Lobaev Arms rifles in Special Operations

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Lobaev Arms rifles in Special Operations
Sniper training using Lobaev Arms rifles


Russian snipers participating in the Special Operation to protect Donbass use small arms weapon a number of types, both those that have been in service for a long time and are well mastered, and those created in recent years. The latter includes a whole range of high-precision systems from the Lobaev Arms brand. Rifles of this family are distinguished by high levels of accuracy, accuracy and range of fire, which make them a convenient tool for solving all expected fire tasks.



Rifles at the front


The Lobaev Arms company from Tarusa (Kaluga region) has been developing and producing high-precision sniper systems for quite a long time. Initially, its products were intended for sports shooters and hunters, but later snipers from various structures and units were also included as potential users.

According to known data, Lobaev Arms rifles appeared in the Donbass back in the mid-1990s. Long before the start of the current Special Operation, they were received by riflemen of the republican militia. These weapons were successfully used against Ukrainian formations conducting the notorious “anti-terrorist operation.” During such operation, experience was accumulated that made it possible to clarify the methods of using weapons, and also influenced its further development.


A batch of rifles shipped to recipients in August-September 2023.

In the spring of 2022, Lobaev Arms joined the nationwide movement to collect assistance for the army and formations of the two republics. Initially, donations were used for sighting equipment and other devices needed by snipers. Then we managed to reach a new level of production, sufficient to produce and send to the front not the simplest and cheapest high-precision rifles.

The company's management regularly reports on the completion of fundraising for the next batch of materiel or rifle, as well as on their dispatch to active units. User reviews, photos and videos from the front, etc. are also published. The army is supplied with rifles of several models for different ammunition, equipped with certain additional devices.

It should be noted that the Ministry of Defense does not purchase Lobaev Arms rifles en masse or centrally. According to known data, this is due to the incomplete compliance of such weapons with the department’s requirements. Sniper units receive other weapons through official channels. However, fighters are not left without modern long-range weapons.


Russian army sniper call sign Cobalt and his DXL-3 "Retribution" rifle

It should be noted that during the Special Operation the troops received high-precision systems not only from Lobaev Arms. In parallel, as part of assistance to the troops, supplies of similar weapons of the BespokeGun brand are being made from the Moscow Arms Company. Rifles from two manufacturers, occupying the same niche, are not only used, but also compared with each other. Reportedly, there is no clear leader - both lines of weapons have advantages over each other.

Weapon family


The manufacturing company reported the supply and presence of several models of rifles in the Special Operation zone. Other samples of its products have not yet reached the front, but it cannot be ruled out that they will also reach combat use. In addition, Lobaev Arms continues to work, and in the future it will be able to introduce new models of rifles, which will probably also have a chance to be tested not only at the training ground.

The rifles mentioned in the manufacturer's communications are generally similar to each other. During their development, common goals were pursued in the form of increasing the range and accuracy of fire. This has led to the use of common or similar circuits, technical solutions and components. At the same time, rifles of different models differ in certain features or parameters - the cartridge used, the design of specific parts, etc.


A Russian Guard soldier with a DXL-5 "Devastator" rifle

First of all, the DXL series rifles, long-range multi-caliber systems suitable for use as a sniper and anti-sniper weapon, have gained some popularity. This line includes three products; all of them are present in the Special Operation area and are effectively used to solve the intended tasks.

DXL products are built according to a linear design. They have a long barrel mounted in a tubular receiver and hanging relative to the fore-end. A longitudinally sliding bolt of reinforced design with manual locking by turning is used. The use of different sighting devices and cartridges is envisaged, allowing for high firing characteristics.

The DXL-3 "Retribution" rifle is available in .338 Lapua Magnum and .300 Winchester Magnum versions. With a barrel length of 740 mm, it has a length of more than 1,3 m. The weight of the rifle is approx. 7,9 kg. The declared effective firing range is up to 1,8 km with an accuracy of 0,42 MOA.

The DXL-4M "Sevastopol" uses more powerful .408 CheyTac and .375 CheyTac cartridges. An 820 mm barrel was used, giving the total length of the weapon 1,5 m. Weight - 9,1 kg. The .408 CT cartridge gives an effective firing range of up to 2,3 km, .375 CT – up to 2,8 km. Accuracy is stated at 0,45 MOA.


"Retribution" in firing position

The DXL-5 Devastator rifle has the maximum caliber - it uses 12,7x108 mm and 12,7x99 mm BMG cartridges. Interestingly, both modifications use a unified bolt group. The rifle with an 820 mm barrel is more than 1,5 m long and weighs 13 kg. The firing range reaches 2,3 km. 12,7 mm cartridges are not designed for precision shooting, which is why the accuracy does not exceed 1 MOA.

Also of interest is the well-known TSVL-8M1 Stalingrad rifle. Like the Retribution, it uses .338 LM and .300 WM cartridges. The 680-mm barrel allows it to confidently hit targets at a range of 1,6 km. At the same time, in terms of dimensions and weight, this weapon does not differ from other products - length is approx. 1,3 m, weight – 7,4 kg.

The longest-range representative of the Lobaev Arms brand is the SVLK-14S “Dusk” product. According to known data, these rifles have been used in the Donbass for quite a long time. There are two modifications of such weapons chambered for CheyTac cartridges in .375 and .408 calibers. The long 900 mm barrel gives increased muzzle velocity and bullet energy. Thanks to this, the firing range using .375 CT ammunition reaches 3 km. Accuracy – 0,5 MOA.

All main models of weapons from Lobaev Arms have high range and accuracy, and in this respect they are superior to standard weapons of the Russian army. The technical potential of such sniper systems is very high, and it is actively used to combat enemy manpower and some materiel.


"Devastator" and cartridges for it close-up

Nomenclature expansion


In the past, our snipers used only the old and well-deserved SVD rifle, as well as its new modifications. Despite all the advantages, this weapon has limited characteristics and cannot solve the entire range of tasks that arise for snipers in certain conditions. The Army needed new weapons with increased range, accuracy, and firepower.

In the recent past, several domestic companies have been engaged in the development and production of sniper systems, which differ from the SVD in increased characteristics and other capabilities. Now these organizations are mass-producing rifles of their own design and supplying them to active units, thanks to which they receive new combat capabilities.

Snipers of the armed forces actively use the received weapons of all models and brands, carrying out assigned combat missions. In addition, they are gaining experience necessary to further improve combat techniques and modernize weapon designs. All these processes should be considered clearly positive and useful for the army.
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  1. +5
    25 January 2024 04: 04
    laughing
    All main models of weapons from Lobaev Arms have high range and accuracy, and in this respect they are superior to standard weapons of the Russian army. The technical potential of such sniper systems is very high, and it is actively used to combat enemy manpower and some materiel.

    laughing

    And our regular column “news from the fields”:
    "Our friends Snipers and high-precision specialists are often forced to spin/collect/recycle very rare Cartridges for war because there are usually none or not enough, and of course they check the extraction so that a person is not left with a single-shot rifle. I myself constantly buy 338 Cartridges and all components for reloading and pass them on to the front and in all our experience - I have never seen more “capricious” rifles than Lobaev Arms." https://t.me/orengunteam56/6307
    The link has no analogues in the world "work with a ramrod".

    And a little video

    https://youtu.be/s2-GCA9lFXE


    https://youtu.be/cBRMLCdZiVI

    Well, for a snack, a video about the benefits of a hammer:
    https://youtu.be/uj0LYuTdqNE


    Well, “on the road”:

    https://youtu.be/BEd043AaJD0
    1. +1
      25 January 2024 18: 07
      I also came across this position. And at the same time, on other weapons channels/groups, lobaevkas are praised. On the other hand, no strong criticism has been heard regarding the Orsis.
      1. +1
        25 January 2024 20: 01
        The problem exists and we need to work with it, but Lobaev’s weapons are indirectly related. It's no secret that high-quality sniper rifles require precision manufacturing and maintenance. The requirements of combined arms weapons are not applicable to them, otherwise it will be SVD. The same requirements apply to ammunition.
        But regarding the ammunition, it almost looks like sabotage. Along the way, Lobaev needs to release ammunition himself...
        PS: By the way, even the cleaning of such rifles differs from the usual standards and separate chemicals are used. So, this is a weapon for well-trained snipers, and not for ordinary personnel. The specialists have no delays because... they do not use low-quality ammunition and, given the current shortage, they equip it for themselves.
        1. 0
          28 January 2024 05: 48
          Quote: NIKNN
          The problem exists and we need to work with it, but Lobaev’s weapons are indirectly related.
          https://youtu.be/Lbn_dOagpkY
  2. +2
    25 January 2024 04: 11
    May I quote: According to known data, this is due to the incomplete compliance of such weapons with the department’s requirements. Recently, some departments are starting to scare me, I even wonder what kind of requirements they are. Cheap price? and so that with every shot the rifle loudly shouts: Kanalya! and began to sing God Save the Tsar? For some reason I remember the sniper from the show mask, who showed an obscene gesture after each shot. It seems to me that if a weapon is good, then it should be used, and not in a dark closet... Thus, both testing and good potential for the development of further products.
    1. +3
      25 January 2024 07: 14
      Quote from turembo
      I’m even curious what the requirements are

      There is a point of view that Lobaev’s products perform well in target shooting, Dynamo vs CSKA. Taking them in the field is risky: they don’t always shoot, there is no mount for the bayonet, it’s inconvenient to hit with the butt, and the cantilevered barrel will fly off. Well, all these Cheiteks are not military weapons at all: where will you get cartridges for them? Will you buy from a potential enemy?
      1. 0
        25 January 2024 10: 51
        Quote: Negro
        Well, all these Cheiteks are not military weapons at all: where will you get cartridges for them? Will you buy from a potential enemy?

        In Novosibirsk. laughing
        One problem - the hammer for the bolt handle is not included in the delivery of these cartridges.
        1. 0
          25 January 2024 13: 18
          Quote: Alexey RA
          In Novosibirsk

          Since childhood for Barnaul.
          1. +4
            25 January 2024 15: 40
            Quote: Negro
            Since childhood for Barnaul.

            Barnaul is still a mass patron. Plan according to the shaft - shaft according to the plan. © PM, AK and PC will eat everything.
            But Novosib raised the bar for hand-heel-point accuracy to a new height, having managed to screw up the size tolerances on sniper cartridges, and of a caliber absolutely non-standard for the Russian Federation, which had never been produced before (that is, even on legacy of the damned scoop will not be able to be written off). More than a millimeter difference in fit - from one pack! And even put cartridges with two cartridge manufacturing technologies into one pack.
            Well, I told you - the place is damned! © smile
      2. +2
        25 January 2024 11: 19
        It should also be used at temperatures from -50 to +50, withstand falls from 10 meters, swim, etc.
      3. 0
        April 27 2024 17: 51
        According to the results of the sniper competitions, that Lobaev’s rifles take first place?
        Apparently they don’t, they take first place with another weapon.
    2. +3
      25 January 2024 10: 48
      Quote from turembo
      I can quote: According to known data, this is due to the incomplete compliance of such weapons with the requirements of the department. Recently, some departments are starting to scare me, I even wonder what kind of requirements they are. Cheap price?

      Most likely it says "shooting with domestically produced cartridges without delays". smile
      But Lobaev is not very good at this, because the high performance characteristics of his rifles have a wild sensitivity to cartridges. Well, the quality of even sniper cartridges from our cartridge factories is well known - the difference in chambering is more than a millimeter. smile
      1. 0
        April 5 2024 14: 06
        The specialist will buy his own cartridges. Even abroad. Moreover, he can buy a rifle for himself. Of course, it’s probably not worth comparing the Lobaevka and SVD. It’s like comparing Val with Kalash. An extra kilometer of range makes a big difference
    3. +1
      25 January 2024 19: 36
      . I’m even curious what the requirements are


      Elementary. For understanding, using an example from life: if “donkey urine” is poured into a Bugatti, then she (he) must drive. But he doesn't go.
      This means the requirements have not been met. laughing
    4. +1
      27 February 2024 19: 23
      As a hunter who also has rifled weapons, I can explain to you that the Lobaev and Orsis T5000 rifles are high-precision systems for sport shooting at long and ultra-long distances. As a sniper weapon, their use is possible only in special forces in cases of counter-sniper combat or sniper work over long distances. As battlefield weapons, these are completely unsuitable systems due to their heavy weight and dependence on contamination. And they are used in the Northern Military District because our troops do not have the required number of mass-produced systems capable of withstanding large-caliber NATO sniper rifles.
  3. +4
    25 January 2024 05: 32
    There are pros and cons. I saw a couple of videos where there was a refusal and Lobaev’s rifle was scolded because of his refusal to work in dirty conditions. There are videos where they are praised for their accuracy.
    1. +8
      25 January 2024 06: 41
      I also watched the video. Including videos of designers. I’m not an expert, but the conclusion suggests itself - high-precision weapons have careful fitting of parts, which means higher requirements for ammunition and maintenance. How acceptable this is for the army is a question for specialists. For example, a rifle has characteristics and the tolerances for cartridges are described there. The designer opens a pack of imported cartridges and measures them - within the specifications. Loads, fires - everything is like clockwork. Opens our cartridges - I was amazed. They are all different. Everything started to go wrong with them. So it’s up to the experts to decide - either learn how to make ammunition, or admit that this is a civilian model and is unsuitable for the army.
      1. 0
        25 January 2024 18: 26
        There are other videos too.

        I looked at the reviews of two “users”. Slightly different

        User #1. I haven’t held Lobaev in my hands, but colleagues say that it is very demanding of cartridges. Much more capricious in this regard than my Mannlicher. Mannlicher rules. With the same characteristics, it is tenacious, reliable, and eats any acceptable (this word must be emphasized) sniper ammunition.

        User No. 2 (Uses the Lobaevskaya rifle itself) The Lobaevites are great for being able to saturate the market with rifles with such characteristics, and at a price 4 times cheaper than imported analogues, thanks to them and a low bow to them, without them we would have run with the SVD. Standard cartridges? What are the standard ones? In general, we load our own cartridges with our own hands.

        User No. 1: and I spend half to 2/3 of the time with the SVD and run, I mostly carry the Mannlicher in my backpack in a disassembled state and only take it out for long-distance work.
  4. +2
    25 January 2024 07: 38
    There are very, very many problems with Lobaev’s rifles. With chambers. Even before the SVO there were.
    1. +1
      26 January 2024 13: 52
      Quote: FRoman1984
      There are problems with Lobaev's rifles. With chambers.

      First they develop a cartridge, and then a weapon.
      Lobaev developed the rifle NOT for the domestic low-grade cartridge 338 and 308, but for an imported one that meets the requirements of higher CIP requirements
      If the shooter does not understand why problems started with his Lobaev rifle, then he is an eccentric.
      At any forum on high-precision shooting of domestic ammunition, the topic of their low quality has been raised more than once.
      1. 0
        April 27 2024 17: 56
        First, whether the rifle has been adopted by the Defense Ministry or not.
        Orsis supplied the MO with a lot of rifles.
  5. +4
    25 January 2024 08: 16
    articles about weapons on VO are boring: the presentation of the material consists of listing the performance characteristics of the weapon and attached photos...
    but when we talk about weapons, we forget that in relation to the shot, it is secondary!
    the cartridge comes first!
    If the cartridge is not of high quality, then under no circumstances will you be able to get where you want.
    but we have a problem with cartridges: we need articles revealing the problems in our “cartridge” economy
    and these are cartridges - first of all, gunpowder, primers, bullets...
    1. 0
      25 January 2024 09: 04
      Lobaev does not have his own thermal equipment. The partners are working. Small enterprise. A little alive.
      Mo should and will purchase only its own products, with an asterisk CD. Strangers walk here... and don't feed. And the cartridge is the main thing in a weapon.
      1. 0
        25 January 2024 20: 27
        . and don't feed.


        This is where the whole problem lies. The main thing is to eat, and at least the grass won’t grow there... .
    2. +2
      25 January 2024 09: 05
      We have a problem with cartridges: we need articles revealing the problems in our “cartridge” economy

      Apparently this topic is so thankless that neither Ryabov nor other authors can master it... and the needs for high-quality ammunition are so far covered by “gray imports”... from “unfriendly” countries.
      1. 0
        25 January 2024 18: 55
        Dear Streck! This is a complex topic “about weapons”... And it’s not about Ryabov... Analyzing the article and the emotional “cries from the podium”, the conclusion arises about low-quality ammunition supplied to the troops... And “sniping” is sports and combat, in particular , has become an independent “type of combat activity” on the battlefield... The distances at which targets are now hit and the sheer variety of targets are amazing. And, probably, he (sniping) now requires not only a high-quality rifle, but also high-quality ammunition... Who is producing them now, at what enterprises, with whose brains and hands? If there, too, an army of “brothers in mind” from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan was “noted”, then one cannot be surprised at the quality of the “mass” cartridge... The cartridge is similar to the buildings erected by the same hands at the grandiose construction sites in Russia: “not to size ", quality - "at the level of the plinth" or a little higher, in violation of all conceivable and inconceivable SNiPs, GOSTs and other standards... My conclusion, in life: for an ax to be an ax for its intended purpose, high-quality steel, sharpening of the ax, an ax handle, preferably made of beech-oak and hands growing “from that place”.... Same with sniping from Lobaev and “Wishlist” from the Russian Defense Ministry...
  6. +1
    25 January 2024 08: 43
    Yes, the same story as with the SVT-40.
    In skillful hands there is fire! For the unprepared, it's a club.
    1. 0
      25 January 2024 10: 59
      Quote: Djusha
      Yes, the same story as with the SVT-40.

      Rather, the same as with the PTRD. Powerful cartridge, high pressure. The factory, as usual, did not keep up with the dimensions and technology of the cartridge - and hello, the hammer for the bolt handle.
      For the PTRD, even lubrication of the cartridges did not help.
      The survivability of the gun was determined to be 43 shots. After each shot, the cartridge case was knocked out with a mallet. When knocking out the 43rd cartridge case, the handle of the bolt broke off.
      © tests of serial PTRD at NIPSVO July 10-12, 1942
  7. +2
    25 January 2024 09: 36
    Quote: Djusha
    Yes, same story as with SVT-40.
    In skillful hands there is fire! For the unprepared, it's a club.


    No matter how much they criticize the SVT, it shot singles with a bang!
    moreover, raised from the swamp and only cleaned
    but the softness of the trigger, the recoil... this is not a Zbrojovka in the form of a Mauser, and certainly not a Mosinka
    1. +1
      25 January 2024 13: 06
      Quote: Dedok
      Mauser

      Why didn’t you like the Mauser? My grandfather went through the entire domestic war with a trophy rifle, and 45 years later I almost shot with it... good until I had to give it up, when the USSR started to go crazy sad
  8. 0
    25 January 2024 14: 01
    Quote from Enceladus
    Quote: Dedok
    Mauser

    Why didn’t you like the Mauser? My grandfather went through the entire domestic war with a trophy rifle, and 45 years later I almost shot with it... good until I had to give it up, when the USSR started to go crazy sad


    I can’t remember the details, the comparison was “on the spot”
    but the memories are only positive
  9. 0
    25 January 2024 14: 38
    Quote: Negro
    Well, all these Cheiteks are not military weapons at all: where will you get cartridges for them?

    In Moscow, ammunition is available for sale for any caliber.
    1. 0
      25 January 2024 15: 45
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      In Moscow, ammunition is available for sale for any caliber.

      So Yes и you can shoot - these are two big differences.
      There are also domestic .338LM. But after firing them from the front guns, to extract the cartridges, you have to either hit the bolt handle with a hammer or knock out the cartridge with a ramrod.
  10. 0
    26 January 2024 00: 35
    In my opinion, even on my AKM the magazine was not so loose... The cartridges, of course, are a separate matter, but didn’t they find the magazine in a trash heap? Well, bumps are inevitable...
  11. 0
    26 January 2024 16: 06
    Is SVT a bad rifle? And they made a Mosinka. Cheap, reliable and familiar to the mobilization army. Does not require maintenance and is unpretentious. Lobaev’s rifles require a specialist, increased accuracy requires a minimum tolerance in the manufacture of special cartridges. The trouble with ammunition is that tolerances vary.
  12. 0
    26 January 2024 16: 22
    I looked here at Lobaev’s response to the haters scolding his rifles, where he showed how the cartridges he recommended differed from those often replaced by various other manufacturers and what huge variations there were, the average person should still understand at least a little that an ordinary rifle differs from a sniper rifle, as does the ammunition for them
  13. 0
    27 January 2024 19: 53
    Guys, I understand everything, snipers, the elite of the Armed Forces, and all that. But has no one really understood that it is IMPOSSIBLE to create army weapons using key components from NATO countries? What else needs to happen to the country for the developers to finally freeze the idea of ​​using German diesel engines, standard cartridges, English gearboxes, French aircraft engines, etc. for domestic military equipment? Well, Lobaev made rifles. Class! Where are they needed? In the army. When? During hostilities. But then these hostilities began and the rifles could not be used normally. Because NATO is fighting against us and there are no cartridges for Lobaev’s excellent rifles. Well, why the hell are they needed then, these cool rifles? Lobaev tried long and hard to push his rifles into the troops. I remember the devastating articles in his defense, the long history of the “Russian weapons genius” who was spread rot by retrogrades from the Russian Defense Ministry.
    But then the databases started and everything suddenly fell into place. There is a rifle, but you can’t shoot from it. Since it jams, does not load or remove the cartridge, it misfires. In a combat mission, do you also need to knock out a shell casing from it with a hammer? Or should we secretly purchase cartridges specifically for Lobaev and his rifles in the West?
    Maybe the reason for the success of Orsis is not the conservatism of the generals, but the REALITY of the design?
    There, people FIRST found out what kind of cartridges they could realistically give to the fighters, and only then did they make weapons for them? A? Lobaev, by the way, seemed to have started making cartridges himself and, it seems, made


    I understand that the army needs QUALITY ammunition. So maybe we can somehow resolve the issue with them first? So that you don’t have to knock out the shell casings with cleaning rods? Even if not at the level of large series, maybe not even on rotary lines, but not putting the cart in front of the locomotive?
  14. 0
    28 January 2024 23: 12
    Lobaev's rifles are probably good, but it is still better to modify them so that the operator is further away from the barrel.
    If you don't know how to do this, I have it.
    .
    Well, the best sniper rifle in the war is the PKVT. Artificial intelligence coupled with these weapons...
  15. 0
    31 January 2024 16: 58
    At the front there are a lot of high-precision products in addition to Lobaev’s products: Orsis, Mannlicher, Barreto and AH. But for some reason, complaints are heard only about Lobaev.
    1. 0
      13 February 2024 15: 07
      A private owner opens his mouth to a pie that has long been divided, there are no people to feed him. I have a colleague who bought Lobaev, I haven’t heard any complaints from him
    2. 0
      28 February 2024 16: 50
      All this is subjective, but the owner with experience in operating this device can really say.
  16. 0
    28 February 2024 16: 48
    The rifles are good, but naturally they need a certain attitude; in my opinion, they need to be issued individually to those who know how to use this device.