Rumors without facts: North Korean missiles for the Russian army

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Rumors without facts: North Korean missiles for the Russian army
Modern missile systems produced by the DPRK at the exhibition


Unfriendly foreign countries are trying to convict the Russian army of receiving and using foreign weapons. In particular, the possibility of purchasing weapons and ammunition from the DPRK is being actively discussed. Moreover, they are regularly reported as a fait accompli and even some evidence is provided. In recent months, this topic has been raised several times, and the discussion was about the most interesting Korean developments.



Missile contracts


The first rumors about Russia’s purchase of foreign weapons and ammunition began to circulate abroad back in mid-2022. At that time, the foreign press and even officials spread misinformation about the depletion of Russian army reserves and the impossibility of replenishing them independently. From this it was concluded that there was an urgent need to purchase the necessary products abroad.

Only “rogue countries” were mentioned as potential suppliers of ammunition for Russia. In particular, they said that the DPRK could provide shells for artillery and missiles for multiple launch rocket systems. However, such rumors and versions were soon practically forgotten - due to the lack of real events that could be presented as evidence in their favor.

In mid-September 2023, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un arrived in Russia on an official visit. His arrival became the occasion for the resumption of discussions on possible military-technical cooperation between the two countries. At the level of rumors and assessments, certain agreements and supplies of ammunition or even entire weapons systems were again mentioned.


Long range MLRS KN-09

Following the visit of the North Korean leader, British intelligence and the media reported the signing of a secret agreement in the field of military equipment. According to them, Moscow and Pyongyang agreed to deploy joint production of the North Korean KN-09 multiple launch rocket system, which is distinguished by improved tactical and technical characteristics.

However, no details of the allegedly signed agreement were provided. The methods of organizing production, the timing of the appearance of finished products, their technical features, etc. remained unknown. Moreover, all this information is missing to this day - over the past months, Mi-6 or the press have not been able to obtain new details. It is very likely that about the September news simply forgot and moved on to current topics, incl. in the form of regular rumors.

Secret deliveries


However, the topic of Russian-Korean cooperation in the field of ammunition was not completely forgotten. In early November, the South Korean publication The Korea Herald reported the start of deliveries of North Korean missiles to Russia. It received information about this from unnamed sources in the Seoul military department. The sources did not provide any evidence, citing the secrecy of such information.


KN-23 complexes on parade

A source for The Korea Herald said that South Korean intelligence is monitoring the possible transportation of missiles and artillery weapons to the DPRK. Transportation by rail, sea and air is tracked. However, recently there have been signs of transfer weapons to Russia.

It is reported that in the area of ​​the port of Rajin on the eastern coast of the DPRK and in other areas of the country, incl. near army installations, reconnaissance recorded increased container shipping activity. In addition, maritime traffic has increased. Previously, one Russian ship per week entered Korean ports, but now this happens every few days.

South Korean intelligence interprets these processes as evidence of intensified military-technical cooperation between the two countries. It is assumed that Russia is purchasing certain ammunition from the DPRK, its own reserves of which are being reduced.

The Korea Herald writes that military cargo goes through the port of Rajin on the east coast of the DPRK. Deliveries began in August, and within a few months approx. 2 thousand standard containers with ammunition. In this way, more than 200 thousand 122 mm caliber rockets for the Grad family systems or more than 1 million 152 mm artillery shells could be transported. It is also expected to supply shots for tank guns of outdated models.


KN-24 missile as part of a railway complex

The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Korea believes that Pyongyang may transfer other products and ammunition to Russia. Thus, the Russian army can receive operational-tactical missile systems KN-23, KN-24 and KN-25. However, sending missiles of these types may be associated with difficulties. The KN-23 product is believed to have a length of up to 7,5 m, while a standard shipping container can only accommodate 6-meter loads.

As in September, more precise “intelligence data” is not provided. Terms and volumes of deliveries, principles of their organization, etc. The Korea Herald and its sources do not publish. It is quite possible that we are talking about an elementary “stuffing”, and such details were simply not worked out.

Firepower


The main idea of ​​foreign “news” about the supply of North Korean weapons to Russia boils down to the fact that our army is running out of ammunition and it urgently needs to replenish its arsenals. At the same time, the Russian military is forced to turn to “rogue countries” such as Iran or North Korea. It is curious that in this context a variety of ammunition is mentioned, from the simplest artillery and rocket shells to missile systems with high tactical and technical characteristics.

For example, recent reports in the South Korean press list several modern tactical missile systems produced by the DPRK, which, due to their parameters and capabilities, can be of great interest to different armies of the world. Due to the characteristics of these products, attempts to present their proposed purchase as a necessary measure seem strange.


Self-propelled OTRK KN-24

In September, foreign media reported on the supply or licensed production of KN-09 products. This is an MLRS on a wheeled chassis, using 300 mm caliber rockets. Early combat vehicles of this type carried 8 guides, and the modernized version received 12. The system uses several types of 300-mm missiles up to 7-8 m long and weighing up to 800-900 kg with a warhead up to 70-80 kg. The firing range is estimated at 180-200 km. It is assumed that there will be a correction system that increases the accuracy of fire.

The KN-23 or “Hwasong-11Ga” is a self-propelled tactical missile system on a wheeled chassis or other platform with a solid propellant missile. In its appearance, composition and characteristics, this product is close to the Russian Iskander OTRK and is even considered a kind of copy of it. The KN-23 missile is approx. 8-9 m and weight approx. 3,4-3,5 tons, of which up to 500 kg are warheads. Flight range – 450 or 600 km, depending on modification.

The KN-24 or Hwasong-11Na missile belongs to the same class as the KN-23. At the same time, in appearance and, probably, in design, it is similar to the American ATACMS product. With almost the same size and weight as the Hwasong-11Ga, this missile has a firing range of approx. 400 km.

The KN-25 complex is of the greatest interest from a technical point of view. It is designated as an ultra-large-caliber MLRS, but in fact we are talking about an OTRK with an increased number of missiles on the launcher. The KN-25 combat vehicle carries five or six missiles approx. 8 m and caliber 600 mm with a weight of approx. 3 tons. The launch range reaches 380 km, and due to the correction system, increased accuracy is ensured.


MLRS / OTRK KN-25 with 600 mm rocket

It is easy to notice that the Korean KN-09 missile system is similar in characteristics to the Russian Tornado-S MLRS, but surpasses it in maximum firing range. Other multiple launch rocket systems and operational-tactical complexes mentioned by the foreign press are more or less similar to Russian systems, but do not have noticeable advantages over them.

Judging only by its tactical and technical characteristics, the KN-09 product may be of interest to the Russians. However, in the field of missile weapons, our Ministry of Defense prefers to rely on the developments and products of domestic industry, which sharply reduces the chances of the Korean MLRS entering service. Other MLRS and OTRKs are generally of no interest.

Rumors and facts


Thus, foreign intelligence services and the media are still trying to work out the theme of the depletion of Russian army reserves, the weakness of the defense industry and the need to urgently obtain weapons from abroad. Messages on this topic over and over again do not find confirmation, but this does not prevent one from regularly publishing similar “news.”

It should be noted that now there are indeed problems with stocks of weapons and ammunition, as well as with the supply of necessary products. However, all this applies to the Kyiv regime and its foreign patrons. Together, they have depleted their reserves and are now in an ambiguous position. It is unclear how this situation will be resolved. But it is clear that spreading rumors about the problems of the Russian army is not a suitable solution.
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  1. +22
    6 December 2023 04: 40
    Unfriendly foreign countries are trying to convict the Russian army of receiving and using foreign weapons -

    ***
    - Well, let's say they get caught. And what? ...
    ***
    1. +5
      6 December 2023 07: 20
      - Well, let's say they get caught. And what? ..

      They will continue to actively work to impose sanctions. They still have a reserve of more than 146 million Russians alone.
      Work, I don't want to. hi
    2. +3
      7 December 2023 08: 54
      Monsieur Ryabov's firing range is measured in kilograms)
    3. 0
      9 December 2023 01: 30
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      - Well, let's say they get caught. And what? ...

      And this will untie (and has already untie - in words, suspicions, assumptions alone) the hands of South Korea for the supply of 155 mm caliber shells. Kyiv. After all, everyone seemed SO happy that “the EU and NATO promised Kyiv 1 million shells, but only gave them half.” And “the United States did not deliver the promised quantity.” But in fact, South Korea has already given over a million shells to Kyiv!!
      And so, for the sake of a fig leaf, to cover up and explain South Korean “neutrality” and “non-involvement”, that this is just a “response to supplies from North Korea” and this whole farce has been started.
      "Horror, horror, Kim Jong-un supplied Putin with... SHELLS!!!"
      And the fact that “brother Bulgarians are going out of their way to supply the Ukrainian fascists with the volumes of their shells of Soviet caliber? For the third time after Shipka and the “liberation from the Turkish Yoke”? And the fact that all the former “Warsovians” have all their weapons depots and artillery cellars emptied for the sake of "defeating Russia on the battlefield"? And the fact that the former union republics of the USSR (albeit not all, but) raised the slogan "Everything for fascism and its victory" and are also dragging all their weapons and ammunition to Kiev. Azerbaijan has all its deployed on the eve of production shells are now involved in the production for the fascists of Kiev... True, they are “embarrassed” to admit this publicly... and even deny such deliveries... but the Kyiv Petrushki have already handed over them with their photos in the workshops for the production of these shells.
      And after that... WHAT??
      Uzhzhos-Uzhzhos?
      North Korea “delivered shells” and said that it would be “in the same trench” in this war with Russia??
      Seriously ? Is this Uzhzhos?
      And the Ukrainian Armed Forces have never had a shortage of shells, and they still don’t – the fascists have something to shoot with. The hand of those who give does not fail.
      In the USA Election Circus?
      Is Europe Empty?
      stop Nothing bad happened! Japan and South Korea enter the arena. The first provides a financial leverage of 4,5 billion dollars. (while Biden is fighting in Congress to finance fascism), and South Korea has already over-delivered all the undelivered volumes of US and NATO shells, while I am sure that it financed these deliveries... and continues to supply. "In one snout" placing more than a million shells. Not counting American shells from bases on their territory.
      Well, how can one not cover up such a “good deed” with cries about the “terrible Eun”??
      Loudest of all "Stop the Thief!" the thief himself shouts.
  2. +21
    6 December 2023 05: 03
    It is completely unclear how purchasing weapons from a friendly country, and even during a war, can “convict” someone of something? The author is so concerned about the opinions of the Western media and he wants to “refute” them so much that he himself does not seem to notice the absurdity of such a formulation of the question.
    In fact, the essence of the issue is completely different, the DPRK is under sanctions that the Russian Federation itself supported, and it is in violating them that it is “convicted”. Here you just need to consistently exit the sanctions regime in relation to the DPRK and calmly trade with it everything that what do we need.
    1. +6
      6 December 2023 06: 04
      But you can get out of sanctions “inconsistently.” So to speak, in person. They will put us in a corner for this, or what?
    2. 0
      8 December 2023 22: 18
      Quote: Belisarius
      In fact, the essence of the issue is completely different, the DPRK is under sanctions that the Russian Federation itself supported, and it is precisely in violating them that it is “convicted”

      And this is also a lesson - when voting at the UN on all issues initiated by the United States or EU countries (or consolidatedly supported by the West), we must either veto, vote against, or, in extreme cases, abstain. But never vote “yes”. This will never come back to haunt us.
      Quote: Belisarius
      Here we just need to consistently exit the sanctions regime against the DPRK and calmly trade with it everything we need.

      Well, we stand up for the triumph of international law. So now the management is frantically looking for how to arrange this legally.
  3. +7
    6 December 2023 05: 15
    We are not at all obliged to listen to lectures and advice on the rules of behavior with our neighbors. Moreover, this is advice from such “outsiders” with whom there is no need to make enemies.
    1. 0
      16 March 2024 10: 03
      Obliged. Because we are in a dependent position. In culture, science, technology. I already forgot the last time I went to the cinema, because without Western cinema there is nothing to watch. The cars are all imported, they take the Chinese out of desperation, and the tools go there too.
      Now there is a struggle for the independence of the Russian Federation. If at the front everything is more or less normal, then in industry, machine tool industry, etc., there are seams. Europe was replaced by China, with understandable problems. There is no industrialization.
  4. +11
    6 December 2023 05: 27
    If everything is as rumors spread, then the picture turns out like this.
    Koreans are in dire need of “source materials” in the form of ore, polymetals, and plastics. Also food - rice, wheat. Well, financial resources. Everyone needs money.
    Our needs, based on the same rumors, are known.
    The supply of ammunition is quite difficult to track. Unless in the process of using them the factory markings will be opened.
    But the supply of combat vehicles will be opened quite easily when equipment atypical for the Red Army is discovered on the battlefield.
    And it's not a matter of depleting our reserves. We can safely assume that the storage bases contain mountains of ammunition stockpiled “in case of nuclear war” and reserve equipment.
    But the reserves should remain as such.
    At the same time, the army must make up for the consumption of ammunition and losses of equipment during the SVO.
    And there is nothing wrong with purchasing weapons from allies at a time when the entire “unbaptized” world will overwhelm Ukraine with weapons.
  5. +15
    6 December 2023 05: 29
    I wish these rumors to come true...the shells and missiles of the DPRK would be very useful for the disposal of the Kyiv regime with NATO help.
    1. 0
      6 December 2023 12: 51
      Our people are already working hard with shells with hieroglyphs. A relative, an artilleryman, came on vacation and told me
      1. +1
        8 December 2023 05: 07
        Our people are already working hard with shells with hieroglyphs.

        The DPRK, like the Republic of Korea, uses an alphabet. Hangul is made up of 24 simple letters, or chamo (자모), 14 of which are consonants (ㄱㄴㄷㄹㅁㅂㅅㅇㅈㅊㅋㅌㅍㅎ) and 10 are vowels (ㅏㅑㅓㅕㅗㅛ ㅜㅠㅡㅣ ).
        Chinese characters are used in special cases and most Koreans do not know them.
        1. +1
          9 December 2023 12: 38
          I said this figuratively about hieroglyphs. This means that ours use shells made in the DPRK.
  6. +5
    6 December 2023 06: 29
    Rumors, rumors, rumors... Intelligence services have become shallow and lazy, information is based on guesswork and stuffing with the appearance of vigorous activity.
  7. +8
    6 December 2023 06: 37
    In general, put it with the device on these incriminations and accusations. We buy from whomever we want, and we use it as we want. They forgot to ask this rear-wheel drive riffraff. Let them better remember where the sleeve is sewn on
  8. +6
    6 December 2023 07: 32
    . Only “rogue countries” were mentioned as potential suppliers of ammunition for Russia.

    And that only outcasts can now support our country? What about friends? BRICS partners? Friend China? Bosom friend Erdogan? After all, our president has done so much for him! Kazakhstan, where Russia recently helped prevent a coup by sending in troops?

    Why hope for the supply of weapons only from outcasts, against whom Russia itself took part in the sanctions?
    1. +3
      6 December 2023 11: 52
      Because everyone else is afraid of US sanctions.
      1. +3
        6 December 2023 11: 56
        Quote: Kmon
        Because everyone else is afraid of US sanctions.

        Are they not afraid of the devastating sanctions of our superpower??
    2. +3
      6 December 2023 15: 02
      They sell sanctions well wink why do they need this hi
  9. +6
    6 December 2023 07: 44
    I really don’t understand why they would hide it! Look how many countries supply theirs there, but here one supplied it and that’s it. On the contrary, it should be presented as an advertisement, yes they help, yes friends, yes against the West, yes everyone will get it!
  10. +6
    6 December 2023 08: 00
    The opinion of South Koreans, who imprison their residents for visiting the DPRK, should not interest anyone. They have an article in the Criminal Code so that no one dares to look at the “land of Juche”. Are they afraid that people will be imbued with northern ideas?
    1. +4
      6 December 2023 11: 54
      It is unlikely that they are really afraid. It’s just that on both sides there is fierce hatred for each other, intensified at the legislative level.
      1. -1
        6 December 2023 17: 08
        There’s just fierce hatred on both sides for each other,
        Read. that during the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese had instructors from the DPRK, and the South Vietnamese had instructors from the ROK. And they frantically destroyed each other if they collided. On the other hand, about the South Korean article in the Criminal Code - why should they be so afraid of the North if they are so “successful”? Probably, success is the same as the economy of the Sumerians, without external assistance.
        1. 0
          6 December 2023 17: 20
          Firstly, the image of an enemy is useful to any government, and it is not good for lionized men to spoil it (even though, of course, no one en masse will go over to Kim’s side). Secondly, the Koreans are very paranoid - they have been expecting an invasion and bombing of Seoul at any moment for 50 years. In such conditions, any praise from a sworn enemy...

          As for success... Eh, everyone would be as successful “in quotes” as YuK. A very hardworking nation.
          1. +1
            6 December 2023 18: 48
            A very hardworking nation.
            Well, yes, if the states make a showcase of capitalism somewhere for 70 years in a row, then we can reach the South Korean level. And the northern ones, relying on the USSR (when it existed) and the PRC, also achieved a lot. Thus, turbines for the Yuzhno-Bureyskaya hydroelectric power station were already purchased from the DPRK during the EBN - in St. Petersburg they had already forgotten how to make them, and even more so in Sumeria.
            1. +1
              6 December 2023 19: 26
              It is foolish to deny that the South Koreans have achieved a lot on their own. US investment was small compared to its GDP. And if the people are not ready to diligently build the future, no investment will help - Afghanistan is a vivid example of this.
              1. 0
                8 December 2023 05: 15
                US investment was small compared to its GDP.

                The US has not invested anything at all in South Korea, other than hundreds of thousands of children being adopted by Americans. So to speak, they reduced the expenses of the Koreans. On the contrary, South Korea pays for the maintenance of American troops at home.
  11. +1
    6 December 2023 08: 22
    Quote: U-58
    And it's not a matter of depleting our reserves. We can safely assume that the storage bases contain mountains of ammunition stockpiled “in case of nuclear war” and reserve equipment.


    these are our illusions: remember Prigozhin’s cry about the shell famine - after some time the “veil of veil” lifted...
    incl. we need to ask the stripes - where and how are they stuffing the military budget?
  12. +6
    6 December 2023 09: 46
    there can be no problems with sending KN-23 missiles since containers come in both 20-foot and 40-foot containers
    1. +4
      6 December 2023 12: 13
      Exactly, 40 feet is the standard for container shipping.
  13. +2
    6 December 2023 10: 04
    thank God that at least one country has abandoned sanctions against us and is helping us with weapons almost openly! Somehow nothing has arrived from the BRICS countries into our bins, but they are gobbling up our bread (it’s already cracking behind the ears!)
    1. 0
      19 March 2024 15: 39
      Before you speak, consider where the vast majority of the FPVs you desperately need come from.
  14. +5
    6 December 2023 11: 26
    Unfriendly foreign countries are trying to convict the Russian army of receiving and using foreign weapons -

    What do you mean caught? Did the Russian Federation steal them? Or did you take it away? Russia has the right to buy anything and from anyone. It would be better to think what they will do when the Russian Federation, after the Victory, presents evidence of the participation of NATO military in 404 countries.
    Because the Russian Federation has already caught them!)))
  15. +2
    6 December 2023 11: 37
    Author. For some reason, the flight range of your missiles is measured in KG.
    1. +1
      6 December 2023 16: 53
      "measured in KG", and this is a new measurement system. She's just being tested.
      Seriously though, otchepatki can both amuse and sadden.
      1. 0
        7 December 2023 16: 39
        Understand. But at least he listened to the comments and corrected them. Otherwise they fly at 180-200 kg.
  16. +1
    6 December 2023 11: 46
    Send everyone dissatisfied from the USA, the EU and NATO as a whole .................................... to the forest. Who decided that we cannot purchase weapons from other countries?
    Anyone who follows the conflict already knows everything
  17. +3
    6 December 2023 12: 31
    Purely from PR, I would solemnly purchase an analogue of Himars...
    South Korea can supply weapons to enemies, why can't North Korea?
    Yes, there are UN Security Council sanctions, but sanctions have been imposed against a UN member, why should the Russian Federation adhere to someone else’s sanctions?
  18. +2
    6 December 2023 14: 48
    South Korea sent ukroreich 155mm shells more than all the geyropas combined, as it recently turned out. And now these people are offended by S. Korea. But before, it was impossible to scratch your turnip and come up with an answer?
  19. +2
    6 December 2023 14: 49
    What kind of excuse is this? In front of whom? This riffraff doesn’t see at all how all the buildings in Palestine are being demolished and how to talk to them at all? Who can point Russia to something now, having started a war with it in 2014? Thank God that another betrayal of the Russians in the form of Minsk" NN did not happen.
  20. +2
    6 December 2023 16: 48
    “problems of the Russian army” this is reminiscent of boys’ showdowns “Vaska has such a huge black eye”, and so is this.
    Most likely, there are some supplies from the DPRK. But what exactly?
    Perhaps the DPRK is a “transshipment point” for China, and the Chinese have something “tasty”.
    I admit the idea that we may be short of some ammunition. Everyone says that there have never been conflicts where so much ammunition was used.
    And during a war, shells or missiles will never be superfluous
    1. 0
      7 December 2023 13: 15
      Ammunition for the North Korean-made Grad has been visible in various photos from the front for at least a month now.
      There is also information about shells for 122mm and 152mm artillery, both North Korean (presumably) and Iranian (confirmed in the photo).
  21. +1
    6 December 2023 17: 32
    I believe that for purely diplomatic reasons, ours will only take military cargo that cannot be clearly identified as North Korean. These are our caliber shells (100, 122, 152) these are the MLRS missiles that are compatible with our installations.... Surely there is something else, it’s unlikely that anyone can fully name the entire range of compatible ammunition and auxiliary ammunition... You can, of course, ask the question: “What is it if they identify it?” Honestly, I don't know. However, the position of our diplomacy, which was clearly expressed in the situation when they tried to accuse Iran of supplying drones to Russia, is that we fight exclusively with our weapons. At the same time, our diplomacy accuses the West of supplying weapons to Mazepia. Obviously, these are two sides of the same diplomatic position. I won’t try to force out versions of why this is important for the VPR of Russia. I think they understand what they are doing there.
  22. 0
    7 December 2023 12: 12
    The methods of organizing production, the timing of the appearance of finished products, their technical features, etc. remained unknown.

    Based on common sense, the production of ammunition should be deployed in Russia itself, since there are plenty of materials (metals, chemicals) and energy there. From the DPRK workers and equipment (machines with CPU and so on).
    You can pay for it, for example, with weapons-grade plutonium. If one 152 mm shell is exchanged for 1 gram of plutonium, then 1 million shells will cost 1 ton of plutonium.
  23. 0
    7 December 2023 13: 13
    Firing range of "180-200 kg." this is certainly strong.
    There are definitely no analogues in the world.
  24. 0
    8 December 2023 11: 04
    The US has not invested anything at all in South Korea, other than hundreds of thousands of children being adopted by Americans.

    The United States only made them its contractors and allowed them into the markets in its sphere of influence (the whole world except the USSR and Northeastern Europe countries before 1990 and the whole world after 1990).
    But they did not and will never give them key technologies and they will always remain contractors.
  25. 0
    9 January 2024 16: 58
    Even if Russia does use North Korean missiles, so what?
    And it’s high time to send the Anglo-Saxons in plain text in three funny letters.
  26. 0
    10 January 2024 17: 48
    So much text, but no substance: will Russia violate UN resolution No. 1874 if it buys weapons from Pyongyang?
    The rest is all casuistry.
  27. 0
    5 March 2024 21: 05
    has a length of up to 7,5 m, while a standard shipping container can only accommodate 6 m loads.

    Standard 40 foot container 12 meters. And there is another 45 foot one. Absolutely nonsense written.