Faster, higher, stronger? Sovereign orbital station ROSS

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Faster, higher, stronger? Sovereign orbital station ROSS
Draft design of the Russian orbital service station


Space is our everything


Roscosmos does not stand still. This cannot be denied. Of course, before plans aviation The industry with three hundred passenger airliners by 2030 is still a long way off, but the list of expectations is impressive.



One project turned out very badly - we are talking about the Luna-25 lander, which crashed on the surface of the Earth’s satellite on August 20, 2023. It’s too early to talk about the project’s fiasco. Roscosmos firmly intends to continue the development of the Luna-26 and Luna-27 spacecraft, taking into account the sad experience of its predecessor.

Work is actively underway on the Soyuz-5 rocket and its giant first-stage engine RD-171MV, which is considered the most powerful in the world. The future constellation of Sphere satellites is of utmost importance, designed to provide communications to the regions of the Far North, as well as to give impetus to the development of the Internet of Things in the country. With the assistance of Roscosmos, a project of a Russian analogue of Starlink from the Bureau 1440 office is moving forward. In August 2023, with the help of three Rassvet-1 satellites, a communication session was conducted between Moscow and operators on a mountain peak in Adygea.

By 2035, developers predict that about nine hundred communications satellites will be sent. The products are planned to be placed in low orbits at an altitude of 600 km. This will allow communication using relatively small terminals, like Starlink.

The above is not the entire selection of current new products - serious research is being carried out in deep space, but practical application in this industry is still far away.

As a result, Roscosmos works for the future, and quite actively, although not always in the way that ordinary people would like.

In the series of Roscosmos plans, people increasingly began to remember the ambitious project of a sovereign Russian orbital station. In the topic of the domestic space program, one cannot help but dwell on the special place of the International Space Station (ISS). In our crazy world, there is a complete feeling that there is some kind of parallel Universe on the ISS.

In one, we almost declare war on the United States. At the very least, we are accused of direct participation in the conflict in Ukraine. This is how Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov put it at the beginning of December 2022. In another reality, a mixed crew coexists in Earth orbit, in which two Russians - Oleg Kononenko with Nikolai Chub and the American Laurel O'Hara. As part of the SpaceX Crew-7 mission, four people also flew to the ISS, including an American, a Dane, a Japanese and a Russian Konstantin Borisov.

All the colleagues of our cosmonauts, as we see, are exclusively from unfriendly countries. Politics, of course, is a delicate matter, but the happy faces of the ISS crew against the backdrop of bellicose rhetoric, for example, by Dmitry Medvedev, are a little discouraging.

Conclusion from stories simple - in order not to tolerate enemy faces on the ISS, it was necessary to build your orbital station on time.

Russian orbital station


The cooling in Russia’s relations with its space partners began in 2014. The first to go under the knife was the ISS project, in which Russia had a significant stake. Of the 15 modules of the orbital station, six belong to the Russian segment. Considering the relatively modest costs of Roscosmos, Russia's share is allocated to a considerable amount. I remember that Dmitry Rogozin, being the Deputy Prime Minister in charge of the space industry in 2014, announced the impossibility of Russia’s continued participation in the ISS program after 2024.

The reality turned out to be completely different - at the moment, Russia has no alternative to the international station. Quitting the joint space program is necessary not only for political reasons.

Difficulties are created by the location of the Vostochny Cosmodrome, from which launching spacecraft to the ISS is fraught with risks. First of all, because of the long trajectory over the sea, which in case of an accident is fraught with danger for the crew. There is no way at all to send cargo and crews to the ISS from the Plesetsk cosmodrome - the inclination of the orbital station does not allow it.

The ISS is inevitably aging. It was not supposed to survive until 2024 at all - according to the program, the station completed work on resource development back in 2013.

Now the life of the multi-billion dollar project has been extended until 2030 and, it seems, this is the final extension. And if none of the players bothers with a replacement sooner, the only orbital station in space in six years will remain the Chinese “Heavenly Palace” (Tiangong). The Chinese comrades could not even imagine such a gift.

Roscosmos officials appear to have an ace up their sleeve. Only it costs about 600 billion dollars, and this is a preliminary price. As soon as the real work begins, the cost will inevitably increase - there is no other way.


Draft design of the Russian orbital service station

The Russian station, also called the Russian Orbital Service Station (ROSS), will fly in a polar orbit with an inclination of 97 degrees at an altitude of 372 kilometers. The orbit will allow more time to be over Russian territory - currently on the ISS this accounts for no more than 5 percent of the flight time. The new orbit will significantly reduce Roscosmos’ dependence on the Baikonur Cosmodrome, even if it is located in a friendly state.

It will be possible to fly the ROSS from both the civilian Vostochny and military Plesetsk without serious risks for the crews. The bonuses of the new station do not end there. The design of the station provides for an open modular architecture, that is, theoretically, the service life of the ROSS is not limited - each module can be replaced with a new one. As a result of such “regeneration” the entire station will be renewed. According to the authors, by 2050 at least three times.


Ballistic flight support specialist at the Rocket and Space Corporation (RSC) Energia, Nikita Chudinoy, recently announced the possibility of a promising station sending vehicles to the Moon every two weeks. The main mission of ROSS seems to be preparing domestic cosmonauts for flights beyond the Earth's orbit.

A high-latitude orbit will inevitably lead to an area of ​​high cosmic radiation, which is as similar as possible to conditions in deep space. Now on the ISS, in this sense, everything is safe, but it limits the possibilities for experiments and research in the field of interplanetary flights.

The first module of the ROSS station, most likely a scientific and energy module, should appear in orbit as early as 2027. Then it is joined by a node, gateway, base and several highly specialized modules.

The Americans also have a project for their own space station. Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway (LOP-G) can hardly be called an analogue of the ISS, since it will have to rotate around the Moon. The Americans should have a unique alternative to a lunar station on the surface of the satellite. From the LOP-G base they intend to launch manned missions both to the Moon itself and to Mars.

So far, in addition to the United States, Canada, the European Union and Japan have joined the project. Russia withdrew from the program in 2021. LOP-G is as beautiful technically as it is utopian in implementation.

Especially when Russian technologies and competencies were removed from it. But its goal is similar to the planned Russian station - to study as much as possible all the intricacies and dangers of interplanetary manned flights.

We are moving into a new space era. If there are no global progress, then in a few years a competition between orbital stations will unfold in space. Some will be sovereign (Russian and Chinese), and some will decide to build together with other states - we are talking about the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway.

On the one hand, this will allow stations to work more efficiently under national orders, on the other hand, it will inevitably be more expensive and not so technologically advanced. At the very least, the ISS did not allow participants to experiment with things prohibited in space weapons technologies.

Now the temptation to build something “like that” away from prying eyes will be difficult to overcome. And the Russians, and the Chinese, and, of course, the Americans. This is one of the most important reasons why ROSS must be built - our country has no right to lose the initiative in space.
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  1. +8
    29 January 2024 04: 37
    God bless you, nothing more to add!
    Have a nice day, everyone!!!
    1. +8
      29 January 2024 05: 11
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      God bless you, nothing more to add!

      This is not a lottery, so good luck!

      Roscosmos officials appear to have an ace up their sleeve. Only it’s worth about 600 billion dollars
      Actually, rubles...
      The amount is considerable, but we divide it by 6 years, and by 70 (approximately, very roughly) million of the active population of Russia, this comes out to 1500 rubles per year. As they say, “do you feel sorry for pouring a glass of vodka for an astronaut once a month?”
      1. +6
        29 January 2024 10: 15
        Vladimir, the amount of 600 billion dollars also somehow confused me. Authors need to write articles more carefully. Sometimes the computer writes on its own, and doesn’t know what. Therefore, you have to watch it yourself, but it’s not always possible, we are all sinners.
      2. +2
        29 January 2024 12: 22
        The author confused rubles and dollars, making a 90-fold mistake. Explaining scientifically, it happens...
      3. +2
        29 January 2024 18: 39
        600 billion rubles = 6 dollars
        it seems like a lot, but everything can be understood in comparison... we have 300-350 billion dollars in the West turned out to be frozen, with extremely ambiguous prospects for returning back

        It seems that those who carefully studied the economics of Soviet space exploration at a scientific level argued that the unbearable burden and enormous costs are a myth
        that expenses in this area during the Soviet period did not exceed 0,3%, and in 1988 income generally exceeded expenses
    2. 0
      21 May 2024 08: 14
      I was interested in the future polar orbit of this station with an inclination of 97*, i.e. almost along the meridian. The goal was the increased time that it would be over our territory.
      This is where I lack a spatial understanding of why this will be in comparison with the 51,6* orbit of the ISS. It seems that the whole difference is in the intersection trajectory - obliquely (like the ISS) or perpendicularly from north to south, as planned. But in both cases, in a few revolutions, the station will fly over all places (territories) of Russia, taking into account the rotation of the Earth along it.
      The altitude of the orbit is another matter. At the ISS it is about 400 km, but here they plan to raise it to 600 km. And this means that a revolution around the Earth will not take 90 minutes like the ISS, but will take 2-2,5 hours and, accordingly, the frequency of flights over the country will decrease by about half... But the time the station spends over the country at each time will increase. turn. But the distance for observing the Earth also increases by 200 km. So what's the gain here? It turns out to be a "double-edged sword"...
      I feel like I'm not good at celestial mechanics? Correct me, who is strong in this matter.
      And at the same time, what about the efficiency of launching a large weight into a polar orbit, in comparison with equatorial or inclined orbits, where the co-rotation of the Earth plays a role?
      1. 0
        26 May 2024 17: 39
        "with an inclination of 97 degrees at an altitude of 372 kilometers"
        600 km is about an analogue of Starlink.
  2. +24
    29 January 2024 04: 57
    You need to brag not about a beautiful drawing, but about a successful launch. There is nothing yet, but they have already flown to 2050.
    1. +29
      29 January 2024 05: 36
      I will again express the version that Roscosmos deliberately chooses larger-scale projects, but with a mandatory long implementation period - which is natural, the project large-scale! Let's remember the lunar base or a whole host of new spaceships (Eagle, Federation, etc.) - in the form of cartoons and drawings, of course. Projects. And budgets. Mastered to one degree or another. Meanwhile, Soviet hardware flies - Luna-25 like a spacecraft - it is either a Soviet-made product (yes, components of those years!) or a repetition of the Soviet project without significant modifications.
      1. +9
        29 January 2024 08: 05
        Looks like you're right. With the same launch vehicles, there were so many projects, not one was really completed. Even Angara, which will soon celebrate its thirtieth anniversary.
      2. +7
        29 January 2024 12: 18
        The Union of Russia inherited several incredibly respected and, without irony, historically significant “space” and rocket centers. As an example (just for example!) I will cite the Khrunichev Center and RSC Energia.
        "Khrunichev" is the birthplace of Proton, UR-100, and all orbital stations are made there.
        "Energia" is the Korolev OKB-1, R-7, the entire lunar program, manned space, these are the same stations, these are Buran and the Energia launch vehicle.
        And the ENTIRE history of Roscosmos since the collapse of the USSR is the story of pulling the blanket of budget funding between such “monsters from space.” Each design bureau had its own projects, a crowd of performers depended on each, each had a HISTORY, and luminaries spoke on behalf of each. And as long as “people from the industry” were in charge, our space was tossed from side to side from one project to another. Literally, whoever pushed his person into a leadership position, the projects became “breakthrough and revolutionary” until the new change of leadership. No matter how much they mocked Rogozin, without being “tied” to any of the camps, he was able to more or less balance the interests of the developers. ROSS received energy, Khrunichev received energy from Angara. At the same time, the middle-class launch vehicle was taken from Khrunichev and given to Energia in the form of Soyuz-5.
        If anyone thinks that it was simple, I remind you that during this “balancing” Khrunichev had to withdraw mass production from Moscow.
        This is precisely why: due to the battle of corporate interests, our space has a bunch of beautiful projects, and flies on launch vehicles developed in the 50-60s of the last century. We have the most powerful engines in the world, but we don’t have rockets with them. Well, how could it be otherwise? After all, Khrunichev did not work with the RD-170 using kerosene-oxygen, so he did not even use it for the Angara.
        Well, that's how it is with us. And not only in space. It’s no worse in aviation...
        1. +3
          29 January 2024 21: 27
          During this “balancing”, Khrunichev had to withdraw mass production from Moscow.
          Yes of course. But the cost of Moscow land has nothing to do with it? And the “removal” of academies named after. Zhukovsky and them. Gagarin to Voronezh and uniting them into one (named after Zhugarin or named after Gakovsky?) is this also for the good? This is at the same time. that the entire experimental and training base went to waste.
          1. +1
            1 February 2024 00: 49
            Well, Tupolev remained in Moscow. On the most elite of elite land. Did it help him? In your opinion, it was necessary to leave luxury real estate to Khrunichev, and? By the way, only the plant was removed from Moscow. He himself was sitting in Moscow, st. Novozavodskaya, 18, just sitting there. All large enterprises are now being withdrawn from Moscow. They simply die in it.

            Were the academies moved to Voronezh? My God, what a DRAMA! They took me out into a field, into a hole, into snow and ice! To the city where everything is what
            Voronezh State University (VSU),
            Voronezh State Technical University (VSTU),
            Voronezh State Agrarian University named after Emperor Peter I (VSAU),
            Voronezh State Forestry University named after G. F. Morozov (VSLTU),
            Voronezh State Medical University named after N. N. Burdenko (VSMU),
            Voronezh State Pedagogical University (VSPU),
            Voronezh State University of Engineering Technologies (VSUIT),
            Central Black Earth State Engineering University (CCHGIU),
            Voronezh State Institute of Arts (VGII),
            Air Force Academy named after Professor N. E. Zhukovsky and Yu. A. Gagarin (Voronezh) of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation,
            Voronezh State Institute of Physical Culture (VGIFK),
            Voronezh Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation (VI MIA of the Russian Federation),
            Voronezh Institute of State Fire Service (VIGPS),
            Voronezh Institute of Government Communications (branch) of the Academy of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (VIPS),
            Voronezh Institute of the Federal Penitentiary Service (VIFSIN),
            Central branch of the Russian Academy of Justice (Voronezh),
            YURGUES, South Russian State University of Economics and Service
            Definitely! Academies are doomed.
            1. +2
              1 February 2024 08: 19
              You don’t know well what an educational institution is and its experimental base with its teaching staff. In particular, at the Academy. The Zhukovsky building was built around wind tunnels. It is fundamentally impossible to dismantle them and take them out. New teaching staff were recruited and started working from scratch.
              On your list of universities, Voronezh is especially touching
              Voronezh State Institute of Arts (VGII), Voronezh State Institute of Physical Culture (VGIFK),
              Voronezh Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation (VI MIA of the Russian Federation),
              Voronezh Institute of State Fire Service (VIGPS),
              Voronezh Institute of Government Communications (branch) of the Academy of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (VIPS),
              Voronezh Institute of the Federal Penitentiary Service (VIFSIN),
              Central branch of the Russian Academy of Justice (Voronezh),
              YURGUES, South Russian State University of Economics and Service

              It looks like you have something from the sale of Moscow land, except that this is not written by order.
              1. -1
                9 May 2024 19: 48
                All these research institutes, design bureaus, academies with a rich history sooner or later reach the point when they have nothing else to be proud of other than history. Then they need to be mercilessly shaken up from top to bottom, not paying attention to the squeals of honored but slightly senile grandfathers. To the point of liquidating a bronzed institution and creating a new one from scratch
                It looks like you have something from the sale of Moscow land, except that this is not written by order.

                We are convinced that everything. who has an opinion different from yours, the only correct one, is definitely biased and paid for? And I think that you will be one of these same grandfathers, fit only to trump history, to which you yourself have nothing to do, and incapable of creating anything sensible yourself.
                1. -1
                  10 May 2024 13: 29
                  To the point of liquidating a bronzed institution and creating a new one from scratch
                  Oh really? And who will create, top managers? It looks like you are one of them. Good luck!
                  1. -1
                    10 May 2024 14: 29
                    Whoever can create them is least likely to find them in the current design bureaus, research institutes and academies. Moreover, the likelihood that they will even accidentally appear there is zero. Honored grandfathers will die from the world. And until these grandfathers are pinned down by sending them into retirement, there will be no point. These gray-haired “scientists” are much more dangerous than any of the most effective managers.
        2. +4
          31 January 2024 18: 08
          Balancing? Let's fly to Mars! No, let's colonize the Moon! Yes, I didn’t really want to, at first there were automatic stations. Let's do superheavy! No, we don’t, Rus' is better. No, we’re not making Rus', we’re making Union 5. Yes, we also need a super-heavy one. Maybe. And reusable too. Or it’s better for Hangar to finish. Let's abandon the ISS, we will have our own. No, we’re not giving up.
          If you call this mess balancing, then I don’t even know what to say.
          1. 0
            1 February 2024 01: 32
            You perfectly described the dramaturgy of the existence of Roscosmos since the collapse of the USSR. So whoever put his little man on the top chair, he “flew to Mars”, or the Moon.
            By the way, Soyuz 5 is not a super heavy weight. And it is this missile that replaces the Khrunichevskaya A.2. So here you are pointing your finger at the sky, this is precisely balancing. We are not “abandoning” the ISS. She was physically worn out, flew twice as long as she was supposed to. The hangar was completed, A.1 flew, A.5 flew with simulators, successfully with a real load - the payload stage crashed. The production version is planned to be launched this year. Reusable rockets were planned back in the USSR; the RD-170 was created for 10-fold use. Only there is no rocket for it.
            Everything is exactly as you described. And this has been going on since the 90s. Now there is at least some logic in development. I'm afraid, though, not for long. Borisov comes from the military-industrial complex. Khrunichev is tied to the army. This means we are waiting for the winding down of Energy programs. He also announced plans for mass production of satellites. So, ROSS and everything else, including new media, may well be curtailed or slowed down. About ROSS, Borisov already seems to be preparing the way for retreat:
            The feasibility of creating the station is determined, first of all, by a competent, systematic and very popular scientific program. The goal is to gain new knowledge, and not just send astronauts there.

            It is possible that in a few years we will hear that a “very popular scientific program” could not be formed and ROSS was “moved to the right.” And in general, first of all, the economics of serial production of 1000 satellites per year, and all these stations, tugs and other crap are all to the right.
            1. +1
              1 February 2024 12: 38
              I didn't say that Soyuz 5 is super heavy. I'm talking about the fact that they were working on the super-heavy, but they just abandoned it. Now, it seems, we need it again.
            2. +2
              1 February 2024 12: 44
              And with the ISS, you forgot how since 14 they threatened “we’ll do our own thing and we don’t care about this ISS. We definitely won’t wait until 24.” There was also something about the trampoline.
              1. -1
                3 February 2024 01: 32
                Quote: U. Cheny
                And with the ISS, you forgot how since 14 they threatened “we’ll do our own thing and we don’t care about this ISS. We definitely won’t wait until 24.” There was also something about the trampoline.

                So she exhausted her lifespan in 2004 (two thousand and four). Naturally, 10 years after the station was supposed to be removed from orbit, they began to talk about the need and there will be a new station. And what was that about the trampoline? Why are you all so excited about this trampoline? But Putin talked about the toilet, remember? :)
            3. +3
              1 February 2024 12: 51
              Well, I don’t think he came up with the idea about satellites. It’s just that in 22 it suddenly “came out” that satellites, it turns out, provide 24x7 reconnaissance, indestructible communications, and high-precision weapons. And, most importantly, the enemies have this in abundance, but for us the cat cried. Somehow both the Ministry of Defense and the previous leadership of Roscosmos had no idea about this.
              1. 0
                3 February 2024 01: 35
                Quote: U. Cheny
                Well, I don’t think he came up with the idea about satellites. It’s just that in 22 it suddenly “came out” that satellites, it turns out, provide 24x7 reconnaissance, indestructible communications, and high-precision weapons. And, most importantly, the enemies have this in abundance, but for us the cat cried. Somehow both the Ministry of Defense and the previous leadership of Roscosmos had no idea about this.


                That's not the question. It is clear that satellites are needed. But just read how many plans there are. Even with the naked eye it is clear that this program will require at a minimum the modernization of production, new projects designed for mass production and obtaining a stable element base. This means huge budget expenditures. And I believe that money for this will be redistributed from the missile program.
                1. +3
                  3 February 2024 06: 50
                  Well, firstly, as Roscosmos also unexpectedly discovered, launch vehicles without a payload are not really needed. Secondly, Borisov is very fond of large-scale projects, even unrealistic ones. Thirdly, if you scrape the bottom of the barrel and, for example, at least temporarily, give up all these pompous championships, festivals, etc., the monstrous amounts of bonuses and salaries of senior officials and managers, start jailing for kickbacks, transfer budget money directly, and do not pour them into the black hole of banks, then I think that there will be normal ones not only for satellites, but also for pensions.
                  Unfortunately, these are all fairy tales and there is no one to make them come true.
                  1. 0
                    9 May 2024 19: 54
                    If you start jailing people for kickbacks, then all these rockets and satellites may turn out to be of no interest to anyone at all. Take away the sawing interest, and it turns out that there was nothing else.
            4. 0
              1 February 2024 13: 00
              And there may no longer be a serious scientific program - the Russian Academy of Sciences was destroyed. Now all these academics are in the role of experts and advisers, nothing more. They are completely deprived of a material base and decide who to listen to, who not, the accountant.
              1. 0
                9 May 2024 19: 55
                Considering the average age of our academicians, few of them can actually act as expert advisors. More like wedding generals.
            5. +1
              1 February 2024 13: 03
              Well, all liquid engines allow repeated activation. The main thing is the method of return.
              1. 0
                2 February 2024 12: 02
                All liquid engines can be started repeatedly.

                Not everything, everything depends on the ignition system of the fuel components and oxidizer.
                1. 0
                  9 May 2024 19: 57
                  If they manage to create a working engine return system without significant damage during landing, it will be much easier to troubleshoot and restore it (if it needs to be restored) for reuse. The only problem is that returning the engine (stage) should not be more expensive than building a new product.
      3. +1
        29 January 2024 13: 08
        The budgets there are mostly utility bills for design bureaus and institutions; it is difficult to do anything meaningful with the money allocated. Only bosses for cool cars
    2. 0
      29 January 2024 18: 32
      Actually, there is something. The first module - NEM - has long been ready in hardware, was intended for launch on the ISS, they decided to convert it to ROSS, they probably change a lot of the filling. I hope they will finish it by 2028. Rather, there are more questions for Hangar A5, especially for A5M.
      The second module is the hub module - an analogue of the Prichal module on the ISS.
      There are no fundamental problems for implementation.
    3. 0
      11 February 2024 21: 24
      Boasting, yes, but without long-term planning such complex projects cannot be implemented.
  3. +18
    29 January 2024 05: 54
    It would be better if Roscosmos took up real tasks - it would provide the RF Armed Forces with a sufficient number of reconnaissance satellites that would cover at least the needs of the Northern Military District. And this is not to mention the national analogue of Starlink, which would be much more useful than orbital monsters.
    1. AUL
      +12
      29 January 2024 12: 42
      Low-budget projects are of no interest to anyone. There's nothing to steal there! (C)
    2. -3
      29 January 2024 13: 12
      Quote: Amateur
      And this is not to mention the national analogue of "Starlink"

      So the state decided not to spend a penny on the sphere in 2018, and the military, judging by its own, didn’t really care about intelligence. So, Rogozin had to use his own money to manufacture and launch satellites so that the military would remember about reconnaissance in 2022? Roscosmos is the executor, and our other departments seem to need nothing
      1. +3
        29 January 2024 13: 16
        Rogozin had to use his own money to manufacture and launch satellites

        With the money that, with his connivance (and maybe with his participation), was stolen in Vostochny.
        1. -2
          29 January 2024 13: 21
          With that money there would only be a spaceport. Put them on satellites - article. Moreover, they would solder more, an act dangerous for the authorities
  4. -2
    29 January 2024 05: 58
    The Chinese don’t have everything in chocolate; the Japs had their apparatus turn over on the Moon; this is a normal process in such a matter. You still have to do it, no matter the problems that arise. And without their own station they will easily block our access
    1. +2
      29 January 2024 11: 24
      And Korolev made mistakes; the stations “went onto undesigned trajectories.” I read on the Internet an interview with one of the old specialists who knew Korolev personally, he said “if we launch one station every 15 years, then nothing will work out for us.”
  5. +10
    29 January 2024 06: 19
    Roscosmos does not stand still. This cannot be denied. Of course, here is a schedule of launches over the past 10 years. And how beautiful everything is again, but somewhere far away, launches to the Moon every two weeks, unlimited service life of the station, science fiction and a song in one bottle. Only if you look into the eyes of reality, it becomes somehow sad. What successes does Roscosmos have besides launches and scientific missions? If this station is also built as a Science module, then we will not see the station as our ears. So we will be cabbies. And the article is, of course, “powerful”, wow, what kind of braggarts we are in it.
    1. +12
      29 January 2024 07: 26
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      The article is of course “powerful”, wow, what kind of braggarts we are in it.


      Unfortunately, there are not many authors who adequately describe Russian realities in VO. sad
    2. -2
      29 January 2024 20: 32
      Roscosmos is not only science: space communications, navigation, geodesy, meteorology, espionage, reconnaissance. Remote sensing of planet Earth. Design and construction of missiles for strategic nuclear forces, etc. “The clothes stretch their legs,” Roscosmos funding is limited, but not unlimited. The Russian Federation has retained and developed Soviet technologies and competencies, greatly increasing productivity and quality of labor. There are few states on the planet that have the full range of space competencies, less than five.
  6. +5
    29 January 2024 06: 41
    The launch of the first module of the lunar station by Falcon Heavy is planned for the 25th year (previously 24). I wonder if at this time Roscosmos will still be spending money on the “analog network” project, without even starting to build ROSS modules?
    1. +7
      29 January 2024 08: 32
      Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_8
      The launch of the first module of the lunar station by Falcon Heavy is planned for the 25th year (previously 24). I wonder if at this time Roscosmos will still be spending money on the “analog network” project, without even starting to build ROSS modules?

      They made a smart move. The NEM module for the ISS, which is ten years behind schedule, was decided to be made the first ROSS module. There is a plus to this, they can still finish it in a reasonable time and a minus. In fact, the new station will technologically remain the same ISS, with all its errors and architecture
      1. +2
        29 January 2024 11: 36
        Most likely, even more outdated than the ISS. Since the sanctioned components will now have to be thrown out of the NEM
    2. -4
      29 January 2024 12: 35
      Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_8
      The launch of the first module of the lunar station by Falcon Heavy is planned for the 25th year (previously 24). I wonder if at this time Roscosmos will still be spending money on the “analog network” project, without even starting to build ROSS modules?


      Rather than asking strange (I put it mildly) questions, it would be better to ask how much money has already been thrown down the drain by the US as part of the repeatedly renamed and reorganized “lunar” programs. Look there, in the USA. There you will have “analogue networks” and “lunar modules” and “money to master”. At the same time, maybe you will be able to understand what the cosmic scale of theft and pillaging really is. And there will be respect for Roscosmos, which, for 12% of NASA’s budget, manages to provide you and others like you with material for squeamish grumbling.
      1. +2
        29 January 2024 17: 10
        in Russia they like to count trips according to PPP, but for some reason they don’t have revenues, and meanwhile the PPP coefficient is now 2.72 and that means the real budget of Roscosmos is 33% of Nasov’s, and they do a bunch of scientific missions, there’s all sorts of Mars, asteroids, the ISS contain 80 %
        1. +3
          30 January 2024 08: 48
          Before comparing the budgets of Roscosmos and NASA, it is necessary to understand (at least clarify) the difference in their functions. Roscosmos, in a very Soviet way, is responsible for everything in space: launch vehicles into orbit (their design and manufacture), satellites and stations in orbit, even such as space telescopes at “Lagrange points” (their design and manufacture), scientific projects " Moon", for example. In addition, missiles for strategic nuclear forces submarines and missiles for strategic nuclear forces (SNF) and ground forces. In the USA, financing is structured differently, radically differently. Whether it's better or worse, everyone can judge for themselves. NASA has no factories, no design bureaus, there is only money allocated in the US budget. With this money, NASA orders delivery vehicles, rovers, automatic stations to Jupiter, the Sun, Pluto, etc. from commercial companies. As you can see, there is a very significant difference. However, NASA also complains about the lack of funds for current and future projects, staffing, and so on.
          1. +1
            1 February 2024 01: 52
            Well, to be fair, Roscosmos, although it is responsible, does not own the factories either. Formally, they are independent legal entities. faces. And Roscosmos itself does not produce either satellites or rockets. His task (officially)
            The Roscosmos State Corporation ensures the implementation of state policy in the field of space activities and its legal regulation, and also places orders for the development, production and supply of space technology and space infrastructure facilities.

            In fact, Roscosmos was created as a carbon copy of NASA. And he also just orders.
            What you are right about is that the scope of his responsibilities is broader than NASA. And he is involved in managed businesses.

            It’s just that NASA and Roscosmos are the main channel through which the state finances space programs in the USA and the Russian Federation. And by the volume of their financing, you can understand how much money is spent.
        2. +1
          1 February 2024 01: 44
          Quote: Talon
          in Russia they like to count trips according to PPP, but for some reason they don’t have revenues, and meanwhile the PPP coefficient is now 2.72 and that means the real budget of Roscosmos is 33% of Nasov’s, and they do a bunch of scientific missions, there’s all sorts of Mars, asteroids, the ISS contain 80 %

          Well, if our missiles cost objectively 12% of US prices... But no. There is no situation where something produced here is 8 times cheaper than in China or the USA. Therefore, the comparison is correct. Just not the income, but the volume of financing. Income comes from commercial activities. And all sorts of Mars-asteroids are NOT commercial projects.
          And that’s exactly how much more money is spent on space in the United States, and not only by the state, but also in parts, like Boeing, that’s how much the space exploration program and wider. In the USSR, space received funding comparable to that of the US, people there understood that miracles do not happen, you have to pay for everything. You can’t give a penny and demand a ruble.
      2. +1
        30 January 2024 07: 41
        Quote: abc_alex
        And Roscosmos will receive respect
        What are you talking about? Those who have respect for Roscosmos will continue to have it, even in empathy for some failures. Those who don’t have it will continue to criticize it; especially viciously - Rogozin, who pulled Roscosmos out of the “rocket fall” period and is no longer its head.
        1. +1
          1 February 2024 01: 57
          Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
          especially viciously - Rogozin, who pulled Roscosmos out of the “rocket fall” period and is no longer its head.


          But Borisov is already proud of the longest accident-free period in the history of Russian space. :) And he gradually began to decline the tightening of responsibility of enterprise managers and reoriented internal audit from investigations of violations to “prevention”.
          Your own people, how can you... This is not the hated “fat talker” who, without any respect for the authority of his “responsible comrades,” seated them on hard benches.
  7. +3
    29 January 2024 07: 46
    We, apparently, will no longer be able to catch up with the USA and China, but maybe we don’t need to catch up with anyone, we need to do what is useful. There's no point in running a race you've already lost.

    We need our own station, and our own lunar program too. They may move at a snail's pace, but we need to take into account the state of our economy.
  8. +8
    29 January 2024 08: 12
    Russia withdrew from the program in 2021. LOP-G is as beautiful technically as it is utopian in implementation.

    Especially when Russian technologies and competencies were removed from it.

    Let me remind you that we left because of all the technological competencies, they only asked us for a gateway made according to American standards and nothing more. All the competencies that were transferred at the beginning of work on the ISS.
    1. +4
      29 January 2024 10: 25
      After Russia was completely excluded from the program, Rogozin gracefully shrugged it off.
      Russia withdrew from the program in 2021.

      She didn’t come out, but she wasn’t there either :))
      Roscosmos General Director Dmitry Rogozin responded to the exclusion of the state corporation from the expert group on the lunar program. He reports this to TASS.
      “How can you be excluded from some kind of “lunar group” if we were never included in it?!” — Rogozin wrote.
  9. +10
    29 January 2024 08: 47
    The conclusion from the story is simple - in order not to tolerate enemy faces on the ISS, it was necessary on time....

    LOP-G is as beautiful technically as it is utopian in implementation.
    Especially when Russian technologies and competencies were removed from it.

    And this article pretends to be serious? On the topic: God forbid we double the number of spy satellites in three or four years. You can safely forget about the rest of the projects for 5-7 years.
  10. +8
    29 January 2024 09: 24
    I would like to hope...
    But experience says that everyone will fail in terms of business and deadlines.
    They always printed a lot of plans and promises.... And then they quietly stopped remembering....
    On the Internet, not in the media, you can remember that they promised to reach the Moon by 2015...

    Conclusion: with the current “negative selection” it is unlikely that any of the above will be achieved on time...
    1. +6
      29 January 2024 09: 30
      Conclusion: with the current “negative selection” it is unlikely that any of the above will be achieved on time... If at all possible. Vague doubts plague me.
  11. +10
    29 January 2024 09: 32
    A good overview of the Russian yellow press. There is nothing solid in the article.
  12. +8
    29 January 2024 10: 01
    Eh, it’s good there, probably in the Author’s future. laughing
  13. +8
    29 January 2024 10: 19
    "it was necessary to build on time...."
    This phrase characterizes all of our power. No matter what they undertake, they are already late! Only here are palaces, yachts, high fences and money in NATO countries, this is done on time all the time.
  14. +3
    29 January 2024 10: 37
    A block has passed, now let's think about space again...
    So why else should we draw so that past cartoons are forgotten? Oh exactly:
    Vostochny Cosmodrome, from which launching spacecraft to the ISS is fraught with risks.
    In the next quarter we will write that it is necessary to build a new cosmodrome and therefore, we are postponing the deadlines with ROSS for another 10 years, we are postponing rockets for 5 years, satellites... well, sanctions. And also come up with large-scale and money-sucking things! Yes, yes, yes, there is more money, but space is far away and finally we are friends with the Chinese.
  15. +6
    29 January 2024 11: 02
    Roscosmos officials appear to have an ace up their sleeve. Only it costs about 600 billion dollars, and this is a preliminary price. As soon as the real work begins, the cost will inevitably increase - there is no other way.


    Statistics of orbital launches by country:
    2003 - 61 launches
    -USA: 23 (38%)
    -Russia: 21 (34%)
    -China: 7 (11%)

    2013 - 82 launches:
    -USA: 19 (23%)
    -Russia: 33 (40%)
    -China: 15 (18%)

    2023 - 218 launches:
    -USA: 107 (49%)
    -Russia: 19 (9%)
    -China: 63 (29%)

    29.01.2024/20/XNUMX: XNUMX launches
    -USA: 10 (50%)
    -Russia: 0.
    -China: 6 (30%)
    https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_chr/lau2023.htm

    Satellites show an even sadder picture.
    1. -1
      30 January 2024 11: 03
      Where do you get the statistics for 24 and you want to say that there were already 10 launches in the USA and the month wasn’t over yet and they were firing missiles like they were firing from a machine gun, funny
      1. +1
        30 January 2024 21: 25
        Information from the site (as of January 28) https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_chr/lau2024.htm
        + information about 3 new SpaceX launches on January 29 and 30.
        And the United States already has 11 launches, Russia has 0 so far.
        1. -2
          4 February 2024 05: 42
          It’s very interesting and how you determined that there were 10 launches, I followed your link, there’s not even a year of launch or the day of the month, but only the name of the satellites, the calculation is that no one will climb or watch, but I like to climb and watch
          1. 0
            4 February 2024 08: 43
            Wikipedia provides links. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_Heavy_launches
  16. +3
    29 January 2024 11: 19
    theoretically, the service life of the ROSS is unlimited - each module can be replaced with a new one

    How will you change the node module? To replace it, the entire station must be “disassembled”.
    And yet, in the reports I saw how cables and air ducts were stretched through hatches from one module to another. Couldn't this have been thought of before?
    Well, what about cooperation in space? "Our little world" on AuthorToday, read.
    https://author.today/work/308349
  17. -3
    29 January 2024 13: 16
    What is the point of orbital stations? Space news consists of 99% of the work of telescopes on the ground or in orbit, or of data from interplanetary stations. They have been launched since the 70s, well, they found out that you can grow tomatoes in zero gravity, but people don’t grow horns because of this, and then what?
    1. 0
      29 January 2024 18: 55
      :It seems to me that there is only one meaning: assembling interplanetary ships.
      It is cheaper to observe the Earth from satellites.
      But it is more rational to assemble interplanetary spacecraft in orbit.
      1. 0
        29 January 2024 19: 19
        Well, I haven’t seen a single plan for such an interplanetary spacecraft, not even cartoons. The current situation is like buying a garage in the hope that one day a car will appear
  18. +7
    29 January 2024 14: 02
    I don’t know who this Evgeniy Fedorov is, the author of the article! But let it not even come close to space. The whole article is bravado about plans!!!
    No serious consideration of the state of affairs and the state of the industry. The author seems to be detached from the real world, but lives in a world where everything around us is beautiful!!!
    And now for specific examples...
    and also give impetus to the development of the Internet of Things in the country
    Satellites will not contribute to this in any way. The basis of the “Internet of Things” is the digitalization of technology that surrounds us in everyday life. From the car to the kettle in the kitchen. When different elements of the environment, exchanging information with the owner and among themselves, jointly perform various tasks. Orbital satellites are especially out of place here. But MASS production and IMPLEMENTATION of microprocessors of DOMESTIC production on DOMESTIC goods (since foreign ones are not imported to us, and by importing them as gray imports, their functionality for Russia is limited). And this is no longer a question of Roscosmos and the production of microelectronics, consumer goods and the financial security of citizens (no one will take our smart kettles if the salary is barely enough for basic subsistence)
    With the assistance of Roscosmos, a project of a Russian analogue of Starlink from the Bureau 1440 office is moving forward. In August 2023, with the help of three Rassvet-1 satellites, a communication session was conducted between Moscow and operators on a mountain peak in Adygea.
    It's not analogous at all. Testing the technology is important and can be useful to the military. But it’s unlikely to hit the civilian market. After all, our technologies are prohibited or limited (through sanctions) in many countries. Creating a complex and developed satellite Internet network only for the domestic market will be incredibly expensive. And for the external... China will calmly build and organize its own faster, and will offer it to its satellite countries. India easily uses Starlink itself. Latin America too! In Africa, there is a small population capable of being a regular consumer of satellite Internet. As a result, the technology will simply become a new version of data transmission for the military, which is of course good - but only if it is implemented at all (but it is unlikely to reach the civilian industry at all).
    By 2035, developers predict that about nine hundred communications satellites will be sent.
    um... how realistic... since the start of all the sanctions, our number of launches has only been falling. And now the average number of launches is around 20. To send 900 communication satellites by 2035, you need to make up to 90 satellite launches per year. And this despite the fact that no one canceled launches under other programs. And since it is impossible to immediately increase SUCH number of launches, it will be a low start, and it will have to be leveled by the fact that in some years we will need to conduct more than a hundred launches per year. This will be difficult to achieve, to say the least. Unless they start developing a platform for satellites that can be assembled into packages of several dozen satellites at a time.
    The bonuses of the new station do not end there. The design of the station provides for an open modular architecture, that is, theoretically, the service life of the ROSS is not limited - each module can be replaced with a new one.
    - do you know what other object in space is built using a modular design with a potentially unlimited operating time?) ISS!!! And before her, the WORLD was like this!!!
    But modularity did not save the first, and also does not help maintain the existence of the second; there is already talk about the imminent cessation of the ISS, which will be sunk in the Pacific Ocean. Modularity is only good if the modules are updated! And during the history of multi-module orbital stations, only small gateway modules were replaced there. But the large blocks (energy, residential or scientific), no one has EVER changed. Here at MIR, the Spektr module was damaged from a collision with a cargo ship. But he was not replaced. Or now on the ISS, NOBODY proposes to replace old blocks with new ones. No, they propose to close the station and flood it. And spend your energy on the moon.
    And so you can approach each paragraph and see a bunch of errors or inconsistencies. There is little constructive criticism and objective assessment of the provisions in the space industry. But there is plenty of empty praise of emptiness and bravado!!! Such propaganda and manipulation devalues ​​our real achievements, many of which were not even mentioned here.
    1. +1
      30 January 2024 09: 46
      it is necessary to make up to 90 satellite launches per year

      A very interesting coincidence. It was around this time last year that Space-X launched :)
  19. +3
    29 January 2024 16: 17
    All the colleagues of our cosmonauts, as we see, are exclusively from unfriendly countries. Politics, of course, is a delicate matter, but the happy faces of the ISS crew against the backdrop of bellicose rhetoric, for example, by Dmitry Medvedev, are a little discouraging.
    The conclusion from the story is simple - in order not to tolerate enemy faces on the ISS, it was necessary to build your orbital station on time.
    There is another way out. Simpler. Fail Dmitry Medvedev. And as for the “enemy faces” - our cosmonauts have already gotten used to them. Finish at least something, damned impotents, and don’t grab onto several things at once!
  20. +7
    29 January 2024 16: 51
    All the colleagues of our cosmonauts, as we see, are exclusively from unfriendly countries. Politics, of course, is a delicate matter, but the happy faces of the ISS crew against the backdrop of bellicose rhetoric, for example, by Dmitry Medvedev, are a little discouraging.

    The conclusion from the story is simple - in order not to tolerate enemy faces on the ISS, it was necessary to build your orbital station on time.


    Cosmonauts and astronauts, unlike the Medvedevs, have seen with their own eyes how tiny the globe is and do not stoop to political squabbles. They have nothing to quarrel about.
  21. +1
    29 January 2024 18: 01
    Where will the money to implement this plan come from?
    Friends, traveling to the Chinese space station beats making flashy PowerPoint presentations.
    In addition, the Chinese space station is not called Tiangong. Tiangong is the code name of the original space laboratory, which exhausted its resource and, as planned, fell into the ocean.
    1. -1
      30 January 2024 06: 15
      Quote from: 陈乐为
      Where will the money to implement this plan come from?
      Friends, traveling to the Chinese space station beats making flashy PowerPoint presentations.
      In addition, the Chinese space station is not called Tiangong. Tiangong is the code name of the original space laboratory, which exhausted its resource and, as planned, fell into the ocean.

      The problem is that the Chinese categorically refused to place the station in orbit where the Soyuz spacecraft could reach it. Therefore, it is impossible on the current ship, and when there is a new one, things will be dark
    2. +1
      30 January 2024 08: 39
      Quote from: 陈乐为
      Friends, traveling to the Chinese space station beats making flashy PowerPoint presentations.
      With such comments you are greatly slowing down the development of AI: he scoured the net and drew a picture of missile production in the Russian Federation. Maybe he will remain dumb.
  22. +4
    29 January 2024 21: 06
    The reality turned out to be completely different - at the moment, Russia has no alternative to the international station. Quitting the joint space program is necessary not only for political reasons.
    Strange logic of text construction: the sentences somehow don’t “fit together”...
    So far, in addition to the United States, Canada, the European Union and Japan have joined the project. Russia withdrew from the program in 2021. LOP-G is as beautiful technically as it is utopian in implementation.
    Especially when Russian technologies and competencies were removed from it.
    Even stranger logic, does the author really believe that they won’t be able to build this station without us?!
    ...our country has no right to lose the initiative in space
    What initiative are we talking about today?!
  23. +3
    30 January 2024 00: 49
    A high-latitude orbit will inevitably lead to an area of ​​high cosmic radiation

    Well, what good will a station in a zone of high cosmic radiation do?
  24. -1
    30 January 2024 10: 54
    And what happened so quietly with the failure of the US landing on the moon? There are no loud headlines that they messed up with the US landing on the moon or it was necessary to stick in about Russia’s failure
  25. +4
    30 January 2024 12: 48
    The reality turned out to be completely different - at the moment, Russia has no alternative to the international station.

    It’s nice that the author realizes this, otherwise he started very cheerfully)
    We will sit in the ISS project until it stops until the nuts start flying off from the housing. Having your own station is VERY expensive and VERY sweaty, and it also needs to be loaded with some kind of activity that will pay for it at least partially. We have already done all the activities in volumes like the MKS one a long time ago, for something radical we need larger volumes - because it’s a waste of time to grow fruit flies and dwarf plants in microboxes all the way. We need a large space for growing crystals and medical and biological experiments.
    In this regard, ROSS is a step back in the lineup that is presented today. Without a superheavy, we will simply build another “Mir” for experiments at the “Mir” level, including on the available level of energy supply. Of course, we will be able to do something there, but it will be a fix at the level of capabilities for several decades. At an archaic level of capabilities.

    The author is skeptical about the Americans' ability to create a station without us - and in vain. I think it would be a sin to recall whose vehicles have been riding on Mars for years, while ours could not reach the Moon. To expect that the Americans will be stopped by the lack of technology for space latrines or reusable airlocks is very naive. We DO NOT know at what level such developments are currently being carried out by their state and private owners. The private owners there are very fast, much faster than our Roscosmos. They will simply be ordered this latrine - and they will make it, because what one person has done can be repeated and improved.

    Over the past 15 years, Roscosmos has promised a lot. Let's not get excited before any of this is realized.
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  27. 0
    30 January 2024 18: 50
    Only those who do nothing make no mistakes! So ROSS is needed. And the name is good.
    1. +2
      3 February 2024 10: 58
      Yes... The title is the only thing that has been done so far. Even D. Medvedev joked about this to the former head of Roscosmos: “your main achievements are that you didn’t kill anyone today.”
  28. 0
    30 January 2024 22: 42
    In another reality, a mixed crew coexists in Earth orbit, in which two Russians - Oleg Kononenko with Nikolai Chub and the American Laurel O'Hara.

    And I was amused that at least our two cosmonauts were with one American woman!
  29. 0
    3 February 2024 17: 15
    The transport-energy module ("space tug") was not remembered yet from the previously announced achievements (not exactly on the topic of the article, but on the topic of implementing development programs). The plans were for 2030.
  30. 0
    4 February 2024 01: 39
    the happy faces of the ISS crew against the backdrop of bellicose rhetoric, for example, by Dmitry Medvedev, are a little discouraging.

    People, in general, are doing good work. For the benefit of the whole society.
    What does this clown Medvedev do?
  31. 0
    24 February 2024 21: 43
    Which solar panels are large, will the wind not break them?)))
  32. -1
    10 March 2024 21: 03
    Quote: Yeti Suvorov
    We have 300-350 billion dollars in the West frozen


    Everything is learned in....

    A few years ago, in one, not the richest chalet, an ethnic oligarch (on Ruble/Uspenskoye Highway) celebrated his birthday. his ethnic offspring.

    Holiday cost: 300 000 000 rubles.
    There was real cavalry, 1,5 dozen people's artists of Russia, a 1:1 Crusader castle, etc. "small things".

    If only every ethno-oligarch could take at least 50% of their funds for the benefit of the Russian Defense Ministry and Roscosmos!

    In one of Arabia, the main guarantor (sheikh in their name) gathered such ghouls in one hotel and kept them until they gave 1/2 of their capital to the state.

    Those who did not agree with % then rolled out in a wheelchair; the most stubborn ones simply disappeared.

    They say local plumbers spent a long time cleaning the drains, and there were supposedly some suspicious scraps and bones in the way.
  33. -1
    28 March 2024 00: 45
    I don’t believe in Russian space (everything will be stolen), only ground-based models can be built, I only believe in Soviet space.
  34. 0
    April 16 2024 11: 31
    The products are planned to be placed in low orbits at an altitude of 600 km.
    Is 600 km a LOW orbit?