How much does Geranium cost?

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How much does Geranium cost?
"Geranium-2" approaching the target. Photo by AFP


Since the fall of 2022, the Russian army has been using attack unmanned kamikaze aerial vehicles of the Geranium-2 type in the Special Operation to protect Donbass. This technique and its successful application immediately attracted the attention of the foreign press and specialists. They tried to establish the origin of the new UAVs, the features of their production, as well as the cost of serial products and the economics of their combat use.



First versions


The first versions of the origin and price of Russian “Geranium-2” appeared already in September-October 2022, shortly after the start of their use. Based on the appearance of these products and the characteristics of the debris found after the strikes, foreign countries concluded that these UAVs were of Iranian origin. It was assumed that "Geran-2" is a renamed or localized version of the "Shahed-136" product, developed in Iran.

Abroad, they immediately tried to assess the technical potential of the new Russian UAV and its economic features. Due to the lack of accurate data, different versions and estimates have been proposed. A version according to which the price of a serial “Gerani-2” is at the level of 20 thousand US dollars has become widespread.

It was assumed that it is the limited cost of such products that allows the Russian army to purchase them en masse and actively use them. In the fall of 2022, dozens of weapons could be used simultaneously in massive attacks on military and dual-use infrastructure. drones and comparable quantities of missile weapons. If the Geraniums were more expensive than the estimated 20 thousand, organizing such attacks would be more difficult, if not impossible.


Attempt to shoot down "Geran" with small arms weapons. Photo Telegram / Sashakots

According to new data


Strikes on Ukrainian targets using Geranium-2 have long become regular and do not attract the same attention. Nevertheless, people abroad continue to be interested in such drones and are trying to obtain new information. Recently, new information of this kind appeared in foreign sources.

Reportedly, one of the foreign hacker groups was able to hack the resources of an Iranian company engaged in cooperation with Russia, and obtained documents on the sale and joint production of attack UAVs. Published documents and presentations reveal organizational issues, some plans, etc. In addition, the cost of production of serial drones is given.

Attention should be paid to the dubious origin of the published documents. It is unclear whether they are real and whether they can reflect the real state of affairs. It cannot be ruled out that we are talking about an “information operation” and the injection of data by foreign intelligence services. For what purpose they did this is a big question.

Published materials claim that the Iranian side initially set a price of 375 thousand US dollars (approx. 23 million rubles) for each Shahed-136 / Geranium-2 UAV of its production. During further negotiations, the cost of the equipment decreased. So, with a series size of 2 thousand units. The price of one product was reduced to 290 thousand (18 million rubles). The three times larger series gave a price of 190 thousand dollars - 12 million rubles. Complete localization of production at the Russian site will reduce the price to 48,8 thousand dollars or 3 million rubles.

Recently it has been reported that the Russian army is developing other UAVs that are similar to Geran-2, but have their own characteristics. Again they were assumed to be of Iranian origin. According to papers from hackers, the Shahed-238 jet drone, similar to the Geranium-2, costs $1,4 million and its mass purchases are already planned. A similar device with an optical-electronic guidance system was valued at $900 thousand.


The result of the destruction of the Geran-2 UAV object. Photo Telegram / Dambiev

Old estimates and new data on the cost of the Geranium drums differ by an order of magnitude. The reasons for this are generally clear. The version about the cost of the drone at $20 thousand was purely speculative and not based on facts. Now they are offering supposedly real documents with information from direct participants in the production. At the same time, a fake cannot be ruled out - and its authors could have written any numbers that corresponded to their intentions.

Economics of Impact


Despite all the efforts of foreign analysts and the alleged actions of hackers, the real cost of the Geranium-2 UAV and other similar products remains unknown. Available estimates differ by an order of magnitude, and it is unclear which of them is closer to the truth. However, in this case, we can note the main features of attack drones and the economics of their combat use.

The maximum estimate of the cost of “Geranium-2” in foreign sources is 375 thousand dollars. It is alleged that mass production made it possible to reduce the price by approximately half. In both cases, the strike UAV turns out to be significantly cheaper than the Caliber or Kh-101 cruise missiles, also used for attacks on Ukrainian targets. At the same time, the level of performance of the drone and missiles corresponds to the assigned combat missions.

The relatively low cost of "Geraniums" allows you to organize massive strikes. Dozens of such products can be used simultaneously, targeting objects in one area or almost throughout Ukraine. If necessary, UAVs are complemented by other strike weapons, but the cost of the attack generally remains low.


Iranian launcher for the Shahed-136 UAV. Photo Telegram / Dambiev

Experience in the operation and use of Geranium-2 shows that one such UAV can cause damage to the enemy beyond its cost, even if we take the maximum estimate of the latter. In this case, it is necessary to take into account not only the cost of the destroyed object, but also the consequences of such a strike for the infrastructure, armed forces of the enemy, etc. The total damage could be even greater.

Due to the design features and flight characteristics, the Geran-2 UAVs are quite a difficult target for enemy air defense. Not all anti-aircraft weapons available to Ukrainian formations can detect such targets and are guaranteed to hit them. Accordingly, the drone’s chances of breaking through air defenses and hitting a target increase.

If the UAV is shot down, it will also cause some economic damage to the enemy. The fact is that the main types of anti-aircraft missiles in service with the Ukrainian air defense are at least not cheaper than the Geranium. Intercepting such a drone will be more expensive than launching it. At the same time, the Kiev regime has far from endless reserves of anti-aircraft weapons, and foreign patrons also face restrictions when organizing supplies. However, in their justification, they can consider that the expensive interception of Geranium-2 made it possible to eliminate much greater losses.


New UAVs of the "Shahed" series of Iranian production. Photo by Iranian TV

Cost issues


It is obvious that military equipment and weapons must not only show the required tactical and technical characteristics, but also have an acceptable price. The cost of production and operation must correspond to the financial capabilities of the army and the tasks being solved. According to this logic, both advanced designs with the highest characteristics and simple but cheap products can be effective and useful.

The Geran-2 attack kamikaze drone and other examples of this family have been demonstrating the correctness of this approach since the fall of 2022. They have a simple design and are relatively cheap to manufacture, so they can be produced in large quantities and actively used for massive strikes.

The production and use of such equipment does not require special expenses, but allows it to inflict significant damage on the enemy - disabling its facilities and at the same time depleting its arsenals of anti-aircraft weapons. In light of the goals and objectives of the current Special Operation, weapons with such capabilities and features look useful and necessary. And we should expect that strikes using Geraniums will continue.
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  1. +8
    February 11 2024
    The issue of price was never clarified)))) of course, economics is important, where would we be without it. But here the question is more about necessity, if these UAVs are important and they will be produced.
    1. +3
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Ovsigovets
      The issue of price has not yet been clarified)))
      In mathematics there is such a section as “inequality”. In this article, the author operates with this mathematical concept, that is, he constantly compares the total cost of a missile launch with the cost of the affected objects + the cost of air defense missile launches. If the amount of total damage to the enemy exceeds the amount of the missile launch, then everything seems to be normal, that is, the enemy was reduced to a larger amount and the money spent on the missile launch was justified. Just.
      1. +1
        February 11 2024
        So this is understandable)))) but what is the title))))) and regarding the expediency, I wrote more briefly and more simply in my first post
        1. +3
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Ovsigovets
          but what is the title)))))
          So the title, as always and like everyone else, is simply intriguing, otherwise few people will take the bait to read the article... It’s a common and very common practice today, I don’t think it’s worth it to be offended by the author about this.
          1. +1
            February 11 2024
            It seems that the author is from another planet. The basis of this UAV is an engine, like any other. It was not produced in Russia until recently. Everything else is a penny. The accuracy of the positioning system is 1,5 meters, plus the accuracy of the control system. The UAV, without feedback, launched far and hoped that it would fly exactly along the route and reach the entered coordinates while maintaining the specified flight profile. The latter is provided by an altimeter, most likely barometric, possibly combined. The control system is a primitive autonomous one with correction, plus a standard Glonass-M receiver. A cheap engine makes a terrible noise; one can only dream of a silent Japanese engine, like on their mopeds. The UAV is no more expensive than the US Krasnopol-D, about 70 thousand greenbacks in the past...
            1. -1
              February 11 2024
              Quote: Vitov
              The basis of this UAV is an engine, like any other. It was not produced in Russia until recently. Everything else is a penny.

              Would it be with him? The Iranians make a disposable two-stroke engine with a running time of 3-4 hours for 600 bucks, as far as I remember. Do you think the control system, steering drives and inertial system are cheaper?
              1. 0
                February 11 2024
                Tell this to the manufacturers of the Orion-Pacer UAV. They have actually not produced UAVs for 2 years due to the lack of an engine... What is expensive is what is not there and has nothing to replace if necessary.
                1. 0
                  February 11 2024
                  Just because of the engine? They have everything else, but they can’t buy an Austrian engine for a hundred thousand bucks? And they have their own GOES, and an on-board computer, and a train of sensors, and servos? Let the Iranians be asked, they buy these engines through China without any problems.
                  1. KCA
                    0
                    February 12 2024
                    For the production of electronics, we bought an entire plant from KTRV, where the components are purchased, I don’t know, most likely in China, like almost the whole world
                    1. 0
                      February 12 2024
                      Well, the question is how massively they can produce there. I suspect it is not the engine that is the limiting stage; they are installed in every second Western corn farm and they are inexpensive compared to the drone itself. One hundred thousand bucks in bayraktar for 5-7 lyams is just a few percent.
                2. KCA
                  0
                  February 12 2024
                  Orions are produced and used, I don’t know how with the production of Sirius, but at least they fly about 5 kilometers from the plant, there was a video, they filmed the flyover from the car window, I recognized the place without any problems
      2. +10
        February 11 2024
        the author ... constantly compares the total cost of a missile launch with the cost of affected objects + the cost of air defense missile launches.

        he doesn't compare at all. I would like to give an example of the cost of air defense missiles. But this is not the case either. It seems that the author himself is interested in how much Geranium actually costs, so he seems to be turning to the “VO” community with a proposal to open a discussion on this topic :))
        Well, I think the foreign estimate of 20 thousand is quite objective. If the Persians twisted an order of magnitude more, then they warmed their hands well on our hopelessness. There is nothing about Geranium that makes it cost more than a car. IMHO. If we are talking specifically about the device itself, and not about the complex.
        PS The site is terribly slow when I type!
        1. +1
          February 11 2024
          Quote: MBRBS
          There is nothing in Geranium that makes it cost more than a car

          And there’s nothing worth it there. Probably, the engine, which, as they say, is almost from a moped, and perhaps also a set of microcircuits has some value wink
          1. 0
            February 11 2024
            paradox....there’s nothing worth it, but it’s worth it.
        2. 0
          February 11 2024
          Quote: MBRBS
          PS The site is terribly slow when I type!

          Type in any text editor, copy and paste.
          1. +1
            February 11 2024
            Li17 The fact is that this strong inhibition appeared the other day, maybe yesterday. Before this it was more or less acceptable.
            Moreover, the more text you type, the more it starts to slow down. And sometimes the sending freezes, but this has happened before.
            1. +2
              February 11 2024
              It’s the same for me... and, as I understand it, there is a check going on so that they don’t give out anything! This appeared immediately after the site was updated. It can be judged that serious structures are already working on this site!
            2. +2
              February 11 2024
              Quote: MBRBS
              Lithium17 The thing is that this strong braking appeared the other day, maybe yesterday. Before this it was more or less acceptable.

              Not yesterday, but a couple of weeks, already, or maybe earlier, after the site was updated.
              Quote: MBRBS
              Moreover, the more text you type, the more it starts to slow down.

              It's the same. It's annoying.
              A version according to which the price of a serial “Gerani-2” is at the level of 20 thousand US dollars has become widespread.

              The price is clearly too high.
        3. +1
          February 11 2024
          Wow ! I have the same. Just recently I upgraded my old laptop by replacing the hard drive, RAM and OS. I have already started to blame the system. Although it does not start to slow down immediately, but after some time. Now I’m typing the text and there are no problems, but after half an hour.....
        4. +8
          February 11 2024
          PS The site is terribly slow when I type!


          What did you want, a server in the USA. As befits a patriotic site. wassat
          https://yapl.ru/geo/topwar.ru/
        5. 0
          February 11 2024
          Quote: MBRBS
          Well, I think the foreign estimate of 20 thousand is quite objective.

          The Iranians cited these figures in their documents many years ago. And procurement is generally a complicated matter, how much the sellers charged, what kind of kickback there was for the negotiators and whether there was one - a mystery
        6. 0
          February 11 2024
          Quote: MBRBS
          I think the foreign estimate of 20 thousand is quite objective. If the Persians twisted an order of magnitude more, then they warmed their hands well on our hopelessness.

          I don’t think they broke that much. With a cost price of about $10 (or even lower), the price for us may be $000, but not $50, which is what our “Caliber” costs, which has a transonic speed and a warhead that is 000 times heavier.
        7. 0
          February 11 2024
          PS The site is terribly slow when I type!

          Type the text in a simple notepad file. Then
          copy paste
      3. +1
        February 12 2024
        The author was simply trying to justify such a high cost of one drone, equal to one passenger car. Aren't they gold? What could be so valuable even in electronics?
    2. +2
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Ovsigovets
      The price issue has not yet been clarified.

      Here is the maximum from foreign sources:
      The maximum estimate of the cost of “Geranium-2” in foreign sources is 375 thousand dollars.

      This is 34 rubles at the current exchange rate...
      These are 17 decent sedans or 4 “horsepower” Cruzaks...
      Something is wrong in this house of Chemezov (or someone else).
      According to the stated characteristics, its price should not exceed 4 rubles...
      And it’s ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL to mention dollars in this department...
      1. +2
        February 11 2024
        Quote: ROSS 42
        These are 17 decent sedans or 4 “horsepower” Cruzaks...

        And in mopeds the number goes into the hundreds.
        1. +3
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And in mopeds the number goes into the hundreds.

          Exactly!!! And something is positioned somehow...
          Are the leadership there generally familiar with the prices of goods and services, or have they destroyed our socialism in order to live in their own comm-capitalism?
          1. +3
            February 11 2024
            Quote: ROSS 42
            There in the manual they are generally familiar with the prices of goods

            If you remember how Putin bought his friend Erdogan ice cream for 5 thousand, and gave the change to Manturov for the development of aviation, then for him the prices of goods are a dark windfall.
            1. +3
              February 11 2024
              and gave the change to Manturov for the development of aviation,
              Judging by the funding of our office, the change has already ended, we are waiting for the next purchase of ice cream.
      2. -1
        February 11 2024
        I would not believe the price tags they announced..... and from foreign sources I would only believe the Iranian manufacturer)))
    3. +3
      February 11 2024
      The question of price, based on the cost of the motor, is approximately $500, electronics is still a stretch of $200-700, the cost of the housing, propeller is $1000 +/-, and + explosives, $300 and optics are included separately, well, also somewhere around 1500 -$2300 and that’s about 5 thousand dollars, well, I don’t think it’s more expensive
      1. KCA
        0
        February 12 2024
        For $500 you can buy completely new mopeds and remove the engines from them; in Moscow time they cost from $800, the rest can be sold, and you can also go +
    4. +1
      February 12 2024
      The West calculates the cost of geranium from calculations of production and purchases at home, which is why the prices are so high. The real cost is unlikely to exceed a couple of million rubles. The cost of a drone with a limited resource and an internal combustion engine cannot be more expensive than a production car, which means we look at the VAZ and believe that price from 600 thousand to 2 million rubles.
      I, of course, am not an accountant of the RF Ministry of Defense, but I think that the price range could be lower. AM5RICANS considered 1 Excalibur shell from $150k, then during mass production they promised to reduce the price to 70. Their cost of consumption is on average 10 times higher than with us, and considering that we buy not for dollars, but for rubles, it is somewhat unreasonable to bring the price to the dollar.
  2. -1
    February 11 2024
    Ukraine is not interested in the issue of the price of air defense missiles, because they simply lack their production. beggars beg for rockets and don't pay anything for it. Western manufacturers, in parallel with supplying missiles to homeless beggars, are at the same time testing them in real combat.
    1. +2
      February 11 2024
      Of course, Ukraine is interested in the price of air defense missiles and, in general, everything that the West supplies it with.
      Because the West operates in terms of the cost of supplied weapons.
      And it would be better for Ukraine if the missile for the Patriot cost (exaggerating) 100 bucks, and not 3 million bucks. Simply because the West would supply many times more missiles. Or I would bet something else on the difference in cost.
      1. bar
        0
        February 11 2024
        Even if the “patriot” was free, Ukraine would not receive any more. There is simply nowhere to get more than they have already been given, unless they drain their own air defense. Creating technology is not printing pieces of paper.
        1. +1
          February 11 2024
          There is simply nowhere to get more than they have already been given, unless they drain their own air defense

          The United States and others were already leaking their own air defense, supplying what they had already supplied to Ukraine.
          I very much doubt that in the United States until 2022 they made air defense installations and missiles for them and stored them in the “For Ukraine” warehouse.
          What was transferred came from reserves for oneself or from availability.
          And as for “there’s simply nowhere to get it” - well, that’s not true. :) The United States has about five thousand patriots in service around the world. This does not include those that were produced and put into reserve and those that were produced and sold to other countries.
          And, of course, a lot of missiles were fired at them.

          Therefore, if the United States really wanted to, it would supply a lot of complexes and a huge number of missiles for them. Which, by the way, is what Zelya and other “great” commanders of Ukraine constantly talk about.

          The problem for Ukraine is precisely that the United States does not really want to supply such expensive weapons. Because they are afraid of anti-advertising and leaks, firstly, and secondly, the United States does not have a clear goal in this war. And Ukraine’s goals like “reaching the borders of 91” are clear even to Biden that they are nonsense.
  3. +2
    February 11 2024
    . Zero useful information.
  4. 0
    February 11 2024
    I especially enjoyed this phrase:
    The production and use of such equipment does not require special expenses.

    What, honestly?
  5. +2
    February 11 2024
    1. The price of "Geranium" has not been announced. Well, that’s understandable; it hasn’t been officially named in the Russian Federation yet. Usually on the Internet they write about 20K-50K bucks.
    2. In thinking about economics, the author forgot to mention the number of “geraniums” knocked down. Moreover, if previously they were shot down only by missiles, which was, as it were, in our favor from an economic point of view, then for a year now in Ukraine there have been “Cheetahs” and other things + maneuverable groups with machine guns. Which radically reduces the cost of shooting down. In general, Geranium cannot be considered super effective if it destroyed a tank. Because we forget that a lot of Geraniums have not yet arrived. Or hit the wrong targets. Or she got to the right place, but the Ukrainian Armed Forces had already left there. Or something else.

    Therefore, if we talk about the economy, we should calculate the cost and effect of the “volley”.
    For example: 10 Geraniums were released. 6 shot down, 2 hit a garage with three H1 Hummers. 1 hit a barn where three VSU officers were sitting, 1 destroyed a power line support.
    Price = 10 * 50K == 500K USD
    Effort = 3 * 120K + 3 * 80K + 1 * 25K = 625K.
    It would seem great, they won by as much as 125K bucks. But! Now we need to remove from Effort the price of what the West supplies - hummers. And it won't turn out so great.

    Of course, there are a lot of side effects, such as costs for delivery, a difficult to measure impact on the morale of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and on the West’s desire to continue assistance, the cost of the work of the local Ministry of Emergency Situations, and so on.
    1. -2
      February 11 2024
      Efficiency statistics can only be calculated by the General Staff; they know how many were launched and how many flew. According to statistics, they probably shoot down more than they launched. Well, in the General Staff they choose targets. If they launch geraniums at a grain terminal, what damage will it do? It’s logical that if it’s at a refinery, then it definitely pays off, but if it’s at a radar station in the Kharkov region, and they didn’t hit it, then it definitely doesn’t.
      1. +1
        February 11 2024
        >>If they launch geraniums at a grain terminal, what damage will it do?
        Well, you can estimate the cost of construction + the cost of repairs.
        But I am more than sure that no one is doing this. So... they almost see that we are causing more damage than the Ukrainian economy can bear. Well, okay, we must continue, then.

        Efficiency statistics can only be calculated by the General Staff; they know how many were launched and how many flew.

        For some reason, I think that the word “probably” should be added to your phrase. :) Our all-seeing eye is not all-seeing at all.
        1. 0
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Denis812
          For some reason, I think that the word “probably” should be added to your phrase. :) Our all-seeing eye is not all-seeing at all.

          Well, they at least know how many they launched at the target, and if the target is intact, it means nothing hit. Or they launched two things, two oil depots burned down. But we only have Ukrainian fairy tales that 70 geraniums were launched at them in a couple of hours and they shot down 65, showing the wreckage of only two geraniums at point-blank range somewhere in the city. We cannot draw any conclusions from this, we can blind or blind, depending on our own character
          1. 0
            February 11 2024
            they know at least how many they launched at the target, and if the target is intact, it means nothing hit

            How do you know if the target is intact or not? The rubber band was placed - the target is intact - no.

            Or they launched two things, two oil depots burned down

            Or two oil storage facilities.
            or 2*X tank farms.
            Or something else is unclear.
            1. 0
              February 11 2024
              Quote: Denis812
              How do you know if the target is intact or not? The rubber band was placed - the target is intact - no.

              Well, we still have satellites, we can see if the target has turned black
              1. 0
                February 12 2024
                If it's an oil storage facility or a gas station - yes, everything is simple. I looked and saw.
                Only these are piecemeal goals.
                What if it’s a hostel for militants or a hotel? I looked and saw that they had hit it, it seemed like they had destroyed it. The satellite will not say whether anyone was killed there or not. This is only human intelligence. No other way.
                1. 0
                  February 12 2024
                  Well, according to the arrangements, yes, only through agents or if someone on the Ukrainian Internet starts crying.
  6. +7
    February 11 2024
    Another question arises: why did we not have such products, they were purchased from Iran. Haven't tried it in Bangladesh. It seems that someone is out of place and is slowing down the supply of modern weapons to our army, above 85%, as Shoigu said.
    1. +2
      February 11 2024
      because in England you can't clean a gun with a brick
    2. bar
      0
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Plowman
      Another question arises: why did we not have such products, they were purchased from Iran.

      Because our doctrine was different from the Iranian one. We built a nuclear triad and combat aircraft for the war with the global West. But drones were more useful to Iran in its small-town disputes with Israel.
      1. +5
        February 11 2024
        Quote: bar
        Because our doctrine was different from the Iranian one. We built a nuclear triad and combat aircraft for the war with the global West.

        And at the same time, in the modern history of Russia we are waging the fifth military conflict not with the global West.
        1. bar
          0
          February 13 2024
          In your opinion, the war in Ukraine is not with the global West?
          1. 0
            February 13 2024
            Quote: bar
            In your opinion, the war in Ukraine is not with the global West?

            No.
            1. bar
              0
              February 13 2024
              Okay, no more questions
      2. +2
        February 11 2024
        Quote: bar
        We built a nuclear triad and combat aircraft for the war with the global West.

        It would be interesting to know, of course, whether you were well prepared for this. Hangars were probably built for aircraft that could withstand a nuclear explosion.
        1. bar
          0
          February 13 2024
          Why these questions? After all, apparently you don’t believe in Sarmatians/daggers/vanguards and other “cartoons”?
          1. 0
            February 13 2024
            I don't believe in having testicles involved. And the war with NATO is not only sending vigorous loaves of bread and that’s it, but also minimizing the consequences of the response, and the war after the first exchanges. I strongly doubt that a country ready for war with NATO is not ready to fight Ukraine. It's like saying that someone who can fight a bear with their hands can hardly defeat a 12-year-old boy in a fist fight.
            1. bar
              0
              February 13 2024
              Quote from alexoff
              I do not believe

              Well, that's also an argument...
              1. 0
                February 14 2024
                An argument supported by facts. During its time, zero Ukrainian generals, officials or propagandists died. What kind of Americans are we talking about?
  7. -1
    February 11 2024
    Quote: Denis812
    Ukraine is interested in the price of air defense missiles and, in general, everything that the West supplies it with.

    It seems to me that this is a misconception, in fact, supporting the West costs practically nothing - it’s not difficult to “draw” more money to pay for military supplies - the whole difficulty is only in convincing your own senators and congressmen and in agreeing on the final amount sent to the Hoch. Lamas
    1. bar
      +2
      February 11 2024
      It seems to me that the whole difficulty lies in turning printed pieces of paper into real hardware. The inflated economics of finance is not at all the same as the real economy
  8. +2
    February 11 2024
    Published materials claim that the Iranian side initially set a price of 375 thousand US dollars (approx. 23 million rubles) for each Shahed-136 / Geranium-2 UAV of its production. During further negotiations, the cost of the equipment decreased. So, with a series size of 2 thousand units. The price of one product was reduced to 290 thousand (18 million rubles). The three times larger series gave a price of 190 thousand dollars - 12 million rubles. Complete localization of production at the Russian site will reduce the price to 48,8 thousand dollars or 3 million rubles.


    I think the numbers are similar to the truth. If Shahed was worth $20 thousand, i.e. was easy to manufacture, Ukrainian analogues would have come to us long ago, but Ukrainian UAVs carry a significantly smaller payload.

    PS Judging by the dollar exchange rate (62 rubles), the data was leaked no later than December 2022. Now the dollar is 91, the ruble price of Iranian Drones and components for gray imports has increased accordingly.
  9. -1
    February 11 2024
    Here we must proceed from how much a human life saved as a result of the destruction of an object is worth. Expensive or cheap, the question of the price of a product fades into the background if this product copes with its tasks to one degree or another. If they with such calculations they try to understand how much money we have enough, then them It must be remembered that Russia has practically endless resources, both material and financial.
  10. +4
    February 11 2024
    According to papers from hackers, the Shahed-238 jet drone, similar to the Geranium-2, costs $1,4 million and its mass purchases are already planned.


    Micro FAU-1 at the price of Caliber, but with used parts. 10 times smaller, an extremely dubious product.
  11. 0
    February 11 2024
    When in the states or in Germany the Defense Ministry wants to receive new weapons, are all the requirements published in open sources?
    This is what... We constantly publish tenders for purchase, supply, and development.
    There are probably tenders for the defense industry too, but they are closed.
    How are they doing? Are they also closed? Or whoever offers the best will receive money from the military?
  12. 0
    February 11 2024
    Reasoning based on an analysis carried out by who knows who and for who knows what. Idle nonsense. I think the price of 20 t.d. is either realistic or a little overpriced. But this does not take into account warheads. A geranium without a warhead is essentially a toy with a motor. There is nothing at all complicated there. Plus it's clearly a mass release.
  13. +1
    February 11 2024
    Chatter. Just a few numbers, I expected more from an article with such a title, at least a breakdown of “Geranium” by components with an approximate estimate of the cost of each.
  14. 0
    February 11 2024
    And as an option for the massive use of decoys and interference. Several hundred pieces at a time, under a thousand
  15. 0
    February 11 2024
    Well, the most important result of using geraniums is that now riding a moped in Ukraine has become reprehensible. A very mixed reaction from the population to the sound of a moped engine. They even tied schoolchildren to poles and rode mopeds at night.
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      February 11 2024
      Oh, we could do that. And motorcyclists!
  16. 0
    February 11 2024
    How do these Geraniums even fly in Ukraine? And if you turn off the GPS, the geranium becomes a useless pile of scrap metal and will fall somewhere in the forest!
    1. 0
      February 12 2024
      If you turn off GPS, then almost all of your vaunted Western equipment will become a useless pile of scrap metal.
  17. +1
    February 11 2024
    Well, why the hell is this price? $370 for a piston disposable? Funny.
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      February 11 2024
      The Chinese raised the price a bit...The market decided. Drone Gasoline Engine MD550 37kw 50HP Uav Engine for Aircraft Drone Engine Long Range Motor Propeller Personal Aircraft
      FOB Price: US$13,580.00 / Piece
      Min. Order: 1 Piece. Plus logistics, control system, airframe (not carbon), drive, accelerator and assembly. Apparently the rest is up to 370 thousand green - an antique wooden propeller (maybe black wood or backout...) and precision installation of vintage TNT in the warhead on the airframe...:-). Rather, imported sources of information about hundreds of thousands of greenery are driving misinformation...:-)
  18. 0
    February 12 2024
    Quote: belovvladimir
    around 5 thousand dollars,

    You take a very simplified approach to setting the price of a product,
    based on the cost of components.
    A meat pie costs 50 rubles. The test there is for 2 rubles. Minced meat for 3 rubles.
    It turns out 5 rubles. It's almost real. Where does 50 rubles come from for a pie?
    Okay, we purchased the components.
    Transportation, unloading, warehousing, security, accounting.
    Pay.
    Warehouse - premises, heating, electricity, security.
    Pay.
    Workshop - premises, heating, electricity, security, personnel,
    communications, assembly-debugging, marking-packaging.
    Pay.
    Accounting, all kinds of taxes (only for wages: so that a person
    received 100 rubles from the account, 143 rubles go to taxes),
    HR, labor protection, fire, epidemiological, certification of everything.
    Pay.
    A bunch of documentation on 44-FZ, State Defense Order, military acceptance.
    Pay.

    It's a pity that we never saw the head of the transport department...

    Here's a pie for you... with geraniums.
  19. 0
    February 12 2024
    Therefore, if we talk about the economy, we should calculate the cost and effect of the “volley”.
    For example: 10 Geraniums were released. 6 shot down, 2 hit a garage with three H1 Hummers. 1 hit a barn where three VSU officers were sitting, 1 destroyed a power line support.
    Price = 10 * 50K == 500K USD
    Effort = 3 * 120K + 3 * 80K + 1 * 25K = 625K.

    The economy is incomplete - the cost of air defense missiles is not taken into account. To shoot down 10 Geraniums, they fired 2 missiles each = 20 missiles for 50 thousand dollars = 1000 thousand additional costs. Moreover, they managed to shoot down 6 targets or 60%, which would be a great success for the missile defense system.
  20. 0
    February 12 2024
    “One grandmother said”... you need to know the terms of the contract. There are a lot of points... and the cost of the license.
  21. 0
    February 12 2024
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    The price issue has not yet been clarified.

    Here is the maximum from foreign sources:
    The maximum estimate of the cost of “Geranium-2” in foreign sources is 375 thousand dollars.

    This is 34 rubles at the current exchange rate...
    These are 17 decent sedans or 4 “horsepower” Cruzaks...
    Something is wrong in this house of Chemezov (or someone else).
    According to the stated characteristics, its price should not exceed 4 rubles...
    And it’s ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL to mention dollars in this department...

    Yes, it’s not worth $375, obviously)))
  22. 0
    February 12 2024
    How annoying is this clickbait in article headlines. Where is the comparison with the cost of calibers/Iskanders? Where is the breakdown of components with the estimated cost of each. Where is any information? My opinion - The price of localized basic geranium is 3-6 million. The price of caliber is 20-30 million. The price of Iskander is 200-300 million.
  23. 0
    February 13 2024
    You take a very simplified approach to setting the price of a product,
    based on the cost of components.
    A meat pie costs 50 rubles. The test there is for 2 rubles. Minced meat for 3 rubles.
    It turns out 5 rubles. It's almost real. Where does 50 rubles come from for a pie?

    There will be an additional expense for depreciation of equipment, ongoing repairs, consumables (salaries, including taxes), warehousing and transportation, but no more than the cost of the components of the product itself. This is still a product of military engineering, not a piece of cake, and there is no need for profit for traders - state orders. But even for pies, everything over 10-15 rubles was just nailed down the chain from manufacturer to consumer.
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    February 13 2024
    Quote: Denis812
    And as for “there’s simply nowhere to get it” - well, that’s not true. :) The United States has about five thousand patriots in service around the world.

    “All over the world” they have already been sold to someone, and money has been paid for them. Even the United States, with all its vigor, is unlikely to be able to take this away for the sake of Ukraine.
  25. 0
    February 14 2024
    Interestingly, the Geran platform has proven to be a means through which various modifications and improvements can be made, such as the engine, warhead, guidance, and there are even talks currently of introducing AI for group attacks on the target and nearby anti-tank weapons. aircraft protection.
    How good it would be for greater efficiency to supplement the Geran swarm with optical-electronic reconnaissance drones and conduct raids every day in 2-3 regions, depending on the number of drones you have.
    How many Gerans will be produced in Russia per day or week????

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