Rifles and cartridges: from Samuel Pauli to Edward Boxer

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Rifles and cartridges: from Samuel Pauli to Edward Boxer
Dreyse rifle model 1841. Army Museum, Stockholm


Lead ringed with rim
(Don’t forget to wipe it!) -
Copper alloy cylinders,
At the bottom - explosive mercury.

Adam Lindsay Gordon (October 19, 1833 – June 24, 1870).

History rifles. It is clear that you cannot construct a rifle without having a suitable cartridge for this. It is also clear that the charging method weapon from the muzzle, pouring gunpowder into it and placing a bullet in it, we are unlikely to find an author known to mankind. His name, like the name of the inventor of the wheel, has long since sunk into oblivion. In this regard, the inventor of a capsule with a composition of mercury fulminate in a metal cap was much more fortunate. It is known that it was invented by the American D. Shaw in 1814.



However, the first unitary cartridge of the Swiss gunsmith Jean Samuel Pauli, which he developed together with the French gunsmith Francois Prelat, appeared a little earlier, and he also created the world's first cartridge gun of 15 mm caliber for it, a patent for which he received on September 29, 1812. In tests, it showed a rate of fire of 22 shots in two minutes and twice the range and accuracy of the then army guns. The Pauli cartridge consisted of a cardboard cylinder filled with an ignition initiator - berthollet salt (Pauli's main innovation), black powder and a round bullet. In the improved version of the cartridge, the sleeve was completely metal or cardboard-metal, and a capsule device was installed at the bottom. In fact, it was the prototype of the modern unitary central firing cartridge.

The new product was immediately reported to Napoleon, and he became interested in the innovation. However, the introduction of new weapons and their subsequent spread was prevented by the fall of the French Empire and the abdication of the emperor, and, generally speaking, it is unknown how the history of small arms would have developed in the future. Pauli himself, however, died in obscurity, and the fame of the creators of new weapons with new cartridges in Europe went to Casimir Lefauchet and Clément Potte...

However, before this happened, another important event occurred. The fact is that Johann Nikolaus Dreise, who studied to be a mechanic in the Thuringian city of Sömmerda and turned out to be capable of weapons making, worked in Pauli’s workshop. On April 5, 1814, Dreise left Pauli's workshop, who went to continue his work in London, and Dreise returned back to Germany. In England in 1817, Pauli created a gun design with a new for that time percussion mechanism with a combat spiral spring and a rod striker (later this design began to be used in almost all types of small arms), and it was this idea that Dreyse borrowed from him and used in his own gun. Pauli's new gun was loaded with all-metal cartridges turned on brass on a lathe, which guaranteed them considerable strength and the possibility of repeated use. In the bottom they had a hole for a capsule in the form of a modern children's cap, made of two circles of cardboard with a composition based on fulminate of mercury between them. The disadvantage of the cartridge was its high cost.


Jaeger rifle Dreyse model 1854. Army Museum, Stockholm

Therefore, Dreyse, familiar with Pauli's work, began by developing his own cheap cartridge, and already in 1827 he offered the Prussian military the world's first bolt-action rifle, which was adopted in 1840. The Dreyse cartridge looked like a paper cylinder, that is, it was cheap and familiar to the military. A drop-shaped lead bullet was held in it on a cardboard tray (spiegel) and did not come into contact with its rifling when moving along the barrel! The most interesting thing is that the shock-sensitive igniter primer was located precisely on this very pin, and not on the place we are used to - the bottom of the cartridge! To pierce the cartridge and get to the primer, Dreyse equipped his bolt with a long and sharp needle, which is why his rifle was called “needle”, and then this name spread to all other types of shotguns and pistols of a similar device.

During testing, the Dreyse rifle showed a rate of fire unattainable for percussion rifles of that time. In addition, a soldier armed with such a rifle could not be afraid of double or triple loading. However, she did not have a shutter. But due to the conical shape of the breech of the barrel, onto which the bolt slid, and the precise processing of the mating surfaces, gas breakthrough on it was excluded. There was also no need to have an extractor on the rifle - the remnants of the previous cartridge, if any remained in the barrel after the shot, were simply squeezed out of it by a new cartridge and bullet. In addition, since the bullet did not touch the walls of the barrel, lead plating of the barrel did not occur. And this was a serious drawback of all rifles of that time.

However, this gun also had shortcomings. So, it turned out that the bullet in the pan was often secured unevenly and flew out of the barrel, having a violation in the alignment. Therefore, the firing range of such a bullet was small, within 500 m. Another drawback was that the unburnt remains of the cartridge in the barrel interfered with the movement of the bullet, which again affected accuracy.

In addition, since the primer was on a tray, the needle that pierced the cartridge had to be very long. Being exposed to the combustion products of gunpowder, it quickly became unusable, and although each soldier had a spare needle, replacing one with another in battle was both troublesome and dangerous. Nevertheless, the Prussian army received both an infantry rifle, a Jaeger rifle (M1854) - shorter, and a rifle rifle (M1860) - also short and more convenient than an infantry rifle, and even a heavy fortress rifle designed by him with piston valve.

The rifle proved itself well in the battles of the Danish-Prussian and Austro-Prussian wars. During the Franco-Prussian War, the French needle rifle of Antoine Chassepot with a rubber shutter of a smaller caliber acquired the palm - 11 mm versus 15,43 mm, and with a higher bullet speed - 430 m versus 295 m. That is, it had greater flatness and rate of fire, although in accuracy it was inferior to the Dreyse rifle.


Dreyse cartridge in section. Drawing by A. Sheps


Chassepot cartridge in section. Drawing by A. Sheps

An interesting cartridge was developed in 1837 by the French gunsmith Casimir Lefauchet. It was a unitary cartridge with a metal sleeve, called a “hairpin” because of the firing pin protruding from the side of it. It was she who pierced the primer located inside the cartridge. However, due to the specificity of its design, this cartridge found use only in revolvers and hunting rifles - the military did not approve of it.


The breech of a Lefoshe hairpin carbine from 1859 with a trigger and two control levers at once: the one on the right raised the bolt up, and the one on the left pushed the spent cartridge case out of the chamber behind the pin. Photography by Allen Dobress


This photo clearly shows the main drawback of the Lefoshe cartridge: it could only be pulled out of the chamber by a pin - which on this carbine is pressed on by an L-shaped plate connected to a lever located on the left. Photography by Allen Dobress


Appearance of cartridges (from left to right) Dreyze, paper Chassepot cartridge and metal Spencer rimfire cartridge. Photo from public Internet resource


Lefoshe hairpin cartridge (1), cartridge for the Snyder rifle (first sample) with a brass bottom and paper sleeve (2), Potte cartridge (3). Drawing by A. Sheps

And then the same Dreyse and Chassepot rifles immediately became obsolete with the advent of central ignition cartridges from Potte (1855), Schneider (1861) and especially Edward Boxer (1864) with an all-metal brass sleeve and a long lead bullet wrapped in paper to prevent lead from the bore rifling trunk Clément Potte proposed a cartridge with a paper sleeve and a brass tray, on which there was a socket for the igniter primer, and his cartridges are still used in hunting weapons almost unchanged. Another significant event occurred in the USA in 1857: Americans Horace Smith and Daniel Baird Wesson created an all-metal unitary cartridge with a protruding rim and an initiating compound contained in it - the so-called rimfire cartridge! But in military affairs, the best cartridges turned out to be the Boxer design of 1864, which, thanks to their design, completely eliminated the breakthrough of powder gases through the bolt.


Chassepot rifle 1866/1873 Photography by Allen Dobress


This photograph clearly shows the needle in the bolt of the 1866/1873 Chassepot rifle. Photography by Allen Dobress


Scimitar bayonet for the Chasspo rifle 1862 Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam

The development of these two cartridges - with annular and then with central ignition - had a huge impact on all subsequent development of small arms. With the introduction of metal cartridges, not only the safety of handling weapons increased, but it turned out to be possible to establish their mass production. After all, before this, paper cartridges were glued by the soldiers themselves, which was a rather labor-intensive process. As a result, for example, almost every shot in the American Civil War was fired with a hand-made cartridge. However, now, thanks to the development of machine production technologies and the design features of all-metal cartridges, it has become possible to produce them on special pressing machines and use the same machines for their automatic loading.


The bolt action, designed by Jacob Snyder, was designed for centerfire cartridges. It opened from left to right. It is interesting that the sleeve from the chamber in such bolts was pushed out beyond the rim by the bolt sliding back. But it was not removed from the receiver, and the shooter had to be shaken out or removed by hand! Photography by Allen Dobress


Model 1868 Snyder rifle. Weight: 3,8 kg. Caliber: 14,7 mm. Rate of fire: 10 rounds per minute. Bullet speed with black powder cartridge: 381 m/s. Effective firing range: 550 m. Maximum firing range: 1800 m. Penza Museum of Local Lore. Photo by the author


Edward Boxer cartridge for the Snyder rifle. Drawing by A. Sheps

In addition, metal-cased cartridges, along with improved mechanisms for extracting them, made it possible to reload much faster than before and paved the way for designers to create automatic weapons in the future. However, they still had a lot of work to do on this path...
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  1. +5
    17 February 2024 06: 34
    As usual, thanks to the author for today’s excursion into the history of the development of the cartridge, without which improving the design of weapons would have been impossible. Based on the history of development and improvement of the design of cartridges, one can judge the technological development occurring in a certain period of time. From a simple paper cartridge to a cartridge with an all-metal central ignition sleeve and in historical standards in a short period of time.
  2. +9
    17 February 2024 09: 22
    The Pauli cartridge consisted of a cardboard cylinder filled with an ignition initiator - berthollet salt (Pauli's main innovation),
    Yes...that's right...the first "capsule" unitary cartridge was without "mercury fulminate"! But it’s still not worth saying that “pure” Berthollet salt was used in the “capsule”! An initiating mixture was used using berthollet salt, called "potash chloride" in the language of that time... The mixture consisted of berthollet salt, sulfur, soot (coal). It is also recommended to add antimony and crushed glass to the berthollet salt... Then you get a full-fledged “berthollet” capsule!
    1. +7
      17 February 2024 09: 33
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      "Bertolot" capsule!

      I preferred a mixture of bertoletka and red phosphorus. You take a pinch on your fingers, click it and... there is a flash and smoke, but there is no pain or burn. If you mix it well, yes. % - 80 and 20. It was very impressive to do this on New Year's Eve on the school stage, portraying a wizard...
      1. +6
        17 February 2024 10: 09
        Quote: kalibr
        preferred a mixture of bertoletka and red phosphorus

        There is such a “recipe”! I know him, but I forgot to mention him at the “moment” of writing the comment! request
      2. +1
        18 February 2024 08: 40
        I preferred a mixture of bertoletka and red phosphorus.

        A long time ago in another galaxy, I, happy after a raid on the chemistry classroom, laid out various chemicals on the table. The main ingredients for summoning the Devil were a little sodium, cut into small pieces, and a notebook sheet with a large pile of red phosphorus. A half-liter jar of Berthollet salt stood behind me on the bookshelf. Our chemistry room was good!
        I was terribly impatient, my breath was taken away from my throat with joy, so I decided to start with the simplest recipe - Berthollet salt with red phosphorus. I scoop up the potassium chloride salt from the back, sprinkle it onto the phosphorus in the front and mix it with a rasp - I just didn’t have anything else at hand in my haste. I poured it once, it seemed like there wasn’t enough salt, so I poured it twice. God loves a trinity, I reached for the berthollet salt for the third time and mechanically smoothed the rasp onto the table. I heard a soft P-U-U-H and the room became dark from smoke. Still would! After all, red phosphorus is the basis of all smoke bombs.
        The red phosphorus was partially burned, and some of its lumps were scattered to the sides. Some of the red phosphorus ended up in sodium. A small second explosion and sodium flew in all directions. Mainly the curtains, which naturally caught fire...
        He tore off the curtains and began to use them to extinguish everything that was burning on the table and its surroundings. I put it out, there is no more open fire. My heart was immediately relieved.
        The smoke in the room is such that you can’t even see your fingers or elbows. At least the smoke isn't poisonous. I see a pair of perfectly round fireballs hanging at chest level. Just fireballs from science fiction films! I lean over to look, and the balls descend and move away from me. I'm completely at a loss. I straighten up and the balls rise up, remaining at chest level. What the hell!!! I lean over and see the same picture again! I decided that it was time to catch Pokemon and went for the balls. The balls go down again, and I get down on all fours in pursuit of them. The balls are even lower. I still bend down and finally see that the floor is on fire from sodium. It was simply impossible to determine the distance in the smoke.
        So chemistry is an extremely valuable science! For those who understand!
  3. +4
    17 February 2024 09: 33
    In this regard, the inventor of a capsule with a composition of mercury fulminate in a metal cap was much more fortunate. It is known that it was invented by the American D. Shaw in 1814.

    Here you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, were a little hasty. In 1814, the British gunsmith Joseph Manton improved the flintlock (first photo), proposing to use an initiating composition of fulminate of mercury in the form of granules or tablets instead of seed gunpowder. He then developed the tubular lock. Its device is clearly visible in the second photo - in fact, it is already a capsule lock, only the capsule is not in the form of the usual cap, but in the form of a copper tube, which was broken by a trigger of the appropriate shape.
    As for the inventor of the capsule in the form of a cap, the question is so confusing that there is no clear answer to this question. American artist Joshua Shaw (Joshua Shaw) claims this title and is often referred to as such in the literature, but he filed his patent in 1822 and in 1823 it was canceled because American patent law prohibited applications if an earlier patent existed anywhere in the world. world. That is, a similar design already existed. In a word, a detective story that deserves a separate article.
  4. +7
    17 February 2024 09: 53
    Despite the spread of “mercury” (and other “explosive”) primers, the search for alternative initiators of ignition of gunpowder in cartridges continued throughout the 19th century and “smoothly” passed into the 20th....!
    Numerous attempts have been made to use air heated by compression to ignite gunpowder... there are practical implementations of electric ignition of gunpowder... there are allegations of the use of a red-hot needle and a spirit lamp (stock, receiver), and the "hot guys" even came up with a flint-percussion " capsule"...and a cartridge with such a "primer"! belay
  5. +6
    17 February 2024 09: 59
    In addition, since the primer was on a tray, the needle that pierced the cartridge had to be very long. Being exposed to the combustion products of gunpowder, it quickly became unusable, and although each soldier had a spare needle, replacing one with another in battle was both troublesome and dangerous.

    The structure was really fragile, as can be clearly seen in the photograph. But it changed quickly - less than a minute.
    1. 0
      17 February 2024 20: 32
      Quote: Dekabrist
      The structure was really fragile, as can be clearly seen in the photograph. But it changed quickly - less than a minute.

      A minute in battle, when the enemy’s ranks are approaching you, is a very long time.
      1. +3
        17 February 2024 22: 48
        A minute in battle, when the enemy’s ranks are approaching you, is a very long time.

        Have you been in battle?
        1. -1
          18 February 2024 19: 22
          Is this kind of a smart question on the topic?
          1. -2
            18 February 2024 19: 58
            Is this kind of a smart question on the topic?

            No, it's just a question. If you find it difficult, you don’t have to answer.
            1. 0
              20 February 2024 00: 00
              No, it's just a question.

              Ukrainian or what? Are you collecting information?
  6. +3
    17 February 2024 10: 24
    Therefore, Dreyse, familiar with Pauli's work, began by developing his own cheap cartridge, and already in 1827 he offered the Prussian military the world's first bolt-action rifle, which was adopted in 1840.

    Here you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, were in a hurry again. Dreyse began by creating his own company, Dreyse & Collenbusch, together with Karl Collenbusch. In 1824, the company produced a needle pistol, and in 1827 a needle rifle of the same design (pictured). Only both the pistol and the rifle were loaded from the muzzle and were smooth-bore. The Dreyse bolt-action rifle was developed in 1836.
    1. +5
      17 February 2024 13: 05
      Quote: Dekabrist
      In 1824, the company produced a needle pistol, and in 1827 a needle rifle of the same design (pictured).

      Where is the drawing from?
      1. +4
        17 February 2024 13: 54
        Vyacheslav, hello and thank you! good
        Somehow everyone forgot about Dreyse’s needle revolver.
        1. +5
          17 February 2024 14: 02
          Quote: Sea Cat
          forgot

          Yes, we haven’t forgotten, but we’re not talking about a revolver, but rifles and cartridges.
    2. +3
      17 February 2024 13: 15
      Quote: Dekabrist
      Only both the pistol and the rifle were loaded from the muzzle and were smooth-bore.

      This phrase about “muzzle-loading and needle-type” reminded me of my youth, when I was fascinated by the topic of gunshots and “invented” firearms: rifled, breech-loading, magazine, rapid-fire... but which could have been made in the 17-18 centuries! That’s when I began to develop designs for muzzle-loading, smooth-bore and... needle guns and pistols!
      But regarding Dreyse’s “needle muzzleloaders”, it seems to me that you are mistaken! Smoothbore? Perhaps! Needle-shaped? Will pull! But not “muzzle-loading”! Perhaps with “muzzle loading” you have confused the Dreyse pistol and carbine with a Turret Chamber!
      1. +3
        17 February 2024 14: 12
        Strange, there is a photo in the comment. I didn't "confuse" anything with anything. In your photo there is a pistol from 1835. This is a different weapon.
        See photos. On the first - a muzzle-loading needle pistol from 1827, on the second, the one you are talking about - from 1835. You see the difference. Completely different design. The first one has no chamber.
        1. +4
          17 February 2024 14: 22
          Some sick person is taking a minus. That's who really got it wrong. Lately there has been a critical mass of such “confused” people; soon there will be no adequate people left on the site.
          1. 0
            19 February 2024 07: 58
            Quote: Dekabrist
            Some sick person is taking a minus. That's who really got it wrong. Lately there has been a critical mass of such “confused” people; soon there will be no adequate people left on the site.


            I often see the indignation of respected people for undeserved disadvantages. These disadvantages are, of course, injustice, but what is the reason for the indignation? Does this affect anything?

            There is a lot of injustice and stupidity, this one is not the worst :)

            If you are simply annoyed by stupidity, then consider a minus from an idiot a plus :) In life, this is how it is...
        2. +3
          17 February 2024 15: 16
          Quote: Dekabrist
          I didn't "confuse" anything with anything.

          You're right ! I found confirmation of your words in my “archive”! Indeed, in 1827-28. Dreyse was working on muzzle-loading guns chambered for the “semi-unitary” cartridge! 5 samples were created, of which the 5th was “needle-shaped”! But this weapon was of no interest to either the military or the civilian market! The cartridge was not “unitary”... The “emphasis” in “my” archival material was made by the author on guns! By the way, Dreyse muzzle-loading needle guns resemble Dreyse breech-loading needle guns in appearance! It is possible that for this reason I did not pay attention to the material during a quick glance! So sho, sorry! feel
          1. +5
            17 February 2024 15: 20
            So sho, sorry!

            A completely normal discussion, why should there be an apology? Previously, in the “Weapons” section this was a traditional normal phenomenon, knowledgeable readers gathered, exchanged information, and argued. There was often more information in the comments than in the articles. Alas, everything is in the past.
  7. -2
    17 February 2024 20: 57
    Not bad! Thanks to the author! good
    The Dreyse rifle is a unique weapon that qualitatively influenced the outcome of contemporary battles. High rate of fire, good sighting range, simplicity of design, all this became a model for weapons of the late 19th century. The time is especially interesting, 1836. At that time, the French Military Academy smugly considered the Minier bullet to be the best solution for the army, and all sorts of proposals with breech-loading rifles were simply freaks. This was greatly facilitated by the appearance of crazy designs like the Ferguson rifle, which turned the military away from breech-loading weapons for a long time.

    A drop-shaped lead bullet was held in it on a cardboard tray (spiegel) and did not come into contact with its rifling when moving along the barrel!

    Here the author is mistaken, of course. The Dreyse bullet was smaller in caliber than the rifling of the barrel, but when fired, the oval bullet compressed and the sides entered the rifling. This solution turned out to be a good alternative to the Minié bullet. A sufficiently elongated bullet did not need a notch at the back, much less caps, to contact the rifling.
    1. 0
      18 February 2024 08: 48
      Quote: Saxahorse
      the oval bullet was compressed and the sides entered the rifling.

      She could not shrink because she was in a folder tray. The powder gases had no effect on her at all.
      1. 0
        18 February 2024 19: 03
        Quote: kalibr
        She could not shrink because she was in a folder tray. The powder gases had no effect on her at all.

        What are you saying! It’s right there in the barrel, so tender, and the powder gases don’t notice it at all! They somehow flow past, right through the walls of the trunk! And Dreyse’s gun was apparently stupidly called a rifle! After all, your favorite oval bullet lies motionless, not touching anything or anyone, and the rifling in the barrel is purely for beauty..

        You, Mr. Shpakovsky, somehow began to take heart too early, long before the holiday. I haven't heard such nonsense from you for a long time. fool
        1. 0
          18 February 2024 19: 45
          Quote: Saxahorse
          Quote: kalibr
          She could not shrink because she was in a folder tray. The powder gases had no effect on her at all.

          What are you saying! It’s right there in the barrel, so tender, and the powder gases don’t notice it at all! They somehow flow past, right through the walls of the trunk! And Dreyse’s gun was apparently stupidly called a rifle! After all, your favorite oval bullet lies motionless, not touching anything or anyone, and the rifling in the barrel is purely for beauty..

          You, Mr. Shpakovsky, somehow began to take heart too early, long before the holiday. I haven't heard such nonsense from you for a long time. fool

          You have no idea what you are writing about. The bullet in Dreyse's rifle did not touch the walls of the barrel. it was guided along the grooves by a folder pin - a pallet. Open Markevich V.E. and read, p.234.
          1. 0
            19 February 2024 23: 57
            Quote: kalibr
            You have no idea what you are writing about. The bullet in Dreyse's rifle did not touch the walls of the barrel. it was guided along the grooves by a folder shpigel - a pallet.

            Quote: kalibr
            You have no idea what you are writing about. The bullet in Dreyse's rifle did not touch the walls of the barrel. it was guided along the grooves by a folder shpigel - a pallet.

            “Folder” is cardboard, paper, i.e. You can believe that it improves obturation. But let me doubt that paper can act as a shell for a lead bullet.
            "I do not believe!" (c) Stanislavsky wink
            1. 0
              20 February 2024 07: 03
              Quote: Saxahorse
              Open Markevich V.E. and read, p.234.

              It is not Stanislavsky that should be read, but Markevich. "Open Markevich V.E. and read, page 234."
              1. 0
                21 February 2024 00: 02
                It is not Stanislavsky that should be read, but Markevich. "Open Markevich V.E. and read, p. 234"

                In my Markevich, on page 234 - “Magazine rifle of the Shulgoff system, model 1880–1881.” And the Dreyse rifle is on page 139, and it is written there literally like this:

                The bullet had a caliber of 5,32 lines, that is, it was smaller than the caliber of the barrel; it was inserted into a deep socket of a folder tray, which cut into the rifling, compressed the bullet and gave it rotation.

                The fact that the bullet does not touch the rifling at the moment of firing is something you yourself figured out. It’s written exactly what I’m telling you, the bullet compresses and goes sideways into the rifling which twists it.

                By the way, a “spiegel” in artillery is an element (usually wooden) that follows a projectile (bomb or grenade) and, conversely, prevents the projectile from turning point inward. The purpose of Dreyse's cardboard shpigel is exactly the same, to keep the oval bullet straight, parallel to the axis of the barrel at the initial moment of the shot, so that it does not warp and go sideways into the rifling. Of course, the paper pallet itself could not spin the bullet; the wooden bolt in the guns was attached to the bomb with an iron rod or copper bolt, i.e. tightly.
                1. 0
                  21 February 2024 06: 55
                  Quote: Saxahorse
                  Of course, the paper pallet itself could not spin the bullet,

                  Why? If he also followed the rifling? And the Dreyse rifle is on page 139, and it is written there literally like this: it was smaller than the caliber of the barrel, it was inserted into a deep socket of a folder tray, which crashed into the rifling, compressed the bullet and gave it rotation.
                  Do you not understand what is written in Russian?
                  And then why did you immediately switch to guns? They are of no use here! Dreyse's bullet did not touch the walls, since it was in a fabric case. Is it accessible to your intellect? And it moved along the trunk along with the shpigel, which was just for cutting and entering! Poor accuracy of Dreyse rifles was noted - there is an article - precisely because of the skew of the bullet in the spiel. That is, Spiegel led it along the grooves, otherwise how would it have become warped? In general, what we say is true - stubbornness is worse than drunkenness. The text and drawing are before your eyes. But you look and don’t see. Sadly.
                  1. -1
                    21 February 2024 23: 59
                    Quote: kalibr
                    The text and drawing are before your eyes. But you look and don’t see. Sadly.

                    Soft and loose paper cannot twist a hard, metal bullet with enormous force. This is technically impossible... It will disintegrate into mush. There is such a word - physics.
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Is it accessible to your intellect?

                    wassat
                    1. 0
                      22 February 2024 06: 26
                      Quote: Saxahorse
                      Quote: kalibr
                      The text and drawing are before your eyes. But you look and don’t see. Sadly.

                      Soft and loose paper cannot twist a hard, metal bullet with enormous force. This is technically impossible... It will disintegrate into mush. There is such a word - physics.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Is it accessible to your intellect?

                      wassat

                      There is a film like this: “Dumb and Dumber”... And the text in front of you by Markevich, and the drawing, where around the bullet there is a cover made of canvas, not cambric or silk... And everything is not enough... The bullet from Berdan’s rifle was completely wrapped into the paper and so the paper went along the cuts. And here is a thick canvas. Now this: there was no soft and loose paper in the shpige. It was glued together with hoof glue and was very durable. Yes, and twist... What to twist? Just one turn of slicing!
                      1. -1
                        24 February 2024 21: 25
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Now this: there was no soft and loose paper in the shpige. It was glued together with hoof glue and was very durable. Yes, and twist... What to twist? Just one turn of slicing!

                        Hoof glue! laughing
                        You posted a bunch of photos with some kind of weapon in your hands. Tense yourself and look at what is written on your box of cartridges. I don’t know exactly how much is in the Dreyse cartridge, but on rifle cartridges 7.62x54R it says 304 MPa. This is 3099.937 kgf/cm2. You are about to exert a force of THREE tons with your hoof glue. wassat
                        Quote: kalibr
                        There is a movie like this: “Dumb and Dumber”...

                        tongue
                      2. 0
                        24 February 2024 21: 31
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        You are going to twist the force of THREE tons with hoof glue.

                        Bows were glued together with hoof glue. Which are thousands of years old. And the strength of the gluing is such that parts break across the gluing, but not along the adhesive seam. But I’m not agitating you at all. If you think that you are so savvy in this topic, write an article with your views on this issue. Let's say: "Once again to the question of ammunition for the Dreyse rifle." I am sure that the editors of VO will definitely publish it. So put the flag in your hands and go ahead...
                      3. -1
                        24 February 2024 21: 34
                        Quote: kalibr
                        So put the flag in your hands and go ahead...

                        I told you, don’t get involved in technical issues. This is not yours.. But the lively cow is itching for everything...
                      4. 0
                        24 February 2024 21: 37
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        I told you, don’t get involved in technical issues. This is not yours.. But the lively cow is itching for everything...

                        Shouldn't I listen to you? You didn’t achieve rank, give me advice. Write a better article...
                      5. 0
                        24 February 2024 21: 34
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        7.62x54R - written 304 MPa. This is 3099.937 kgf/cm2.

                        Don't compare horseradish to your finger. The 7,62X54K cartridge contains smokeless nitro powder. Bullet speed 820 m/sec. In Draize, smoky black - speed 420 m/sec. And then everything was glued with this glue or wood glue... with casein. There were simply no others... But I suggest you write an article on VO based on your knowledge. That's where you put everything. And it’s a futile effort to convince me. I know too much.
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                        24 February 2024 21: 37
                        Quote: kalibr
                        But I suggest you write an article on VO based on your knowledge. That's where you put everything.

                        Like an honest, scientific debate with a flat Earther and a Swiss cheese moon? I advise you to just read your school textbooks again. wink
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                        24 February 2024 21: 39
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        Quote: kalibr
                        But I suggest you write an article on VO based on your knowledge. That's where you put everything.

                        Like an honest, scientific debate with a flat Earther and a Swiss cheese moon? I advise you to just read your school textbooks again. wink

                        Why did you forget right away, right?! Write a better article...
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                        24 February 2024 21: 41
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Why did you forget right away, right?! Write a better article...

                        Mr. Shpakovsky to the garden. In the children's... tongue
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                        24 February 2024 21: 43
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Why did you forget right away, right?! Write a better article...

                        Mr. Shpakovsky to the garden. In the children's... tongue

                        Why are you such a bzdun, though? What are you afraid of? Is it really so difficult to write about what you know and think is correct? I really didn't expect it.
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      18 February 2024 08: 48
      Quote: Saxahorse
      Here the author is mistaken, of course.

      Too many experts are wrong, of course...
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    17 February 2024 22: 50
    Interesting article, thanks! For the first time I learned about such a phenomenon as lead plating of a barrel.
    It turns out that the copper shell was invented precisely to solve this problem?
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      18 February 2024 08: 49
      Quote from cpls22
      It turns out that the copper shell was invented precisely to solve this problem?

      Exactly! And also so that the bullet in rifles that fired nitro powder would keep its shape!
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    18 February 2024 18: 07
    Dear author, in the drawing of the Dreyse cartridge, the lead bullet is incorrectly depicted. The bullet resembles an acorn and tapers towards the back to have a flat shape. The bullet is sunk deeper into the pan. Unfortunately, it is not possible to insert a drawing of a cartridge with a cut into a Word file.
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      18 February 2024 19: 51
      Quote: John22
      The bullet resembles an acorn and tapers towards the back to have a flat shape.

      Unfortunately, there are many cross-sectional drawings of Dreyse's bullet. There is no reason to believe that only yours is correct. Any diagram is illustrative in nature, complementing the description and nothing more.