops from the occupied part of Palestine and neighboring countries. If Hamas agrees to follow this path, I’m not sure about Fatah, but given the distribution of forces, it can be persuaded to sit down at the negotiating table. And there is no need to compare the SVO and the Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip, simply because the SVO has been ongoing for about 2 years and the civilian casualties are several times less than the Israeli operation in 5 months. Or are you suggesting that Russia act like Israel and drive Ukrainian cities into the ground, motivating this, as you said, “they are sheltering Hamas terrorists, oh, we need to insert Azov here”?!?!? Strictly your logic :) with respect to the long-suffering people of Israel. Therefore, I am a supporter of the implementation of the UN Security Council resolution
  31. +1
    19 February 2024 21: 39
    After our valiant air defense forces once again shoot down their own SU-35S (friendfire), they will simply soon run out before new ones are built and transferred to units.
  32. 0
    21 February 2024 12: 00
    First secure your army. Otherwise, we didn’t have time to assemble the model and it was already for sale. fool
  33. 0
    14 March 2024 15: 38
    And only in 2020-2021, when there was simply nowhere to fall further, Iran resumed negotiations with Russia, which also suffered from Western sanctions imposed in an assortment. And as a result, in 2022, a semi-informal gentlemen’s agreement on mutual assistance was concluded between the two countries. On a good neighborly basis, as it became clear. Sometimes it really isn't necessary to cover every step in a relationship with signed documents.

    It’s just that sanctions and the need for cheap UAVs forced me to go visit the Persians.
    Mutually beneficial exchange, without contracts.
  34. 0
    April 18 2024 11: 15
    Is that the 35th or the 57th on the screensaver? wink
  35. 0
    April 29 2024 20: 30
    Quote from AdAstra
    So, why did the state of Israel so annoy you personally?

    The state has not annoyed anyone, but the Zionist regime of Netanyahu is mowing down tens of thousands of Palestinian children.
    Of the 34 killed in the last genocide, more than 500 were children under 14 years of age.

    The Zionists surpassed the bloodthirstiness of the Nazis!