They tore the cables and broke the hooks: how they pulled out the captured Bradley and how it will be useful

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They tore the cables and broke the hooks: how they pulled out the captured Bradley and how it will be useful

Well, our military can really be congratulated. After all, the American Bradley infantry fighting vehicle was added to the list of trophies for the first time.

Yes, for the first time, since previously heard statements about the seizure of these overseas products seem to have been empty talk - not a single photo, not a single video was published. And this is despite everyone having smartphones, even at the front.



In this case, everything is documented: the car posed in front of television cameras, appeared on the televisions of millions of Russians, and is now being actively studied by curious technicians from the Center group. Although its final route is more than clear, it seems that specialists from Kurganmash, the Steel Research Institute and, possibly, Uralvagonzavod have an interest in it. But more on that later.

This “Bradley”, immobilized during a Ukrainian attack somewhere in the Avdeevsky direction at the end of November, was given a very hard life. Moreover, we are talking not so much about the clash itself - there is no question about it - but about evacuation and attempts to pull this aluminum-steel fat thing out of its place.

And this was not without incident.

After being hit by a shell (as they say in the media, from a grenade launcher), the infantry fighting vehicle lost speed and was abandoned by its crew in the area exactly between the Ukrainian and Russian positions. Place for artillerymen on both sides, targeted, in the air Drones - in general, the situation is such that neither the Ukrainians nor ours can approach the car.

But ours, having previously reconnoitered the situation with the help drones and taking advantage of the fortunately descending fog in time, they decided to pull.

The captured Bradley infantry fighting vehicle is already far behind the front line. Source: telegram channel “VELES writes quietly”
The captured Bradley infantry fighting vehicle is already far behind the front line. Source: Telegram channel “VELES writes quietly”

It turned out, of course, not at all the first time, and not without problems.

The cables were torn, the towing hook broke off, the vehicle, which had lost its mobility, was buried in the mud, and there were some shellings and injuries.

In general, the amount of effort it took to drag the Bradley was eloquently written in the Telegram channel “VELES writes quietly.” Let's give the full text, because retelling, as they say, will only spoil it.

The first attempts to pull out the Bradley were unsuccessful, and now the task came to our fighter.

They gave us an ARV with a crew, and under the cover of fog the group moved to the point. The route lay through the “road of death,” as the soldiers dubbed it, since a section more than a kilometer long is clearly visible from the AKHZ: there are constantly drones in the sky that adjust the artillery, kamikazes fly in a swarm, covering everyone indiscriminately. It was difficult to walk along this road on foot, not to mention heavy equipment, which was already being hunted.

The first time, as already said, it was not possible to pull it out... The barefoot "Bradley" sat tightly in the mud, the cables were breaking and the tow hooks were flying off, the enemy also heard the rumble of the ARV, there was little time, and we had to return with nothing.

The enemy, understanding the plan, apparently remotely, mined the road. On the next attempt, the ARV ran over a mine, the cumulative jet burned through the bottom behind the driver and rushed into the open hatch above it, slightly catching his thigh... The group dismounted and moved away from the damaged vehicle.

That's when the disco started. The enemy attempted to thoroughly burn the equipment and rolled out the tank, the first explosion occurred behind the retreating group, several more shells landed in the direction of the immobilized equipment, but there were no hits. When everything calmed down, the group set out to inspect the equipment, the driver, using dances with a tambourine and blue electrical tape, started the tractor and returned it to the base.

The next attempt was on two more powerful tractors, and the matter got off the ground. On the “road of death,” a kamikaze drone flew right over the cables between the vehicles and fell on the side of the road without detonating.

The group with the trophy confidently walked to the rear.

They went to the rear and dragged the trophy with them. For this, the evacuation participants received the Order of Courage - a well-deserved award, because the value of this “piece of hardware on tracks” is enormous in terms of information. However, here it is better to say that it is not just huge, but paramount.

The fact that foreign equipment not only perishes in battle, which is quite expected for the West, but also falls into the hands of the Russian military serves as a good propaganda factor. First of all, for our general public: the people see that the army is fighting, destroying enemy armor and even capturing it as trophies. Moreover, if this armor is of American origin, there is not a very good attitude towards it in Russia, almost at the genetic level.

Captured Bradley infantry fighting vehicle in a report from Channel One
Captured Bradley infantry fighting vehicle in a report from Channel One

Here the exhibition of captured weapons in Moscow comes to mind - the Bradley will definitely end up there after being studied by specialists. She had been booked for a ticket to the Patriot Park ever since our soldiers loaded her onto a trawl and took her “in an unknown direction.”

As for the technical part of the question, namely: how will the machine be useful to our engineers and other researchers, the answer is unlikely to be unambiguous. Still, the most valuable thing about the Bradley is the communication and navigation systems.

Let us recall that in its full version, the infantry fighting vehicle was equipped with equipment for connecting the vehicle to a unified automated command and control system FBCB2, including the TACNAV tactical navigation system, which included a GPS receiver and a digital compass with the location displayed on the display to the commander and coordinates to the driver.

Navigation complex TACNAV for light equipment
Navigation complex TACNAV for light equipment

In theory, access to these components could lift the veil of secrecy over the unified information space used by the US military for interaction between military branches, transmission of orders and messages, awareness of the tactical situation and other matters inherent in a digitalized army.

But, judging by the special care taken in the selection of military equipment sent by overseas partners to Kyiv, these components may not exist - at least, the Ukrainian Abrams certainly do not have them, to say nothing of the infantry fighting vehicles. In any case, as they say, an autopsy will show.

Regarding the rest of the equipment: they will get acquainted with it and issue relevant publications for internal use - that’s for sure. But to apply the acquired knowledge almost by direct copying is very unlikely. Although quite a lot of such versions have appeared on the Internet in recent days.

Captured Bradley IFV. Source: telegram channel “Work, brothers!”
Captured Bradley IFV. Source: Telegram channel “Work, brothers!”

Firstly, there is no need to devalue our military-industrial complex - it is not at such a terrible level that any piece of equipment that comes across as a trophy is priceless and must be copied.

Secondly, oddly enough, in order to copy something from military technologies, a fantastically developed industry is required, which can quickly master this very copying in a large series. Especially if these are thermal imagers and other high-tech components.

So all sorts of sights, observation devices and other electronics are those gizmos that, most likely, will simply be taken on a pencil or will use only some of the ideas of Western designers. Moreover, we have enough of our own advanced developments of this kind, as well as problems of introducing them into mass production for the needs of the military.

Suffice it to recall the modernized BMP-3 with the Vityaz digital fire control system: automated generation of corrections for firing, thermal imaging panoramic sights/surveillance devices for the commander and gunner, automatic tracking of air and ground targets, the ability to integrate into a unified troop control network. A modern gentleman's kit for a combat vehicle, head and shoulders above the electronics in the captured Bradley, which didn't even have a normal commander's panorama, but it never went into production.

Upgraded BMP-3 with the Vityaz system
Upgraded BMP-3 with the Vityaz system

This, by the way, also applies to the engine with transmission - the interest in them will be purely theoretical. Various experts have already spoken about this more than once, repeating with the refrain that nothing useful can be extracted from the captured object in this regard. It’s worth agreeing with this: there’s not much to talk about here about borrowing technology, given the established production process of a range of engines and transmissions for domestic infantry fighting vehicles.

With armor and weapons the situation is somewhat different.

The Bradley has no special secrets regarding its armor, or rather, no surprising discoveries are expected for those examining the vehicle. It consists of an aluminum armor alloy at the base and steel screens, the presence of which has been known for a long time, since we are talking about a very old vehicle. Especially considering that similar protection schemes are used in the production of domestic infantry fighting vehicles, and options for the location and quantitative ratio of steel sheets to aluminum armor were studied back in Soviet times.

This is still not a tank with high-tech armor protection packages, which require special attention for further improvement of domestic armor-piercing ammunition. But they will probably not refuse to shoot at it in order to test its durability against small-caliber cannons and machine guns, which will help draw conclusions about the real capabilities of this weapon against American armor.

And if the trophy was equipped with fully equipped BRAT dynamic protection, then cumulative ammunition will also be used. The result for tandem projectiles will be obvious in any case and will end sadly for explosive “bricks”, but monoblock ones are worth checking - which ones penetrate and which ones don’t, you need to find out. Especially in comparison with our own dynamic defense, the need for which became greatly aggravated with the beginning of the SVO.

It is also possible that they will shoot from the surviving Bradley weapons at our vehicles or armor simulators in order to determine their durability - the 25-mm Bushmaster, if it is in working order and with ammunition, whatever one may say, is not the most common catch, in contrast to anti-tank missiles, of which quite a few were captured. Which will make it possible to find out the relevance of domestic steel and aluminum against Western armor-piercing small-caliber projectiles. True, for the most part, the standard for testing the durability of armor was previously 30-mm machine guns, but if you turned up a full-scale sample straight from the manufacturer, then why not.

The rear of a captured Bradley infantry fighting vehicle. Source: telegram channel “Work, brothers!”
The rear of a captured Bradley infantry fighting vehicle. Source: Telegram channel “Work, brothers!”

Well, in general, the Bradley will most likely be dealt with exactly the same way as was done after testing foreign equipment in the USSR. They will test it out and fully describe all the conveniences of the product, its technical advantages or disadvantages, layout solutions, motion control capabilities, and the like. Something will be recommended for implementation into production somewhere in the near or foreseeable future. But that's where it all ends.
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  1. +36
    9 December 2023 04: 10
    I myself have been working as a developer of (non-military) equipment for many years, so I perfectly understand the value of such a gift for developers and designers of military equipment. I agree with the author of the article, direct borrowing is unlikely to follow, but getting acquainted with the competitors’ equipment is worth a lot! Well done to our fighters who were able to steal a valuable trophy from the enemy! I don’t understand why the non-brothers couldn’t pull the delusions out of neutral: either they didn’t have suitable tow trucks, or they didn’t have enough desire!
    1. +15
      9 December 2023 05: 19
      Quote from Andy_nsk
      I don’t understand why the non-brothers couldn’t get the non-brothers out of neutral: either they didn’t have suitable tow trucks, or they didn’t have enough desire!

      Maybe they didn’t want to become living targets for our TOSs and Lancets?
      It turned out, of course, not at all the first time, and not without problems.
      The cables were torn, the tow hook broke off, the vehicle, which had lost its mobility, was buried in the mud, and it didn’t happen without shelling and injuries.

      During the night march, we “got lost” (lost the road) and drove into salt marshes. They tore the winches, tore out the hook, and then sat and waited until the morning, until the wise “zampotekh” arrived, took out a block and showed how to pull out an armored personnel carrier stuck in the mud (lying on its “belly”)... This is where we remembered Newton with his blocks and how he alone pulled out a ship that had run aground...
      1. 0
        9 December 2023 09: 38
        Judging by the photo
        broke the hooks

        On our ARVs
        am it's a mess, it won't work
      2. +7
        9 December 2023 15: 26
        This is where we remembered Newton with his blocks and how he alone pulled out a ship that had run aground...
        It is unlikely that this was the head of His Royal Majesty's mint and the Head of the British Royal Society (their Academy of Sciences is still called that). Most likely, this was done by Archimedes in Syracuse.
        1. +5
          9 December 2023 18: 00
          Quote: Aviator_
          It is unlikely that this was the head of the mint of His Royal

          That's right, these were the tricks of Archimedes...I can't even understand why Newton came to mind? Maybe because of the apple I was chewing?
          Deep “mercy” to you... feel
          1. +1
            9 December 2023 18: 15
            Maybe because of the apple I was chewing?
            And if Newton had chewed it up, then the law of universal gravitation would have had to wait for an unknown amount of time. I think that Isaac was under the apple tree without a wig, otherwise a decision would not have been reached.
            But if Syracuse had not been an ally of Carthage, then Archimedes would have lived longer. But history does not have a subjunctive mood.
    2. +4
      9 December 2023 05: 19
      Quote from Andy_nsk
      to get acquainted with competitors' equipment - it's worth a lot!

      If only I could read the technical documentation for this car, it would cost even more! And the fighters who pulled out this technique should certainly be rewarded!
      1. -6
        9 December 2023 08: 41
        So what's the question? Throw out a cry, we'll give everyone a refund on travel allowances, you go to the company and buy all the documentation from it.
      2. +3
        9 December 2023 09: 36
        Have it examined by specialists, but before sending it to the museum, leave it for a day in front of one embassy in Moscow. Let them admire it.
      3. +4
        9 December 2023 10: 52
        And the fighters who pulled out this technique should certainly be rewarded!

        The article says that they were awarded the “Order of Courage”.
      4. +3
        11 December 2023 11: 24
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        If only I could read the technical documentation for this car, it would cost even more!

        You just need to arrange constructive discussion on the Snail forum regarding the underestimation of the Bradley's performance characteristics - and wait for the "end users" to post the documentation themselves. laughing
        This has already worked many times - in the heat of discussion, opponents laid out bulletin boards on the second Challenger, on the AMX-56, on the F-16,
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    4. +1
      9 December 2023 09: 32
      I don’t understand why the non-brothers couldn’t pull the nonsense out of neutral

      It’s unclear why the Ukrainians didn’t finish it off so that ours wouldn’t get it.
      1. Alf
        +1
        9 December 2023 18: 36
        Quote: Popandos
        I don’t understand why the non-brothers couldn’t pull the nonsense out of neutral

        It’s unclear why the Ukrainians didn’t finish it off so that ours wouldn’t get it.

        So as not to go to our rear on the next detour.
      2. +1
        18 December 2023 00: 45
        They tried, they poked at it with drones, but Bradley’s armor survived, oddly enough.
    5. Uno
      0
      9 December 2023 19: 41
      What could be useful there now? They just wrote here that the BMP-3 is the top, and not all your nonsense https://topwar.ru/207950-m2-bradley-protiv-bmp-3-potencialnoe-protivostojanie-na-ukraine.html
  2. +2
    9 December 2023 04: 14
    But if you turn up full-scale sample directly from the manufacturer, then why not -

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    — Will help domestic producers...
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  3. +9
    9 December 2023 04: 36
    handsome guys who pulled off the operation. And as an option, an edification for descendants... Don’t be afraid and do your job
  4. +11
    9 December 2023 05: 01
    I’m interested in calculating all sorts of nuances on the Bradley with a stopwatch... well, for example, how many seconds does it take for the ammunition to be emptied, the time for a new stockpile, the time for turning the turret, the time for turning the body of the vehicle 360 ​​degrees in the mud, real off-road capability, the angle of inclination of the body for shooting by purpose, what malfunctions arise during operation, what level of education you need to have to operate the machine and many other factors influencing its use in combat conditions.
  5. Eug
    +10
    9 December 2023 05: 19
    I remember that on 08.08.08, a complete field communications system on five Humvees was captured (judging by reports). Then they wrote that in order to maintain the closure of communications, the Amers needed to radically redo it. I wonder if they remade it or not? I haven’t read any messages about any special successes in wiretapping Ukrainian negotiations. However, it’s better to listen to it than write about it. Respect to the guys, both those who knocked it out, and those who pulled it out, and in general to everyone who was there. ..
    PS it looks like the communication system is from 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. made in Odessa...
    1. +1
      9 December 2023 15: 30
      I wonder if they remade it or not?
      Most likely it was redone. Just like ours, we had to redo the friend-or-foe system in 1976 after the hijacking of the MiG-25 to the Japs.
      1. +1
        9 December 2023 17: 41
        Now it's all easier. They reprogrammed the microcircuits and that’s it. There is no need to change or solder anything. As a last resort, replace the key chip. In banking, remote access of an enterprise to its current account is widely used. In this case, an electronic signature is used, which is very difficult to forge; practically no such cases have been heard of.
    2. Alf
      +1
      9 December 2023 18: 37
      Quote: Eug
      Looks like the communication system from 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. made in Odessa...

      On Malaya Arnautskaya?
  6. +6
    9 December 2023 05: 25
    The Bradley has no special secrets regarding its armor.

    I wonder if this vehicle was delivered to Ukraine directly from American warehouses intended for the US Army or is this equipment from their allies? I ask because export options are usually different from those that are directly in their armed forces
  7. 0
    9 December 2023 05: 35
    How could it be possible to remove this navigation system and not risk equipment and people. So besides electronics, nothing else is of interest.
    1. Alf
      +1
      9 December 2023 18: 38
      Quote: zontov79
      How could one remove this navigation system and not risk equipment and people?

      In neutral it’s like doing it like two fingers on the asphalt... It’s not funny.
  8. -6
    9 December 2023 05: 39
    The mattresses sang songs about their exclusivity for so long that they themselves believed in these songs. Otherwise, they would NOT, UNDER ANY SAUCE, send their equipment into a real battle with an equal opponent. Euro-Gean - as much as you like, then howl - “you see, what a disgusting thing, not like ours! Having no analogues in the world! (TM)”
    But there have been no brains there for a long time, as well as direct hands, so they sent crookedly made junk, in full confidence that the wild Russians, just seeing these relics of the American military-industrial complex, will run away into holes...
    We're at war with the de Bills *facepalm*
    1. +3
      9 December 2023 12: 34
      They never considered us equal opponents. They despise and mock our technology, consider us barbarians and savages. If it weren't for nuclear weapons, they would have attacked long ago.
      1. 0
        10 December 2023 15: 44
        Quote: Kmon
        They despise and mock our technology, consider us barbarians and savages

        Well, our technology has also been studied for a long time. Either tanks or S-300. Perhaps even some of the aircraft delivered for export
    2. 0
      11 December 2023 11: 31
      Quote from Bingo
      The mattresses sang songs about their exclusivity for so long that they themselves believed in these songs. Otherwise, they would NOT, UNDER ANY SAUCE, send their equipment into a real battle with an equal opponent. Euro-Gean - as much as you like, then howl - “you see, what a disgusting thing, not like ours! Having no analogues in the world! (TM)”

      This is the point of view of politicians.
      But the point of view of the army and the military-industrial complex is completely opposite - send the equipment, wait until they burn it and start Yaroslavna crying: "You see, in what horror we will have to fight with red Russians, give, give, give money for rearmament. Otherwise Ivan will come and take everything away".
      So, from the point of view of the military-industrial complex, destroyed American equipment is the best advertisement for the need to increase funding for the military-industrial complex.
  9. +8
    9 December 2023 06: 01
    It certainly makes sense to study it. But it’s a pity to shell, it’s still a single exhibit, and its place is in Kubinka. And it is quite possible to test those with Ukrainian crew inside by shelling, so to speak, in combination with the utilization of enemy manpower.
  10. +4
    9 December 2023 06: 29
    It’s clear - dragging a multi-ton vehicle out of the mud is not an easy task, like a “Hippopotamus from the swamp”, and the hooks broke, and the cables were torn, and there were shellings and there was little time - but the guys managed it using the means at hand. The trophy is very valuable because it is the main NATO armored personnel carrier and is in service with many of its countries. The award for our specialists is well deserved...
    1. 0
      9 December 2023 15: 16
      When did Bradley manage to retrain from an infantry fighting vehicle to an armored personnel carrier?
    2. 0
      10 December 2023 12: 17
      It is only in service with the United States and the Persian Gulf. Far from being the main NATO vehicle, in Europe each country has its own infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, and the main NATO tank is also the Leopard 2, only the USA and the Poles have Abrams. hi
      This does not negate the significance of the trophy and the heroism of the fighters who obtained it! soldier good The knowledge gained can be useful to us and various comrades in other parts of the planet laughing
  11. +4
    9 December 2023 06: 40
    It would be interesting to read an analysis of the layout. Many note that the survival rate of crews of Western equipment is higher, but it is easier to get into them.
    1. +7
      9 December 2023 07: 22
      Pay attention to the photo at the back winked Remember the howls about the fact that the seats for the landing force must be attached to the ceiling, otherwise if there is an explosion under the bottom it will hit the railway. so what breaks the spine? Well, in the photo Bradley has the seats on the bottom. And there was a stink, a stink!
      1. +1
        10 December 2023 09: 41
        I'm also surprised by this photo. It seems they just said that Bradley had chairs attached to the ceiling, but it turned out to be like this. The statements about Bradley's better mine resistance are unclear. The chairs will knock your ass off. The cumulative mine will pierce right through the bottom. The old TM-62, and even the weak PTM, completely destroys the chassis. The PTMs just blew up the Bradleys in the famous videos of the counterattack, you can see a weak explosion. Our infantry fighting vehicles and Western ones are the same crystal guns.
      2. +1
        10 December 2023 15: 46
        Quote from Bingo
        Pay attention to the photo at the back winked Remember the howls about the fact that the seats for the landing force must be attached to the ceiling, otherwise if there is an explosion under the bottom it will hit the railway. so what breaks the spine? Well, in the photo Bradley has the seats on the bottom. And there was a stink, a stink!

        This is a shaggy Bradley, from storage.
    2. +3
      9 December 2023 08: 12
      Many note that the survivability of crews of Western vehicles is higher, but it is easier to get into them.


      The first is a fact, there are a lot of videos on the Internet about how, after Bradley is hit by a mine or ATGM, most of the landing party manages to leave the vehicle and pull out the wounded; our MTLB and infantry fighting vehicles, unfortunately, burn much faster and often leave no chance for both the crew and the landing force, due to the dense line-up, no matter where you hit our vehicle, you will end up either in the tank or in the used vehicle, and this leads to the instant destruction of equipment and the death of people.

      The second is a myth, and Bradley and BMP - 1/2/3 are equally successfully hit by tanks and ATGMs under similar conditions, it makes no difference what they shoot at, modern reconnaissance and surveillance equipment, under equal conditions, will detect these vehicles at the same distances, The effective firing range of RPGs of different models is a maximum of 150-250 meters, try again to approach the enemy’s equipment at such a distance, and if it works, then it doesn’t make much difference whether it’s a Bradley or a BMP-3 to shoot at.

      If there was a choice of what to go into battle between the BMP-3 and the Bradley, I would choose the Bradley. This is an honest answer, I’m not a fan of the West and everything Western, I’m just evaluating a combat vehicle.
      1. +5
        9 December 2023 09: 04
        Or maybe with arguments. Why would you choose Bradley?
        It even became interesting. I would definitely choose BMP 3.
        1. -2
          10 December 2023 05: 16
          Garik? Redwaith?
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        2. +2
          10 December 2023 15: 49
          Quote: garri-lin
          Or maybe with arguments. Why would you choose Bradley?

          They gave you an argument - the crew survives. And the crew rode the BMP3 from the outside, on armor
          1. 0
            10 December 2023 17: 38
            I agree on two-room and one-room apartments. But about three rubles, there is a controversial statement about riding on armor.
            This is the first. Second. And statistics is possible. Indicating when, where and how the vehicles were hit and whether the crew survived or died.
          2. -1
            18 December 2023 00: 41
            There is simply no room inside on the BMP-3
        3. -1
          18 December 2023 00: 39
          BMP-3 is very inconvenient for landing. There's simply no room in it. The 100 mm gun is a good thing, but dubious. Sitting on a powder magazine behind such armor? I think this gun is only used when you need to shoot something. In all other cases, the ammunition is unloaded. The armor is thin. The 30 mm gun has a monstrous spread. One shell to the target, another to the ground, the third to the sky... The Bushmaster cannon scribbles like a sewing machine
          1. 0
            19 December 2023 11: 27
            Thin armor against what????
            30 mm on BMP 3 is not that bad. And Bushmeiser is good, but ours is no worse.
      2. -3
        9 December 2023 20: 54
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        try again to get this close to the enemy’s equipment

        You are on the Military Review portal. APPROACH enemy equipment - approach from the couch on the computer.
      3. +1
        10 December 2023 09: 44
        From those who were unable to leave, there is no video, except for the video of the Bradley crew surviving the detonation of the ammunition with the turret being torn off (they say there is such a video).
  12. 0
    9 December 2023 06: 41
    It would be interesting to read an analysis of the layout. Many note that the survival rate of crews of Western equipment is higher, but it is easier to get into them.
  13. +7
    9 December 2023 07: 47
    I urgently served as a driver for a BMP-1. I was interested in the yellow blocks on the bow.. It doesn’t look like dynamic protection. If they were wooden blocks, then they probably threw them under the goosenecks if it got stuck.. for this purpose, before exercises, I always attached a small log to the armor. Even in the training there was such an exercise. But I still started to squirm once. A Brdm1 passing behind me, whose driver was not too lazy to install the kobestan shaft, pulled me out of the mud once. And the Bradley is not an infantry fighting vehicle, it’s a tank1
    1. +4
      9 December 2023 12: 18
      yellow blocks on the bow... Doesn't look like dynamic protection.
      This is what she is - BRAT package (English translation: difficult teenager, juvenile hooligan laughing ), developed jointly by Rafael and General Dynamics. Almost all data about this supposedly “ultra-effective” protection package created specifically for Bradley is classified. And they are yellow because they were intended for use in desert conditions. Something like this.
      1. +1
        12 December 2023 22: 49
        The opportunity to study the dynamic protection package is very useful for us, this will speed up the appearance of serial protection for our 1-2-3 infantry fighting vehicles
  14. +6
    9 December 2023 08: 00
    The main dividend of a captured Bradley is a clear example of a convenient landing position.

    This is not just comfort - it is also a higher survival rate when damaged by infantry fighting vehicles and the ability to quickly load and unload and the ability to transport bedridden wounded and additional armored vehicles.

    The concept of Western infantry fighting vehicles, it must be admitted, turned out to be more accurate, our low-profile one is now both irrelevant and inconvenient, and that’s not all, our equipment is configured in such a way that if it is damaged, there is often a tank or b/c behind the armor, which leaves no chance for the crew and landing

    NATO infantry fighting vehicles are more durable, just like tanks, and we should also use this design feature.
    1. +4
      9 December 2023 09: 15
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      where you can’t go for armor, often a tank or b/c

      On low-profile light armored vehicles, both the tanks and ammo, and even the engines, must be moved outside. Turret niches and mounted tanks turned out to be useful. And then there will be considerable volumes inside for radio electronics, communications, and optics.
    2. Alf
      -1
      9 December 2023 18: 42
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      NATO infantry fighting vehicles are more durable,

      What kind of fright is this? Or can NATO infantry fighting vehicles, after being hit by an RPG or ATGM, move and continue the fight?
    3. SSR
      +1
      10 December 2023 09: 10
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      NATO infantry fighting vehicles are more durable, like tanks

      Not entirely correct IMHA.
      Maybe the percentage of survivors after a machine is hit is higher, but the machines themselves have a much lower “survival rate” than our machines.
      Even with slight damage to some electronic component, the vehicle becomes unusable, and this was noticed and voiced by both the army and our Soldiers.
  15. BAI
    +1
    9 December 2023 08: 24
    1.
    They tore the cables and broke the hooks:

    I immediately remembered:
    We will sow rye, oats,
    Breaking plows...
    2.
    Any piece of equipment found as a trophy is priceless and must be copied.

    Our experts didn’t have the best reviews about Caesar
    1. Alf
      +1
      9 December 2023 18: 44
      Quote: BAI
      Our experts didn’t have the best reviews about Caesar

      And no one said that Caesar would be copied. They'll look, maybe they'll find some little things. Nobody copied Messer, but they copied the DZUS and some other little things (and there are no little things in aviation).
  16. BAI
    -1
    9 December 2023 08: 24
    1.
    They tore the cables and broke the hooks:

    I immediately remembered:
    We will sow rye, oats,
    Breaking plows...
    2.
    Any piece of equipment found as a trophy is priceless and must be copied.

    Our experts didn’t have the best reviews about Caesar
  17. +7
    9 December 2023 13: 22
    Quote from Bingo
    The mattresses sang songs about their exclusivity for so long that they themselves believed in these songs. Otherwise, they would NOT, UNDER ANY SAUCE, send their equipment into a real battle with an equal opponent. Euro-Gean - as much as you like, then howl - “you see, what a disgusting thing, not like ours! Having no analogues in the world! (TM)”
    But there have been no brains there for a long time, as well as direct hands, so they sent crookedly made junk, in full confidence that the wild Russians, just seeing these relics of the American military-industrial complex, will run away into holes...
    We're at war with the de Bills *facepalm*


    Is it right to think that Americans have no brains? They are built the same way as we are. We live on the same planet.
    The fact that they are brainwashed by the ideology of the “golden calf” is not about brains that can be technically literate, but about behavior in society, about attitude towards other countries, about the Biden election, about self-superiority. But not about engineers.
  18. -1
    9 December 2023 19: 16
    In Russia, engineers who truly understand are worth their weight in gold. Let them look and figure out how to design and produce military equipment.
  19. -3
    9 December 2023 19: 16
    In Russia, engineers who truly understand are worth their weight in gold. Let them look and figure out how to design and produce military equipment.
  20. 0
    10 December 2023 08: 55
    I would recommend to our people to come up with 1,2,3 mm thick applied armor from VMP with polyurethane paint like Raptor for the BMP 50 and it will work! And it will be warmer and sound insulation and visibility on thermal imagers will be less soldier
  21. +2
    10 December 2023 15: 17
    The guslyakh flew off and the ramp was lost, it’s clear why they abandoned it
    1. +2
      10 December 2023 20: 18
      Quote: air wolf
      I would recommend to our people to come up with 1,2,3 mm thick applied armor from VMP with polyurethane paint like Raptor for the BMP 50 and it will work! And it will be warmer and sound insulation and visibility on thermal imagers will be less

      NASA has been painting its space stations with similar paints for a long time; back at the beginning of the century I saw a photo where an aluminum cup from a thermos with boiling water does not burn your hand, the paint retains heat. The practice of painting heating pipes with it is known, little is known about its use for painting military equipment, why this is so... and even a mole cannot fly anywhere in the world without a kick.
  22. Urs
    0
    15 December 2023 23: 08
    No, well, in principle, everything is so normal. There are bunches of colors and complete misunderstanding, like “The next attempt was already on two more powerful tractors, and...” what are you talking about, well, we don’t have anything “more powerful” BREM .And why are there two, when one is behind the scenes to evacuate a tank, which weighs twice as much as the Bradley. Well, oh well, otherwise, in general, it’s clear that we needed it more (I’m talking about evacuation) for the cool “ "Ponta" well done tow truck workers, a solid D wassat .No offense or hysterics, the fighters are handsome, I understand them and I don’t blame them for the broken cable, I’m like that myself.
    In any case, our fighters are the best, to carry out an evacuation under dense mines. shelling, this is heroism hi respect guys. soldier
  23. -1
    18 December 2023 00: 32
    Bradley is a good car. Definitely better than all our infantry fighting vehicles.

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