Japanese rifle with an English accent

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Japanese rifle with an English accent

As the outstanding writer and philosopher Ernst Junger once said: “Books and bullets have their own destinies.” Agreeing with him, it is worth noting that fates worthy of a separate book also happen to firearms. weapons.

Some rifles, in their very first battle, end up buried forever in the ground, where they will remain until they turn into rusty dust. Others, produced at the same plant and at the same time, will go through hundreds of battles in two world wars and several local wars. And even the survivors ultimately face different ends - a melting pot and disposal, a peaceful retirement in a museum display case, or the caring hands of a collector.



In this article, as an example of such adventures of individual weapons, we will take history one of the rarest modifications of the Arisaka rifle Type 30 and Type 38, namely a variant chambered for the British cartridge British 303.

The background to the appearance of such an unusual combination of a Japanese rifle and a British cartridge is quite interesting.

Back in 1914, in connection with general mobilization in the Russian Empire, a shortage of rifles began to be acutely felt. Arming the rear units and militia with outdated Berdan rifles did not solve the problem, and its own production was not able to cover the large losses: losing about 100-150 thousand rifles every month, or even more, the country produced no more than 50 thousand units over the same period. Despite the fact that it was not possible to quickly increase production, and it took time to launch the production of Mosin rifles at factories in the USA.

In such a difficult situation, a decision was made to purchase rifles abroad. According to the original plan, the first thing planned was to buy back from Japan all the captured “three-line aircraft” remaining after the Russo-Japanese War. However, a special commission that arrived in the Land of the Rising Sun quickly found out that Japan had simply disposed of unnecessary trophies.

And yet, the former enemies who became allies in the world war found a way out: already in October 1914, the Russian Empire began to purchase surplus weapons from Japan.


Militias of the Russian Imperial Army with Japanese rifles

In total, during the First World War, over 820 thousand Arisaks of various modifications entered service with the Russian Imperial Army, and about 100 thousand were transferred from England as allied assistance.

It is important to note that most of these rifles, especially the Type 30 model, were not produced from scratch for Russia, but were sold from the warehouses of the Imperial Japanese Army.

Thus, many rifles were far from new, some of them were even used during the Russo-Japanese War against their new owners. Therefore, it was initially planned to use “foreign cars” only as a replacement for domestic ones in the rear units and in navy, thereby freeing up the Mosinki for the front.

But in the end, the “Japanese” carried active service on the front line, and ammunition for them was produced both at Russian factories and ordered abroad, including in the UK.

The Civil War that began after the 1917 revolution scatters Arisaki throughout the territory of the former empire. They are used everywhere, both white and red, on all fronts: from Petrograd to the Far East, from Omsk to Crimea.

Also, tens of thousands of these rifles from the arsenals of the Baltic Fleet and rear depots end up in Finland. For some time they served in the Finnish army, but by 1928 the Finns resolved the issue of their own production of Mosin rifles and sold the remnants of their Arisak stocks to Estonia, which had used them to a limited extent before.


Finnish White Guards with Arisaks

Actually, this moment was decisive for the birth of the “Britishized Arisaka.”

In the late 20s and early 30s, the Baltic countries, including Estonia, actively cooperated with Great Britain in the arms sector. From 1929 to 1935, the Estonian government actively purchased British Enfield P14 rifles chambered for 303 British. For the purpose of unification, as well as due to the depletion of stocks of 6,5x50 mm Arisaka cartridges, the Estonians decide to convert the available Japanese rifles to the British cartridge.

According to researchers, including the famous weapons expert Ian McCollum, no more than 25 thousand rifles were converted in total, with most of them being Type 38 (“Arisaka” model 1905) and only a small number were surviving Type 30 (“ Arisaka" model 1897). The converted weapons served in rear units and police units.


Estonian militia with Japanese rifles and British helmets

In 1939, all Estonian arsenals were captured by the Red Army, including a number of modernized “Japanese” weapons that survived until that time. So the Arisaki, once purchased by the Russian Empire, returned to Russia again.

However, they could hardly be called a valuable acquisition - most of the rifles were actively used for 30 years, in addition, they used a British cartridge that was extremely uncommon at that time in the USSR - there was more Japanese ammunition in warehouses. They were saved from disposal only by the fact that at that moment the Soviet Union was actively fighting with Finland, and the rifles were sent for conservation, just in case.

And the opportunity has come.

In 1941, the “Estonian Arisaki” and their cartridges were transferred to the Crimea to arm the newly formed partisan detachments. Alas, today the exact quantity of weapons transferred is unknown, just as it is not known for certain how effective the use of Arisak was in the Crimean forests.

However, according to indirect evidence, it can be assumed that most of these rifles were lost or abandoned by partisans in 1941–1942: a high degree of wear and tear and the inability to regularly replenish ammunition greatly reduced their combat value. As a result, most of these rifles that have survived to this day are of archaeological origin, and were found in partisan caches and abandoned at campsites.


A stamp with the hieroglyphic inscription “Type 30” on a rifle found during search work in the Crimean mountains

Having learned such an unusual history of the conversion of a rifle, you inevitably begin to regret that iron cannot speak. After all, it turns out that some of the Arisakas, having begun their combat career during the Russo-Japanese War, ten years after it ended up on the battlefields of the First World War in the hands of a Russian soldier.

Then those who survived and did not perish in the crucible of the Civil War took part in the formation of the Finnish state, and after that they moved to Estonia, where they underwent a number of changes and served faithfully for many years. After which those who remained returned to Russia again and went to the warm and sunny Crimea to fight the Germans in World War II.

Yes, a story from one of these old Japanese ladies would be extremely interesting!
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  1. 0
    3 February 2024 05: 08
    ...And yet, the former enemies who became allies in the world war found a way out: already in October 1914, the Russian Empire began to purchase surplus weapons from Japan.
    In total, during the First World War, over 820 thousand Arisaks of various modifications entered service with the Russian Imperial Army, and about 100 thousand were transferred from England as allied assistance...
    - how touchingly it is written about our beloved allies, the small Britons.
    In October 1914, the outstanding Russian gunsmith Fedorov obtained from the Japanese a contract for the supply of 120 thousand Arisakas to Russia. The British found out about this and they had a problem that they did not miss. The small-shavers pressed 120 thousand. Arisak went to England. The British didn’t really need these Arisakis and stayed with them until 1916. In 1916, the British gave us 100 thousand. Arisak in three roads. It's called allied assistance.
    PS. In 1915, my grandfather, due to the lack of rifles from the Tsar Father, went to the front with a muzzle-loading capsule gun from the Crimean War era. Because they didn’t even get Berdanok. Grandfather considered that they were lucky because others had sticks with bayonets.
    P.P.S. I’m waiting for the indignant cries of admirers of bread crunches, for whom everything was fine under the Tsar Father.
    1. +2
      3 February 2024 05: 24
      Quote: Old electrician
      Grandfather believed that they were lucky because others had sticks with bayonets

      This makes no sense
      1. +3
        3 February 2024 06: 18
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Grandfather believed that they were lucky because others had sticks with bayonets

        This makes no sense

        It doesn't look much like the truth.
        But I had to shoot from the Arisaka, my great-grandfather and grandfather had three of them.
        A very unremarkable product, much worse than our KO-44. Although I was still a kid then, I saw the difference.
        1. -5
          3 February 2024 06: 29
          Quote: tihonmarine
          my great-grandfather and grandfather had three

          Did your great-grandfather expect a new war? wink wink
          1. +10
            3 February 2024 07: 03
            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            my great-grandfather and grandfather had three

            Did your great-grandfather expect a new war?

            In Transbaikalia, each family having a large number of trunks was a common occurrence. And minus for you.
            1. -3
              3 February 2024 07: 34
              Quote: tihonmarine
              And minus for you

              To you too
              1. +8
                3 February 2024 07: 36
                Quote: Dutchman Michel
                And minus for you

                To you too

                Reasonably, I personally am for it.
                1. +2
                  3 February 2024 07: 36
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  I personally am for it.

                  And me too
                  1. 0
                    3 February 2024 07: 44
                    Quote: Dutchman Michel
                    I personally am for it.

                    And me too

                    Well, okay, have a nice day.
          2. +7
            3 February 2024 07: 11
            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            Did your great-grandfather expect a new war?

            According to Amur in the 60s, we did not have very good relations with the Chinese, everything could be expected from them, there were a lot of provocations on their part. So small arms were always needed.
      2. +2
        3 February 2024 09: 25
        Dutchman Michel (Michel) +2
        Today, 05: 24
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        Quote: Old electrician
        Grandfather believed that they were lucky because others had sticks with bayonets
        This makes no sense

        Kaya, I understand that you didn’t bother to read Fedorov’s book “In Search of Weapons.” Let me explain the word “nonsense” to you.
        In 1914, the production of rifles in Russia was actually stopped, because the GUGSh considered that 4559000 rifles were enough for the war with existing reserves of 4290400 pieces. At the same time, the size of the army, which required rifles, when brought under martial law, was approximately 4900000 soldiers.
        Once again, spelling it out:
        -according to the mobilization plan, 4900000 people were supposed to be shaved.
        - mobilization reserves for 4900000 people amounted to 4290400 units.
        Those. According to the mobilization plans of the Tsar Father, 609600 people were already planned. no rifles.
        This is full-fledged monarchical nonsense!
        The shortage of 609600 rifles seemed insufficient. According to the proposal of the commission formed at the GUGSH on the distribution of mobilization reserves, the surplus of 400000 Berdankas were turned into hunting rifles or scrap, so that, as a representative of state control insisted on this, “not to uselessly clutter up the already burdened artillery warehouses” and not to waste money for lubrication and cleaning of surplus rifles. In total, only 363,019 thousand Berdanoks remain in warehouses.
        In fact, after the start of the war, more than 5 million were mobilized and the shortage of rifles immediately amounted to about 800 thousand. Berdanki ran out almost immediately after the start of mobilization and the warriors went to the front unarmed.
        As we can see, from the first days of the war, a small polar fox loomed in front of the Russian army. Remind me what it's called? Just one example. In the Naroch operation of Russian troops in March 1916, there were 23807 soldiers, i.e. 7% of the total number of the Western Front did not have rifles. A full-fledged division of that time was 22 thousand people.
        Quote from Fedorov V.G. “In Search of Weapons” about the situation at the front in 1915:
        ...Meanwhile, the situation with weapons in the troops of the North-Western Front was, in my opinion, desperate. There were 57 divisions on this front, but the shortage of rifles reached a huge figure of 320 thousand. In other words, 21 divisions were listed only on paper!

        The fact that, according to numerous recollections, at the front there was one rifle for five people is not an anecdote, but a reality of life. And my grandfather was really lucky that he went to the front not with a stick, but with a gun!
        In just three years of war, 17,7 million rifles were required, including:
        - about 5 million for the army upon completion of its mobilization;
        - for subsequent calls during the war - about 5,5 million;
        - to replenish the loss of 200000 per month during three years of war - about 7,2 million.
        For 1914–1917 3286232 rifles were manufactured in the Russian Empire, 289431 were repaired. About 2 million were purchased abroad and captured. In total, with pre-war reserves, there are just over 12 million rifles, a shortage of approximately 5 million.
        At one time, Catherine the Great issued a decree that guns should be stored in warehouses for 100 years. Those. muzzle-loading smoothbore percussion rifles from the Crimean War era were supposed to be stored until 1956.
        My grandfather simply did not suspect the existence of Catherine’s decree. And since he went to the front with a smoothbore capsule gun, it is obvious that no one canceled Catherine’s decree.
        1. -1
          3 February 2024 11: 02
          Quote: Old electrician
          Kaya, I understand, you didn’t bother to read Fedorov’s book “In Search of Weapons”

          I can imagine which Fedorov you are talking about, although I admit I haven’t read his books. But we should not forget that this book was written after the revolution and even the Second World War, when it was customary to vilify everything that happened under the old regime. Scolding tsarism was a pearl in all post-revolutionary literature and Fedorov is no exception here, although I admit that there may have been a shortage of rifles, just as there was a “shell famine”, because, as always, they were preparing for the wrong war
    2. +7
      3 February 2024 09: 23
      Fedorov described those events differently.
      The British were ahead of the Russian delegation.
      They took advantage of their connections in Japan.
      And the British purchased rifles to make up for the loss of rifles from the Navy's reserves.
      The Navy gave its rifles to the Ground Army.
      Later, realizing the uselessness of rifles on combat ships, the British gave these Japanese rifles to Russia.
      1. -2
        3 February 2024 12: 02
        And the British purchased rifles to make up for the loss of rifles from the Navy's reserves.
        The Navy gave its rifles to the Ground Army.
        Later, realizing the uselessness of rifles on warships, the British gave these Japanese rifles to Russia.
        – Do you seriously believe in this Anglo-Saxon romantic blizzard? I have no doubt that you also believe in the existence of Santa Claus and that the stork brings children.
        Faith in the nobility of the Anglo-Saxon allies is the ideological core that makes a person unbending. An example of modernity. Great Ze, for example, is firmly convinced that the Anglo-Saxons will definitely not abandon him. From the memoirs of the English ambassador to Russia, the ardent Russophobe Sir Buchanan:
        ... The palace coup was discussed openly, and at dinner at the embassy one of my Russian friends, who held a high position in the government, informed me that the only question was whether both the emperor and the empress would be killed, or only the last ...
        – you will be surprised, but Buchanan’s interlocutor was not Grandfather Lenin at all.
        The only thing that our noble allies failed to do was urinate on the corpses of members of the royal family.
        1. +3
          3 February 2024 12: 51
          Royal family???
          Or the bodies of ordinary civilians?
          Didn’t the king renounce the throne and become an ordinary citizen, like his family members?
    3. +4
      3 February 2024 10: 27
      In October 1914, the outstanding Russian gunsmith Fedorov obtained from the Japanese a contract for the supply of 120 thousand Arisakas to Russia. The British found out about this and they had a problem that they did not miss. The small-shavers pressed 120 thousand. Arisak went to England. The British didn’t really need these Arisakis and stayed with them until 1916. In 1916, the British gave us 100 thousand. Arisak in three roads. It's called allied assistance.

      You wrote, sorry for the directness, nonsense.
      At the beginning of the war, the British army, just like the Russian one, was faced with a shortage of rifles. Moreover, the problem was so serious that recruits were given SMLE No.1 Dummy Practice Rifle models instead of rifles for the training period. Therefore, in 1915, Britain purchased approximately 150 rifles from Japan. 000 were transferred to the Royal Navy, the rest were armed with 50 infantry regiments.
      Since the British gradually resolved the issue of supplying rifles, in the same 1915 the British transferred 61 Japanese rifles and 000 cartridges to Russia. In 18, another 000 rifles and 000 cartridges were transferred to Russia.
      Source - book by A.P. Zalyubovsky “Supplying the Russian Army in the Great War of 1914 - 1918 with rifles, machine guns, revolvers and cartridges for them” Belgrade, 1936.
      1. 0
        3 February 2024 11: 50
        You wrote, sorry for the directness, nonsense.
        At the beginning of the war, the British army, just like the Russian one, was faced with a shortage of rifles. Moreover, the problem was so serious that recruits were given SMLE No.1 Dummy Practice Rifle models instead of rifles for the training period. Therefore, in 1915, Britain purchased approximately 150 rifles from Japan. 000 were transferred to the Royal Navy, the rest were armed with 50 infantry regiments.
        Since the British gradually resolved the issue of supplying rifles, in the same 1915.
        - At least I’m writing nonsense, but honestly, whereas you’re just lying.
        My message talks about 120 thousand Arisaks intercepted by England in October 1914. Fedorov V.G. "In Search of Weapons":
        ...The decision of the Japanese government to throw a pathetic “Mexican sop” to the Russian army [35 thousand Arisak under Mauser 7 mm. cartridge with 200 rounds per rifle] was explained by behind-the-scenes considerations, which we learned about completely by accident. One evening a man in the uniform of a captain of the Russian Voluntary Fleet entered our hotel room. And this is what he told us.
        Having brought his ship from Russia to the Japanese port of Yokohama, the captain went ashore and, out of boredom, wandered into one of the port taverns. There he whiled away the time among the English and French sailors, who decided to celebrate the departure of their ships with new cargo to Europe with copious libations. Explaining to them in that international jargon, which consists of an improvised mixture of all the languages ​​of the world, the Russian captain heard things that deeply interested him. The English and French ship's crews had just finished hastily loading weapons - such long boxes with rifles in them. They said that Russia asked for these rifles, but the Japanese did not give it to them, now all this will go to England and France. The sailors mocked and made fun of their Russian colleague...
        The captain of the Voluntary Fleet hurried to us in Tokyo to convey this amazing news. We, of course, took measures to immediately check the captain's message. Indeed, just in those days when our attention was entirely absorbed in the Mexican epic, in the port of Yokohama the Arisaka rifles we had been trying to achieve unsuccessfully for several weeks were being hastily loaded onto English and French ships.
        Japan hid from us that it primarily helped England and France. We were on our last legs, the most insignificant crumbs and scraps were thrown at us. Such was the reward for the premature transition of Russian troops to the offensive in order to draw back German forces from the Anglo-French front! Instead of helping, the “allies” intercepted from the Russians even the weapons that we had been coveting for so long in Japan.

        What does the purchase of Arisak by the British in 1915 have to do with the topic of this conversation?
        1. +2
          3 February 2024 13: 14
          What does the purchase of Arisak by the British in 1915 have to do with the topic of this conversation?

          Because these are the same rifles.
          1. -3
            3 February 2024 15: 05
            Dekabrist (Victor) 0
            Today, 13: 14
            New
            What does the purchase of Arisak by the British in 1915 have to do with the topic of this conversation?

            Because these are the same rifles.

            This is a classic:
            ...He stole some kind of fur coat or something like that...
            - You are mistaken, Countess; Sergeev did not steal anything, but on the contrary: his fur coat was stolen.
            - Well, it makes absolutely no difference whether he stole it or was stolen from him...
            The main thing is that he was involved in a nasty business...
        2. +4
          3 February 2024 13: 29
          while you're just lying

          You should hold back your emotions. After all, there are other sources in history besides the memories of visitors to the taverns at the seaside.
      2. -5
        3 February 2024 12: 25
        Quote: Dekabrist
        book by A.P. Zalyubovsky “Supplying the Russian Army during the Great War of 1914 - 1918 with rifles, machine guns, revolvers and cartridges for them” Belgrade, 1936.

        Citing the emigrant press as a source is, to put it mildly, indecent. Until 1933, emigrant publications were paid for by the British, after 1933 mainly by Goebbels. These are obvious enemies of Russia.
        1. +3
          3 February 2024 12: 55
          Citing the emigrant press as a source is, to put it mildly, indecent.

          It is indecent to shake the air. Can you refute Zalyubovsky and Manikovsky with documents?
          1. -3
            3 February 2024 14: 54
            Dekabrist (Victor) 0
            Today, 12: 55
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            Citing the emigrant press as a source is, to put it mildly, indecent.

            It is indecent to shake the air. Can you refute Zalyubovsky and Manikovsky with documents?
            - Excuse me, but what needs to be refuted without shaking the air?
            In 1915, the British purchased Arisaki from the Japanese - the rainbow flag was in their hands! Well done! What does this have to do with the fact that in October 1914 the same British simply out of meanness interrupted the Russian order for Arisaki?
            1. +5
              3 February 2024 16: 13
              No one interrupted orders. 150 (some sources say 000) - these are all Japanese rifles received by Great Britain from Japan in late 120 - early 000. The Japanese had a limited number of rifles and could not satisfy all orders at once. The French and British were the first to turn. No one “interrupted” anything from anyone.
          2. -3
            3 February 2024 21: 48
            Quote: Dekabrist
            It is indecent to shake the air. Can you refute Zalyubovsky and Manikovsky with documents?

            Well, yes, of course, I immediately believed that a certain Zalyubovsky, in 1936, sitting in some wretched Belgrade, had free access to Russian, Japanese and British archives. And of course I carefully checked each of my numbers. Probably on the Internet. Here you also quote Rezun-Suvorov, a “source” of the same level. wassat

            You need to wash your hands after such “sources”.
            1. +3
              3 February 2024 22: 19
              That is, you cannot say anything specific. Pure shock of air. Nothing else was expected.
              1. -1
                4 February 2024 06: 14
                Dekabrist (Victor) +2
                Yesterday, 22: 19
                New
                That is, you cannot say anything specific. Pure shock of air. Nothing else was expected.
                - Sorry, but no one else is shaking the air except you. You have not provided a single piece of evidence that in October 1914 the noble Anglo-Saxons did not play tricks on Russia and did not intercept the order for Arisaki.
                I appreciate your devotion to the Anglo-Saxons, but I do not share it. An operation of this kind, like a dirty trick on the allies, is not the kind that is written about in the newspapers. Its stamp in the English archives is at least secret. The British would be complete idiots if they allowed Zalyubovsky to have access to such information. In addition, Zalyubovsky literally had no access to English and Japanese archives at all. All he had was only incomplete domestic archives. Therefore, the reference to Zalyubovsky’s authority is classic propaganda blah blah blah. See screenshot.
              2. -1
                4 February 2024 21: 55
                Quote: Dekabrist
                That is, you cannot say anything specific. Pure shock of air. Nothing else was expected.

                That is, it doesn’t bother you at all that you are advertising here the Russian SS Security Corps, formed by the Germans from precisely these very odorous “sources” in Belgrade? Do you take your readers for fools? Do you quote the latest White Guard rabble and feel right?

                Maybe you should go to Ukrainian sites? There, your galloping comrades will welcome such sources with a bang.
                1. 0
                  4 February 2024 22: 26
                  Dear, you are causing an incredible blizzard. An obvious clinic against the backdrop of turbo-patriotism. At least get acquainted with the biography of the mentioned persons.
                  1. +1
                    5 February 2024 08: 31
                    Dekabrist (Victor) 0
                    Yesterday, 22: 26
                    Dear, you are causing an incredible blizzard. An obvious clinic against the backdrop of turbo-patriotism. At least get acquainted with the biography of the mentioned persons.

                    There is such a profession - a propagandist for the Washington Regional Committee. The propagandist of the Washington Regional Committee is a symbol of honesty, impartiality and selflessness in serving the US State Department. Propagandist of the Washington Regional Committee is cool. I even envy people like you a little, working for State Department cookies. Therefore, I understand you perfectly - not the slightest speck on the white uniform of our noble allies is unacceptable. Nevertheless, I am tormented by vague doubts: - Shpak has a tape recorder, the ambassador has a medallion, Zalyubovsky has Arisaki...
                    You display the nobility of the allies by repeatedly flaunting a useless reference to Zalyubovsky. I got acquainted. Half of Zalyubovsky’s skinny brochure (it would be hard to call 125 pages a monograph even if you were hungover) is devoted to personal memories and memories of colleagues. In the remaining part there is not even a hint of analysis of foreign purchases of rifles by other countries. Therefore, I have a question for the studio. On which page of Zalyubovsky’s brochure is this passage written:
                    Therefore, in 1915, Britain purchased approximately 150 rifles from Japan. 000 were transferred to the Royal Navy, the rest were armed with 50 infantry regiments.

                    I would immediately say that you are trying to deceive all of us here. But I have a most disgusting copy of Zalyubovsky’s brochure, which is missing several pages. Therefore, please provide a screenshot of the page where information that is so invaluable to you as a propagandist of the Washington Regional Committee is written. In any case, everything that you have written is an example of an utter blizzard. Because initially the conversation is about a batch of Arisaka rifles, intercepted by the British and sent to England in early October 1914. There is no way to drag this order back to 1915.
                    Equate the work of Fedorov V.G. "In Search of Weapons"
                    to the memories of visitors to port taverns
                    maybe only a complete Russophobic woodpecker. By the way. If you bothered to read this work, you would be convinced that there is not a single anti-monarchist word in it. If you equate Fedorov’s testimony with the memories of visitors to port taverns, then all that you yourself are creating is the nonsense of a Russophobe stoned on hashish.
                    1. 0
                      5 February 2024 08: 54
                      Horses mixed in a bunch, people ...
                      I would immediately say that you are trying to deceive all of us here.

                      You have so much of this noodles there that it is absolutely impossible to add anything else.
                      1. -1
                        5 February 2024 12: 33
                        Simply put, your statement
                        Dekabrist (Victor) +4
                        February 3 2024
                        New
                        Citing the emigrant press as a source is, to put it mildly, indecent.

                        It is indecent to shake the air. Can you refute Zalyubovsky and Manikovsky with documents?

                        based on blatant, shameless lies. Since neither Zalyubovsky nor Manikovsky said absolutely nothing of what you attribute to them.
                        Just one question: are you scalding according to the training manual of the Washington Regional Committee, or (judging by the number of pluses) are you representing a team of Ukrainian trolls?
                      2. 0
                        5 February 2024 14: 17
                        Just one question: are you scalding according to the training manual of the Washington Regional Committee, or (judging by the number of pluses) are you representing a team of Ukrainian trolls?

                        Washington. It's called DSM-5. Bipolar disorder section.
                  2. 0
                    5 February 2024 23: 53
                    Quote: Dekabrist
                    At least get acquainted with the biography of the mentioned persons.

                    What does the biography of General Zalyubovsky tell you? He did not have access to real documents during the years of emigration. But all kinds of societies of white emigrants that he joined were openly Germanophile and even simply fascist. In the brochure, by the way, published after his death, no one knows who stuffed who knows what... Why, no one knows, three-quarters of the whites in Serbia openly worked for Germany.
  2. +6
    3 February 2024 08: 05
    Quote: Old electrician
    In 1915, my grandfather, due to the lack of rifles from the Tsar Father, went to the front with a muzzle-loading capsule gun from the era of the Crimean War...
    ... others had sticks with bayonets

    On the offensive in East Prussia also with walked with sticks and bayonets? And in the Sarakamysh operation in Eastern Turkey? And Brusilov’s famous breakthrough on the Southwestern Front was also with planned with sticks and bayonets? Or with guns from the Crimean War?
    1. +6
      3 February 2024 11: 22
      Did you also go on the offensive in East Prussia with sticks and bayonets? And in the Sarakamysh operation in Eastern Turkey? Did Brusilov also plan his famous breakthrough on the Southwestern Front with sticks and bayonets? Or with guns from the Crimean War?

      1. The pre-war cadre army went on the offensive in East Prussia. Mobilization problems practically did not affect Samsonov’s army. However, Fedorov V.G. "In Search of Weapons" writes:
      We knew that the Germans were using heavy artillery on a large scale. This morally suppressed our unfired units. But Samsonov had almost no artillery! But the main reason is the too early transition of the 2nd Army to the offensive, when it was not yet fully ready for combat operations. This reflected the desire of the Russian high command to honestly fulfill its obligations to the French at all costs and to draw back the German forces, not in accordance with the degree of readiness of its armies. This goal was achieved: several German corps were removed from the French front for transfer to the Russians. The removal of these corps greatly influenced the outcome of the general battle of the Marne, when the German march to Paris was stopped. It seemed that the Russian command had the right to expect help from its allies in difficult hours. Alas, how bitterly we were disappointed in this!

      According to various sources, the total losses of the 1st and 2nd armies ranged from 80 to 000 people. The tsarist generals, raised by German tutors from childhood, gave in at a loss. The only decent one in this gang of the 245 model was General Samsonov.
      2. The Brusilov breakthrough dates back to 1916, and I’m talking about 1915. Brusilov A.A. “My memories” about the problems of 1915:
      At the beginning of our delay on the Bug, we had to repulse several attacks, especially on the right flank of the army, and then the enemy, in turn, dug in on the left bank of the Bug, and I had to respond to him with extremely rare rifle and especially artillery fire, which greatly discouraged the troops. The parts of the troops that had been mixed up during the retreat, which had to be thrown as needed from one corps to another, were now restored by me to their normal organization, and the uniformed ignoramuses who arrived as replacements were intensively trained in the rear of each division.
      The only trouble was that there were an extremely small number of rifles. We were partly replenished with guns taken from the Austrians and Germans, but this was a drop in the ocean, and there was very little ammunition for these rifles.
      ...
      During this time, the troops were somewhat replenished, and, although with great difficulty due to the lack of rifles, replacing some of our rifles with Austrian ones, we managed to bring most of the divisions to five to seven thousand, whereas at the beginning of our stay on the Bug the divisions had an average of 3000- 4000 rifles.

      3. The Sarakamysh defensive operation December 9 (22), 1914 - January 5 (18), 1915 took place on the Turkish front, which was of secondary intensity and importance at a time when the condition of the Russian army was not yet critical. At that time, constant streams of unarmed conscripts did not flow there either. Therefore, there were no special problems with rifles there. Almost immediately after the Sarakamysh operation:
      For Russian troops in Europe, the Caucasian Front was a “donor”, ​​providing new formations to fight the Germans and Austrians. Thus, 2 corps, which were sent to the Austro-German front at the beginning of the war, were supplemented by another 1,5 corps - the situation allowed this to be done.

      Therefore, I don’t understand how your enthusiasm for bread crunch relates to the topic of conversation.
  3. +7
    3 February 2024 09: 50
    Good day to everyone and good mood.hi
    1. 0
      3 February 2024 12: 29
      At least someone thought to post the performance characteristics. drinks
      1. +5
        3 February 2024 13: 14
        For “at least someone” - special thanks. fellow
  4. +4
    3 February 2024 10: 40
    Japanese rifle with an English accent

    The Japanese Type 38 had many accents. This rifle was also modified in Thailand for the British .30-06 cartridge. The Chinese - 7,92x57 mm Mauser and Soviet 7,62x39 mm.
    1. -1
      3 February 2024 11: 51
      The Chinese - 7,92x57 mm Mauser and Soviet 7,62x39 mm.

      As for the intermediate bezrantov 7,62x39, it’s somehow doubtful. More likely, it’s still 7,62x51.
      1. 0
        3 February 2024 11: 59
        Although the Chinese are like that, they can...
      2. +3
        3 February 2024 13: 19
        As for the intermediate bezrantov 7,62x39, it’s somehow doubtful.

        https://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifles/arisakas-in-7-62x39mm/
        1. +1
          4 February 2024 22: 17
          https://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifles/arisakas-in-7-62x39mm/


          Strictly speaking, if a weapon is somehow redesigned by replacing its main parts with parts of the same purpose from other models (in this case, the barrel part with the breech from SKS), and not by modifying the existing complete parts, then this is not called modernization or alteration, but a compilation of several models. There is a lot of information about such Frankensteins.
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  6. 0
    3 February 2024 14: 57
    “However, a special commission that arrived in the Land of the Rising Sun quickly found out that Japan had simply disposed of unnecessary trophies.
    They did not dispose of them, but handed them over and sold them to the Honghuzes so that they would attack the Chinese Eastern Railway, Ussurye and Amur.
  7. Owl
    +3
    3 February 2024 19: 36
    My grandfather served in the army with an Arisaka rifle, he was called up in 1946 to the Far East, almost all the small arms in the division were captured, Japanese.
  8. 0
    4 February 2024 18: 33
    Quote: Old electrician
    ...And yet, the former enemies who became allies in the world war found a way out: already in October 1914, the Russian Empire began to purchase surplus weapons from Japan.
    In total, during the First World War, over 820 thousand Arisaks of various modifications entered service with the Russian Imperial Army, and about 100 thousand were transferred from England as allied assistance...
    - how touchingly it is written about our beloved allies, the small Britons.
    In October 1914, the outstanding Russian gunsmith Fedorov obtained from the Japanese a contract for the supply of 120 thousand Arisakas to Russia. The British found out about this and they had a problem that they did not miss. The small-shavers pressed 120 thousand. Arisak went to England. The British didn’t really need these Arisakis and stayed with them until 1916. In 1916, the British gave us 100 thousand. Arisak in three roads. It's called allied assistance.
    PS. In 1915, my grandfather, due to the lack of rifles from the Tsar Father, went to the front with a muzzle-loading capsule gun from the Crimean War era. Because they didn’t even get Berdanok. Grandfather considered that they were lucky because others had sticks with bayonets.
    P.P.S. I’m waiting for the indignant cries of admirers of bread crunches, for whom everything was fine under the Tsar Father.


    Maybe your great-grandfather went to the First World War?
    If it is your grandfather, then I apologize!!!
    1. +2
      5 February 2024 07: 34
      My grandfather went to the front as an ordinary warrior in 1915. At that time the Tsar Father did not have rifles, so the warriors were armed with sticks and bayonets. Before being sent to the front, my grandfather’s battalion was presented at the parade before the clear eyes of the Emperor of All Rus', Nicholas II himself. It was not comme il faut to march in front of the king as a priest with sticks on his shoulder, therefore, in the absence of rifles, they were armed with percussion rifles from the Crimean War era. These are not sticks, you could even shoot with them!
      As I already said, under Catherine the Great, the service life of a muzzle-loading gun was determined to be 100 years. Those. Crimean War rifles were supposed to remain in warehouses until 1956. Grandfather, of course, did not know about this, and did not ask the question of where the guns came from.
      Before the parade and departure to the front, shooting from these rarities was arranged.
      Industrial production of round bullets, in principle, did not exist even under Catherine the Great, since the troops made bullets on their own. It is also natural that there were no stocks of bullets stored in warehouses. Well, since round bullets of a suitable caliber were needed for shooting, the troops had bullet machines for casting them. Catherine the Great did not say anything about bullet guns in her decree, so they were not stored in warehouses. Because of this, instead of bullets, the warriors were provided with pieces of chopped lead suitable in caliber. Surprisingly, there were no problems with the capsules.
      At the shooting range, the guns demonstrated uniquely low destructive power and a complete lack of any chance of hitting the target. Strictly speaking, what else can you expect from shooting chopped lead from a smoothbore gun? Although Robinson Crusoe claimed that he allegedly shot goats this way.
      When firing, the chopped lead howled in every way, causing homeric laughter from the shooters. The warriors argued: whether a piece of lead would pierce the forehead through a cap with a cockade or whether it would bounce off. The shooting gave rise to a lot of jokes in the battalion. Here is an example of army humor of that time:
      I'm shooting from behind a tree. Then I hear a beetle flying! I lean out to look, and bam in the forehead! I look, and this is my bullet back! Gee-gee-gee!

      The warriors went overboard at the parade, so the Tsar Father himself gave the battalion a huge icon of Seraphim of Sarov, driving away the bear with the sign of the cross, from his master’s shoulder. This allegory meant:
      Fuck us with rifles! We will smash the adversary with the sign of the cross!

      The beauty of this icon was that it had a huge baguette, about 2x3 meters. There are no rifles or shells, the Germans are pushing hard, releasing gases... And in the midst of this bedlam, the soldiers must carry the oak logs of the Tsar’s gift on their backbones. Therefore, it is not surprising that an unknown artist supplemented the plot with a bunch of @@@ under the Reverend Father.
      Despite the fact that the allegory of the picture only became more realistic, a platoon of gendarmes arrived at the front, and the battalion was dragged at night for interrogations for two months. Look, the revolutionaries have appeared!
      During the first German attack, after artillery barrage, what was left of the battalion began to surrender in unison. Having herded the dead into a heap, the Germans first of all bayoneted the ensign - the acting company commander. Grandfather realized that sausages with dark Bavarian were not expected in captivity, and gave a heroic drapa. The Germans fired in pursuit, but did not hit...
      After his “baptism” at the front, my grandfather went through the entire war, was wounded, then served as a convoy in the Red Army, then the Antonov mutiny. But that is another story
  9. 0
    4 February 2024 18: 37
    Thanks for trying to write an interesting article! But, in my opinion, it didn’t work out well. Maybe you are pressed for time, maybe you have lost interest in the topic.
    I hope that you will have enough interest and desire to continue publishing.
  10. 0
    4 February 2024 18: 41
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Dutchman Michel
    my great-grandfather and grandfather had three

    Did your great-grandfather expect a new war?

    In Transbaikalia, each family having a large number of trunks was a common occurrence. And minus for you.


    And why did you give the Dutchman Michel a minus? For his opinion? After all, he was not insulting, although he was sarcastic.
  11. +1
    5 February 2024 15: 42
    In 1939, all Estonian arsenals were captured by the Red Army

    More details from this point? What kind of capture are we talking about?
    In 1940, the Communist Party won the elections in all three Baltic republics. An agreement was concluded with the USSR on military assistance and the right to station the Red Army in the Baltic states. These are new territories, new republics of the USSR.