Military logistics of the Russian Armed Forces needs modernization

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Military logistics of the Russian Armed Forces needs modernizationA standardized platform, a cargo container, a special gripper for quick loading and removal from the vehicle, and an armored cabin on an off-road chassis - all this can be produced by the domestic industry, but is not produced.

One of the problems that clearly emerged during the Northern Military District is the state of affairs with logistics in the RF Armed Forces, especially with the logistics of ammunition for artillery.

Western publications wrote that the transport capabilities of the RF Armed Forces were insufficient even before the Northern Military District; as an example, we can recall the article by US Army Lieutenant Colonel Alex Vershinin Feeding the Bear: A Closer Look at Russian Army Logistics and the Fait Accompli



But Vershinin is relying on an insufficient fleet of trucks, while the logistics problems of the Russian Armed Forces go far beyond the number of rolling stock and drivers. In fact, the organization of transportation in our Army is not far from the forties of the last century.

This picture can be seen in any army in the world, but in our country almost everything is built on this approach. Photo by Vesti-Yamal.

In our Army, until very recently, cargo transportation had the following characteristic features:

– constant re-grading in warehouses, both food, fuel and lubricants and RAV (this is why cumulative ones can be submitted instead of PF, etc., and this is not something out of the ordinary);

– manual loading and unloading by personnel;

– extremely low, and most often absent, mechanization of loading and unloading operations;

– use of containerized cargo without pallets;

– inability to use container transportation and non-use of containers;

– organizing the storage of goods in warehouses of varying degrees of centralization, often quite large, located tens of kilometers from the line of combat contact (LCC).

The size of the warehouses, the required number of personnel for loading and unloading operations and the movement of trucks gave enemy intelligence the location of these warehouses, and with the appearance of the M142 HIMARS MLRS in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, high-precision strikes immediately began to be carried out on artillery ammunition warehouses.

The result was the famous “shell famine” of 2022, although it was not only a matter of strikes...

The Russian approach makes supplying troops on the front lines extremely difficult. Unloading the vehicle alone either requires a mass of soldiers and more than ten minutes of time, or, with a small number of personnel, a long parking period of tens of minutes; the lack of methods for managing large reserves makes centralization inevitable, and the latter - enemy attacks on warehouses.

Disguise and dispersal of warehouse stocks solve the problem only partly. Below, a satellite photo taken by an American radar reconnaissance satellite, shows that even faint traces on the ground are detected from low-Earth orbit, and if there is a warehouse in one place or another, for example, ammunition, the traces will be visible much better, and it will not be possible to get rid of them.

Photo: “Ravil”/aftershock.news

At the moment, the problem of centralization has been partially solved - at least, warehouses have begun to be dispersed and moved further from the LBS (which, if the enemy has missiles with a range of hundreds of kilometers, still does not guarantee anything). But only partially, the army cannot yet establish reliable supplies without target warehouses, and the resulting problems on the battlefield have not gone away.

The problem of a low degree of mechanization has not been solved, although individual samples of some types of equipment (for example, trucks with crane-manipulator installations) have been developed and accepted for supplying troops, but there are very few of them; they are still based on manual loading and unloading, often in conditions of shortage personnel.

The army does not know how to work with container transportation, nor does it know how to use pallets correctly; basically everything is transported in containers - in boxes, barrels, etc.

It should also be noted that the rear staff do not have modern methods and tools for managing the movement of supplies, which makes their delivery time-consuming, and makes it impossible for the troops to receive everything they need on time in the requested quantities.

The last specific problem of the North Military District was the shortage of personnel - there are not enough soldiers of all specialties, and this also applies to drivers. On the other hand, every person who gets on the car is minus one infantryman, who are in the greatest shortage for obvious reasons.

Thus, in addition to the above problems, there is another one - with a high demand for troops for transportation, it is necessary to reduce the number of personnel involved in them.

Here I would directly pose the question: is it possible to radically change logistics? Is there a way to radically increase its effectiveness by several times and what is needed for this? Instead of trying to achieve any changes by using tools/crutches to achieve small but quick results?

The article will answer this question.

Frontline logistics deserves special attention, that is, transportation in close proximity to the line of combat contact, including the delivery of ammunition to the front line and the removal of the wounded from it.

It cannot be said that the command of the Russian troops did nothing in this direction, but the measures taken to improve the situation, even now, almost two years after Russia’s open entry into the Northern Military District, are insufficient.

It makes sense to briefly list the measures that would improve the situation, both organizational and purely technical.

Logistics management and container transportation


The benefits of introducing container shipping are described very briefly but clearly here.

In relation to the Northern Military District in Ukraine, the introduction of targeted container transportation also significantly facilitates the delivery of volunteer humanitarian aid - in some cases (this is not always advisable, but sometimes necessary), “humanitarian aid” can be included in the consolidated cargo sent to a particular military unit or unit , moreover, the picking of the cargo and its loading into the container can be done even on Sakhalin, after which it is simply transported to the place.

Difficulties in introducing container transportation into the army are:

– administrative unwillingness of the army rear to massively and widely use this type of transportation;

– lack of experience, personnel and software for the mass introduction of such transportation;

– lack of a container circulation system (they are returnable containers);

– lack of necessary loading and unloading equipment.

At first glance, the introduction of container transportation among the troops will require a huge amount of organizational work, but in fact this is not entirely true.

Since the late 2010s, all the necessary competencies have been developed and used by such a “daughter” of the Ministry of Defense as "Oboronlogistics". Here it is worth noting the author’s personal experience - in matters of international transportation, it was the Oboronlogistics employees who at one time showed the highest level of work, in comparison with other operators on the market.

“Oboronlogistics” was created at one time mainly to supply the Syrian army, and then the grouping of our troops in this country. This structure was created under the patronage of the DTO - the Department of Transport Support of the Ministry of Defense. Initially, the ATO failed to supply Syria, and the Navy had to get involved; this period is well written about in the article “The Russian Navy against the USA and the West. Example from recent operations", and transport aviation VKS, which caused enormous damage to it, which is mentioned briefly here in this article.

But later the situation was corrected, and now it is Oboronlogistics that handles almost the entire volume of transportation, except for urgent ones. Moreover, “sanctioned” types of transportation, such as ferry lines with the Kaliningrad region, for example, are assigned to this structure.

This structure has sufficient personnel potential for the Ministry of Defense to reorganize rear logistics in the Armed Forces, and the fact that almost two years after the start of the SVO this has not yet been done has no rational explanation. At all.

Which, however, is more the norm for the Ministry of Defense than the exception.

Solving the issue from the organizational side will allow you to place an order for all the necessary equipment, and here it makes sense to take a look at what to transport containers with.

A little about container ships and loading and unloading operations


Traditionally, the Russian Army has gravitated and gravitates towards rail transportation, but this type of transportation, capable of ensuring the rapid transportation of large masses of troops or volumes of cargo on the ground, is bad in all other respects - the requirements of modern warfare require such flexible logistics capabilities that they simply cannot be provided by railways. roads, in addition, it is impossible to conduct military operations with such a strict connection to the railways.

Interestingly, in the domestic economy, rail transportation has long been firmly supplanted by road transportation.

The entire logistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is built on cars - and we are now experiencing how effective it turned out to be.

NATO and the United States also base their logistics on road transport, that is, their experience speaks of the same thing.

The need to transfer a significant part of transportation to motor transport makes the 20-foot sea container the main type of container in the military. A container of this size can fit on a single vehicle, whereas a 40-foot container requires a tractor-trailer vehicle.

The latter excludes the use of self-loading devices and requires a container or truck crane, or even a special machine – a reach stacker – to remove the container.

Again, in some cases, large containers and reachstackers will be needed, but this will only be in the deep rear, as they approach combat zones, the containers will have to “shrink.”

In some cases, 5-foot containers will also find their use. But the basis will be a 20-foot container in a closed top version (there are open top containers - open top, and platforms without walls - flat rack).

At the same time, we should not forget that the container form factor can contain both bulk containers and equipment, that is, this is a universal standard.



Example of standardized loads compatible with a 20ft container

What is most important is that when switching to such a form factor, it becomes possible to create a universal transport vehicle capable of taking on a significant part of the logistics tasks.

An example of such technology is the American Palletized Load system - PLS, a standard of the American army since 1993.

A special self-loader vehicle (in the civilian sector, such equipment is called a “multilift” or “hook loader”) has a set of grippers and a transport platform that allows you to load both 20-foot containers and any cargo laid and secured on standard pallets (pallet – pallet, hence the name of the system), see illustrations.




And the advantage of such a machine is immediately obvious - it simply dumps the container at the unloading point, picks up the empty one and leaves - no crowd of soldiers carrying boxes in their arms near a standing truck. There is no such crowd of soldiers even later, when the container itself is being unloaded.

Depending on the load-bearing capacity of the soil at the unloading site, either an ordinary forklift or a special version of an all-terrain forklift is used.

Naturally, all the cargo in the container is packaged on pallets that can be lifted by a forklift.

Recently, so-called telescopic loaders have become popular - machines whose “forks” are mounted on a telescopic boom. Their advantage is that they can load pallets to a great height, which allows, among other things, to equip an unloading point in deep pits or underground structures and pull the pallets to ground level without a crane. In most cases, this machine also replaces a conventional loader.

An American telescopic loader, similar ones can be seen in the background, with the boom raised. NATO has both armored options and vehicles that can drive into a container and be transported in it.

A pallet with cargo can be placed on a regular truck equipped with a crane and only then sent closer to the front line.

But purely container traffic should also be in demand and applicable in supplying troops on the LBS. Let's give an example of such a supply chain.

At brigade warehouses, cargo for the unit is formed, let’s say, into a dumpable container with a 6 cubic meter body. At the “conditionally safe point” closest to the LBS (there are no others), at a distance of 1–2,5 km from the positions, by the set time, the container is dropped within 2 minutes, camouflaged with an integrated camouflage kit for 5 minutes. It turns out to be a temporary warehouse.

The car is sent for the next loading or picking up another already processed container body (loading of which takes 2 minutes by a crew of two people).

The container is “processed”: unloaded by the receiving unit at a suitable pace with optimal use of resources at a comfortable time and at a convenient time, and not amid shouts of “Hey, come on! Let's! Let's! Otherwise they’ll throw it on you now! And here is a car and ten people!”

The machine can arrive to load the processed container body at any convenient time (hour, day, week). At the same time, the loading points can be maneuvered very widely, the requirements for the discharge site are minimal.

There are only growing demands to prevent misgrading or shipment of low-quality cargo (for example, spoiled products).

One-way delivery, wooden pallets and the importance of cranes


In the commercial sector, an onboard truck with a crane-manipulator is one of the most popular types of vehicles. Such vehicles have been developed and accepted for supply for the RF Armed Forces, but are purchased from the RF Armed Forces in insufficient quantities.

KMV-10K vehicle with a hydraulic crane-manipulator installation. It was adopted for supply many years ago, but is available in trace quantities to the troops. Photo: Vitaly Kuzmin

There are various types of crane-manipulator units (CMU), for example, cable-type ones have long booms, even small buildings can be built with them, and hydraulic ones do not have a cable system and a winch; a hook or other load-handling mechanism is rigidly fixed at the end of the boom, the reach of the booms of such cranes -manipulators are much smaller than cable ones, but the load capacity is significantly higher.

And this is one of the main workhorses in the North and one of the most popular domestically produced trucks - the “civilian” KAMAZ-43118 with a DongYang cable-operated CMU. In war, a cable crane could unload a pallet 10–15 meters from the track, into bushes or planted under tree crowns. Photo: Korib LLC

Hydraulic manipulators can be placed either behind the truck cab or on its rear overhang. The latter method does not worsen cross-country ability (the CMU behind the cabin loads the front axle, increasing the pressure on the ground), but it prevents the transportation of personnel on the vehicle, since the vehicle loses the tailgate on the side platform.

Hydraulic crane manipulators can be used in conjunction with a sliding awning.
In general, this is a well-known technique in the RF Armed Forces, but, we repeat, it is not enough.

What do such machines provide in terms of logistics?

If the use of standard wooden pallets is established, then you can throw the cargo packed on them closer to the front line, where enemy reconnaissance will no longer allow holding the transport for a long time. Cargo on a pallet is already a fairly small scale for a company or platoon; everything that the platoon or company needs right now can be packed there, and after packaging, the pallet can be wrapped in a mask net at the loading point, so that while it is not unloaded , it would not be noticeable when observed from drone.

A machine with a crane can deliver 6-8 pallets with a load on each, dump them at specified points and leave without stopping in the danger zone. This delivery method is beneficial, for example, for artillery.

There is no need to invent anything new for this, but the Ministry of Defense has not even mastered the supply of mask networks... however, our logistics officers also do not know how to work with pallets.

And here again it is worth turning your attention to the pernicious West. If a standard pallet is used “under the forks”, then the cargo itself - shells, missiles of various types, etc., have very different types of packaging, containers, etc., but all of them, without exception, are made so as to be compatible with standard pallets, and therefore with forklifts.

American soldiers load shells. Standardized stacks, two per standard pallet, can be lifted with a forklift, can be lifted by eye-loops with a hook, and yes, an all-terrain forklift is available. This is 1983, but for us this is an unattainable level even 40 years later. Photo: US National Archives

The result is simple - to load a large three-axle truck with artillery shells, Westerners need at least one person and 20 minutes of time, to transfer the pallet from the vehicle to the ground using a CMU - one person and 5 minutes.

Anyone who has encountered such work in our Army can compare...

And this is Ukraine, loading the Javelin ATGM into the KrAZ Ukrainian Armed Forces. We pay attention to how the tubes with rockets are packed, how the packaging dimensions are combined with a standard wooden pallet. This is a system, and it is there in everything. Photo: CNN

The last part of the logistics chain “from the rear to the front line” is the delivery of goods directly to the line of combat contact, to the infantry.

In conditions of massive enemy use of FPV strikesdrones, this is extremely difficult to do on vehicles.

The solution to the problem is the so-called “leading edge conveyor”, and this was described in detail in the article “The Army needs frontline transporters—and fast.”

It is at this stage that an unmanned vehicle is urgently needed - to transport a small shipment from an abandoned container or pallet to military positions.

Here we must give the Ministry of Defense its due - for solving such (and not only such) problems Chinese small-sized transporters were purchased. Another thing is that this, it seems, is not enough, and the machine, with all its advantages, is not optimal, something else is needed.

Nevertheless, this is exactly the case when there is no fish and no fish, and we must continue these purchases, saturating the Army with small-sized transport. This in no way eliminates the need to develop normal transporters.

True, without bringing the entire army logistics system into an efficient state, the effect of these transporters will be minimal; a systematic approach is needed.

Without drivers


The last thing to note in relation to logistics is the need to introduce unmanned vehicles as quickly as possible. And we’re not just talking about TPK.
Here it must be said that the domestic industry has serious developments on this topic.

Thus, KAMAZ has been working on an autonomous truck since at least the beginning of the 2010s. Here is an article from Komsomolskaya Pravda dated October 27, 2015 - "KAMAZ" drone drove five thousand kilometers without a driver".

And here’s also about an unmanned KAMAZ, already from 2022:

Tests of an unmanned KamAZ truck have started in Russia, TASS writes. They are carried out by the Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works (MMK) at its industrial sites: KamAZ-43118 travels along the route for transporting refractories from warehouses to the construction site. For orientation, the 10-ton truck uses sensors, cameras, radars and navigation system data, but for now the automation is controlled by a human operator who is constantly in the cabin.

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This program is actually very old, KamAZ trucks without drivers have been distinguishing road signs for a long time, they drove along Arctic winter roads, they were tested in Kazan Innopolis, on public roads, and now in the industrial jungle (those who have seen it will understand) MMK. That is, the technology is relatively mature.
Not long ago, URALAZ showed a similar truck.

Prototype or layout of an unmanned Ural

It is still unclear how it is doing with the tests, unlike KamAZ, whose experiments have been in plain sight for many years, the Ural has not been heard of in this field before, but, on the other hand, there has long been nothing exclusive in an unmanned vehicle, in that The US Marine Corps has driverless combat vehicles already in service.

US Marine Corps anti-ship missile launcher on an unmanned chassis during an exercise

Thus, even if not quickly, it is time to start releasing personnel in the field of military transport now; the domestic industry has experience for this.

And not only for this.

Technical background


As mentioned above, domestic industry can quickly create everything necessary; moreover, some equipment is already being supplied to the troops.

For example, the KMV-10V crane-manipulator was accepted for supply back in 2016.

Serious automakers have ready-made lines of vehicles with crane manipulators applicable in the military sphere, and hundreds of small companies specialize in installing ready-made crane installations on automobile chassis; examples can be found in the article "New horizons for military cranes".

The installations themselves are produced in the Russian Federation, and if there is a shortage of them, cable CMUs can be purchased in China. So far, hydraulic European installations from Fassi, Ferrari, etc., as well as South Korean cable installations Kanglim, Dongyang, Soosan and Japanese Tadano are available. In general, there are no technical problems with the supply of such equipment.

The production of wooden pallets and special packaging and crates for military equipment compatible with pallets is also not a problem.

More complex self-loaders also exist, albeit in small quantities. For example, we can name the ML-10 self-loader vehicle on an eight-wheel KamAZ 6350 chassis.

Here, a flaw is striking compared to the West - the machine unloads its own on-board platform as a unit of reusable packaging, and not a standard pallet for any cargo, like PLS, and not a container, which are not used by the troops.

But this is a case where it won’t take long to remake it - technically the machines are similar, the superstructures are similar, and the next generation of self-loaders may well be containerized.


We have also developed armored cabins, like in NATO, although again in insufficient quantities, which has also entailed a lot of unnecessary losses, but it can be done.

There are also developments in robotic TPKs, such as Robot-transporter “Marker”, and the number of small companies capable of making a transporter with a driver is in the dozens.

To work in “large” warehouses with 40-foot containers, there are semi-trailers and domestic tractors, there are truck-mounted and stationary cranes, there are not only reach stackers, but they can be imported.

While forklifts for outdoor loading operations are manufactured domestically, small warehouse forklifts, rough terrain forklifts or telehandlers can be imported from China.

Logistics software can even be used commercially, is also uncomplicated and can be custom developed very quickly.

In general, we are solving the issue of technical equipment, and very quickly, it’s just a matter of using the available capabilities properly. In what our Ministry of Defense, alas, is traditionally weak.

However, there is a “fast” option here too.

We need a “transport” PMC


In developed countries (and from the point of view of the ability to organize military actions, Russia, alas, is not one of them) there is such an instrument as private military companies, PMCs. Domestic leaders understand this instrument in a very perverted way, as a kind of quasi-army. In reality, the purpose of such structures is completely different.

Here it makes sense to cite as an example one of the author’s articles on the topic, "Non-state contracting for war." in the magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland". Quote from there:

“In Russian society today, PMCs are understood as a kind of small army, not under state control, capable of conducting, if necessary, combined arms combat...

At the same time, most PMCs in the world have a completely different purpose. The goal of their employers is usually not to get a private “backup” of the state’s armed forces, but to, with the help of a non-state contractor, close the “weak points” of their military machine, without resorting to long and complex bureaucratic approvals and the formation of various highly specialized units, which are then not will be in demand. Actually, this was the typical role of “private traders”.

In fact, we are talking about a simple transaction: money in exchange for providing the missing opportunities and time. In other words: the state pays to quickly get what it does not have right now, and which cannot be created by legal means within state structures.

For example, the armed forces lack motorized troops. You can begin to form motor battalions and motor transport delivery regiments, recruit or call up soldiers, create a basing infrastructure for them, purchase trucks and fuels and lubricants. Or you can hire a private “office” that will handle logistics. And it doesn’t matter how and at what cost she will do this work.”

Let's look at the situation again. There is the Ministry of Defense, which is mentally stuck in 1940 in terms of logistics.

And there is a “daughter” of the Ministry of Defense “Oboronlogistics”, where everything is more or less at the modern level, where there are full-fledged approaches to work, where they know how to work with containers, where there is software, personnel, etc.

What prevents us from “merging” the availability of such personnel and approaches to work with the capabilities of both our and Chinese industry to supply the necessary equipment and organizing a logistics structure that would work out all the necessary working algorithms, staffing levels, standards for the provision of equipment and supplies, containers, pallets etc.?

What prevents you from simply scaling them to the entire army later, when all these things have been worked out?

Lack of will and understanding of how to act.

But if such problems arise, solving problems with logistics in the RF Armed Forces will be quite possible, moreover, according to some external signs, at least the General Staff has begun to recognize the problem.

PMCs as a tool are the most preferable here, because they allow you to attract personnel from the “citizen” and avoid the monstrous bureaucracy that accompanies any government undertaking.

If there was a law allowing PMCs to operate, such a structure could even be created with private money, but such a thing in our country is now impossible to even dream of.

We won’t, but everything else is quite real.

A system that will be built on a combination of container transportation in the rear, delivery of cargo on pallets to the near rear or to ammunition supply points for equipment, and on small-sized vehicles directly to the LBS, can be created in our troops as early as this year - if it is created.

We can only hope that at least in the third year of the SVO, some measures will begin to be taken to correct the situation.

It's time to return from the forties of the 20th century back to the 21st century.
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  1. +3
    24 January 2024 05: 01
    What brigades are in the text? Capitalist competition and brigade support. Or those who leave for the division?
    1. +9
      24 January 2024 05: 39
      The article is interesting, it is spoiled only by the “business message” of the Author for a “piece of the pie” in the budget of the Ministry of Defense.
      In the summer I saw a convoy of KamAZ trucks with military license plates that were hastily hauling khaki-painted 20-foot containers to the “west.” Some of the trucks had bullet holes. Then they were surprised by their “Alpha” markings. The convoy included technical equipment and a tractor with barrels of fuel and lubricants. Let me draw your attention to this: it was the Yekaterinburg-Perm road!
      Good day to all.
      1. -8
        24 January 2024 06: 44
        There is a suspicion that getting into a practically sealed container and breaking through it will cause a general detonation all ammunition, and not the explosion of one or two and the scattering of the rest - as on conventional vehicles.
        And yes, it all comes down to money again...
  2. +4
    24 January 2024 05: 09
    The entire logistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is built on cars - and we are now experiencing how effective it turned out to be.

    This logistics can be dealt with very effectively by destroying ALL CARGO VEHICLES WITH THE HELP OF IMPACT UAVS. Even during the Second World War, fascist fighter pilots hunted for trucks of all stripes...
    1. +1
      24 January 2024 10: 40
      Vocabulary on the Internet is not your business. The logistics vehicles of the Ukrainian Armed Forces drive around the rear areas and it is not easy to get them there. The easiest way is a lancet. Yes, as long as it costs more than a pickup truck or a loaf of bread, it is not an option.
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  4. +4
    24 January 2024 05: 20
    On the other hand, every person who gets on the car is minus one infantryman, who are in the greatest shortage for obvious reasons.

    Yes, in my city, every minute there are thousands of “infantrymen” at intersections. I can’t even logically imagine what they do, what they transport, and how this way of existence is justified by this whole fraternity of car owners - potential “foot soldiers”...
    1. +5
      24 January 2024 07: 39
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I can’t even logically imagine what he does, what he transports and how he justifies such an image.

      If it’s a big city, then everything is simple and boring - 0.5 kg of bread per person = 500 tons per 1 million population in day=500 flights of bread trucks (light but bulky cargo).
      Which in turn requires the delivery of fuel and lubricants for these vehicle trips.
      And this is one (!!!) product position
  5. +4
    24 January 2024 05: 32
    We need a “transport” PMC
    Only now, there is money, the PMC is working, but there is no money... And so, I agree. The rear of the RF Armed Forces requires urgent modernization, as does all military equipment, at least in terms of fast, and most importantly mechanized reloading and replenishment of armored vehicles.
    1. +1
      24 January 2024 10: 36
      Change brains, they slow down.
      Is the subconscious of the rank and file ready to change to container s? Are not even generals, but lieutenants ready? The army is part of the people. How did the shippers and other innovations, the movers and girls in 5k and magnets accept them? So the whole army will open its arms to new packaging
    2. +2
      24 January 2024 12: 04
      Quote: svp67
      agree. The rear of the RF Armed Forces requires urgent modernization, as does all military equipment, at least in terms of fast, and most importantly mechanized reloading and replenishment of armored vehicles.
      Sometimes the impression is that the SVO is needed to shake up the MOSH bosses who are too carried away by the decorative side of their activities: parades, parks…. forgetting about communication, control, ... then just follow the list. Lessons the wars of the three eights it was only enough for the Crimean operation, I want to believe that this time the lessons will be learned in order to be ready for a big fuss
    3. +3
      24 January 2024 13: 04
      Quote: svp67
      And yes, I agree. The rear of the Russian Armed Forces requires urgent modernization,

      hi
      Our entire “system” requires urgent modernization. Everywhere you spit, there is chaos, window dressing and lies!
  6. +9
    24 January 2024 06: 04
    Not a bad article, and the author raises an important topic. The only thing I didn’t like was the look at China, we’ll buy everything like that there, I understand that the author means the speed of acquisition, but I would like domestic options. And logistics is very important, and not only in the army, I was in the warehouse of a German company, I was pleasantly surprised by the cleanliness, speed of picking, and convenience for the staff, and most importantly, the optimization of the processes themselves, a minimum of paper, a minimum of downtime, and most importantly, I did not see that the staff was running around in a panic with their tongues sticking out, all in a shambles and slowly, but quickly.
    1. +2
      24 January 2024 10: 39
      There is an indicator “density of roads per sq km”. There is a train. There is a Euronlrma road network of 30x30 km. What do we have? We have been accomplishing this feat for 25 years and are still not close to 50x50
  7. -14
    24 January 2024 06: 11
    I thought it was another “Mitrofanovism”. But this is even worse. The article has a bold "-".
    1. +6
      24 January 2024 09: 39
      It’s just that someone (or rather you) has a biased attitude towards the author of the campaign, which is why there is such a negative assessment of the article laughing hi
      PS The article is extremely interesting not only for its text, but also for its links to other articles by the same American officer.
      Thanks to the author for the work done!
      1. -8
        24 January 2024 09: 49
        Thanks to the author for the work done!

        Which one? The American who wrote the article or Timokhin, who replicates it.
        ps The fact that you like the article is your business. But I don’t like such “all-polymers” and this is MY business.
        1. +1
          24 January 2024 10: 11
          Of course, thanks to Timokhin!)
          MY business

          Of course it’s up to you...no one disputed this)
      2. +3
        25 January 2024 16: 08
        It’s just that someone (or rather you) has a biased attitude towards the author of the campaign, which is why there is such a negative assessment of the article


        Not in this case. People with a low level of intelligence are not able to understand that the real world is one thing, and their ideas about it are another. They just don't understand that this difference exists.
        And when such an individual, who sincerely believes that everything is fine, encounters such material, it causes in her the same reaction as a real attempt to ruin everything and do something bad.
        Because, once again, the individual does not understand the difference.

        We have gone too far from natural selection, when such a contingent was destroyed by the environment, and we have not come up with a mechanism to compensate for the lack of natural selection. Hence such commentators.
  8. +5
    24 January 2024 06: 15
    A very useful article! A weapon without ammunition and fuel is like a warrior without food - it is of no use.

    It’s just that the Ministry of Defense couldn’t even manage the supply of masksets... however, our logistics officers don’t really know how to work with pallets either.
    And we demand some kind of drones from the “amazing” ones...

    The introduction of pallets can dramatically reduce unloading time and the deployment of forces without any means of mechanization!!! It is enough to fold back the tailgate and tie the pallet with a cable, or at least to a stump and move the truck forward at low speed. You can simply pull off the rations or cartridges, and if necessary, care is ensured either by walkways or, at worst, by joists along which the pallet will slide.
    The method does not require any costs at all, except perhaps for the standard bridges, which costs a penny...
    1. 0
      24 January 2024 10: 42
      The peasants do just that. Sure. When there are no generals nearby. More videos to come. But it is not customary for them to praise the enemy, us.
  9. +15
    24 January 2024 06: 44
    Being carried away by the history of conflicts in which our country (Russia) is involved, you come to the conclusion that in the field of communications, command and control and logistics are always the scourge of our army. If enlightenment does happen, it doesn’t last long, and then it’s back to normal. The military doesn’t learn anything and doesn’t want to learn anything, especially in peacetime, but military awareness comes through force, blood and pain, and as soon as the conflict ends (this will also apply to the Northern Military District) everything will return to normal, not immediately of course. All these UPCs, counter-battery radars, drones will be put into storage, they will be produced in scanty quantities, for exhibitions and window dressing, and subsequent new weapons will only be in the form of a mock-up or a few pieces in the form of ready-made samples.
  10. Eug
    +7
    24 January 2024 06: 58
    The basis of transport logistics of NATO countries is the standard NATO nomenclature, according to which means and methods of transportation are designed, including the volume and dimensions of cargo compartments.
    1. +4
      24 January 2024 16: 11
      Agree. I would also add the introduction of digitalization and computerization in the troops, and sometimes for obtaining a chief’s signature on an application, obtaining an invoice from the service, getting a stamp from the NSh on it, obtaining a voucher for a car, an agreement to meet with the warehouse manager, and finally knocking out a l/s from the duty unit Loading could take a couple of days of a business trip... It’s not like throwing a container with a manipulator! fool
  11. +3
    24 January 2024 07: 45
    It’s enough to remember how Russian Post works, how many years they’ve been trying to set it up, what form goods arrive in, how long they travel around the country, and it becomes clear that no one wants to do this!
    1. +3
      24 January 2024 08: 59
      Quote: Vadim S
      Suffice it to remember how Russian Post works,

      SDEK works fine.
    2. +3
      24 January 2024 11: 09
      Russian Post together with EMS is a terrible tandem!
      A package of documents was sent from Vladivostok to Petropavlovsk via EMS, like quickly and courier.
      So EMS-Russian Post managed to send a letter around the country for 24 days! It just took 24 days for the letter to be delivered by courier service!
      From memory the tracker looks like this in the end
      Vladivostok - Moscow
      Moscow-Samara
      Samara-Irkutsk... and here in Irkutsk the letter lay for almost two weeks. Then it was as if the Russian post office had stopped and the letter moved on.
      Irkutsk - Ekateriburg
      Ekaterinburg - Astana
      Astana-Petropalovsk.
  12. +4
    24 January 2024 09: 05
    We also need warehouse software and a network connecting all logistics links. At least 1 person to order the software from. Start training system administrators and security specialists.
    1. +3
      24 January 2024 10: 21
      Well, you wouldn’t cut like that from the shoulder!!!
      Under no circumstances should 1s-cov be allowed here!!!!
      They'll screw things up there that they'll then add to and fix. They just managed to enter an empty market at one time and eventually take the lion’s share.
      1. -1
        25 January 2024 15: 34
        Quote: Evgesha
        Under no circumstances should 1s-cov be allowed here!!!!
        They'll screw things up there that they'll then add to and fix.

        That's for sure, and they also have training. You call an instructor who teaches and explains everything, but he costs an hour like a carriage of vodka
      2. DO
        +1
        6 February 2024 02: 58
        Quote: Evgesha
        Well, you wouldn’t cut like that from the shoulder!!!
        Under no circumstances should 1s-cov be allowed here!!!!
        They'll screw things up there that they'll then add to and fix.

        It would be nice to clarify what you mean - about the choice of 1C-cov services, before open sources? Yes, here, of course, before making a decision, it would be a good idea to find and competently try on all available options for the task, taking into account the strengths, experience, achievements and reputation of the relevant Russian development teams.
        Well, the fact that there is an urgent need to automate military logistics based on a secure and redundant computer network is beyond doubt. Just look at the efficiency of the accounting system in shaggy notebooks and important pieces of paper with stamps (and the number of human errors in this system), and look at how similar but automated systems work in civilian life, which include not only a network, servers, manual input terminals, but also barcode and quadcode readers.
  13. +10
    24 January 2024 09: 12
    Needless to say, saving human physical labor by using mechanization means is not in the traditions of our army. The other day I came across a video of military school cadets, future officers, manually, just like 40 and 70 years ago, clearing the parade ground of snow with wooden shovels. And this is not a five-minute job. What, extra time appeared in the educational process. Is there really no MTZ with a shovel in Moscow, even if only under an agreement? And loading and unloading operations are the same as in the century before last. I think it's not about technology. Is it a matter of the mentality of a particular leader who distributes finances in subordinate institutions and units? Just think, the company, instead of physical training or some other subject, will “walk around the territory” for five hours with shovels?! And so 10 times during the winter... Plus loading and unloading is part of the economic life. So the quality of training of specialists has deteriorated.
  14. +2
    24 January 2024 09: 12
    Needless to say, saving human physical labor by using mechanization means is not in the traditions of our army. The other day I came across a video of military school cadets, future officers, manually, just like 40 and 70 years ago, clearing the parade ground of snow with wooden shovels. And this is not a five-minute job. What, extra time appeared in the educational process. Is there really no MTZ with a shovel in Moscow, even if only under an agreement? And loading and unloading operations are the same as in the century before last. I think it's not about technology. Is it a matter of the mentality of a particular leader who distributes finances in subordinate institutions and units? Just think, the company, instead of physical training or some other subject, will “walk around the territory” for five hours with shovels?! And so 10 times during the winter... Plus loading and unloading is part of the economic life. So the quality of training of specialists has deteriorated.
    1. +9
      24 January 2024 09: 49
      I'll tell you more. In our unit we have a tractor with a blade and a brush to clean the territory of the military equipment park. For some companies, manual snow blowers were purchased. Do you think this is all being used? Of course not! After all, you can always send 10 - 20 soldiers with shovels. In the combat training log, a note is made about the training, and the leader of the training at this time sits in the unit and solves his own issues that are in no way related to the training. In most cases, fills out numerous logs and does other paperwork.
      1. +4
        24 January 2024 10: 56
        Paper will endure anything, but a correctly drawn up document can change reality and abolish the laws of physics :)
      2. +3
        24 January 2024 11: 32
        As the deputy told us. in terms of armament - “The tractor needs diesel fuel, but the soldiers don’t need it!”
    2. +5
      24 January 2024 12: 07
      Quote: Hagen
      The other day I came across a video of military school cadets, future officers, manually, just like 40 and 70 years ago, clearing the parade ground of snow with wooden shovels. And this is not a five-minute job. What, extra time appeared in the educational process.

      So this is a long tradition. All this cleaning and painting is not for the result, it is for the process itself. A soldier/cadet should have a minimum of free time (just to get himself in order) and a maximum of fatigue. Because it is believed that the more screwed up a serviceman is, the less time and energy he has for things that later end up in the affairs of the military prosecutor’s office. smile
      1. +2
        24 January 2024 14: 50
        Well, organizing soldiers for something useful requires a lot of thinking. Well, there, learning to shoot accurately, navigate using maps, carry the wounded - that’s not like painting the grass.
        1. +1
          25 January 2024 10: 26
          There is another reason. What is the first thing any top-down inspection will look at? For training and coordination of l/s? Yeah, schazzz.... In the appearance of the PPD - the paths are cleared, the parade ground is washed to a shine, everything in the boxes and barracks is painted and polished, the beds are made, the edging is broken, the take-off is shining. smile
          But in order to evaluate combat training, you need to understand this.
          1. +1
            25 January 2024 12: 27
            So because this test consists only of such yesterday's lovers of fucking up soldiers. It is difficult, of course, to say whether it comes from above or from below, or even some kind of deep mental mechanism. Sometimes you get the feeling that whoever becomes the boss, the Masons come at night and inject something into your head
            1. +3
              25 January 2024 15: 29
              Quote from alexoff
              So because this test consists only of such yesterday's lovers of fucking up soldiers.

              Not only. Also because what I have listed is the easiest to check - for this you do not need to be an expert in the field of what this particular part does. Anyone can check the painting, cleaning and cleanliness - and do it quite quickly and easily.
              But to assess the level of combat training and coherence of a unit - this requires experience and maintaining the level of knowledge in this particular area. Plus, the verification process will not be quick and, most likely, you will have to go “to the field.”
              1. +1
                25 January 2024 19: 01
                As I wrote above, you have to think a lot, and when you think, your head hurts. It is usually believed that career growth is when you work less with your hands and more with your head. But in our country, career growth often means that you work less, and you don’t use your head at all; you’ve finally escaped, you can relax and have fun. You come to your subordinates and begin to assert yourself - why in a hat, why without a hat?!
                1. 0
                  25 January 2024 19: 10
                  Quote from alexoff
                  It is usually believed that career growth is when you work less with your hands and more with your head.

                  According to the Peter Principle, career growth is a movement towards a ceiling of incompetence. Upon reaching which, growth stops, since the incompetent boss is not promoted further.
                  At the same time, the functioning of the system is supported by employees who have not yet reached their ceiling.
                  1. +2
                    25 January 2024 19: 15
                    This is not about us at all, with us - you do it well, so do it! And Vasya will lead you; he and his boss go to the gym together and have taken out a mortgage on an apartment in the building next door to him. And he doesn’t argue and agrees with everything, I told him, he dropped everything and rushed to do it. This is me, if anything, about real people from my previous place of work.
  15. +2
    24 January 2024 09: 39
    yeah, confusion and vacillation...
    we still haven’t decided whether we have “brigades” or “divisions”
    When we decide, then we can talk about organizing their rear...
    and containers, 20 (40) feet or Soviet - 2, 3, 5,10 tons - it doesn’t matter
    Another thing is important - in warehouses of army and district subordination, mechanization is used to a limited extent, there are problems with the size of warehouse premises - height, width of aisles/passages, etc.
    and therefore we need to start from there and move “from top to bottom”
  16. +2
    24 January 2024 09: 47
    This has not yet applied to air travel. With standard pallets B747 or Il96-400T they can greatly simplify logistics for the military in our big country
  17. +2
    24 January 2024 10: 06
    The restructuring of military logistics in the mode of “shock therapy” in wartime is fraught with chaos of the system. Such processes must begin with the training of officers in logistics schools and be implemented first in individual fragments of the system according to the “from small to large” principle. For quick results in a specific operation, the idea of ​​a private military logistics company is more preferable, but it should first be implemented and worked out in a separate structure, for example in the Russian Guard or in one of the fleets (large belligerent and non-combatant structures)
  18. +4
    24 January 2024 10: 34
    Just as there was a problem with supply starting in the 40s, that’s how it remains
    In a German tank division there were approximately 10 vehicles per tank. (200-210 tanks and 2147 vehicles)
    In the USSR tank division, there were 375 vehicles for 1360 tanks. (per tank - 3,63 vehicles)
    And if we start looking deeper, we won’t be able to recruit 1360 combat-ready vehicles!! No spare parts or personnel!!!! No technicians!!!! No tools or equipment for repairs!!!
    The Germans began to use standard containers for supplying fuel - barrels and canisters. This made it possible to transport fuel by flatbed trucks. The need for tanks has decreased

    Supply problems in our army have not gone away.
    Mechanization and automation of supply require urgent development!!!
    1. +2
      24 January 2024 15: 04
      So from the management's point of view there is no problem. Like, for the managers of a considerable number of enterprises, the road is cleared of snow, but those who walk to the checkpoint through snowdrifts - the bosses don’t know, they’re in cars
  19. 0
    24 January 2024 10: 53
    Sorry, author, but your article only says that there are problems with logistics in the Russian army.
    Containers in the army are utter nonsense. Firstly, there is the extra weight of the container itself, and secondly, there is special transport for their transportation, and thirdly, the cost of the container itself. But with “standard” pallets the idea is sound, all that remains is to decide what kind of “standard” pallet it is. Railroad and container transportation use 1,12*1,15m pallets. In road transport, pallets of 1,2 * 0,8 m are used. And you need to go from below. Why the hell, for example, drag a 20-foot container into a company? But 2 pallets, one with b/c and one with dry rations are fine. In general, the ENTIRE supply system needs to be worked out from bottom to top, from the department to the manufacturer, taking into account the product range. And not to patch up holes at individual points of the logistics scheme.
    1. +3
      24 January 2024 12: 14
      Quote: KSVK
      Containers in the army are utter nonsense. Firstly, there is the extra weight of the container itself, and secondly, there is special transport for their transportation, and thirdly, the cost of the container itself.

      “Fourthly,” you forgot: what kind of reusable packaging is there in the army? How long will a container live, once in a unit, before it dissolves into nothing for household needs, temporary shelters, etc.?
      Who remembers that shell boxes were also recyclable containers - and not a source of wood in the units? wink
      Quote: KSVK
      Why the hell, for example, drag a 20-foot container into a company?

      And no one is dragging him. The article says that the container at the levels below the brigade is a temporary warehouse from which pallets are transported further to the units.
      Quote: KSVK
      In general, the ENTIRE supply system needs to be worked out from bottom to top, from the department to the manufacturer, taking into account the product range.

      And we will have to start with the standardization of packaging and delivery vehicles.
      1. ada
        0
        25 January 2024 04: 51
        Quote: Alexey RA
        ... And we will have to start with the standardization of packaging and delivery vehicles.

        Container: box with 20 cells / 20 x 0,5 l (40 - 45 g).
        Delivery: by the store to the address of your stay (leave at the door). Dragging - on your own.
        P\o: tyrnet processing of trading network operations and bank non-cash payments (to avoid staggering dangerously close to hot spots).
        I don’t have to have a snack, but Comrade. Timokhin - definitely.
        1. 0
          25 January 2024 10: 28
          Quote: ada
          Container: box with 20 cells / 20 x 0,5 l (40 - 45 g).
          Delivery: by the store to the address of your stay (leave at the door). Dragging - on your own.

          By the way, yes. For some reason, liquid for wiping optical axes in the army overcomes all obstacles. smile
        2. +3
          25 January 2024 15: 51
          It is thanks to a contingent like you that the SVO made the word “unteachable” popular.
          That is, those who are incapable of learning, more broadly, are incapable of assimilating information, analyzing their own experience, etc.
          Biologically incapable.
          1. ada
            +1
            25 January 2024 20: 50
            hi
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Thanks to a contingent like you, the Northern Military District...

            No, no, the “chapel” is not me. As for the rest, you know better from the outside.
            Oh, are you really the Timokhin who is Timokhin? Well, then don’t be offended, pull yourself together and rework the material, give it a clear new (proposed) structure and schemes of the described type of support in the RF Armed Forces with the VT being introduced (replaced) or deficiencies being eliminated (new methods, etc.) indicated by you. . Let’s assume that this will be the “transport support system” you propose, which is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Transport Support (since the Armed Forces Logistics Service has been abolished and a new structure of logistics support of the Armed Forces has been introduced) or you go to technical support, for example, to “missile technical” or “artillery” technical" in GRAU and are guided by the "Manual on RAV" and other manuals of the organization of logistics of aircraft and BU. This is where I, stiff-necked and unteachable, begin to little by little figure out what’s what. And if you consider that the majority of those fired, like me, were laid off before the new-tech type of the Home Front or MTO and do not understand what and how it works there and who is responsible for what, then we will be very grateful for such an approach to the material. It will be clear that this exists on the basis of such documents, this is possible without changing the docks, but this requires changing the docks and building a new logistics system or others. And this will be useful, since “our own bourgeois”, “Kemsk volost” , “father and brothers”, the main indicators of armed conflict in the ETVD (judging by age - you are familiar with them), and so on - do not leave hope for a serene old age for a whole spectrum of generations.
            But for now - no, sorry, you can’t first jumble everything together (order, schemes, methods, equipment and personnel with MS and finance), and then adjust the command and control unit, troops, EX and planning with handdocs to them. Don’t be offended, the material seemed crude to me and divorced from the real picture, including the regulatory framework, but it seems to me that you can do much better and I believe that you did not have enough time and patience.
            A big request - do not use foreign terminology, try domestic one.
            Best regards
    2. ada
      0
      25 January 2024 04: 12
      Quote: KSVK
      Sorry, author...

      She cannot forgive you, but, here YOU can, out of the kindness of your heart and for a completely simple reason - the term “logistics” is not used in the RF Armed Forces, and even more so - there is no type of support “logistics”, accordingly, not a single official of the RF Armed Forces or A specialist from a research and development institution, industry (the country's economic complex) working in the interests of the RF Armed Forces will not be able to clearly explain to you all this paramilitary nonsense. It will be easier to study the available materials of the RF Ministry of Defense on logistics and other types of support for troops and their actions.
      Below Comrade writes about the abolition of automobile troops, which actually means their reduction and the introduction of the remnants of automobile formations and military units of the AB in a structural form or by units into combined arms, etc., as well as the involvement of civil organizations and “candle factories” in motor transport (and a number of other) support for troops the type of opus indicated by the author.
  20. +2
    24 January 2024 10: 55
    Excellent article - logistics is the basis of any army and the key to victory in any war. And along with the engineering troops, this is our most “conservative” topic.
  21. +1
    24 January 2024 11: 00
    Quote: Dedok
    containers, 20 (40) feet or Soviet - 2, 3, 5,10 tons - it doesn’t matter

    Have you seen containers of 2 and 10 tons? Where? what
    1. ada
      0
      25 January 2024 04: 17
      Quote: KSVK
      Quote: Dedok
      containers, 20 (40) feet or Soviet - 2, 3, 5,10 tons - it doesn’t matter

      Have you seen containers of 2 and 10 tons? Where? what

      Yes, all of the above. In the USSR.
  22. +2
    24 January 2024 11: 10
    The article does not cover the booking of trucks in the USA widely.
    So, according to American statistics in Iraq and Afghanistan, most of the losses of soldiers and cargo were associated with logistics missions.
    For this reason, funds were allocated to armor all cargo transport; even their fuel tankers, transport and engineering vehicles have bulletproof armor.
    In the Laotian army, no conclusions have been made yet!
  23. +3
    24 January 2024 11: 25
    I haven’t praised A Timokhin for a long time, but now it’s definitely an excellent article!
    The method of solving the problem “through a PMC”, this time a “logistics PMC”, of course, for various reasons, is incredible.
    1. 0
      24 January 2024 15: 07
      Eh, if only we had a PMC to carry out strategic planning and command and control of troops
  24. +4
    24 January 2024 11: 28
    What prevents us from “merging” the availability of such personnel and approaches to work with the capabilities of both our and Chinese industry to supply the necessary equipment and organizing a logistics structure that would work out all the necessary working algorithms, staffing levels, standards for the provision of equipment and supplies, containers, pallets etc.?

    Where should all the army logisticians and their bosses go?
    There are probably friends and relatives of the generals there, etc. You will have to sign your own incapacity.
    1. +2
      24 January 2024 19: 15
      Quote: Goto
      You will have to sign your own incapacity.

      This is some kind of wild feature of Russian bosses. They believe that if at least somewhere they admit weakness, that they admit that they made a mistake somewhere, they will immediately be crucified, put on a bottle, passed around in a circle, torn apart and eaten. Although all subordinates are aware of who leads them
      1. 0
        25 January 2024 10: 31
        Quote from alexoff
        This is some kind of wild feature of Russian bosses.

        Not only Russian ones - this is a feature of all bosses. Because there is one place, but there are many applicants. And after a sincere admission that, yes, Akela missed, a flock of comrades will eat the boss for his sweet soul. That's why - smile and wave, smile and wave.
        1. -1
          25 January 2024 12: 30
          So they will snitch even without confession, especially if he had previously behaved for years like a deranged eccentric, telling everyone that he had squash caviar in his pants, and not what you thought
        2. 0
          26 January 2024 09: 51
          But no, this is precisely our feature. And I can name one component of the insanity of modern leaders. This is a ban from the first and last president of the USSR M.S. Gorbachev accepting anonymous appeals for consideration. That is, every manager is confident that no complaints will be received regarding his mistakes and miscalculations, or rather, if they are received, it will be only in exceptional cases. And sometimes you don’t even know who to complain about, since the author or source of the standards is classified. On the one hand, the bureaucrat or, roughly speaking, the architect of the outrage is unknown, but on the other hand, one cannot complain. Citizens don’t even know who ordered the pedestrian crossing to be moved 30 meters to the side.
          This is like the desire in society for simplification and primitivism, largely determined by the struggle from N.S. Khrushchev with excesses in architecture.
          1. +1
            24 March 2024 14: 54
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            This is a ban from the first and last president of the USSR M.S. Gorbachev accepting anonymous appeals for consideration.

            In fact, the big problem is that there is no system of complaints about any existing mandatory documents and regulations. It is not difficult to do it electronically, and it is very useful in the form of feedback, because small clerks are just executors of the will expressed precisely in papers and norms.
  25. +1
    24 January 2024 11: 57
    How are you stuck in the 40s?
    Serdyukov carried out an effective modernization of the transport component of the rear - he reduced the automobile troops. because transportation must be carried out by civilian vehicles for hire and, based on the fact that there are enough civilian road construction organizations in the country, practically destroyed the road troops (let me remind you that in Lebanon one battalion of these troops restored 9 capital bridges in three weeks).
    Serdyukov and his team are simply geniuses, and not some kind of traitors.
  26. +1
    24 January 2024 11: 59
    I wouldn’t take the plunge. As for transportation, everything is changing right before our eyes. There are no more convoys of equipment, no unequipped and undisguised warehouses, no thoughtless rushing back and forth, no parking along highways and roads. But this alone costs a lot.More One remark: there is no need to transfer everything to container transportation, this is a double-edged sword. As for the equipment itself, I agree with the author, the situation is, if not critical, then close to critical. I would like to draw attention to one fact. Any video of American equipment shows a large number of trailers , and different both in purpose and in tonnage. In our country, in almost 2 years of war, I have not seen a single one.
  27. +3
    24 January 2024 12: 50
    There is such a topic that seems to have been working for a long time - the society of anonymous alcoholics. They are based on one simple principle - the fight against any problem should always begin with the recognition that this problem exists. Against the backdrop of the last two years and the desire of the authorities in general and Vladimir Vladimirovich personally to recognize even the most obvious problems, all these articles on the topic of serious modernization of the RF Armed Forces are beginning to read like utopian novels about a bright future.
    1. 0
      26 January 2024 09: 39
      I fundamentally disagree about utopianism. Some problems seem completely insoluble precisely because the ways to solve them are not voiced by anyone, anywhere. And this article contains a lot of proposals, albeit controversial ones.
  28. -1
    24 January 2024 14: 23
    Quote: Alexey RA
    The article says that the container at the levels below the brigade is a temporary warehouse from which pallets are transported further to the units.

    Just imagine HOW MANY of these containers will be needed to supply this very brigade. And there will be no revolving fund, because you can put it in a container and unload it, but you won’t be able to move pallets inside the container. And there will be 10-15 half-empty containers on the site. Note, standing in an open area, with all that implies accessibility to enemy weapons. And don’t look at the US people, they use containers as warehouses, but that won’t work for us, the weather conditions are different.
  29. +1
    24 January 2024 16: 28
    Now, first of all, we need to modernize the Defense Ministry and General Staff. Without this, all other attempts are useless
  30. +1
    24 January 2024 16: 40
    There are several sides to the problem - also the standardization of weapons for such logistics and loaders
    1. 0
      25 January 2024 13: 06
      Loaders will be manufactured immediately when ordered. There are even such small-sized samples.
      Although I myself don’t like hydraulics, I can’t count how many special clothes have been ruined because of them.
      1. 0
        25 January 2024 16: 16
        I agree here. Now in the Russian Federation, exactly the same issue with the lack of people is being addressed en masse. Machines are massively equipped with manipulators and other mechanization. And in the EU this was already 20 years ago. When it comes to pallet transportation and logistics, there are plenty of specialists; Magnets, Fives and Co. work all over the country. For them, palletizing is a mandatory condition and all transport is designed for this.
  31. +1
    25 January 2024 21: 59
    The discussion about containers is good. How, for example, can you transfer ammunition from a standard container to a self-propelled gun, infantry fighting vehicle or tank? How to transfer ammunition from a container to an air defense missile launcher? The author was not puzzled by this. At the supply base, you will have to fill the container with caps with ammunition or insert racks into the container for shots. It’s good if you need shots of the same type, HE. And if the nomenclature is different: cassette, OF, adjustable? Again fiddling with the cappings. And upon delivery, they brought two ammunition loads, they need to be placed on the division’s transport. It won’t work without closures, so why the hell with the racks from the beach, the cargo in the container with closures. And this is the fuss of personnel with pulling closures out of the container.
    The author presents everything speculatively. And from the point of view of the senior officer of the battery, if the battery is in firing positions, then for towed artillery it is more convenient to pack them on pallets so that they can be picked up by a crane and unloaded into a ditch for ammunition. And if the battery is in a concentration area, then some of the shots must be transferred to tractors, and the other part to transport for ammunition - two cars with trailers. Here you will have to move it manually. You also need to reload ammunition into the ammunition supply department of the division’s logistics platoon. And there will be more hemorrhoids from the container than from overload from on-board vehicles. They just stand next to each other and pass through the sides of the closure.
    This is from personal experience during exercises, and then gained.
    I'm not even talking about HOW to reload ammunition from a container onto self-propelled guns, or onto transport-loading vehicles.
    Of course, for VMO ADN, you can have a crane that will transfer pallets with closures from vehicle to vehicle and from trailer to trailer.
    This is artillery. What about the tankers? And where are the Tunguska anti-aircraft gunners and the missiles and 30mm rounds? And the infantrymen on the BMP-3, where are the 100-mm rounds and 30-mm rounds and 7,62-mm cartridges?
    Therefore, when all the beautiful speculative theories hit the reefs of practice, they begin to crack.
    1. 0
      26 January 2024 12: 32
      Unteachable as is, yes.
      Nothing helps.
      General.
  32. 0
    29 January 2024 18: 24
    It is necessary to revive ZIL and make hundreds of thousands of crane boards a year. They will be useful not only in the army, but also in the national economy. And other large factories will be revived. It’s time for Muscovites to get some real work, otherwise it’s unclear what millions of residents of the capital are doing?
  33. 0
    9 February 2024 21: 40
    Quote: Process Engineer
    It is necessary to revive ZIL and make hundreds of thousands of crane boards a year. They will be useful not only in the army, but also in the national economy. And other large factories will be revived. It’s time for Muscovites to get some real work, otherwise it’s unclear what millions of residents of the capital are doing?

    Quote: Process Engineer
    It is necessary to revive ZIL and make hundreds of thousands of crane boards a year. They will be useful not only in the army, but also in the national economy. And other large factories will be revived. It’s time for Muscovites to get some real work, otherwise it’s unclear what millions of residents of the capital are doing?

    They provide services to each other or sit in the offices of the “Horns and Hooves” offices, moving pieces of paper from place to place. And office hamsters will not go to production.
  34. +1
    23 February 2024 17: 20
    An ensign in a Kamaz truck with a thief is the most terrible thing. Don't release this EVIL into the world!!!
  35. 0
    14 March 2024 18: 22
    Everything is correct. The logic is as follows - soldiers win battles, wars are won by quartermasters (the world is diplomats, but that, as they say, is different). What is surprising is that, given our vastness and distances, we are not innovators in the field of logistics and have not brought it to perfection. During the Great War, they were able to transport and launch production, fully provide for the active army, etc. by the list.
  36. 0
    16 March 2024 12: 08
    Hello. Thank you for the interesting and voluminous article. The topic is necessary and painful, manual unloading, unarmored trucks, etc.