Modernization or replacement: news about the future of the Uragan MLRS

Modernization or replacement: news about the future of the Uragan MLRS
MLRS "Uragan" involved in the Special Operation

The most active participation in the current Special Operation is taken by the rocket artillery of the Russian army, incl. calculations of 9K57 Uragan multiple launch rocket systems. Using 220-mm shells with different combat equipment, they hit certain targets at great distances and help achieve the overall goals of the operation. As it became known, the army will now have to master the updated versions of the Hurricane and use their characteristic advantages.

Replacement issue

On November 17, the Ministry of Defense newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda published an interview with the chief of the missile forces and artillery of the ground forces, Lieutenant General Dmitry Klimenko. During the conversation, the general revealed several important issues, incl. concerning the further development of his branch of troops. In particular, he said that the modernized Tornado-S systems with improved characteristics are gradually replacing the existing Smerch and Hurricane systems.

A few days later, the publication Izvestia, citing sources in the Ministry of Defense, revealed possible details of such processes. It was stated that the Uragans still retain their place in the troops, and that this equipment is also being modernized, but MLRS upgrade projects are facing objective difficulties. In the current situation, a decision was made to gradually remove 9K57 products from military and military forces and replace them with longer-range and more effective Tornado-S.

As reported, the plan for such rearmament is divided into two stages. The first provides for the replacement of Hurricanes in artillery and rocket brigades in districts and combined arms armies. Then the artillery regiments of motorized rifle and tank divisions. The timing of such a replacement was not specified.

"Hurricane" attacks the enemy

Deliveries continue

Thus, in November it became known that the Ministry of Defense plans to update the missile defense weapons fleet and abandon one of the main types of rocket artillery. However, just a month later, different information appeared. Now it has become known that the army is not yet going to abandon the Hurricanes and is even receiving new combat vehicles.

On December 20, the Oboronka telegram channel published a couple of interesting photos of a train with equipment taken by an unknown photographer in an unnamed location. The shot showed combat vehicles on a wheeled chassis of the BAZ brand with special add-ons hidden under covers. However, the characteristic package of 220 mm guides was clearly visible under the tarpaulin. This means that the train was carrying a whole batch of Uragan systems on a new chassis, known under the designation 9K57-1.

Literally a few hours later another interesting news on the development of R&A. Telegram channel “Russian weapon“without indicating specific sources, announced the start of deliveries to the army of the new 9K512 Uragan-1M bicaliber multiple launch rocket system. It is alleged that combat vehicles of this type in the future will have to replace the existing 9K57, capable of using only one line of ammunition.

It should be noted that the Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on the latest reports. So far, the latest official information about the prospects of the Hurricane remains the statements of Lieutenant General D. Klimenko from mid-November. However, the defense department can talk at any time about the receipt of new equipment, its use in the Special Operation zone and the results achieved.

Transportation, presumably, of "Hurricanes" on the "Voshchina" chassis

Ways of modernization

The 9K57 Uragan multiple launch rocket system was developed in the first half of the seventies at the Tula State Research Institute of Precision Engineering (now NPO Splav) under the leadership of A.N. Ganicheva. In 1975, the system was adopted by the Soviet army, and it still remains in use.

Over the past decades, the Hurricane has become obsolete morally and physically. Thus, the old four-axle chassis ZIL-135LM raises technical and operational complaints. The standard fire control system does not have a number of functions that are now necessary, and the family of 220 mm ammunition does not fully meet modern requirements. However, quite a long time ago attempts began to modernize the existing 9K57 MLRS, aimed at improving all the main tactical, technical and operational characteristics.

For all its strengths, the ZIL-135LM chassis produced in Moscow and Bryansk is not distinguished by its perfection and ease of operation. In this regard, work began quite a long time ago to transfer the missile unit to a new base. Thus, within the framework of the 9K512 Uragan-1M project, the possibility of using the BAZ-6910 Voshchina chassis was considered from the mid-nineties. However, this version of the project was not implemented, and a new type of MLRS was implemented on the MZKT-7930 “Astrologer” platform with similar characteristics.

In 2020, for the first time, they showed another option for transferring the Hurricane to a new chassis with the index 9K57-1. In this case, they implemented an idea from the nineties and installed a standard launcher on a BAZ-69092 vehicle. Recently, vehicles of this appearance were seen on military echelon platforms.

Deeply modernized MLRS "Uragan-1M" with TPK for 300-mm shells

It should be noted that the Uragan-1M project affected not only the MLRS base. It also introduced a new fire control system with modern means of navigation and calculation of firing data. The standard launcher in the form of a package of guides was replaced with a device for mounting two standardized transport and launch containers. The 9K512 MLRS retained compatibility with the entire line of 220-mm projectiles, and also gained the ability to use 300-mm missiles from the Smerch system.

Compatibility with the 300mm family of rockets is of particular interest. New ammunition is being created in this caliber with improved range and accuracy characteristics, as well as with different payload options. The possibility of their use should dramatically increase the combat capabilities of the Uragan-1M. Thus, the maximum firing range will increase to 120 km and accuracy will increase, and combat capabilities will change due to new warheads.

Directions of development

Judging by the latest news, the Russian army is updating its existing fleet of Uragan MLRS. This problem seems to be solved in two ways. The first involves the supply of equipment on a new chassis. These are probably modernized vehicles from combat units, and there are no plans to build new ones. The second method is to purchase new 9K512 products of new construction, which have a number of important advantages.

The positive consequences of such projects are generally clear. Vehicles of the 9K57-1 type will allow the army to maintain the desired fleet size, despite the exhaustion of the old chassis and other factors. In turn, the purchase of 9K512 products will also help maintain the fleet, and in addition, improve its operational and combat capabilities.

"Tornado-S" launches missiles

However, the need for Uragan-1M now raises questions. The fact is that in order to demonstrate maximum results, this MLRS must use ammunition from Smerch / Tornado-S. In this case, the two 300 mm systems actually duplicate each other, and the need for their simultaneous operation is questionable. In fact, in such a situation, military and military forces can easily get by with just one Tornado-S, which has all the necessary capabilities and functions.

Apparently, the Ministry of Defense understands this feature of modern projects very well and takes it into account in its plans for the future. Thus, the idea of ​​a gradual abandonment of Hurricanes, incl. from their modernized version, could have appeared precisely because of the reluctance to have two samples with similar potential. The Tornado-S systems are being considered as a long-range fire weapon, and the Uragan is going to be gradually phased out.

However, 9K57 products and their modifications will not be immediately removed from units, and they still have to serve and participate in various events, incl. in the current Special Operation. For this purpose, obviously, the launchers are being repaired and transferred to a modern production chassis, but without more complex modifications.

Present and future

The Russian army is armed with three main lines of MLRS for projectiles of different calibers, having different characteristics and capabilities. The Grad and Smerch products were recently modernized according to the Tornado project and now demonstrate the full potential of the equipment and new missiles installed on them. In turn, the future of Hurricane, which occupies an intermediate position between Grad and Smerch, was in doubt until recently.

Now the situation is becoming clearer. The RMiA plan to maintain the 9K57 Uragan system in service, and also, if necessary, update such equipment. However, a full-fledged deep modernization, apparently, is not envisaged. As previously reported, in the future it is possible to reduce the range of MLRS to two main models without loss in combat capabilities. Until then, however, the Hurricanes still have to serve and show their potential. This means that the batch of modernized combat vehicles recently spotted on the railway is unlikely to be the last.
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  1. +17
    26 December 2023 07: 25
    First of all, we need new shells, this is not a matter of pipes. We need gunpowder that is more energy-intensive, then the engines will be more efficient. And what kind of base or how many pipes are on it is the tenth matter.
    1. 0
      26 December 2023 15: 45
      They just decided to use the Hurricane to the fullest, due to the situation, if there are installations and shells for them. But as they wrote earlier, it will apparently be removed.
      1. +3
        26 December 2023 20: 38
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        as previously written, it will apparently be removed.

        Just don’t repeat the nonsense of stupid journalists, who, either at the prompting of an enemy and saboteur, or due to their own limitations, do not know that they are grinding with their tongues and spanking on the keyboard.
        To begin with, to correctly perceive the issue, you need to understand the purpose of such MLRS, their capabilities and the correspondence of their warheads to cannon artillery shells. Just imagine that some smart guy will say that barrel artillery should be limited to calibers: 122 mm. (D-30), 203 mm. (Malka) and (drum roll!) the main ship caliber of the Russo-Japanese War 12" * 305 mm). . . belay Isn't it great? wassat
        Any military man, or even just an educated person, understands that in war, in order to suppress the enemy with fire during offensive operations and to disrupt the enemy’s preparations for them, it is necessary to have the possibility of massive fire impact. "Grad" is capable of providing such mass, but due to the limited power of the ammunition, this may and most likely will not be enough. Barrel artillery? And how long does it take to drag it? How long can she work effectively without changing positions? Let's not forget about counter-battery fire from the enemy, who is very good at this.
        Shall we bring "Smerch"?
        And how long will such luxury last? Where does each rocket stand like a fuel dispenser rocket? Which is much more useful to use exclusively as a high-precision weapon with a high degree of power. And these are completely different, although very important tasks - defeating important targets and objects in the tactical and even operational rear areas.
        And what is the updated Hurricane on a new chassis?
        And this is a TPU with two blocks of packages of 15 missiles of 220 mm caliber. in every . 30 missiles on one TPU!!! (there were 16) Each missile has a warhead of 100+ kg. This is not even Malka’s projectile in terms of power, because the proportion of explosives in the warhead is higher. Can you imagine the consequences of a salvo from one such machine?
        What about the batteries?
        What about the division?
        And the shelf?
        Do you really want to deprive the Army of such a tool and power?
        And who told you that they want to get rid of this caliber? Journalists?
        And that is why new, and universal, TPUs have been developed? With new ones, incl. high-precision and guided missiles?
        Seriously ?
        The Hurricane has an optimal caliber for most tasks.
        1. -2
          27 December 2023 00: 38
          It turns out that then it is more effective to have only Grad and Uragan-1M. Because Hurricane -1M in caliber replaces both Hurricane and Tornado-S request
          1. -3
            27 December 2023 00: 56
            Quote: Ivan_91
            Because Hurricane -1M in caliber replaces both Hurricane and Tornado-S

            Nobody replaces anyone. The Hurricane has a warhead of 100 kg and a range of 70 - 80 km. , Smerch has a warhead of over 200 kg. and range 120 km. with a perspective of 200 km.
            It makes more sense to use the tornado exclusively as a high-precision tactical ammunition of great power. Like a Tochka-U class fuel dispenser. And the Hurricane is the main tactical high-precision ammunition of increased power, the range of which can easily be increased to 100 - 120 km. Each complex has its own niche and a unified chassis and TPU.
            1. +1
              27 December 2023 01: 05
              If Uragan-1M can use both Smerch and Uragan ammunition, what’s the point?
              1. -2
                27 December 2023 01: 08
                Hurricane and Smerch are missiles and block packages for them, but they already have the same TPU. Now - united.
        2. 0
          27 December 2023 13: 16
          This was written earlier on VO. Based on the fact that the Hurricane was not brought to the level of a Tornado, as was done with Hail and Tornado.
          1. -1
            27 December 2023 18: 34
            And even earlier they wrote and presented a photo of a bicaliber two-pack TPU. True, it was called the "Tornado-S" index and the chassis seemed to be different. But it was then that the composition of quick-change block packages 6 x 300mm was named. and/or 15 x 220 mm.
        3. -1
          27 December 2023 21: 43
          Have you seen or heard much about how Grads stopped attackers in the Northern Military District? Mainly barrel artillery worked. The supports are also destroyed exclusively by the trunks, the hail only leaves lunar landscapes around. The time of the MLRS has already passed; they will slowly move on to the OTRK, to guided high-precision weapons.
          1. +1
            28 December 2023 09: 24
            Quote: Timur_kz
            Have you seen or heard much about how Grads stopped attackers in the Northern Military District?

            Over 9,5 years - quite a lot. And now from Donetsk I can hear art and MLRS working. There have been no extended/long salvos for a long time. And heavy MLRS fire increasingly in short salvoes and increasingly with precision-guided ammunition. I can hear it right now.
            Quote: Timur_kz
            Supports are also destroyed exclusively by trunks,

            No longer exclusively. "Tornado-S" with its high-precision ammunition destroys the opornik much better than Malka with its unguided one. And more efficient than Krasnopol, because power matters.
            And for the last couple of days of the campaign, several new Uragans have been working with their high-precision weapons. At least that's how it sounds.
            Quote: Timur_kz
            The time of the MLRS has already passed; they will slowly move on to the OTRK, to guided high-precision weapons.

            "Tornado-S" with guided munitions is essentially already such a TRC, and with longer-range missiles it will be quite an OTRK. So the new Hurricane with longer-range and high-precision missiles becomes a complete analogue of Khaimars.
            And there is no need to move anywhere to the OTRK of the RF Armed Forces - 12 full Iskander brigades in service are quite enough. And Tornado-S with a warhead of 200+ kg and Hurricane with 100 kg. Warheads with new ranges and high accuracy will provide considerable flexibility in choosing weapons for specific purposes.
            Quote: Timur_kz
            The time of the MLRS has already passed

            You may not believe it, but their New Life is just beginning. And they have a big and bright future ahead of them.
    2. 0
      18 March 2024 09: 09
      "Base" is the tenth thing??? This is exclusively for those who have not encountered a real situation, when out of six BMs only one is on the move... and for the simple reason that it is twenty years younger than its “sisters”... and all that was possible, it was already “given to her by relatives.”
      I hope there is no need to explain what happens to commanders of non-combat-ready units, to the equipment and crews themselves in a combat situation. To freeze in a field on the march, when enemy drones are fluttering somewhere nearby like butterflies in summer, is still a “pleasure” with indescribable emotions.
      A long time ago, at least the engines should have been changed as soon as diesel engines appeared with sufficient power.
  2. +4
    26 December 2023 07: 52
    I still don’t understand from the article why there is a hurricane if there is a tornado or vice versa
    1. +5
      26 December 2023 11: 17
      With the modern approach, the Hurricane is in the caliber of Himars. A 300mm tornado is almost BR.
      If you switch to a 6x6 comm chassis, then the Uragan missile is just right. You need to know the plans of the Moscow Region.
      1. 0
        26 December 2023 12: 48
        The Ministry of Defense's plan is to make a platform from which hurricane and tornado missiles can be launched by rearranging the launch containers. Hurricane missiles do not produce, when they end there will only be small hail and a 300 mm tornado.
        1. +1
          26 December 2023 20: 44
          we need a modular MLRS of the Kama type or its new reincarnation Sarma, which would have replaceable missile packages (disposable and rechargeable), calibers from 122 to 300 or more: 122 mm - 40 tubes, 220 mm - 12-16 tubes, 300 - 6 pipes, 300+ (analogous to "Polonaise") - 4 pcs.
          1. 0
            26 December 2023 21: 49
            It seems like they are promising new cams. The question is where to get so many missiles, a hundred installations means a thousand missiles a day, but to shoot them for a year is generally a fantastic figure.
            Quote: Cympak
            which would have replaceable packages of missiles (disposable and rechargeable), calibers from 122 to 300 and more: 122 mm - 40 tubes, 220 mm - 12-16 tubes, 300 - 6 tubes

            Actually in the evening, Chemezov explained that missiles from TOS and hurricanes will be launched from agriculture, which is batch and 140 mm. Apparently three calibers were not enough for us
            1. 0
              26 December 2023 21: 57
              It seems like they are promising new cams.

              Yes, the name of the new complex has been announced - “Sarma”.
              The question is where to get so many missiles, a hundred installations means a thousand missiles a day, but to shoot them for a year is generally a fantastic figure.

              The SVO showed that thousands of unguided missiles are ineffective; hundreds of high-precision guided missiles are needed.
              Actually in the evening, Chemezov explained that missiles from TOS and hurricanes will be launched from agriculture, which is batch and 140 mm. Apparently three calibers were not enough for us

              If "Agriculture" is turned into a modular MLRS with a replaceable package of missiles of different calibers (apparently from 122 to 220), then this is what our army needs.
              1. 0
                27 December 2023 00: 59
                Quote: Cympak

                If "Agriculture" is turned into a modular MLRS with a replaceable package of missiles of different calibers (apparently from 122 to 220), then this is what our army needs.

                This is of course a good idea, but it was delayed a little. If we turn Agriculture into a universal MLRS, then what should we do with all these tosas, kamas, hurricanes, and tornadoes? They will be inappropriate. What then is the point of their separate existence?
  3. +4
    26 December 2023 08: 33
    Hurricane is the most promising of the MLRS. Why give it up? The City is morally outdated. He frankly doesn't measure up. But the Hurricane needs well-thought-out modernization.
    Tornado/Tornado From frankly expensive. Yes, it has advantages, but in terms of price-efficiency ratio it is far from Hurricane. They are gradually making something out of it at the tactical level.
    On the contrary, Hurricane needs to be demoted along the hierarchy. Get closer to the infantry. Upgrades and new ammunition can make it a very flexible tool.
    GLONAS-guided guided missile. Yes please. It wouldn’t be a shame to attach such an expensive thing to the Hurricane warhead in order to attack something important in the near rear.
    Missiles with a reduced range but with an increased combat load. Here's a replacement for Grad. When one Hurricane car will replace several Gradovskys.
    And Hurricane probably has the rest. The widest range of ammunition for all occasions.
    1. +2
      26 December 2023 09: 40
      In conditions of necessary unification, Hurricane is neither here nor there. Why have a bunch of systems? Yes, Tornado is more expensive, but rockets for it are already available and are being produced! The price issue will drop when the conveyor is 100% loaded. You can make a lunar landscape and a city!
      1. 0
        26 December 2023 09: 47
        Here the Hurricane is just here and there. And it’s much better to make a lunar landscape with a Hurricane than with a Hail.
      2. -1
        26 December 2023 12: 53
        Because the Motovilikha plant does not have time to rivet the base for the tornado g and s family. Not surprisingly, Motovilikha was bankrupt for a long time. They also decided to involve the Bryansk Automobile Plant in the production of the automobile platform
    2. +3
      26 December 2023 12: 17
      All of these systems do not have real-time targeting. They are used according to old schemes from the Second World War. And while stationary targets can still be hit, moving columns cannot. And it’s not a matter of MLRS, or even missiles, it’s a matter of target designation and reconnaissance and control of areas of responsibility in real time. There are no new staffing structures, no new organizational structures for rapid response in tactical depth and beyond, taking into account the range of possible destruction. This has been talked about since 2000, and geniuses the military leadership still doesn’t hear anything, doesn’t understand anything, and won’t be able to understand anything for a long time. Fools learn from their mistakes, which they, suddenly, unexpectedly, for the first time for them, discovered in the Northern Military District. They don’t see anything past their trough. Where is the concept of modern combat without nuclear weapons? How should an army fight? What did you do in Syria? Where "a new type of army" Gerasimova ?Responsible for inaction!
      In addition, it turned out that the Russian army is experiencing big problems with communication and coordination of troops, as well as with reconnaissance and target designation. The lack of reconnaissance and strike UAVs, as well as the lack of a sufficient number of high-precision projectiles, have led the RF Armed Forces to use the “barrage of fire” tactics - concentrating a significant amount of artillery in one area and “filling up” enemy positions with projectiles.
      Some authors even began to understand this. Re-read the article again.
      1. 0
        26 December 2023 17: 24
        This is a purely organizational issue. With this approach, even the most advanced weapons will become ineffective.
      2. +2
        26 December 2023 17: 49
        Quote: Totvolk80
        They are used according to old schemes from the Second World War. And while stationary targets can still be hit, moving columns cannot.

        Columns were broken both in the Second World War and now. Some masters can even hit lonely tanks with artillery. In real time, on the scale of an individual regiment, everything works great. It doesn’t work well when interaction goes beyond the boundaries of the division, it’s every man for himself
    3. +2
      26 December 2023 12: 46
      Why is a guided missile for a hurricane cheaper than for a tornado? The electronics there will be the same, but in a smaller volume
      1. 0
        26 December 2023 17: 27
        I didn’t say that it was cheaper and didn’t compare it with Smerch. I said that the Uragan warhead is large enough to make it controllable. For example, a guided missile to Grad makes no sense. Warhead is small.
        1. -1
          26 December 2023 17: 46
          Quote: garri-lin
          I didn’t say that it was cheaper and didn’t compare it with Smerch.

          Tornado/Tornado From frankly expensive. Yes, it has advantages, but in terms of price-efficiency ratio it is far from Hurricane.

          I can read, that's exactly what you wrote
          1. 0
            26 December 2023 19: 30
            So sorry. The fragment you indicated spoke about the complex as a whole. And installation and ammunition and life cycle.
            Don’t be attracted to something that doesn’t exist.
            Managed ones were discussed further and there is no price comparison.
            1. +1
              26 December 2023 19: 38
              Will the installations differ greatly in price? In a tornado, the rockets are simply larger in size and smaller in number; for the Hurricane-1M, replaceable blocks are generally made, the hurricane is shorter, the tornado is longer. And on the “foundation” chassis in the article you can see that they left space in front for the tornado guides. If hurricane missiles run out, only tornado missiles will fly, you just need to rivet them in tens of thousands a year
              1. 0
                26 December 2023 19: 53
                Look at the data at least in open sources.
                1. +1
                  26 December 2023 20: 22
                  And what kind of data is there? They said that there would be no hurricane even under Serdyukov. We must take an example from those who bent the whole world, who generally have one tank, one infantry fighting vehicle, one armored personnel carrier, two calibers of artillery, one caliber of MLRS, and so on.
                  1. 0
                    26 December 2023 20: 55
                    Who are they???? Uruguay?
                    1. +2
                      26 December 2023 21: 46
                      No, these are Americans. They like it to be just one thing. From one type of destroyer to one phone manufacturer
                      1. +1
                        26 December 2023 23: 08
                        That is why they have so many different things under one name.
                      2. +1
                        26 December 2023 23: 12
                        We also have a lot of different things under one name, especially in armored vehicles
                      3. 0
                        27 December 2023 16: 36
                        Exactly. It’s like that everywhere. And in the American Army there is a diversity. Although not as much as ours, it is also quite a lot.
                      4. +1
                        27 December 2023 18: 01
                        They are fighting this diversity, they want to keep one plane, instead of the different F-15/16/18 and A10. And old versions are upgraded to new ones. And don’t create new ones for old hurricanes, make tornadoes and don’t show off
        2. 0
          26 December 2023 21: 08
          Quote: garri-lin
          For example, a guided missile to Grad makes no sense. Warhead is small.

          And yet, there are guided munitions for the Tornado-G and they are actively used. So don’t worry, they are already there for “Hurricane” and you will see them soon.
          1. +1
            26 December 2023 23: 09
            What kind of guided munitions are there for the Tornado G/Grad?
            1. 0
              26 December 2023 23: 21
              Exactly . There were materials about this at VO, and even footage of the destruction of enemy positions and equipment during landing, when a dozen shells landed in an even row. And the Sumerians wrote about this.
              1. 0
                27 December 2023 16: 35
                Can you provide a link to guided ammunition for Grad?
                1. 0
                  27 December 2023 18: 21
                  I don’t store it, look for it on VO for this year.
                  And I listened to the work of the new Hurricanes all this (last) night. Not in volleys.
    4. 0
      26 December 2023 20: 53
      Hurricane is the most promising of the MLRS.

      No, the trend is modular multi-caliber MLRS with guided missiles. Precision missiles reduce the requirements for the number of guides. As a result, a high-frequency rocket is cheaper than many conventional ones. The fields of Ukraine will not let you lie
      1. 0
        26 December 2023 20: 56
        You are confusing MLRS and OTRK. Very different systems.
        1. 0
          26 December 2023 21: 52
          In fact, HIMARS is the OTRK. Unguided rockets for it are no longer produced.
          1. 0
            26 December 2023 23: 06
            And Hurricane is an MLRS. And this is the main goal; these are not point targets, but area targets.
  4. +4
    26 December 2023 08: 50
    I started reading the article, but for some reason the meaning refused to enter my head! But a certain fragment from “Shrek” clearly came to mind!
  5. +5
    26 December 2023 09: 14
    Three MLRS systems made sense when the Grad's range was 20 km. "Hurricane" occupied an intermediate position, both in range and power. Now "Grad" hits 40 km. even further than the Hurricane, and from 20 km. "Smerch" is working. Elementary logic says that two systems are sufficient.
    1. +3
      26 December 2023 09: 23
      You forgot such a parameter as the power of ammunition. Here Hurricane has a huge advantage over Grad. Plus, due to the larger diameter of the ammunition, larger submunitions can be used. For cumulative purposes this matters.
      1. 0
        26 December 2023 12: 34
        It’s clear that Hurricane is better, but Grad also has its advantages. You can’t intercept Grad, it will overload any pro. Even Ukrainians praying or khimars often accompanied the volleys with shots of hail, because khimars were intercepted once or twice, but the hail was not.
        1. 0
          26 December 2023 17: 30
          Won’t 12 Uragan missiles with one launcher overload any missile defense???
      2. 0
        26 December 2023 14: 13
        I haven't forgotten. All the work that Hurricane does, at a distance of 20 km, can be done by Smerch. And up to 20 km, there is artillery of 152 - 203 - mm caliber.
        1. +3
          26 December 2023 17: 32
          A tornado is more expensive. And significantly. And ammunition for Smerch is more expensive. And this means they know less.
          And second. Barrel artillery and MLRS are different in essence. They do not replace each other, but complement each other.
          1. +1
            26 December 2023 18: 48
            War is generally very expensive. I think that operating two MLRS systems, in any case, will be cheaper than three. Yes, canned artillery will not replace the MLRS, but it can take on some of the tasks that the Grad cannot perform at distances of up to 40 km.
            1. 0
              26 December 2023 21: 21
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Three MLRS systems made sense when the Grad's range was 20 km. "Hurricane" occupied an intermediate position, both in range and power. Now "Grad" hits 40 km. even further than Hurricane

              122 mm. Grad made a new missile with a range of 40+ km. , and even adjustable ammunition. The tornado is now flying 120 km. , and the next modification will be for 200 km. And do you seriously think that Uragan was not given ammunition with a range of 70 - 80 km. ??
              You are very much mistaken.
              Would anyone bother with a new TPU and new quick-change block packages if the system was going to be removed from service? Or having made high-precision guided ammunition for Grad, they might not have done the same for Uragan?
              The Hurricane has the optimal caliber for most fire missions and the only problem was the chassis of its old TPU. Now it has a new chassis, a new TPU with quick-change block packages and new long-range and high-precision ammunition. I think that this particular system will become the most in demand for our Army in light of current and future tasks.
              1. +1
                26 December 2023 22: 56
                Wouldn’t it be easier to put a new package of guides on the Smerch chassis, so that there would be unification, at least in terms of the chassis?
                1. 0
                  26 December 2023 23: 25
                  So they did such a unification - know, change block packages. Do you want two of 6 Tornadoes, or two of 15 Hurricanes. Yes, the fact that such work is underway has been reported before, and even photos have been published. And now they have joined the troops.
      3. 0
        26 December 2023 17: 04
        Quote: garri-lin
        You forgot such a parameter as the power of ammunition. Here Hurricane has a huge advantage over Grad.

        Without a doubt. But the Grad, if something happens, can be reloaded manually.
        By the way, a fragmentation warhead that can be detached and lowered over the target, almost at a right angle, on a parachute, has been developed for the Grad. After the warhead is detonated in the target area, destruction by fragments is ensured at 360 degrees. The efficiency of such a system is 5-7 times higher than that of conventional PCs.
        1. +2
          26 December 2023 17: 35
          The ability to manually reload is the only advantage of the Grad. And I know about him. Tested it on my own hump.
          Otherwise, the Hurricane has advantages.
          And I heard about the detachable warhead. Hurricane has missiles with submunitions, each of which sows a rather large area with such submunitions.
          1. +1
            26 December 2023 18: 50
            Likewise, “Smerch” has cluster munitions, as does attack (front-line) aviation, and even cannon artillery. We need to find a “golden mean”. And “Hurricane” is clearly superfluous here. Moving an old system to a new chassis is not a good idea.
            1. 0
              26 December 2023 19: 26
              The hail is weak and, given the size of the ammunition, has little prospects for modernization.
              Hurricane ammunition is much more promising.
              1. 0
                26 December 2023 22: 57
                The Smerch ammunition is even more promising. And the North Korean 600 - mm., generally a fairy tale)))
                1. -1
                  26 December 2023 23: 04
                  Tornado ammunition yes. What about Grad ammunition? I compare Hail and Hurricane. And I think that we need to give up the City.
                  1. 0
                    27 December 2023 20: 43
                    Quote: garri-lin
                    You forgot such a parameter as the power of ammunition. Here Hurricane has a huge advantage over Grad.

                    What is the problem with making ammunition for a tornado with the range of a hurricane? Just reduce the range due to the warhead. And then there is no need for a hurricane.
                    1. 0
                      28 December 2023 20: 41
                      I'm talking about the City. Then you will have to make ammunition for the Smerch with the range of the Grad.
  6. +2
    26 December 2023 09: 35
    I don’t even understand why all this zoo in the range of weapons. Especially MLRS. Russia apparently decided to continue to stand on the same rake that the USSR stood on, producing a million types of equipment and then marveling at how to service and maintain all this miracle.
  7. -1
    26 December 2023 11: 56
    I remember with sadness those times when every photograph was a document, frozen in a moment of history. And what it has now been turned into: a huge photograph (“Transportation, presumably, of Hurricanes on the Voshchina chassis”), 90% blurred, and what else was somehow visible was covered with letters. This art has zero informational value.
  8. +2
    26 December 2023 15: 52
    With Hurricane, it seems to me, it’s quite simple. Everyone understands that at the present stage the Hurricane is superfluous. But there is a supply of shells, there are launching and combat-ready units, and there is a war going on. Therefore, a variation is underway with serviceable chassis tubes of new and old models, so that all of them relatively simultaneously reach the end of the supply of missiles and serviceable launchers. And then, of course, write off and leave the Tornado models.
  9. 0
    26 December 2023 17: 18
    Modernization or Replacement????
    During periods of hostilities, Modernization is definitely a priority. And a significant argument is cheapness. New systems will certainly be more efficient. But how much more expensive?
    And we know how to destroy Patriots too. If we want!!!!
  10. 0
    26 December 2023 18: 24
    This has already happened somewhere. And in the self-propelled guns, there were the same crazy projects. And then, with the beginning of the war, they pulled out everything that could shoot. Why did the “Hurricane” become unnecessary? Neither the article nor the comments contain a single significant argument.
  11. +2
    26 December 2023 18: 38
    Both Smerch and Hurricane are in dire need of high-precision missiles. Shooting in volleys over tens of kilometers is a stupid thing, you can fire hundreds of millions of missiles, but it’s good if at least one hits someone. There is a strong need for GPS/Glonass-guided missiles. Well, specifically, Uragan is also hampered by problems with the chassis, the ZIL plant has been gone for a long time, there are now shopping centers there, there is nothing to service the complex car. But replacing the medium-range system with the much more expensive Smerch looks irrational. It is necessary to either kick Kamaz or expand BAZ; a new powerful chassis is required not only for RZSO.
    1. +1
      26 December 2023 21: 03
      IMHO further prospects for the development of MLRS: "Grad" 122 mm - a classic cheap short-range MLRS in the battalion's area of ​​responsibility, anything larger is a high-tech weapon for counter-battery warfare and targeted destruction of enemy targets (like HIMARS) with different ranges and warhead power depending on the caliber .
  12. -1
    30 December 2023 22: 39
    This is all great, but there is still no news about the appearance of analogues of the RSD destroyed in the early 90s. SS - 20.
    On the contrary, it's sad...
  13. 0
    6 March 2024 14: 03
    Existing Hurricanes need to be modernized, transferred to a new chassis.
    After the service life is exhausted, change to a bi-caliber system with batch loading.
    As a result, troops will receive a unified platform with unified packages. This will simplify crew training, spare parts logistics, damage repairs, etc.
    The only question that bothers me. Belarusian Polonaise. This is a Chinese device that has a caliber of 301 mm. Those. this system has the ability to fire our missiles, but we do not.
    In view of the above, I would suggest, when 300 mm missiles are depleted and new systems are released, to switch to a new caliber 302 or 301 mm
  14. 0
    April 21 2024 16: 21
    I don’t know how to fix the missiles, but the chassis definitely needs to be changed. The ZIL plant is long gone. The design is unsuccessful - 2 motors, and a rigid suspension of two central axles, which is why the car starts jumping off-road at a certain speed