F-16s will strike soon - we must be prepared

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F-16s will strike soon - we must be prepared



Unconfirmed sources


According to information disseminated by the American publication Newsweek on December 27, 2023, some of the F-16 fighters promised to the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) may already be on the territory of the recipient country. Moreover, the source suggests that the Ukrainian Air Force has already used F-16s against Russian Air Force combat aircraft, as well as for launching Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG cruise missiles at targets in Russia.



Newsweek cites its source in the United States. The article also states that, according to Ukrainian media, over the past three weeks the Ukrainian Armed Forces were able to destroy eight Russian combat aircraft. The comments to the Newsweek article mention single contrails seen in the skies over Ukraine, which remain only from single-engine aircraft, while all combat aircraft available to Russia and Ukraine, such as the MiG-29, MiG-31, Su-24, Su -25, as well as aircraft of the Su-27 family, are twin-engine.

If we approach the information provided by Newsweek with skepticism, then, of course, there is no evidence that the F-16 fighters have actually been transferred to Ukraine. US source? But what is this source? So anyone can refer to someone supposedly “informed”, which, in fact, happens all the time, but information from these “sources” is most often later not confirmed.

There is no official confirmation that Russian planes were shot down, nor are there any official denials. In some Russian, quite patriotic telegram channels, information flashed about the destruction of several Russian combat aircraft, but it has not yet received unequivocal confirmation, and the Ukrainian media published in the news there are photographs from last year about downed Russian planes, but there are no truly new, reliable photographic evidence of Ukrainian “feats”. However, even if there were cases of destruction of Russian combat aircraft, this does not serve as unambiguous confirmation of the appearance of F-16 fighters in Ukraine - this may well be the work of the Patriot anti-aircraft missile system from an ambush.

As for single contrails, the question here is that if the Ukrainian Armed Forces had F-16 fighters, they would most likely be used at low altitudes in order to avoid detection by Russian radar stations and being hit by long-range missiles from Su-35/MiG-31 fighter-interceptors or S-400 air defense systems. At the same time, a contrail or wake trail is rarely formed at low altitudes, as a rule, in conditions of very low temperatures, which clearly does not apply to Ukraine.


Jet aircraft do not always leave a contrail behind them.

And the Ukrainian Air Force may well have single-engine combat aircraft - this modernized Su-17M3M fighter-bombers (Su-22M4 or S-22UMZK).

F-16 already in Ukraine?


It would seem that everything suggests that Newsweek’s information is untrue, if not for two points.

Firstly, it has recently become obvious that Western countries first secretly supply military equipment, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine use it against the Russian Armed Forces, trying to achieve the effect of surprise, and only then the media and official sources, both Ukraine and Western countries, confirm fact of delivery.

Secondly, the behavior of the representative of the Ukrainian Air Force command Yuriy Ignat, who began to actively refute the information of Newsweek that F-16 fighters are already on Ukrainian territory, as well as about “the inappropriateness of their stay in Ukraine at this stage" It is characteristic that in mid-November of this year the same Yuriy Ignat denied information about the beginning of training for Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16 fighters in Romania. This is very atypical behavior for both Ukrainian officials and the Ukrainian media, which are more prone to bragging and exaggeration than to modesty and secrecy.

We should not forget that the presidential elections of the Russian Federation are approaching, and in the absence of real achievements on the battlefield, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will try to carry out the most sensitive - “media” attacks that cause maximum resonance in Russian society, in an attempt to shake up the situation within our country. And what could be better for the enemy than to strike at the height of the New Year holidays against critical civilian infrastructure or armed forces?

Let's assume that Newsweek's information is true or close to it, that is, even if the F-16 fighters are not actually on the territory of Ukraine yet, but the pilots are trained, the infrastructure is deployed, ammunition is available, and the technicians are ready to start working. In this case, for the appearance of F-16 fighters in Ukraine, a few hours may be enough - just fly from the territory of Romania or Poland.

There is another scenario - even if F-16 fighters are not located on the territory of Ukraine, where is the guarantee that they do not or will not fly from the territory of Poland or Romania? Yes, it seems that there were statements that Russia would regard the flights of combat aircraft from the territory of third countries as direct participation in the conflict, but without confirmation of threats with action, all these are empty words - we still have not gotten even for the Nord Stream, although it was possible at least destroy submarine cables between the US and Europe.

In addition, NATO countries can get out of it, for example, from bases in Romania or Poland, F-16 fighters will take off unarmed, then make a short landing at Ukrainian airfields - refuel, arm themselves, maybe even change the Polish pilot to a Ukrainian one, and then take off and perform combat work. And that’s it, formally the flights are coming from the territory of Ukraine - we didn’t strike Poland or Germany because they began transporting damaged Ukrainian armored vehicles there for repairs? So the planes - they were fired, a short landing, a change of pilot and to Poland for maintenance - what will we do then?


F-16 fighters at Lask Air Base, Poland

Threats and Risks


Despite the occasional mischievous talk that Ukrainian F-16 fighters will not affect the course of the conflict in any way, and that all of them will be quickly shot down by Russian Su-35 fighters and S-400 air defense systems, if used correctly, enemy aircraft can cause us significant damage .

Of course, first of all we are talking about the same use of the Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG missile system. Some sources talk about the incompatibility of these missiles with F-16 fighters, but this can clearly be solved, and perhaps it has already been decided - the Soviet Su-24 and MiG-29 were also not adapted to work with the Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG missile system. Each F-16 fighter can potentially carry 2 Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG missiles, that is, even 5 vehicles are 10 missiles in a salvo, not counting the possible remnants of Soviet-made Ukrainian aircraft, including those delivered from third countries after the start of the SVO .

In this case, we can expect new attacks on the ships of the Black Sea fleet Russian Navy, Crimean Bridge and airfields located within the reach of the Kyrgyz Republic Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG when launched from the territory of Ukraine, still controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. In order to ruin the New Year holidays for Russians, civilian infrastructure facilities may also be attacked.

At worst The United States may transfer AGM-16B JASSM-ER cruise missiles along with F-158 fighters – then the enemy will most likely try to deliver a powerful blow deep into the territory of our country. Here we can distinguish two most possible scenarios: the first - when the attack will be carried out on predominantly military targets, that is, on air bases, large fuel storage facilities and weapons depots, the second - when the enemy tries to deliver the strongest possible “image” blow to Moscow.


The F-16 fighter can carry 2 JASSM ER missiles

F-16 fighters, even though they will not be delivered to Ukraine in the latest modification, are equipped with fairly advanced avionics (avionics). In addition, we cannot rule out the use of various suspended containers on them, for example, radio reconnaissance (RTR) and electronic warfare (EW) - after all, Western countries are also interested in testing their equipment in real conditions, and working over their territory makes critical hits possible. technologies to the enemy is unlikely.

Taking advantage of avionics, F-16 fighters can begin hunting Russian air defense systems using AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles (ARMs). Potentially, this could reduce the effectiveness of Russian air defense systems, primarily near the line of combat contact (LCC).


Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter launches AGM-88 HARM missile launcher. It can be assumed that the F-16 will cope with this task even better

And finally, using AIM-120 V-B missiles, F-16 fighters can try to attack Russian planes and helicopters. The greatest risks are exposed to long-range radar detection and control aircraft (AWACS), of which our country has very few, transport aircraft and Tu-22M3 long-range bombers, in the event that they approach enemy-controlled territory, for example, for launching Kh-22 missiles at targets located deep in Ukraine. It cannot be ruled out that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will try to attack tactical aircraft. aviation – for the United States, the Russian Su-120 fighter shot down by an AIM-16 missile from an F-35 fighter is an excellent advertisement that can bring billions of dollars in profits in the future.


The flight range of the most modern modification of the B-B missile AIM-120D reaches 180 kilometers

A scenario is possible and very likely when target designation for Ukrainian F-16 fighters will be directly issued by AWACS aircraft and reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of Western countries.

Conclusions


F-16 fighters may already be transferred to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, may be transferred in the very near future, and can also carry out strikes from the territory of third countries, carrying out short-term landings at Ukrainian airfields for rearmament and refueling, in order to formally deny the fact of a combat sortie, for example, from the territory Poland or Romania.

F-16 fighters will pose a threat even with existing Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG missiles, and if American long-range missiles of the JASSM-ER type are supplied, the danger posed by them will increase significantly.

The use of F-16 fighters with RTR and electronic warfare containers, in combination with AGM-88 HARM-type missile launchers, will pose a threat to Russian air defense systems, primarily near the LBS.

There are high risks of F-16 fighters using B-B AIM-120 missiles to inflict sensitive losses on the Russian Air Force using target designation issued by AWACS aircraft and reconnaissance UAVs of NATO countries, including Russian AWACS aircraft, long-range bombers Tu-22M3 and tactical aircraft Su-35.

Yes, F-16 fighters will not be able to turn the tide of the Northern Military District in favor of Ukraine, but with their help it is possible to inflict very unpleasant losses on the Russian Armed Forces - this threat cannot be treated with the usual “hat-kicking” attitude of a significant part of our society.

It is necessary to take measures for the timely detection and destruction of Ukrainian F-16 fighters both in the air and at home airfields. If F-16 fighters are based at NATO air bases, they must be detected and destroyed by high-precision weapons long range – Western countries cannot be allowed to cross another “red line”.
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  1. +10
    3 January 2024 04: 53
    According to information distributed by the American publication Newsweek, some of the F-16 fighters promised to the Ukrainian armed forces may already be on the territory of the recipient country

    Is this really difficult to find out? An airplane is not a revolver that can be smuggled across the border by putting it in your bosom.
    1. +12
      3 January 2024 05: 02
      Satellite reconnaissance is not very good here? Here, for example, is a “not our” photo before the strike on the large landing ship, quality...
      1. +8
        3 January 2024 06: 56
        No, you don’t have to guess, drills should be for this, and not fumble around in the dark
        1. +5
          3 January 2024 09: 39
          Quote: novel xnumx
          No, you don’t have to guess, drills should be for this, and not fumble around in the dark

          AWACS aircraft do not physically see what is happening in Transcarpathia. The A-50U radar flight detects a fighter from a distance of 300 kilometers, while the AWACS aircraft itself is not recommended to approach closer than 200 kilometers to the front line due to the possibility of attacks from enemy air defenses.
          1. +15
            3 January 2024 15: 50
            The war has been going on for almost 2 years and NATO is supplying Ukraine with intelligence information. Why haven’t locators and reconnaissance equipment with trained local crews, which can supply Russia with information about the enemy, been transferred to Belarus? There is no risk. Everything in western Ukraine and beyond is visible, and more than half falls within the target designation zone in real time. Gerasimov why? Genius, reformer, creator of the “new army”, why?
            1. +5
              4 January 2024 17: 39
              Because... gladiolus... Not a genius, but a destroyer. What do we want from the parade army, and the defeated military-industrial complex, over the past thirty years?
              1. 0
                12 January 2024 11: 25
                will strike, we will respond crushingly, it seems no one is going to turn the tide of the Northern Military District, both sides are satisfied with the main goal - not to reverse, but to grind
                1. 0
                  8 March 2024 16: 36
                  But here the question arises: who is grinding whom, are we them or we are them, and the West is grinding us with their hands?
        2. +1
          3 January 2024 11: 38
          Quote: novel xnumx
          No, you don’t have to guess, drills should be for this, and not fumble around in the dark

          AWACS, “illiterate of course”... “see” far, but high.
          1. +7
            3 January 2024 11: 49
            Quote: Aerodrome
            Quote: novel xnumx
            No, you don’t have to guess, drills should be for this, and not fumble around in the dark

            AWACS, “illiterate of course”... “see” far, but high.
            DRLS will be more accurate. Here at the “point” are RSP and RSBN - the standard, so to speak. some look at 200, others at 350 (for example) complementing each other. but they don’t see anything when something flies over the “telegraph poles”. On the “New Year”, the GSVG was horrified by these “fireworks”. there it was possible to strike massively, everything was glowing, and on the screens, BUT. there was the USSR - and everyone knew that, if you move, it’s the end for you.
            1. 0
              3 January 2024 12: 55
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              Quote: Aerodrome
              Quote: novel xnumx
              No, you don’t have to guess, drills should be for this, and not fumble around in the dark

              AWACS, “illiterate of course”... “see” far, but high.
              DRLS will be more accurate. Here at the “point” are RSP and RSBN - the standard, so to speak. some look at 200, others at 350 (for example) complementing each other. but they don’t see anything when something flies over the “telegraph poles”. On the “New Year”, the GSVG was horrified by these “fireworks”. there it was possible to strike massively, everything was glowing, and on the screens, BUT. there was the USSR - and everyone knew that, if you move, it’s the end for you.

              yeah... the airfield "garrisons" are not air defense at all... as... the "auxiliary" ones work, although flocks of birds sometimes got in the way... it was obvious. And they were different from other "lights". This again depends on operator qualifications. It’s like an “acoustician” in a submarine, he knows the noise, and the radar operator knows all these “flares” and “marks”. This is an invaluable experience that cannot be bought.
          2. +6
            3 January 2024 21: 45
            There are mountains in Crimea. In Soviet times, there were radars there that illuminated Turkey from edge to edge! What’s stopping you from installing equipment now and monitoring Ukraine, the sea, Romania and Bulgaria? Only the lack of a leadership kick in the thinking center of the military leadership - the ass!
      2. +12
        3 January 2024 09: 06
        For years they launched satellites to the bourgeoisie, thinking that they were “partners”. Now let's catch up.
        1. -5
          3 January 2024 09: 40
          Quote: Anadyrean
          For years they launched satellites to the bourgeoisie, thinking that they were “partners”. Now let's catch up.

          So they were partners in the wire too. We supplied Russia with technologies, incl. and military. Everything changed with the beginning of the SVO.
          1. +11
            3 January 2024 11: 43
            Quote from Escariot
            they were partners on the wire too. We supplied Russia with technologies, incl. and military.

            Are you raving belay
            You are delusional. Yes
            Quote from Escariot
            We supplied Russia with technologies, incl. and military.

            Even banal civilians didn’t let us in, even remember the prohibited purchase of an Opel. And there weren’t even many such prohibitions on already concluded sales contracts, but fellow lots of .
            Not to mention the destruction of the high-tech industries of the former USSR, which were very competitive and at the pinnacle of progress. Civil aircraft building, shipbuilding, engine building, production of energy gas turbines, electronics, bearing production, machine tool building, automotive industry... everything.
            Quote from Escariot
            Everything changed with the beginning of the SVO.

            Everything changed with the beginning of 1992.
            It worsened after the coup in Kyiv in 2014.
            And it reached its apogee after 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX.
            We have plenty of our own technologies and developments. Our government is a chronic victim of the “deceptions”, “throwaways” and other childhood diseases of the liberal puppet. Nowadays the secondary complex is being overcome with difficulty, but it is being overcome.
            And finally understand that our weapons are better and are created for war, and not for the circus.
            1. +6
              3 January 2024 12: 21
              Quote: bayard
              Quote from Escariot
              they were partners on the wire too. We supplied Russia with technologies, incl. and military.

              Are you raving belay
              You are delusional. Yes
              Quote from Escariot
              We supplied Russia with technologies, incl. and military.

              Even banal civilians didn’t let us in, even remember the prohibited purchase of an Opel. And there weren’t even many such prohibitions on already concluded sales contracts, but fellow lots of .
              Not to mention the destruction of the high-tech industries of the former USSR, which were very competitive and at the pinnacle of progress. Civil aircraft building, shipbuilding, engine building, production of energy gas turbines, electronics, bearing production, machine tool building, automotive industry... everything.
              Quote from Escariot
              Everything changed with the beginning of the SVO.

              Everything changed with the beginning of 1992.
              It worsened after the coup in Kyiv in 2014.
              And it reached its apogee after 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX.
              We have plenty of our own technologies and developments. Our government is a chronic victim of the “deceptions”, “throwaways” and other childhood diseases of the liberal puppet. Nowadays the secondary complex is being overcome with difficulty, but it is being overcome.
              And finally understand that our weapons are better and are created for war, and not for the circus.

              Have you seen the T-90M tank in the picture? So there is a “Belarusian” Sosna-U sight on the thermal imager monitor of which Thales is written. This is a French company producing military electronics.
              1. -7
                3 January 2024 13: 47
                Quote from Escariot
                Have you seen the T-90M tank in the picture? So there is a “Belarusian” Sosna-U sight on the thermal imager monitor of which Thales is written. This is a French company producing military electronics.

                Even schoolchildren know about this thermal imager, the topic is so popular. It’s just 2 years without two months of hellish sanctions on Russia, and the production of tanks is only growing. And there are already enough thermal imagers. How does this happen?
                But it turns out simply - the matrices for these thermal imagers have already been imported - they are already domestic. So everything is fine with us. I’m surprised that they haven’t started asking questions about the radio component base, although issues with it are being resolved and there is enough of everything - the production of high-precision weapons is growing not even by multiples, but by orders of magnitude.
                Only a tank, this is not only a thermal imager lol this is the WHOLE TANK, which was created for war, our climate and our landscape.
                There are enough funds and hunters for the F-16, tea is not a prodigy - we have all the means of detection and destruction tailored for it.
                1. +3
                  3 January 2024 14: 00
                  Quote: bayard
                  Quote from Escariot
                  Have you seen the T-90M tank in the picture? So there is a “Belarusian” Sosna-U sight on the thermal imager monitor of which Thales is written. This is a French company producing military electronics.

                  Even schoolchildren know about this thermal imager, the topic is so popular. It’s just 2 years without two months of hellish sanctions on Russia, and the production of tanks is only growing. And there are already enough thermal imagers. How does this happen?
                  But it turns out simply - the matrices for these thermal imagers have already been imported - they are already domestic. So everything is fine with us. I’m surprised that they haven’t started asking questions about the radio component base, although issues with it are being resolved and there is enough of everything - the production of high-precision weapons is growing not even by multiples, but by orders of magnitude.
                  Only a tank, this is not only a thermal imager lol this is the WHOLE TANK, which was created for war, our climate and our landscape.
                  There are enough funds and hunters for the F-16, tea is not a prodigy - we have all the means of detection and destruction tailored for it.

                  I cited a thermal imager as an example of the fact that the West completely supplied itself with purely military developments from Russia. Moreover, the story with Thermal Imagers happened even after Crimea. So the West supplied military technologies.
                  1. -3
                    3 January 2024 14: 26
                    Quote from Escariot
                    The West quite supplied itself with purely military developments from Russia.

                    There is nothing critical about thermal imagers; it’s better to ask who provided them with the TT formula for their missiles (SLBMs). And before that incident, their program was not working.
                    In terms of military technology, everything was fine with us, but some critical production facilities were destroyed for us. First of all, the radio component base.
                    Quote from Escariot
                    The West supplied military technologies.

                    So he supplied us with his technologies during the Cold War - capitalism loves money. Only their governments often did not know about such supplies.
                    And when the Russian Federation had all the heavy weapons beyond the Urals and the economy was floundering in the mud, what threat did they pose? You can also install a thermal imager.
                    1. +3
                      3 January 2024 15: 11
                      Quote: bayard
                      Quote from Escariot
                      The West quite supplied itself with purely military developments from Russia.

                      There is nothing critical about thermal imagers; it’s better to ask who provided them with the TT formula for their missiles (SLBMs). And before that incident, their program was not working.
                      In terms of military technology, everything was fine with us, but some critical production facilities were destroyed for us. First of all, the radio component base.
                      Quote from Escariot
                      The West supplied military technologies.

                      So he supplied us with his technologies during the Cold War - capitalism loves money. Only their governments often did not know about such supplies.
                      And when the Russian Federation had all the heavy weapons beyond the Urals and the economy was floundering in the mud, what threat did they pose? You can also install a thermal imager.

                      Those. Do you even agree that the West and Russia had more or less normal business before?
                      1. -5
                        3 January 2024 20: 09
                        Quote from Escariot
                        Did the West and Russia have more or less normal business before?

                        And who will argue with this? They pumped gas, drained oil, transported coal, timber, uranium (fuel rods). We purchased consumer goods and equipment. They (the West) themselves refused, and now the economy is crumbling. In 2 years, Germany fell from 5th place in the world among economies to 10th. But this is the flagship of Europe.
                        During the same time, Russia reached 5th place and is already close to 4th place, where Japan is now.
                        And about “more or less normal business”, even quite in a peaceful industry, is shown by the sanctions on the production of our civil aircraft (MS-21) - the ban on the export of composites for black wings to Russia. This cannot be called normal, but oil\uranium\gas\coal\timber and brains were actively exported.
                      2. -1
                        8 January 2024 02: 22
                        Quote: bayard
                        They pumped gas, drained oil, transported coal, timber, uranium (fuel rods). We purchased consumer goods and equipment. They refused (the West) themselves, now the economy is crumbling
                        When did they refuse? Something is unnoticeable. How many Russian resources, from oil and gas to fuel for NATO nuclear power plants, went abroad in 2022 and 2023?
                2. 0
                  3 January 2024 22: 23
                  It’s just 2 years without two months of hellish sanctions on Russia, and the production of tanks is only growing. And there are already enough thermal imagers. How does this happen?

                  What tanks? T-90M Were out of stock and were rebuilt with domestic sights? They remained the same as they were. They installed Chinese heaters on B3, in the 90s they laughed at Chinese consumer goods, today it’s not funny. Do we remember Iraq? A tank without a thermal imager is like a joke for 30 years.
                  We make high-precision weapons. Soviet.
                  And if not Soviet, then where did the radio electronics come from? Some are from “our” enterprise in Singapore, some are from China, some are domestic, almost the same as the Soviet ones, at the level of the 90s. The radio stations are Chinese, the fact that they are assembled halfway from us does not change anything at all; you can’t talk with half a radio.
                  Of course, Soviet ASPs perform their tasks and hit targets with sufficient accuracy. But the difference in the element base is a fact, because there is the R-13 missile - consider it analog, and there is the R-73. You better tell me how to shoot down planes.
                  1. -3
                    4 January 2024 00: 18
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    What tanks? T-90M Were out of stock and were rebuilt with domestic sights?

                    In 2022 - early 2023, due to the manifold increase in tank production, Sosna-U thermal imagers became insufficient for everyone. Therefore, Sosna-U was used for the new T-90M, and for most of the T-72B3M then produced, thermal imagers from the T-80U were temporarily installed (these were used on the first T-90A). Now all this is in the past. New thermal imagers come with a domestic matrix.
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    A tank without a thermal imager is like a joke for 30 years.

                    Without a thermal imager - yes, a joke. And without a French thermal imager, but with a domestic one - our reality today.
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    Where is the radio electronics from?

                    Radio component base - from everywhere, incl. and our own (and Belarusian) production. And radio electronics are ours.
                    Just like the USA, and this is no secret.
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    The radio stations are Chinese, the fact that they are assembled halfway from us does not change anything at all; you can’t talk with half a radio.

                    But the issue was resolved relatively quickly. Now the connection is secure. Repeaters are generally made by local craftsmen.
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    the difference in the element base is a fact,

                    For the most part, it’s still the same Taiwan and China; in the USA, only very specific military-space class components are produced in the USA. It's the same with us. So, the entire component base for the Sarmat ICBM is new and produced in the Russian Federation.
                    If the United States is now put into autarky, its entire economy will collapse.
                    And the military-industrial complex too.
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    You better tell me how to shoot down planes.

                    We have something to shoot down, and these means are very good.
                3. +1
                  7 January 2024 02: 19
                  Are you going to go catch it yourself?
              2. -3
                3 January 2024 15: 21
                Quote from Escariot
                Have you seen the T-90M tank in the picture? So there is a “Belarusian” Sosna-U sight on the thermal imager monitor of which Thales is written.

                okay, at least it’s not a phallus... so for more than a year now, our Ural company “Shvabe” has been sending matrices to the defense industry. teach small equipment...
                1. +1
                  3 January 2024 15: 23
                  Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                  Quote from Escariot
                  Have you seen the T-90M tank in the picture? So there is a “Belarusian” Sosna-U sight on the thermal imager monitor of which Thales is written.

                  okay, at least it’s not a phallus... so for more than a year now, our Ural company “Shvabe” has been sending matrices to the defense industry. teach small equipment...

                  The question was not whether Schwabe was now producing thermal imagers, but that the West was quite supplying these technologies to Russia before the start of its
                  1. +3
                    3 January 2024 15: 29
                    Quote from Escariot
                    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                    Quote from Escariot
                    Have you seen the T-90M tank in the picture? So there is a “Belarusian” Sosna-U sight on the thermal imager monitor of which Thales is written.

                    okay, at least it’s not a phallus... so for more than a year now, our Ural company “Shvabe” has been sending matrices to the defense industry. teach small equipment...

                    The question was not whether Schwabe was now producing thermal imagers, but that the West was quite supplying these technologies to Russia before the start of its

                    I didn’t even almost install “helicopter carriers”, thank God it didn’t turn out to be Serdyukovism.
                    1. -2
                      3 January 2024 20: 23
                      Quote: Aerodrome
                      I almost installed “helicopter carriers”, thank God it didn’t turn out to be Serdyukovism.

                      Actually, those helicopter carriers wouldn’t hurt us now. Moreover, they were planned for the Pacific Fleet. And other Serdyukovism, yes, reverberates to this day. Just the destruction of Academies, military universities and professional personnel in the Army is now costing us enormous blood. But - “Hero of Russia”, the UAC is without hands without him.
                  2. +1
                    3 January 2024 20: 15
                    Quote from Escariot
                    the West quite supplied these technologies to Russia before the start of its

                    This is France, where else can they supply? They also supplied to the USSR. These are their developments - the West does not need them, except for France itself, but for us, lacking our own at that time, they are quite suitable. And these are not technologies, but simply finished products. Japan, when selling us a TV, is not selling technology, but simply a TV.
                    1. +2
                      3 January 2024 22: 36
                      This is France, where else can they supply? They also supplied to the USSR

                      They even left NATO under the USSR. There were other interests. A kind of Yugoslav version, oriented neutrality.
                      Believe me, the entire NATO needs French technology. There are countless French spare parts in NATO technology; all of Europe flies on French transports and helicopters.
                      Japan selling us a TV

                      They also bought these TVs at first. And almost buckets of bolts. And now their cars don’t rot, and we ride on buckets of bolts.
                      1. -1
                        4 January 2024 00: 33
                        Quote: English tarantass
                        They even left NATO under the USSR. There were other interests. A kind of Yugoslav version, oriented neutrality.

                        Absolutely right. And it was a sin not to use it, incl. and in the procurement of technological equipment.
                        And the sale of thermal imagers is not technology (production lines and technical process), but a finished product. Now their production is completely localized.
                        Quote: English tarantass
                        We ride on buckets of bolts.

                        Why ride on buckets? The country is full of imported cars. And in the USA they drive foreign cars - it's Detroit.
              3. +2
                3 January 2024 17: 10
                Well, never Thales, but Thales, with the emphasis on the last syllable. The inscription is not in English, but in French.
              4. -1
                3 January 2024 22: 36
                Quote from Escariot
                Quote: bayard
                Quote from Escariot
                they were partners on the wire too. We supplied Russia with technologies, incl. and military.

                Are you raving belay
                You are delusional. Yes
                Quote from Escariot
                We supplied Russia with technologies, incl. and military.

                Even banal civilians didn’t let us in, even remember the prohibited purchase of an Opel. And there weren’t even many such prohibitions on already concluded sales contracts, but fellow lots of .
                Not to mention the destruction of the high-tech industries of the former USSR, which were very competitive and at the pinnacle of progress. Civil aircraft building, shipbuilding, engine building, production of energy gas turbines, electronics, bearing production, machine tool building, automotive industry... everything.
                Quote from Escariot
                Everything changed with the beginning of the SVO.

                Everything changed with the beginning of 1992.
                It worsened after the coup in Kyiv in 2014.
                And it reached its apogee after 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX.
                We have plenty of our own technologies and developments. Our government is a chronic victim of the “deceptions”, “throwaways” and other childhood diseases of the liberal puppet. Nowadays the secondary complex is being overcome with difficulty, but it is being overcome.
                And finally understand that our weapons are better and are created for war, and not for the circus.

                Have you seen the T-90M tank in the picture? So there is a “Belarusian” Sosna-U sight on the thermal imager monitor of which Thales is written. This is a French company producing military electronics.

                Thales is in a piquant place for you. And the French electronics company is called TALES.
                1. 0
                  3 January 2024 23: 52
                  Tales of the very first series that comes from the 90s. Why didn’t he persist and there have been better matrices in Russia itself for a long time
                2. 0
                  11 January 2024 01: 42
                  In French, the endings ES and S are usually not pronounced. So the company name is pronounced TAL
              5. -2
                4 January 2024 20: 56
                so who destroyed? We did it ourselves. And now we groan, we are eager to go to the Turks, to the Arabs.... To buy a car. From these machines there is nowhere to step in the yards, and everything is not enough. They banged their helmets and foreheads on the asphalt. They carried Yeltsin in their arms, kissed his ass, and idolized the idiot Gorbachev. The political officers have bored me so much with their bullshit that I’m tired of sending them to hell. All of them I know have been squeezing their butts in Israel and the states for a long time. There is no point in blaming the mirror now if the faces themselves are crooked.
          2. +3
            3 January 2024 23: 51
            What did they supply? VAG screwdriver assembly and washing machines near St. Petersburg? You made my day)))
          3. -1
            4 January 2024 17: 41
            Yeah. Partners, active.. In sexual games..
    2. +15
      3 January 2024 05: 04
      It's not at all difficult to find out. You just need to strike Rzeszew once, accurately but strongly. No one will start a war because of this, but the United States will understand that this line is not worth crossing. And it’s even better to give the same Houthis good weapons for use in aug. The USA only understands a good, tasty slap on the wrist, a physical one. Not virtual red lines
      1. -2
        3 January 2024 09: 06
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        It's not at all difficult to find out. You just need to strike Rzeszew once, accurately but strongly. No one will start a war because of this, but the United States will understand that this line is not worth crossing. And it’s even better to give the same Houthis good weapons for use in aug. The USA only understands a good, tasty slap on the wrist, a physical one. Not virtual red lines

        Do you think the enemy will be afraid? And if he’s not scared, then what should he do? Everyone to heaven?
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        2. 0
          3 January 2024 11: 44
          Quote from Escariot
          And if he’s not scared, then what should he do? Everyone to heaven?

          No, then they will just die.
          And we will build Paradise on our Earth.
        3. +2
          3 January 2024 15: 30
          Quote from Escariot
          Everyone to heaven?
          why Everyone? - only us... they are in Hell!
      2. +3
        3 January 2024 10: 03
        And I got the impression that an attack on an international hub, protected by Patriot batteries and where ten thousand Americans are stationed, can be interpreted not even as an attack on NATO, but as an attack on the United States itself. And it may turn out that in a few weeks Ukraine has found not only cruise missiles capable of hitting Moscow, but also tactical nuclear weapons. It is quite possible that they are waiting for just such an occasion.
      3. 0
        3 January 2024 12: 29
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        You just need to strike Rzeszew once, accurately but strongly.


        Never.
        Even with “reinforced concrete” data, you will have to limit yourself to expressing concern (sexual).
        Poland is a NATO member, period.
        Ukroreich - hunting grounds, fenced with red flags.
        Moreover, the border of this sandbox was not marked by us and extends even to the Kremlin, and to some object (on the R/U highway) which was unsuccessfully attacked by Ukroluftwaffe drones.

        “Each F-16 fighter can potentially carry 2 Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG missile launchers, that is, even 5 vehicles are 10 missile launchers in a salvo, not counting the possible remnants of Soviet-made Ukrainian aircraft, including those supplied from third countries after the start of SVO."

        This is a very serious argument.
        The enemy is learning, my mentors are improving their skills every day.
        They will certainly take off from the territory of Poland and Romania (over-wing tanks will expand the radius of combat use to XXX).
        Potentially, Ukrainians can hang up several dozen Scalps for a “star raid”.

        Ideally, no time should be given for this armada to take off.
        But strong figures from our establishment have too many relatives and capital abroad (in London, the USA, and most importantly in Israel).

        And most importantly, too large pieces of Ukrainian land were bought (after Zelensky’s reflex) by Israeli, American and German companies.

        Therefore, there is hard work ahead (in a sandbox limited by red flags).
        1. 0
          3 January 2024 17: 25
          So what if it’s a member of NATO. The Houthis are calmly attacking US Navy ships and bases, so what. No one declares war on them and no one launches nuclear strikes. So it is here. Because of Rzeszow and the Poles, Americans will NEVER start a nuclear third world war. They love their Cadillacs, villas in Miami and yachts in the Bahamas too much. They choked on Poland
          1. +1
            3 January 2024 22: 45
            Houthis calmly attack

            For this, the Houthis will go to heaven among the virgins, as a warrior of the Almighty, instead of grazing goats in the desert, because the Houthis are waging jihad.
            I’m not sure where you will end up, if you are not a Muslim, but an Orthodox Christian, then for such actions towards Christians you will most likely go to hell. On the other hand, you won’t have to pay a mortgage, which is many times worse than herding sheep, and here I understand you.
        2. +1
          4 January 2024 00: 11
          That's what I'm talking about. This is if a gang of gopniks loaded the sucker into a fight with one of them for the amusement and cackling of the crowd. They beat one down, they send another, and so on until the tormented man - the wounded bear - collapses to his knees and they start finishing him off and urinating him. And instead of sticking a fork in the neck of the leader of Nato’s head and not giving a damn about the “red flags,” certain people in the Kremlin are playing this game. Not understanding that there are no rules and they were invented for suckers and slaves. The one who doesn't follow the rules wins. REMEMBER.
    3. +8
      3 January 2024 07: 30
      “Is it really difficult to find out? - It may not be difficult to find out. But what to do if it turns out that F16s take off from airfields in Poland and Romania, land in Ukraine, refuel, take off and carry out strikes? Admit it and get over it by drawing the next “red lines” So the paint has long since run out... I think that Ukraine has long been using the airfields of Poland and Romania for basing aircraft and not only for the F16, but also for aircraft manufactured in the USSR.
      1. +4
        3 January 2024 07: 53
        Quote: Vladimir M
        what to do if it turns out that F16s are taking off from airfields in Poland and Romania

        This is already aggression from the territory of Poland and Romania. With this situation, the special operation reaches another level
        1. +7
          3 January 2024 08: 00
          So I asked, what should I do in this case? And will you have the “courage” to answer?
          1. -2
            3 January 2024 11: 54
            Technically, if the plane is under state signs. symbols of Ukraine. If a plane is shot down over the territory of Ukraine, then what is stationed in Poland/Romania will not matter. But if he flies under the flags of another country... it will be more difficult
            1. +2
              3 January 2024 12: 43
              This means that the West is already at war with us with might and main, albeit at the hands of the Ukrainians - it tears up our streams, sinks our ships, blows up bridges, fires missiles at Russian cities..., and we destroy the paint and send signals. And why do they need to put NATO symbols on planes? The West is happy with everything at this stage.
            2. 0
              4 January 2024 00: 16
              Spit. Shoot down everything on the radar, then let the media howl and figure out where and what. I remember during the union, when the Korean B747 was destroyed, the howl was notable))) But what’s the point. It made me very happy then, these brutes, without a transponder, launched a bomb carrier into the USSR, where there could have been anything, even a nuclear bomb, and then the hari mowed down and shot them down. But then there was a smell of testosterone a kilometer away from the Kremlin.
        2. -4
          3 January 2024 09: 08
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Quote: Vladimir M
          what to do if it turns out that F16s are taking off from airfields in Poland and Romania

          This is already aggression from the territory of Poland and Romania. With this situation, the special operation reaches another level

          Not at all. The basing of aviation in a third country is not an act of aggression.
          1. +3
            3 January 2024 10: 38
            Quote from Escariot
            The basing of aviation in a third country is not an act of aggression

            Basing is not. But air strikes from this territory are
          2. +5
            3 January 2024 10: 54
            Not at all. The basing of aviation in a third country is not an act of aggression.

            In this case, the formal definition is not relevant. Several UN resolutions have already defined the aggressor, and all opposition to the aggressor falls under Article 51 of the UN Charter, that is, there are no formal violations. Thanks to Lavrov and his department for such diplomatic foresight.:((
          3. -1
            3 January 2024 11: 48
            Quote from Escariot
            The basing of aviation in a third country is not an act of aggression.

            Is . Yes
            Still as it is. bully
            And he is punished. angry
          4. 0
            4 January 2024 00: 20
            Hmm... What then is an act of aggression? NATO gangs and special forces in the amount of 30 thousand were in Ukraine already in 2016 and now there are even more of them there, weapons are rushing, operations are planned by NATO Nazis, etc. It would be interesting if someone tried this with the USA, for example by supplying Iskander missiles to Cuba. What would happen?
      2. 0
        3 January 2024 17: 35
        Conduct sabotage using drones from enemy territory, and then turn on the fool and say that it’s not us.
    4. +2
      3 January 2024 10: 48
      There DEFINITELY is. The so-called “Office 61” at the Ministry of Educational Institution contributed to this as much as possible. I think that for now they are taking part against drones and cruise missiles in the general air defense system. For such tasks, a trained pilot has a maximum of six months of training. They are based in Galicia, there are enough “caves” in the Carpathians. And there are enough underground caches (where moonshine factories were located, even during the Soviet era).
      And for a jump, sections of highways built with “Covid” money are quite enough. I flew in, refueled from a roadside underground fuel storage facility, or at least a fuel tanker, and took off.
      It looks like we can’t do without the Su-57.
      1. -1
        3 January 2024 10: 53
        Quote: knn54
        Based in Galicia, there are enough “caves” in the Carpathians

        Nowadays there is no particular need for airfields for these purposes. There are excellent simulators that completely simulate flight. One to one!
    5. +1
      3 January 2024 15: 49
      Agree. But Ukraine is not the same territory as Luxembourg
    6. +1
      4 January 2024 12: 36
      Dutchman Michel
      The F-16 is not very big. He took off the wings and plumage, put it in the truck and drove it. They bring them in at night, one plane at a time, and hide them under nets. The flight schedule of Russian satellites is known. What problems can be caused secretly? Only human intelligence will help here
  2. 0
    3 January 2024 04: 53
    The whole war is a development of the NATO scenario. I am sure that Zhirinovsky knew and did not predict, and the footage in the old Simpsons hints at this. Russian planes can handle it.
  3. +8
    3 January 2024 05: 43
    ...upgraded Su-17M3M fighter-bombers (Su-22M4 or S-22UMZK).
    The Su-17M3M aircraft does not exist in real life. The Su-22M4 is an export modification of the Su-17M4 aircraft; the S-22UM3K aircraft was not produced either. There was a variant of the Su-22UM3 (product “S-52UM3K”), this is the Export Su-17UM3 with the R-29BS-300 engine and there was the Su-22UM3K, this is the export Su-17UM3 with the original AL-21F-3 engine.
  4. +12
    3 January 2024 06: 14
    Western countries cannot be allowed to cross another “red line.”

    What do you mean you can't? Do they ask permission?
    Israel does not bother to ask on whose territory those who threaten its statehood are located, and the UN has once again wiped itself out with its resolutions.
    But Russia cannot go this way. Our people are immortal, we have an impenetrable dome that protects us from missiles and shells.
    And most importantly, we have the first and most important goal - elections!!! And rockets and shells have not yet reached the Kremlin...And even if they do, they do not bring casualties...They are not bringing them yet...
  5. +7
    3 January 2024 06: 15
    The best air defense in the world is our tanks at enemy airfields. The operation on Gostomel (the tanks didn’t make it, well, that’s a question for the Commander-in-Chief!) confirms this!
    1. +5
      3 January 2024 14: 39
      Absolutely.
      There is no point in chasing every single F-16 all over Ukraine, Poland and Romania. You still can't catch everyone.
      I think the General Staff understands this very well, but everyone knew that the F-16s would be delivered, and our generals had a year to prepare for their “unexpected” appearance.
      And now the moment has come.
      Now we just look at what our Defense Ministry has prepared.

      Ps. If instead of an Answer we hear from Aunt Masha about the next red lines, then the entire General Staff of the RF Armed Forces must write a report on the dismissal due to incompleteness, so to speak...
  6. +10
    3 January 2024 06: 23
    Western countries are also interested in testing their equipment in real conditions

    The F-16 has been in operation since the mid-70s and is supplied to countries too numerous to count. This means that he has been in almost all conflicts and has been tested/retested a hundred times over. Delivery of this aircraft to Ukraine will drag out this conflict as long as possible and exhaust Russia...
    1. +2
      3 January 2024 12: 00
      I’ll also add here that the F-16 is the most popular modern fighter. And the number of spare parts and components for it is a dime a dozen. And the number of weapons that were adapted for him is comparable to a gigantic arsenal!!! From experienced veteran pilots who have flown it, an entire teaching staff of the F-16 pilot training UNIVERSITY can be created. Which in half a year will be able to produce a couple of dozen good pilots!!!
  7. +3
    3 January 2024 06: 52
    I don’t think that our leadership doesn’t know when the F-16 will arrive and where in Ukraine. If not, then our intelligence is worthless. In the world of the Internet, it is impossible to hide anything. And there are enough classical methods of obtaining information.
    Another question is, without the F-16, what problems do we have from Western weapons? These include Hymers, Storm Sadow, long-range artillery, ultra-modern air defense, and latest generation tanks. Plus the army is fiercely attacking and also fiercely defending.
    I am surprised by the announced figures for the supply of weapons to our army, about 300 aircraft and one and a half thousand modern tanks.
    And that no one admits that we will fight with NATO? But in fact we are at war.
    There should be thousands of planes and dozens of tanks. Also, the question is why is our artillery inferior in range to Western artillery? And who is preventing the mass release of the Coalition SV.
    As for our elite, especially the oligarchs, everyone who has accounts and real estate in the West. All of them are under the hood of NATO intelligence services and are knocking on them. Maybe that’s why we are advancing 100-300 meters at the front.
    Maybe it is still necessary to revive the Civil Defense troops with their own weapons with at least short-range air defense. soldier
    1. -6
      3 January 2024 07: 16
      Quote: V.
      I am surprised by the announced figures for the supply of weapons to our army, about 300 aircraft and one and a half thousand modern tanks.
      And that no one admits that we will fight with NATO? But in fact we are at war.
      There should be thousands of planes and dozens of tanks. Also, the question is why is our artillery inferior in range to Western artillery? And who is preventing the mass release of the Coalition SV.

      True words! Go to the factory to make these tanks or to the research institute/design bureau to invent and design new long-range artillery. Well, or to the front to move it kilometers a day
      1. +7
        3 January 2024 07: 37
        At one time I did just that. And he was on combat duty in the Strategic Missile Forces and was engaged in military equipment, and now it’s been years and years. Yes
        1. -4
          3 January 2024 14: 58
          Quote: V.
          At one time I did just that. And he was on combat duty in the Strategic Missile Forces and was engaged in military equipment, and now it’s been years and years.

          Were you also wounded on the Kolchak fronts?
          1. 0
            3 January 2024 15: 15
            This is how Jews from Israel usually tease. Tease your own people, they are now shedding their blood for you. bully
    2. +6
      3 January 2024 12: 08
      And that no one admits that we will fight with NATO? But in fact we are at war.

      No matter how emotional you feel about it. But we are NOT at war with NATO. And we are conducting military operations only with UKRAINE. Which receives some help from NATO countries. But we are NOT fighting with NATO ITSELF.
      Now think about it, if everything with Ukraine has dragged on so long that it’s already been three years, although it only receives aid (which sometimes either comes in very intermittent deliveries, or deliveries are greatly extended into small batches). At the same time learning how to use everything new.
      What will happen if we collide with the NATO BLOC ITSELF????
      The question seems rhetorical to me
      1. -1
        3 January 2024 14: 57
        If you have nothing to do during the holidays, start counting NATO weapons and analyze all the wishes of NATO and its development. This includes Finland, Sweden, etc. And how bogged down NATO is in Ukraine and don’t forget about sanctions. Compare with WWII how it all began.
        Nobody believed, at least in the USSR, that we would fall apart, but that’s how it happened.
        The West continues to press and will continue to press until the end. War with the West is inevitable, I have no emotions in this regard. Absolute counting and calculation and analysis. soldier
  8. Eug
    +1
    3 January 2024 07: 01
    8 downed VKS aircraft in three weeks - is this an “information attack” or reality? The Armed Forces of Ukraine will have everything very thought out and varied - if you use F-16s JOINTLY against air defense systems with HARM, high-mars and long-range artillery, then the rubilovo will not be weak... good luck to ours, God bless them!
    1. +1
      3 January 2024 16: 12
      Quote: Eug
      8 VKS aircraft shot down in three weeks

      Where are the numbers from?

      Actual losses: December 5 (1 aircraft), December 17 (1 aircraft) and December 22 (3 aircraft).
      December 25 is fake, all of our people are back, don’t be fooled.
      Total, from December 1, that is, more than 1 month, shot down 4 planes. I will emphasize separately: shot down. The rook crashed due to weather conditions. (Eternal Memory to the Warrior).


      You should not help the enemy and spread rumors.
  9. +3
    3 January 2024 07: 17
    F-16s will strike soon - we must be prepared

    How can ordinary people be prepared??? Everyone should move to St. Petersburg, because there is a problem there - the “Azerbaijani” mafia rules! in Kazan - also only warm places for “our own” people... should we go to Novosibirsk???
    1. +2
      3 January 2024 07: 31
      Novosibirsk is the scientific and production center of modern Russia in almost all areas. The Academy Town alone is worth it. soldier
  10. 0
    3 January 2024 07: 18
    According to Ukrainian media, over the past three weeks the Ukrainian Armed Forces were able to destroy eight Russian combat aircraft.

    Has the carcass of the elusive and invincible “Kyiv ghost” been dug up again? It's time to release the unwashed type of journalist Tsymbalyuk with T-shirts.
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    1. -5
      3 January 2024 07: 31
      No, the “ghost”, just like Bandera, was not resurrected. There are many cans of tomatoes left from the fall.
  12. 0
    3 January 2024 07: 29
    All this is clear, but what does “transferred” mean? And how will they land for refueling? We have been told for a little over a year that so much is needed to operate these aircraft!!!!! The airfields of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been destroyed! And the use of NATO airfields in Poland and Romania is reducing efficiency of use.
  13. +8
    3 January 2024 07: 45
    Comments to the Newsweek article mention single contrails seen in the skies over Ukraine, which remain only from single-engine aircraft,
    Why publish this nonsense? There is not enough of our own, so they also add imported ones.
    1. +4
      3 January 2024 10: 08
      Why publish this nonsense? There is not enough of our own, so they also add imported ones.

      This is not nonsense - this is Mitrofanovism. It is surprising that with such knowledge in the field of aviation, the author is not yet an “authority”.
      The first photo shows the contrail of a twin-engine F-15 Eagle, and the second photo shows a single-engine F-16 Fighting Falcon.
  14. -3
    3 January 2024 08: 49
    1. Thanks to the author for the article, the topic is topical, 2. I would like to add on my own behalf the F16 can use long-range German Taurus missiles, there are several hundred serviceable missiles in Germany, 3. I don’t understand what to do if the planes are based in Poland and Romania, I consider it unlikely striking these countries.
  15. +7
    3 January 2024 09: 30
    These strikes by the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not so “image-worthy”. The military potential, in particular, the Black Sea Fleet, is being destroyed.
    “According to the British minister, the destruction of the Black Sea Fleet ship “demonstrates that those who believe that the war in Ukraine has reached a dead end are mistaken!”

    "They failed to notice that 4% of Russia's Black Sea fleet has been destroyed in the last 20 months," Shapps wrote in his X."
  16. -5
    3 January 2024 11: 00
    Does the author really believe what he wrote? Operation of the F-16 with suspended RTR containers or operation in tandem with AWACS.
    If the Ukrainian Armed Forces use the F-16, it will most likely be shelling cities or a system of ambushes, but not RTR. This requires knowledge and experience, as well as possession of some GPS codes, which the Ukrainian Armed Forces will never receive.
    1. +2
      3 January 2024 12: 52
      Quote: APASUS
      Does the author really believe what he wrote? Operation of the F-16 with suspended RTR containers or operation in tandem with AWACS.
      If the Ukrainian Armed Forces use the F-16, it will most likely be shelling cities or a system of ambushes, but not RTR. This requires knowledge and experience, as well as possession of some GPS codes, which the Ukrainian Armed Forces will never receive.

      The Armed Forces of Ukraine have been working with Western AWACS and radio reconnaissance systems for a very long time. The fact is that the MiG-29 systems interface very poorly with the HARM PPR, or rather, the network interfaces more than perfectly. In fact, the approximate target location and operating frequency have to be entered into the missile BEFORE the aircraft takes off. Where do you think this data comes from? From NATO radio intelligence, because Ukraine frankly does not have many such capabilities. It’s just that now this interaction occurs through a stump, but with the F-16 it can even be in real time.
      And of course, to use this platform you need knowledge, experience, as well as secret modules that will ensure interaction, BUT why did you decide that the Armed Forces of Ukraine need this? Li Xinov has not yet been canceled. And experienced pilots can be found for a good fee. Over the past 30 years, the United States and the World Bank have quite successfully demonstrated enemy air defenses in the Gulf Wars and during the bombing of Yugoslavia, so there is experience. Moreover, there are also experienced pilots from Israel who regularly endure Syria’s very strong air defense. Most likely they will be at the controls of the F-16.
      1. -4
        3 January 2024 13: 02
        Quote from Escariot
        And experienced pilots may well be found for a good fee

        And I’m leading to this. That for the full use of this aircraft, pilots are needed, and they only have takeoff and landing, and even restrictions on access to certain information. No one in NATO will train Ukrainians to operate in tandem with AWACS.
        1. +3
          3 January 2024 14: 08
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote from Escariot
          And experienced pilots may well be found for a good fee

          And I’m leading to this. That for the full use of this aircraft, pilots are needed, and they only have takeoff and landing, and even restrictions on access to certain information. No one in NATO will train Ukrainians to operate in tandem with AWACS.

          Why won't it happen? The pilot is the most expensive part of the plane, and a Ukrainian pilot is much cheaper than a Western one. So they will train, no matter how much, first as second-line pilots, say, in providing air defense to the west of Ukraine. The Ukrainians, even with the MiG-29, managed to shoot down Shaheds (not always successfully, but nevertheless), and with the F-16 in conjunction with AWACS aircraft circling over Poland and Romania, this is even easier.
          1. 0
            9 January 2024 08: 24
            Quote from Escariot
            Why won't it happen? The pilot is the most expensive part of the plane, and a Ukrainian pilot is much cheaper than a Western one.

            This does not mean that Ukrainians can become a pilot in half a year. Work in tandem with AWACS, a separate training course. Moreover, access to NATO military clearance is required. But the Ukrainian Armed Forces have not yet opened them. That’s why the mercenaries are loading information on 777, loading flight missions to Khimars and others
  17. +2
    3 January 2024 11: 08
    The war is picking up pace. From towed howitzers to self-propelled guns, from tanks and infantry fighting vehicles of Soviet production and Western models. Aviation was no exception. Atomic weapons are not far off.
    1. 0
      4 January 2024 04: 03
      But all that was needed in the first months of the Northern Military District was to crush the reptile, and not to make gestures of goodwill and regrouping. They started the disease
      1. 0
        4 January 2024 22: 24
        Quote: Sibiryak70region
        But all that was needed in the first months of the Northern Military District was to crush the reptile, and not to make gestures of goodwill and regrouping. They started the disease

        All these “regroupings”, “gestures of goodwill” and “difficult decisions” are just a cover for the army’s inability to hold the front line due to the limited material base.
  18. +7
    3 January 2024 13: 49
    We drew and drew red lines, and now we are writing articles about how they will strike soon and we need to be prepared, and of course we will not be ready. Hand face.
  19. +4
    3 January 2024 14: 04
    The author forgot to mention another way to use the F-16, namely as a flying air defense system. In conjunction with NATO AWACS aircraft, these F-16s are able to cover the sky of Zapadenschina from cruise missiles and drones. Moreover, missiles for them are like candy wrappers for a fool.
  20. +4
    3 January 2024 14: 11
    They were promised by 3 countries, Holland, Denmark and Norway, 60-80 pieces. If this goes through right away, then a major action is possible. If in parts, they will attack from ambushes and with leaps. The danger is real.
  21. -8
    3 January 2024 14: 37
    The article is crazy! The author has mixed up all the facts again!
    1) So far there are not even 10 trained F16s with pilots and technicians! Perhaps the project will be closed!
    Half of the F16s being transferred are completely outdated rubbish, which in fact are not suitable for combat operations!
    2) The JASSM-ER missile is a strategic reserve of the American Air Force, no one is going to just hand it over to Ukrainian militants!
  22. -2
    3 January 2024 15: 01
    In addition, NATO countries can get out of it, for example, from bases in Romania or Poland, F-16 fighters will take off unarmed, then make a short landing at Ukrainian airfields - refuel, arm themselves, maybe even change the Polish pilot to a Ukrainian one, and then take off and perform combat work. And that’s it, formally the flights are coming from the territory of Ukraine - we didn’t strike Poland or Germany because they began transporting damaged Ukrainian armored vehicles there for repairs? So the planes - they were fired, a short landing, a change of pilot and to Poland for maintenance - what will we do then?

    So what difference does it make to Poland, whether it flies away or gets lost in the huge Nezalezhnaya airfield network.
    The greatest chance of destroying him will be while he is performing a combat mission. For this, we have everything we need.

    Although the most unpleasant scenario remains theoretically possible, this is when they carry out a massive raid using an atypically large number of missiles.

    sensitive losses of the Russian Air Force using target designation issued by AWACS aircraft

    Far from their AWACS and closer to our radars and AWACS.
    In addition, the radars of the F 16s themselves are inferior to our Su-35s. Missiles are also inferior in range.

    Regarding the possibility of us using the Su-57, which will not enter Ukrainian airspace, the situation is becoming completely hopeless.
    1. 0
      3 January 2024 16: 47
      Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
      Although the most unpleasant scenario remains theoretically possible, this is when they carry out a massive raid using an atypically large number of missiles

      Here it is still possible to use an atypically large and, unfortunately, still unknown to us application new electronic warfare, which Western media often wrote about. It will be more serious than missiles...
  23. +2
    3 January 2024 15: 30
    "F-16s will strike soon" ...
    And the Genius Headquarters is still waiting for the strike?????
    Isn’t it better to solve the Problem so that there is no one and what to inflict these blows on?
    Why, first they will punch us in the face, and only then we will? think?????
    I propose moving the Ingenious Headquarters from Rostov to Donetsk.
    Maybe then they will think before the “blow”????
    "Beating activates Consciousness!!!!"
    1. +1
      3 January 2024 16: 40
      Quote: Ivanov IV
      "F-16s will strike soon" ...
      And the Genius Headquarters is still waiting for the strike?????
      Isn’t it better to solve the Problem so that there is no one and what to inflict these blows on?
      Why, first they will punch us in the face, and only then we will? think?????
      I propose moving the Ingenious Headquarters from Rostov to Donetsk.
      Maybe then they will think before the “blow”????
      "Beating activates Consciousness!!!!"

      What can the General Staff do in principle?
      The General Staff has certain limitations: political (nuclear weapons cannot be used, mobilization cannot be carried out) and logistical (few aircraft, relatively backward equipment, lack of experience in suppressing air defense). Given such restrictions, if Gerasimov was as talented as Napoleon, it would still be very difficult, but Gerasimov is far from Napoleon.
      And of course the General Staff is doing something. Western media lie about the supposedly increased frequency of heavy transport aviation flights from Kaliningrad to Rostov. They say that part of the air defense was taken from Kaliningrad to strengthen Crimea.
    2. 0
      4 January 2024 04: 00
      What does the General Staff have to do with it? Everything is decided at the political top. If they had not tied the hands of the military, they would have ended the saloreich long ago
      1. 0
        4 January 2024 22: 18
        Quote: Sibiryak70region
        What does the General Staff have to do with it? Everything is decided at the political top. If they had not tied the hands of the military, they would have ended the saloreich long ago

        And even here you are wrong. Economics decides. Russia and Ukraine are now spending approximately the same amount of money on air defense (Ukraine, of course, is not theirs, but nevertheless), because of this, neither side has a decisive material advantage in the conventional conflict.
        1. osp
          -2
          6 January 2024 01: 24
          But what kind of device is this marvelous? https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/VVR-M
          Located in Kyiv, at the Institute of Nuclear Research.
          If this device is active, then Ukraine could easily produce weapons-grade fissile materials from it.
          Not on an industrial scale, but enough for several charges.

          Maybe this is precisely why nuclear weapons are not used on it?
          In order not to risk their territory and the population of the same Belgorod.
  24. 0
    3 January 2024 17: 04
    Conversation about nothing. As it is written in Hasek’s book about Schweik, “only due to the fact that he did not have a photographic camera with him, no photographs were found on him.” Dirty in short.
    Well, and one more thing. How can the presence or absence of F16 in Ukraine affect Putin’s next elections???
  25. +1
    3 January 2024 17: 06
    Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
    In addition, NATO countries can get out of it, for example, from bases in Romania or Poland, F-16 fighters will take off unarmed, then make a short landing at Ukrainian airfields - refuel, arm themselves, maybe even change the Polish pilot to a Ukrainian one, and then take off and perform combat work. And that’s it, formally the flights are coming from the territory of Ukraine - we didn’t strike Poland or Germany because they began transporting damaged Ukrainian armored vehicles there for repairs? So the planes - they were fired, a short landing, a change of pilot and to Poland for maintenance - what will we do then?

    So what difference does it make to Poland, whether it flies away or gets lost in the huge Nezalezhnaya airfield network.
    The greatest chance of destroying him will be while he is performing a combat mission. For this, we have everything we need.

    Although the most unpleasant scenario remains theoretically possible, this is when they carry out a massive raid using an atypically large number of missiles.

    sensitive losses of the Russian Air Force using target designation issued by AWACS aircraft

    Far from their AWACS and closer to our radars and AWACS.
    In addition, the radars of the F 16s themselves are inferior to our Su-35s. Missiles are also inferior in range.

    Regarding the possibility of us using the Su-57, which will not enter Ukrainian airspace, the situation is becoming completely hopeless.

    Will you become Konashenkov's deputy? A position just opened up there
  26. 0
    3 January 2024 17: 26
    And what could be better for the enemy than to strike at the height of the New Year holidays?

    Very controversial statement.
  27. -4
    3 January 2024 17: 39
    A warning and then the entire vertical of power in the outskirts was dispersed.
  28. +3
    3 January 2024 20: 33
    I would like to add that I am not aware that the F 16 is integrated with the Scalp/Storm Shadow and Taurus. In terms of size and weight, these missiles are at the limit of what the F16 can carry. However, as the saying goes, “I have seen things that you people cannot even imagine,” so this cannot be ruled out a priori. request
    1. +3
      3 January 2024 20: 47
      The Taurus weighs 1300 kg, the same as the SCALP-EG.

      Gripen are carriers of Taurus.
      Mirage 2000, Rafale are carriers of SCALP-EG.
      This means the F-16 can do it too.
      1. +2
        3 January 2024 21: 30
        You are right. I don’t remember that the scalp could be used from Mirage 2000. Old age is coming. laughing good
        1. +3
          3 January 2024 21: 41
          Yes you can.
          First use from Mirage 2000 was in 2011.
  29. 0
    3 January 2024 23: 10
    The ability of F-16s to take off from a highway will allow them to fly along the highway to the borders and then to the jump airfield. From where they will make a combat sortie. they will be guided by AWACS from Poland. They will be piloted by NATO pilots. DEFINITELY!!!. There will be a tactic of a sudden rush to any direction in July, followed by a departure, a quick descent and again along the highway into the territory of Poland or Romania, at an extremely low altitude of 10-15 meters and each time to a different airfield under the cover of 5 local vehicles. How to counteract? Agents!
    1. 0
      4 January 2024 10: 35
      Quote: volgast1970
      How to resist?

      Promise the Mykols money for every F-16 rammed by a vehicle?
  30. 0
    4 January 2024 03: 56
    If the planes are on the territory of the Saloreich, then my applause to our intelligence. Another outstanding "success"
  31. +1
    4 January 2024 04: 40
    Quote: Ivanov IV
    I propose moving the Ingenious Headquarters from Rostov to Donetsk.

    I suggested this a long time ago. Only also the residence of the President, the Government, the Duma, the Federation Council.
    1. 0
      4 January 2024 10: 33
      Quote: aiden
      I suggested this a long time ago. Only also the residence of the President, the Government, the Duma, the Federation Council.

      Peter once did just that when he recaptured those lands that were under the Swedes.
      Another thing is that in terms of safety, the Urals, Altai, or Krasnoyarsk Territory (in the center somewhere) are better. (you can roam once every 5 years)
      For one thing and an incentive for the development of the regions.
  32. 0
    4 January 2024 08: 33
    I agree with the author of the article 100%!
  33. 0
    4 January 2024 10: 32
    will be directly issued by AWACS aircraft and reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of Western countries

    Accidentally knock them over.
    They fly on the same route.
    Launch a probe with a Needle there or find someone who will tie it there and launch it.
    And you can run around and shout “who did this?!”
  34. -2
    4 January 2024 10: 37
    The use of F-16 fighters with RTR and electronic warfare containers, in combination with AGM-88 HARM-type missile launchers, will pose a threat to Russian air defense systems, primarily near the LBS.


    For this you need F16 block 50/52! And Kyiv seems to be receiving much older versions of fighters!
    1. +2
      4 January 2024 22: 13
      Quote: Rand-76
      The use of F-16 fighters with RTR and electronic warfare containers, in combination with AGM-88 HARM-type missile launchers, will pose a threat to Russian air defense systems, primarily near the LBS.


      For this you need F16 block 50/52! And Kyiv seems to be receiving much older versions of fighters!

      How were the Jews in the F-16B able to hack Syria's air defense? After all, the Zionists did not have Bloc 50/52 back then.
      1. 0
        11 January 2024 08: 56
        Escariot
        Jews had high qualifications, unlike dropouts 404
  35. +1
    4 January 2024 11: 34
    As it turned out, there are types of weapons for which the lag cannot be compensated for, even if there are advantages in other types of weapons. For example, all our fighters have not one engine, but two. Or we have the longest-range air defense missiles. But this still does not compensate for the shortage of long-range detection equipment.
  36. -1
    4 January 2024 13: 53
    I have already made a proposal to bomb all cement producing factories, including all airfields. If there is no cement, they will not be able to build shelters either.
    In general, let me think, otherwise some kind of rocket will then reach the main headquarters in Rostov if the Taurus are handed over to them or they fly closer
    Ukraine makes fortifications from cement, all of which we cannot pass
    Concrete can harden within a day
  37. +2
    4 January 2024 19: 21
    Firstly, the state itself is creating the mischief with all these “everything is going according to plan”, and secondly, how are you going to detect the planes? And thirdly, you should not wait for the enemy to strike, but strike first and solve problems in advance, how? - ask those who started 24.02/XNUMX
    1. 0
      7 January 2024 21: 00
      Do you doubt the adequacy of management? What about gestures of goodwill? What about the fact that the troops are not prepared for a protracted war? And “not mobilization”? This is a clear plan
      1. -2
        11 January 2024 01: 08
        nicu maican
        I doubt the adequacy of the author of this opus
  38. +1
    5 January 2024 01: 15
    So the planes - they were fired, a short landing, a change of pilot and to Poland for maintenance - what will we do then?
    crying Are there any doubts? It’s like we were born yesterday, by God!
  39. +1
    7 January 2024 20: 58
    Or maybe this is the plan - studying NATO technology in real conditions? How else can we explain the constant empty threats and pink-brown lines from the Russian leadership?))
  40. 0
    8 January 2024 13: 46
    Russian space forces must control all military airfields of the European coalition, and as soon as their military aircraft crosses the border of Ukraine and enters hostilities on the side of Ukraine, European take-off airfields must be immediately destroyed! this should be declared to the European military group conducting military operations together with Ukrainian-fascist terrorists!
  41. +1
    8 January 2024 20: 27
    “Yes, F-16 fighters will not be able to turn the tide of the Northern Military District in favor of Ukraine, but with their help it is possible to inflict very unpleasant losses on the Russian Armed Forces - this threat cannot be treated with the usual “hat-kicking” attitude of a significant part of our society.
    You'll get it all wrong. There's even a toilet there.
    Oh, wasn’t I personally expressing concerns and similar concerns at least six months ago? crying
    1. 0
      11 January 2024 01: 06
      petrol cutter
      Any FLYING aircraft supplied from the West can cause damage - from this point of view, there is almost no difference between the worn-out Bulgarian MiG-29s and the slightly less worn-out Danish F-16s. Well, techies will have less hemorrhoids when suspending Western missiles. So, the situation does not change qualitatively. As they burn Leopedra, so they will shoot down F-16s
  42. 0
    11 January 2024 01: 01
    Once again another author has done something weird. The all-go-getter again. In fact, the author's script is not working.
    1. Any aircraft taking off from the airfield of the nearest NATO country and crossing border 404 can be detected by our air defense. The F-16 will be identified unambiguously, but no radar will determine whether it is armed or not. It is difficult to say what reaction our command will have. So forget about the jumping nonsense
    2.About AMRAAM missiles. The range of our radars and our missiles is higher; to implement this option (and any air combat on the F-16), highly qualified pilots are needed. This is definitely not ukry. If only there will be mercenaries - "vacationers" - "retirees". There are many F-16 pilots in the world.
    3.About HARM missiles. This rocket, in principle, doesn’t give a damn what plane it was launched from. The main thing is that its seeker captures the radiation source.
    So I suggest the author keep all these fantasies to himself, the only advantage of the F-16 will be their less wear and tear than all Ukroppelats (and that’s not a fact))))
    So, the appearance of single F-16s will not change anything. Only the appearance of entire squadrons with experienced NATO pilots and accompanying infrastructure, i.e., actually NATO air bases in 404, can have an impact, but this is unlikely
  43. +3
    11 January 2024 09: 16
    Neither the author nor the commentators are aware that

    On the night of November 2, two trucks carrying two dismantled American F-16 fighters entered Ukraine from Poland. There are now five aircraft of this type in Ukraine.

    As I said, the planes were delivered disassembled, on civilian transport. No Bond movie with shuttle flights from NATO countries and “jump airfields”. It is likely that it is planned to use airplanes that have already exhausted their resources for a one-time use
  44. -1
    12 January 2024 09: 57
    "They'll strike soon..."
    Author, why isn’t the question raised, how can this happen???? And who from the Genius Staff is responsible for this? And will he “answer”?
    Well, what if “tomorrow” Ukrainians deliver missiles with nuclear weapons in their suitcases?????
    Will you also call to PREPARE????
    Why should the PEOPLE prepare?
    Where are those “hucksters” at the Genius Headquarters???? What the hell are they doing there, or rather sitting there???
  45. 0
    25 March 2024 14: 09
    Dear Andrey Mitrofanov! The “ending” of your note is straight “not in the eye, but in the eye”, regarding various Russian “red lines”, which supposedly cannot be allowed to be crossed by the enemy.... Patriotic, even fascinating.... Although, the enemy, He hasn’t looked at our “red lines” for a long time... Why? We have learned, over the long 30 years, that behind our words and “lines, of all colors and shades, there are only words, words and “concerns,” Minister S.V. Lavrov, on all international “corners” and from the stands... And the modern the world, Europe, in particular, have long ceased to understand words and respect good deeds... And the world respects only those whose words are confirmed by decisive and inevitable actions, in the form of brute force or serious economic sanctions... Until then, we we have what we deserve... And the F-16s are “quietly” and in parts, probably delivered to Ukroreich from the same Rzeszow (Poland), or from Romania and “very successful” bloody terrorist attacks are organized in the Russian capital.. War requires different approaches, ideology, tactics and strategy if we must win this war... Modern war, and any war, does not, by definition, require “white gloves” and calls “I’m coming to you!” ..... Something like this...