About the armor-piercing shells of the Bradley automatic cannon

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About the armor-piercing shells of the Bradley automatic cannon

A lot has already been written and said about the video shot near Avdiivka, which captured the shelling of a Russian T-90M by two Ukrainian Bradleys from M242 Bushmaster cannons. After all, the incident is notable not only because the close combat itself tank and infantry fighting vehicles are an infrequent phenomenon even by the standards of the Northern Military District, but also because the tank was forced to retreat in this battle.

What specific damage he received is unlikely to be known even in the long term. However, popular rumor, mainly in the West, has already dubbed these automatic guns as a means capable of penetrating even tank armor. Which, of course, has little in common with reality, but it’s worth looking at the ammunition capabilities.



There are two shells


To begin with, it should be noted that an automatic cannon, in principle, is not the primary means of firing at heavily armored targets. For this purpose, the Bradley arsenal has Toe-type guided missiles - it is on their use that anti-tank tactics in defense or attack are primarily built.

Bushmaster has a slightly different range of goals. It includes manpower, firing points, ATGM crews and unarmored equipment - that which is affected by the M792 high-explosive incendiary projectile. As well as lightly armored combat vehicles, for the destruction of which armor-piercing ammunition is used.

There are only two of them in the BMP range: the M791, which has gradually lost all relevance, and the relatively fresh and quite lethal M919, which may have been fired at our T-90M.

Sectional view of a cartridge with an M791 projectile. Chuck length: 223 mm. Cartridge weight: 458 grams. Projectile weight: 134 grams. Tungsten core length: 70 mm.
Sectional view of a cartridge with an M791 projectile. Chuck length: 223 mm. Cartridge weight: 458 grams. Projectile weight: 134 grams. Tungsten core length: 70 mm.

The device of the cartridge with the M791 projectile
The device of the cartridge with the M791 projectile

The M791 was the “armor-piercing” basis of the vehicle’s ammunition load since the 80s and, it is worth saying, stood out significantly from the ammunition for Soviet 30-mm automatic guns common at that time, which can be seen from its design.

Unlike solid-body “blanks”, it is a tracer sub-caliber projectile, stabilized by rotation in flight. It is based on a high-strength tungsten core measuring 7x1,35 centimeters with an ogive head covered with an acute-angled ballistic tip made of aluminum alloy.

In essence, it is a tungsten bullet enclosed in a light pan, which is separated from it when it leaves a cannon barrel under the influence of powder gases and air resistance. The initial velocity of the projectile is decent - 1 meters per second, which gives not only a high firing range of 345 meters, but also relatively considerable armor penetration within the caliber.

It consists of 25 millimeters of medium-hard steel armor at an angle of 60 degrees from the vertical at a distance of 1,3 kilometers. In other words, in the usual “footage” and without tilting the armor plate - about 60 millimeters of solid steel per kilometer. This is still enough to destroy some infantry fighting vehicles, let alone armored personnel carriers and various armored cars.

However, the M791 was not without its shortcomings. Among them is a very strong drop in its flight speed at long combat distances, which naturally leads to a decrease in armor-piercing ability. And also the strong sensitivity of the tungsten core to the effects of double-barrier armor - when it hits a target equipped with steel screens or additional linings on the body, it is prone to destruction after overcoming them and is often unable to penetrate the main armor.

Sectional view of a cartridge with an M919 projectile. Chuck length: 223 mm. Projectile length including fins and plastic nose cap: 144.3 mm. Cartridge weight: 454 grams.
Sectional view of a cartridge with an M919 projectile. Chuck length: 223 mm. Projectile length including fins and plastic nose cap: 144,3 mm. Cartridge weight: 454 grams.

The device of the cartridge with the M919 projectile
The device of the cartridge with the M919 projectile

It was replaced in 1993 by the new M80 armor-piercing sub-caliber projectile, which had been in development since the late 919s. It was largely devoid of these problems and, in addition, had higher armor penetration characteristics, as required by the military, concerned about the potential increase in the security of combat vehicles of a potential enemy (which one is easy to guess).

Unlike its predecessor, the M919 uses an alloy based on depleted uranium, which is less prone to brittle fracture and provides better penetration ability, including across spaced barriers, as a material for the core.

The core itself, in order to increase kinetic energy and, accordingly, penetration, is lengthened by almost half in comparison with M791 and is made in the form of a cylindrical rod. Which, by the way, made it impossible to stabilize it in flight solely due to the rotation transmitted to it by the rifling in the Bushmaster’s barrel, since the length of the firing pin exceeded its diameter by more than seven times.

Therefore, the tail fins are used as stabilizers for the active part of the projectile, and the leading device, detachable during takeoff, ensures that the projectile is guided in the barrel and obturation of the powder gases, is designed by analogy with tank feathered sub-caliber projectiles.

The initial velocity of the projectile is 1 meters per second, and the effective firing range is two and a half kilometers. And it penetrates much more than the old M385: from a distance of one kilometer, it can punch a steel mass 791–75 millimeters thick of a vertically standing armor plate. Moreover, with increasing distance this figure does not fall catastrophically - from two kilometers a projectile is capable of penetrating 78–60 millimeters, and from three kilometers – 65–50 millimeters.


These worthy indicators determined the place of the M919 as the main armor-piercing projectile for the Bushmaster guns in the Bradley infantry fighting vehicles today. As a matter of fact, it is generally considered one of the most powerful projectiles within this caliber, and most lightly armored vehicles have no protection from it at all.

With tanks it's a different matter


With tanks, of course, the situation is completely different, since the thickness of the armor of even the most shabby T-72 of early modifications significantly exceeds that of any infantry fighting vehicle. This is especially true for the frontal projection, which is practically invulnerable to both the old M791 and the more recent M919 - there is considerable durability from shells with a caliber 5 times greater, let alone “small” ones.


The turret forehead, the equivalent of which in domestic tanks varies from modification to modification within 400–600 millimeters (for the T-90M, perhaps even more) from tank sub-caliber shells. The upper frontal part of the body with an equivalent of from 320–330 to more than 600 millimeters. And even the lower inclined frontal part of the hull, 80 mm thick, is all too much for the Bushmaster of the American Bradley, since its shells cannot even penetrate the external steel mass of the combined barriers listed above.

The only exceptions may be a few weak points from short firing distances, such as the area of ​​the commander's cupola and the gun mantlet, but the probability of hitting them is minimal. Consequently, this automatic weapon, if we take medium combat distances, can inflict the greatest damage only on external equipment: sights, viewing devices, gun barrel, external fuel tanks, and so on.

Therefore, the sides and rear of the tank are the only ones that can be hit by 25mm projection shells. And there is an example of a heavy combat vehicle being disabled by a Bradley cannon, and we are talking about the American Abrams. This incident occurred during the Iraq War, when the tank came under friendly fire and received several hits from small-caliber ammunition in the rear of the hull, as a result of which the power plant failed.

Hit by 25-mm armor-piercing shells from a Bradley gun on an Abrams tank
Hit by 25-mm armor-piercing shells from a Bradley gun on an Abrams tank

Soviet-style tanks (this includes domestic ones), actively used in the Northern Military District by both sides, of course, have little in common with the Abrams. However, given the armor penetration of M919 uranium shells, Bradley guns can suffer similar damage when fired upon.

Still, the conventional 45 millimeters of the rear armor plate - the T-72 has a little more, taking into account the slope - can hardly be called a serious obstacle for a small-caliber uranium projectile, even at long combat distances. With most other tanks, including Western ones, everything will be exactly the same.

But the ability to penetrate the stern clearly cannot qualify for anti-tank capability - almost all small-caliber guns can just as easily lay claim to this status. Moreover, with the sides of the hull and the turret everything is not so ambiguous.

It is worth recalling here that the maximum thickness of the hull sides of “seventy-two”, “eighty” and “sixty-four” hulls is on average 80 mm, with the exception of some design features regarding the distribution of steel dimensions. The thicknesses are approximately the same, with a slight spread, at the side (closer to the stern) and rear parts of the towers.

And this does not take into account the elements of the chassis (rollers, tracks), dynamic protection units on the sides of the hulls and towers and other attachments. All this serves as additional shielding, reducing the penetrating ability of projectiles and significantly complicating the destruction of the tank.

Based on this, defeat of these areas is possible, but with great conditions. After all, the shelling in this case should be carried out from the minimum possible distance (considerably less than a kilometer) so that the shells have at least some guarantee of penetrating the armor and having a destructive armor effect on the internal equipment and crew.


So the use of a 25-mm cannon in an “anti-tank” role, when the destruction of a target is required, is rather an exceptional measure, often requiring a dangerous approach to the tank and bypassing it in order to hit weakened zones. And that incident with the T-90M only confirms this rule: on the one hand, if fired into the side from a pistol range, the tank would most likely go to steel Valhalla, and on the other hand, the Bradley crews acted as real suicide bombers, only by good luck to those who escaped this fate.
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  1. +12
    28 January 2024 04: 53
    If I remember correctly, then the Ukrainian drone played a decisive role, and delirium had nothing to do with it
    1. +35
      28 January 2024 08: 21
      Anything can happen in war and this is one of those cases. In order to reduce such cases, army reform is needed. We need a unified military standard for data exchange so that all armored vehicles, artillery, air force, motorized rifles, UAVs and others are tied into a single information control and communication system; we need UAV companies, including in tank units. If all this existed and worked as it should, the UAV operators would have discovered their infantry fighting vehicles and the tank crew would have smashed them as if in a shooting gallery. But unfortunately, in our realities, tanks do not even have contact with motorized rifles, not to mention UAV operators, and this is one of the reasons for this case.
      1. +37
        28 January 2024 10: 17
        Dear ramzay21! You said it well about reform! But for reform, any kind, we need competent, experienced personnel, dedicated to the cause, and not to personal gain... And their formation requires years and years of painstaking work, collecting bit by bit the deserving, talented, and not with the basic “business quality of an officer” , in the recent past - in the form of a Moscow residence permit (registration).....
        And one of the most important issues of any war “comes to the surface” - the organization of combat and its information and technical support.... Even the T-90, alone, should not “roam” through “valleys and hills”, according to - definition... And what happened with that tank (crew) has a completely understandable definition - “criminal negligence of officials” who have a position, military rank, full name...
        1. +8
          28 January 2024 10: 39
          “Even the T-90, alone, should not “roam” through “valleys and hills”, by definition...”
          1. -2
            28 January 2024 18: 57
            So the video says that the tank was AMBUSHED where two Bradleys were hiding! It looks like the crew had not been fired upon and, having come under fire, were confused. The tank twitches to the right and left and runs into a tree. But it was necessary to engage the rear and quickly move away along the rut, hiding behind the frontal armor! Now this crew is not combat-ready, because they are filled with fear from the defeat they experienced. They need to be sent to training, where they put them in the hull of a decommissioned tank and fire at this hull for ten minutes so that the crew gets USED to being under fire! And one more thing - train the tank commander to be a drone operator and give the tanks a reconnaissance UAV to reconnaissance the situation along the vehicle’s path!
            1. +1
              28 January 2024 19: 30
              Give the tanks a reconnaissance UAV to reconnaissance the situation on the vehicle’s path!

              So, it’s clear to the horse that in addition to a reconnaissance drone, you also need air defense, at least on a local scale. This is what this war is like, not the Northern Military District, as they say.
              1. -9
                28 January 2024 21: 24
                That's right, but there is one more problem - after being fired at with uranium bullets, this T-90 must be bypassed a mile away, let alone repaired!
                1. +2
                  31 January 2024 21: 59
                  Nothing like this. Depleted uranium is depleted; its radioactivity is even lower than that of natural uranium.
            2. +7
              29 January 2024 01: 45
              Now this crew is not combat-ready, because they are filled with fear from the defeat they experienced. They need to be sent to training, where they put them in the hull of a decommissioned tank and fire at this hull for ten minutes so that the crew gets USED to being under fire! And one more thing - train the tank commander to be a drone operator and give the tanks a reconnaissance UAV to reconnaissance the situation along the vehicle’s path!
              Yeees? What?! Are you serious? laughing
              You know, I started my service (as an officer) in the USSR Armed Forces when the BMP-2 was just starting to enter the army. And so, in those days, at the “Vystrel” training ground, they tested the combat capabilities of the BMP-2. In particular, they fired at the T-62 tank with a long burst from the 2A42 BMP-2 cannon, and not with armor-piercing (AP) weapons, which we are talking about here in the title, but with fragmentation weapons (OFZ and OT)... Yes, this shelling did no harm to the crew (except psychological) would not have caused anything if it had been there then... But as further examination showed, the result for the tank was very disastrous - it became, figuratively speaking, stupidly blind-deaf-mute! All of its optics were damaged, the antenna was blown away... and the gun jammed in the vertical plane.... In fact, the tank was no longer a combat unit! So I want to ask you, what kind of show-off, in this situation, from a crew psychologically prepared using your technology?! wink

              PySy: and tell us how, in such a situation, to “quickly move back along the rut”, as you suggest? wink Do you have such experience?
              1. +1
                1 February 2024 18: 41
                Thank you. I’m not closely familiar with tanks, but from general considerations I assumed something like this - a small gun cannot penetrate the hull, but a tank as a combat unit is capable of destroying it. You confirmed this idea with a story from practice.
                1. +2
                  2 February 2024 12: 18
                  So even in the Soviet instructions to the partisans and not only they wrote - hit the optics and observation devices. Now tanks are much more dependent on sensors, thermal imagers and other things. And you can’t hide all this behind an armor plate. And even if it didn’t break, but scratched, smoked - that’s all.
                  1. +1
                    2 February 2024 17: 52
                    Well, that's exactly what I thought. Moreover, the gun, even though it’s small, can only be hit by a bullet, and then you’ll be hit. But the man told about a real example from life.
                  2. +1
                    3 February 2024 01: 08
                    So even in the Soviet instructions to the partisans and not only they wrote - hit the optics and observation devices.
                    Moreover, it was instructed to fire small arms and machine gun fire (just that) at the viewing devices and slits (and in the case of the light Pz.Kpfw. II, at the cannon)...
                    In the article, for some reason, armor-piercing shells were added to the shelling of the T-90M from Bushmasters... I don’t know how they identified them there..... But, I will say this, armor-piercing shells of small-caliber guns for a tank in the forehead are not so dangerous, like their fragmentation nomenclature... This is not the case when the Chukchi hunter Vasya, from a three-line rifle, aims (like a squirrel in the eye) the viewing slot on a Pz.Kpfw. III. From the cannon of an automatic infantry fighting vehicle they hit the tank (at the object), and not into some kind of gap.... And in this case, fragmentation shells are more relevant. Armor-piercing ones will make a lot of nicks, gouges and scratches in the frontal armor. But in order to damage an optical device, or something else, this projectile must hit it directly! Fragmentation shells, covering the surface of the tank with many explosions, damage with flying fragments everything that gets in the way of these fragments... This is exactly what I described above (from the 80s...).

                    And regarding some pseudo-experts here on the psychological training of tank crews by shelling... laughing fool - in war, as in a street (or other) fight - whoever was the first to effectively strike (blows) won! And here it’s absolutely violet how much you, before this, were morally and psychologically prepared to receive a blow to the head with a sledgehammer! laughing These two Bradleys, from an ambush, were the first to deal with the strike in full, throwing in bursts from their 25-mm bushmasters.... The result came out as in the case I described at the shooting range of the “Vystrel” course.
                    1. +1
                      3 February 2024 01: 11
                      There is a video interview with the Bradley gunner where he said that they did not have an AP and they fired with OFS shells.
                      1. 0
                        3 February 2024 22: 19
                        There is a video interview with the Bradley gunner where he said that they did not have an AP and they fired with OFS shells.
                        As it turns out! good Everything turned out just as I described!... laughing
            3. 0
              29 January 2024 06: 23
              Absolutely true, completely agree!
        2. +5
          28 January 2024 20: 25
          But for reform, any kind, we need competent, experienced personnel, dedicated to the cause, and not to personal gain... And their formation requires years and years of painstaking work, collecting bit by bit the deserving, talented, and not with the basic “business quality of an officer” , in the recent past - in the form of a Moscow residence permit (registration).....

          All this can be solved quite quickly and easily. And there are such examples in our history.
          Stalin, after Blucher’s failures at Khasan, realized that the army needed not “deserved” people who crush everyone with their authority and do not want to learn, but young people, eager to learn, brave and decisive, and therefore decided to appoint commanders of the troops at Kholkhin Goll, where the “deserved” began screw up the unknown recent regiment commander Zhukov. Everyone knows what happened next. The Japanese sat quietly until the end of the war, and Zhukov, from the corps commander at Kholkhin Goll, became the commander of the Kyiv Special Military District and became one of those young commanders who defeated the “deserved” and previously invincible German field marshals.
          Therefore, it is enough to select competent and decisive colonels or lieutenant colonels, who have proven themselves well in command and control of troops and have mastered modern communications and UAVs and have applied non-standard successful solutions, and replace them with untrained generals and dying ones. Rostec also needs replacements, and instead of the embezzler Chemezov and his gang, other people are needed, for example, the same ideological volunteers who have shown themselves to be good organizers; those who have shown themselves to be good organizers can safely be put in charge of military-industrial complex enterprises and the rear.
          But first of all, we need another leader of the country who can think strategically, who can define goals for the country that would coincide with the goals of the people, make plans and implement them decisively, and also explain the goals to the people so that everyone understands these goals and shares them.
          The current leader, as his 24 years of rule have shown, is not capable of this, and he has no goals for Russia.
          1. +5
            28 January 2024 21: 23
            Stalin, after Blucher’s failures at Khasan, realized that the army needed not “deserved” people who crush everyone with their authority and do not want to learn, but young people, eager to learn, brave and decisive, and therefore decided to appoint commanders of the troops at Khalkhin Goll, where the “deserved” everyone began to fail, the recently unknown regiment commander Zhukov.

            Think seditiously. The Terrans could not win and be right in the wars of their peoples for the independence of the countries under their control. This is clear to every school graduate: only the peoples themselves and no tyrants! (sarcasm for those in the tank). Thanks for this post.
          2. 0
            28 January 2024 21: 31
            Well, dear fellow, you have had enough in your opus. You can write and speculate a lot, more often emotions prevail, but there are no facts and there are unlikely to be any. I don’t think that Putin doesn’t think about the country rising and strengthening, and not everything is always in his power. I'm not a fan of his, but so far there are NO others!
            1. -1
              29 January 2024 17: 55
              but so far there are NO others!

              And thanks to whom are these others NOT?
            2. 0
              29 January 2024 23: 57
              Well, dear fellow, you have had enough in your opus. You can write and speculate a lot, more often emotions prevail, but there are no facts and there are unlikely to be any.

              Let's get to the facts. Putin had every opportunity to annex Ukraine to Russia peacefully until 2013. Huge sums are spent on Ukraine; according to the GDP itself, more than $200 billion was spent by it alone. What is Putin doing? And he appoints Poroshenko’s friend Zurabov as the Russian Ambassador to Ukraine, who himself finances the Maidan and actively helps Poroshenko.
              Then Maidan, supported by the Russian Ambassador to Ukraine, wins. But half of Ukraine is pro-Russian, the Ukrainian army is not combat-ready, the current President of Ukraine and almost the entire Government are in the hands of Putin. Putin has all the trump cards, just receive an official request from Yanukovych for military assistance and opposition to foreign interference and carry out a victorious SVO, with the purge of all Russophobic organizations and politicians through the hands of Yanukovych. But no, instead of a complete victory, Putin........recognizes the new Nazi government and gives the Nazis and their masters 8 years to build an army.
              The Armed Forces of Ukraine became strong and the GDP suddenly decided to conduct a military defense, which, despite the fact that it was absolutely unprepared, began to develop rapidly and our army approached Kyiv. What is Putin doing? And he makes a gesture of goodwill and flushes all the successes of our army in the first weeks down the toilet, then he surrenders the Kharkov region and Kherson with the right bank part of the Kherson region.

              What conclusions can be drawn from these facts? And the conclusions are not good at all. Here either VVP is completely out of his depth or he is a CIA agent. Personally, I have no other options.
              And the bridges on the Dnieper are still intact, which is beneficial for Ukraine and their masters in Washington, but not beneficial for our army.
              1. kig
                0
                April 24 2024 12: 42
                Quote: ramzay21
                What conclusions can be drawn from these facts?

                Yes, many questions arise here, starting from 2014, when our GDP, in fact, created future problems for itself, and then waited for it to somehow sort itself out. And this is an epic confession to the Africans (!!!), who recognize only force, that someone asked us to withdraw troops, and then “we were deceived. It would seem that anyone should understand that if your planes fly over the enemy’s capital, and on the outskirts your tanks are roaring, then the agreement will be signed much more willingly. In the end, we have what we have. Well, he has another 6 years.
            3. +2
              30 January 2024 10: 13
              It will be hard for you when Putin suddenly, for example, passes into another world. No one is eternal. And he is far from a boy anymore. More than half of his peers are already in the cemetery. What will we all do without him then? Will the country collapse immediately? Collapse and apocalypse? After all, “there are no others”! This phrase must be pronounced meaningfully and with anguish.
          3. 0
            29 January 2024 17: 54
            and he doesn’t have any goals for Russia.

            Decommunization and feudolization
          4. -1
            10 March 2024 06: 08
            Quote: ramzay21
            Zhukov from the corps commander at Kholkhin Goll became the commander of the Kyiv Special Military District and became one of those young commanders who defeated the “deserved” and previously invincible German field marshals.


            You would better remember 1941, when Zhukov was the chief of the General Staff. And what did it lead to? Fans of Konstantinich usually blame all failures on Stalin, but for you he is also a sage laughing . How to be? Who ruined almost the entire personnel army?
            1. 0
              10 March 2024 19: 26
              You would better remember 1941, when Zhukov was the chief of the General Staff. And what did it lead to? Fans of Konstantinich usually blame all failures on Stalin, but for you he is also a sage

              If you had read Zhukov’s memoirs, you wouldn’t have been spouting Goebbels’ and evil nonsense about Zhukov accusing Stalin of something. Stalin was accused only by traitors according to manuals printed by the CIA and their henchmen.
              And yes, in 1941, Stalin as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and Zhukov as the Chief of the General Staff achieved their goals and outplayed Hitler and the Reich, firstly preventing the Red Army from being encircled and destroyed, secondly in defensive battles the Nazis lost their best soldiers and thirdly Stalin was able to organize the evacuation of all factories.
              But the French and British, whose armies were considered much stronger than the Red Army, were defeated by the Germans in a couple of weeks, and Hitler himself was unable to organize the evacuation of enterprises as Stalin did.
              And yes, we can remember not only Kholkhin Goll, where one of the strongest armies in the world, the Japanese, was defeated, a closer analogue of the Northern Military District of that time was the operation to return Moldova from Romania, as a result of which not a single Red Army soldier was killed and Romania was much stronger even than Ukraine model 2022.
        3. +1
          28 January 2024 22: 30
          Quote from nordscout
          we need competent, experienced, dedicated personnel, and not for personal gain

          It also means a return to the 80s version of Soviet education implemented in Finland and the UK. A modern army cannot be built from peasants who only have faith in their heads. This means that we also need other principles of motivation, in addition to the bare-bones jingoistic propaganda.
      2. -2
        28 January 2024 12: 01
        In order to reduce such cases, army reform is needed. We need a unified military standard for data exchange so that all armored vehicles, artillery, air force, motorized rifles, UAVs and others are tied into a single information control and communication system; we need UAV companies, including in tank units.

        On the one hand YES.
        On the other hand, it is enough to “fall in love” with one PRORYV tank during a retreat, and then the key to the centralized system ends up with the enemy and the entire system becomes discredited. And with a competent approach, which our enemies cannot be denied, planned friendly fire begins on friendly units. This is exactly what Israel showed in the Gaza Strip. Where for 2 days they could not understand and understand in a much smaller theater of military operations.
        So when creating a combat automation system, it is necessary to provide systems for detecting intrusion and blocking opponents.
        1. +11
          28 January 2024 12: 43
          But on what “other side”?
          These are all details.
          Otherwise, let's fight with sticks and stones, then the enemy will capture the Kalashnikov and let's use ours from it...
        2. +2
          28 January 2024 20: 42
          On the other hand, it is enough to “fall in love” with one PRORYV tank during a retreat, and then the key to the centralized system ends up with the enemy and the entire system becomes discredited.

          If the current untrained generals do this, then they will do so, or better yet, do nothing at all, they have stated many times that there is a connection, although for them the connection is such a tube thing with which their grandfathers took Berlin in 1945.
          And such issues can be easily resolved by literate people. For example, by entering a password to turn on the device, by UAV operators monitoring the possible access of communications equipment to the enemy, by the presence of conditional phrases for inclusion in the network and for requesting a camera in each device activated together with a microphone in wiretapping mode by the communications control service. These measures alone will limit enemy access to communications, and I am not an expert.
      3. 0
        30 January 2024 13: 02
        They recently wrote that Hamaz, having received control devices from a damaged Israeli tank, forced the Israelis to shoot at each other for more than a day. Therefore, for a unified information system, a lot needs to be provided.
      4. 0
        31 January 2024 10: 04
        It was enough to attach a couple of UAV operators with reconnaissance and attack drones to the tank. The picture would be completely different.
        In the realities of today, drone operators are the eyes and communications on the battlefield and the primary task is to provide operators for each such sortie.
    2. +12
      28 January 2024 08: 56
      Judging by those posted online, there were at least 2 such cases. And here questions arise regarding the training of tank crews - you also need to be able to shoot from a gun at an infantry fighting vehicle more than once and not get hit! Why do tanks “roam in splendid isolation” across the fields , not seeing an enemy infantry fighting vehicle walking nearby? Or even as many as 2? Why was there no covering fire to exit the battle? What happened to the tanks - they were captured by the enemy, they were destroyed, they were simply abandoned?
      1. +14
        28 January 2024 12: 47
        As I understand it, war is not a tank biathlon. And here the enemy is cunning, insidious and brave. We didn’t get tired of using an infantry fighting vehicle against a tank.
        1. -6
          28 January 2024 18: 50
          Quote: Neo-9947
          As I understand it, war is not a tank biathlon. And here the enemy is cunning, insidious and brave. We didn’t get tired of using an infantry fighting vehicle against a tank.

          The description of the video said it was an ambush. VSUki counted on the effect of surprise and there were two of them (Bradley infantry fighting vehicles) against one (T-90M tank). That's why they didn't piss on an infantry fighting vehicle against a tank. "It's easier to beat a dad in a bunch."
          1. +2
            28 January 2024 19: 31
            Yes, it’s in droves, of course....
            But go ahead and ambush the T-90M. It has 125 mm plus protection, these 25...
            Anything that goes wrong will dismantle him into atoms and send him straight to Bandera without talking.
          2. +2
            29 January 2024 01: 06
            Quote: Sergei N 58912062
            The description of the video said it was an ambush. VSUki counted on the effect of surprise and there were two of them (Bradley infantry fighting vehicles) against one (T-90M tank). That's why they didn't piss on an infantry fighting vehicle against a tank. "It's easier to beat a dad in a bunch."

            Continuing your logic - 10 soldiers in a Moskvich, having made an ambush, should not piss against a modern tank.
        2. +1
          28 January 2024 20: 21
          Dear Sergei N 58912062! Probably there were Russians in the BMP too, and Russians know how to fight.....
      2. +3
        28 January 2024 14: 41
        Why do tanks “in splendid isolation” wander through the fields, not seeing the enemy infantry fighting vehicle walking nearby?

        I’ll add: Why did their surveillance equipment, in this case a drone, control this area, but ours, most likely, did not?
      3. +3
        28 January 2024 14: 51
        And here questions arise regarding the training of tank crews - you also need to be able to shoot from a gun at an infantry fighting vehicle more than once and not get hit!

        It’s easier to shoot at the firing range than in combat—the target doesn’t get shot back.
        tanks “in splendid isolation” wandering through the fields, not seeing the enemy infantry fighting vehicle walking nearby?

        From time immemorial, tanks have had problems with visibility.
        1. 0
          28 January 2024 18: 54
          From time immemorial, tanks have had problems with visibility.

          So this problem needs to be solved.
        2. 0
          28 January 2024 19: 03
          From time immemorial, tanks have had problems with visibility.

          So this problem needs to be solved.
          Israeli Iron Vision system from Elbit Systems.
          1. +1
            28 January 2024 20: 47
            Even for aviation this is expensive and is still used to a limited extent, and even more so for tanks. Moreover, it is assumed that the tank is often under fire, the cameras will fail, and the conditions of the electronics are also not simple.
      4. +8
        28 January 2024 17: 19
        Quote: Thrifty
        questions for training tank crews - you also need to be able to shoot a gun at an infantry fighting vehicle more than once and not get hit!

        And you try to fight after the shelling of Bradley, with a broken fire control system, broken hydraulics and electrics, even when they are working on you very sensitively and your head is ringing like a bell from shells hitting the tank. Keep in mind that Bradley shot first and was able to disable the fire control system.
        Quote: Thrifty
        Why do tanks “in splendid isolation” wander through the fields, not seeing the enemy infantry fighting vehicle walking nearby?

        What makes you think that he went there alone? The tank was part of the assault group; both sides have not sent large forces for a long time, mainly a tank, 2-3 infantry fighting vehicles and a battalion of fighters. The group was noticed, brought closer and unwound. The tank was cut off from the others, or there were no others, and it was covered with artillery and drones. This war is like that, eyes are everywhere and many assaults are initially doomed to death before even reaching the line.
      5. +1
        29 January 2024 23: 37
        “This raises questions about the training of tank crews—you also need to be able to shoot a gun at an infantry fighting vehicle more than once and not get hit!” - so the Bradley T-shke and the panoramic and combined sights were demolished, where can you get from a tank without a sight? They tried, but when they hit you point-blank, little will happen.
    3. +6
      28 January 2024 17: 04
      Quote: Sunrise
      The Ukrainian drone played a decisive role, and Bradley had nothing to do with it

      Bradley disabled the T-90 fire control system with his first salvo, which led to three shots fired almost point-blank at Bradley, but without a hit. This moment was decisive in my opinion. Then the tank only survived, without the opportunity to respond.
  2. +3
    28 January 2024 05: 08
    It is useless to arrange disputes, the audience is not only divided, it is also clearly biased by interests, or even paid in advance...
    And so, different things happen, but the overall, final result is important...
    1. +2
      28 January 2024 12: 48
      Dear rocket757! About “engagement and being paid in advance” - you got carried away... We are not on the TOP show on TV "Hello Andrey".... It happens! I will say one thing, it’s bad when the road to the “final result” is paved with “200” and a lot of damaged modern military equipment...
      1. +3
        28 January 2024 13: 48
        “All life is a game”... I didn’t come up with that. However, there are many things in our lives that we really don’t want to understand and accept.
        I would write that every sandpiper praises his swamp, would this be somehow different from what he wrote earlier?
        About the results... they will be terrible, many will not like it, and what, do you have options, suggestions on how to change this?
        I won’t even suggest it, because... everything is decided in other places, which are far from us.
      2. +2
        28 January 2024 14: 38
        Quote from nordscout
        I will say one thing, it’s bad when the road to the “final result” is paved with “200” and a lot of damaged modern military equipment...

        Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side ...
        1. 0
          28 January 2024 19: 12
          Quote: Hagen
          Quote from nordscout
          I will say one thing, it’s bad when the road to the “final result” is paved with “200” and a lot of damaged modern military equipment...

          Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side ...
  3. -19
    28 January 2024 05: 13
    Moreover, there were many factors that the author ignored, and if God forbid in that battle the tower would have stopped and started working properly, then all that was left of these Bradleys was a pile of scrap metal, let the Ukrabenderites pray that they remained alive and not the nonsense that the author wrote
    1. +23
      28 January 2024 05: 52
      Before the turret failed, the tank fired at Bradley three times and missed three times.
      By the way, they could have pierced the side of the tower while it was spinning. Lucky it's not Bofors
      1. -3
        28 January 2024 10: 24
        Quote: Tlauicol
        missed three times

        How is this possible?
        There I pressed the button - the rangefinder accepted the range, then the shot was adjusted for it and the type of projectile (it seems that it also happens for wind speed).
        It is realistic to miss only if the target is buried in the ground (smooth guns have higher vertical dispersion).
      2. BAI
        -1
        28 January 2024 12: 17
        Somehow I didn’t notice any shooting at Bradley there. With 3 shots I would have somehow hit it
        1. +5
          28 January 2024 12: 35
          Quote: BAI
          Somehow I didn’t notice any shooting at Bradley there. With 3 shots I would have somehow hit it

          Nevertheless, it is so. The full video is about 16 minutes.
    2. +8
      28 January 2024 08: 02
      What's wrong with what the author wrote? He simply reviewed the technical characteristics of the objects, using a specific example. Nonsense is being out of touch with reality or not drawing conclusions from what happened.
  4. +16
    28 January 2024 05: 14
    And I was worried about only one question:
    “How did the Russian tank end up in splendid isolation or is this a tactic?”
    1. +16
      28 January 2024 05: 22
      Quote: ROSS 42
      “How did the Russian tank end up in splendid isolation or is this a tactic?”
      with disgusting intelligence and communications, the result is logical. carelessness in general.
      1. 0
        28 January 2024 10: 29
        Quote: Aerodrome
        with disgusting intelligence

        Here the question arises: are FPV drones needed if there is not enough reconnaissance.
        Well, of course, the main thing is that there are so few satellites.
    2. +19
      28 January 2024 05: 36
      A single tank, without infantry support, that finds itself in enemy territory and surrounded is doomed, regardless of the presence/absence of enemy armored vehicles. A couple of shots from an RPG-7 could lead to a much sadder result. The tactics of using tanks in the Northern Military District is a big question.
    3. BAI
      0
      28 January 2024 12: 19
      Russian tank found itself in splendid isolation

      How did “Alyosha” end up alone against the crowd?
      1. +7
        28 January 2024 12: 37
        Quote: BAI
        Russian tank found itself in splendid isolation

        How did “Alyosha” end up alone against the crowd?

        His art and drones supported him. Art has sorted out a lot there
        1. +2
          28 January 2024 12: 47
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Quote: BAI
          Russian tank found itself in splendid isolation

          How did “Alyosha” end up alone against the crowd?

          His art and drones supported him. Art has sorted out a lot there

          Plus a minefield
      2. +1
        28 January 2024 12: 38
        Quote: BAI
        How did “Alyosha” end up alone against the crowd?

        Here's the material:
        https://www.kp.ru/daily/27538.5/4804591/
  5. +10
    28 January 2024 05: 31
    What surprises me most about this story is the lack of even attempts to launch TOW missiles.

    As the author quite rightly writes, the Bradleys were developed taking into account a possible confrontation with Soviet tanks, they pose a danger to them, and it is for such a case that anti-tank missiles are included in the arsenal. Bradleys successfully hit Soviet T-72s in Iraq many times. Imagine my amazement when I began to google examples of such duels and read that "...The Bradleys fired smaller rounds, but they were a particularly dangerous variety made from depleted uranium that penetrated the armor of heavier Iraqi vehicles. “I had two Bradleys... One took out three T-72s and the other took out two,” Lyle said." - link from 2003, which excludes propaganda connection to current events.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/05/sprj.irq.lyle/

    I have no idea other than that the Ukrainians did not have TOW missiles in their ammunition, or the crews were not trained to fire them.
    1. +4
      28 January 2024 08: 59
      Quote: Proctologist
      I have no idea other than that the Ukrainians did not have TOW missiles in their ammunition, or the crews were not trained to fire them

      We decided to capture the tank
    2. +5
      28 January 2024 10: 28
      Quote: Proctologist

      I have no idea other than that the Ukrainians did not have TOW missiles in their ammunition, or the crews were not trained to fire them.
      Or TOW has a dead zone (like Malyutka) and cannot be used close to it.
    3. +1
      28 January 2024 10: 34
      It’s good that it didn’t happen; the crew had a better chance of surviving, although I don’t know what eventually became of them.
    4. +3
      28 January 2024 11: 33
      The missile launch distance was too short
    5. +2
      28 January 2024 14: 56
      What surprises me most in this story is the lack of even attempts to launch TOW missiles

      there the distance was small and the battle time was short. ATGM is better from an ambush and from a distance, and not in such a dynamic battle.
    6. 0
      28 January 2024 19: 21
      I have no idea other than that the Ukrainians did not have TOW missiles in their ammunition, or the crews were not trained to fire them.

      It is quite possible that there were no missiles. It is quite possible that the crews of these Bradley infantry fighting vehicles were not trained to fire them. It is possible that TOW missiles have a dead zone and if they are too close to the target they will not be able to fire the missile.
    7. 0
      28 January 2024 23: 23
      Pointless. T-90M is the first domestic tank after 64/80BV and 72B closed DZ is correct and good. Yes, and the remote control is decent. In essence, this would be a way to merge a couple of missiles. Why, when it’s already sorted out?
      1. 0
        29 January 2024 05: 21
        Hmm... Well, this is an afterthought that "sorted out well." In a fight with a heavier opponent, to have so much composure and confidence in victory, so as not to try to come in with trump cards (ATGM), looks amazing to me. If they fired but didn’t hit, or the fuse didn’t arm because the distance was too short (which we saw in Mariupol with NLAW), this would be expected and understandable to me. The version that they initially wanted to capture the tank is also doubtful - it is a combat-ready tank, with an ammo capacity, capable of maneuvering and shooting! Of course, it’s not harmful to want, but... but...
  6. +15
    28 January 2024 06: 09
    The tank not only could not shoot, but also could not leave. Those who watched the video noticed that the tank tried to do this, but only moved backwards and forwards. Couldn't maneuver. And the most annoying thing is that there was no one to help the tank from our side.
    1. +10
      28 January 2024 07: 01
      Shot. Past. Three times. I drove back and forth, perhaps so as not to let the side slide and fall into a rut.
      1. -2
        28 January 2024 13: 41
        Quote: Tlauicol
        Shot. Past. Three times. I drove back and forth, perhaps so as not to let the side slide and fall into a rut.

        Before this, having received at least one drone in the forehead.
        1. +1
          28 January 2024 14: 07
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Shot. Past. Three times. I drove back and forth, perhaps so as not to let the side slide and fall into a rut.

          Before this, having received at least one drone in the forehead.

          Where did the firewood come from?
          Anything could happen: a breakdown, an RPG, or just a yawn... The video is only from the other side, but they posted a video of finishing off with a drone
          1. +1
            28 January 2024 17: 38
            Quote: Tlauicol
            Where did the firewood come from?
            Anything could happen: a breakdown, an RPG, or just a blunder...

            And from the video, at least one explosion occurred before contact with the infantry fighting vehicle, so the misses could well have been the result of broken optics.
            1. -1
              28 January 2024 19: 09
              Before contacting the BMP, the tank fires from a cannon. There are no FPV drones. That side posted the drone attack for finishing both from the side and from the first person
              1. 0
                29 January 2024 04: 20
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Before contacting the BMP, the tank fires from a cannon. There are no FPV drones. That side posted the drone attack for finishing both from the side and from the first person

                “That” side in propaganda can post cut up footage as it pleases. And the full frames look something like this.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvmpcLbZFA

                25-30 seconds.

                Well, maybe, although most likely not a drone, but definitely not 25 mm.
                1. -2
                  29 January 2024 06: 49
                  Yes, although it's a short video. The tank fires from a cannon, Bradley drives up... There are no drones there, except for finishing off
                  1. +1
                    29 January 2024 06: 55
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    Yes, although it's a short video. The tank fires from a cannon, Bradley drives up... There are no drones there, except for finishing off

                    I do not understand anything. Are you denying the obvious? For 30 seconds there is a clear and large flash, Bradley has not even entered the intersection yet, let alone opened fire, the video quality is low, the drone simply will not be visible from such a distance! Or do you write from your videos?
                    1. -1
                      29 January 2024 07: 00
                      Then three more similar flashes at Bradley - the tank is firing.
                      What to understand here: a tank is firing from a cannon on the outskirts of the village, an infantry fighting vehicle is approaching... The tank is firing at the infantry fighting vehicle, but it is too late.

                      Compare these 125ki flashes to the drone hit at the end
                      1. +1
                        29 January 2024 07: 26
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        Then three more similar flashes at Bradley - the tank is firing.
                        What to understand here: a tank is firing from a cannon on the outskirts of the village, an infantry fighting vehicle is approaching... The tank is firing at the infantry fighting vehicle, but it is too late.

                        THEN, this is the defining word, the tank received a blow to the frontal armor, with very likely damage to the optics, BEFORE.
                      2. -1
                        29 January 2024 07: 41
                        Defining words: “three identical flashes.” He could have received damage BEFORE only from his own shot.
                        If they had 4-5 (together with the last one) drones, why would they even risk Bradley? And persistently hit the tank with them in the most protected place.
                        No, there's a tank firing. Exactly the same flashes as later. Compare to the drone hit at the end. Nothing in common
                      3. +1
                        29 January 2024 08: 32
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        He could have received damage BEFORE only from his own shot.

                        In my opinion, you should get stronger glasses if you don’t see the explosion, and a powerful explosion on the tank/near the tank itself. And if you don’t see the subtitles, which say that even before the first Bradley entered the line of fire, the tank received a hit from either a FPV or an ATGM. And “your own explosion” is stupid, because HE shells are cocked at a certain distance, tens of meters, from the tank.
                        Quote: Tlauicol

                        If they had 4-5 (together with the last one) drones, why would they even risk Bradley?
                        Yes, at least a hundred, if there is one operator, he is limited to 1 drone in the air, drones do not always explode when they hit a grid, and simply not always.
                      4. -2
                        29 January 2024 10: 59
                        and there is no “explosion of its own”, there is only a shot from a cannon. Compare it to three other 125 shots. They are the same as 4 drops of water. Either it’s 4 drones in the air at the same time (which you yourself reject) and a fifth one, which exploded in a completely different way (+ recording from it and him from different angles), or it’s 4 shots from a cannon (first at infantry, or some other target, then three at Bradley by) and a drone to finish off.
                        as for subtitles and voiceovers - watch a dozen other videos, what's the problem?, and listen
                      5. +2
                        29 January 2024 11: 54
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        as for subtitles and voiceovers - watch a dozen other videos, what's the problem?, and listen

                        "a dozen other videos" begins with BMP fire.

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        and there is no “explosion of its own”, there is only a shot from a cannon. Compare it to three other 125 shots.
                        Did you put something in your eyes? What identity, what nonsense? There is only one shot with an observed explosion of a HE projectile, and the explosion was at a distance of 20 meters from the tank due to hitting a microrelief element! Because our tanks cannot shoot under their tracks.

                        The remaining two explosions - the brightest with a fire is the shooting of IR grenades, and the last one is the fire and detonation of a remote sensing element.



                        Either it’s 4 drones in the air at the same time (which you yourself reject) and a fifth one, which exploded in a completely different way (+ recording from it and from different angles)
                        Some kind of idiocy. You don't seem to know the difference between FPV drones and surveillance drones...




                        A person who does not know certain things is incompetent. But if at the same time he does not want to know these things, then he is wretched.
                        Why argue with a person who doesn’t know about arming shell fuses, and that domestic tanks, in principle, cannot fire under their own tracks? He doesn't know and doesn't want to know.
                      6. -2
                        29 January 2024 12: 14
                        Pfft, so much pathos and insults...
                        I have already written to you that there is no explosion of a shell after a tank fires. Don't attribute your voices in your head to me. And there is no hit by the drone before contact with the infantry fighting vehicle.
                        Regarding four drones in the air, this is, of course, idiocy (quote). There weren't any. And there could be no hits. And there were 4 shots from the tank. All are the same. (And you don’t need to tell me here about DS or IR grenades, I’m talking about a tank gun). Four shots: one before contact with the infantry fighting vehicle, and three during.
                        Ps. Have you compared the explosion of a drone at the end of a battle to shots from a cannon? And do you also recommend glasses for me?
                      7. +2
                        30 January 2024 00: 24
                        He is right. In most videos, the beginning is cut off for some reason, apparently to make Bradley look cool. But in fact, when Bradley was just approaching, the T-shka was definitely hit. And it was precisely this hit on the tank; he later tried to shoot at Bradley when he had already arrived.
                        I heard somewhere in TG that initially everything there was covered with cassettes, apparently that’s when the tank started having problems, and when Bradley appeared and came across the tank, it was already quite damaged.
                      8. -1
                        30 January 2024 05: 49
                        Anything could happen, even a grenade launcher. But before contact with Bradley, the tank fires from a cannon (possibly against infantry). This is not a hit. The flash is identical to the three subsequent shots fired at the infantry fighting vehicle. Getting hit by a drone in the end is like night and day.
                        There are many videos on Spanish and Ukrainian YouTube that start before contact with Bradley and are not cut off
    2. +2
      28 January 2024 10: 31
      Quote: Stas157
      but I only drove backwards and forwards

      I could do it backwards.
      And in theory, once it goes forward/backward, it can also turn.
      Apparently the version already voiced here by others about “so as not to expose the board” is the most probable.
    3. 0
      28 January 2024 10: 31
      Quote: Stas157
      but I only drove backwards and forwards

      I could do it backwards.
      And in theory, once it goes forward/backward, it can also turn.
      Apparently the version already voiced here by others about “so as not to expose the board” is the most probable.
    4. -5
      28 January 2024 14: 34
      but here it’s really a shame... if they “teared down everything”, then in principle, you can “slap it on a magnet” (near the hatch), at least a car rear view camera on a wire... (and point the gun at the tracers coaxial machine gun)
      1. +2
        28 January 2024 17: 34
        I imagine the feeling in the armor of a tank when they hit it with armor-piercing weapons, making holes in the armor as long as a finger, like inside the Tsar Bell, when Thor himself hits it with a sledgehammer. There, contusions and other torn membranes are guaranteed. Plus there are still chips flying all over the BO. And probably the thought is getting louder and louder in my head, another shell will light up the weapon, or something else, it’s time to get out. The last people I would blame in that episode were the tank crew.
        1. -3
          28 January 2024 18: 29
          but they didn’t penetrate... (and from the front projection, in principle, they couldn’t) and there couldn’t have been any concussions, secondary fragments or anything like that...
          1. 0
            2 February 2024 00: 06
            Quote: prodi
            so they didn’t break through..


            The tank was fired not only from the frontal view and at the thickest parts of the armor. Bradley's crews are well aware of the weak points of the T-72 tanks and its continuation, the T-90, and hit everywhere. You cannot know whether the armor was penetrated or not. With 100mm penetration, a pair of darts could easily fly between the rollers in the BO and, for example, break the AZ. If there had been no penetration, the tank would have remained in motion before leaving this place, but as the video shows, the driver lost control and drove into a tree, after which the crew left the vehicle.

            Quote: prodi
            and there could not have been any concussions, secondary fragments or anything like that...


            Where such confidence? They hit with BOPS with 1500 m/s and about 100 mm penetration, these are very powerful and deep blows, which are enough for the BO to be destroyed inside, if not completely and fatally for the crew, then chips of paint, all sorts of plastic devices, glass, everything flies along with the dust into BO. In short, something like what I saw on some official video from a camera from a tank fired from a small-caliber gun by a tank. Even without penetrating the armor, the effect of BOPS strikes is such that it is impossible to effectively carry out a combat mission.
      2. 0
        28 January 2024 19: 26
        Quote: prodi
        but here it’s really a shame... if they “teared down everything”, then in principle, you can “slap it on a magnet” (near the hatch), at least a car rear view camera on a wire... (and point the gun at the tracers coaxial machine gun)

        prodi you fool!
        1. 0
          29 January 2024 14: 10
          yes, I... but I see there are no changes in the madhouse
          1. 0
            19 March 2024 18: 53
            Quote: prodi
            yes, I... but I see there are no changes in the madhouse

            You're clearly from there.
  7. -14
    28 January 2024 06: 28
    If a tank shot at milk three times, the gunner is an illiterate drunken cobbler. flog him with spitzrutens and force him to spend the night near the optics without getting out of the tank. because of him the crew are unarmed suicide bombers.
    the tank was moving in a straight line back and forth, or the goose came off from an invisible side, or there was a problem with the clutches. the tower jammed... they took a hard hit in the snot. Questions for the tank commander. did not put together a crew. After all, they’re not eighteen-year-old boys in a car.
    1. +15
      28 January 2024 07: 39
      Anyone can sit there, we didn’t have one full-time mechanic on our 3 infantry fighting vehicles; they found them at night and drove them across the field with them to attack and went. The heads should be shot at all these heroic stripes for coming up with such a plan
    2. +15
      28 January 2024 08: 59
      When I served conscripts, once at the training ground, I watched a salvo from Tunguska on a target - an old tank, I don’t remember which tank, something ours, Soviet, and so after the salvo there was nothing left on the tank except the hull itself, the target stood on its side , the turret was simply shaved, everything that stuck out above the plane was licked off, the barrel was actually torn off, the harp, the rollers, from the side of the shelling, were a mess. The Afghans said that Shilka shaves just as well.
      In the above example, two Bradleys were hitting the air defense system, if (as is most likely) the optics were broken and the barrel was holed, then what questions should you ask the gunner? And, as far as I remember, the ability to aim and shoot is duplicated by the tank commander.
      I agree with those expressing bewilderment, how did the tank get ambushed? But, if you hit and leave, then it’s worth a lot.
      1. +6
        28 January 2024 11: 29
        They left, leaving the tank. Then they burned him with a drone
      2. +3
        28 January 2024 12: 02
        Good story. It would be nice to photograph the tank before and after the heavy fire. Sin. good
        1. 0
          1 February 2024 20: 56
          91 years old, however)
          With cameras at the training ground, here, you could dashingly grab the edges)
          Yes, and Tunguska, it seems, was still secret... But this is not certain)
    3. +5
      28 January 2024 14: 57
      If a tank shot at milk three times, the gunner is an illiterate drunken cobbler. flog him with spitzrutens and force him to spend the night near the optics without getting out of the tank. because of him the crew are unarmed suicide bombers.

      We are all brave men from the couch, under fire it looks a little different.:((
  8. +2
    28 January 2024 06: 36
    By the way, in Hitler’s Wehrmacht, tank crew members were trained taking into account the predisposition of the human body. intelligence, reaction speed, vision, memory, education....there is something to learn....but it’s too late....we have what we have.
    1. -6
      28 January 2024 11: 35
      And how did this help Hitler's Wehrmacht?
      1. +5
        28 January 2024 14: 49
        And how did this help Hitler's Wehrmacht?

        Ultimately, not at all, but it did have a significant impact on the loss ratio...
        1. -3
          28 January 2024 23: 29
          The loss ratio there is 1 to 1,15. Mostly due to the giant boilers of the 41st. The influence is not noticeable
      2. 0
        29 January 2024 23: 05
        It helped not to end back in 1940 (although, of course, it would have been better for the German people).
  9. +6
    28 January 2024 07: 56
    The war is going on and the case with Bradley is proof of what can happen. And Bradley or Marder is not so important. But that’s why the T-90 crew was ambushed. If you look at the Merkava sensibly, they also knock out the same from the RPG-7 and plant explosives. The conclusion must be drawn , why there is no communication, why the tankers were ambushed (if it was reconnaissance), why without cover.
  10. -7
    28 January 2024 08: 05
    The main thing is that the crew is alive and will be able to write explanatory notes about who did what in battle, and the commanders who sent them on the mission will also write. And the appropriate conclusions will be drawn.
    If they were attacked by ATGMs and UAVs and Bradley guns and the crew is alive, then the design of the tank will continue to improve at the same level. soldier
    1. +8
      28 January 2024 10: 39
      There are big doubts about “and appropriate conclusions will be drawn.” Well, will they find the “switchman”, one of the junior commanders?
      1. -10
        28 January 2024 13: 03
        This is what happens in America. Our Russia is a little different, Alex.
        1. -1
          29 January 2024 00: 07
          Here in Russia this is exactly what happens. At all times and under any government.
          1. 0
            29 January 2024 08: 22
            Only an American can take such a NICK. Or a crazy Russophobe.
            1. 0
              29 January 2024 08: 39
              “What does it have to do with it at all times and under any government” - this is your attitude towards our country. So who are you after that?
            2. 0
              29 January 2024 10: 09
              I'm tired of explaining. For you personally, once again. Nick was formed from a passion for bench modeling. He built dioramas - copies of aircraft carriers.
              And yet, by definition, a Russian Bolshevik cannot be a Russophobe. I have a negative attitude towards the government, especially the current one. I hope there is no need to explain why I don’t like the bourgeois government? In the Soviet regime, virtues prevailed, but, unfortunately, bureaucracy was not excluded. And the formula “I’m the boss, you’re a fool” had to be overcome with a fight. There were opportunities. Unlike the modern Russian Federation, where everything is much worse. “I am the master, you are the slave.”
              It is not customary to poke someone you don’t know. It seems like you’ve been on the site for a long time, it’s strange.
              1. 0
                29 January 2024 17: 21
                You can, of course, blame your personal failures on the state, but without it you can’t, but as Shirvindt (actor) says, you need to live and enjoy life under any government.
                In the Soviet Army and in the Russian Army, after such incidents as with a tank, there is always an analysis and everyone writes explanatory notes or reports. This is a normal procedure, and ninety-nine percent of the time no one shifts responsibility to junior commanders.
                But middle and senior command staff are usually punished.
                I served and I find your statement unpleasant: “And at all times and under any power” hi
                1. +1
                  29 January 2024 20: 15
                  So I served too. The same junior commander.
                  It’s time to forget about the SA and its system of responsibility. In the realities of the bourgeoisie, big stars and positions are status, benefits and opportunities, in many ways, to the service and the army, which have a very indirect relationship. The courage, and often the heroism of our soldiers, does not coincide with the control system. How many years have passed since 41, but the problems are still the same - intelligence and communications. hi
                2. 0
                  30 January 2024 10: 56
                  Quote: V.
                  You can, of course, blame your personal failures on the state, but without it you can’t, but as Shirvindt (actor) says, you need to live and enjoy life under any government.
                  In the Soviet Army and in the Russian Army, after such incidents as with a tank, there is always an analysis and everyone writes explanatory notes or reports. This is a normal procedure, and ninety-nine percent of the time no one shifts responsibility to junior commanders.
                  But middle and senior command staff are usually punished.
                  I served and I find your statement unpleasant: “And at all times and under any power” hi

                  And who was punished and how for the lack of uniforms in warehouses?
                  1. 0
                    30 January 2024 11: 03
                    But no way. Are you saying that the Northern Military District has begun but the mobilized don’t have uniforms? The responsible general was simply removed and that’s all. And those who were mobilized bought uniforms from private companies. What do you want, capitalism?
                    1. 0
                      31 January 2024 06: 33
                      Quote: V.
                      But no way. Are you saying that the Northern Military District has begun but the mobilized don’t have uniforms? The responsible general was simply removed and that’s all. And those who were mobilized bought uniforms from private companies. What do you want, capitalism?

                      Where did they take it? For a new bread position. But for me, it was necessary to send him to the trenches to those who did not receive uniforms, and not as an officer but as an ordinary shooter.
  11. +5
    28 January 2024 08: 09
    Thanks to the author for a quality article.
  12. +2
    28 January 2024 08: 32
    Quote from moneron
    If a tank shot at milk three times, the gunner is an illiterate drunken cobbler. flog him with spitzrutens and force him to spend the night near the optics without getting out of the tank. because of him the crew are unarmed suicide bombers.
    the tank was moving in a straight line back and forth, or the goose came off from an invisible side, or there was a problem with the clutches. the tower jammed... they took a hard hit in the snot. Questions for the tank commander. did not put together a crew. After all, they’re not eighteen-year-old boys in a car.

    It is, of course, so, count on yourself, but they said correctly above, in the absence of communications and intelligence, we will continue to liberate the Donetsk and Lugansk regions for more than one year.
  13. -12
    28 January 2024 08: 44
    And such a projectile costs like a piece of gold, comparable in weight.
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    2. +4
      28 January 2024 09: 04
      Well, if you think like that, then everyone should be given bows and spears, they generally cost pennies.
    3. +1
      28 January 2024 13: 56
      Quote from voffka
      And such a projectile costs like a piece of gold, comparable in weight.

      Depleted uranium actually costs less than tungsten, the alloy of which is also used to make BOPS cores
    4. +1
      28 January 2024 17: 23
      Depleted uranium is waste from the production of enriched uranium, which has nowhere to go and is probably cheaper than tungsten, not to mention simple steel and lead.
    5. -1
      28 January 2024 19: 33
      Quote from voffka
      And such a projectile costs like a piece of gold, comparable in weight.

      voffka don't write nonsense.
  14. +5
    28 January 2024 08: 55
    Quote: Proctologist
    What surprises me most about this story is the lack of even attempts to launch TOW missiles.

    As the author quite rightly writes, the Bradleys were developed taking into account a possible confrontation with Soviet tanks, they pose a danger to them, and it is for such a case that anti-tank missiles are included in the arsenal. ..
    I have no idea other than that the Ukrainians did not have TOW missiles in their ammunition, or the crews were not trained to fire them.

    The Tow-2 ATGM has a minimum range of use of 65m. And Bradley fired HE shells. Pure improvisation.
    Bradley had more luck and perseverance.
  15. +6
    28 January 2024 10: 35
    It was a sad sight when our tank was defeated by Bradley...
  16. -8
    28 January 2024 11: 54
    My personal opinion is that we need to make a cheap armor-piercing projectile for our 30 mm 2A42 and others as quickly as possible, I see that it should be a monolithic 25 mm sub-caliber, feathered, albeit made of powder steel, with hardening and two Teflon belts to increase the life of the barrel, I think that the armor penetration will be at least 120-150mm, namely the feathered one with the maximum ballistic coefficient, I am with the ontology with a 12 gauge Strela bullet am
    1. +2
      28 January 2024 14: 23
      why?.. Demolishing an attachment on a tank will do just that, but penetrating the armor is better than an ATGM...
  17. -6
    28 January 2024 11: 54
    My personal opinion is that we need to make a cheap armor-piercing projectile for our 30 mm 2A42 and others as quickly as possible, I see that it should be a monolithic 25 mm sub-caliber, feathered, albeit made of powder steel, with hardening and two Teflon belts to increase the life of the barrel, I think that the armor penetration will be at least 120-150mm, precisely the feathered one with the maximum ballistic coefficient, I see this with analogy with the 12-caliber Strela bullet am
  18. +2
    28 January 2024 11: 58
    Quote: victorlitvin
    “Even the T-90, alone, should not “roam” through “valleys and hills”, by definition...”

    Only together with the Terminator.
  19. BAI
    0
    28 January 2024 12: 15
    but also because the tank was forced to retreat in this battle.

    The problem is old, since 1941. Our tanks were blind and still are. The tank crew never saw who was shooting at it. Not a single return shot
    1. +1
      28 January 2024 19: 38
      Quote: BAI
      but also because the tank was forced to retreat in this battle.

      The problem is old, since 1941. Our tanks were blind and still are. The tank crew never saw who was shooting at it. Not a single return shot

      BAI did you see the video? There were return shots from the tank.
  20. +1
    28 January 2024 12: 32
    I’m just wondering who thought of putting a tank into battle (reconnaissance) that costs millions of dollars without artillery cover, aviation or at least drones?
  21. -1
    28 January 2024 12: 56
    A fact is a fact! Bradley was ambushed by the vaunted T-90! So it’s impossible to deny it! Western weapons confidently hit all Russian tanks: Javelins, Tow ATGMs, Brimstones, and even primitive 25-mm Bushmaster guns!
    1. +3
      28 January 2024 19: 10
      From an ambush and a T-70 during the war, he killed a Panther so that it burned out, and also from an ambush. If we compare t.t.h. both T-70 tanks are Bradley.
  22. 0
    28 January 2024 13: 14
    "The crews of the Bradley acted as real suicide bombers, who only by luck escaped this fate"
    We sing glory to the madness of the brave
  23. +2
    28 January 2024 13: 27
    The author forgot that in the frontal projection (vld), there is a weakened zone, the so-called décolleté, in the area of ​​the hatch and viewing devices. According to the experience of Karabakh, 2A42 armor piercing units penetrate this place.
  24. +3
    28 January 2024 13: 49
    What a short memory.
    A similar situation was considered 5-7 years ago on Zvezda.
    A reconnaissance vehicle (equipment, stealth coating, rapid-fire cannon) against a tank.
    In general, it was announced that within 5 seconds the reconnaissance vehicle would destroy all the equipment from the tank, and it would not even be able to take aim.....
    And here are 2 Bradleys... according to the description...
  25. +3
    28 January 2024 14: 05
    Edward, thank you very much for your informative and high-quality work! good
  26. +2
    28 January 2024 14: 53
    Visual impact of media on the brain. Anything can happen in war, and worse can happen. But, as usual, they discuss what was captured more vividly.
    Everyone always knows how to do it and what to bet on.
  27. +3
    28 January 2024 14: 53
    Quote: V.
    And the appropriate conclusions will be drawn.

    So big, but you believe in fairy tales. All this has been going on for two years now and not a single culprit has even been removed from office, let alone put up against the wall. The stars of the heroes will also be hung when all this is finally over.
    1. 0
      28 January 2024 23: 17
      Quote: shark507
      Quote: V.
      And the appropriate conclusions will be drawn.

      So big, but you believe in fairy tales. All this has been going on for two years now and not a single culprit has even been removed from office, let alone put up against the wall. The stars of the heroes will also be hung when all this is finally over.

      if this continues, only traitors will be saved am
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  29. +2
    28 January 2024 15: 59
    If any other tank had been in the place of the T-90, the result would have been the same. In Transnistria, the tank came under fire from Shilka, it was cleaned as if by sandblasting, everything attached was demolished and without any BOPS.. The only question to which there is no answer yet is what he was doing there without infantry cover?
  30. +7
    28 January 2024 16: 04
    Read the comments.
    How did the T-90 end up one against two Bradleys? Just.
    Tanks are most often used, judging by the videos, as mobile weapons. Move somewhere a few kilometers, quickly shoot back and return. Apparently he has traveled more than once and has been a nightmare for the Ukrainian Armed Forces infantry. Those are tired of it. They flew the drone into the area they had identified. We traced the route and approximate time. And at night they brought in a couple of Bradleys, disguised them and just waited. The tankers, who had ridden more than once, were relaxed. “We’ll come now, fire 3-5 shells and go back.” Then bam and an ambush. The first seconds were confusing, then the optics were knocked down and that’s it, it was impossible to shoot without sights.
    I remembered the controversy about "Armata" here on Topvar even before the North Military District or in the first year of the North Military District. When critics of the "Armata" said that everything, the guidance systems, surveillance systems, etc., stuck out too much. will be easily destroyed by shell fragments, or rapid-fire guns, as on the BMP-2. Supporters of "Armata" spoke. “How can an infantry fighting vehicle be within shooting range, but it will be discovered. Yes, the tank will always be under the cover of artillery and infantry.”
    The CBO showed that the critics were right. “It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines.” And looking at the tactics of using tanks in the Northern Military District, it is clear that the Armata’s time has not yet come. Trite because of poor communication and interaction of all branches of the military.
    1. +2
      29 January 2024 23: 15
      Some kind of strange ambush. Two infantry fighting vehicles with guns, which (as cool as they are for this caliber) can penetrate a tank only by luck. Here it would be more logical to ambush your tank or infantry with NLAW or, if an infantry fighting vehicle, then in a convenient position for launching a TOW. Or better yet, all at once. No, it looks like the Bradleys themselves only found out at the last moment that they were an ambush.
  31. +3
    28 January 2024 16: 12
    Unfortunately, you can see a lot of shots of tanks and other equipment that fight completely independently. It seems like the connection is still as bad as it was two years ago and there is no progress or attempts to do anything about it. There is complete chaos and disorder at the front. The individual parts of the army do not communicate with each other. No one has any idea what others are doing or what is happening a short distance away. We need a system for exchanging information in real time, but I’m afraid that in this regard a lot of sleep has been done and it won’t be possible to manage everything quickly.
  32. +4
    28 January 2024 17: 55
    Thanks to the author for the article. However:
    There are only two of them in the BMP range: the M791, which has gradually lost all relevance, and the relatively fresh and quite lethal M919, which may have been fired at our T-90M.
    There was an interview with participants in the battle from the “other” side, where they said that it was very scary and claimed that they did not have armor-piercing shells and they fired with “regular” fire in order to destroy all the attachments of our tank.
    1. -1
      31 January 2024 14: 14
      If they had said that they used uranium shells, there would have been a howl about the contamination of the Ridna Nenka black soil with toxic uranium dust. There were definitely uranium shells there. OFSs don’t explode like that.
  33. 0
    28 January 2024 18: 26
    Quote: pettabyte
    I could do it backwards.


    This is about the question of which tank is better, T80 or T90. The T90 with its reverse gear does not have a chance to quickly leave without exposing the stern.
    1. +1
      31 January 2024 14: 15
      Where are you going to drive a T-80 backwards if you don’t have a rear view camera? Until the first building you hit with your stern.
  34. -7
    28 January 2024 19: 06
    Our tank has already been dragged away and the repairmen have repaired it. the crew is intact. Now they are probably writing explanatory notes. ...in a tank brigade you don’t have to struggle.
    1. +3
      28 January 2024 19: 16
      Quote: tank64rus
      the system becomes discredited. And with a competent approach, what is our

      The tank is standing burnt in the village. They ride Bradley around the village. There was more broken equipment around. Everything is on YouTube. There is still silence on our part about the crew
  35. +1
    28 January 2024 19: 34
    Why, when comparing the armor resistance of our tanks against a Bradley autocannon, does the fact that our tanks have a defective gearbox, unable to give normal reverse gear, be ignored, as a result of which, when retreating, our tanks are forced to turn their ass to the frag.

    Based on the records of fights I watched from my sofa, the following statistics are observed:
    The tank moves to the position - 5-10 minutes
    The tank fires 5-20 rounds of ammunition - 5 - 20 minutes (it should be noted that here, too, very often you have to spend most of the time sideways to the enemy, due to maneuvering around obstacles)
    The tank leaves the position - 5-10 minutes

    total: 10-20% of the battle time our tanks spend with their ass towards the enemy.
    Tanks spend 20-30% of the battle time sideways to the enemy

    If in doubt, I can throw out a couple of hundred links to recordings of fights, if you do not agree with these statistics, please provide your current statistics.
    1. +1
      31 January 2024 14: 16
      How are you going to fly backwards if you don’t have a rear view camera?
  36. +1
    28 January 2024 20: 27
    Dear Sergei N 58912062! Probably, there were Russians there too, in the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle, and Russians know how to fight.....
  37. +2
    28 January 2024 21: 42
    As for the substance of the topic raised, I believe that the dagger fire due to the ambush led the crew into a certain confusion, demolishing the guidance devices, depriving the crew of the ability to navigate. I think that the Banderas will use this tactical technique in the future from prepared positions. I once heard that a ZSU-23-4 (SILKA) stopped a tank in one gulp, but also destroyed the surveillance devices. So INTELLIGENCE, INTELLIGENCE AND MORE INTELLIGENCE IS OUR EVERYTHING!
    1. -2
      29 January 2024 00: 24
      Everything is correct. A small note - there have been no ideological Banderas on the front line for a long time. At most, in the second line, they are propped up so that the Russians, driven into the trenches, do not rush home. This leisurely butting will last exactly until the “elections”, and then they will crush it.
      1. +1
        29 January 2024 08: 16
        Let me call ALL Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters that way...I don’t see any difference.
        1. 0
          29 January 2024 10: 21
          But in vain. There are not many ideological people left there. The Moloch of war inexorably grinds everyone, regardless of their desires. This has happened at all times, I found myself in a trench, “shoot yourself or they’ll kill you” (c)
          And then this civil war, provoked by a bourgeois coup. Russians on both sides.
  38. +1
    28 January 2024 22: 44
    Quote: ramzay21
    But for reform, any kind, we need competent, experienced personnel, dedicated to the cause, and not to personal gain... And their formation requires years and years of painstaking work, collecting bit by bit the deserving, talented, and not with the basic “business quality of an officer” , in the recent past - in the form of a Moscow residence permit (registration).....

    All this can be solved quite quickly and easily. And there are such examples in our history.
    Stalin, after Blucher’s failures at Khasan, realized that the army needed not “deserved” people who crush everyone with their authority and do not want to learn, but young people, eager to learn, brave and decisive, and therefore decided to appoint commanders of the troops at Kholkhin Goll, where the “deserved” began screw up the unknown recent regiment commander Zhukov. Everyone knows what happened next. The Japanese sat quietly until the end of the war, and Zhukov, from the corps commander at Kholkhin Goll, became the commander of the Kyiv Special Military District and became one of those young commanders who defeated the “deserved” and previously invincible German field marshals.
    Therefore, it is enough to select competent and decisive colonels or lieutenant colonels, who have proven themselves well in command and control of troops and have mastered modern communications and UAVs and have applied non-standard successful solutions, and replace them with untrained generals and dying ones. Rostec also needs replacements, and instead of the embezzler Chemezov and his gang, other people are needed, for example, the same ideological volunteers who have shown themselves to be good organizers; those who have shown themselves to be good organizers can safely be put in charge of military-industrial complex enterprises and the rear.
    But first of all, we need another leader of the country who can think strategically, who can define goals for the country that would coincide with the goals of the people, make plans and implement them decisively, and also explain the goals to the people so that everyone understands these goals and shares them.
    The current leader, as his 24 years of rule have shown, is not capable of this, and he has no goals for Russia.

    The current one is looking after a rescuer, not looking for a warrior.
  39. +2
    29 January 2024 02: 07
    Quote: tank64rus
    Our tank has already been dragged away and the repairmen have repaired it. the crew is intact. Now they are probably writing explanatory notes.

    Are you really kidnapped? The battlefield remained with the enemy. If they dragged it away and repaired it, it was clearly not ours who did it.
  40. +1
    29 January 2024 04: 30
    and in reassurance of the topic.....in the light of rational training of armored vehicle crews.....taking into account the personal qualities of candidates for positions..
    losses of Soviet armored vehicles from June 22.061941, 09.05.1945. to 83500/XNUMX/XNUMX - XNUMXpcs.
    ............Hitler's...... - 28735pcs.
    All data is from our and foreign open sources.
    ratio 1:3.5
    This is advanced crew training in action.
  41. 0
    29 January 2024 09: 36
    Zimovsky writes in the cart:

    And another aspect of military uncertainty is the interpretation of data.

    Remember, there is no such thing as “objective control”. This is just a method of covering up the ass through a victorious report.

    Even if your spy companion discovered a crater from the Tsar Bonba on the runway of an airfield, this does not mean that in an hour an airplane hung with scalps and storm shadows will not take off from this airfield.

    Example: the case of Bradley and T-90.
    We all saw this newsreel from the Ukrainians (objective control, yeah)

    However, it could also be like this:
    - the T-90 crew had previously shot through the ammunition and destroyed the designated targets, and then called upon themselves the fire of the Bradleys, providing and covering the attack of the assault platoon. Which throw decided the outcome of the battle in our favor.

    Is such an interpretation possible?
    No, it is not just possible, it is the only possible.

    And then everything will be...

    Report completed.
  42. +2
    29 January 2024 10: 00
    What happened to our tank is a direct consequence of the “newest” tactics of using tank forces. The main use of tank troops has always been together with motorized infantry and under the cover of artillery - delivering powerful attacks and making deep breakthroughs in enemy defenses. Here we see the use of a single tank, not covered by anyone, as a mobile firing point, so we were caught in a fire ambush.
    1. +1
      29 January 2024 23: 43
      Dear bug120560! What you call the “newest tactics” of using the T-90, in the current so-called SVO, is not a “tactic”, but a banal military crime committed by personnel who have positions, military ranks and full names, under:
      1. - the impact of the PR'ed, of all irons, unsurpassed COMBAT qualities of the T-90 on the battlefield, its survivability and superiority in all indicators of Western models of similar equipment...
      2. - a possible professional misunderstanding of the “organizers” of this tank “walk” about the features of using tanks on LBS during a trench warfare, “when we don’t want to, but the enemy can’t.”...
      3.- under the influence of a perhaps not entirely competent report to the unit of thoughts about who is opposing the RF Armed Forces, in the sense of motivation, combat training, focusing on the Slavic tenacity, resourcefulness and determination, at a certain moment, of the current enemy. ..
      As a result, a military crime has been committed (the tank crew is beyond suspicion because they were following orders), which they are trying to present as an “unequal battle”... I understand that the results of the “debriefing” will not be brought to us, but I express cautious hope that the correct conclusions will be drawn from this crime...
      1. +1
        30 January 2024 10: 08
        “What you call the “newest tactics” of using the T-90, in the current so-called SVO, is not a “tactic”, but a banal military crime committed by personnel who have positions, military ranks and full names... "
        I can't agree with you. If you served in the army, then you probably remember this requirement of the Charter: “The order of the commander is the law for the subordinate...”, the heroism of our fighters lies in the fact that they are in numbers and have great strength.
        Now remember - have you ever seen footage from a military defense system where, for example, a tank company would operate together with motorized rifles or more than 2 MLRS would operate simultaneously? I don’t remember which of the Soviet military leaders of the Second World War wrote in his note to Stalin regarding the scattered use of troops: “if any person is hit on the head with a log, this person will most likely be killed, but if the log is turned into chips and these chips are thrown, there will be no practical damage.” will". I think that under Stalin, those responsible for such use of troops would have at least gone to camps, but the blame for this does not lie with those who are fighting. Although we are not in a war, but in the Northern Military District and “everything is going according to plan” - this is in the third year.
  43. +2
    29 January 2024 11: 03
    The soldier from Bradley said that he did not shoot with armor-piercing ones, but with ordinary ones, as he did not have armor-piercing ones.
    There is another video of the same soldier, but with Bradley already shot down. He says it didn’t work out the second time.
    1. -2
      31 January 2024 14: 21
      Apparently the soldier is not aware that the OFS explosion looks completely different...
  44. 0
    29 January 2024 13: 59
    So the use of a 25-mm cannon in an “anti-tank” role, when destruction of a target is required, is rather an exceptional measure...
    There is one point here. If they used fragmentation shells with remote detonation, then such an attack cannot even be called risky - with the very first shells they destroyed the entire optics of the tank without really aiming and it could no longer shoot accurately at them. We will soon see whether I am right by how our tanks will be used in the near future. And from this battle it is obvious that the principle of designing sighting devices for all armored vehicles needs to be changed, because a controlled detonation is a stream of shot flying into the tank, all unprotected glass is shattered.
  45. +2
    29 January 2024 16: 11
    Quote from: Peter1First
    That's right, but there is one more problem - after being fired at with uranium bullets, this T-90 must be bypassed a mile away, let alone repaired!

    You are so stupid that even reading your nonsense is a shame. Before commenting on anything, at least take a look at Wikipedia. If there are no other sources of knowledge.
    1. 0
      31 January 2024 14: 45
      Why insult a person? He is right to some extent. The uranium dust generated by shelling a tank is very toxic. If it enters the lungs, esophagus or wound canal, it causes poisoning of the body. Land fertilized in this way with uranium dust is also considered unsuitable for agriculture. If uranium dust gets into the water, then this is also bad with all the possible ensuing consequences.
  46. -1
    29 January 2024 17: 44
    I completely agree with the author..
    Moreover, on another forum we discussed exactly this case. And then, back on the 26th-27th, I clearly explained to the mental Ukrainians that penetrating a T90m tank with a Bradley, even at point-blank range, and with a top-end feathered projectile, was a utopia. Even on board .. through the screens of the ADZ harp and the 80mm T90 onboard armor.
    All the delusions could do was not die for the glory of Bandera, and they did it, they were very lucky.
    And by the way, they knocked out the T90’s surveillance devices and maybe even the barrel with the first hits... They were trained very competently... and they didn’t run away from the battlefield... this must also be admitted.
    1. +1
      31 January 2024 15: 30
      Even on board .. through the screens of the ADZ harp and the 80mm T90 onboard armor.

      Why shoot at the side if, due to the low reverse speed, all Soviet tanks from T-64 to T-72, leaving the line of fire, turn their thin stern towards the enemy? (T-80 exception)
  47. 0
    29 January 2024 23: 02
    Just like in the Second World War there was a radio operator-machine gunner, now we need a (drone) operator - a machine gunner in each individual tank, because the commander has no time to do this, and this will require making some compromises in the tank, to allocate a workplace for an individual person, but from him there will be more benefit than from extra armor plate. Ideally, the drone should be included with the tank. Another option is to initially include a squad of drone operators in the tank regiment.
    1. 0
      29 January 2024 23: 26
      The Germans and French have already come to your conclusions, and now they are working on just such a layout)
  48. 0
    30 January 2024 08: 49
    The arrival of even one shell head-on does not weaken the crew, and when they are hitting you incessantly, almost in bursts, it is not surprising to lose all orientation.
  49. -1
    30 January 2024 10: 05
    And again, unconfirmed tales that a 25 mm gun can penetrate 80 mm of a homogeneous tank side plate at point-blank range. Moreover, the statement that this fart is capable of penetrating the rear 45 mm armor plate has not been confirmed by anything. Well, there is no evidence and that's all. All US advertising brochures stating that uranium 25 mm shells penetrate armor plates many times greater than their own caliber are advertising brochures. In fact, it turns out that, for example, the BMP-1 turret at point-blank range cannot be penetrated by a 14.5 mm armor-piercing bullet. Watch the video of the channel "Large Caliber Trouble". And in this case, the T-90 was fired with uranium ammunition (when hit, uranium dust ignites, which is what we see in the video) from different angles, almost point-blank. And the crew left the car alive and unharmed. And here again is an article about the super penetration of small-caliber autocannons. You don't believe your eyes or what?
    1. -1
      1 February 2024 09: 25
      Fans of the fantastic properties of the 25 mm fart and US advertising brochures have thrown in some minuses :))) The puzzle still doesn’t fit in their heads. Well, 25 mm cannot penetrate 80 mm of tank armor. Can not.
  50. 0
    30 January 2024 13: 00
    Observation devices were disabled by ordinary machine guns and rifles. You don't need any Bradleys for this. And the BTR 60 is quite enough.
    But if this super-modern tank was replaced by the veteran T-34 85, whose control system is much simpler, Bradley’s chances are much less.
  51. 0
    4 February 2024 15: 02
    Where is our sub-caliber projectile for the 2A42 3UBR11 cannon?
  52. 0
    22 February 2024 20: 45
    Some kind of cruel nonsense - depleted uranium is less viscous and durable compared to tungsten. But it’s also cheaper, which is why these shells are churned out.
  53. 0
    28 March 2024 04: 55
    It’s a no-brainer that the tank needs eyes in the form of a UAV and Bradley won’t stand a chance.