Serial microwave rifles enter the troops

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Serial microwave rifles enter the troops
Microwave rifle chambered for 7,62x54 mm R


The Kalashnikov Concern has launched mass production of the latest microwave sniper rifles and is beginning to supply such products to the customer. First batch of promising weapons manufactured, passed the necessary tests and accepted by the defense department. In the near future, these rifles will end up in combat units of the Russian army, and they will be followed by products from new batches. Over time, such supplies will ensure the rearmament of snipers and give them all the necessary capabilities.



From project to series


The development of a promising sniper rifle, now known as the microwave, started in 2016 and was carried out under the leadership of A.Yu. Chukavina. Already in 2017, the finished sample was first shown to specialists and the public at the Army forum. By that time, the rifle had entered factory testing and demonstrated its capabilities.

The refinement and fine-tuning of the new model was carried out with the participation of specialists from the Ministry of Defense and took several years. In 2020-21 The rifle was submitted for state testing. In October 2021, it became known about the completion of this stage of work and about preparations for the future adoption of the rifle for service, the launch of mass production, etc.

A certain number of microwave products were transferred to sniper units of the Russian army for trial operation and collection of feedback. According to known data, a variant of the rifle chambered for 7,62x54 mm R was used. Since last year, such weapons have been used as part of the Special Operation for the Defense of Donbass. Operation in real combat conditions helped to collect valuable information for further improvement of the design.


In February 2023, the management of the Kalashnikov concern announced that the microwave project was entering the stage of preparation for mass production. One of the enterprise's sites in Izhevsk began to be prepared for the full-scale production of new weapons. According to various estimates, it took at least several months to launch the series.

The success of the Kalashnikov designers did not go unnoticed. In March 2023, by presidential decree, the head of the sniper weapons design bureau of the Design and Technology Center of the Kalashnikov concern A.Yu. Chukavin was awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky.

In May, the development concern announced the start of deliveries of rifles to the customer. Details of an organizational nature and the affiliation of weapons to particular parties were not specified. It also became known about the preparation of a decree of the Russian government, by which the microwave product will be adopted by the army.

Finally, on December 26, the Kalashnikov concern published news, which had been expected since 2016. The weapons production division produced the first production batch of new rifles. It successfully passed military acceptance and was shipped to the customer. Accordingly, in the near future, serial microwaves will be supplied to units of the Russian army and will go into full operation.


Plans for the future


At the end of May, Kalashnikov held a large presentation of modern models of small arms. During this event, they not only showed the latest developments in their serial form, incl. microwave rifle, but also revealed some plans for the future. For obvious reasons, they did not name exact dates and numbers, but in general they gave reasons for optimism.

It was reported that in the current year 2023, the production rate of new sniper rifles will gradually increase. Compared to the previous year, production volumes were going to increase tenfold. For the next 2024, a new growth in volumes and reaching a serial rate that meets customer requirements is planned. However, the exact figures remained unknown due to the sensitivity of the topic.

The developer of the new rifle, A. Chukavin, noted that launching and setting up mass production is a rather complex process. In turn, an established production line can be loaded at different rates, incl. increase output in accordance with customer requirements.

Previously, it was repeatedly reported that the microwave rifle was being created as a modern replacement for the well-deserved, but aging SVD. In the foreseeable future, the new model will gradually replace existing weapons, which should have a positive impact on the combat capabilities of snipers. At the same time, the Ministry of Defense and Kalashnikov have not yet clarified whether a complete transition to the Chukavin rifle is planned, and how long the planned rearmament may take.


Modification with a short barrel

Technical potential


The SHF product is a self-loading sniper rifle for infantry snipers, designed to destroy enemy personnel and unprotected materiel at distances of up to 1000-1200 m. During its development, the operating experience of the existing SVD rifle and the wishes of future users were taken into account. In addition, to expand the technical and commercial potential, three modifications of the rifle were created for different ammunition of domestic and foreign types.

To obtain maximum technical and combat characteristics, the rifle is built according to the so-called. curtain pattern. The barrel and bolt group are placed in the upper part of the receiver with a U-shaped cross-section. At the bottom it is supplemented with a cover on which parts of the trigger mechanism are mounted. The upper part of the box takes on all the loads and has appropriate strength, while the entire lower unit is made lightweight.

The rifle received automation based on the removal of powder gases with a short piston stroke. The energy of the gases is transferred to the bolt frame, which carries a rotating bolt with three lugs. The system is equipped with a gas regulator, which ensures reliable operation of the automation in any conditions. The type of firing mechanism was not reported; Probably, the trigger design, traditional for such weapons, is used. The controls are standard - the trigger and safety flags on both sides of the weapon. The trigger has a mechanism for adjusting the trigger force.

The serial microwave for the Russian army uses the 7,62x54 mm R cartridge. Ammunition is fed from a 10-place box magazine borrowed from the SVD. Modifications of the rifle have also been developed for the 7,62x51 mm NATO and .338 Lapua Magnum cartridges. They use specially designed magazines of other dimensions, other barrels and bolts.


Microwave chambered for .338 LM

The upper part of the receiver has a full-length Picatinny rail on which sighting devices can be mounted. A short bar is also located on the forend under the barrel. The rifle is equipped with a folding telescopic buttstock with an adjustable cheekpiece.

Both 7,62 mm modifications of the Chukavin rifle have a length of at least 940 mm (depending on the position of the butt) with a barrel length of up to 620 mm (81 klb). The weight of the product without cartridges and sight is 4,8 kg. The microwave version chambered for .338 LM is larger and heavier than the base product due to the use of more durable parts that correspond to a different load level.

The microwave sighting range is stated to be 1000-1200 m. Due to the technical solutions of the rifle itself, sighting devices and the cartridge used, high accuracy is achieved. Fire accuracy is up to 1 MOA. At a distance of 100 m, dispersion does not exceed 30 mm. In terms of accuracy, the new weapon is 25-30 percent. superior to the SVD product.

New era


The current main sniper rifle of the Russian army, the SVD, was put into service back in 1963. At that time, it was the most advanced example of its class, created using advanced solutions. Over the past decades, new experience has been accumulated and other technologies and materials have been created, on the basis of which a modern microwave rifle has now been developed. Its creators managed to obtain a serious increase in the main characteristics, as well as create a foundation for further development.

To date, the new domestic rifle has reached mass production. Full deliveries to the troops are beginning, followed by the replacement of old weapons. In fact, right now in stories A new era begins for domestic small arms for snipers. Whether the new microwave will be able to repeat the successes of the previous SVD, time will tell - and this may take decades.
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  1. +9
    28 December 2023 04: 33
    It will take a long time to replace, the SVD is the most common sniper weapon in the world. In addition, small arms are the most conservative type of weapons. On the other hand, it is necessary to update sniper weapons. Microwaves have smaller mass and dimensions, and accuracy is 25% higher. And these sniper rifles use the same cartridge. So, the replacement process will be painless. Good luck to our gunsmiths and the guys who will operate the microwave! hi
    1. +4
      28 December 2023 04: 54
      Quote: Proxima
      It will take a long time to replace, the SVD is the most common sniper weapon in the world.

      But all over the world we don’t even need to saturate our army, and let’s see how it goes.
    2. +6
      28 December 2023 09: 04
      The article does not specify the full name of the constructor.
      Became interesting.
      What he looks like too.

      Chukavin Andrey Yurievich
      Rocker of the sniper weapons design bureau of JSC Concern Kalashnikov

      From an interview with the designer (TASS):
      We started working on the rifle in 2016 with the creation of a hunting carbine in .308 Win caliber. (7,62x51 mm).
      The idea was to develop a new weapon design.
      It was easier to make a carbine, so they started making it.
      1. +2
        28 December 2023 11: 50
        Quote: Mister X
        КHead of the sniper weapons design bureau of Kalashnikov Concern JSC

        Rocked it so rocked it lol
        Yes, a lot of things were created on the basis and ideas of hunting/sports... for example, one of the first swallows SV-98, etc. by the list.
        1. +1
          28 December 2023 22: 05
          Quote from Enceladus
          Rocked it so rocked it

          I can't see well, especially in the morning
          1. +1
            28 December 2023 22: 18
            Yes, we are also Rockers here... especially me. Yes, I’m not strong in other topics, but shooting (not historical) is for me and I actually have experience at the 5th point. We've already produced a lot here --- rake it up drinks True, alas... for about 7 years after demobilization I held myself together, then something happened... and somehow I scored, even in 14 I handed in my award... because I was about to get a slightly accidental shot while cleaning and lubricating... when no lubrication crying
            ZY, The last time I shot seriously at 300 meters was in 13... yes, the guys were teasing, but I became a Wasserman... and now it’s all gone wrong... less than a month left... 2 weeks to decide. While the instructor...
    3. 0
      28 December 2023 10: 33
      Microwaves have smaller mass and dimensions, and accuracy is 25% higher.

      Which microwave of the three? Did you conduct the tests yourself? Or do you believe what is written?
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    4. AAK
      0
      28 December 2023 12: 08
      Work since 2016, millions of people's money spent and the result is a variant of a hunting carbine - this wunderwaffe does not have the same range and accuracy as the SV with a bolt action, and in terms of operation in combat conditions it is inferior to the same “mother” SVD, there are only 4 mounting pins when disassembling the rifle, what are they worth, plus the gas control mechanism - it actually somehow reminded “Svetka” of the Second World War.... all the pluses - a new stock, a lightweight fore-end and a better sight... and for this “upgrade” also medals give....
    5. +3
      28 December 2023 12: 10
      Reducing weight for sniper weapons is not always a good thing, just like yoghurts. For Marxman - well, +-. For example, for me, an SVU, which weighs more than 5 kg, is more convenient than an SVD + taking into account the direct recoil vector (which is also implemented in the microwave)
      1. +1
        4 March 2024 15: 02
        Quote from Enceladus
        For example, an IED that weighs more than 5 kg is more convenient for me

        Great comment. An infantryman's PKM is a thing that shoots somewhere, and a PKT mounted on an infantry fighting vehicle or a tank is almost a sniper weapon. The platform matters a lot.
        1. 0
          4 March 2024 15: 11
          Did I understand the irony correctly? Or is this banter? recourse lol hi Greetings colleague to the light drinks
          1. +2
            4 March 2024 15: 13
            Quote from Enceladus
            Did I understand the irony correctly? Or is this banter? recourse lol hi Greetings colleague to the light drinks

            No, it’s not ironic, who would demand that a PKM crew with optics be guaranteed to put 3 bullets on a target at 800 m? And in armored vehicles it’s a standard exercise.
            1. +1
              4 March 2024 15: 16
              Well, yes... take the same KVPT... YES it is problematic, but it allows you to keep at a distance... or nsv... The latter has generally received recognition as a sniper. Sometimes the tape more than compensates for preparing a counter-sniper's shot good
  2. +5
    28 December 2023 06: 38
    Sooner or later, new weapons with improved characteristics will replace those that have proven themselves and have been used for decades. This process is inevitable and must be approached calmly. And the SVD will still serve for several years, because... The rearmament process will take more than one year.
    1. +2
      28 December 2023 08: 11
      I would like to know an opinion about it from a professional, here it is on VO Enceladus, his comment would be useful.
      1. +7
        28 December 2023 12: 07
        Greetings Sergey! hi
        Quote: Aviator_
        I would like to know an opinion about it from a professional
        lol Thank you for your trust and rating! drinks

        As for the microwave, unfortunately there is no way to hold the candle and feel it yet.
        I can say purely theoretically.
        1. The main problem of the AK/SVD platform for sniping is known - here they followed the AR-15 scheme, dividing it into upper and lower. This makes it possible to achieve rigidity of the entire structure. This is definitely a plus. Repeatability of shots, incl. when removing the sight and reinstalling it.
        2. According to the KSVK, I will also say the SVU - the line of the butt on the same level with the barrel is a HUGE plus, it greatly reduces the weapon’s drift from the aiming line and, if necessary, make a second shot (for CC this is of course not so critical).
        3. Stated 3.44 MIL = 1 MOA, which is good... actually the stated range is 1200 meters, but I’m not sure if we are talking about 7N1/.M118LR (.308), perhaps about .338 LM. 1MOA is an infant at 1200 meters. A.308 and 7.62x54R I won’t tell you the exact numbers offhand, but at 900-100 meters the bullet already goes to subsonic... and then it’s terver. derivation takes its toll; a pointed bullet at subsonic levels already has a different BC. In general, most likely we are talking about LM.

        For the rest I don’t have any information yet. For rifling, barrel processing, etc. nuances, which also greatly influences shooting accuracy. Well, I think it will obviously be better, the main thing is that they don’t exchange sewing for soap. good
        1. +2
          28 December 2023 12: 54
          Quote from Enceladus
          here we went according to the AR-15 scheme, dividing into upper and lower. This allows us to achieve rigidity of the entire structure.

          Cough cough. That is, I wasn’t the only one who thought, “Oops, Kalashnikov ARs started sharpening, not even 100 years have passed.”

          How can a Soviet rifle patriot continue to live now? And why?
          Quote from Enceladus
          Claimed 3.44 MIL = 1 MOA

          Gross machine gun cartridge.
          Quote from Enceladus
          1200 meters, but I’m not sure if we are talking about 7N1/ .M118LR (.308), perhaps about .338 LM

          To be honest, I didn’t understand this place at all. 1200 is the range of a specific cartridge, .300 VinMag. Or something new, some 6,5-284. Neither .308, nor especially 7N1 fly there. For the .338, on the contrary, it is not enough; it is supposed to fly a mile. I assume that the figure is indicated for 54R and this is a common fraud.
          1. +4
            28 December 2023 13: 02
            Quote: Negro
            How can a Soviet rifle patriot continue to live now? And why?
            Somewhere, Brandon Herrera was crying. laughing By the way, right now he is sawing a .50 BMG rifle according to the AK pattern good lol
            Quote: Negro

            Quote from Enceladus
            Claimed 3.44 MIL = 1 MOA

            Gross machine gun cartridge.

            But it’s not clear... the stated range+ clearly corresponds to .338LM. 7,62 go at such a range to subsonic with all the attendant
            I think the accuracy is the same for him.
            Quote: Negro
            I assume that the figure is indicated for 54R and this is a common fraud

            Well, in general, this is what I meant, that mosquitoes powder. laughing
            I shot from the SVD at a little more than 1000 meters, but this is from the evil one and at the training ground in ideal conditions. But for .338 it’s absolutely nothing
            1. 0
              28 December 2023 13: 22
              Quote from Enceladus
              shot from the SVD at a little more than 1000 meters, but this is from the evil one

              Cough cough. There is no need to think too much here, everything was invented a long time ago. The range of the system (mainly the cartridge) in combat conditions is the supersonic range. Beyond this range, circus acts begin, not work.
              Quote from Enceladus
              for .338 it’s generally “nothing”

              Nowadays, for a thousand yards, white gentlemen use all sorts of 6,5 variants more. It takes out .300 by itself, and even the most stubborn .308 variants. There is no need to carry heavy loads anymore. But in the article it’s not 1000, but 1200 meters. This is clearly no longer .308.

              In general, LM was more popular 20 years ago. Nowadays, overheated .300WM with all sorts of solidly turned bullets are pulled up to 1300+ meters, and LMs are used much less often.
              1. +3
                28 December 2023 13: 29
                Quote: Negro
                There is no need to think too much here, everything was invented a long time ago. The range of the system (mainly the cartridge) in combat conditions is the supersonic range. Beyond this range, circus acts begin, not work.

                I have already written about this before in other topics. The effective firing range is usually 80-90% of the transition to subsonic. Those. a pointed bullet at a subsonic level is just like that + derivation affects it. it just starts to tip over, because... The shoulder is large and the weather forecast is the same as predicting. But the wounds upon impact are very terrible, especially for heavy bullets, and it won’t even seem light, despite the relatively low energy.
                Quote: Negro
                But in the article it’s not 1000, but 1200 meters. This is clearly no longer .308.

                Well, let’s repeat it for the 3rd time, I wrote about this, that 7.62 of almost all the main cartridges is already subsonic at 900, max. 1000 meters.
                Quote: Negro
                In general, LM was more popular 20 years ago

                And don’t tell me, I received one of these (in my armor) - I shit myself on my collarbone and 2 ribs. Just in the 2000s there was a boom of this caliber.
                1. 0
                  28 December 2023 13: 47
                  Quote from Enceladus
                  especially for heavy bullets,

                  Heaviness is good. Heaviness is reliable. Even if it doesn’t shoot, you can always hit him on the head.

                  In general, this is nonsense. It is not the work of a sniper that is described, but the work of a machine gunner with optics. The sniper’s task is not only to hit the figure, preferably the head one, but also not to hit the neighboring one - at subsonic levels such a task is not only impossible to guarantee, it cannot be set.
                  Yes, if some .338 hits at 2,5 kilometers it will be a bop. But in general, you need to take the mortar and not be a fool.
                  Quote from Enceladus
                  I wrote about this that 7.62 almost all main cartridges are already subsonic at 900, max. 1000 meters.

                  I kind of understand. They write that the maximum known combat shot with the M118LR cartridge is 1250 meters. I think when they were putting together the press release, they also googled something like “maximum range of the cartridge 7,62” and wrote that. The current Kalashnikov is so unique.
                  Quote from Enceladus
                  So I dare to disappoint you

                  It was sarcasm. I feel some irritation at the way Russian rifle manufacturers indicate accuracy for the MK316 cartridge.
          2. +2
            28 December 2023 13: 19
            Quote: Negro
            Gross machine gun cartridge

            No, I already wrote in the news earlier. There is an older SVD, from the first releases, with long rifling - it is designed to use a shaft. Range no more than 600 meters. Then it was modified, the barrel and chamber (in particular shorter rifling) were chambered for the 7N1 cartridge and it was intended only for them. You can shoot with a shaft, but:
            1. There is increased wear of the barrel and rifling
            2. Accuracy as a term does not make sense - accuracy is from 2,5 moa and above... i.e. real ranges are 300-400 meters.
            So I dare to disappoint you, there is no talk of firing a bulk machine gun cartridge from the microwave! You need a shaft - a mosquito in your hands and go, or the first issue of SVD (but you won’t find them during the day - they’ve been around for a long time, if there are any left, they’ve gone to re-barrel)
        2. 0
          28 December 2023 18: 20
          Thank you, Alexey! It’s clear that it’s impossible to operate the SVD forever, after all, she’s an old lady in 1963, she’s already 60 years old, it’s time to retire. New developments are needed. Huge respect for your analysis of the issue.
          1. +4
            28 December 2023 18: 37
            Mutually respect, Sergey! You're welcome drinks soldier
            There are SVD reserves... if there is a shortage of company commanders, they can be issued to shooters whose skills are above average... even without courses and other things (camouflage skills, selection of positions, etc.) - SVD is as close as possible to the conditions and, let's say, the front of a general military battle .... Microwave is more likely for more trained shooters, perhaps who not only already have combat experience, but also those who have completed additional training. courses or was already in training for sniping, i.e. generally familiar with the topic. I’m not sure that this is exactly a replacement - rather an additional niche from 700 to 1000 meters, with .338 with our quality of cartridges and 1200, and if with specialization, then further.
            I myself learned and went along the sniping line because my grandfather was a hunter and sniper in the Patriotic War... I have been with weapons since childhood. For you, a rifle is like a wife - and as you know, a man will always get from a woman everything she wants! drinks good
        3. +1
          28 February 2024 00: 28
          Quote from Enceladus
          The actual declared range is 1200 meters, but I’m not sure if we are talking about 7N1/ .M118LR (.308), perhaps about .338 LM.

          As far as I know, development of the .338 version was suspended a year ago. It (.338) was tested at 1200m, but they said it could go further. It's just that Kalashnikov has 1200 m - the maximum range at the training ground.
          As for 7,62x54, you've probably heard about successful sniper shots at 1300+ in Afghanistan. hi
          1. +1
            28 February 2024 00: 34
            Quote: Alex777
            It (.338) was tested at 1200, but they said it could go further

            Um, it’s as if 338LM is stated at 2 km (they have it) and our Orsis are also quite good at this range (well, of course, with longitudinal sliding). But, alas, I can’t tell you the ballistics offhand... I’ll have to scour
            1. +1
              28 February 2024 00: 43
              Quote from Enceladus
              But, alas, I can’t tell you the ballistics offhand... I’ll have to scour

              It's unlikely we'll find it. We suspended the microwave in .338. It's a pity.
              According to rumors, the reason is that it was not possible to unify as originally planned.
              Perhaps they will re-enter, but have not heard about it yet.
              1. +1
                28 February 2024 00: 45
                Yes, with our quality, .338 is an inherently bad idea. But no one needs it for export. Don't spoil your pot there. If longitudinally sliding jams (undersupply, overcharging, etc.), then what can we say about self-charging. negative
                1. +1
                  28 February 2024 00: 47
                  Quote from Enceladus
                  Yes, with our quality, .338 is an inherently bad idea. But no one needs it for export. Don't spoil your pot there. If longitudinally sliding jams (undersupply, overcharging, etc.), then what can we say about self-charging. negative

                  100500% yes.
          2. +1
            28 February 2024 00: 51
            Quote: Alex777
            As for 7,62x54, you've probably heard about successful sniper shots at 1300+ in Afghanistan

            My farthest is almost 1100 meters. And you just answered the question yourself. Successful. The 7N1 bullet goes subsonic already at 900 meters at a temperature of +25 (at minus 800)... derivation and the fact that the bullet is pointed and is not intended for subsonic in any way makes the shot absolutely unpredictable. Only ideal conditions, bulk + reloading or at least reconciliation shot at such a range. But a company sniper does not deal with such nonsense - he has no skills. This is only taught in sniper training. An ordinary company soldier is simply the best shooter at the platoon level without special training and walks with his platoon/company in firing order and is intended for reinforcement at a distance of usually 400-600 meters... less often up to 800.
            Afghanistan is mostly mountainous. It was mainly used in Tajikistan in the “secret war”.
            1. +1
              28 February 2024 01: 07
              Quote from Enceladus
              Only ideal conditions, bulk + reloading or at least reconciliation shot at such a range. But a company sniper does not deal with such nonsense - he has no skills. This is only taught in sniper training.

              It goes without saying that the best professionals. Everything is as you said.

              Quote from Enceladus
              Afghanistan is mostly mountainous.

              Therefore, I had to get creative.
              I remembered this only because I hope it will be easier with the microwave.
              Many years ago I read an article by one “goose” in Soldier of Fortune.
              The point of the article was that the quality of our cartridges is the main enemy of accurate shooting at any distance. The AK 5,56 with Belgian cartridges surprised him with its accuracy.
              Therefore, the idea of ​​the 6,02x41 cartridge seemed interesting to me, if they immediately began to make it as expected. There is already a microwave for it. hi
              1. +1
                28 February 2024 01: 14
                So for more than a century this has been our headache.
                Quote: Alex777
                The point of the article was that the quality of our cartridges is the main enemy of accurate shooting at any distance

                Quote: Alex777
                Therefore, the idea of ​​the 6,02x41 cartridge

                So initially 5,45 was not 39, but 41. Due to technological processes, it turned out to be 39
              2. 0
                4 March 2024 15: 10
                Quote: Alex777
                Therefore, the idea of ​​the 6,02x41 cartridge seemed interesting to me, if they immediately began to make it as expected.

                Why would we improve our quality standards? Here you need to control the weight and geometry of the bullet, the weight of gunpowder and its characteristics, and much more. And this is a different purchase price. Our MO would rather save another 1 ruble per cartridge. It will cost not 25, but 24 rubles, and the next general will receive a promotion for saving money.
                1. 0
                  4 March 2024 15: 19
                  The crookedness of the cartridges was explained by existing technical processes and tolerances. And there was no clear request for quality. But there was quantity. Now, the understanding of what is needed has changed somewhat.
                  There has been a lot of talk about the rearmament of the military-industrial complex over the past few years. From here I have a very timid hope.
                  My general approach is this: the glass is half full. wink
                  1. +1
                    4 March 2024 15: 23
                    Quote: Alex777
                    From here I have a very timid hope.

                    It remains to personally motivate the people who make such decisions, who say that most shots are made from a distance of 300-400 m, and there is no better way for such an action. And the fact that the quality of cartridges for sniper shooting forces snipers and machine gunners on the other side to stay away, and their effectiveness drops significantly, is not taken into account. Lost profits are an incredibly difficult thing for the weak-minded. By the way, the video about Lobaev’s rifles with domestic cartridges says that it is simply impossible to use them - the rifle jams.
                    1. -1
                      4 March 2024 15: 49
                      As far as I know, the .308 LM is used as a hunting rifle. And who was interested in their quality before the war?
                      GDP tries to get information from everywhere.
                      Several years ago, I was very surprised by his statement that drones are not our choice. I don’t think he forgot who advised him to say this. Against the background of the allocation of trillion. on a UAV.
                      If the Moscow Region doesn’t order something, then it won’t exist.
                      Before the war, our rifle developers were not interested in him.
                      But war changes a lot in assessments of what is important and what is not so important. And not only with UAVs.
                      So we'll see what changes in March-April.
                    2. 0
                      6 March 2024 00: 36
                      Quote: goose
                      By the way, the video about Lobaev’s rifles with domestic cartridges says that it is simply impossible to use them - the rifle jams.
                      So, maybe it’s not the cartridges, but the rifle?
          3. +1
            28 February 2024 00: 58
            It won't let me edit the comment...

            The SVU rifle from the sample gave less than 1MOA - STP50 was somewhere at the level of 0.76, STP75 0.85-0.9. But this is with reconciliation 7N1. But she didn’t shoot for long... less than 300 shots. Then the barrel began to “burn out” on the chamber side and there was a wild spread vertically due to the speed variation.
  3. -3
    28 December 2023 07: 27
    You look at her and you’ve already seen everything somewhere. Well, we should have developed something of our own, original, because there are plenty of more effective schemes, no, everything was copied mainly from Amer’s ideas. The Unified State Exam generation got down to business, it’s strange that they haven’t called it something else yet, otherwise it’s fashionable to write all the names in English.
    1. +1
      28 December 2023 08: 06
      "The Unified State Exam generation got down to business...
      You're kind of strange. I’m also not delighted with the current mediocrity, but here we must be happy. 25-30% accuracy is better than SVD!
      1. +3
        28 December 2023 09: 44
        Quote: steel maker
        "The Unified State Exam generation got down to business...
        You're kind of strange. I’m also not delighted with the current mediocrity, but here we must be happy. 25-30% accuracy is better than SVD!

        Well, the question is, is this so? For example, a modernized SVD (I don’t mean an SVDM, but a privately modernized one with a new forend that unloads the barrel with a new handle and the butt slightly raised in relation to the axis of the barrel) showed 0.75 moa!!! So why would a new model be created from scratch if the modernized old system is BETTER in terms of parameters? Of course, developing a microwave for the Lapua Magnum is a different matter. There, the cartridge itself allows you to shoot further and more accurately. But will the factories be able to launch the production of the Lapua magnum cartridge in sufficient quantity and QUALITY? This is another calico. hi
        1. +1
          28 December 2023 10: 33
          An old SVD with a Hansa body kit... According to reviews, a high-quality cartridge takes the same half a minute
          1. +1
            28 December 2023 11: 58
            The problem with the SVD (as well as the AK) is that it is impossible to properly install optical-electronic gadgets and a can, and without this, the “oar” is useless in modern warfare. The collective farm as in the photo, on cogs/screws/blue electrical tape - doesn’t really help, but it increases the weight to the point of impossibility, and the new rifle has a full-fledged integrated long rail from the factory, everything will fit.
            But the main thing is high-quality ammunition, it’s difficult to deal with them.
            1. +1
              28 December 2023 13: 01
              Come on - collective farm! It has a milled aluminum structure, which is very decent. If you are curious, you can look at the topic.. https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/2/1723231.html
              1. 0
                28 December 2023 14: 34
                Why should I watch it? The author and manufacturer of this body kit once fitted me with a stock for Magnum Research. drinks
            2. +2
              28 December 2023 13: 22
              Quote: hhurik
              The problem with the SVD (as well as the AK) is that it is impossible to properly install optical-electronic gadgets and a can, and without this, the “oar” is useless in modern warfare. The collective farm as in the photo, on cogs/screws/blue electrical tape - doesn’t really help, but it increases the weight to the point of impossibility, and the new rifle has a full-fledged integrated long rail from the factory, everything will fit.
              But the main thing is high-quality ammunition, it’s difficult to deal with them.

              Who told you that an oar, even with PSO, is worthless? It works quite well up to 600-800 meters. After all, this is an INFANTRY rifleman's rifle. He rarely has to shoot beyond 800 meters. BUT the problem is the PRICE!!! Modernization of SVD (in general, VERY competently done) costs between 70 and 000 rubles!!! How much a microwave costs is still unclear. But it’s unlikely less than 100, most likely an order of magnitude if not two more!!! And the modernization of SVD is so expensive because it is LOW-BATCH production!!! If there is a large series, the price will decrease at least a couple of times. The point is not the smaller weight of the microwave or the obsolescence of the SVD, but mainly the cost savings. Microwave is much more expensive than upgrading SVD with essentially the SAME TTD!!! And where is the benefit of the state!!! The benefit of the concern is immediately visible!!!! As I said above, delivery to the microwave shaft on a Lapua Magnum is a different matter. Then infantry Vanya with microwave could confidently hit targets at distances of up to 000-150m. Of course, not everyone (there’s nothing you can do about it, not everyone is suitable for shooting at long distances, and even a ballistics computer is needed, although its role is a regular cell phone with software will work). BUT where are the lapua magnum cartridges???
              1. +1
                28 December 2023 14: 58
                You also forgot to mention the SVM stsukoblaster, as well as the benefits of tarpaulin and foot wraps on a global scale. wink It would be funny if it did not concern the life and health of specific people. Do you yourself, the opornik with Mosinka and Nagant, prefer to storm, purely out of economy, or would you prefer something adequate to time and space? And what will you cover your carcass with, an ancestor of a sewer manhole in a bag with a hole for the head or a slab of Dyneema HB26?
                1. +3
                  28 December 2023 15: 16
                  Quote: hhurik
                  You also forgot to mention the SVM stsukoblaster, as well as the benefits of tarpaulin and foot wraps on a global scale. wink It would be funny if it did not concern the life and health of specific people. Do you yourself, the opornik with Mosinka and Nagant, prefer to storm, purely out of economy, or would you prefer something adequate to time and space? And what will you cover your carcass with, an ancestor of a sewer manhole in a bag with a hole for the head or a slab of Dyneema HB26?

                  So, first of all, I REALLY don’t like it when people put words into my mouth that I DID NOT SPEAK. I don’t know about the tarpaulin, but I’m ready to argue with anyone about the foot wraps. For two years in the army I ran around with foot wraps and nothing. My feet are fine, but those who wore socks, ALL of them, without exception, began to STINK. So don’t talk about things you don’t UNDERSTAND!!! Secondly, Enceladus has already indicated that the mosquito (of course not every one) has a BETTER MOA than the SVD and microwave. Besides, according to your logic, since the Kalash appeared already in 1947, it should be in a landfill? Even the AK-74 appeared in the last century!!! By the way, like Ar-ka, i.e. M-16 and M-14 (the latter is still used by the Pinsk marines just like the SVD and it appeared back in the 50s!!!) The only thing that argues with you is time to waste. You just don’t want to delve into what is written!!!! hi
                  1. +1
                    28 December 2023 15: 27
                    Well, what did you want? wink Professional deformation - you have to sort out the complaints of querollers, and when the client begins to continuously, without any meaning, capslock individual words and abuse intonation-expressive punctuation marks, apparently investing in them some special meaning that is exclusively understandable to him - interest in the writing disappears and becomes clear that the applicant has certain mental developments.
                    Don't waste time - pass by. hi
        2. +2
          28 December 2023 12: 15
          Colleague, do not speak for piece copies. We are talking about an average shaft trunk. A company sniper was simply given an SVD and use it, no one will shoot for you and give you the best. There is a rotation. First, the oil is shot at the range... partly the best selection (5%), the shaft (50%) - NOT given to more experienced shooters or those who have proven themselves in the rotation. The rest goes without an attribution and is issued for reinforcement to individual shooters and, perhaps, but not always, assigned to a specific person.
          Quote: nedgen
          Lapua magnum in sufficient quantity and QUALITY is another calico.

          Yes, we have already discussed this... I brought up the topic about the quality of our LMs. This is precisely the cornerstone of the cartridges, alas. crying
    2. +2
      28 December 2023 10: 46
      Quote: Vadim S
      You look at her and you’ve already seen everything somewhere. Well, we should have developed something of our own, original, because there are plenty of more effective schemes, no, everything was copied mainly from Amer’s ideas.

      Why pervert? The microwave is not a “true sniper” rifle, which fights for hundredths and which lives and works practically in testing conditions. This is an infantry rifleman's rifle. Her work is in the field, on the run, in dirt and dust, in the same formation with AK and PC. So reliability and fault tolerance for DMR go hand in hand with accuracy.
  4. -3
    28 December 2023 08: 06
    In March 2023, by presidential decree, the head of the sniper weapons design bureau of the Design and Technology Center of the Kalashnikov concern A.Yu. Chukavin was awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky.


    Maybe I don’t understand something, but this order was awarded only for merits in military operations, my uncle “Stalin’s Falcon”, who commanded the division, had this order, for carrying out I don’t remember which operation...
    But here... or do the “people” who prepare the awards not understand? or “agree” on what to reward?
    1. 0
      28 December 2023 08: 56
      The Order of Lenin is the highest award of the USSR for particularly outstanding services in the revolutionary movement, labor activity, defense of the socialist fatherland, development of friendship and cooperation between peoples, strengthening of peace and other particularly outstanding services to the Soviet state and society.
  5. +1
    28 December 2023 09: 46
    It is not clear why a new rifle would be released chambered for a cartridge created in the XNUMXth century.
    7 mm. cartridges - that 7.62 * 54, that .308 have lost and are giving way to 6 mm. The 6.5 Creedmore rifles (6.5*49) in the USA outsold the .308 by many times
    Back in the 1980s. in the USSR they developed a 6*49 cartridge for new sniper rifles and machine guns. Although, in my opinion, 6.5 is more convenient - 6 mm. can burn the barrel of a rifle in 2 thousand shots, rifles in 6.5 are much more durable.
    A domestic analogue of the Creedmore 6.5*49 would be suitable for replacing rifles and, in the future, machine guns.
    Temporary incompatibility of sniper cartridges is not a problem - anyway, for a rifle, the machine-gun “rolling” comes only conditionally - it will shoot, but the accuracy is much worse.
    1. +4
      28 December 2023 10: 53
      But because this is not a sniper rifle, but a DMR. And even the adversaries make them for military cartridges - 7,65x51 or even 5,56x45.
      This rifle is the “long arm” of a platoon or even a squad. And she must eat what she has Here and now - and not wait until zinc with a .338 or something similar gets to the squad from the traditionally lagging rear.
      1. +1
        28 December 2023 13: 29
        Quote: Alexey RA
        But because this is not a sniper rifle, but a DMR. And even the adversaries make them for military cartridges - 7,65x51 or even 5,56x45.
        This rifle is the “long arm” of a platoon or even a squad. And she must eat what she has Here and now - and not wait until zinc with a .338 or something similar gets to the squad from the traditionally lagging rear.

        It is for the reasons you voiced that it would have been WHERE cheaper to purchase or steal the modernization of the SVD from the Hansa and modernize it EVEN in the army workshops of the SVD, rather than putting the microwave into production. BUT the business of the concerns has not gone away!!!
        1. +3
          28 December 2023 20: 15
          . It is for the reasons you voiced that it would have been WHERE cheaper to purchase or steal the modernization of the SVD from the Hansa and modernize it EVEN in the army workshops of the SVD, rather than putting the microwave into production.


          The SVD is not capable of firing an arc minute. 1,5 with the selected cartridge can, but not for long - the thin barrel quickly overheats.
          The sight mount is not convenient.

          P.S. I personally know the first one who assembled a minute using the Hansa method from the Tiger, but there was a very selected barrel, modifications, a self-assembling .308 caliber cartridge and the supply of cartridges one at a time, because When served from the store, the spout became jammed.
          1. +5
            28 December 2023 20: 34
            I wrote more than once... if you read it you would see it. I will write separately that I can confirm. For 6 years, I have not seen a single SVD/SVDS or SVU that would give less than 1 MOA and this was reloaded with 1.24N7 (powder was accurately weighed, bullets were weighed, landing to hundredths, GOI grinding, etc.). It's normal if 1-1,4 - everything else - was already running out of oil like homeless people. This is for STP 1,7, if according to STP 100 for example, then yes, there are options... for 50 meters this is generally enough, even if it’s not reloading, but just sampling and reconciliation.
          2. +2
            28 December 2023 21: 04
            Your comment is truly an extensive topic for discussion.... on parts 2 and 3..
            Quote: Ivan Seversky
            The sight mount is not convenient

            It’s not a matter of convenience; relative to the barrel, in the AK design there is a shoulder to the sight (or rather to the receiver), where deformation and metal fatigue inevitably occur. Which leads to a displacement of the STP, at very interesting angles, which are now, let’s say, very intimate toys. And this angle arises, forgive the bullshit... Not to mention that the fastening itself does not particularly ensure repeatability.

            Quote: Ivan Seversky
            I personally know the first one to collect a minute using the Hansa from the Tiger method

            Well, in a combat situation, benchrest/varminting are fundamentally different things and the preparation is different. Well, you need to be confused. We are talking about practical combat shooting here and there is no point in lifting your ears. and the actual position on the staff does not imply this for a company commander. Let's just say, well, a person has nothing to do... forgive me. winked
            Quote: Ivan Seversky
            self-assembling .308 caliber cartridge and feeding cartridges one at a time, because. The spout got jammed when it was delivered from the store.

            This applies to any cartridge. Any company officer knows the rule. The first cartridge is always sent by hand. Then go to the store and use the fuse. Well, that’s the task. In general, I carried magazine 1 to KSVK, not reloaded, the rest of the cartridges were “in bulk” (but how is this, alas, not for public access. Yes, we loaded them manually if time allowed
            1. +1
              28 December 2023 22: 26
              Well, in a combat situation, benchrest/varminting are fundamentally different things and the preparation is different. Well, you need to be confused. We are talking about practical combat shooting here and there is no point in lifting your ears. and the actual position on the staff does not imply this for a company commander. Let's just say, well, a person has nothing to do... forgive me.


              If a weapon is a working tool, dancing with tambourines is not needed, if it is a hobby, the repeated minute from the SVD is an interesting engineering problem that has been solved ;)

              And I completely agree with everything you wrote.
              1. +1
                28 December 2023 22: 37
                Quote: Ivan Seversky
                And I completely agree with everything you wrote.
                Mutually Colleague drinks soldier
                Well, for me since childhood, shooting... I wrote... I became a warrior, even though I entered Moscow State University without exams... I left in the 2nd year... even my teacher (life safety is rough, I honestly don’t remember the name or subject) and the military commissar at the Military Commissariat on Olympic Avenue... said... Why do you need this? Study... Get married... raise children.... that's not what you're talking about. ........................................................ ....
                Well, then over some cognac, so to speak. In general, I signed all the papers.
      2. 0
        28 December 2023 20: 04
        п
        But because this is not a sniper rifle, but a DMR. And even the adversaries make them for military cartridges - 7,65x51 or even 5,56x45.


        SOCOM abandoned the new self-loading sniper rifles in .308, purchased 6.5 Creedmores and began adding machine guns to them.
        The Army is planning a conversion to .277.
        It’s clear that if we change the caliber, the machine guns will have to be upgraded, but at some point we need to abandon the legacy of the tsarist regime.
        1. +2
          28 December 2023 21: 30
          6,5mm has been in the air for a long time, more than a century. But so far it’s only a smell, despite the 22nd century... But still nothing. It’s not for nothing that Mosinki and Mausers, even when there was no need, were marked up to 2xkm for a group salvo wassat even after World War I. (those were the days! (c) Brother 1), And on the same Lee-Metford there were separate devices lol Then, yes, there were no such gunpowders to accelerate 6,5 so much, and even with smaller sizes.

          Quote: Ivan Seversky
          The Army is planning a conversion to .277.

          The key word is “plans”... if there were real progress....
          Quote: Ivan Seversky
          but someday we must abandon the legacy of the tsarist regime

          Wow, this is finally a topic for 130 years. I already wrote, but this is not some kind of state secret. The welted one is centered by the welt itself and the tolerances are greater than those without the welted one. Alas, in terms of the quality of manufacturing of cartridges, we still have things there, and therefore 7.62x54R is what connects the cases! lol I think it will last another 50 years without problems! Mass production and low cost. Only with gunpowder is the same problem. But on this topic, SVD grew and received worldwide recognition. good hi Before the second Chechnya with a bear, I fired more than 2 thousand shots since I was 8 years old... well, I love her like my first girl love . But at first, because of his eyesight, he was just a special communications officer... until our company commander was wounded....
          ZY SVU is still that piece... oars wassat lol
          1. +2
            28 December 2023 22: 45
            Quote from Enceladus
            6,5mm has been in the air for a long time, more than a century

            These are different 6,5. There were intermediate ones, here the ballistics are almost .300VM.
            Quote from Enceladus
            But it still doesn’t work.

            There are also disadvantages, yes.
            Quote from Enceladus
            marked up to 2xkm for a group salvo

            This is a legacy of cavalry times. However, they say that in WWII some practiced mounted machine-gun fire, including with PDO. Another thing is that the scale of such cases is little known - perhaps these are also tricks of individual uprights, like the current shooting at 3 kilometers of all sorts of lobaevs.
            Quote from Enceladus
            if there were real progress...

            A competition was held, Zigsauer materiel was purchased for army testing, and XM indices were assigned. In quantities larger than microwave, by the way.
            Quote from Enceladus
            tolerances are greater than without welt

            So-so plus for sniping. However, in general, we can agree: the problems of sniping in general and materiel in particular for it are of importance in the 1950s, and everyone already knows very well how to solve them.
            1. 0
              28 December 2023 22: 58
              Quote: Negro
              These are different 6,5. There were intermediate ones, here the ballistics are almost .300VM.

              Alas, I don’t know you by name Colleague! But these are not intermediate. Carcano, Arisaka, Fedorovsky (reinforced Arisaka) - alas, these are rifle cartridges of those years and are not suitable for intermediate cartridges. Well, it’s clear what the terms are here. By the way, my Grandfather went to Kwantung with arisaka.
              Quote: Negro
              There are also disadvantages, yes

              Well, still no more than 7,62, just... but the flatness and lethality are better +-. Well, I can’t argue here. I didn’t have a chance to shoot... and I can’t judge from YouTube about the same Creedmore or whatever it is.
              Quote: Negro
              A competition was held, Sig Sauer materiel was purchased for army testing. In quantities larger than microwave, by the way.

              Well, they have more money, they bought OICW... and all sorts of XM... we don’t have a chain press lol
              Quote: Negro
              So-so plus for sniping

              Actually, it's probably a plus. Eliminates deficiencies in the quality of cartridge cases. But here the landing of the bullet matters... because +- affects the speed of the bullet. I wrote above, the landing was verified to the hundredth. Yes, let’s say the slope is not the same, the gap... our tolerance goes rather to the “minus” when the departure... yes, there will be pressurization of the cartridge case, but it does not increase the combustion volume so much, and even now rifle powder will be faster and not so has a strong effect as the bullet moves by as much as a few mm
              1. +2
                29 December 2023 01: 12
                Quote from Enceladus
                But these are not intermediate. Carcano, Arisaka, Fedorovsky (reinforced Arisaka) - alas, these are rifle cartridges of those years and for intermediate ones, well, no good

                Let's restore the coordinate system.
                In the last quarter of the 19th century, with the advent of smokeless powder cartridges, rifle calibers jumped down. From 10-12 mm (berdanka) to 6-8 mm. 6mm calibers (Navi, Arisaka, Carcano, Swedish Mauser, etc.) existed in parallel with larger calibers, they did not feel any particular disadvantage, and machine guns were made for them. Slowly, but they were still being replaced by 7-8 mm calibers. Their muzzle energy was in the region of 2-2,5 kJ, which is close to 7,62x39. But all these cartridges were, of course, rifle cartridges, because... There was nothing except rifles.
                In the 20th century, a logical question arose: can a machine gun be a hand weapon? It quickly became clear that no, it couldn’t. At least with cartridges like .30-06. Accordingly, active searches began, including among old cartridges, or attempts to create something new in the same spirit. In particular, when speaking about the intermediate cartridge, I had in mind both Fedorov’s experiments with Arisaka, as well as the .278 Pedersen and especially the .280 British. Which was intermediate relative to the .30-06: in the sense that its creators reduced the power of the cartridge in order to gain controllability of the weapon during automatic fire.
                And finally the current beauties, Creedmoor and Fury. Both were made for a specific purpose: to fit something with a modern long bullet into the chamber of a 7,62 NATO cartridge (and, accordingly, into the magazine and lower of the AR-10 standard). Accordingly, for the sake of such a task it was necessary to reduce the caliber, and in the case of a more powerful fury, also raise the pressure almost to the level of the gun. But in a lower caliber we get the same rifle energy of more than 3 kJ and, accordingly, the ballistics of Creedmoor is better than .308, and that of Fury is approaching .300.
                Quote from Enceladus
                Yes, flatness and lethality are better +-

                How can I say it? Paperwork at the shooting range is one thing, men, especially in armored armor, are another thing. You wrote that .338 was not enough for you personally.
                Quote from Enceladus
                We don't have a sewing machine

                What does this have to do with the machine? I said that the Americans’ designs for the new rifle are not made of paper, but rather made of iron. Another thing is that they even had a lot of iron products, and the cart is still there.
                Quote from Enceladus
                Eliminates deficiencies in the quality of cartridge cases.

                Uh-uh. If we start talking about the quality of the cartridges and the seating of the bullet, then again, a penny for the fish: we end up shooting from a rifle with a machine-gun cartridge. And if there is sniping at the level of at least the mentioned MK316 cartridge, then in this context the topic of large tolerances and centering the cartridge case with a flange is somehow not very appropriate.
                1. 0
                  29 December 2023 01: 33
                  Quote: Negro
                  Let's restore the coordinate system.

                  Colleague, I won’t even argue with you here... when, like this idea of ​​the intermediate, there wasn’t even a smell or a breeze... not a fountain, but there were splashes good
                  But I tip my hat to knowledge, because I’m not strong in those realities and I know only from theory hi
                  Quote: Negro
                  Both were made for a specific purpose: to fit something with a modern long bullet into the chamber of a 7,62 NATO cartridge (and, accordingly, into the magazine and lower of the AR-10 standard). Accordingly, for the sake of such a task it was necessary to reduce the caliber, and in the case of a more powerful fury, also raise the pressure almost to the level of the gun.

                  Who's arguing? I didn't argue that in general. Gunpowder is now allowed and strength of materials is also available... although wear and tear, as far as I know... in this regard they are sacrificed.
                  Quote: Negro
                  I said that the Americans’ projects for the new rifle are not paper, but quite iron

                  I don’t want to argue on this topic, it’s better for the hardware... but it’s like the external debt of the states is over 30... and this is clearly not the capabilities of their economy... and then the SVO got caught... wassat They are making up for it with real orders, and not with flying airplanes ala 35, on which you can cut down the entire forest in the Moscow region and sponsor a couple more wars
                  Quote: Negro
                  MK316

                  I did not speak for 316 in any way and never even shot.
                  I speak for what happened and took place
            2. +1
              29 December 2023 00: 29
              Quote: Negro
              and in WWII, some practiced mounted machine-gun fire, including with PDO. Another thing is that the scale of such cases is little known - perhaps these are also tricks of individual upholders

              Shumilin describes such shooting, with good effect. But he really was a stubborn fighter - it seems that he was the only one in the entire division who knew and was able to use such tactics. Right before the war, he graduated from the Moscow Infantry School, where, according to him, shooting was taught thoroughly.
            3. +1
              29 December 2023 11: 21
              Quote: Negro
              However, they say that in WWII some practiced mounted machine-gun fire, including with PDO. Another thing is that the scale of such cases is little known - perhaps these are also tricks of individual uprights, like the current shooting at 3 kilometers of all sorts of lobaevs.

              PMSM, it was easier. Mounted machine gun fire requires the person organizing this action to have knowledge at the level of an artillery battery commander. How many of these machine gun unit commanders remained in service after the first year of the war? Some died, others were transferred to artillery (everything is easier than cooking from scratch from seventh graders). And military training courses for machine gunner commanders were focused on the speed of production, and not on the volume of knowledge. So among the commanders of machine gun units there are only a few elders who love, know how and practice unconventional shooting methods from WWII.
      3. +1
        29 December 2023 11: 10
        If you want to give Marksman a lot of machine-gun cartridges, then you should take his rifle away and give him a machine gun. There will be more sense. Western-made military cartridges are not much inferior to our sniper cartridges (if at all). Creating a rifle with accuracy up to one minute of arc and giving machine-gun rounds is either stupid or treacherous.
    2. +1
      28 December 2023 12: 43
      Quote: Ivan Seversky
      The 6.5 Creedmore rifles (6.5*49) in the USA outsold the .308 by many times

      You see, in Barnaul they have not yet learned how to make the 7,62x54R cartridge so that it is the same all the time. Where is this Creedmoor of yours?
      1. +3
        28 December 2023 15: 33
        Quote: Negro
        You see, in Barnaul they have not yet learned how to make the 7,62x54R cartridge so that it is the same all the time

        You might think that only Barnaul has such a problem. No, of course, the famous photo of Ulanov with the difference in how the bullet fits into the cartridge case for cartridges from one pack is as much as 2 mm, yes... but there is also Novosibirsk.

        Apparently, sameness and uniformity were considered a heavy legacy of the Soviet past, which suppressed individuality in everything. Now each patron is a personality. smile
        1. +1
          28 December 2023 17: 38
          Quote: Alexey RA
          but there is also Novosibirsk

          I think Barnaul is more meme-like, so to speak. Not that I was ready to discuss their comparative quality.
          Quote: Alexey RA
          sameness and uniformity were considered a heavy legacy of the Soviet past,

          Cough cough. Sameness and uniformity have never been the strengths of Soviet ammunition.
        2. 0
          29 December 2023 14: 46
          What prevents you from remaking the 3D printer head. He put a package of bullets and cartridges on the table and poured gunpowder into his head. The temperature of gunpowder, bullets and cartridges is up to a degree, the packaging of gunpowder is up to 0.5 mm^3, the accuracy of bullet landing is up to a micron, it will also compress quickly.
  6. 0
    28 December 2023 11: 36
    Why not make a self-igniting microwave fuse in a rifle? Maybe the accuracy will improve? There is no need to talk about the battery.
    1. 0
      28 December 2023 12: 08
      There is no need to limit yourself to half measures, why only a “self-igniting fuse”?
      Each fighter gets a stsukoblaster in his hands drinks
    2. 0
      28 December 2023 12: 24
      Quote: RusGr
      self-flammable

      It won't take long to shoot yourself good lol ZY I could not resist drinks
  7. +1
    28 December 2023 13: 57
    Now the main thing is to carefully analyze the feedback from the fighters and make appropriate changes to the production microwave samples. Well, don’t forget about the delivery set: bipod, can, sights, cartridges, etc.
  8. +1
    28 December 2023 14: 13
    Quote from Enceladus
    Stated 3.44 MIL = 1 MOA,

    Exactly the OPPOSITE. 1MIL=3,44 MOA
    1. 0
      28 December 2023 15: 38
      Well, it happens... yesterday there was a corporate party drinks More precisely 3.4377 tongue
  9. 0
    28 December 2023 14: 37
    Shutter handle on the left? I would add a bracket so that I could rearrange the bracket with the optics from the SVD.
    1. +3
      28 December 2023 15: 10
      The standard SVD optics under the side rail should be attached to the trash can and forgotten like a bad dream. Actually, the new rifle was created for the sake of having a standard seat - so that you could install anything you want. This is all - it has the MIL-STD-1913 standard, or as it is now called, and most of the mountings for optical-electronic devices for shooting in the world are fabricated under it.
      Such is the bum.
  10. +4
    28 December 2023 15: 43
    Well, let's wait for the AK-12 story to repeat itself)

    When, instead of following the most rational path of purchasing standard modernization kits for the AK-74, our military-industrial complex gave birth to another wunderwaffe, the first generation of which showed itself... Far from being the best. Because of this, KK engineers have had to finish this miracle for the second year already. Here too. Instead of routinely purchasing SAG-type kits, which multiply the capabilities of the SVD, we decided to give birth to this miracle.

    At the same time, I do not deny the need to create something new. This is a natural development process. But Russia cannot afford to indulge in this often. We are not the USA, we simply don’t have that kind of money. If we create new weapons, it will be for different calibers. If microwaves were made exclusively for .338 LM, there would be no questions. But creating a new complex for 7.62... This is strange. Same with the AK-12. If we had made it for a new cartridge (if we had an analogue of the NGSW competition), there would have been no questions. But changing AK-74s, which could simply be modified with standard modernization kits... This is a paragraph, gentlemen.
    1. +2
      28 December 2023 23: 12
      Hello Vladimir. I posted about the same thing above. It would also be nice to finally invest money in the production of high-quality cartridges. At least for sniper rifles to begin with.
  11. 0
    28 December 2023 15: 49
    As a replacement for the SVD, it’s probably fine, especially considering that with the same cartridge at a range of more than 800, the new rifle is more accurate. But it’s confusing that assembly and disassembly has become more complicated, the gas outlet regulator is again a controversial device for the Marxman level. It seems that in a trench, reliability is more important than frills. Why the lower picatinite? A straight barrel-butt line is good. The butt itself is also quite suitable for a mass-produced weapon. In general, time will tell. By the way, what about sieper variations 7.62*54 R? When applying for 1200, this is important - the “platoon sniper” has neither the time, nor the conditions, nor the skills to select and self-load cartridges.
    1. 0
      28 December 2023 20: 18
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      The gas outlet regulator is again a controversial device for the Marxman level

      On the contrary... an untranslatable play on words! There is no time to clean... and the heat of the battle... the work distances are close... at first it was underpowered, then the wedge gives - I gave more gas, so to speak. This is not KSVK, where there is a lot of time to clean and think about firing a blank shot once a week!
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Why the lower picatine?

      I could be wrong, it looks like the dryer and the front swivel are attached to it... correct me if that’s the case request

      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      By the way, what about the sieper variations 7.62*54 R? When applying for 1200, this is important - the “platoon sniper” has neither the time, nor the conditions, nor the skills to select and self-load cartridges

      Colleague, you should read my posts above. 1200 is in no way achievable with 7,62 caliber! A company officer (some people call him an infantryman) has a working range of 400-800 meters.
      1. 1200m - any 7,62 cartridge is already subsonic... only God or Allah knows ballistics of this level on a pointed bullet. If you strengthen it - it’s a one-piece rifle, you need to increase the speed of the gunpowder - and this is the height of the barrel and, like a milling cutter for rifling, the resource is scanty.
      2. I wrote above - a rotary soldier is 400-800 meters, then skills are needed because he will immediately fall under the gun of an enemy counter-sniper, with whom he, due to the power of paper scissors, will not be able to do anything.
      3. The task of the company officer is to ensure the density of fire in combined arms combat, even if it is not accurate. His task, unfortunately, is sometimes to force a sniper to work against him, and if he’s lucky, a counter-sniper (well, the latter is unlikely, there are no idiots) and to give the work to the latter. As the food chain grows, company->sniper->counter-sniper, the value and duration of preparing a position and the shot itself increases exponentially.
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    28 December 2023 19: 16
    7,62*54 for Marksman weapons, not to mention sniper weapons, is already outdated. And no amount of diphenhydramine can bring him up to .338. Making a new carbine entirely for an outdated cartridge is a waste of money. First, a new mass-produced sniper cartridge had to go into production, and then new rifles should be developed. Let's remember how 7,62*39 was created and only then SKS and AK appeared. Now there is a stupid situation where there is a microwave, but there is no new cartridge.
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      28 December 2023 20: 25
      SVDM is now a piece product... the fact that there will be a serial analogue - I don’t see anything bad. High-quality enhancement of company sniping. For those who, after the results shown, go to courses or separate full-fledged training. For those who seem to be too early to become officers, but are too young for privates... So to speak, so to speak, for the Dartagnans. I think that's it. But .338 IMHO, given our quality of cartridges, is a waste. And to write on a rifle like it has 1MOA and 1200 - well, this is outright fraud. I SVD doesn’t even see single-piece copies of STP100 less than 1.2 MOA even when reloaded with 7N1
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      28 December 2023 20: 28
      7,62*54 for Marksman weapons, not to mention sniper weapons, is already outdated. And no amount of diphenhydramine can bring him up to .338.


      The three-line caliber is certainly outdated, but for a Marksman rifle it is more logical not to switch to magnums, but to 6.5 mm.
      Magnums, whether in civilian or military sniping, are losing popularity; they will certainly remain, but as a niche item. A modern self-loading gun should fire out of the box in less than a minute, a very good 0,5 MOA, ballistics allow it to work up to a kilometer with good preparation.
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    29 December 2023 17: 46
    Quote: Ivan Seversky
    The three-line caliber is certainly outdated, but for a Marksman rifle it is more logical not to switch to magnums, but to 6.5 mm.

    With the current level of sibz on a fighter, IMHO, the traditional sniper caliber cartridge is already becoming obsolete. For some reason, no one has tried to use the developments of tank sub-caliber smoothbore ammunition in sniper weapons, within the limits of rifle calibers, of course.
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    30 December 2023 10: 35
    In addition to the cost of microwaves (which will decrease as production increases), it is worth paying attention to the cost of .338 LM cartridges, which we seem to have only 2 factories making; again, the question of their quality is in the air.
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    30 December 2023 10: 39
    Why isn’t the bank stocked as standard? Okay, .338 LM, and far away... But ours is. Then, based on the flash and sound, they will throw everything they can...
  16. -1
    2 January 2024 18: 32
    A 6,02x41 cartridge has been developed, which has characteristics that are more preferable than 7,62 cartridges in terms of penetration at distances over 500 m. It simply loses less energy in flight. Well, microwaves honestly have parameters that are no match for the sniper from the Moscow arms factory Raptor tactical, which has an accuracy of ~100 cm or 1 MOA at 0,3 m.
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