When will Russia finally land?

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When will Russia finally land?

"Who is guilty?" and “What should I do?” - these are questions that have already become classics in our country. And the answers of those who are really to blame become classics. But this does not change the situation and Russia faces a complete landing in the most literal sense of the term.

Necessary deviation from the editors: This article was already published, after which we received a wave of claims from the Rostec press service. Since we don’t understand anything, they’ll sue us, and if you don’t know, there’s no point in writing anything here. In general, this is not the first time this has happened, but this time for some reason he ignored a similar and even harsher article in the Free Press. Dead "carcass". Plans to build hundreds of aircraft by 2030 are unrealistic. No, we are, of course, pleased that Military Review is considered a more respected and readable publication than SP, but it didn’t turn out very nicely.



However, the Rostec press service handed over to the editor one document that really sheds some light on the situation and makes us think even more, for which we are deeply grateful to him. In general, we have always been in favor of communicating on a civilized level with all representatives of government agencies and giving them the floor, even if they correct us in some way.


So, we were talking about the fact that Russia could actually be left without an aircraft fleet.

All imported airliners that will have exhausted their service life will land and will not go anywhere, and will also be left without original spare parts and branded service. And all these fairy tales about parallel imports - they will remain fairy tales, because Boeing and Airbus are not fools. And it’s not so easy to organize the supply of necessary spare parts through intermediaries, especially if the manufacturer monitors every screw.

Many today have no illusions about the future fate of the Boeings and Airbuses of Russian airlines. Everything is sad with them: they are simply not allowed into some countries, and where they are accepted, they are not served there. And, you must admit, when the outcome of a flight depends on whether the required spare part is obtained on time or not, this is so-so.

But it is clear that in just a few years, Western aircraft will come to an end. At least, the manufacturers themselves, who have been diligently ruining our aircraft industry since the 80s of the last century, will make every effort to do this.

But it would seem: in addition to Mikoyan and Sukhoi, we also seem to have Ilyushin, Yakovlev, Tupolev... What about our industry? They say from Channel One that she has finally risen from her knees...

In general, there is industry. And the design bureaus of Mikoyan, Yakovlev, Tupolev, Ilyushin and Sukhoi, which have successfully (to one degree or another) survived into the 21st century, also exist. Under the wing of UAC, the United Aircraft Corporation, behind which is Rostec.

But there are no planes. Strange, isn't it? There are designers, there are engineers, there are factories, but there are no airplanes. Fighters and bombers, however, are mostly produced without problems. It’s already much worse with transport vehicles, but not at all with passenger ones.

The Russian industry, which has risen from its knees, is not able to produce passenger airliners even in the “Armata” mode, that is, manually and piece by piece.

I just really want to ask: where are the planes?


Let's go through the list.


Sukhoi SuperJet 100. You can forget about this aircraft from 2022, since it will no longer be produced. The reason is the lack of French avionics and engines. The sensational import substitution replaced everything imported and the result was another Superjet, Superjet NEW. There are plans for it, and some agreements of intent are being signed, but the aircraft will begin production when the PD-8 engine is available.

"I won't talk about what needs to be done in combat. aviation. But if we take into account only the state civil order, by 2030 UEC needs to increase engine supplies tenfold. Already next year it is necessary to produce over 40 PD-8 engines for the import-substituted SJ-100 and a dozen PD-14 for the medium-haul MS-21-300 with subsequent scaling up of serial production,” said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov, speaking at the plenary session “Engine Building” in afterburner. Industry priorities in modern conditions."


MS-21. Since 2016, “things are still there,” nothing has changed. The Irkut company seems to have concluded a bunch of contracts, but there is still no plane. In 2009, Deputy General Director of the OKB named after. Yakovlev Arkady Gurtovoy said at the MAKS-2009 air show that serial production should begin in 2016. In February 2019, the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, announced that the launch date for mass production of the MS-21 had been shifted to the end of 2020. In January 2022, Chemezov again announced that the launch date for the series was being shifted again - already to 2024.


Tu-214. In general, this is a Tu-204, which first flew in 1989. An aircraft that, in theory, could be produced without problems, but... Even taking into account that the differences between the Tu-204 and Tu-214 are minimal, alas, no one saw the THREE aircraft ordered for 2023. The production of 2024 (seven) aircraft is planned for 7, with a cumulative total of 10.


IL-114-300. This is also a guest from the past; the first flight of the Il-114 took place in 1990. And in 2014, President Putin personally ordered the Government to produce the Il-114. They quickly came up with a new name for the Il-114-300 and developed another Plan, according to which the Il-114-300 should be created at the turn of 2020-2021.

Well, then everything went as usual: the first flight of the Il-114-300 actually took place in 2020 (by the way, according to plan), but with the production of “about 12 Il-114-300 aircraft annually after 2021” - this did not work out . As a result, the serial production dates were moved to 2023, now it’s 2024, but there are no planes.

Moreover, given that the Il-114-300, for the sake of unification, was equipped with frankly weak and unreliable TV7-117ST engines, which the Il-112V tried to fly with. With all the ensuing consequences.

The first 8 Il-114-300s with the new layout should be delivered in 2024 and another 8 in 2025. So on May 26, 2022, First Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Belousov announced, approving a program to support the purchase of new Russian aircraft.


IL-96-300. In many sources you can see the status “produced by VASO” at the present time. Available, yes. Since 1989, 29 aircraft have been manufactured. For 35 years. And I very clearly emphasize that in its current state, if VASO can produce one aircraft in two years, it will be simply wonderful.

So what do we have? Three frankly old Soviet aircraft that, at the very least, can be produced. And they are suitable at least for domestic airlines. If the IL-114 engines are brought to fruition, if VASO is put in order.

But here’s the problem: domestic carriers are not at all eager to operate old Soviet cars. It’s hard to say what the catch is, but of the more than 70 Tu-204/214 available in Russia, half are in reserve storage. The rest are operated mainly by departments and organizations: SLO "Russia", Russian Air Force, Russian Guard, Russian Post, KAZ named after. Gorbunov, RSC Energia and so on. Airlines are in no hurry to take off the Tu-204.

In general, everything is not easy with the Il-114-300; after the Il-112V crash, they openly look askance at the plane, although the Il-112V is a separate misfortune that has nothing to do with the Il-114. But the engines are frankly weak and unreliable, which is what it is.

The IL-96-300 will not solve the problems simply because it will not be possible to produce it at Soviet rates.

As for the Superjet NEW and MC-21, everything is simple: first you need to replace everything imported that was in these aircraft, and there was up to 70-80%. And first of all – engines.

In general, of course, it is a shame and disgrace for the Spanish to have inherited the USSR aircraft industry and beg for engines from the French. But this was the line the authorities had, nothing could be done about it. Boeing and Airbus were simply destroying the entire Soviet legacy before our eyes, accustoming everyone to their aircraft. Trained. Now there are problems, but the main problems are still ahead.

In September 2022, at the Eastern Economic Forum, Aeroflot airlines and the manufacturer UAC signed an agreement of intent to purchase 40 Tu-214s, 7 of which will be delivered in 2024. UAC did not deliver the planes, but the horror is not in seven planes.

There, at the forum, the figures were proudly announced: by 2030 it is planned to purchase 339 aircraft. 210 MS-21, 89 Sukhoi Superjet-NEW, 40 Tu-214. But in fact, if you look at the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of August 22, 2023, everything is much worse in some respects, because the numbers there are somewhat different. And according to the Resolution, the light should be seen by 2030 527 aircraft from the list above: MS-21 - 270 units, SSJ-NEW - 142 units, Tu-214 - 115 units.

But there is doubt that they (the planes) will not be built. And the reason for this is downright historically common for our country: engines. There is no exact data on how many PD-14s were produced, but for 2024 the plan is 12! And these, naturally, are not production engines, but prototypes for testing. And how long the tests will last is a question. And for 210 MS-21, initially “only” 540 engines will be required. Even if a miracle happens - 90 engines per year? No, there won't be a miracle. The release plan will be given below.

With Superjet NEW it’s about the same, but in smaller volumes. Simply because PD-8, which traces its lineage to PD-14, which doesn’t really exist, is at approximately the same stage of development.

On August 29, 2023, the “import-substituted” Sukhoi Superjet New made its first flight. But with the French SaM146 engine. The second prototype of the aircraft will be tested with Russian PD-8 engines. In October 2023, many media reported a joyful news: The PD-8 engine was first launched on the SJ-100 aircraft.

That is, they simply screwed the engine on and turned it on. The engine turned on. All.

In general, the “successes” are so-so. And how do UAC representatives announce the construction of 600 vehicles by 2030? However, this has already happened in our country: today we loudly and tastefully say that by 2030 the Russian aviation industry will build 600 winged aircraft, and what will happen there in 2030 is a second question.

But it is not difficult to predict the complete failure of the promises, looking at the ghostly Tupolevs, which were never assembled last year, and may not be assembled this year either.

But this is different.

The principle “today we promise loudly, tomorrow we will come up with something to justify it” is being implemented by our officials at all levels of government much more clearly than plans to build castles in the air. Unfortunately.

But here is another question: an additional 600 billion rubles are allocated for the construction of 2030 aircraft by 280. That's it, we've learned how to master budgets, so we have room to expand. And there is time until 2030 to come up with excuses for why 600 aircraft will not be built.


photo from the press service of Sochi Airport from the telegram channel t.me/aeroaer/

Literally at the release of the article, information appeared: the first Tu-214 began operating on the Moscow-Sochi line. But honest media added: rebuilt Tu-214. That is, converted from a Tu-204. And not a word about the new ones, those numbering 3 + 7.

That, of course, is “success”. There is something to report on: a completely new Tu-204 was cut from the old Tu-214. Peremoga as it is.

In general, make the Soviet Il-96, Tu-204 and Il-114 one by one. And yell at everyone like they’re yelling at a flight to Mars. This, you see, is our policy now.

And don’t let anyone worry about the fact that Boeings and Airbuses will be able to transport Russians for another five to six years at most. Even if there are no engines, these “promising” Superjet NEW and MC-21 will not exist. The “morally obsolete” Il-96-300, Tu-214, Il-114 will be made absolutely calmly. Is it possible to fly? Can. And the fact that airplanes, like models, are 30+ - there is someone to blame for everything.

But to build 100 aircraft a year - for this you still need to have a lot of things besides billions of rubles. Undoubtedly, billions are such an important component; without them, planes cannot be built, it has been verified. And the presence of such amounts cannot but rejoice.

But besides money, we need people who will turn money into planes


But with this today it is much more difficult than even with machine tools. Those who built the Il-30, Tu-114 and Il-204 96 years ago are mostly retired, if not further. But somehow the state was not able to prepare a replacement for them, alas. The ideas that have been promoted for years that working in an air trading office is the maximum that every young person should aspire to have done their job. And today, younger generations want to be IT specialists, bloggers, and online traders. But not turners, millers, installers. “I’m a bad person to go to the factory” - I’m sure everyone has heard such a phrase from undergrown people at least once in their life.

And here is the result: there are plans to build 100 aircraft a year, there is money, there is metal, everything is there. Or almost everything. There are no people to build aircraft in such quantities. And those who exist are also not of the highest quality. How else can one explain the impossibility of building three, just three, Tu-214s?

But perhaps the worst thing is the practically disappearing class of design engineers. We will talk about this in more detail in the very near future using the example of several military factories at once, but for now we can say that in the country as a whole the scale of the disaster is catastrophic, and soon those who will have to develop new equipment will simply not be left as such.

Automation, which we have been promised for a long time, is not a panacea at all. Yes, in some places it is really useful, but there are a huge number of operations when creating an aircraft that are done manually and only manually.

“We need to develop our own aircraft manufacturing. I hope that all the plans – and we plan to produce over one thousand of our own aircraft by 2030 – will be implemented.”

Who said this, remember? That's right, Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. And not so long ago, December 14, 2023, on a straight line. Remember, “over 1 aircraft.” Everything is in accordance with the Government Decree.

And there is really only one way out - first to revive those who will build airplanes. From designers to assemblers. Through those who will cut metal, rivet, weld, solder and assemble. Then the output will be a thousand aircraft. No - there will be miserable units that will be assembled by workers in their free time from their main work.

I didn't make a mistake. It is in their free time from their main work, and the main job of aircraft factory workers today is the production of new and repair of old combat aircraft.

And where will the working masses who will assemble these aircraft come from? The factories are not very good with staff now, but “effective managers” have tried their best. This “there are crowds behind the fence” played its role: there are no crowds and there are not many people in the workshops.

I won’t go far, here is a link to the official website of the same VASO: Work at an aircraft factory

Who does the plant need? Yes, all working professions! And pay attention to this cry of despair from personnel officers: they are ready to pay for every specialist brought in. All this is not due to a good life, and here the gentlemen of the plant’s management are reaping the fruits of their effective management: the people are not very eager for the indicated salaries, because the whole city knows: only the management lives well at VASO, the rest - as best they can.

Well, the fact that a design engineer, a person with a higher education, in rubles costs half as much as a turner-miller - this is a Spanish shame.

There are places, Kazan and Ulyanovsk, where everything is much better. And many former VASO specialists now work there. And who will assemble the IL-96 is a question to which I have no answer.





This is the same Resolution from which Putin took the figures for his speech. That is, not from the air, but from a document on which more than one hundred people worked. Why - it will become clear below, for now do not pay attention to the fact that the numbering is not in order, we do not need everything related to helicopters for now.



Here we have the forecasted needs and forecasted indicators for the supply of equipment. That is, how many units are needed and how many are planned to be supplied. Everything is clearly visible, and by the end of this year it will be possible to understand how to implement it. Will 20 SSJ-NEW and 10 Tu-214 be pumped out of the workshops? Yes, ten “Tu”, because three did not arrive last year.

Here are our engines:


It’s close as it is, but I’m glad that the plans also include the construction of additional units.

In general, everything is written very confidently, but here’s the problem: the doubts have not gone away. Let's take Ladoga, for example. We had news of this nature: Named the timing of the first flight of a promising regional passenger aircraft TVRS-44 "Ladoga" . In a nutshell: the first flight of the aircraft is planned for the first quarter of 2024; in the second quarter, the second flight model of Ladoga should join the tests. At the end of 2024, they plan to obtain a type certificate for the aircraft, and enter mass production in 2025.

Well, half of the first quarter of 2024 is already behind us. There's only about a month and a half left. There are, however, certain doubts, and they are called TV7-117ST. The TV7-117S was poor and disgusting, so everyone who could of it abandoned it in favor of American engines. The next TV7-117SM was, they say, better, but for some reason it didn’t go into production. And TV7-117ST... The Il-112V flew on it. And I don’t want to say anything more, because we all know how the Il-112V tried to fly. They actually found each other - the engine and the airframe. Let's see what happens with Ladoga.

By the way, for some reason on social networks in the Urals they give slightly different deadlines for the completion of Ladoga. 2026, or even 2027. But who believes social networks, right? But we will closely monitor the process. This year should be fundamental for Ladoga. Although, of course, calling the construction of an aircraft based on an imported aircraft from the 80s of the last century, which has not yet gone into mass production, a breakthrough...


The fate of the prototype, Let L-610, was full of oddities, but in the end, whoever ordered the plane (Aeroflot) refused it, but now, after so many years, they bought the documentation and... in short, let’s look at it with three eyes. And we hope that we will be able to successfully return “back to the future” - to master the production of aircraft fifty years ago. If you're lucky, of course.


And there is only one way here - to restore the lost Soviet aircraft industry, there are simply no other options and now there are unlikely to be any, these options.

But not only will it be necessary to produce airplanes, it will also be necessary to train people throughout the country who will begin to service them. Or does anyone seriously believe that today’s technicians, who have never seen anything except Boeing and Airbus, will one day master the Il-96?

And spare parts for maintenance will have to be produced by trainloads...

Remember what Poghosyan got burned for? How he praised his Superjet that it was the best in the world, the cheapest and most reliable, just like the Su fighter. Let's put it this way - Mr. Poghosyan took on the work of the operator, because only the one who operates it can evaluate the aircraft. But not a builder.

And then the entire aviation world abandoned the Superjet, because it was not a “Super”, but simply a flying “Lego”, 75% consisting of imported components. And why did they refuse? Yes, because Mr. Poghosyan simply could not organize maintenance of the aircraft after the sale. And the Superjet became absolutely unnecessary for anyone.

Indeed, who needs an airplane for which spare parts must be collected from catalogs all over the world? Well, now that the French sent us with their engine, the plane is even more dead until something of their own appears.

In general, the moment when Russian Boeings and Airbuses land completely and irrevocably is not far off. There are more and more reports of breakdowns and accidents, and sooner or later, all these planes will end up on the ground. And God forbid, just on the outskirts of airports, and not in corn fields.

And UAC and Rostec don’t have much time. No, of course, if justifications for disrupting another program have already been invented today, as was the case with “import substitution,” then there are no questions here. But then one question remains: will we fly on something other than balloons, or is it time to start preparing?
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  1. +35
    24 February 2024 05: 27
    Advanced machine tool building needs to be developed... all sorts of CNC machines with multi-pass operations... allowing you to create any complex parts for aircraft... a very interesting direction.
    An interesting incident happened in Ivanovo... the prosecutor's office demands the return of a privatized heavy machine tool plant to the state... I read its history and worried again... I would have put these grabbers in formation against the wall and sent every second one to Gaidar... they played such tricks there.
    In general, the problem of recreating the civil aircraft industry is a complex problem and cannot be solved by a cavalry charge.
    1. +15
      24 February 2024 07: 03
      Advanced machine tool industry needs to be developed...

      It needs to be developed - that's for sure. And we immediately realize that we need to create our own production of microprocessors for CNC racks. Racks for Baikals have been developed, even machines have been produced, but they are incomparably more expensive than Korean ones.
      But 2022 has begun and TSMC no longer supplies processors from the ordered batches.
      We do not have our own production facilities for the production of 28nm processors.
      All that remains is to take what we produce - 90nm Elbrus in Zelenograd, albeit on foreign equipment, which has a resource and as soon as it is used up, then this technical process will not exist.
      So, we either remake the racks for processors that we can produce ourselves, with the prospect of remaking them at least once more. Either we create our own lithographic machines, start producing microchips, and then after 15-20 years we start producing our own machines.
      Or we start assembling manually operated machines and train many machine operators. True, the accuracy will vary and reliability will decrease. It will be like with spark plugs for aircraft engines. The original has 1000 hours of flight time, our imported ones have 100 hours of flight time. And even 100 hours is not a big deal, you just need to create a sufficient number of trained teams, equipped with the necessary equipment, capable of quickly and efficiently replacing spark plugs.
      And increase the pace of development of your own technologies, not on paper for the efficient use of funds, but for results!
      1. +52
        24 February 2024 08: 13
        Thanks to the author for the article and to the VO editors for their courage and civic position. Now not everyone will dare to tell the truth about Chemezov’s gang.
        The author is absolutely right: planes are not built on command and even according to wishes from the Kremlin, and even with the help of a lot of money.
        Aircraft manufacturing is a complex industry and exists in only a few countries in the world, and to restore it requires the competent actions of a team of professionals, a lot of money and a lot of time.
        The current bandits from Rostec will not do this, and they know it and they are just.......... they are sawing the budget for fairy tales to the lochtorat and are waiting for an agreement on the SVO, after which they expect that supplies of Boeings and Airbuses as well as components for Superjets and MS-21. Well, in a couple of years the lokhtorat will forget about these grandiose plans, just as he forgot about all the fairy tales of our leadership over the past 35 years. Only plan B, in case there is no agreement, as always, they don’t have
        1. +7
          24 February 2024 09: 06
          Well, in a couple of years the lokhtorat will forget about these grandiose plans, just as he forgot about all the fairy tales of our leadership over the past 35 years.

          This is true. And I want to see how many civilian aircraft our aircraft manufacturing industry can actually produce by 2030.
          I believe that no more than 35 and that is still optimistic.
          1. +25
            24 February 2024 10: 45
            I believe that no more than 35 and that is still optimistic.

            Unfortunately, judging by Rostec’s actions, their hesitations, and absolutely chaotic statements, it is immediately clear that they do not have any realistic and well-thought-out plans.
            If such plans were prepared by serious and competent people, did it systematically and bore personal criminal liability for their words, then no one would be talking about hundreds of new aircraft by 2030.
            But on the other hand, Aeroflot would be completely nationalized and would make a firm order for aircraft for at least 10-15 years in advance, salaries at aircraft factories would be SYSTEMICALLY revised to the levels that literate people are willing to accept, universities would begin to increase enrollment in aviation specialties, the average average would be restored -special aviation institutions, the level of secondary education would be strengthened, primarily in the regions.
            And finally, adequate and serious people would not think of abandoning the production of the Il-96-400M due to its obsolescence, because even a headless horseman knows that flying an old but serviceable Il-96-400M is much better than flying a Boeing with incomprehensible spare parts or ride a camel. Stupid excuses about saving money with a third crew member on a plane that carries 350 passengers over 10 thousand km are also at the level of a headless horseman who has nothing to think about.
            1. +3
              24 February 2024 20: 31
              Quote: ramzay21
              Unfortunately, judging by Rostec’s actions, their hesitations, and absolutely chaotic statements, it is immediately clear that they do not have any realistic and well-thought-out plans.

              Judging by what only we, ordinary residents, are experiencing, all sorts of Aeroflots, and the Kremlin, hope that it will all somehow settle down on its own and it will be possible to buy Airbuses and Boeings again. After all, it’s easy to buy airplanes - just pay money and that’s it, but to build one you have to put a lot of effort into it, think a lot, constantly move, but we’re not like that. Our boss, who has seized power and money, wants to travel, sail on a yacht, live for his own pleasure, so that his wife and children are happy, and not all these problems.
              1. +1
                25 February 2024 22: 41
                MS-21 and the new Superjet are dead planes:
                The aircraft is controlled using a fly-by-wire fly-by-wire control system - control signals from the cockpit are transmitted to the actuators of the rudders and the takeoff and landing mechanization of the wing via wires using electrical signals. The MC-21 is equipped with the latest generation of EDS from UTC Aerospace Systems (United Technologies Aerospace Systems, USA) with active side control sticks - joysticks (HOTAS).

                https://aviation21.ru/ms-21/
                We need to remake the planes and install our controls. The system will not be replaced and it is installed on these two aircraft...
                1. +1
                  25 February 2024 23: 43
                  I think the control wheels are not the most difficult part of the aircraft; I think ours are still capable of figuring out where which wire goes. In the end, most Western equipment is not the latest TSMC technology; 95% of problems can be solved. It’s just somehow not noticeable that someone is running around, stung in the butt, and scouring around in search of specialists and solutions. If some big boss is concerned that the problem is really solved, then he will quickly find specialists even in another country, throw a wad of money at everyone, kick his hangers-on so that they don’t interfere, and in a year or two the problems will somehow be solved. But we have business as usual, we haven’t started yet. Stir.
            2. +2
              25 February 2024 11: 26
              Salaries at aircraft factories would be SYSTEMICALLY revised to levels that literate people are willing to accept, universities would begin to increase enrollment in aviation specialties, secondary specialized aviation institutions would be restored

              So this contradicts the established guidelines in the 90s and they continue, when, with the help of liberal collaborators, the West destroyed the competitor, first in the person of the USSR, and then in the person of Russia, this is not why they, the liberals, had the task of “preparing the consumer.” And they won’t increase wages, not these liberals, then they themselves won’t have enough for yachts and ships, the goal was not to improve the well-being of Russians, but “those who don’t fit into the market” don’t mind 30 million...
            3. +3
              25 February 2024 11: 57
              Unfortunately, according to the actions of Rostec, their evasions, absolutely...

              You are 154,5% right, that is, even with a margin. I recently read, for the sake of my own development, about the key directions and research of the head of the Central Bank E. Nabiulina for 2024. One of the points raises the issue of risks when lending to enterprises working in the field of development and research. The profit from which will be associated with the “long ruble”. Anyone who knows even a little about economics understands what we’re talking about. Guys, I would like to ask, what have you been doing for 22 years? They imitated Euro-assholes, raised a generation of pretentious Morgensterns and Shamans, and grew rich with their own pockets from public resources!? It’s not businesslike and not at all patriotic. And then we ask why society as a whole is so alienated and corrupt. The answer is obvious. The fish rots from the head. I really hope that we will catch up and that Nabiulina, in her research, will multiply all her doubts and wisdom from the evil one to zero. After all, investing in a “long ruble” means investing in the Future of the country for decades to come, and trading for kickbacks and in your own pocket is cowardice and inferiority. No matter how rich you are in this life, you came here naked, and you will leave naked. What he did for his country, for future generations, people will remember.
              1. 0
                25 February 2024 14: 18
                Quote from cytadell
                Guys, I would like to ask, what have you been doing for 22 years? Imitated Euro-assholes

                If they had imitated Euro-assholes and non-assholes, then probably such a topic as the lack of their own aviation industry, or the auto industry, or other industries for which they are now crying in the Russian Federation, would not have been a topic. But the fact of the matter is that they decided to reinvent the wheel themselves and take a special path towards sovereign democracy.
          2. +4
            24 February 2024 11: 52
            Russia is actively preparing for the “landing” of Western aircraft in the fleets of our airlines and, apparently, almost the cessation of air traffic in the country belay
            Motorways and roads are being built all over Russia, the Chinese auto industry is being imported en masse, and a lot is being said about the delights of traveling around Russia!!! laughing
            1. 0
              24 February 2024 15: 22
              And the window to Europe and the rest of the world will be with the help of Turkey. And their planes.

              One consolation is that they haven’t forgotten how to make trains. And there are rails. And the Swallows fly.
          3. -5
            24 February 2024 19: 49
            The author, once again, like many people, is thinking about the wrong thing.
            The aviation industry is a whim. Economically senseless, in general. Purely ala “from Moscow to Khabarovsk” - for the rest it’s nonsense.
            And of course, after a couple of years, the office with the remaining half of the flyers has only two options - either fold or double the tickets for Russian roulette lovers.
            The outcome of all this is predictable.
            1. 0
              25 February 2024 17: 26
              Andrey Dibrov
              The author, once again, like many people, is thinking about the wrong thing.

              Be that as it may, you need to think ahead. Firstly, technology has stepped forward, AI is helping. In the present century, production efficiency has improved significantly, and if we really engage in industry, then our aviation industry will be profitable. Everything else is from the evil one. Let everyone remember when you are passionate about something, you don’t even notice the time, you do it with pleasure, quickly and with the best results. There are so many talented young people in our Russia, just get them interested and give them a vector. The result will be something else. Note that the country has done more in the last two years than in the previous 20 years. God willing, another 5-7 years and I will begin to be truly proud of our Motherland Russia, because the country is changing, and people are gradually changing too. Vivat Russia!
              1. 0
                29 February 2024 21: 08
                Gravity sucks at that ii
                1. 0
                  1 March 2024 20: 40
                  ) made me laugh. Well, somehow it is. Time will show.
            2. 0
              2 March 2024 07: 39
              Well, let’s say the aviation industry is not a whim, but the locomotive of the entire industry. Although the understanding of those holding power is also an issue. All revival movements are a pathetic imitation of activity
          4. 0
            1 March 2024 14: 31
            On February 29, UAC and Rostec announced an (expected) shift to the right in terms of the MS-21 and the new superjet. Now it’s 2025. On the one hand, it’s sad. But on the other hand, it was very interesting to watch the immediate online attack on MS-21. Perhaps tsipso also took part here. Well, the tales went like this: the flight range of the imported MS-21 dropped from 5000 km to 2000 km. The plane became heavier by 6 tons. At the same time, it has long been known that our composite wing is heavier than the Japanese-American one, but only 300 kg for both consoles. The flight altitude is only 7000m. Well, etc. For a person who does not understand aviation, this immediately hits the head. But the truth is completely different. It is also especially important that the fully imported MS-21 has not yet flown. Yes, it flew on our wing and engines, but there are still a lot of things that have to be redone. The first flight is expected closer to summer. This is parsley. He hasn't been born yet, but he's already been completely fucked.
            1. 0
              1 March 2024 20: 45
              They did the right thing by abkekali. It’s better to tell tales and throw the shit out of you a little, but so that in the end there is a result and our “bird” flies, than to beat yourself in the chest and talk about plans like with the Moon-stop-hundredth and so turn on the whole world.
        2. -3
          24 February 2024 09: 08
          We have already purchased about 160 used Boeings and Airbuses using roundabout routes.
          1. +12
            24 February 2024 09: 14
            We have already purchased about 160 used Boeings and Airbuses using roundabout routes.

            And who will guarantee that used aircraft have original spare parts, and if some of the critical spare parts are from a garage workshop in a Chinese province?
            1. 0
              24 February 2024 13: 15
              These are definitely not questions for me. I really hope that those who were able to carry out the purchase thought about this.
              1. Alf
                +2
                24 February 2024 19: 37
                Quote from Sanktperburg1812
                I really hope that those who were able to carry out the purchase thought about this.

                However, you are an optimist...
            2. +1
              24 February 2024 20: 32
              Perhaps they will fail, perhaps they will not fall, and if they fall, none of the organizers will be imprisoned.
          2. +4
            24 February 2024 19: 52
            belay
            (well it's very short)
          3. 0
            29 February 2024 21: 09
            Because now the only people left to sell that junk are suicides))
        3. +4
          24 February 2024 09: 38
          Quote: ramzay21
          Now not everyone will dare to tell the truth about Chemezov’s gang.
          Unfortunately, such a gang is not the only one in the country; there are many of them in different industries. And, characteristically, they do not compete with each other, but support each other!
          a design engineer, a person with a higher education, in rubles costs half as much as a turner-milling machine - this is a Spanish shame.
          Well, this good tradition dates back to Soviet times! I know it from myself.
          1. +1
            25 February 2024 16: 57
            Quote: Good evil
            a design engineer, a person with a higher education, in rubles costs half as much as a turner-milling machine - this is a Spanish shame.
            Well, this good tradition dates back to Soviet times! I know it from myself.

            Yes, "if you are stupid and lazy, then go to vocational school" wink
            It's great if it's white collar. Creative personalities, if that. Not like some kind of turner. His hands cannot be cleaned of metal and oil. Phew. Really a Spanish shame. Maybe that’s why there’s a shortage of great turners, whose development takes no less time than getting a higher education?
            PS All my children are design engineers.. wink
          2. -1
            29 February 2024 07: 15
            Well, the fact that a design engineer, a person with a higher education, in rubles costs half as much as a turner-miller - this is a Spanish shame.

            I wasn’t too lazy and went to the site:
            Miller
            from 80 thousand rubles
            Process Engineer
            to 84 thousand rubles
            Software Engineer
            from 100 thousand rubles
            Design Engineer
            to 84 thousand rubles
            As you can see, the difference is by no means significant.
            Well, a milling machine operator today and 30 years ago are not the same thing. This is an equally important specialist, on whom a lot depends, and not a laborer with a sledgehammer and a stepladder.
            Once again we see Skomorokhov = incompetence?
            Does he even know how to do anything?
            1. 0
              29 February 2024 07: 25
              my father is a design engineer who designed solar panels for satellites. He retired very honorably and then worked as both a chief and a leader in the accompanying departments, they called him a lot, experience... They still sometimes apply, but they no longer want to work, there are other prerogatives. And according to inventions, sometimes money just drips out when launching products. A classic “Western pensioner”, in retirement he went to resorts with his wife. While my mother’s health allowed it. In the 90s, how everyone survived in their dachas.
        4. -7
          24 February 2024 11: 32
          Roman correctly noted. It’s not about money or production. But stupidly, there is no one. When the Smolensk aircraft plant was destroyed, the first thing they did was shut down the factory technical school. And I also want to say. We don’t need these hundreds of planes. Why? Yes, we are at war, and we have to go there resources. And in the civilian sectors, then excuse me, you’ll have to tighten your straps.
          1. +6
            24 February 2024 15: 55
            A country like Russia cannot live without an aviation industry, let alone a civil one
            1. -3
              24 February 2024 15: 58
              So now the question is about the existence of the state itself. Let us resolve this issue, defeat the West, then we can make every effort to develop the civil aircraft industry.
              1. +4
                24 February 2024 15: 59
                a very difficult question to be honest, internal problems cannot be separated from external ones and, on the contrary, everything must be done and developed.
              2. +4
                24 February 2024 20: 10
                If we defeat the West, then we can make every effort to develop the civil aircraft industry.

                Civil and military aircraft manufacturing are generally quite closely connected. Materials science, engines, navigation, hull parts can all be produced at one plant, both for military and civilian ships. But the state can save on the Games of the future, the Olympic Committee and in general on sports of great achievements, on the construction of giant sports facilities, northern latitudinal routes, and highways. Yes, you never know what else. But it is impossible to save on producing qualified specialists with sufficiently high salaries.
                1. +2
                  24 February 2024 20: 35
                  Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                  But it is impossible to save on producing qualified specialists with sufficiently high salaries.

                  Our state saves primarily on places for highly qualified specialists, money still somehow goes to universities, students somehow study, but it’s somehow hard to work for pennies
                2. 0
                  25 February 2024 00: 02
                  But the state can save on the Games of the future, the Olympic Committee and in general on sports of great achievements,

                  I don’t know if it’s controversial to save money on this. It is clear that these are not essential things, but still not very harmful for general morality.
                  northern latitudinal passages, expressways

                  But this is definitely not worth saving on. This is infrastructure and this is the basis of the entire economy.
                  1. +1
                    25 February 2024 12: 07
                    Speaking of sports and the Olympic movement. Well, let's say we beat the Americans in hockey. Nice. But what has changed. People still get up early for work. The same wife cooks the same food. And the salary has not changed (if it weren’t for high-level sports, it might have been ten rubles more). Still, high performance sport is just a spectacle.
          2. +7
            24 February 2024 21: 13
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            When the Smolensk Aviation Plant was destroyed, the first thing they did was shut down the factory technical school.

            In Togliatti the same song. When the French came to AvtoVAZ, the first thing they did was throw off the social system and vocational schools, technical schools and institutes. And they cut up the entire scientific and technical base. When I spoke about this here about five or seven years ago, the uryakly answered me - rightly so.
            The story of the destruction of vocational education across the country is systemic. And I don't believe in accidents.
            Today, despite the complexity of the situation in the country, nothing is being done to revive vocational education. And therefore everything that is said about the entrance of the industry is just words
        5. -1
          24 February 2024 14: 10
          Current bandits from Rostec

          Bandits, but not from Rostec.
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        7. -1
          25 February 2024 15: 31
          You live in capitalism, where the main question is not “how to produce?”, but “who will buy it? (i.e., who will pay for it?)”, because without real interested customers, no high-tech model can be designed, created and launched in the series won't work. And if you look for a “gang” somewhere, it’s in the camp of operators - Aeroflot, S7 and others who are stupid profitable acquire and operate Boeings and Airbuses, rather than wait until Oak and Rostec and Sukhoi learn to build new reliable aircraft. And in order to break this situation in one way or another, you need political will of the state, and with this in the sphere of high-tech production of anything, except, perhaps, the production of weapons models, we have a very difficult time... in one word: “Well, hang in there, have a good mood!”
        8. 0
          27 February 2024 05: 39
          And this is just “the Kremlin wanted”? Or do you also have a “Wishlist”? So that the Russian Federation produces its own aircraft?
      2. +3
        24 February 2024 17: 07
        Can you tell me why a CNC machine needs a 28 nm processor? and even 90 nm? The bulk of industrial processors in the world are produced according to standards of 130 - 350 nm. And according to these standards, processors for military and space technology are produced - due to their higher reliability. Besides Zelenograd, we have production of processors according to such standards, however, small-scale and expensive, for the defense industry and space, for the civilian market - both expensive and small, here, for example, is the line of Comdiv processors: https://www.niisi. ru/devel.htm. For mass production, the development of the 350 nm lithograph (and all associated equipment and materials) should be completed this year and production began. So we'll see. There are, of course, enough problems in the country with the production of electronic components, aircraft, machine tools and much more. But I wouldn’t say that nothing is being done.
        1. 0
          24 February 2024 19: 56
          The bulk of industrial processors in the world are produced according to standards of 130 - 350 nm. And according to these standards, processors for military and space technology are produced - due to their higher reliability.

          Agree. But tell me, on what equipment are these processors produced and what is the remaining resource of lithographs at enterprises in Russia?
          1. 0
            24 February 2024 20: 04
            In Russia, the production of these processors (Command Division) was initially carried out at the Mini-factory of the NIISI RAS: https://www.niisi.ru/fab/index.html, some were transferred to Mikron. I don’t know what kind of equipment and resources there are. By the way, 2 Komdiv 64 processors using 65 nm technology are marked as: Included in the “Register of Industrial Products Manufactured on the Territory of the Russian Federation”. So the question is - where are they made?
      3. +3
        24 February 2024 19: 42
        Processors there, in my opinion, are a third matter. Well, the process technology will be 90 nM, the processor will be a little slower - and even then, the final performance largely depends on the quality of the software. The problem, I think, is the lack of positioning drives operating with guaranteed accuracy of hundredths of a millimeter, and sensors that control these movements. Without them, any processor is a toy.
    2. +27
      24 February 2024 09: 57
      Hmm, do you know what the fundamental difference between the economies of the USSR and the Russian Federation is? The USSR had a planned economy, and the Russian Federation had a planned economy. Yes
    3. +7
      24 February 2024 17: 18
      Take Samara Avicor. Passed into the private hands of a rogue. And he produced not only TU 154, but also TU 95. The first thing the rogue did was scrap all the equipment from TU 95. With a living drunk government. Now we praise them for flying. How many of them are left? And what awaits their replacement? We destroyed everything with our own hands. They started making Trotter on Frunze, but they screwed it up.
      And yes, I believe that in seven years Russia will assemble not 600 but 700 aircraft))
      1. 0
        24 February 2024 19: 28
        Quote: Old Sergeant
        Passed into the private hands of a rogue.

        By chance we are not talking about Deripaska?
    4. 0
      28 February 2024 10: 54
      In our country, after the start of the Northern Military District, defense enterprises were privatized and the equipment was scrapped, and the buildings were demolished in order to build another microdistrict, what kind of development are we talking about? Development is underway, but in a different direction. Just look at how miraculously bankers and oligarchs are getting rich after the start of the SVO. And no sanctions interfere. True, they stopped letting people into Courchevel, it’s sad, yes, but that’s all. And the aviation industry continues to die and we are approaching the point of no return.
    5. 0
      1 March 2024 11: 57
      They messed up with privatization throughout the country. But no one has been convicted yet. And the IZTS in Ivanovo...maybe someone needed the land.
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  3. +22
    24 February 2024 05: 39
    Sarcasm.
    Hold out for 5-6 years and purchase Chinese civil aircraft. bully
    1. +15
      24 February 2024 05: 45
      smile What sarcasm... this is where things are headed... apparently. request
    2. +17
      24 February 2024 07: 14
      Hold out for 5-6 years and purchase Chinese civil aircraft.

      By the way, yes. They won’t sell chips, but they will sell planes, albeit more expensive than Boeing and Airbus combined. But they are our comrades - they can!
    3. +12
      24 February 2024 08: 36
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      Hold out for 5-6 years and purchase Chinese civil aircraft.
      They won’t sell it - the Chinese ones are the same Lego as the Superjet, if not more. And the same Americans will not give the go-ahead for their components for aircraft supplied to Russia. At one time, they were unable to supply Superjets to Iran, precisely because of this. The story is well known. So we'll be traveling by train soon
      1. +8
        24 February 2024 10: 36
        “So we’ll be traveling by train soon.”
        when Boeings and Airbuses begin to fall, passengers will vote with their feet and go to the locomotive. There will be freedom for Russian Railways!
        1. Alf
          +4
          24 February 2024 19: 40
          Quote: ZloyKot
          There will be freedom for Russian Railways!

          And it’s scary to even think about what prices for trains will be. There will be no competitors.
        2. +3
          24 February 2024 19: 58
          There, most likely, no one goes anywhere further than their area in principle - as unnecessary.
          Except for the mother-in-law's funeral.
          1. 0
            25 February 2024 14: 34
            There are a large number of shift workers in the Russian Federation; if companies do not pay for their flights, then shifts will begin for several years and few will want to work anywhere in Yamal.
            1. Alf
              0
              25 February 2024 19: 36
              Quote: karabas-barabas
              There are a large number of shift workers in the Russian Federation; if companies do not pay for their flights, then shifts will begin for several years and few will want to work anywhere in Yamal.

              Will this be a problem for Russian Railways?
              1. 0
                26 February 2024 20: 26
                The person above wrote, they say, in general there is no need to fly anywhere, as a joke or not, I don’t understand. Russian Railways, of course, has nothing to do with this, even with a strong desire, since many places in Russia do not have railways or highways, air transport is the only connection.
                1. Alf
                  0
                  27 February 2024 21: 41
                  This means that these people will live like on an island. Its own power, its own economy, its own armed forces, its own currency.
            2. 0
              29 February 2024 21: 12
              For a shift, whether it’s a day or a week on the road, it doesn’t make a difference.
              A live carriage of shift workers is, in any case, more profitable than a flying coffin
    4. +1
      25 February 2024 14: 31
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      purchase Chinese civil aircraft

      Can you tell me if the Chinese make a lot of civil aircraft? I'll give you a hint - not a single one! Or rather, something like the Superjet seems to have finally been finished, but in the same non-import-substituted design, with a bunch of Western technologies, including engines. Even if the Chinese begin mass serial production, it is unlikely that at least one will end up in the Russian Federation, precisely because of Western engines and a bunch of other things. So there is no hope for China, except maybe in 20 years.
  4. +27
    24 February 2024 05: 46
    I went to the website https://rabota-vaso.ru. Just briefly glanced at the vacancies. Do they really want to recruit people for such salaries? recourse In our local store they couldn’t find a person, a conditional loader, to move boxes on the sales floor for 30 thousand with a schedule of 3 through 3.
    I heard about Luna 25, the unsuccessful landing. And the answer. What do you want from people who worked for 25 thousand a month?
    Personnel decide everything. Under Stalin, this was understood and qualified workers were received as ministers.
    1. +17
      24 February 2024 06: 21
      About 40 years ago I worked in the assembly of Sushek, as a riveter, I earned decently, 340 rubles. The other day I saw an advertisement for assemblers at the Chkalovsky plant, salary 70 rubles.
      1. +7
        24 February 2024 06: 54
        Quote: ASAD
        About 40 years ago I worked as a Sushek assembly worker, as a riveter, and earned decent money, 340 rubles.

        At the Smolensk Aviation Plant, the earnings were the same, but now they are somehow riveting the Yak-18T aircraft, there are no specialists, orders are scanty.
      2. +12
        24 February 2024 10: 31
        Yeah, yeah 70 tr. There probably are conditions in the contract that if you work full time, 40 hours a week, you will earn 35 tr. But if it’s 60 and seven days a week, then maybe 70 will come out dirty.
        1. +6
          24 February 2024 10: 57
          Yes, you are right and now all salaries are indicated as “dirty” and from the same notorious 70 you need to subtract 13% of the income. hi
        2. Tim
          +11
          24 February 2024 10: 59
          In November 2023, I saw a vacancy for an assembler of armored hulls for military vehicles in Naberezhnye Chelny; the work schedule was 60/30 shift, 6 days 11 hours a day, 1 day off, then 6 days 11 hours a night, salary 120-125 thousand rubles)) ) Schedule for slaves!!! I signed up with the replacement N-men and they said “70 thousand rubles no more, the locals are reluctant to do slave labor.”
    2. +6
      24 February 2024 06: 28
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      In our local store they couldn’t find a person, a conditional loader, to move boxes on the sales floor for 30 thousand with a schedule of 3 through 3.

      We had the same situation at our bakery. Now there is an advertisement with an offer of 40 rubles...
    3. +11
      24 February 2024 07: 56
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      Cadres decide everything
      First, these frames need to be taken from somewhere. In our country it is now easier to find an alien than a machine worker
    4. Alf
      +3
      24 February 2024 19: 44
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      I heard about Luna 25, the unsuccessful landing. And the answer. What do you want from people who worked for 25 thousand a month?
    5. 0
      25 February 2024 14: 55
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      I heard about Luna 25, the unsuccessful landing. And the answer. What do you want from people who worked for 25 thousand a month?

      Back in 2013, exactly 190 years ago, I talked with a young engineer from UVZ. Then there was a topic about a VAZ, where just about anyone, students, gasters and other junkies did the assembly at random for 18-20 thousand, but they say when Zhugulya was ordered for someone, a team of stern men came and scalded the body by hand again. To which this guy from UVZ responded that they say that ours is no better, the main workers are either ancient electricians who are not allowed to retire, next to them are the same gasters and students. On the middle shelf we, the engineering staff, accountants, the salary for a newbie is 25 thousand, up to 70 thousand, but this is for a couple with a higher grade and with a very busy work schedule. But the problem, he said, is that on the upper floors, where there are a large bunch of slackers, some majors, whose children of the local elite have nowhere to be placed until they mature to become an official, managers, directors and their endless deputies, who are involved in tea parties and rallies there, have exorbitant salaries and manage budgets, and the vast majority of them are very far from tank building. There is no productive communication between production floors, or at least it was like that then, I don’t know how it is now, now I think there’s a fire under their ass, of course, there are 3 shifts of repairs.
  5. Eug
    +18
    24 February 2024 05: 56
    The situation is very reminiscent of the classic approach of the “sawmillers” - there is some result, but only to justify further allocation of funds... They have learned to imitate and present “results” very well, framing all this with terms like “technology demonstrator”, “multifunctional platform” and etc., but to really do it... and the results, as I understand it, are now increasingly calculated based on pockets, and not on ready-made hardware....
    1. -1
      24 February 2024 20: 03
      It's still in the 90s, and sharply so. I remember in one design bureau they tried a headquarters control machine on Pentiums (!) that weren’t fastened together. With home-grown proprietary interfaces and other tripe.
      Predictably, all this was remembered.
      1. 0
        25 February 2024 15: 10
        Quote: Andrey Dibrov
        It's still in the 90s, and sharply so.

        You can look at Rosstat statistics, as well as other chronological graphs of the development and decline of Russian mechanical engineering, the basis of all production in general. So, in the early 90s, it certainly sank, but by the end of the 90s and early 2000s, Russian mechanical engineering was growing, and rapidly, and then it was at its peak, but it began to collapse with the beginning of rising oil prices and by 2010 it had hit the bottom, then a trillion dollars were injected into The military-industrial complex has revived the mechanical engineering industry of the Russian Federation since 2011, but not for long, the first sanctions of 2014 came. Own mechanical engineering was replaced by petrodollars, for which everything was sold to the Russian Federation. Moreover, until 2014, the West was much more open to the Russian Federation than the PRC, the PRC could only dream of certain types of cooperation, but the Russian Federation did not use this for its own development. Until now, the industry and infrastructure of the Russian Federation is based on a large mass of Western machines, machines, turbines and motors, which will increasingly need replacement, repairs and service. Russia is big and, of course, everything will not end abruptly and will not stop, but if important measures for import substitution are not taken today, then it will be impossible to prevent the shutdown of a number of industries, and what closes and does not work for some time, as we know, dies.
  6. -17
    24 February 2024 06: 03
    I think, given the hopeless situation, they will push production forward. Everything will definitely be fine with the engines, but with the production of airframes they will simply be forced to sort it out. By the way, MS-21, a new plane. IL-96 is waiting for its aircraft after 30, composite wings are already being made. So compared to 2014, yes it’s bad but not terrible as before.
    1. +17
      24 February 2024 06: 26
      Quote: WingCat
      I think, given the hopeless situation, they will push production forward.

      In hopeless and hopeless situations, as practice shows, there is a strange increase in the theft of public funds, a desire to withdraw capital and an increase in prices for services, goods and tariffs...
    2. +11
      24 February 2024 08: 04
      Quote: WingCat
      So compared to 2014, yes it’s bad but not terrible as before.

      Accordingly, dozens of planes are already in the sky, or what has changed in your opinion compared to 2014?
      1. -17
        24 February 2024 09: 07
        Engine factories have been built since 2014; before that, no one cared at all. It’s certainly easier to write and spit on everything. I wrote about the fact that over 10 years there has been progress in the right direction. Although if you can start aircraft production as quickly as possible, they will only thank you. If there are facts of theft, send them where they should go to jail, why write about it in the comments then. Yes, if you don’t know, the production of engines from scratch to installation on an aircraft takes 25 years, we did it in 10, isn’t it bad for me?
        1. +17
          24 February 2024 09: 27
          Yes, if you don’t know, the production of engines from scratch to installation on an aircraft takes 25 years, we did it in 10, isn’t it bad for me?

          Great! And which aircraft (flying) have engines from factories built after 2014? Maybe I'm just not aware...
        2. man
          +7
          24 February 2024 09: 55
          Quote: WingCat
          Engine factories have been built since 2014; before that, no one cared at all. It’s certainly easier to write and spit on everything. I wrote about the fact that over 10 years there has been progress in the right direction. Although if you can start aircraft production as quickly as possible, they will only thank you. If there are facts of theft, send them where they should go to jail, why write about it in the comments then. Yes, if you don’t know, the production of engines from scratch to installation on an aircraft takes 25 years, we did it in 10, isn’t it bad for me?

          I really want to believe you. I hope you are an expert and base your judgments on facts. Then don't be silent, please continue.
          1. Alf
            +3
            24 February 2024 19: 48
            Quote: mann
            base your judgments on facts. Then don't be silent, please continue.

            "We have evidence, but it is secret and we will not provide it to you."
            1. man
              +1
              25 February 2024 00: 26
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: mann
              base your judgments on facts. Then don't be silent, please continue.

              "We have evidence, but it is secret and we will not provide it to you."

              Absolutely agree! I caught myself and wanted to add “not forgetting about secrecy, of course,” but the time for making changes ran out smile
        3. 0
          25 February 2024 15: 19
          Quote: WingCat
          If there are facts of theft, send them where they should go to jail, why write about it in the comments?

          Do you think they don’t write statements about the facts of theft to the prosecutor’s office and even show where this theft comes up, in great detail, with documents, names and appearances, the prosecutor’s office doesn’t really need to do anything, everything is so banal and simple. But in the Russian Federation they immediately open a case against the one who pointed out the fact of theft, and not against the one who actually stole. The disclosure of facts of theft and corruption is now equated with cooperation with the CIA and neo-Nazis in Kyiv. Therefore, no one will go anywhere to declare any facts.
  7. -3
    24 February 2024 06: 14
    The superjet is not 75% foreign, but 50%, well, the Tu334 is also foreign, and the engines are foreign, and all this is hokholyatsky.
    There’s no point in commenting on the rest because it’s a distortion upon a distortion.
    1. +13
      24 February 2024 06: 34
      Who heard about the A50 yesterday?
      1. +9
        24 February 2024 07: 59
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Who heard about the A50 yesterday?

        Air defense officers should not pour water, even on a holiday. There are no words, just swearing. hi
        1. +1
          24 February 2024 09: 53
          Do not pour water to air defense officers
          Forbes writes that Ukrainians were shot down from an ambush. He says the Russians lost their vigilance and flew close to the front line.
          1. -1
            24 February 2024 13: 58
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Forbes writes

            An investigation is underway. That's why I don't believe gossip and rumors. This is why AWACS planes fly without security recourse
          2. +4
            24 February 2024 17: 04
            From the nearest LBS point - 256 km...
          3. 0
            25 February 2024 00: 20
            Where is this, in the Krasnodar region, the front line?
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    2. +6
      24 February 2024 08: 38
      Quote: Kolin
      There’s no point in commenting on the rest because it’s a distortion upon a distortion.
      Well, it’s a fact that the deadlines keep shifting and shifting, and for all the planes from the article. And you can’t refer to sanctions for every transfer. What a distortion this is.
    3. Alf
      0
      24 February 2024 19: 50
      Quote: Kolin
      The superjet is foreign not by 75%, but by 50%

      The difference is "dramatic"...
      Quote: Kolin
      There’s no point in commenting on the rest because it’s a distortion upon a distortion.
      That is, you can’t refute it...
  8. +26
    24 February 2024 06: 21
    Who is to blame?
    Yes, such proteges of the unprecedentedly popular “guarantor” as the mediocre and unprincipled Manturov (who is only interested in personal income). Those gluttons are money-grubbing oligarchs (legalized thieves), for whom concealing (hiding) profits and income has become the goal of life. Those same manipulators who knock out the technical base by shuffling the composition of the design bureau.
    A narrow-minded speculative economy based on the principle: buy and sell.
    And, most importantly, the lack of desire to change the situation in the country in a radical way... Or, perhaps, an animal fear for the time spent aimlessly in power, when there is essentially nothing to remember, and you don’t want to object to anything, because there are materials, documents, and videos that are incriminating and revealing the ins and outs...
    I see, my friends! an unoppressed people
    And slavery, fallen by the mania of the king,
    And over the fatherland of enlightened freedom
    Will the beautiful dawn finally rise?
    1. +15
      24 February 2024 08: 10
      They say that Rodin sculpted “The Thinker” from Russian... A naked man sits and painfully wonders who is to blame for this and what to do now..

      But seriously, does anyone else really believe that the bourgeoisie are capable of anything useful? It seems like they have shown their essence very clearly over the past decades. Just like the beloved guarantor. There is no need for illusions - only Soviet power can get us out of this shit...
      1. +16
        24 February 2024 09: 33
        There is no need for illusions - only Soviet power can get us out of this shit...


        I agree with you.

        Those people who contributed to the collapse of the Russian aircraft industry and now occupy high positions in the country.

        “No interests of national industry, in this case the aviation industry, are worth human lives. If the aircraft manufacturing industry is not able to create high-quality and reliable aircraft, Russia will buy them abroad,” this phrase of Dmitry Medvedev was carried by all news agencies of the world immediately after the tragedy in Yaroslavl...." https://www.mk.ru/ economics/2011/09/12/622751-quotzakazquot-na-rossiyskie-samoletyi.html

        “...Fradkov stated “the inability to produce competitive aircraft products on our own.” And if the Ministry of Industry and Energy concludes that “there is no other way but to give up, then the government is ready to discuss this. ...
        ...Herman Gref openly calls on the state to withdraw from the aviation industry. "The industry is uncompetitive. There is only one diagnosis - the industry is infected by the state" ...
        ...The government is considering a “development strategy” for the domestic aviation industry, but instead of supporting Russian aviation, the ministers consider it necessary to liberalize the regime for the import of certain types of foreign aircraft into Russia (such a decision could be made before the end of the year, Khristenko said).
        https://www.aviaport.ru/news/95732/



        Who will revive aircraft manufacturing?
        Who ruined it?
        I feel funny when I read the news:
        "Kiriyenko spoke about the participants in the Leaders of Russia competition"

        New managers. Oh well.
        What to manage then?
        To start managing something, you need to create something.
        There are not enough creators, but there is no end to those who want to manage.
      2. +8
        24 February 2024 09: 55
        Are the bourgeoisie capable of anything useful?
        American and European bourgeoisie, as practice shows, are quite.
        1. +4
          24 February 2024 10: 04
          Well, yes - at the expense of everyone around. Including us. And at whose expense will we then get out of the bourgeoisie?
          1. +8
            24 February 2024 10: 08
            at the expense of everyone around. Including us
            Western aviation giants did not appear at your expense and not at mine. It’s just that instead of yachts and villas, they assembled a team of designers, built a plant, and from the propeller.
            1. +5
              24 February 2024 10: 13
              Alas for you - this is an example from the same bygone times. Then we were still very good. So are they. Now what? Look at the same Boeing of recent years - this is some kind of horror... And how do they build nuclear power plants? There are plenty of examples!

              Industrial classical capitalism has been given a long life, with all its advantages and disadvantages. Nowadays the world is ruled by financiers. In fact, they are naked hucksters and speculators, in principle incapable of anything decent. This is a completely different world. It’s not for nothing that people in the West have been studying Marx so persistently lately... Apparently, they have begun to understand where all this has led them...
              1. +3
                24 February 2024 10: 18
                Look at the same Boeing of recent years - it’s some kind of horror
                He barks normally - he drove me more than once or three times without problems.
                in the West lately they have been studying Marx so persistently
                They are probably still trying to understand why he was buried at London’s Highgate, surrounded by stars of world communism of a lower rank (they actually set up a ghetto for themselves around his grave Yes ).
                1. 0
                  24 February 2024 10: 21
                  Hmm... I see that a long stay in those parts has a painful effect on fragile souls...

                  What's flying? What was made before? What about the last 10 years? Their latest models? You read about their creation - even on a bald head the hair stands on end... About new nuclear power plants - do you think everything is fine with them too?
                  1. +2
                    24 February 2024 10: 24
                    About new nuclear power plants - do you think everything is fine with them too?
                    There are absolutely no problems here with electricity or air tickets. A nuclear power plant, like an airplane, is a complex thing, so you should at least expect the unexpected. But so far everything is fine.
                  2. -1
                    25 February 2024 16: 23
                    Quote: paul3390
                    What's flying? What was made before? What about the last 10 years? Their latest models? You read about their creation - even on a bald head the hair stands on end... About new nuclear power plants - do you think everything is fine with them too?

                    All that flies all over the world, including still in the Russian Federation, are Boeings and Airbuses. What's wrong with their latest models and who did it better? For some reason, China, with its incomprehensible authoritarian capitalism under the rule of the Communist Party, is still lagging far behind in such disciplines as aircraft manufacturing and has still not been able to create its own airliner. What's wrong with nuclear power plants? The Finns have built the most modern one now, and among the most powerful Russian nuclear power plants there are not any large chunks of the market. Sooner or later, at least Western countries will abandon nuclear power plants anyway, since the problem of waste has not been solved, as is known in the Russian Federation, in the vastness of Siberia and the Far East, seemingly French waste is still being dumped (under stories about their processing using unique Russian technologies ), Germans were also accepted before. Uranium is also a resource that needs to be mined, and the safety of nuclear power plants is always in question. Now, in addition to the increasing distribution of energy from wind turbines and the sun, which, for example, in Germany on the most favorable days produce 60%, on average about 45% of the total energy, other technologies are being developed, such as ethanol and hydrogen. Already now, technology and industry can completely switch to green energy, but even there in the West there are a lot of brakes and interest groups. Russian gas was supposed to play the role of a transition energy source. And cooperation in the field of hydrogen was expected in the future. Russia is actually sitting on a huge gold bag, which no Arabs have ever dreamed of; it has the opportunity, like no other in the world, to produce liquid hydrogen cheaply and on a huge scale. As you know, for this you need only one of the two, either cheap electricity, or natural gas, and Russia has both in abundance, to also build a hydrogen production plant at a hydroelectric power station, then this is absolutely green energy, endless and free in essence and You can drown Europe in hydrogen. And Europe would need hydrogen to ease the load on power grids due to the growing number of electric vehicles, since freight and passenger transport, aviation and many other things could run on hydrogen. Since Russia is dropping out of this game for some time, the Kazakhs got involved and started doing some shamanism on the subject of hydrogen supplies, since the Kazakhs at least have gas. In Germany, by the way, they were able to launch a thermonuclear reactor, so far, of course, all experiments, but at a very high level, and work is already moving towards creating the appearance of such power plants. If Germany, the USA or some other Western country where such work is being carried out manages to create power plants on the principles of controlled thermonuclear fusion, if this works, then they will completely disappear from any dependence on energy resources from the outside.
                2. -4
                  24 February 2024 14: 49
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  It’s normal - it took me more than once or three times without problems.
                  Not normal: Google about recent 737Max accidents and disasters. A stupid redneck ruined a good plane. In short, instead of making the 757, they decided to cram more people into the 737, for which they lengthened it. Alignment is lost. They decided to counter the violation programmatically, but they decided not to just give away this solution with the plane, but to sell it as an option. Not everyone bought this option because they didn’t particularly talk about alignment violations, so there weren’t really any people willing to spend money just like that. As a result, several planes were damaged, only after the 3rd or 4th accident they decided to distribute the software patch for free. Well, with the door plug it’s absolutely enchanting, I won’t retell it, because you still won’t believe it.
                  1. +1
                    25 February 2024 16: 26
                    Quote: bk0010
                    Not normal: Google about recent 737Max accidents and disasters.

                    This last time was many years ago and they have been cheerfully ordered for a long time, they fly and don’t fall, thank God.
      3. +9
        24 February 2024 10: 29
        Quote: paul3390
        They say that Rodin sculpted “The Thinker” from Russian... A naked man sits and painfully wonders who is to blame for this and what to do now..

        But seriously, does anyone else really believe that the bourgeoisie are capable of anything useful? It seems like they have shown their essence very clearly over the past decades. Just like the beloved guarantor. There is no need for illusions - only Soviet power can get us out of this shit...

        But where to find this Soviet power now, you can’t find it during the day, but if something like that begins to make a voice or stir, then the current government is crushing it in the bud. Therefore, this will continue without dawn or light.
        1. Alf
          +2
          24 February 2024 19: 54
          Quote: leks
          Therefore, this will continue without dawn or light.

          Nikolashka thought so too in ’17, and then suddenly he was left without a job.
          1. +1
            24 February 2024 20: 01
            Quote: Alf
            Quote: leks
            Therefore, this will continue without dawn or light.

            Nikolashka thought so too in ’17, and then suddenly he was left without a job.

            Only Nicholas 2 did not have the Internet and the experience of generations to remain without work
  9. +1
    24 February 2024 06: 33

    Necessary editorial disclaimer: this article has already been published

    I don’t understand whether to read the article or not (I mean, this is really a repetition)?
    1. 0
      24 February 2024 17: 09
      Read, read.
      It's like from Tu-204 to Tu-214.
    2. 0
      25 February 2024 00: 22
      The plate from Rostec at the end is interesting with a schedule of supplies and needs.
  10. +3
    24 February 2024 06: 34
    Arise, prophet, and see and heed, Be fulfilled by my will, And, going around the seas and lands, Burn the hearts of people with your verb

    But we need to monitor the authenticity, otherwise the verb flows into the Glagolitic alphabet
  11. +4
    24 February 2024 06: 35
    Quote: Eug
    there is some result, but solely to justify the further allocation of funds... they have learned to imitate and present “results” very well, framing all this with terms like “technology demonstrator”, “multifunctional platform”, etc., but to actually do it ...

    + 10000000!!!!!!!!
  12. +7
    24 February 2024 06: 40
    There are no fools at Boeing and Airbus. And it’s not so easy to organize the supply of necessary spare parts through intermediaries, especially if the manufacturer monitors every screw.

    True words Roman, thanks for the article.
    1. +3
      24 February 2024 09: 13
      And I have a question: if spare parts for Boeings are not available, how can Iranian airlines fly?
      1. Alf
        0
        24 February 2024 19: 56
        Quote from solist2424
        And I have a question: if spare parts for Boeings are not available, how can Iranian airlines fly?

        There's a suitcase of greenery, there's a suitcase of spare parts. But the authorities there are interested in the development of the country.
      2. +1
        25 February 2024 16: 39
        Quote from solist2424
        How do Iranian airlines fly?

        It’s too bad, Iran has the most plane crashes of all, and getting a used 20-year-old plane is a big adventure through several countries and several years to confuse the tracks. Iran is smaller than Russia and the climate there is not so harsh, which, if you look at the experience of Iran, does not make the situation in Russia any better in the near future.
  13. +5
    24 February 2024 06: 44
    There are plans to build 100 aircraft a year, there is money, there is metal, everything is there. Or almost everything. There are no people to build aircraft in such quantities.
    You can’t argue with that, Roman said everything correctly, thanks for the article.
    1. +3
      24 February 2024 13: 54
      Quote: tihonmarine
      There are no people

      That's it. They are building workshops, new schools and hospitals, but there is no one to work in them... There are no people.
  14. +4
    24 February 2024 06: 52
    There should be topical sarcasm here about Russian air defense... but that would be too dark.
  15. +10
    24 February 2024 07: 00
    “There are no planes. It’s strange, isn’t it? There are designers, there are engineers, there are factories, but there are no planes.”
    Why strange"? there is nothing strange! Still, they want to be “bloggers” and “scribblers,” but no one dreams of going to work as a machine operator at a factory!
    1. +9
      24 February 2024 07: 18
      Quote: ved_med12
      Still, they want to be “bloggers” and “scribblers,” but no one dreams of going to work as a machine operator at a factory!

      The time of the working man is gone, children want money, not work.
      1. +16
        24 February 2024 07: 57
        The time of the working man is gone, children want money, not work.

        Here you are not entirely right. Young university graduates come who want to become engineers.
        But the company can offer them practically nothing. There is no system for developing skills and qualifications, no salary, no meaning in work, no respect for human work.
        If engineers understood that in 5-10 years, by working hard, they would improve their skills and be in demand in the labor market or in production, then the situation would be completely different. And so you come young, work for a salary of 30 thousand rubles for 10 years, and then what? The state won’t provide you with an apartment, you won’t be able to afford an apartment and a car on such a salary, you won’t help the state, since effective managers will definitely derail everything. Young people go where they can earn at least something
        1. +10
          24 February 2024 08: 55
          Quote: Sergey_Bely
          Here you are not entirely right. Young university graduates come who want to become engineers.
          But the company can offer them practically nothing.

          Are you familiar with such phenomena as schools of excellence and mentoring?
          A graduate comes with a set of necessary knowledge, but what should he create? What should he work on? It was Korolev who could set a task that thousands of people worked on...What tasks could Borisov set? What does Manturov know about production? Can a former gynecologist say what a modern clinic should be like and where he could see it?
          1. +7
            24 February 2024 09: 03
            Are you familiar with such phenomena as schools of excellence and mentoring?

            Familiar. I am also familiar with the scientific organization of labor.
            Everything you say is correct!
      2. +12
        24 February 2024 08: 06
        Quote: carpenter

        The time of the working man is gone, children want money, not work.

        Give normal salaries and this time will return. And let's not forget about propaganda. Where is the glorification of workers? Professions? Interesting films about workers, family...Only watch old ones?
        1. +5
          24 February 2024 09: 03
          Quote: Egoza
          Give normal salaries and this time will return.

          Stop talking about these salaries...
          We told us what “manholes” (devices for climbing onto a support) should look like, and they brought us crap that unbent under the weight of the fitter.
          There are operations whose execution time is reduced significantly, but this requires a high-quality power tool, and the hardware itself must be of high quality. But it turns out that the cheaper the better, when the wedge clamps fall apart or fly apart because of a manufacturing defect...
          1. +6
            24 February 2024 09: 11
            Stop talking about these salaries...

            That's it!
            It is difficult to develop competencies, but easy to lose them.
            In addition, without high-quality equipment with a high level of accuracy, it is impossible to make high-quality products with high added value.
            The existing equipment wears out and accuracy decreases. Instead of hundreds, turners catch dozens. Thanks to this, gearboxes break down not in the conventional 10000 hours, but in 1500. Hello, constant repairs. So it is in conveyors.
            And planes will fall, sometimes along with people.
            So it all starts with the quality of the bolt, screw and nut!
        2. +1
          25 February 2024 13: 04
          Give normal salaries and this time will return.

          And this is what they, the defective managers, need, while we have state-legalized exploitation of workers, the more he has no rights and is not well-off financially, the more dependent he is on these “defective managers”...
          Why is our best weapon in the world so cheap, for this very reason, among other things, that the wages of workers are very low...
      3. +2
        24 February 2024 14: 51
        Quote: carpenter
        The time of the working man is gone, children want money, not work.
        And they do it right. It is because of such “job seekers” that they believe that a working person need not be paid.
    2. +17
      24 February 2024 08: 14
      Why should people want to go and work for pennies so that another thief can get another billion??

      I understand - for the sake of my country, but it no longer belongs to us.
      1. -21
        24 February 2024 09: 26
        Why doesn't our country belong to us? In your opinion, the Motherland is when everything is perfect in it, you get paid well and other goodies? The homeland is the place that you love, even if it is not ideal and, alas, capitalists are rampaging in it. Yes, it needs to be changed for the better, but not the other way around: become better, and then I will love you. And the difficulties that are written about here are not such as to cause panic. What is more difficult for an engineer now than for a Vologda peasant during the construction of St. Petersburg or for a soldier from the time of Nicholas I? By the way, in Soviet times, so respected, high salaries and free housing did not come immediately, and many had to work for a long time under miserable conditions for an idea.
        1. +11
          24 February 2024 09: 34
          Why doesn't our country belong to us? In your opinion, the Motherland is when everything is perfect in it, you get paid well and other goodies? The homeland is the place that you love, even if it is not ideal and, alas, capitalists are rampaging in it. Yes, it needs to be changed for the better, but not the other way around: become better, and then I will love you. And the difficulties that are written about here are not such as to cause panic. What is more difficult for an engineer now than for a Vologda peasant during the construction of St. Petersburg or for a soldier from the time of Nicholas I?

          Are you serious?.. Honestly....
          Let's go back to the time when out of 3 children born, 1 child survived! Is this your future?
          No thanks. Or maybe we’ll go back to the 8th century and compare it with it?.. then labor productivity will be great!
          Let me remind you that we have already flown into space, made tractors and seeders. And people like you dream that we will plow on horses and feed water by gravity through ditches.
          1. 0
            24 February 2024 18: 06
            You are talking nonsense. The USSR was the USSR precisely because people worked for an idea, and not for money, but now people work for money, and that’s why the result is like this. I don’t mean that engineers work for nothing, but think about it, what reason did Korolev have to do science after serving time?
            1. Alf
              +1
              24 February 2024 20: 00
              Quote from solist2424
              The USSR was the USSR precisely because people worked for an idea,

              Now what's the idea? Restraint? “The state doesn’t owe you anything”?
              1. 0
                25 February 2024 15: 26
                Yes, it’s still the same - the restoration of industry. Just as Mikulin made an aircraft engine in the 30s, so it is needed now.
            2. +1
              25 February 2024 17: 12
              Quote from solist2424
              The USSR was the USSR precisely because people worked for an idea, and not for money, but now people work for money, and that’s why the result is like this.

              The USSR collapsed precisely because people were tired of the idea of ​​working and wearing what they managed to snatch somewhere. People wanted a selection of goods like in the Kwelle catalogues, which they could look at endlessly, especially in the “women’s underpants” departments, and life is roughly similar to what they saw in Western films, for example, a good car and a seaside holiday wherever you want, all for a salary a normal person. In general, it would seem that it could be achieved, but the Politburo has been afraid of reforms since the 70s, they were stuck on ideology and were unable to think pragmatically. I have long understood the reason for the collapse of the USSR, this is the lack of will of the Politburo to allow small and medium-sized businesses and private property to some level, as Mao’s successor did in China. This would mean the rise of farming, the clothing and shoe industries, furniture, electrical appliances, electronics, everything that, from the mid-80s, became more and more in short supply and which made people very angry at that time. Since the 80s, brands could have developed that would have found access to the world market and today would be one of the sources of $ for the country. Don’t compare Soviet people of the 40s-60s with the next generation, 70s-90s, completely different mentalities and expectations from life, and in the 80s, injustice in terms of pay in relation to teachers, engineers, doctors and other important, complex professions was a big topic, but today Moreover, it is impossible to expect from people the motivation as under Stalin to create something in sharashkas for rations.
        2. -1
          24 February 2024 14: 15
          Quote from solist2424
          Why doesn't our country belong to us? In your opinion, the Motherland is when everything is perfect in it, you get paid well and other goodies? The homeland is the place that you love, even if it is not ideal and, alas, capitalists are rampaging in it. Yes, it needs to be changed for the better, but not the other way around: become better, and then I will love you. And the difficulties that are written about here are not such as to cause panic. What is more difficult for an engineer now than for a Vologda peasant during the construction of St. Petersburg or for a soldier from the time of Nicholas I? By the way, in Soviet times, so respected, high salaries and free housing did not come immediately, and many had to work for a long time under miserable conditions for an idea.

          To change it for the better, we need some kind of “levers of influence”, in the West these are fair elections, free media, freedom of entrepreneurship, various benefits for producers, lobbying, all this leads to public control over officials. People there have the opportunity to influence the policies of their state. In Russia, a gang of thieves and mediocrities settled in, suppressed and imprisoned all opposition, some were simply killed, free media does not exist in Russia, there can be no talk of any fair elections. Accordingly, there will be mediocrities and thieves in power, and no matter how hard you try locally, no matter how honest and great a specialist you become, the power of mediocrities and thieves will not disappear anywhere. You can't do anything about it. Look at any authoritarian country (Iran, North Korea, Belarus, Syria, Libya, African countries), which includes Russia, it is wretchedness, backwardness, the power of mediocrities.
          1. -6
            24 February 2024 17: 43
            I just want to ask: Have you lived in the West, or have you read about all this?
            People there have the opportunity to influence the policies of their state.
            It's funny. That’s why European farmers are now rearing up, probably from a good life or from an excess of influence.
            1. -2
              25 February 2024 02: 12
              It’s in vain that you are scattering beads, the post shows an impenetrable liberoid, a dull one at that, he is drowning for the West as if on assignment, at least he could revive his tongue somehow for a change.
              1. 0
                25 February 2024 15: 23
                Rather, you are plowing at TsIPSO.
                1. 0
                  25 February 2024 22: 10
                  Yeah, if I had known that you dumbass would have remained silent, after all, there are enchanting ones on the Internet, eat the fish, it has a lot of phosphorus and helps the brain.
                  1. 0
                    26 February 2024 20: 30
                    So keep silent, why promise in vain?
            2. +1
              25 February 2024 15: 34
              Quote from solist2424
              That’s why European farmers are now rearing up, probably from a good life or from an excess of influence.

              Try going on strike in Russia. You will immediately find yourself in the Northern Military District as a prisoner
              1. -1
                25 February 2024 22: 14
                What are you doing!? Why don’t they just put it against the wall? Well, you’re lucky if you knock on the keyboard, it leaks from the SVO, rejoice.
                1. 0
                  25 February 2024 22: 40
                  Quote: Buhach
                  What are you doing!? Why don’t they just put it against the wall? Well, you’re lucky if you knock on the keyboard, it leaks from the SVO, rejoice.

                  Aren't you ashamed? You seem to be a patriotic person, but you are fighting on the Internet, not at the front
                  1. 0
                    27 February 2024 04: 58
                    Before you shame yourself, look at yourself, you idiots don’t think, you idiots write, how do you know where I’m coming from? Maybe from a hospital bed or a wheelchair? I’m poking on purpose as a sign of disrespect for such characters, you empty-headed loudmouths have grown up like cockroaches, and it’s causing no less harm than from the Banderlogs, and don’t touch my attitude towards the Motherland, it’s none of your business. Well, if you are a Banderlog, then you won’t have a clue.
                    1. 0
                      27 February 2024 08: 41
                      Quote: Buhach
                      Before you shame yourself, look at yourself, idiots don’t think, idiots write, how do you know where I’m coming from? Maybe from a hospital bed or a wheelchair?

                      I'm sorry. I believe that you were wounded on the Kolchak fronts. I'm right?
              2. 0
                26 February 2024 20: 31
                Why are you comparing “backward” Russia and “advanced” European countries?
            3. -1
              25 February 2024 17: 40
              Quote from solist2424
              That’s why European farmers are now rearing up, probably from a good life or from an excess of influence.

              Farmers in Germany, as well as other EU countries, go out to protests every year because they can put pressure on them, they have not only tractors, but also a lobby in power and the police cannot disperse them. Locomotive drivers or pilots also like to use their position when their unions call for strikes. None of them belong to the needy population group. In general, German farmers are among the richest in the world and, in general, have had 100% of their profits in recent years compared to previous years, but they are paying in full for subsidies from the state, which only wanted to improve it by a couple of percent. Of course, small farms do not keep up with large ones, sometimes they do not fit into the market and groan, but they are far from poor. These protests are being blown out of proportion by far-right and left-wing forces more than they matter. What are you actually arguing with? Even the example of farmers in Europe shows the difference, have you seen many protests by farmers in Russia? Or do they have everything in order and have no complaints about the authorities? Justice independent of the authorities and security forces is the basis for the birth of something complex and stable, and the power with which you can at least ask for elections every 4 years. What effective alternatives are there?
  16. +4
    24 February 2024 07: 13
    Are we going to fly on something other than balloons, or is it time to start preparing?

    Not in a bar, let's ride on a train. Chug-chug-chug...
    1. Alf
      +2
      24 February 2024 20: 02
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Let's ride on a train.

      Are there any trains where, on what, and to whom to make them?
      1. 0
        24 February 2024 22: 49
        Quote: Alf
        Are there any trains where, on what, and to whom to make them?

        The depot is still open.
        1. Alf
          -1
          24 February 2024 23: 11
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          The depot is still open.

          That's it, "for now". But the depot is a renovation, and where can we get new locomotives?
          1. 0
            24 February 2024 23: 14
            Quote: Alf
            where can I get new locomotives?

            Kolomna diesel engines also seem to breathe.
            1. Alf
              -1
              24 February 2024 23: 15
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Kolomna diesel engines also seem to breathe.

              Apparently, no one has yet taken a fancy to the land for development.
  17. +9
    24 February 2024 07: 38
    Remember what Poghosyan got burned for? How he praised his Superjet that it was the best in the world, the cheapest and most reliable, just like the Su fighter.
    Of course we remember. And for his “Superjet” (which in fact is “Superbudget”) he should not run MAI, but cut down the forest. He is also trying to saw at the Moscow Aviation Institute, but this time on Moscow soil, there is no time for airplanes.
  18. +23
    24 February 2024 08: 04
    Under the USSR, the entire aircraft industry, 100%, from the last bolt and resistor to the finished instruments, was completely its own.
    And then the adherents of the “cheaper to buy than to make it yourself” sect seized power.
    Well, how did it turn out to be cheaper for those who love to defend the power that led to this?
    A stingy man pays twice, but a sucker always pays.
    Some people in power turned out to be not just a sucker - but an enchanting, fabulous loser!
    1. +10
      24 February 2024 09: 12
      Quote: Alt22
      And then the adherents of the sect seized power"cheaper to buy than to make yourself". Well, how did it turn out to be cheaper, those who love to defend the power that led to this?

      But in reality, they bought the cheapest things and ended up with a situation that they had forgotten how to do themselves, and there was no one to teach them. In addition, the country lags behind in the presence of robots and automatic machines in production.
      More or less advanced technologies, I assume there are hundreds!!! automatic machines for 10 workers, but in Russia there aren’t enough of them even for tens of 000 workers...
      Hence the indicators: they made a few pieces a year, but began to make fifty... Immediately there was a report: “We have increased production tenfold!!!”
    2. +3
      24 February 2024 17: 44
      Quote: Alt22
      Some people in power turned out to be not just a sucker - but an enchanting, fabulous loser!

      Yes, not just some people there, but everyone there is so enchanting.
  19. +5
    24 February 2024 08: 10
    Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
    Hold out for 5-6 years and purchase Chinese civil aircraft.

    China has the same problems, even more foreign components, which they also want to get rid of, for now this is only a desire. But I don’t have much experience in aircraft manufacturing.
    1. +9
      24 February 2024 09: 00
      China has the same problems, even more foreign components, which they also want to get rid of, for now this is only a desire. But I don’t have much experience in aircraft manufacturing.

      China has 1000 times more scientists and 100 times more production. And they did their best to copy everything.
      So what can China do? I'm not worried about them!
      1. +1
        24 February 2024 09: 40
        At times, when a feeling of hopelessness comes over what is happening, a seditious thought comes to mind - maybe it would be better to give all Soviet developments to China? At least someone will be able to use them for good.. Our bourgeois will fucking ruin everything, and with the Soviet legacy the Chinese will have a chance to save the planet and ruin the West..
        1. +3
          24 February 2024 09: 58
          ruin the West...
          Taking his place. Are you sure you'll like it?
          1. -1
            24 February 2024 10: 01
            You might think that there is a choice... If we don’t throw off our bourgeoisies in the near future, all that remains is to lean either to the West or to China... And here - China is better in every way. We already clearly know what the West is. This is our death, not this way or that way.
            1. +9
              24 February 2024 10: 38
              If we do not throw off our bourgeoisie in the near future, all we can do is lean either to the West or to China... And here - China is better in every way.

              Why is China better?
              Understand that China is interested in us either as aborigines extracting and selling their resources for next to nothing, or as a territory without people. They have enough people of their own.
            2. +1
              25 February 2024 18: 19
              Quote: paul3390
              And here - China is better in every way

              Until now, everything has come to Russia for its development from the West, starting from Peter the Great, to Putin himself. Stalin invited all Western industry to the USSR; Ford alone participated in about 1 projects. That is, Russia has extensive experience in cooperation with the West, as a part of the West in general. So far, nothing useful has come from China other than Mavics to Russia, but from Europe, except $, there have been machine tools, cars, motors and a bunch of other things. Today, if you look at resources, then what Russia would like to get rid of China does not need. If the Russian Federation supplied 800 billion cubic meters of gas per year to Europe, China, even in the future, does not need more than 300, since the north of China is not really a place where a lot of gas is needed, and the south is full of other suppliers, including oil. Look at the Russian Federation’s export-import figures to Europe until 30 and compare them with China; in my opinion, it is obvious that China cannot replace the West even by 2022/1. And in China, things may change dramatically not in the Kremlin’s favor. Xi has big economic problems, the Chinese Politburo may decide that we are tired of the path of confrontation with the West, we are now for the West. And then what should the Russian Federation do? Regardless of my or your attitude towards the West, there is no difference, for us, Russia, China is incomprehensible, it is a completely different world, Russians will never live like the Chinese or other Asians and expect that China will in the future overwhelm Russia with everything that is more This utopia does not come from the West; China itself is in the role of catching up in many industries and depends on the West. Over the centuries, Russia has been formed as a European Christian state, at least since Peter the 10st. To butt heads with the West, you have to be a self-sufficient country like Switzerland, where they still manage to do everything themselves, despite the salaries and, of course, everything they do is in super duper quality and, accordingly, at a price.
        2. +7
          24 February 2024 10: 00
          At times, when a feeling of hopelessness comes over what is happening, a seditious thought comes to mind - maybe it would be better to give all Soviet developments to China?

          China no longer needs Soviet things. They have already received everything that was of interest to them.
          Yes, and we need to think not about how other countries will live and live now, but what is needed for our state. It is the interests of our citizens that must prevail in every decision!
          1. +8
            24 February 2024 10: 03
            It is the interests of our citizens that must prevail in every decision!

            Under the current government, this is basically impossible.. And we may not have time to return the Soviet Union.. Too much has been lost..
          2. Alf
            +1
            24 February 2024 20: 06
            Quote: Sergey_Bely
            It is the interests of our citizens that must prevail in every decision!

            And for some reason the list of “citizens” coincides with the list of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs...
            1. +1
              25 February 2024 14: 07
              list of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs

              Until this list is put up against the wall and we return to the early times of the USSR, there will be no rise in Russia, another 6 years will be the same as the past 30, no prospects. But he will say that they produced “galoshes”, despite the fact that the country lives on the Soviet legacy...
  20. +9
    24 February 2024 09: 04
    It’s not a matter of hardware, as the article correctly says, but of people, specialists, who do not exist and will not exist. We have yet to realize in the future the full severity of the consequences awaiting us. And all these “Chemezovs”... I don’t envy those who will come after Putin’s command to clean out the Augean stables. Wherever you throw yourself, there is trouble, failure, a swamp.
    1. 0
      25 February 2024 14: 18
      and in people, specialists,

      That’s why the West, with the help of its proteges, reformatted people when the working man became nothing, a cheap slave of force, while elevating various crooks with their mouths, goat-eaters, bureaucrats, and athletes to the rank of “elite.” To eliminate specialists, vocational schools were destroyed, the training of engineering specialists in universities was reduced...
  21. +11
    24 February 2024 09: 05
    If someone thinks that those people who ruined their aircraft industry and forcibly smuggled foreign planes into Russia are able to reverse this process and organize the production of their own civil aviation equipment, he is either very naive or an enemy of the people.

    This corrupt gang must be driven out of the aircraft industry and all related industries with a filthy broom. Without this step nothing will work.
    1. +9
      24 February 2024 09: 44
      who will drive it? they won't kick themselves out....
  22. +15
    24 February 2024 09: 27
    Who does the plant need? Yes, all working professions! And pay attention to this cry of despair from personnel officers: they are ready to pay for every specialist brought in.


    I went to the plant's website. 7 vacancies with salaries of 20, 25, 28 thousand rubles...
    All these business cries about the lack of personnel are simply a desire to return “Russia, which we lost” in 1861, when serfdom was abolished.
    In my city, before the SVO, several European factories operated. They differed from ours in their strict adherence to the Labor Code, healthier relations in the workforce, especially in the first years, while the management consisted of foreigners, the presence of an independent trade union and large payments upon dismissal due to reduction (they paid 6-8 salaries).
    1. +2
      24 February 2024 09: 53
      7 vacancies with salaries of 20, 25, 28 thousand rubles
      - Is it possible to live in Voronezh with this money with your family and children?
    2. +5
      24 February 2024 11: 11
      The most interesting thing is that this salary is so-called “dirty”, it will be in hand after minus 13% tax.
  23. 0
    24 February 2024 09: 34
    We fell for Western junk in the 90s, this is how it comes out now! And for the young people it is, IT specialists, bloggers and other fashionable riffraff, this is what they become and want to be as they grow up! I'm afraid we won't survive another war with the next generations.
    1. +8
      24 February 2024 10: 00
      IT specialists, bloggers and other fashionable riffraff
      Bloggers, yes, but IT specialists are not riffraff. Without them, now any machine is a piece of iron.
      1. Alf
        +1
        24 February 2024 20: 08
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        IT people are not riffraff. Without them, now any machine is a piece of iron.

        It’s just that there is a difference between IT specialist and IT specialist. I had one of these at my factory, I asked him to reinstall 7 on my laptop, and he even installed it crookedly.
  24. +12
    24 February 2024 09: 41
    The main conclusion is clear as day. The system of oligarchic capitalism with a rotten, corrupt vertical of power, air carriers who do whatever they want is the main problem. We do not have an effective system of political governance and economy, that’s all. And it needs to be changed. We are floating in a rotten, leaky boat, simultaneously bailing out water and trying to row, hence the result.
    1. +10
      24 February 2024 10: 04
      We do not have an effective system of political governance and economy, that’s all.

      We have a murderous system in Russia. How many settlements (villages) have disappeared from the country's map over the past 20 years? And how many enterprises are closed, demolished and replaced by human settlements, apartments in which former factory workers cannot afford?!
  25. +11
    24 February 2024 09: 47
    Who is to blame? It’s clear who...Self-nominee and company..
    1. +1
      24 February 2024 17: 56
      You don’t have to put the blame on yourself either. After all, in fact, our inaction allows them to create all these obscenities.
      1. Alf
        +2
        24 February 2024 20: 09
        Quote: VasAndr
        After all, in fact, our inaction allows them to create all these obscenities.

        And what can you do now to prevent lawlessness?
  26. +6
    24 February 2024 10: 03
    Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
    Sarcasm.
    Hold out for 5-6 years and purchase Chinese civil aircraft. bully

    The Chinese will not be able to sell us planes; they have American engines and equipment.
  27. +3
    24 February 2024 10: 37
    Holy shit, sorry, the salaries are VASO. My plumber earned so much in three days.
    1. +3
      24 February 2024 12: 53
      Ordinary positions at VASO 30-40 thousand per month. You can still somehow survive on 40 thousand in Voronezh, but on 30... It’s tough, of course, but this plant makes the Il-96 for our hands...
  28. -4
    24 February 2024 10: 53
    Each aircraft has its own reasons, in addition to the general ones:
    MS-21 has been under sanctions since 2018, otherwise it would already be flying with all its might.
    Superjet - more than 200 aircraft have been built, 90% on the wing, they fly and carry tons of people not only on short-haul, but also on medium-haul routes. Now import substitution, you can’t do that in a week.
    Tu-214. A bit old, 3 crew members. But on the other hand, the efficiency is like that of the A320, the range is up to 6500 km, the PS-90 engines have been brought up to standard, and it is not expensive. Of course, the Kazan plant will mass produce, but it will take time.
    IL-96. We need to do it, even 2 pieces per year, but in the 400M version.
    IL-114. Yes, there's a problem here. Engine. Only he is not weak. 2x2200 hp is quite enough. It is structurally and ideologically incorrect. Maybe a light version of 2x2000 for Ladoga will still be developed, otherwise Ladoga will hang. And here's the problem. If IL-114 doesn’t happen, it won’t be such a big deal. Superjet is nearby. But there is nothing to replace Ladoga. And it itself replaces three An-24, Yak-40 and An-72 at once.
    In general, no country in the world except us can build the entire civilian line alone. Even the striped nerds. Their regions come from Canadians and Brazilians. The work that is being done now is unprecedented, and there is no need to dance around with pessimistic tambourine
    1. Alf
      +3
      24 February 2024 20: 11
      Quote: Glagol1
      In general, no country in the world except us can build the entire civilian line alone.

      One country produced all this, but it was called uneconomical.
  29. +6
    24 February 2024 11: 02
    In February 2019, the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, announced that the launch date for mass production of the MS-21 had been shifted to the end of 2020. In January 2022, Chemezov again announced that the launch date for the series was being shifted again - already to 2024.

    Does he have time to deal with government affairs? Let's see:
    https://declarator.org/person/16263/
    1. +1
      1 March 2024 17: 36
      Yesterday this Chemezov said that the launch dates for mass production of the MS-21 and the superjet were once again being pushed back to 2025-26. What else could you expect from him?
  30. +4
    24 February 2024 11: 04
    the system that Putin built over 25 years is not viable on its own....only with the addition of technology from the outside. it's sad but true. our president deliberately loudly voices ambitious plans, trying with enchanting slogans, like a whip, to spur on the decrepit horse of the Russian economy. as a politician, he is doing the right thing....but as a person he is absolutely out of touch with the issue of the technological development of the country.....and with the military. and you end up with shameful blunders... like 100 thousand. new high-tech jobs, a proposal from Russia to become trendsetters in the automotive industry.... proposals to Ukrainian military personnel to give up and go over to the side of Russia, at the beginning of their.
    having concentrated enormous power in his hands, governing the country manually, he will now have to calculate the technological chains of the country's development himself....learn this. the pieces of paper that trustworthy people slip to him for voicing do not work in a real situation. negative selection of performers in all its glory.....or allow ruff, specialized specialists with their own opinions to govern the country.
    otherwise, we will face a collapse in the development of new technologies in the country.
    1. Alf
      +2
      24 February 2024 20: 18
      Quote from moneron
      As a politician, he is doing the right thing.

      What exactly is he doing right? Does it shake the air?
      Quote from moneron
      but as a person I am absolutely not in the know about the issue of technological development of the country.....what about the military.

      What prevents you from choosing a professional?
  31. +4
    24 February 2024 11: 09
    Who is guilty? Well, at least those whom the GDP instructed to raise industry. It's a circus. This can only happen in Russia. For decades, everything was destroyed in the interests of Western companies, and after 24.02.24/XNUMX/XNUMX they will miraculously begin to work in the opposite direction? wassat
  32. +4
    24 February 2024 11: 32
    There will be no engines along the way! Temporary workers from the UAC know that there is no need to answer for the market and after us there may be a flood! Who will ask them in 2030 where there are 600 aircraft?
  33. +9
    24 February 2024 11: 34
    Until there is a Ministry of Aviation Industry headed by a professional aircraft manufacturer (it’s good if there are still some left), all the fluttering is useless... It’s a shame, but the cause of the Dvorkovichs, Christians, Pogosyans, Manturovs and similar managers wins
    1. +1
      24 February 2024 18: 05
      Quote: paul3390
      There is no need for illusions - only Soviet power can get us out of this shit...

      That says it all. All dreams and hopes within the existing system are useless.
  34. -3
    24 February 2024 11: 43
    It’s clear that he won’t make 600 planes! Who are they telling fairy tales to? Well, one country cannot produce everything itself!
    1. Alf
      +2
      24 February 2024 20: 20
      Quote: Rand-76
      Well, one country cannot produce everything itself!

      There was such a country, “one sixth of the land” they called it. Only one foreigner flew the L410.
  35. +8
    24 February 2024 11: 53
    Aviation is good. But it seems to me that we need to start from the beginning and comprehensively, and not in a piecewise, discontinuous way, namely with the education system and UPBRINGING. Only the aviation industry cannot be restored; there is fundamental academic science, materials science, technology, production, the basis of all vocational education. By destroying, first of all,
    the primary system, vocational education and the USSR Academy of Sciences, our enemies knew exactly what they were doing and what the consequences would be. In our country, as usual, the performers received positions for this and were protected from any responsibility.
    The boyars are bad - the king is good, in our case he does not “play”. He personally surrounded himself with managers and lawyers, personally approving, handing out positions with inadequate incomes, titles and privileges, where there was not a single specialist with a specialized engineering education, a representative of the design and academic environment, etc. A semi-feudal inherited class society was created, by law divided by the abyss of moral worldview, environment and living conditions. Some, with permissiveness and complete irresponsibility, are “ascended to Olympus,” the top of the notorious vertical, not thanks to any moral or business qualities, personal achievements of any kind, but by chance, nepotism and personal devotion, where loyalty is achieved by “pouring” dough . Hence the arrogant and hypocritical policy, banal lies and complete mediocrity, with complete irresponsibility, the personnel policy of “we don’t abandon our own and don’t forget” bears fruit. Many of them studied and prepared, absorbing the corresponding moral and business principles in Yale, Oxford and other studies as officials of the colonial administration, for one unitary goal, namely, making a profit from these territories at minimal costs. Capitalism, etc. feudal thieves, this is not about the development and prosperity of the country, but about income, making a profit and about loot. Hence the imitator state, with the maximum self-removal of the state from all spheres of life, an imitation of democratic institutions where deputies with millions in income do not represent anyone, live according to the laws written by themselves for their loved ones, where parallel bodies and structures have been created to allocate the budget for their loved ones children and various kinds of kept women, with complete lack of initiative and impotence of the bureaucracy, where citizens and people are maximally removed from any influence on government and life decisions, through a ban on public events and, in fact, the destruction of the right to vote.
    Of course, I am not a specialist or an analyst, just an ordinary citizen of my country who managed to receive a normal education, which allows me to think at least somehow logically, express my opinion, without claiming to be the ultimate truth. This allows us to conclude that without a radical change in the socio-political formation in the country, without changing and nationalizing the elites, without eliminating the system of external colonial administration organizations, we will not be successful in achieving true sovereignty, as history shows. Especially in the banking sector (for the life of me, I don’t understand why we need a Central Bank if we have a BR and why the “wallet” of the country does not belong to the owner (government), tying his hands, returning the Academy of Sciences to the status of a ministry with a decisive vote in making strategic decisions (after appropriate cleaning from various kinds of grant-eaters and mediocre careerists), a radical change in personnel policy. Therefore, I consider any talk about an adequate revival of aviation and comprehensive progress, without creating and cultivating creative individuals, just the wishes of ordinary people, and even taking into account the imitation policy, the vigorous activity of the “gifted” With such a demographic policy, with the replacement of the indigenous population by migrants, no “Sirius” without a comprehensive change in education and upbringing, a real social and social formation, the prospects for progress not only in aviation, but also in our civilization are very sad.
    1. +4
      24 February 2024 22: 43
      There is nothing like this anywhere in the world! The ruling class in Russia has privatized public institutions and natural resources to their advantage! These bastards will not just give up power and wealth!
    2. 0
      25 February 2024 14: 40
      ultimate truth

      Everything you wrote, in my opinion, is correct and TRUE...
  36. +2
    24 February 2024 11: 58
    It is not possible to organize mass production of PD-14 engines! The task is unsolvable...
  37. +1
    24 February 2024 12: 23
    as long as the attitude of the upper classes towards the workers remains as cattle, then the workers don’t care whether something is there or not, the author is oppressing the wrong way, trying to call the lower classes to conscience, turning a blind eye to the outrageousness of the leadership
  38. +2
    24 February 2024 13: 13
    Ho-ho-ho! The author, you are, go easy on Rostec. They wanted to go to the bunk for discrediting? This is all right, the zones have not all collapsed. The sanctions did not affect the number of available beds in places not so remote. Take care of yourself.
  39. 0
    24 February 2024 14: 01
    Quote: Glagol1
    Each aircraft has its own reasons, in addition to the general ones:
    MS-21 has been under sanctions since 2018, otherwise it would already be flying with all its might.
    Superjet - more than 200 aircraft have been built, 90% on the wing, they fly and carry tons of people not only on short-haul, but also on medium-haul routes. Now import substitution, you can’t do that in a week.
    Tu-214. A bit old, 3 crew members. But on the other hand, the efficiency is like that of the A320, the range is up to 6500 km, the PS-90 engines have been brought up to standard, and it is not expensive. Of course, the Kazan plant will mass produce, but it will take time.
    IL-96. We need to do it, even 2 pieces per year, but in the 400M version.
    IL-114. Yes, there's a problem here. Engine. Only he is not weak. 2x2200 hp is quite enough. It is structurally and ideologically incorrect. Maybe a light version of 2x2000 for Ladoga will still be developed, otherwise Ladoga will hang. And here's the problem. If IL-114 doesn’t happen, it won’t be such a big deal. Superjet is nearby. But there is nothing to replace Ladoga. And it itself replaces three An-24, Yak-40 and An-72 at once.
    In general, no country in the world except us can build the entire civilian line alone. Even the striped nerds. Their regions come from Canadians and Brazilians. The work that is being done now is unprecedented, and there is no need to dance around with pessimistic tambourine

    Ladoga is smaller than the Il-114, it can and will be equipped with a non-boosted engine.
  40. +3
    24 February 2024 14: 47
    Everything is a little worse than you write. It is necessary to sum up not only PD-8 and PD-14! PS-90 is also produced at the Perm Motor Plant! And they also produce the D-30 there - and this is, in fact, the entire IL-76 fleet! And basically, due to the large number of transport aircraft flying in the Northern Military District, the plant is busy with the overhaul of the D-30, and not with the production of new engines. So, until the end of the SVO (and for some time after), don’t even dream of mass production of engines for civil aviation - priority will be given to military aviation. And if there are no engines, then there are no airplanes!
    1. +1
      25 February 2024 08: 06
      Quote: JenekAghtungS4
      It is necessary to sum up not only PD-8 and PD-14!

      PD-8 is assembled in Rybinsk.

      Quote: JenekAghtungS4
      And they also produce the D-30 there - and this is, in fact, the entire IL-76 fleet!

      The D-30KP was also assembled in Rybinsk, they and 123 ARZ are engaged in repairs.

      Quote: JenekAghtungS4
      And mainly, due to the large number of transport aircraft flying in the Northern Military District, the plant is busy with the overhaul of the D-30, and not with the production of new engines.

      The Perm plant is busy assembling and repairing PD-14, that's 4-5 units a year, producing PS-90A, repairing D-30F6 for MiG-31, repairing D-30 ser. 3 for Tu-134.
  41. +9
    24 February 2024 14: 56
    “And there is only one way here - to restore the lost Soviet aircraft industry, there are simply no other options and now there are unlikely to be any at all, these are the options.”

    It is right.

    But it is necessary to voice the names and clans of those who, for decades, methodically destroyed it (the domestic aircraft industry).
    Yeltsin's relatives were furious at Aeroflot back then.
    On pain of death, these nonhumans prohibited the purchase of domestic aircraft, killed entire industries and deprived thousands of qualified specialists of their jobs!

    And then, during the period of import substitution, the purchasing committee distinguished itself with truly Jesuitical bestiality!
    They reported to Putin about another breakthrough.

    Think about it, this committee reported to Putin that more than 100 Boeings and Barsiks were purchased under the import substitution program!
    And this report was approved!
    This is not a traveling circus, this is a theater of the absurd.

    For reference, in 1982, the USSR produced more than 542 civil aircraft.
    This number does not include small aircraft (AN2) and military aircraft.

    In modern Russia, in the best year they produced only 16 partially Russian aircraft!

    But ethnic noviops scream from the screens that in the USSR they could only make galoshes.
    1. 0
      24 February 2024 18: 10
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      it is necessary to voice the names and clans of those who, for decades, methodically destroyed it (the domestic aircraft industry).

      Just voice it? Can I ask as strictly as possible?
  42. +2
    24 February 2024 15: 10
    Thank you for the article. Better the bitter truth than a sweet lie.

    I hope the administration will not delete the article this time.
    1. +3
      24 February 2024 19: 13
      “I hope the administration won’t delete the article this time.” You’re funny, the buffoon is the administration)))
  43. +2
    24 February 2024 15: 14
    How many blunders does the author have...
    1. The first Tu 214 took off in 1996.
    2. An airplane with tail number RA 64518, with Tu 214/UAC livery, this is Tu 214, and not a restored Tu 204 as the author claims.
    3. What kind of mythical VASO employees are at the Kazan aircraft plant? Nonsense.
    1. Aag
      0
      25 February 2024 14: 20
      Quote: Eugene_4
      How many blunders does the author have...
      1. The first Tu 214 took off in 1996.
      2. An airplane with tail number RA 64518, with Tu 214/UAC livery, this is Tu 214, and not a restored Tu 204 as the author claims.
      3. What kind of mythical VASO employees are at the Kazan aircraft plant? Nonsense.

      Does this change the essence of everything stated above?
      That is, by the 30th year the planes will be produced?
  44. +3
    24 February 2024 16: 07
    Well, why not promise, either the padishah will die or the donkey will die.
  45. +5
    24 February 2024 16: 17
    Quote: ramzay21
    Thanks to the author for the article and to the VO editors for their courage and civic position. Now not everyone will dare to tell the truth about Chemezov’s gang.
    The author is absolutely right: planes are not built on command and even according to wishes from the Kremlin, and even with the help of a lot of money...
    Here you are wrong, this is exactly what happened in the USSR. The government set a task for the heads of aviation design bureaus - they needed such and such a passenger or combat aircraft, set deadlines, allocated money, and the task was solved, the system worked, and ours, that is, the Soviet aviation industry, was in second place after the United States in terms of the number of aircraft produced per year, or even on the first one, let them correct me. I won’t talk about “now” - the author described the situation correctly, I would really say it even more sharply. sad
    1. -1
      24 February 2024 19: 15
      The problem of the Soviet civil aircraft industry showed itself after the collapse of the union - unfortunately, in terms of efficiency and noise, we were inferior to our competitors
    2. Alf
      +2
      24 February 2024 20: 22
      Quote: Radikal
      The government set the task for the heads of aviation design bureaus

      AND ASKED the manager.
  46. fiv
    +4
    24 February 2024 16: 19
    Who is to blame is a whole article. Those who even slightly know how to listen, look and think, already know this and will tell you if you wake them up at night. But at the beginning of the article there was another question - what to do? But there are no answers to it here. It's a pity, I read only for THESE answers. Lost time.
  47. +4
    24 February 2024 16: 34
    I would like to know who will be the first to throw a stone at the author and where this critic gets his legs from. It is also very interesting why what is stated in the article is seen by everyone except those in power. I remember Manturov flew IP Bombardier to Canada to court... The fun, it seems, continues. For what?
  48. +3
    24 February 2024 18: 18
    We need a real leader of the country, plus a Duma talking shop under the knife. Putin is very
    good in calm times, but as a protege of capitalism, it is not capable of real development. Liberal. Will not agree to tighten laws. And it is needed in all areas, from the Criminal Code and the Constitution to business and migration policies. The chief judge died, thank God, (at least these will leave the country) who sat there for 30 years, who laughed at requests to introduce the death penalty for particularly serious crimes.
  49. +5
    24 February 2024 18: 55
    Scientific, technological, engineering and design schools, a system of vocational technical secondary and higher education for the training of qualified specialists, were created in the USSR BY DECADES OF HARD WORK OF THE WHOLE COUNTRY. And, this entire industry, the entire infrastructure for providing and servicing knowledge-intensive and high-tech production, during the 90s and 2000s, was simply destroyed by the existing regime of domination of private property by the financial and commercial oligarchy in Russia. And you can write about it as much as you want, which is what your site does, but for a new RECONSTITUTION of modern industrial production and its support and maintenance infrastructure, a real social revolution is needed, changing, first of all, the legal relations of existing forms of ownership and the state. It is not enough to find and train specialists; it is necessary for them to become REAL OWNERS of collective production, engineering and infrastructure business corporations. So that they not only work, but also, like the real masters of the country, tear up, like a “tuzik hot water bottle”, ALL ENEMIES OF SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OF RUSSIA! And this is possible only when educated and qualified specialists not only manage and dispose of the means of production and infrastructure, but also OWN them. I repeat once again, between what WAS destroyed and what SHOULD BE is an abyss that can only be jumped over by the WHOLE SOCIETY, economically, politically destroying, in the process, ALL predators, parasites and swindlers, who are heavy ballast for the country.

    PS What they fought for is what they fought for!
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  51. +1
    24 February 2024 20: 25
    "It's very simple"... ("Time Machine")
    Task number one is to re-elect the indelible. Too much has not yet been completed in the country. This goal justifies any means to achieve it. And, well, to hang noodles on one’s ears...
  52. +2
    24 February 2024 21: 02
    Quote: koramax81
    The problem of the Soviet civil aircraft industry showed itself after the collapse of the union - unfortunately, in terms of efficiency and noise, we were inferior to our competitors

    Cost-effectiveness, we can agree with this, but tales about noise were invented by Western aviation companies as part of the competition with the Soviet aviation industry, and they also dragged the environment into it. sad
    1. fiv
      +4
      24 February 2024 21: 46
      Now, in order to participate in bidding for a government contract, you need to show what share of electricity you consumed from RENEWABLE energy sources - these are hydroelectric power stations, wind, sun, tides, geothermal. And other similar conditions. That is, the role of competence in the production of products in winning is reduced and loopholes are created. How are we going to revive something if we put Western spokes in our own wheels in the context of confrontation with the West?
  53. 0
    25 February 2024 07: 04
    Stills... Stills again!
    Yes
    1. +1
      25 February 2024 07: 12
      Stills... Stills again!
      Who, gentlemen, production workers, is stopping you from participating in personnel training?!!!
      Why the hell should state authorities provide personnel?
      Even in Soviet times, this was abandoned and all vocational schools and even some technical schools were attached to factories, but at the expense of the state.
  54. +1
    25 February 2024 08: 37
    Well, what can I say, the authorities are waiting for Chinese planes to replace them. What we have now depends on one thing - avionics (since the entire radio engineering industry of the USSR was destroyed, and the radio engineering industry of the Russian Federation practically does not exist even in its infancy), all that remains is to rivet single aircraft with 3-5 crew members, which, under capitalism, will be used by carriers there won't be any. Next is the epic with the engines, here they are trying to do at least something, but at such a snail’s pace that we can’t expect major series until the 50s, and after that they will simply be irrelevant.
    Those. There are simply no prospects for the revival of domestic aviation against the background of the above situation in the industries
  55. +2
    26 February 2024 04: 50
    in the country managers are produced by managers, so there are no qualified engineers or qualified workers, and there is no one to train them in the required quantity now. If the oil and gas industry took care of this in time, then the rest had no time for it - they survived and are now mostly surviving
  56. 0
    26 February 2024 10: 17
    But there is doubt that they (the planes) will not be built.
    These would be your words, but in God’s ears))
  57. 0
    26 February 2024 10: 17
    But there is doubt that they (the planes) will not be built.
    These would be your words, but in God’s ears))
  58. -1
    26 February 2024 15: 48
    Iran is still flying. Many planes have already been purchased
  59. 0
    27 February 2024 05: 30
    One continuous whining and practically zero constructiveness, what ordinary workers lack, we know this without you, the “smart guy” revealed the “open secret”. Ps. Why can’t I dislike the article?
  60. aba
    +2
    27 February 2024 12: 01
    Boeing and Airbus did not destroy the Soviet aircraft industry so that it could later be revived. Of course, they didn’t destroy it themselves, but by simply paying whoever needed it. And they did a great job. They won’t restore it, this is contrary to the spirit of the “Western partners.” But for a little over 30 years they were “probable opponents”
  61. +1
    27 February 2024 16: 51
    Stupid and stinking story at the Singapore Air Show. Russians and Chinese were not allowed on board the A-400. They are jealous of our successes. How did the A-400 itself appear!? There was such a super plane An-70, a Soviet masterpiece, in the early 90s Airbus people bought technical documentation for it with bribes, and work on the A-400 began to boil. It turned out much worse than the An-70, but the free world itself ordered it. And the An-70 fell victim to Russian-Ukrainian relations. We switched to the Il-76-90, but the dancers simply went to zero. And now, 30 years later, Russians are not allowed into the A-400. Tough!
  62. exo
    0
    27 February 2024 19: 09
    And all these fairy tales about parallel imports - they will remain fairy tales, because Boeing and Airbus are not fools. And it’s not so easy to organize the supply of necessary spare parts through intermediaries, especially if the manufacturer monitors every screw.

    Parallel import works. Yes, you have to wait longer than usual for spare parts. Repairs landing gear and engines for Boeing 737 and A-319/320 families
    Or does anyone seriously believe that today’s technicians, who have never seen anything except Boeing and Airbus, will one day master the Il-96?

    It is impossible to study any type of aircraft at one moment. But, taking into account the fact that there are many people left who know what TU-204/214 and IL-96 are, and who simply had time to work on Soviet machines, there will be no big problems.
    Simply, servicing these types is much more labor-intensive. There's no arguing with that.
  63. 0
    1 March 2024 11: 58
    Thanks to the dear party for our “happy future”.
  64. 0
    1 March 2024 17: 08
    [quoteAnd UAC and Rostec don’t have much time. No, of course, if justifications for disrupting another program have already been invented today, as was the case with “import substitution,” then there are no questions here.][/quote]
    Who would doubt it, they have already come up with excuses and again postponed the certification and production of Superjet NEW and MC-21 aircraft to 2025-26. And time has passed for UAC and Rostec to have a wagon and a small cart again. It seems that as long as Putin, with whose knowledge these monstrous structures were formed and their leaders were appointed, is in power, nothing will change. He will continue to give them carte blanche, allocate them huge amounts of money from the budget and listen to their regular empty promises and non-binding reports. But our planes are not there and will not be with this approach to the leadership and management of the country. In Russia, with its system of vertical power, where the president has it almost absolute and without his control, knowledge and decisions, nothing constructive and positive can happen by itself. And in order for these decisions, plans, programs, decrees to be carried out strictly and on time, constant monitoring and strict control over the progress of their implementation is necessary on his part. The president must not only sign a decree, a program, give instructions, allocate money for their implementation, but literally receive reports from responsible persons on a weekly basis and monitor the progress of their implementation. As Stalin did in his time. Only then will our state mechanism move in the right direction, and people will begin to really work, solve problems and not serve their number. Nowadays, in conditions of almost complete irresponsibility, lack of proper control on the part of the president, his inadequate personnel policy, the state machine is not working effectively. It is clear that constantly monitoring, delving into the progress of work, making timely organizational conclusions, installing people capable of coping with the tasks assigned to them in key positions is hard, routine work, but our president needs to do it so that our state machine turns as it should. Judging by what is happening in our aircraft industry, shipbuilding, microelectronics in other industries and in the economy as a whole, our president does not have the necessary attitude towards his work. He is probably bored and not interested in doing all this or is already tired. Of course, talking beautifully and a lot, hosting parades, getting into a submarine and flying a bomber, signing the correct decrees, laws, regulations is also important, but it is much more important that these decrees, decisions, plans, tasks facing the country are carried out strictly on time. And so it turns out that his proteges Mantur, Chemezov and his company have once again failed the case, again missed all reasonable deadlines for launching production of aircraft vital for the state, and again nothing will happen to them. And when the country has nothing to fly on, these figures will wash their hands and flee abroad like Chubais. We must not allow chaos in Russia again, we all know how this could end.
  65. 0
    2 March 2024 06: 20
    "When will Russia finally land?"
    And so, where - "below the plinth"....
    "- Born to crawl,
    Can't FLY"....
    Have you forgotten who is in “power”? They are only used to crawling at the feet of the Americans.
  66. 0
    2 March 2024 19: 11
    Trolleybuses from half a century ago still travel around the regions with a half-meter layer of putty. What can we say about New aircraft. Disgraceful in one word. Taxes went wherever they went. Here is a useful insert that opens your eyes to all this disgrace: The owner will not grab and drag. Everything belongs to him anyway.
    His home is Power.
    The owner is never a thief.
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    The slaves drag everything into their kennel. They grab and steal. Slaves are always thieves. They are temporary. They would have time to steal it.
    Serfs love everything foreign. And they especially love the foreigners themselves. They themselves are slaves, third-class people, plebs. And therefore every foreigner is considered by them to be a gentleman. Everything foreign is beautiful...
  67. 0
    4 March 2024 17: 13
    Are the passengers alive? Leave the pilots alone and don't drag out the company's dirty laundry for everyone to see!!!!!!!
  68. 0
    April 11 2024 03: 10
    A country of effective managers and managers, no one is responsible for anything, this is how we live, we get up from our knees