Quality and quantity: what the domestic military-industrial complex brought to 2024

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Quality and quantity: what the domestic military-industrial complex brought to 2024


Military Industrial Complex No. 1


We will not know the true growth rates of the Russian defense industry in figures and facts during the period of the special military operation. But now we can draw some conclusions. For example, regarding the widespread opinion among liberal economists about the disadvantages of increasing military spending.



On the one hand, money flows into the military-industrial complex are not truly transformed into productive assets. Simply put, an armored personnel carrier can only destroy the enemy and transport infantry. As a last resort, pulling a stuck UAZ out of the mud will not get any more benefit from an armored personnel carrier in the civilian sector.

And another comparison. The release of the Su-34 fighter-bomber and the Tu-214 passenger aircraft have completely different effects on the economy. The first does not allow you to make money on yourself, although it is an important part of the defense shield, and the second is an excellent tool for doing business. Especially in an economy attacked by sanctions. But everyone forgets about the multiplier effect, based on the fact that in production tanks and other military equipment, entire clusters of subcontractors are involved. Many of which can now invest abundant proceeds in expanding production and major modernization.

Before the special operation, the main scourge of the domestic industry was the extremely low costs of R&D - research and development work. Most offices barely had enough funds to cover current needs, not to mention promising developments. This, by the way, is where the difficulties with import substitution come from – there simply weren’t enough funds to develop new ones. It was easier to purchase relatively inexpensive components abroad.

How beneficial military spending is for industry is perfectly illustrated by the example of the UralAZ plant in Miass. Last year, an average of 78 trucks left the plant's gates every day. In 2022, this figure was only fifty cars. How much of these volumes goes to the military and how much to civilians is unknown. But it is known for sure that in 2022 the plant invested 3,3 billion rubles in its development, which is two and a half times more than the previous year.

In 2023, several significant events happened at once. In June, construction began on a new production facility with a capacity of 5,5 thousand trucks per year, and in August it demonstrated new generation bridges for heavy vehicles. Full production should begin this summer. Until this moment, a considerable part of the Urals were equipped with Chinese bridges. After this, who will say that money for the military-industrial complex goes exclusively for military expenses? With proper investment, and not squandering, defense industry enterprises are able to reach a qualitatively different level. Especially when on the assembly line equipment for the army is mixed with civilian equipment. Perhaps the Supreme Commander-in-Chief expressed himself most accurately on this matter not long ago:

“By the end of 2023, in the conditions of a special military operation, when absolute priority is given to the production of military equipment, the production of civilian equipment at defense industry enterprises increased by almost 30% – by 27%.”


Purely “military” enterprises attract hundreds and thousands of contractors, who are not always engaged exclusively in defense issues. Surplus income from defense orders is invested in updating the fleet of machine tools and other infrastructure. When the special operation is over, a wide range of companies will have a powerful production base. Quite competitive in both domestic and foreign markets. And this is not to mention the reputation of the Russian weapons, the growth of exports of which is inevitable after the victorious end of the Northern Military District.

Adaptation and growth


2024 should be a record year in terms of supplies of weapons and equipment to the front. We can say that 2022 was a time of forced and emergency decisions, 2023 - mobilization and restructuring of production, 2024 - a systematic and large-scale increase in military production. Of course, I would like such production rates to be felt in the spring of 2022, but we have to work with what we have.

This year the Army will receive more than 36 thousand samples of military equipment and 16,6 million weapons. We'll talk about technology later, but for now let's focus on weapons. Obviously, we are talking about ammunition of various calibers and purposes. Such volumes of supplies suggest a consistent increase in attacks on military targets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the depths of the defense - that is, there will be more Geraniums and other long-range equipment.

In January, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visited the Raduga ICB from the Tactical Missile Weapons group, where, among other things, they announced an eight-fold increase in production volumes. There will also be more artillery ammunition. Interestingly, new modifications of 122-mm and 152-mm shells have already been noted at the front. A number of Telegram channels immediately inform about the appearance of shells filled with hexal instead of TNT. This provides a 1,5-fold increase in lethality on the target. The range should be increased by a more advanced aerodynamic shape of the projectiles. The appearance of “simplified” projectiles of the 152-mm 3OF98, 122-mm 3OF99 and 3OF56IM-1 series produced in 2023 has been noted, in which the original TNT is retained as an explosive.

On average, the Russian Army spends every month at least one million units of weapons of various classes and purposes. Increasing ammunition production was not easy. First of all, new areas and capacities had to be put into operation. It required the involvement of a large number of specialists, some of whom had to be retrained, and sometimes retrained. The shortage of workers, by the way, is the main problem of the country’s growing defense sector. Mobilization, which removed 300 thousand healthy and strong men of working age from the labor market, and the general growth of industrial production throughout the country also had an impact.






Allegedly, new artillery shells for the Russian Army

The defense order was completed by 98,8 percent last year, Deputy Minister of Defense Alexey Krivoruchko commented on the results. The factories repaired and built more than a hundred airplanes, one and a half hundred helicopters, several thousand drones, about 400 thousand aviation weapons of various classes and more than 7,7 thousand missiles for naval fleet. Ten air defense systems at the regimental and divisional level were put on combat duty.

Some aircraft are being put into continuous production. We are talking about the Il-76MD-90A, the future main workhorse of transport aviation in the Northern Military District. Work on equipping the production areas should be completed in February.

There have been several significant developments in the land defense industry over the past year. Finally, the Coalition-SV howitzer was prepared for serial production - by the end of January it became known that the first batch of self-propelled guns would soon be sent to the troops. It is very difficult to overestimate the appearance of the machine at the front. “Coalition-SV” will create real parity in range with the best NATO models, and will also significantly simplify counter-battery combat with the enemy. According to the General Director of Uraltransmash JSC Oleg Emelyanov, the production rate of traditional self-propelled guns of the Msta-S series has increased sixfold. In Kaluga they managed to resume production of gas turbine tank engines for the T-80 series. Moreover, they not only revived it, but they intend to increase the power of the power plant, which should make the T-80BVM the most power-armed tank of the Russian Army. And this is only a small fraction of the intensive work that is currently being carried out in the specialized design bureaus of the Russian military-industrial complex.

The domestic defense sector is experiencing a significant increase in funding and interest from the government. This gives both a quick effect, expressed in increasing supplies to the front, and a long-term effect - the education of the technical elite, the formation of new centers of competence and production sites. Investments in defense have always been an important part of the Russian economy, which, unfortunately, we remembered only recently.
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  1. -6
    February 5 2024
    36 thousands samples military equipment
    recourse Not in Russian... "cars, units, .." requestliberal economists are of the opinion that increasing military spending is harmful.
    1. +11
      February 5 2024
      liberal economists opinions about the disadvantages of increasing military spending.
      recourse Whoever feeds a girl of easy virtue, she sings songs. However, she eats mostly ours, and feeds us abroad with promises (the more you shit, the more you get) request A powerful military-industrial complex is not only a worthy place in the arms market, a large GDP, but also an excellent social environment, and isn’t that the main thing? Everyone is working, families are provided for.... If only the counter would be rolled up for 10 years, there would be no price for GDP... feel
      1. Msi
        +21
        February 5 2024
        If only the counter would have been rolled up for 10 years, there would have been no GDP price...

        Yeah... The main thing here is not to make a mistake about who is counter and who is not...
      2. +4
        February 5 2024
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        I wish I could roll up the counter for 10 years

        They were removed from TV and radio broadcasting, so all this abomination moved to YoyTube and from there they crowed about “democracy” and “universal values”
      3. -3
        February 5 2024
        A powerful military-industrial complex is not only a worthy place in the arms market, a large GDP, but also an excellent social situation, and isn’t that the main thing?

        A powerful military-industrial complex is in any case a big investment.
        Large investments mean, in any case, an increase in the money supply.
        An increase in the money supply means, in any case, inflation and problems in the economy.
        If the author is right, this increase in the money supply will be able to partially compensate for a certain increase in the production of consumer goods, including at military-industrial complex enterprises. The problem is that it can only partially compensate for this.
        1. +2
          February 5 2024
          Have you ever heard such an expression: “People who do not want to feed their army will sooner or later feed someone else’s”
          1. +3
            February 6 2024
            There can be many and different expressions, what is characteristic is that in the end it will be the people who feed the army, because in principle there is no one else to do this.

            For this, Russia and its economy have a certain margin of safety. Moreover, as we have all seen over the past two years, the reserve is not at all small. But we must keep in mind that it is not infinite either.

            And it is at his expense that the expenses will be incurred. And all the positive effects of “conversion” described in the article (and also those not described) can only soften the load and stretch this very reserve, nothing more.
            1. +8
              February 6 2024
              Quote: alexmach
              A powerful military-industrial complex is in any case a big investment.
              Large investments mean, in any case, an increase in the money supply.

              For an under-monetized economy, this is always and only a blessing. It is only important that the saturation of the economy with liquidity (money) does not occur through lending to fraudulent projects (such as construction in large cities with the transfer of profits abroad), but through DIRECT STATE FINANCING of large state (military, economic, infrastructure) projects. In this case, the entire money supply introduced into financial circulation begins to circulate within the state, creating a multiplier effect.
              BUT !!!
              If the State does not control the Financial Sector (and in the Russian Federation the state does not control either the Central Bank or the banking sector) and it is essentially an external system of control and management (in the Russian Federation this is exactly the case), then killing the lion's share of the positive effect from such an injection can be done with banal an increase in the Central Bank discount rate and bank interest by banks. By doing this, the hostile system of External Management triggers inflationary processes and makes bank loans unavailable to businesses and citizens themselves and... flushes all the achievements from direct investment in the economy down the toilet.
              In any case, this is exactly what the owners of money are doing in Russia now. And until the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (the structure of the IMF and the World Bank in Russia) is abolished and a sovereign State Bank of Russia and the State Treasury appear, the bestiality and lawlessness of strangers that we have seen throughout the entire period of “Victory Liberalism” since 1992 will continue in the Russian Federation.
              Will GDP make a second attempt to gain financial sovereignty (the first was made in the fall of 2005) ... we'll see.
              Quote: alexmach
              Ultimately, it will be the people who feed the army, because in principle there is no one else to do this.

              On February 25.02.2022, 20, GDP made a very interesting statement - about the termination of the IMF’s “Budget Rule” for Russia, and about the intention to carry out pre-monetization of the Russian economy by 51% from the then declared value of 40%, which other sources estimated at 40 - 100 +%, and at a rate of XNUMX% of GDP. Based on this, you can calculate for yourself how much more we have the opportunity to increase the volume of liquidity in the Russian Federation. And not at the expense of the population/People, but entirely for His own good.
              And if you do everything CORRECTLY, and at the same time control the Financial System, then loans, on the contrary, will only become cheaper and more accessible, and the cost of goods will decrease. If you also use the mechanisms of Tax Regulation, the effect will be even greater. And economic growth can be 7 - 10%. And for at least 15 years in a row. And this is the minimum period of rapid economic growth. In our case (in the case of our Country and the tasks facing it, such growth rates can continue for 25 or 30 years. We have where and in what to invest our sovereign funds.
              For all this, only the State Mind and Will are needed.
              And the conditions for this today are the most suitable. hi
              1. -2
                February 6 2024
                For an under-monetized economy, this is always and only a blessing.

                Where does the opinion about the lack of monetization of the Russian economy come from? Are you absolutely sure that she is not domnetized? Is there a natural exchange going on somewhere in it?
                It is only important that the economy is saturated with liquidity (money)

                This is not the only important thing. It is also important that this saturation does not go over the edge. As an example, you can look at the USSR. There, the economy was saturated with liquidity to the utmost, and in the end, a significant part of this liquidity went to the black market with crazy prices, and some was simply burned in savings books.
                not through lending to fraudulent projects (such as construction in big cities with the transfer of profits abroad)

                Housing in big cities is precisely a liquid commodity for which there is always demand... read - someone will always buy it by spending their “liquidity” on it. And it allows you to maintain a balance in the economy between the amount of money and the amount of what you can buy with it. This means the stability of the value of money itself, which is important for the economy as a whole.

                In this case, the entire money supply introduced into financial circulation begins to circulate within the state, creating a multiplier effect

                How does she begin to turn inside then? Well, let’s say enterprises hire workers, start paying them normally, the workers have money, and they want to buy something with it. Is it still inside? And if they want to buy something made in China, for example, this is also still inside (remember about housing, which turns out to be a scam, yeah of course)? Does an employee whose salary has increased even have the opportunity to buy something that was not brought from abroad and is meaningful to him? What about enterprises? Well, where will this multiplier effect of yours go then?

                If the Financial Sector is not controlled by the State

                It's a bullshit.

                it is possible by a banal increase in the Central Bank discount rate and bank interest by banks. This is how the hostile system of External Control triggers inflationary processes

                Exactly the opposite. These are cheap loans not backed by real economic growth that launch them
                1. +4
                  February 6 2024
                  Quote: alexmach
                  It's a bullshit.

                  This is a fact, read the Constitution.
                  1. -2
                    February 6 2024
                    And what is written there? Who appoints the head of the Central Bank and to whom is he/she accountable? IMF?
                    1. +3
                      February 7 2024
                      This is a consolation prize.
                      1. +3
                        February 7 2024
                        I don't understand how this works. That is, the president appoints, reports to parliament, and manages the entire IMF? Are you implying that Vladimir Vladimirovich is actually an agent of world financial tycoons?
                      2. +3
                        February 7 2024
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Are you implying that Vladimir Vladimirovich is actually an agent of world financial tycoons?

                        No, this agent is the Head of the Central Bank and the Minister of Finance. But Nabiulina is the main one.
                        It’s better to listen to the deputies who sometimes remove her about who and HOW she “reports” to. At best, she comes to talk with the “natives”. But in reality, she reports only to her real employers. And her status, by the way, is deputy. head of the IMF.
                        Therefore, it will continue to raise the discount rate on command, but will ignore the “wishes” of the GDP and will not notice. And the ruble exchange rate will continue to be played with.
                        And the government and the Duma cannot remove it. And although the GDP can, according to the Constitution, who knows who will be sent instead.
                        But conclusions can be drawn from this.
                        In 2005, the Russian Federation paid off its external debts and decided to take control of the Financial System of the Russian Federation. There were serious plans, correct ones. But there was not enough strength or resource. Those responsible for carrying out the reform were demonstratively shot, the shooters turned to the “crazed banker” whose five banks were deprived of their licenses. He was a classmate of my friend at Moscow State University, I know this story well. And out of his (the banker’s) sacrifice of revenge, a week before his murder, in one hall, I voted for the creation of the All-Russian Economic Society named after Sharapov. In the very hall in which the little boy read the poem “I found out that I have a huge family...”, in the film “Brother-2”. And the children's choir sang "Goodbye America."
                        Quote: alexmach
                        I don't understand how this works.

                        Rewatch "Brother 2", it will help.
              2. 0
                February 6 2024
                then loans, on the contrary, will only become cheaper and more accessible, and the cost of goods will decrease


                How can the cost of goods decrease when money becomes cheaper?
                1. +2
                  February 6 2024
                  Quote: alexmach
                  How can the cost of goods decrease when money becomes cheaper?

                  belay Do you really not understand this?
                  When a loan is cheap and amounts to a few percent, then an enterprise (let’s say a trading company), taking it to purchase goods, includes in its retail/final price not the conditional 25-30% for loan repayment, but only 5%. This is how it affects the price of goods in trade.
                  If an industrial enterprise takes out such a loan as working capital, then it also sets the cost of 5%, and not 25-30%. And since the same thing will happen throughout the cooperation chain, the consumer of these products will pay significantly less for them. The risks for bank clients of non-return/delay of payments are also reduced (after all, they have become many times smaller) and the risks of bankruptcy. And the manufacturer also has the opportunity to include a slightly higher profit margin in the price and increase its profitability without harming the buyer/end user.
                  Now the lion's share of profits from any economic activity goes to banks.
                  1. 0
                    February 7 2024
                    When the loan is cheap and amounts to a few percent

                    It will not be taken by a trading company, but by a bank. And he will stupidly invest it in government bonds, at a slightly higher interest rate, and simply cook money out of thin air by parasitizing on this scheme, that’s all.

                    Again, if credit is cheap, more buyers will take it. The more buyers take out a loan, the higher the demand will be, and the higher the demand, the higher the price will be, because goods are not added from loans alone.

                    taking it to purchase goods

                    Where to purchase goods? Is there some kind of bottomless source from which you can buy goods as much as you can print money?.. Oh yes, China.. but it’s unlikely that they’ll just want to accept printed rubles. He will have to be offered something of equal value for his goods.
                    1. +1
                      February 7 2024
                      Quote: alexmach
                      It will not be taken by a trading company, but by a bank. And he will stupidly invest it in government bonds, at a slightly higher interest rate, and simply cook money out of thin air by parasitizing on this scheme, that’s all.

                      In order to buy government bonds, they must be sold to him (the bank).
                      Why should the State take a loan from a commercial bank? If the State itself carries out pre-monetization of the Economy? These loans will go through trusted banks under the supervision of . And there is no need to sell bonds to the State at all.
                      And if you introduce cut-off taxation on bank profits, say, if a bank issues a loan with its own markup above (let’s say) 2-3%, then all profits in excess of the allowed rate of profit are withdrawn in favor of the Budget in the form of a progressive tax. And the same provision must be observed by the Central Bank - as an ordinary banking structure of non-state ownership.
                      And all these tricks will become impossible.
                      Moreover, for the Central Bank the permitted profit should not exceed 1%.
                      But the tax on permitted bank profits should be increased. The banking sector should not be a sinecure, but for the right to lend, it should pay a tax and strictly follow the rules.
                      And since the owners of “Russian” banks are usually external players, such rules will not harm either the Economy or the citizens of Russia. They should be prohibited from borrowing on the domestic Russian market. You can only lend with your own funds. If you want to make money with loans in Russia, lend only with your own funds, follow the rules, pay taxes.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Again, if credit is cheap, more buyers will take it. The more buyers take out a loan, the higher the demand will be, and the higher the demand, the higher the price will be, because goods are not added from loans alone.

                      No . The size of the bank loan already includes the coming inflation. The higher the rate, the higher the inflation. It can't be otherwise. At a rate below 5% (bank rate, not the accounting rate from the Central Bank), inflation will be near zero or it simply will not exist. If real economic growth is higher than inflation, prices will begin to decline.
                      And of course, the strictest control of the state, incl. following the ruble exchange rate. It is best to tie it to gold and agree on a fixed rate for specified periods of time with trading partner states with a stable economy and financial system.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Is there some kind of bottomless source from which you can buy goods as much as you can print money?

                      There is such a source. Not bottomless, of course, but enough for our country - Russian Economy.
                      And emission injections should be dosed - no more than what the Economy is able to absorb within a year. . A scientific approach is needed, not the hysterics of a pregnant schoolgirl. Look at HOW and with what funds Stalin's Industrialization was carried out. Did he take out long-term loans? (there were, but current ones with full calculation until the end of the five-year plan)
                      But already in the mid-30s, the USSR began building a powerful ocean-going Navy; several super-battleships, battle cruisers, light cruisers, many destroyers, and submarines were laid down. ... And there was enough money for everything. And the Air Force, which was not the largest in the world (mid-30s), was built... Where does the “bastard Country of the Soviets” get so much money?
                      And in 1940, the USSR became the Second Economy of the World. And these are US data (watch the film “What We Fight For”; statistics are given there).
                      1. -2
                        February 7 2024
                        Why should the State take a loan from a commercial bank?

                        How do you think the state will finance these direct investments in infrastructure? Direct printing of money?
                        If the State itself carries out pre-monetization of the Economy?

                        Will you still decide whether to reduce the money supply or increase it? And by the way, if you reduce it, and if Putin said this, then what are your complaints about the key rate of the Central Bank, that’s exactly what they are doing.
                        They should be prohibited from borrowing on the domestic Russian market.

                        Here I am completely lost in your reasoning. How then will the key rate of the Central Bank, which you called for to be lowered in the post above, influence the economy at all? How will this money, which you think is missing, get into the economy?
                        The higher the rate, the higher the inflation

                        everything is upside down.
                        It is best to tie it to gold and agree on a fixed rate for agreed periods of time

                        We’ve already tried it in Russia and beyond, but it ended badly. Including “damage to coins” and all sorts of copper riots, that is, the depreciation of money. This is inflation in the Middle Ages.
                        There is such a source. Not bottomless, of course, but enough for our country - Russian Economy

                        Take a look around. How many products around you are now produced in Russia?
                        And emission injections should be dosed - no more than what the Economy is able to absorb within a year. .

                        But here I agree 100%. By the way, this is exactly what your independent Central Bank does.
                        See HOW and with what funds Stalin's Industrialization was carried out

                        And just look at the load on everyone during this industrialization. Let's return to where we started the conversation - there is no one except the people to pay for industrialization.
                      2. 0
                        February 7 2024
                        Quote: alexmach
                        How do you think the state will finance these direct investments in infrastructure? Direct printing of money?

                        Now are not those times, mostly non-cash payments are in use. And only verified/trusted Russian banks can be admitted to these programs. They are .
                        But the rest need to screw up the sinecure. Because of their exorbitant appetites, the lion's share of surplus value flows into banks and is taken out of the country, collapsing the ruble exchange rate. We have a chronic and gigantic surplus in foreign trade and the exchange rate, by all rights, should be steadily strengthening. But the fraudulent schemes of banks not only bleed the Economy, but also work towards devaluation. It is not right .
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Will you still decide whether to reduce the money supply or increase it?

                        You are acting as weird as a card sharper. Pre-monetization of the Economy is an increase in the money supply and its inclusion in circulation. The announced 20% pre-monetization announced by Putin is now being implemented. But we are still very far from the cherished 100%.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        . How then will the key rate of the Central Bank, which you called for to be lowered in the post above, influence the economy at all? How will this money, which you think is missing, get into the economy?

                        I have already said - through trusted banks of exclusively Russian jurisdiction and with an overwhelming share of the state among their shareholders.
                        Others should be DEprived of this privilege.
                        They were allowed to work in our market, with the condition that they would lend to our business from their own funds and at a reasonable interest rate. They broke the agreements. Now only ourselves. In general, I would deprive most of their licenses.
                        If you are a private commercial bank, especially a foreigner (the real owner), and if you are admitted to the market of a large country, lend with your OWN funds.
                        Although it would be better to return to the State Bank of Russia with subordination to the Ministry of Finance as part of the Government, to the State Treasury as the emission center of Russia. And all foreign institutions should be abolished and deprived of the feeding trough.
                        Since they don't want to play by the rules.
                        But they DON'T WANT.
                      3. +1
                        February 7 2024
                        You are acting as weird as a card sharper. Pre-monetization of the Economy is an increase in the money supply and its inclusion in circulation. Announced pre-monetization by 20%

                        Ok... I just read Domonetization as DEMONITIZATION.
                      4. 0
                        February 8 2024
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Ok... I just read Domonetization as DEMONITIZATION.

                        lol I can’t even imagine WHAT picture was taking shape in your head.
                      5. 0
                        February 7 2024
                        Quote: alexmach
                        The higher the rate, the higher the inflation

                        everything is upside down.

                        You are simply financially illiterate and not familiar with the basic science of Political Economy. It was previously taught in Soviet universities.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        We’ve already tried it in Russia and beyond, but it ended badly. Including “damage to coins” and all sorts of copper riots

                        Just don’t need fairy tales about a “fairy-tale past.” And no one is calling for minting coins from precious metals to put them into circulation. As Count Witte did in “The Russia We Lost.” We definitely don’t need such “happiness”.
                        The Soviet Ruble had gold (and other) content. But no one printed gold money. But the exchange rate was stable for decades.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Take a look around. How many products around you are now produced in Russia?

                        lol And again, complete economic illiteracy. THIS IS that same RESOURCE - a huge domestic market. Consumer market ! Yes, by satisfying it at the expense of domestic production, SUCH an economy can be built up. fellow Just make the bank loan for business minimal, tax breaks for starting businesses for several years, and the phased abolition of VAT - complete abolition over several years (through a phased reduction, and sectoral abolition in the highest priority industries).
                        There is no need for tears about the damaged Budget; if done competently and with a scientific approach, the sharply increased tax base will cover the VAT that is receding into the “terrible past”.
                        And the Economy will flourish like Krin Heavenly. And it will grow by 7 or even 10% per year. And for quite a long time.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        And just look at the load on everyone during this industrialization.

                        Which ? Collectivization was carried out earlier (by a year or two).
                        Why did you have to work on the drums?
                        Inventing social competitions for motivation?
                        What labor awards and titles appeared?
                        Why did they begin to glorify the working man?
                        What financial incentives were introduced? And not a little.
                        That the level and Quality of Life has improved beyond recognition every year?
                        Quote: alexmach
                        There is no one except the people to pay for industrialization.

                        In the USSR, the State paid the People for Industrialization. Full Soviet Ruble.
                        For the State itself was People's.

                        And I don’t need to talk about “repressions” - I come from such a family myself. And my great-uncle, the commander of the 25th Shock Division (Chapaevskaya), was arrested and shot in 1938 under a conspiracy.
                      6. 0
                        February 7 2024
                        You are acting as weird as a card sharper. Pre-monetization of the Economy is an increase in the money supply and its inclusion in circulation. Announced pre-monetization by 20%

                        AND? In your opinion, did it have any effect on industrialization?
                        Why did you have to work on the drums?

                        What does the whole country and decades have to do with it?
                        What financial incentives were introduced? And not a little.

                        Material and not small compared to what? For yesterday's collective farmer or for a person of today's consumer society?
                        That the level and Quality of Life has improved beyond recognition every year?

                        Yes, but is this possible now? Is it possible for the current Russian society to improve the standard of living every year and beyond recognition?
                        What resource is asking? That human resource that no longer exists.
                        And I don’t need to talk about “repressions” - I come from such a family myself

                        And what? Does this somehow cancel out that portion of the price paid?
                      7. 0
                        February 8 2024
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Announced pre-monetization by 20%

                        AND? In your opinion, did it have any effect on industrialization?

                        Of course, it had an impact - the military-industrial complex/defense-industrial complex has increased production by an order of magnitude, the aircraft industry is now being invested in a way different from before, but the return will come over time. And the aviation industry is a very powerful multiplier - for one job in the industry, up to 10 jobs have to be created in related industries. Infrastructure projects continue, “Import substitution” brings a new domestic product (even though the term makes many people’s ears droop). But the main investments are in the northwestern military and military-industrial complex. The country is at war.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Why did you have to work on the drums?

                        What does the whole country and decades have to do with it?

                        Do you think with the beginning of Industrialization the people shed tears?? belay Is this when in the 20s it was necessary to introduce a 4-day week and a five-hour working day at industrial enterprises? To keep local workers until better times?
                        Yes, when the “Construction of Communism” began, there was no particular problem with recruiting workers for the construction of hydroelectric power stations/thermal power plants, access roads, enterprises/enterprises nearby, a village or even a city. And while all this was being built in evening schools, people were taught literacy and future factory specialties .. The population was forced out of bast shoes and needs into a new life, with good salaries (not Khrushchev’s!!!), with good solid employment, labor protection, social protection , healthcare, career opportunities (they sent talented youth to institutes and technical schools), received official housing... and this after two grueling wars in a row, the devastation and chaos of the period of formation of Soviet Power after the Civil War, and getting rid of the interventionists.
                        Yes, the people themselves consciously tore their veins to build a new life. I was glad that the Job appeared! Well-paid .
                        And the collective farms rejoiced when MTS appeared, tractors began to plow, harvesting with reapers. Productivity has increased. The famine was gone (although crop failures did occur, but this happened throughout the entire planet), the cities were provided for and export products were provided.
                        People were JOYING. And at the end of the Second Five-Year Plan they started dancing.
                        And they did not look like the bast population that had just been robbed - on the contrary, they had acquired wealth, and confidence in the Future Day appeared. With such and such Power. With that Power it was possible to move mountains. And they turned away. That’s why they fought like this in WWII - FOR THEIR OWN.
                      8. 0
                        February 8 2024
                        Yes, when the “Construction of Communism” began, there was no particular problem with recruiting workers for

                        The population emerged from bast shoes and need into a new life, with good salaries (not Khrushchev’s!!!), with good solid employment, labor protection, social protection

                        Yes, but will this happen now? The current population lives a noticeably more comfortable and well-fed life. And a significant part of those social gains is now available anyway...
                      9. 0
                        February 8 2024
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Material and not small compared to what?

                        Compared to what happened BEFORE.
                        Just like in the period from 2005 to 2015, when the standard of living grew every year.
                        And why ?
                        Because from 2005 to 2015, pre-monetization of the Russian Economy took place from 4% to 40%!
                        And then stagnation. Until the start of the SVO. But SVO means war, sanctions, seizure of assets, restructuring of the Economy. Therefore, the multiplier effect is lower. And still - growth is 3,4%. Against the backdrop of the crisis of the West at war with us.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        For yesterday's collective farmer or for a person of today's consumer society?

                        Do you judge present-day Russia by Moscow? Where are the only “makeup artists” and “food delivery people”? And look at the rest of the country - there salaries of 30 thousand are already considered good. And for state employees it’s even lower - 14-17 thousand is not uncommon.
                        And when a factory suddenly revives in such an outback, they hire employees, give decent salaries... do you think there is a high or low start there? Will people go into production, or will they continue to vegetate without money?
                        Russia is DIFFERENT. And if you offer urban slackers an alternative (hypothetical) - to go through mobilization for war, or to go to production at the machine (through labor mobilization) ... will they go?
                        They'll go. And the education you previously received will be useful, you can earn money worthy of it, and you can do the right thing for the Country.
                        And then the hunt will come. Many will not return to work as food distributors even after the war - it’s a shame for a skillful and useful person to engage in such stupidity.
                        So, if we do it wisely, then even today there is a resource for an economic breakthrough. In addition, our former compatriots from the dying countries of liberal capitalism have come home. And not only compatriots - many Germans, Australians, French and Americans were drawn to Russia as to the Ark of Salvation. This is also a resource.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        And what? Does this somehow cancel out that portion of the price paid?

                        All excesses and repressions are the result of an intra-party and intra-elite struggle for power. There were saboteurs, saboteurs, slanderous denunciations, and abuses of power. Until the power vertical was rebuilt, personnel selection did not take place, and severe retribution for enemies and criminals did not return.
                        So the price was paid. But the RESULT was such that there was no doubt about the correctness of the choice of place.
                      10. 0
                        February 8 2024
                        Because from 2005 to 2015, pre-monetization of the Russian Economy took place from 4% to 40%!

                        If this is so, then from 4 to 40 it is tenfold. Ten times again?
                        Do you judge present-day Russia by Moscow?

                        Do you judge present-day Russia by Moscow?
                        Well, let's go back to the statistics. What percentage of the population lives in Moscow? And in general in large and developed cities? And in the outback?
                        And when a factory suddenly revives in such an outback, they hire employees, give decent salaries... do you think there is a high or low start there? Will people go into production, or will they continue to vegetate without money?

                        Is this population in the outback enough to open a factory? The massive outflow from the outback began during the times of collectivization and industrialization and is still going on.
                        In addition, our former compatriots from the dying countries of liberal capitalism flocked home

                        Yes, such a resource potentially does exist. But they still need to be used wisely. Historically, most migrants always settle in economically prosperous areas - that is, in big cities.
                        All excesses and repressions are the result of an intra-party and intra-elite struggle for power

                        Are there any examples in history of great social changes that did not occur?
                      11. 0
                        February 8 2024
                        Quote: alexmach
                        If this is so, then from 4 to 40 it is tenfold. Ten times again?

                        If you first drop it 25 times (actually more), and then after 10-15 years... allow the lost potential to increase 10 times in 10 years... this will be good (albeit not enough) for the affected economy, and will cause Only its improvement will lead society out of depression.
                        So it is possible .
                        Moreover, it is necessary.
                        In 2005, the Russian Federation paid off its external debts and, entering a short-term conflict on weak positions (military and economic), achieved the right to increase monetization to 40%. And until 2014, everything was fine in the Russian Federation and annual growth was 7% or more. And monetization grew by an average of 3-4% of GDP. And GDP grew.
                        So it is possible .
                        Quote: alexmach
                        What percentage of the population lives in Moscow? And in general in large and developed cities? And in the outback?

                        In Moscow, at least (more than) half of the population are “Muscovites” of the first generation... by resettlement. Plus migrants (already several million).
                        The resettlement program in human settlements is working... it has worked until this day. Now priorities are changing - a strong economy, a powerful military-industrial complex and a mighty Army (and Navy) were required. But the economy is not being done in the capitals. We need mines, mining and processing plants, metallurgical plants, steel rolling, foundry and mechanical production, mechanical engineering, machine tool building, instrument making, shipbuilding, aircraft manufacturing, microelectronics of the most advanced level, Science, Art, Sports achievements and Physical education for public health.
                        This is not done in capitals alone (including regions). We need to settle and develop Siberia and develop the Far East. And office plankton, makeup artists and food delivery people... at war with 50+ Western countries and their satellites, Country No. Not needed .
                        Otherwise, who will build airplanes?
                        Who will make the pilots?
                        lol Well, of course not a gay makeup artist.
                      12. 0
                        February 8 2024
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Is this population in the outback enough to open a factory?

                        The rest will come for a long ruble, the fog of romance and the smell of Taiga. And if the choice is labor mobilization or to the front, then the decision will be made even easier and faster.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Historically, most migrants always settle in economically prosperous areas - that is, in big cities.

                        And who will let them go there?
                        Residence permit\probationary period and assignment to a region where such specialists are needed. There is no need to make a mess with this.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        Are there any examples in history of great social changes that did not occur?

                        Not .
                        So look for the guilty among the Saviors stop not worth it.
                      13. 0
                        February 7 2024
                        Where does the “bastard Land of the Soviets” get so much money?

                        Yes, from that same bast shoes. Stalin used a resource that we no longer have for industrialization.
                      14. 0
                        February 7 2024
                        No . I'm talking about money, and not about the labor resource of the dispossessed peasantry.
                        Read Stalin's speech at the congress following the results of the 1st Five-Year Plan. He said this straight out and without any fuss.
                        Well, the Latti and their former masters did not have enough wealth to jump from the Latti to the 10nd economy of the World in 2 years. To build a plant per day... and more (!!) . Hydroelectric power stations, thermal power plants, railways, while at the same time changing the old ones to a wide standard and making them double-track. Blast furnaces and open-hearth furnaces, rolling mills, machine-building plants, saturation of the consumer market, increased productivity significantly due to collectivization and mechanization of agriculture.
                        In American textbooks for the richest and most influential, there is also something similar about the Nature of Money, but they stole this idea from the Russian Genius Sharapov, making a successful assassination attempt on him and IMMEDIATELY after that, according to his Theory of Absolute Money, establishing the Fed (a cartel of selected banks) on behalf of which US Paper Dollars began to be printed. But since they created the Dollar in a perverted form and without observing restrictions and a scientific approach... the United States very quickly plunged the United States into the deepest financial and economic Crisis - the Great Depression. But only 1913 years passed from 1929 to 16. And they got out of this Depression only with the help of the USSR - by being the first to conclude trade agreements on supplies under the Industrialization program. At that time, 90% of all machine tools produced in the world were purchased by the USSR. For 10 years! It was on these orders that pre-war America (USA) largely rose.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        a resource that we no longer have.

                        Then we started from the position of “you can’t imagine anything lower,” the population was about the same.
                        And then we did not have nuclear weapons, Rosatom, strategic nuclear forces, the population was illiterate - the overwhelming majority did not know how to read/write... weakened and embittered by the Civil War.
                        But highly educated people, armed with advanced scientific Knowledge, came to power.
                        And a real Miracle happened.
                        And while the capitalist world was struggling in the convulsions of the economic crisis, the USSR made an industrial breakthrough.
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                        February 7 2024
                        Then we started from the position “you can’t imagine anything lower”

                        This is what I’m also talking about; it’s hardly possible to achieve such a “low start effect” as it was then.
                        I’m not saying that it’s impossible to develop at all, but it’s very strange to compare then and now.
                      16. +1
                        February 8 2024
                        Quote: alexmach
                        This is what I’m also talking about; it’s hardly possible to achieve such a “low start effect” as it was then.

                        How can you achieve a low start? Again in bast shoes?? belay I didn’t write that today it is possible to achieve growth of 34%, but here is the fact that growth of 7-10% can be ensured for 15-25 years. In the end, our start today is not very high. A resource-extracting and exporting economy, an economy that imports consumer goods, but at the same time has a good (but not balanced) education system, a huge territory without roads, undeveloped, without transport connectivity - all this is also a VERY GREAT potential for long-term high growth. There is something to invest in with a good general economic return and the launch of a multiplier. The more we lack today, the more we need to do, build, master, inhabit, achieve - all this is the Huge Potential for long and high Growth.
                        And we don’t need jumps of 34% per year now. And even a rate of 17% would probably be excessive. But a stable 7%, or even all 10%, will provide the same effect as during the first Stalinist five-year plans, the same optimism and uplift as in the 50s - 60s of the last century.
                        In the Russian Federation, the salary level is lower than in China, and this is given our climate, crops and distances. So there is room for growth here too - the base is very, very low for the majority of the population.
                        And the growth of the population’s well-being means an increase and complication of the capacity of the Internal Market.
                        So the starting conditions are good.
                2. 0
                  February 6 2024
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Where does the opinion about the lack of monetization of the Russian economy come from?

                  It's just Statistics - the Queen of Sciences.
                  And the president himself stated on February 25.02.2022, 51 that the monetization of the Russian economy does not exceed 100%. At a rate of XNUMX% of the country's GDP.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Is there a natural exchange going on somewhere in it?

                  There was natural exchange in the Russian Federation (and most CIS countries) when the monetization of its economy did not exceed 4-5% of GDP. And the Russian Federation had such a monetization rate until the end of 2005 (then the first attempt of the Russian Federation to get rid of the bondage of the IMF and its representative office in the Russian Federation (Central Bank of the Russian Federation) took place. The attempt then failed, high-profile (and not so high-profile) murders occurred, and then it was concluded an agreement under which the Russian Federation received the right to increase its monetization to 40% in 10 years. And no more than 40%!! At the same time, the Budget Rule was preserved, according to which the Russian Federation could sell its oil at a price no higher than the established ceiling. All that was gained above the established threshold, it was sterilized in the so-called “reserve funds”.
                  It was this Budget Rule that Putin abandoned on the second day of the SBO. And he officially and publicly announced the pre-monetization of the Economy by 20%.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  It is important that this saturation does not go over the edge.

                  Of course. The most effective way to inject money is through direct government investment and spending. So all the money immediately goes into the production chains of a specific project/order and includes a multiplier. In our case, the best use of such funds is spending on military defense and financing military programs. As well as infrastructure programs and programs for new Industrialization (whether you call it import substitution or something else).
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Housing in big cities is just a marketable commodity,

                  There are already 3-4 times more of them being built than they can buy. And we are talking about construction in BIG cities. And I know how such schemes work. Everything there is built on the task of withdrawing funds from the country.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  How does she begin to turn inside then? Well, let’s say enterprises hire workers, start paying them normally, the workers have money, and they want to buy something with it. Is it still inside?

                  Of course. But the Wage Fund is still a smaller part; the remaining amounts go through cooperation chains. And there, too, part goes to salary, part to raw materials, cooperation, electricity, etc., and the rate of profit goes to production development, social programs and payments to shareholders (if any). When the money is dispersed through cooperation chains and salary payments, they begin to live their own lives. Continuing to produce surplus value, deducted in the form of taxes, entering the budget and ensuring the circulation of liquidity in the Economy. Like blood in the body.
                  1. 0
                    February 7 2024
                    The most effective way to inject money is through direct government investment and spending.

                    No, this is precisely the most effective way to promote an inflationary spiral. It's faster to just print money and throw it out the window. There are more sophisticated ways, for example through the same mechanism of government loan bonds. With the involvement of financial markets and sterilization of part of that same money supply.
                    There are already 3-4 times more of them being built than they can buy

                    If that were the case, then no one would buy it. But they buy it. This means your statement is not true.
                    Of course. But the Wage Fund is still a smaller part, the remaining amounts go through cooperation chains

                    So, those who sit in the links of these chains are also consumers (enterprises themselves are also consumers, and for them the laws of economics work the same way as for individuals).
                    1. 0
                      February 7 2024
                      Quote: alexmach
                      If that were the case, then no one would buy it. But they buy it. This means your statement is not true.

                      Up to 70-80% of newly built housing is not sold. If you stop building altogether, what has already been built will be sold for three years.
                      I know very well how these schemes work. When housing prices go up an order of magnitude+ above cost, a loan is taken out for construction, most of it is immediately taken offshore, housing is built for the remainder, and all profits from the sale are then withdrawn. As a result, the vast majority of the cost of sold housing ends up in foreign jurisdictions. This not only bleeds the Economy, but also creates pressure for the devaluation of the ruble. My school friend's friends are doing these things. Several banks, construction companies, migrants are building. The goal is not to satisfy demand, but rather to withdraw maximum amounts abroad. And everything is built precisely on the monstrous difference between the selling price and the cost price. Moreover, high profitability is maintained when only 20-30% of completed housing is sold.
                      And this business has now acquired simply exaggerated shapes and sizes.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      and those who sit in the links of these chains are also consumers

                      Of course. And the more such links there are, the more people receive salaries in these links, the more effective and abundant our Economy, category “B” enterprises and retail trade will be stimulated.
                    2. 0
                      February 7 2024
                      Quote: alexmach
                      It's faster to just print money and throw it out the window.

                      Have you heard the American joke that is told in the best Western universities where future financiers are trained?
                      - A rich gentleman comes to a small town in the USA. He goes into a hotel (it is the only one in this town), gives the hotel owner $100 and says that he will stay in the city for 4 days, and this is his deposit. And he goes about his business. The owner is glad to have such a guest; rarely does anyone come to the town. He goes to the carpenter and gives him $100, which he owes him for a new door, the carpenter immediately goes and gives $100 to the milkman to whom he owes, the milkman is happy and goes to the blacksmith, who recently shoed a mare for him in debt, the blacksmith goes to hotel to a prostitute and gives her $100 that he owes her for previous services, the prostitute is delighted and immediately takes these $100 to the hotel owner, which she owes him for a room for her business. ... And an hour later the gentleman who arrived returns and tells the owner of the hotel that the gentleman to whom he came has died, and he will not stay at his hotel. The hotel owner returns $100 to the gentleman and he leaves...
                      As a result, $100 visited this town for only an hour, but at the same time made 5 people happy, relieving them of debts that were difficult for them to repay. It’s just that in a small town there was little money in circulation and the residents provided services to each other in debt. But a 100-dollar bill that visited their city saved them from debt. Their total debt was $500, and the bill, which arrived for just an hour, dealt with their problems in just an hour.
                      This is an illustration of the nature and function of money and the Multiplier effect of its circulation in Economics.
                      There is no need to argue with me anymore, macroeconomics has been my strong point since a young age.
              3. 0
                February 9 2024
                You are very right. Extensive and to the point.
          2. 0
            February 7 2024
            And we feed. A whole army of strangers to us by citizenship, nationality, culture, etc. oligarchs, officials, fleachers, showmen, “stars” and other parasites and hidden and obvious enemies. Who rob us and take our wealth for 30 years to “themselves” overseas, to their holes in London, Nice, California...
        2. +4
          February 6 2024
          Following your logic, which has little to do with the laws of economics, any investment (for example, in a plant for the production of washing machines) leads to an increase in the money supply, then to inflation and therefore harmful. What is absurd, because the economies of all countries of the world FIGHT to attract such investments and their growth is considered an indicator of the health of the economy.
          1. 0
            February 6 2024
            any investment (for example, in a plant for the production of washing machines) leads to an increase in the money supply, then to inflation and therefore harmful.

            No you shouldn't. Not just any investment. It is important where these investments come from. Where do you think investments of 40% of the budget can come from?

            What is absurd, because... the economies of all countries of the world are FIGHTING to attract such investments and their growth is considered an indicator of the well-being of the economy

            Well, yes, everyone is struggling, and no one thought to just print +40% of the money supply and just invest in what we need... Well, almost no one guessed.
            1. 0
              February 7 2024
              It's good that you are not a finance minister with such a cavernous understanding of the tools for managing a modern economy. I will tell you, apparently, the secret of the sources of increasing funding for the defense sector in 2024: 1) additional budget revenues (introduction of new taxes, increase in revenue from existing ones), 2) reduction of other budget expenditures ("reduction of expenditures on general government issues, the national economy, physical education and sports, on the media and interbudgetary transfers of a general nature"), the latter is especially important and 3) internal and external borrowings (now, of course, mostly internal). By the way, there is where and from whom to borrow - previously, excess profits of many private, and not only, enterprises were withdrawn to Cypriot and other accounts, tens of billions of dollars left the economy, even state leasing companies financed foreign enterprises, now all the money remains inside . Everything has its price, but you apparently only know about “printing money.” The economy is still somewhat more complicated.
              1. 0
                February 7 2024
                internal and external borrowings (now, of course, mostly internal)

                This is exactly it
                you apparently only know about “printing money”

                Just a little flavored with financial instruments.

                If you don’t know, then talk further about “cave understanding”
        3. 0
          February 6 2024
          Moreover, I believe that investing in a military plant (let it be a plant for the production of tank diesel engines) is even more beneficial for the economy than investing in a civilian plant (let it be a plant producing washing machines). And I'm ready to prove it. But first, I would still like to hear from you arguments in favor of the conclusion to which you ...have reached. About the harm of investments and its connection with inflation.
          1. 0
            February 6 2024
            Moreover, I think

            Well, you can basically assume anything, some people say in all seriousness that the earth is flat. And they also come up with arguments for this.

            If anything, I never say that there is no need to invest in defense factories, especially during war. I say that this has its own price and you still have to pay it.
      4. 0
        February 7 2024
        Well, and political lackeys at the same time)
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  2. +3
    February 5 2024
    I really hope that the times of the USSR with its super-duper secrecy are over and that what is being developed and implemented in the military sphere will begin to enter the civilian sector in a simplified version.
    1. +6
      February 5 2024
      Quote: svp67
      is being developed and implemented in the military sphere, and in a simplified version will begin to arrive in the civilian sector.

      Here we should rather talk about new technologies, which should be transferred to commercial enterprises under certain conditions. The problem is that the Russian Ministry of Defense spent huge budget funds on these developments and, by law, cannot simply transfer it to anyone. And military-industrial complex enterprises will try to maintain a monopoly on new technology until the last moment.
      The problem must first be solved at the legislative level. Then talk about the development of the civilian sector through dual-use developments.
      1. +7
        February 5 2024
        Many “dual” purpose enterprises...They work both in the military-industrial complex and in the civilian sector.
        1. AUL
          0
          February 5 2024
          Surplus income from defense orders is invested in updating the fleet of machine tools and other infrastructure. When the special operation is over, a wide range of companies will have a powerful production base. Quite competitive in both domestic and foreign markets.
          Yes of course! Those who produced tanks will drive washing machines, those who produced shells will produce incubators for agriculture, the aviation industry will drive Lada-Kalina...
          Anyone who is at least a little familiar with production knows that in a specialized production, simply switching to another product model (of the same profile) means a long time, a lot of money for re-equipping production, searching for new suppliers and related suppliers, a long-term decrease in product output (hence , and profits) and in general a big hemorrhoid for the enterprise. So, rebuilding a tank plant to produce tractors is easier to build a new tractor plant. Besides, if tanks are needed again, should we rebuild production? Or keep production lines and warehouses of raw materials, components and equipment for tank production idle but ready? It will be quite expensive, however!
          Yes, it is good that a wide range of companies will have a powerful production base. But we also need to understand that the defense industry is, by definition, a purely unprofitable area of ​​the economy. And production conversion is a very time-consuming, costly and not always economically feasible thing. At one time they tried to release pots in the defense industry - it didn’t work...
          1. GGV
            +3
            February 5 2024
            This means automobile factories, for example: KamAZ, UAZ, GAZ and the same Ural. And you never know how many other military-industrial complex enterprises can produce and make money on civilian products.
          2. +1
            February 5 2024
            During war, money doesn't matter at all. If you want to win, of course.
            1. AUL
              +1
              February 5 2024
              Quote: good_day
              During war, money doesn't matter at all.

              It is during war that money plays the most important role, especially hard currency. EMNIP, Napoleon said: “For war you need 3 things - money, money and more money!”
              In fact, they were just talking about post-war conversion industry.
              1. +1
                February 5 2024
                Quote from AUL
                Quote: good_day
                During war, money doesn't matter at all.

                It is during war that money plays the most important role, especially hard currency. EMNIP, Napoleon said: “For war you need 3 things - money, money and more money!”
                In fact, they were just talking about post-war conversion industry.

                One small clarification. Napoleon quoted Machiaveli.
                1. 0
                  February 6 2024
                  A tiny clarification, Machiavelli.
              2. +1
                February 6 2024
                That's what I meant. It's not worth saving. Let's live until victory, and then we'll see.
          3. +3
            February 5 2024
            Alexander Yurievich!
            In general, this is how it is; a significant increase in spending on defense production (and defense in general) is a double-edged sword. Everything that is then spent (spent) on the armed struggle, and not on sale abroad, is dead capital, so to speak. Therefore, a reasonable balance is very important in everything...
            1. AUL
              +3
              February 5 2024
              Quote: WFP-1
              Therefore, a reasonable balance is very important in everything...

              Agree! Unfortunately, we can only talk about balance in a period of peace. In wartime, everything is for the front, everything is for victory! But every war ends, in the end, in peace, and then the problem of transferring industry to peaceful lines arises. On the one hand, post-war devastation and poverty require maximum output of civilian products, and on the other, remember the situation of the USSR immediately after the Great Patriotic War! If they had relaxed with the defense industry then, they would have devoured the famous mother’s former allies! Therefore, balance here is a very delicate and ambiguous thing!
              1. +2
                February 5 2024
                Of course, however, problems should be solved through armed struggle only in cases where there is no other way (so that a military-political adventure does not happen). And in this sense too: “balance here is a very delicate and ambiguous thing!”
    2. +2
      February 5 2024
      Quote: svp67
      I really hope that the times of the USSR with its super-duper secrecy are over and that what is being developed and implemented in the military sphere will begin to enter the civilian sector in a simplified version.

      A simplified howitzer gun with a caliber of 152 mm will certainly be useful in agriculture. wink
      Although recently, in the world, the opposite trend has been observed. The massive impact of advanced commercial technologies on military affairs, both in terms of a sharp reduction in the cost of weapons long known to the military, and the emergence of completely new weapons.
  3. +2
    February 5 2024
    Commissions of “experts” wouldn’t prevent them from working
  4. 0
    February 5 2024
    This is all great, for the time being. It will end and that's what then. Infusions into the military-industrial complex will be curtailed, the West will begin to lift sanctions, and naturally ours will immediately rush to buy everything abroad, since we essentially have no protectionism. And everything will return to normal.
    1. +1
      February 5 2024
      “Nothing will return to normal.” The world has already changed and continues to change, and all this is irrevocable. New relationships are being built between countries, new financial and commodity flows. Even if all sanctions are lifted now, even then history cannot be turned back. This is also impossible, just as it is impossible to revive all those who died in the Northern Military District.
      Serious multi-year projects have been launched in industry - in aircraft and rocket engineering, in engine building, in the production of microelectronics, etc. Freezing and curtailing these projects would mean a loss of sovereignty, and not only in technical terms.
      1. +4
        February 6 2024
        “Nothing will return to normal.”
        I will answer you this way. Have you read the work of Nikolai Leskov - Lefty? This work was written in 1881 and essentially reflects the state of that era. I won’t retell it, you will be interested in reading it. And if you read it and transfer it to the historical events of our era, then I think you will understand that we are returning to this circle, or rather the rake, with enviable tenacity.
        1. 0
          February 6 2024
          I've read a lot of things in my life.
          And those who stand still do not step on the rake. And the fact that similar mistakes and problems are repeated does not mean that everything “returns to normal.” As they say, history moves not in a circle, but in a spiral.
          In addition, humans have not changed biologically over the last 10 thousand years (and maybe much more). I didn’t become smarter, but I accumulated a lot of knowledge and learned to use it (in general, this may have little relevance to an individual). And every person makes a lot of mistakes in his life (without this, no learning is possible), often repeating the mistakes of his fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers.
          1. 0
            February 6 2024
            And those who stand still do not step on the rake.

            I don’t agree, the country has been marking time for the last decades, but it is stepping on a rake, most likely with one foot in one rake and the other in another.
            As they say, history moves not in a circle, but in a spiral.

            It depends on how to draw this spiral and where to look at it from. Draw the shock absorber on a plane, side view is a spiral - top view is a circle.
            I didn’t become smarter, but I accumulated a lot of knowledge and learned to use it

            Someone saves, and someone degrades.
            We’ve become attached to the expression “back to normal”, good. Historical retrospective: in the West, for several centuries, Russia in all its guises (and we change the state shell almost like gloves) is perceived as an enemy (except when it is unprofitable), but the line remains unchanged. For us, the West is our friend, foreign countries will help us, then the West is our enemy, and so on in a circle.
            1. 0
              February 6 2024
              the country has been marking time for the last decades
              - well, if you don’t see any changes since 2000 or even 2010, then I’m sorry.
              1. +2
                February 6 2024
                - well, if you don’t see any changes since 2000 or even 2010, then I’m sorry.

                Are you talking about plaster??? Yes, it has changed for the better, but what is the content? Has the vector of state policy changed somehow? Vector of economic development? The basis of the economy: extracted, sent abroad, received foreign currency, bought what was needed. Since the beginning of the inauguration (the very first), GDP has been talking about independence, that it is necessary to move away from the raw materials economy, to increase the volume of industrial goods with added value in the export structure. To be technologically independent, but what is the end result? What do we have with population growth and its structure: as it was at the time of the collapse, the population was 146+ million people, for 35 years it has remained the same, only the structure is changing and not for the better, the indigenous population is dying out, being replaced by newcomers. Your changes that you are talking about are supposedly not visible to me: new buildings, cities have become more beautiful, new VAZ cars, about simple wages (doubtful, but okay), that they are paid on time - this is all good. 35 years of the Russian Federation, count 35 years from the formation of the USSR and compare. Where did you start, what did you go through and what did you come to over these 35 years? One country, through civil war, famine, repression and war, became an industrial giant and became a superpower. The other is a fragment of a superpower, which is not even able to produce “overshoes” (this is an ironic remark, if anything, and not a statement of fact, although who knows what will happen next)
  5. +4
    February 5 2024
    This summer full production should start. Until this moment, a considerable part of the Urals were completed Chinese bridges. After this, who will say that money for the military-industrial complex goes exclusively for military expenses?


    author, what are you talking about?
    Did you start launching Urals only in modern times?
    and in the Soviet - also Chinese bridges?
    why write this nonsense - this is not the audience
    1. +3
      February 6 2024
      It’s such nonsense that the Ural Automobile Plant has allocated 2021 BILLION in 15 to localize the production of truck axles. Because, suddenly, I bought them from China after the “optimization of production” in the tenth years.
      Before you spit bile, you should first check what the author is writing about.
  6. +6
    February 5 2024
    The release of the Su-34 fighter-bomber and the Tu-214 passenger aircraft have completely different effects on the economy.
    The example is not entirely successful. Taking into account the sharp increase in breakdowns on civil aircraft, due to the lack of spare parts and normal service, the production of passenger aircraft is already a necessity. Here, in general, you can lose an entire industry - God forbid, planes start crashing, our airlines simply won’t have anything to fly with
  7. +1
    February 5 2024
    Once there was an article and they wrote that the country stopped producing 122-mm shells several years ago.
    1. +4
      February 5 2024
      The country stopped producing 122-mm shells several years ago.

      But in the DPRK the main caliber is 122mm, there are photos with various North Korean self-propelled guns of 122mm caliber. The 152mm self-propelled gun was first seen at the parade only in 2018; the rest of the 152mm self-propelled guns were towed. There was a note with a photo of a railway train where outdated towed 122mm howitzers were being transported from the Far East to the Northern Military District zone. So everything is fine with 122mm shells. According to satellite intelligence, South Korean intelligence claims that last year alone, more than 2 containers were delivered to Russia by sea, which is equivalent to 000 2mm shells. And there is also a railway, and if you transport it at night, the satellites will not detect it. For the DPRK, supplies of military equipment are very profitable because This is the most “living” industry in North Korea and, in conditions of a shortage of foreign currency, makes it possible to obtain the necessary resources from Russia. Therefore, until the SVO ends, they will supply to the maximum, naturally without compromising their own safety.
  8. +12
    February 5 2024
    Good article, optimistic!!! But there is one BUT that cannot be ignored. This BUT is called the CENTRAL BANK and its managers. With a key rate of 16%, without preferential rates for ALL production workers, there can be no talk of any growth in civilian production and technology. Add to this high tax rates and energy tariffs, and in general everything becomes sad.
    The current growth of the military-industrial complex is associated only with manual control and the direct injection of oil funds into this industry. This, of course, is not bad, as an emergency measure, but in the future, if nothing radically changes, no fundamental changes will occur in our raw materials economy.
    1. +1
      February 5 2024
      This is some kind of historical scourge for us, we don’t know how to monetize victories
  9. +2
    February 5 2024
    Good afternoon colleagues, 2023 “the year of mobilization and restructuring of production” Bismarck said: “Russians harness for a long time” (c)
  10. 0
    February 5 2024
    The release of the Su-34 fighter-bomber and the Tu-214 passenger aircraft have completely different effects on the economy.
    The existence of the first (among other things) allows the second to earn money.
  11. +2
    February 5 2024
    We will not know the true growth rates of the Russian defense industry in figures and facts during the period of the special military operation.

    That's right.
    .Russia will strengthen its defense capabilities against the backdrop of instability in the world. The President noted that to achieve this goal, it is planned to upgrade the main types of weapons by 2020% by 70, Interfax reports.
    This statement was made today, February 23, 2013, by Russian President Vladimir Putin....

    In January 2021, Shoigu said:
    “Today everyone - some with anger, some with approval - understands and states that the Russian army has more than 70%, or more precisely, almost 71% of modern weapons and equipment. This is the highest percentage among all the armies of the world,” Shoigu said on Wednesday at a meeting with the team of the Rostvertol company.

    From the author:
    ...We can say that 2022 was a time of forced and emergency decisions, 2023 - mobilization and restructuring of production, 2024 - a systematic and large-scale build-up of military production....

    Am I the only one with logic, or how should I perceive the above statements?
  12. +3
    February 5 2024
    By decree of the President, in 18 strategic supplies of raw materials were made, and in 22 the SVO began.
    The Russian Armed Forces did not bang their heads against the wall and bypassed the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the DPR-LPR that had been built up over the years, liberated significant territories and reached the outskirts of Kyiv in Boryspil.
    The summer counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces pushed back the Russian Armed Forces and the war took on a positional character.
    The Russian Armed Forces had problems with ammunition, which resulted in an armed march of the Wagner PMC to Moscow.
    Half a year later, the SVO announced partial mobilization, removed 300 thousand specialists from the economy and critically aggravated the personnel problem. The use of UAVs against the President of Venezuela and the assassination of General Soleimani with the help of a UAV did not lead to conclusions about the massive use of UAVs among the troops, which indicates miscalculations by the Advanced Weapons Directorate and the General Staff.
    The transition of the military industry of the Russian Federation to round-the-clock operation allowed the Russian economy to reach 1st place in Europe and maintain a balance with the supply of NATO weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in the event of a transition of NATO industry to a military footing, the existing balance will be disrupted and not in favor of the Russian Federation.
    On the one hand, there emerges a mutual desire of NATO and the Russian Federation not to take matters to extremes and to end the war with a separate truce, but on the other hand, NATO is tempted to exhaust the Russian Federation economically.
    1. +1
      February 5 2024
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      but if NATO industry switches to a military footing, the existing balance will be disrupted and not in favor of the Russian Federation.

      This is certainly true. But they still need to move on to these military footings. But how will Europe, for example, do this if they now don’t even have enough money to subsidize their own farmers to compensate for expensive fuel and fertilizer? How will they promote their production if right now this same production is fleeing from Europe to where there are better resources? How will they promote production in the USA if they themselves transferred it all to China, and put it on their rust belt no worse than ours?
      In general, I am confident that they can do this, theoretically, if they can explain to their population why they need to tighten their belts very much.
      Well, the icing on the cake here is the most likely outcome of all these promotions of the military-industrial complex, namely the nullification of all this with the help of thermonuclear, and from all sides.
  13. +4
    February 5 2024
    Everyone forgets about the multiplier effect, based on the fact that entire clusters of subcontractors are involved in the production of tanks and other military equipment. Many of which can now invest abundant proceeds in expanding production and major modernization.


    A civilian truck carries cargo that creates additional added value. A military truck also consumes diesel and consumables as part of maintenance, but that’s where its participation in the economy ends.

    When the special operation is over, a wide range of companies will have a powerful production base. Quite competitive in both domestic and foreign markets. And this is not to mention the reputation of Russian weapons, the growth of exports of which is inevitable after the victorious end of the Northern Military District.


    When the special operation is over, all the deferred problems will emerge: crumbling utility networks, underfunded healthcare, education, roads. And also the restoration of new territories...
    It would be good if the military-industrial complex is financed at the level of 2021.
    Foreign customers? Half of the military-industrial complex's revenue came from the sale of aircraft, here SVO can be considered as anti-advertising - as far as I know, not a single aircraft has crossed the ribbon since April 2022. The fleet is also anti-advertising, but from the same submarines, for example, Severodvinsk lives.
    T-90m tanks performed well, Lancets performed very well, but they are relatively cheap.
    Every year it will be more and more difficult for Russia to return to the arms market - competitors will occupy the vacated niches and they will have to be conquered.

    I would like to believe that it will be different, but this is the realistic scenario.
    1. 0
      February 5 2024
      Yes, Ivan, everything is logical...
  14. +1
    February 5 2024
    The author correctly raises the question - the growth of the military-industrial complex is dragging forward a whole universe of related industries. One condition is important - the released equipment should not be knocked out, at the expense of the enemy or due to low quality, otherwise you simply won’t get enough. If the equipment is reliable, then there will be enough money, and the army’s equipment will be normal. We need to increase where we are lagging behind, communications, target designation, space. The author is also right that the growth of the military-industrial complex stimulates the development of high-tech industries. The article is a big plus!
  15. 0
    February 5 2024
    This is not to say that the armored personnel carrier cannot earn money.
    Remember 2 years ago Fr. Russian (Vladivostok) was cut off from the ground due to icing of the bridge.
    If there had been an equipment storage base and 100-300 armored personnel carriers on the island, there would have been no problems. The roof of an armored personnel carrier holds up well against falling ice, and driver training and equipment storage are the responsibility of local authorities. Just give me the money.
  16. 0
    February 5 2024
    ... can now invest abundant proceeds in expanding production and major modernization.

    Purely “military” enterprises attract hundreds and thousands of contractors, who are not always engaged exclusively in defense issues. Surplus income from defense orders is invested in updating the fleet of machine tools and other infrastructure. When the special operation is over, a wide range of companies will have a powerful production base.

    Eugene! Your article is just a balm among a huge amount of criticism.

    But about quotes from the article...
    The proceeds can be invested in expanding production if there is profit in this revenue.
    If there is excess profit from fulfilling a defense order, or as you write, excess income, then this sounds strange.
    Federal procurement laws, tenders, auctions... This is to save state funds. If some private owner, Abramovich, for example, won the right to supply food for all Rosgvardeytsev, then he offered the lowest price while maintaining the requirements for quality, regularity of fulfillment, places of shipment, etc.
    I'm exaggerating, but something like this...
    After the contract is concluded, it was signed by representatives of the customer, a number was assigned to it, the contractor began to execute it, controllers may appear. Who need to make sure that the contract was concluded on a legal basis, that the contractor performs it efficiently, and that the terms of the tender complied with the law. And after the contract is executed by both parties and the completion documents are signed, the prosecutor’s supervision or the Investigative Committee can begin an inspection.
    What kind of extra income are you writing about if, a year after the completion of the contract for the supply of boards for the needs of the Armed Forces, the contract executors can be held accountable for inflated prices? The contract was concluded. The contract was fulfilled. The contract was fulfilled. The calculations were signed.
    And after a while, the executors of the contract, and these are not only fat businessmen, but also the workers who sawed the logs into planks, asked, “Oh, how expensive! They caused 40 million in damage to the country.” 40 million is the contract amount. If you write that the lowest price then was not 40 million, but 39 million, then there will be no loud news.
    And the questions are not directed to the customer’s representatives, but to these businessmen who are building their own mansions with state money.
    It was emotional.
    But about excess income from contracts with the state - this is about those who can now not publish income declarations. And not about those who do not even belong to medium-sized enterprises.
  17. +2
    February 5 2024
    The author said nothing about planning military production. It is? or not? Why hasn’t the State Planning Committee been introduced yet? Not only in the military industry, but also in civilian production. Who remembered about investing in military production? Why so late? Why does our (or not our) Central Bank work against production growth? Who will answer these questions? I understand that the authorities are ashamed to answer them. In order to win the war with the West and the United States, it is necessary to nationalize the main means of production without stopping them. Create GOSPLAN, Gossnab, according to the principle of the USSR. Make public investments in the creation of new industries and modernization of existing ones, and do not forget about the development of science and scientific personnel. The state must again take upon itself the preparation of qualified workers by organizing vocational schools. This is the only way to win this war and truly turn Russia into a world leader.
    1. 0
      February 6 2024
      “planning military production. It is? or not?"

      And yes - state defense order, and no.
      1. State formation still has a controlling stake in strategically important sectors of production and finance - gas industry, savings bank, etc., etc.
      2. Unpredictable wooden somersaults and inflation targeting predetermine the main income of systemically important monopolies not in the domestic, but in the foreign market - trade with the enemy even during war (energy, metals, grain, fertilizers, military equipment)


      “Why haven’t GOSPLAN been introduced yet?”

      Gosplan presupposes public ownership of the means of production and a state monopoly on foreign trade, and this is a different social system.
      Even the Communist Party of the Russian Federation does not set a goal to change it so as not to provoke a civil war and the collapse of state education into separate fiefdoms of wealthy people
      “Right is the will of the ruling class, elevated to law”


      “Who remembered about investing in military production?”

      State formation is the political organization of the economically dominant class
      The military industry is paid for from the state budget, i.e. taxes of the population, but protects the interests of the ruling class both within the state formation and outside it.


      “Why is our (or not our) Central Bank working against production growth?”

      Just as being determines consciousness, so the social system determines the policy of the main bank.
      Market relations presuppose the abandonment of state (public) property and government regulation, market (speculative) pricing, and free cross-border movement of goods and capital.
      The Russian Federation does not fully meet Western concepts of a free market, and therefore the RSPP singers call for a reduction in the share of state property (a new wave of privatization), market, spontaneous - demand creates supply, regulation of the economy, free (speculative) pricing, etc., etc. etc., which inevitably leads to the subordination of state education to a handful of major capitalists, and the government will be reduced to a weak-willed executor of the will of big capital


      “it is necessary to nationalize the main means of production without stopping them”

      Capitalists will fight to the death for their property, and this means civil war and the collapse of state formation.
  18. +4
    February 5 2024
    I thought it would be a useful article in which they would write a specific number of models of equipment released in 2023, ala 500 T-80bvm tanks, but in fact it’s just another balabolka with multiples of numbers several times the arithmetic progression
  19. +1
    February 5 2024
    It’s still unclear with the coalition. Some high-ranking officials say that it has already been put into production and has begun to be supplied to the army. The Moscow Region says that they are “playing the fool.” What is actually happening with this self-propelled gun that the army needs so much now?
  20. +2
    February 6 2024
    There is a nuance to these theses. If in the West the military-industrial complex and GDP are growing because in Ukraine Russians are killing Russians, and this is good for them, then in Russia the military-industrial complex and GDP are growing due to the fact that their own people are killing their own. And that's bad. It would be better if they grew here because the Anglo-Saxons killed the Anglo-Saxons.
  21. 0
    February 7 2024
    The volume of work done by domestic specialists is enormous. Just like the work of a domestic Russian Specialist, starting from an ordinary worker and above, cannot be compared with anything!!! In the name of defense of the Motherland!!! Well, control should be handled by persons carrying out their work activities within the framework of official duties good drinks
  22. 0
    February 8 2024
    Quote: Dutchman Michel
    They were removed from TV and radio broadcasting,

    How did these cultural figures turn out to be to blame for the fact that our industry was not ready for SVO? Maybe these figures are not to blame, but someone else?
  23. 0
    February 9 2024
    The Kaluga GT engine is a headache for Uralvagonzavod. If they give the power 1350-1400 “horses”, then the T-80 will become even faster than it was, and its throttle response was already much better than that of a diesel engine. Wangyu, UVZ will use all its administrative resources to strangle its competitor.
    1. 0
      February 9 2024
      The T-80 fighter is Uralvagonzavod. For a long time now everything has been Uralvagonzavod. What planet are you from?
  24. 0
    February 9 2024
    Some aircraft are being put into continuous production. We are talking about the Il-76MD-90A, the future main workhorse of transport aviation in the Northern Military District. Work on equipping the production areas should be completed in February.
    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

    Author, what are you talking about? IL-76 has been in production for several years now.
  25. 0
    February 11 2024
    In the fifties and sixties, “sleeping” beacons (or benchmarks) were installed, designed to accurately target strategists. They had to be activated at the moment "X". Why not use the same principle at the front in our time? Small-sized beacons can even be scattered by drones, with their exact location recorded. Further, for example, a reconnaissance drone in the area of ​​work, having detected a target, activates beacons in its area with its transmitter. The reconnaissance operator, using the grid of his screen, sees the exact location of the target relative to the beacon and aims the weapon... The beacon is a consumable item and must be equipped with a self-liquidator.
  26. 0
    March 2 2024
    The military-industrial complex and the army (navy, etc.) armed with it have a very important function in the national economy: they produce security. What would a person be worth without an immune system?!

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