Defense against drones: Russia and the new technology race

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Defense against drones: Russia and the new technology race

Yes, this is something eternal - a competition between defense and attack. Shield and sword, chain mail and arrow, armor and projectile, and so on. The emergence and development of a new type of weapon, namely the unmanned aerial vehicle, as expected after the first slight shock, gave rise to a wave of developments weapons against a new threat.

The fact that the UAV gained respect very quickly, and the kamikaze drone even faster, forced developers around the world to quickly get to work. After all, they understood perfectly well: a UAV is a complex target, which is very difficult to cope with.



Moreover, UAVs are much more difficult to detect than airplanes and helicopters: here you have the size, 80% plastic in the design, no thermal signature, and little noise. Moreover, it can fly at ultra-low altitudes, and even according to the program, that is, in complete radio silence.

And if you also consider that the first mass drones-kamikazes were (and are) made on the basis of Chinese civilian and very cheap devices, then we had to take a special look at the frequency field, because practically no one in the world was interested in the civilian range.

Everything really went right from the moment the events began in Donbass in 2014 and in Syria. In Donbass, in general, all communications were in the civilian range, and in general, civilian radios were a blessing at that time. And in Syria, terrorists, without even bothering, also used cell phones, so this “Wow, what a cool thing” addressed to “Resident” - this is very fair, because the electronic warfare station in the form of a trailer was guaranteed to jam the entire range from 100 to 1900 MHz within a radius of 20 km just completely. I personally witnessed this more than once. And no one had this at that time.


In general, the “330” family of Soviet-Russian development - I’ll tell you this, is a masterpiece that is unlikely to be surpassed by anyone.

Air defense, by the way, almost immediately “left the battle.” In reality, these complexes are intended for completely different purposes. What is a classic air defense system? This is a means of detecting and destroying aircraft, helicopters, cruise and ballistic (if it can) missiles. That is, quite decent-sized targets. And all these homing missiles, rather large (the same Thor 9M330 has a length of 2,89 m) and heavy against a device weighing 10 kg carrying an 82-mm mine? More sad than funny.


I don’t know what the 30mm projectile is, but I measured the 23mm projectile – 10,9 cm long. And “Mavic” (I have a “two”) is, roughly speaking, 17 x 18 cm. You understand what I mean. Here, even the Pantsir and Tunguska will have problems hitting such equipment with their barrels.

In general, as practice has shown, air defense in “trench warfare” is completely useless. And when FPV drones came into play, the air defense was simply blown away, because it was simply impossible to shoot down the small, fast and nimble dirty trick with explosives using conventional means. And MANPADS, despite their small size, were also unable to fight against drones. Mainly due to thermal seekers, which are simply useless against electric-powered drones.

And then, against a small drone with a grenade strapped to it, the weapon that was most effective against drones of trench warfare was used: trench electronic warfare.


Those using drones and minidrones have unwittingly given rise to a response in the form of manufacturers and developers of various variants of drone-piercing weapons. Including quite exotic ones, but basically all decisions came down to three areas:
- electromagnetic influence. Classic electronic warfare with a variety of interference, from jamming the control channel and electronic sensors, to impacts in the style of “adult” complexes that can burn out the electronic circuits of the device;
- optical impact. Blinding the drone's video camera with a laser or strobe has proven to be a very effective way to combat FPV drones;
- kinetic impact. Here we have trapping nets and special ammunition, something between shot and traumatic bullets.

The problem, however, was the need to protect large facilities such as warehouses and airfields from UAV raids, which required a huge number of personnel armed with anti-drone kits. And a massive attack by several dozen drones is still a fairly effective means of causing damage to the enemy.


If you send not 5-10, but 100 devices such as the T-HAWK tactical micro-drone, which is capable of carrying 1 kg of load, consisting of, for example, plastic explosives, to an important facility, then not a single security or defense force will be able to cope with this raid.

And we have a situation where a complex problem requires a complex solution, but there are more than enough prerequisites for its solution, as well as factors that impede the solution.

For example: you will not be able to destroy or neutralize a quadcopter if you do not detect it in time. And in order to detect it, you need to use all available methods, since none of them individually provides guaranteed detection. Plus, you need control that will tie together both the detection and destruction of enemy drones. That is, there is a need to create a comprehensive combat system equipped with both detection and destruction means.

And work in the world is already in full swing, especially where the military is aware that in the near future they may encounter problems similar to those that arose in the Northern Military District.

In my opinion, the most complete system The Turks were able to create. The Havelsan and Transvaro companies have created the DROKA/FEDAI drone detection and destruction system. In it, the developers were able to implement all the basic principles and requirements necessary to perform the tasks of detecting and countering UAVs.


The system consists of two components - detection means and means of counteraction or destruction. Depending on the type of potential threats, the manufacturer offers three basic versions of the system: against micro-drones, mini-drones and tactical UAVs.

The options differ from each other primarily in the composition and quantity of means for both detection and neutralization.

Detection

There is a whole subsystem here, because it includes several surveillance and reconnaissance means. The subsystem consists of as many as five detection tools:
- 3-coordinate radar with a range of up to 7 meters.
- Optical-electronic detector with a range of up to 6 m.
- Radio signal detector with a detection range of up to 3 m.
- LiDAR (Laser Radar) with a range of up to 2 m.
- Acoustic detector operating within a range of 200-500 m.

Here, each method used for detection is good in its own way, but it is not without its drawbacks. Radar provides a longer range, but its effectiveness is reduced for small targets depending on many reasons. Laser radar is very accurate, but within a shorter range and there are more interference factors for it, and so on. Therefore, all detectors must be used in combination precisely to ensure maximum efficiency.


TRV/903 3D Anti IHA Radar

This 3-axis Doppler radar can detect UAVs at a range of up to 7000 meters. Operates in the Ku-band frequency range. TRV/903, like an “adult” radar, provides a complete detection package: classification and determination of coordinates, tracking, transmission of information to the network or directly to performers. Radar is effective for detecting tactical UAVs, but for micro- and mini-drones the detection range decreases in proportion to the distance.


TRV/GUARD 021

The electro-optical system seems to be around-the-clock surveillance. Should provide automatic detection and tracking of moving targets, even in poor visibility conditions (smoke, fog). It has optical, thermal imaging and infrared surveillance channels, and a laser rangefinder.

A serious system, similar to that used on helicopters. Can confidently detect a target measuring 2,5 x 2,5 meters at a distance of up to 23 km. Of course, the system is more functional, and you can use it to search not only for drones.


Radio Signal Detector TRSA-U360

A passive sensor, or, if you don't want to show off, a receiver. Very sensitive, detecting radio signals in the range 300 - 6000 MHz. It is able to recognize the type of channel used (GSM, Wi-Fi, 5G) and determine its properties. For example, isolate a drone control channel from the air. The manufacturer guarantees precise operation at a distance of up to 3 meters. Remote control makes working with the receiver very comfortable and safe.


TRV/LDR-1000 LIDAR

A laser radar whose task is to detect targets that are difficult to detect by radar. In general, the designs of modern UAVs generously use various plastics and carbon fiber, which are absolutely transparent to radar. But the lidar, which works in exactly the same way, only “shoots” not with an EMR beam, but with a laser beam, sees a plastic drone just fine. Yes, from a shorter distance, but he sees!

The LDR-1000 detects a drone with a wingspan of 2 m at a distance of up to 2 meters, and for operation at night it has a built-in night camera, which allows you to very accurately recognize objects in the dark.


Acoustic detector

Sound detectors are arrays of directional microphones connected to a signal processing unit. Such a system can detect engine noise drone, determine its coordinates and direction of movement.

The range, of course, is no match for radars and lidars, no more than 500 meters, but there is one point: the cost of a microphone detector is much less than the cost of a radar or lidar. And if you take 8-10 microphones and analysis units, you can surround them around the perimeter of a fairly decent-sized object.

And one more thing - passive microphones will not interfere with other electronic devices at all.

Neutralization

To destroy UAVs, the DROKA / FEDAI system implements a number of technically original solutions: kamikaze drones, a microwave gun and a directional control channel suppression system. In fact, there is nothing new, the question is how everything is implemented.


FEDAI drone fighter launcher

Kamikaze-class fighter drone. Loitering ammunition powered by an electric motor with a folding wing. It reaches speeds of up to 100 km/h, can rise to a height of up to 1 meters and fly up to 200 km. The maximum flight time is 40 minutes, but if the drone does not find its target, then the parachute system comes into play, which gently lowers the device to the ground, and the beacon makes it easier to find the drone.

The Transvaro company managed to combine high-speed qualities and long stay in the air, that is, the drone is able to “wait” for its target if the guidance is difficult due to terrain or urban development.

There is evidence that within the framework of the same program, the FEDAI 103 drone is being designed with a flight altitude increased to 5000 meters and the ability to hit larger targets, such as helicopters.


Station TRV/EMG-7200

This station is nothing more than an HPEM (High Power ElectroMagnetic) emitter. A very significant development, the TRV/EMG-7200 emitter has sufficient power to work not only on individual objects, but also on areas, if such a term is applicable to airspace. By volume.

The operating range of the emitter is frankly small - up to 200 meters, but at this distance the mutated microwave is guaranteed to burn out the microcircuits in the brains of drones. Plus a very wide “firing” sector, up to 80 degrees.

Two modes, one is the electronic warfare familiar to us, which suppresses control channels and forces the drone to land in emergency mode, and the second, forced, burns the drone’s electronics with high-power electromagnetic pulses.


REP station TRADJ-02

This is an ordinary TRADJ-02 electronic jamming station for jamming control channels of commercial UAVs.
TRADJ-02, unlike TRV/EMG-7200, operates selectively, in a narrow sector, but over a long range, up to 2000 meters. The station jams the frequencies used to control commercial UAVs, which make kamikaze drones so well: 433 MHz, GSM in the 900 MHz and 1800 MHz bands, Wi-Fi 2400 MHz, GPS/GLONAS navigation and 5G networks 5700 - 5900 MHz.

This is what an integrated approach is. In fact, the operation of such a scheme can be very, very effective precisely due to the fact that there will be practically no “holes” in it. Of course, most likely, the Turkish strategy will focus on protecting significant objects from attacks by drones. Which ones? Yes, even Kurdish ones. There would be somewhere to send the drones, and there would always be someone to find.


In our case, it’s about the same, as the practice of the past year has shown; our protection against drone attacks is so-so. I don't mean expensive office buildings in Moscow, I mean airfields and oil depots. And so they need to be protected. It costs money? Of course yes. But if you try and limit our effective managers in some ways, then you can find money.

As for the eternal topic of “depletion of talents,” this is definitely not about us for now. There are people who work for the good of the Fatherland not for rewards or money. Especially when compared with their colleagues in the USA, they definitely work out of love for the country. We just need to combine the efforts of many NGOs that have already developed and are collecting everything.

The Ural Optical-Mechanical Plant makes luxurious optical-electronic gyro-stabilized optical observation systems. The Krasnogorsk Optical-Mechanical Plant also makes them.

NPO "Gorizont" in Rostov-on-Don produces the most beautiful radar surveillance complex "Rasska-NPB", which is head and shoulders above the Turkish model.


Our product recognizes a person from 3,5 km, and sees from a distance of 10 km. And the kit includes a radar, cameras, and a thermal imager.

NPO Kaysant in Moscow makes a simply wonderful Argus line. “Everything for the drone”, you can call it that.


"Argus-antidron" are in great demand and respect where they are very needed today. Next we will have a review of anti-drone guns, and in it the “Argus-antidron” or ARPA-600 will deservedly occupy one of the leading places simply because the designers beautifully solved a very important detail. Important for the operator, something that not many people think about.

The Turks elegantly assembled their “DROKA/FEDAI” components. Well done. The question is that we have everything, and we have it better than them. There is no point in discussing this fact at all simply because we still have an excellent engineering and design school. It's still there. And you just need to use the works of this school, creating systems that will provide an integrated approach to solutions for protecting objects on the territory of the country from such inconvenient targets as UAVs. You can look at what the Turks created. And assemble a much better complex that will be more effective. There would be a desire, as they say.
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  1. +2
    11 December 2023 04: 11
    Was the Turkish system on a real battlefield? Only then will it be possible to talk about its qualities, but for now it’s only a theory.
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  2. +2
    11 December 2023 04: 28
    . Even the Pantsir and Tunguska will have problems here, so slap on such equipment from their trunks.
    What to slap with? Regular ammunition - nothing! But they didn’t guess with buckshot, the affected area increases not several times, but many hundreds of times. It is useful to calculate everything at a serious mathematical level, and then the effectiveness of the defeat will increase.
    1. -1
      11 December 2023 07: 30
      Quote: venaya
      . Even the Pantsir and Tunguska will have problems here, so slap on such equipment from their trunks.
      What to slap with? Regular ammunition - nothing! But they didn’t guess with buckshot, the affected area increases not several times, but many hundreds of times. It is useful to calculate everything at a serious mathematical level, and then the effectiveness of the defeat will increase.

      Surely there is no standard grapeshot projectile for them. Is it possible to do this while maintaining the functionality of the automation? I’m not an expert, but I suspect that this is by no means easy or quick. And even if such a projectile appears tomorrow, the standard radars of the above-mentioned anti-aircraft guns will not detect any plastic small items on batteries, and they are quite capable of delivering a kilo of explosives to the anti-aircraft gun.
      And in general, the idea of ​​using a directed electromagnetic pulse to burn out the brains of drones or melt them with a laser is somehow more appealing, since there is no need to calculate the lead, for which measure the distance and speed of the target. Where I see, I shoot there, the impact is instantaneous.
      1. 0
        April 3 2024 09: 54
        “Brain burning” comes down to short range and indiscriminateness - and it will burn your electronics too.
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    3. +1
      11 December 2023 21: 40
      Why do you need buckshot if there are fragments and a high-explosive effect? It is necessary to make a controlled detonation and change the missiles to small ones, since they do not need to fly far. And take more of them. Artillery systems capable of shooting down single mines appeared in 2005. I think modern electronics can handle a drone too.
  3. +1
    11 December 2023 04: 43
    In general, there are no serious things against drones yet. And if you take into account the number of Drones, when they can spend a dozen on one fighter, it becomes completely sour.
    1. +2
      11 December 2023 04: 54
      Quote: certero
      So far there are no serious things against drones.
      What is the problem? , If you really need it, you can do it in a not very long time, you just have to come up with them constantly without stopping, because the development of not only the shield but also the sword also happens permanently. Here it seems that the only question is the organization of these processes. Classic of the genre: “generals are always preparing for the previous war” - it is advisable to remember this.
    2. +1
      11 December 2023 05: 58
      Quote: certero
      In general, there are no serious things against drones yet

      Several times there were reports of some unusual drone mines that should be on duty in the air and activated at the moment enemy air targets appear. Allegedly, even such a device has already been tested. But this is still all at the level of dubious news...
  4. +3
    11 December 2023 05: 27
    Quote: Corvair
    Was the Turkish system on a real battlefield? Only then will it be possible to talk about its qualities, but for now it’s only a theory.

    Was not was not important... our army must be ready to use it against our drones in any case in Ukraine... the Turks may well sell these systems to the Ukronazis.
    Now the world of drones and electronic warfare is experiencing a boom in its growth, both qualitatively and quantitatively... and falling behind in this technology race is like death.
    1. +2
      11 December 2023 05: 42
      But it seems that we are now one of the most experienced in combating all kinds of UAVs, as well as their use in real conditions, and we simply must make the most of this experience. This is not only our own defense, but also a good export item.
  5. +3
    11 December 2023 05: 36
    In my opinion, the Turks were able to create the most complete system.

    The question is that we have everything, and we have it better than them. There is no point in discussing this fact at all simply because we still have an excellent engineering and design school.

    The first quote from Skomorokhov is a super advertisement for the Turkish wunderwaffle. Well, the second - probably so that they wouldn’t say that the article was ordered...
    1. -1
      11 December 2023 05: 55
      The novel fit into the eternal questions: who is to blame and what to do.
      No question marks.
      And what did the “cats and queens” report to the modern “Beria-Tupolev-Mikoyan”? With a sign of questioning.
      What tasks did the hand-throwers set based on the Syrian experience and from Naryshkin? Rogozin did not see the UAV from space. Who should see them at 15-19?
      “You are on the right path, comrades” - this is about communism, the wrong task and R&D.
      On whom did the destruction of London depend and is now guaranteed (by non-military means)? Rebels skiing in Wales?
    2. 0
      11 December 2023 05: 56
      The novel fit into the eternal questions: who is to blame and what to do.
      No question marks.
      And what did the “cats and queens” report to the modern “Beria-Tupolev-Mikoyan”? With a sign of questioning.
      What tasks did the hand-throwers set based on the Syrian experience and from Naryshkin? Rogozin did not see the UAV from space. Who should see them at 15-19?
      “You are on the right path, comrades” - this is about communism, the wrong task and R&D.
      On whom did the destruction of London depend and is now guaranteed (by non-military means)? Rebels skiing in Wales?
      Destroying the enemy's plans is cheaper than creating them
  6. +2
    11 December 2023 06: 41
    one thing is already clear - the entire system and methodology of conducting combined arms combat, as we imagined it before the start of the Northern Military District, has gone down the drain... now, in order to destroy enemy manpower, it is much cheaper to rivet FPV drones and attack each fighter individually... even if you spend for each kamikaze drone fighter it will still be much cheaper than trying to destroy him with artillery, tanks, or even more so with small arms... there was information that Russia produced 400 thousand drones in September... if they don’t lie and even if they spend 2 drones for each dry land, then the Ukrainian army would have already been completely destroyed..
    1. 0
      11 December 2023 07: 38
      Quote: Krilion
      there was information that Russia produced 400 thousand drones in September... if they don’t lie, and even if they spent 2 drones on each drone, then the Ukrainian army would have already been completely destroyed..

      The batteries for such drones last well for half an hour, usually less. While it flew over the front line, while it got its bearings... And if during this time none of the opponents went from the dugout to the toilet, then the drone fell, and it’s good if it self-destructed and didn’t fall into their clutches intact.
      1. -2
        11 December 2023 07: 44
        Quote: Nagan
        The batteries for such drones last only half an hour

        Usually drones have internal combustion engines...
  7. 0
    11 December 2023 07: 45
    What kind of compressor is in the 5th photo, with the numbers “3”?
    Will they laugh, or what kind of UFO is this?
    1. +1
      11 December 2023 14: 44
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/RQ-16_T-Hawk
      Weight, kg - 6,6
      Engine type - internal combustion engine
      Power, hp - 6
      Maximum speed, km / h - 81
      Ceiling - 3200 m
      Practical range, - km 11
      Flight duration - 40 minutes

      I wonder how he keeps his balance?
      In general, all drones have a theoretical weak point - the vestibular apparatus.
      It is most likely implemented using gyro sensors. I wish I could find a way to disable them...
      1. +1
        April 26 2024 11: 35
        Powerful Ultrasound? Piezoelements.
        Surely something working has already been put together. Follow the link to attack the gyroscope (the same on drones) of a smartphone.
        https://xakep.ru/2018/07/17/ultrasound-attack/
        Respect for the train of thought.
        The immediate question is whether the gyroscope can be used to protect the perimeter, when a beacon sensor nearby starts screaming as something flies by.
        1. 0
          April 26 2024 11: 44
          Quote: vvi1978

          The immediate question is whether the gyroscope can be used to protect the perimeter, when a beacon sensor nearby starts screaming as something flies by.

          The gyroscope reacts to changes in the position of the body on which this sensor is rigidly fixed. In theory, it should not react to something flying nearby. Unless it's something flying past, this sensor won't shake. Inductive sensors are designed for this, similar to those found in car alarms.
  8. +1
    11 December 2023 09: 36
    Quote: venaya
    What to slap with? Regular ammunition - nothing! But they didn’t guess with buckshot

    But there is no need to whistle! There are 30-mm multi-element (shrapnel) shells, and 23-mm similar shells... Yes... they have drawbacks, because they are made “simply, in the old way,” but they can be modified using modern technology! And this can be done much faster than developing from scratch! So, before you “get indignant”, learn the “mathematical part”!
    1. +1
      11 December 2023 14: 25
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      There are 30-mm multi-element (shrapnel) shells, and 23-mm similar shells... Yes... they have drawbacks, because they are made “simply, in the old way,” but they can be modified using modern technology! And this can be done much faster than developing from scratch!
      Look at the following post from "ColdWind" - there seems to be a smarter option:
      Quote from cold wind
      it really works here and now complexes with radar and OLS + 30 mm autocannons with controlled detonation, MANPADS with a combined UV/IR head, controlled by an ATGM/UAV operator.
      . And the disadvantage is only an increase in cost, but it is not clear which ultimately turns out to be more profitable. I think that to begin with it is better to use the cheapest options with subsequent gradual complications. The only important thing is that everything was extremely fast and also cheap.
  9. +2
    11 December 2023 10: 19
    The Turks are moving into the mainstream of the “West”. More interesting are the counter-drone systems being implemented by the United States. What really works here and now are complexes with radar and OLS + 30 mm autocannons with controlled detonation, MANPADS with a combined UV/IR head, controlled by an ATGM/UAV operator.
    1. 0
      6 February 2024 01: 17
      Quote from cold wind

      More interesting are the counter-drone systems being implemented by the United States. What really works here and now are complexes with radar and OLS + 30 mm autocannons with controlled detonation, MANPADS with a combined UV/IR head, controlled by an ATGM/UAV operator.


      How much does a UAV weigh and is it controlled by one person?
      How much do radars and OLS + 30 mm autocannons weigh and how many people control them?
      Which target is more important and interesting: one fighter with a drone or a unit with radar and radar + 30 mm autocannons?
      Maybe an armored train can also be deployed against a UAV?
      But it is believed that this is the most effective solution to the problem.
      Electronic warfare on the battlefield is also not visible and has the same disadvantages: bulkiness, massiveness and difficulty in operation.
      It is not at all clear how a heat-seeking MANPADS can work in principle with drones with electric motors.
      And it turns out to be a lot of words, but no action.
  10. +3
    11 December 2023 11: 51
    In the standard equipment of units (I would take a squad) in place with an anti-drone gun, I would use a shotgun. The UAV is not such a difficult target to hit at close range
    1. +2
      11 December 2023 14: 19
      Quote: APASUS
      I would use a shotgun. A UAV is not such a difficult target to hit at close range
      Today, the UAV is already moving painfully fast, the human reaction speed (no faster than 0,15 seconds) is clearly not enough here. It follows that at a minimum it is desirable to use automatic small-caliber guns and, in general, it is desirable that they operate in automatic mode in conjunction with some inexpensive compact radar. Such an inexpensive complex can be installed on any moving object, for example on any car. and more.
      1. 0
        11 December 2023 15: 54
        Quote: venaya
        Today, the UAV is already moving painfully fast, the human reaction speed (no faster than 0,15 seconds) is clearly not enough here.

        To drop into a trench, the UAV stops and takes aim.
        If this weapon saves at least one life, that’s enough.
        1. 0
          11 December 2023 19: 09
          Quote: APASUS
          To drop into a trench, the UAV stops and takes aim.
          If this weapon saves at least one life, that’s enough.

          The trenches can be covered with special shields made of suitable material that will protect from small fragments, from bad weather and, most importantly, from detection equipment installed on the drone,
          1. 0
            12 December 2023 08: 25
            Quote: agond
            The trenches can be covered with special shields made of suitable material that will protect from small fragments, from bad weather and, most importantly, from detection equipment installed on the drone,

            The trenches are different and so are the conditions. You occupied other people’s trenches and they turned out to be unequipped
  11. +1
    12 December 2023 04: 05
    I'm missing several aspects of the analysis:

    1) The number and autonomy of drones will only increase over time. Especially in trench battles, you need good enemy-friend recognition - for both drones and troops. After all, they don't want to shoot down their own drones or be attacked by their neural networks.

    2) According to nature, the electromagnetic fields in the near field of the transmitter are especially strong - if you want to burn electronics at a distance of 1 km, your own brain will eat you at a distance of 10 m. It is not for nothing that cats cannot be dried in a microwave oven - so the maintenance personnel need protection.
  12. 0
    12 December 2023 21: 49
    Quote: Krilion
    one thing is already clear - the entire system and methodology of conducting combined arms combat, as we imagined it before the start of the Northern Military District, has gone down the drain... now, in order to destroy enemy manpower, it is much cheaper to rivet FPV drones and attack each fighter individually... even if you spend for each kamikaze drone fighter it will still be much cheaper than trying to destroy him with artillery, tanks, or even more so with small arms... there was information that Russia produced 400 thousand drones in September... if they don’t lie and even if they spend 2 drones for each dry land, then the Ukrainian army would have already been completely destroyed..

    In fact, they spend 10 drones on one fighter. But in any case, somehow they don’t sound cynical, they still sound more profitable than shooting at squares
  13. 0
    12 December 2023 23: 08
    We urgently need to work on drone fighters.
    Like perimeter guards with an internal combustion engine,
    and battery-powered interceptors. In a bundle.
    Something like border guards with dogs.
  14. 0
    13 December 2023 01: 10
    The attitude towards the sky and the place must change. The threat from the sky has become much closer, and the trench is no longer hidden as before - you can’t even pretend to be a corpse if the thermal imager flies up. There must be individual means and equipment for positions.
    A systemic analysis of the situation must be raised to another level. In the past, there was a hunt for officers, but now any specialist is being brought into the same focus of attention. The level of awareness must become more operational both at the location of the unit and between them. In other words, the same challenges of network-centric combat.
    The attitude towards infantry losses, training work and discipline should also be reconsidered - more real-world experience will help change the emphasis and create the interest of experienced and green ones.
    1. 0
      13 December 2023 01: 19
      and in the first photo the cameraman is selling the beautiful idea of ​​war without ammunition. a vertical with a payday would solve the problem with good visual control. a collimator and a decent smoothbore + a platoon "Yakut" - it is not necessary to impose it on everyone, but do we have the ability to implement it without red tape?
      1. 0
        13 December 2023 18: 10
        when dropping on your head from a height of 50 meters or more, the vertical with a paycheck will not help much. Even if you aim normally, small shot will lose energy and most likely will not cause much damage to the plastic case. If you use buckshot, you still have to hit it - there will be fewer buckshots. And where to aim with a collimator is also a question that requires the right solution; the ballistics when shooting vertically upward will not be what they expected when shooting the collimator horizontally.
        1. 0
          13 December 2023 19: 35
          Yes, and a pump or semi-automatic will be better than a vertical one if you use it
        2. 0
          16 December 2023 20: 42
          I specifically referred to the picture in the advertisement; next to it, another bespectacled man demonstrates how he can shoot a beam with his hands and Garina. The question was about flexibility in decision making and the ability to perceive reality.
          In my opinion, the first thing DB has done is personal audio indicators of the presence of a drone in the area. The second is automated tracking points in the IR-UV-visible range. At this point, the interception issue can already be refined to an optimal solution. The fact is that direction finding is a system solution. Detection and prevention are more important in terms of solution quality.
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            16 December 2023 20: 54
            People have been making personal drone detectors for a year now privately on the main frequency ranges. Well, Chinese industrial ones also sell at outrageous prices. in just another year the state will get around to it (apparently they are growing from the right place). They will make a serial personal detector for a hundred or another thousand, while their price from homemade craftsmen is 20-30K. This is a really big plus - a convenient personal detector. Especially considering ambush tactics when the copter is planted in the bushes in advance and kept in touch until the moment of takeoff and attack. But what to shoot down is a separate topic. It seems to me that the solution should also be some kind of simple standard firearm. something like a mortar on the barrel of a machine gun, only throwing not a grenade, but, for example, a projectile that reveals at some distance a thin, durable and relatively large net. and try to work with such a thing. At least look for a solution in this direction. so that it is simple, understandable and works with standard weapons
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              5 January 2024 04: 51
              An anti-drone gun, like any wearable firearm (smoothbore, mortika, etc.) against drones, is always a “hit or miss” probability, “the battery was enough or did not have time to charge”, “whether the drone was noticed in time or not, at this time rested, slept, ate, pooped." This is not reliable, depends on the individual and is not a system solution. Now there is a personal drone detector Bulat developed by A. Filatov’s group. I’m sure it can be combined with a portable electronic warfare station, which are now sold for 400-500 thousand rubles. Russian-made, and serve to suppress the standard frequencies of FPV drones, Mavikov and GPS, Glonass signals. The drone detector went off - the electronic warfare station launched automatically and suppressed the drone. The drone fell, the drone detector went silent, and the electronic warfare station turned off. The generator must operate 24/7 while there is a threat of attack by drones to ensure instant launch of the electronic warfare station.
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                5 January 2024 12: 53
                When a group is moving, you can’t carry a running generator with you. at stationary points where there are no problems with electricity, such things should work. but the conversation was more about individual fighters outside such places equipped with generators
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    6 February 2024 00: 34
    If there is a single, or even more massive, raid, only electronic warfare equipment. Put on stream. It’s just who will create them. Lawyers, managers, accountants and others have multiplied like cockroaches... In the former country, with its powerful military-industrial complex and science, the issue would have been closed quickly. I feel sorry for the people.
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    April 3 2024 09: 50
    The author first writes about countering massive raids of 100 kamikaze drones on warehouses in the near rear, and then advertises a Turkish complex for protecting oil refineries from a raid by several aircraft-type drones controlled by Starlink.
    It is strange that the author does not see this contradiction.