Russian electronic warfare: is it there or not?

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Russian electronic warfare: is it there or not?

Today, if you look at independent sources, by which we mean Telegram, everything there is clearly divided into two camps. The first, which migrated from the website of the Ministry of Defense and the official media, is filled with confident materials that our electronic warfare is capable of suppressing everything, from geese to satellites in high orbits. The second one, closer to the LBS, is not so sure and often outbursts come from there, saying that Russian electronic warfare officers cannot be seen at the front line, they are sitting in the rear and doing who knows what.

True? Let's start figuring out where she is a little later.


We have electronic warfare. But he feels bad, and the one who is on the front line, and (especially) the one who should come tomorrow. Those who say that we do not have electronic warfare are wrong, and those who proclaim that “Krasukha” is the ultimate dream of NATO are also wrong. NATO electronic warfare systems are generally a special matter; there are very, very interesting complexes there.



Are ours better? Yes. For now - yes, and much better. But what next is difficult to say. Soviet developments and developments have already been practically exhausted, and Russian ones... Here you need to understand what we are talking about.

In general, anyone who is interested can take and read such smart people as Alexander Ignatievich Paliy and his “Radio-Electronic Warfare”. There you can at least understand something like that, but if you take Nikolskikh, Sablin, Kubanov - there the mind really goes beyond the mind before a hint of understanding comes.

But in general and simply put, radio waves are like light, but invisible. In a vacuum it propagates at or close to the speed of light. Radio waves have different frequencies and amplitudes, and this, in fact, is where the globe of electronic warfare revolves.


Radio waves are electromagnetic waves with frequencies from 30 kHz to 3 THz, that is, with a wavelength from 10 km to 0,1 mm. Natural sources of radio waves are lightning flashes and astronomical objects (pulsars, quasars, stars, etc.). We are not interested in them. But artificial ones, that is, generated on equipment specially designed for this, are what interests us today.

After all, despite the fact that a wave is seemingly intangible and invisible, you can do many interesting things with it if you know how. Here we have such a term as “modulation”. It can be understood as a lot of things that can be done with a wave: compress, stretch, stretch, and so on.

The type of radio transmission is classified according to its bandwidth, determined precisely by the modulation method, the nature of the modulating signal and the type of information transmitted in the carrier signal. In general, the most important point is the signal characteristics.

The signal characteristics are specified by modulations of various types. Let's put it this way: with the help of modulation, information is packed into a packet that the wave carries to the recipient. Modulations can be amplitude, frequency, phase, combined (pulse-amplitude, pulse-width modulation, pulse-position) and so on, their main task is to generate a signal through which the consumer will receive information. The type of modulation determines the immunity to interference, power and other parameters of the signal.

Everyone knows that the transmission is carried out by the transmitter, where the signal is generated, and received, dare I say it, by the receiver.

So, the main task of electronic warfare is to ensure that the signal from the transmitter does not reach the receiver. Or it arrived, but is not in good condition.


With the transmitter it is somewhat simpler, since a working transmitter, no matter where it is located and what power it has, it is much simpler to calculate.

In general, the most effective way to stop the transmitter is to send an appropriate anti-radar missile there. Even though these missiles are called that, they can work not only on radars, they will follow the signal of any transmitter, as long as the receiver of the homing head captures the signal and takes the direction. One historical The personality of the satellite phone was enough for the eyes.

Here it becomes clear that the main goal of any electronic warfare is the receiver, which, you understand, is a completely passive thing, it is very difficult to calculate it, unlike the transmitter. But there are methods of dealing with receivers, and they are quite effective, although they are old.

Let's take for example the most popular target today - UAVs. A cruise missile, an airplane are also excellent goals, but in our difficult times in the Northern Military District they are not as relevant, or rather, not as diverse as drones.


So, let’s take a drone, and not an FPV one, but one that monitors how the FPV drone works. Of an intelligence nature, so to speak. This one has drone There is a very high level of information exchange via standard streams. There are usually three such streams:
- control channel;
- telemetry channel;
- video transmission channel.

The control channel is upstream, that is, from the remote control to the drone. In general, of course, if the UAV follows the program, then the channel is generally “empty”, but even without that, the control channel of such a device is not heavily loaded with flow.

The telemetry channel is downward, that is, from the device to the remote control with the transmission of data on the state of the board: battery charge, coordinates, altitude, speed and direction of movement, and so on. The second busiest channel, since information about the location of the device is being processed.

The video transmission channel is the most loaded channel, it is also downstream, and telemetry can also be sent to the operator via this channel.

Which channel is the easiest to “stifle”? That's right, the most loaded. The less information goes through a channel, the more difficult it is to interrupt its operation, if only for the reason that information can be transmitted repeatedly through such a channel, simply duplicating it.

The problem is that disrupting the video channel is not always effective. Of course, when there is a conversation about an FPV drone, in which aiming is based on the video image, then there is no dispute, everything is so. But if it’s “Shahed”, which simply fails 90% of the way according to the program built into it, that’s a different question. Well, the scout will simply have a nuisance and nothing more, the operator will simply deploy the drone as a team and take it away from the dangerous place.

Telemetry is more complicated. If you jam the GPS signal receiver, the drone’s “brain” will simply stop understanding where it is. Actually, this is how some electronic warfare stations work, which simply knock not only drones, but also cruise missiles off their route.

Control - well, everyone knows this, just intercepting a channel and then moving the UAV to the desired point.

In reality, of course, it’s not easy. There are fewer and fewer fools in the world, and UAVs are becoming more and more expensive, because in order not to lose a valuable “bird”, at which the bad guys from electronic warfare will aim their invisible tentacles, the technology of using pseudo-random frequency tuning has long been mastered and used. That is, the transmitter and receiver “agree” how many times per second they will change to another frequency.

It turns out to be a kind of ping-pong, the transmitter jumps across frequencies according to a certain sequence that can be programmed in any way you like, and sends packets of information from different frequencies. And the receiver, which is also aware of the sequence in which the transmitter jumps and also changes frequencies, “selecting” packets.

This makes it very easy to bypass both barrage and targeted interference that is placed at a specific frequency.

So what do we have?


We have the following picture: the transmitter gets a missile with a specialized seeker followed by physical destruction, the receiver gets interference that will make it impossible to receive information. Interfering with the transmitter, you understand, is not very advisable, although even here there are options.

How this works using the example of an anti-drone gun or a manual jamming station.


When a UAV is detected (visually), the anti-drone defense operator points the emitter antennas towards the drone and activates the device. In this case, powerful directional radiation occurs, which causes loss of communication with the drone operator and loss of reception of navigation satellite signals. This is due to the fact that the signal emitted by the anti-drone gun is many times stronger than the signals from the operator’s console and satellite navigation signals. The drone simply stops “hearing” the commands of its operator and determining its coordinates.

In such a situation, different UAVs behave differently, depending on the model and firmware:
- some begin an emergency landing, which absolutely suits the operator, because it’s a trophy.
- the latter try to return to the starting point (the “Home” point), but this is not always possible due to the lack of a position point in space. There are models that can fly “from memory”, simply repeating the return route using the accelerometer and chronometer. It doesn’t always work out; usually the batteries run out and the drone just crashes.
- still others hang in place until the battery runs out and try to restore communication with the operator and navigation satellites. This also suits everyone; even in this case, a particularly stubborn drone can be helped with a 5,45 mm bullet.

In any case, the drone’s flight mission is interrupted, and in some cases leads to the device changing owners. With all other equipment that comes under attack from electronic warfare, everything happens in much the same way. Cruise missiles successfully fall into fields, airplanes and helicopters, of course, do not, but the problems there are also through the roof if they are successfully hit. In general, anything that has receivers can get into big problems, but drones and cruise missiles are the weakest links here, because direct human control is excluded due to the lack of one on board.

Now a little about jamming methods, just to understand the process


Here, too, everything is divided. In fact, there are already three generations of equipment that worked differently and at different times.

First generation. First generation systems worked by jamming the transmission medium itself. In general, for effective suppression it would be necessary to know the operating frequencies of the receiver and transmitter, but this is not at all necessary. At the end of the Great Patriotic War, our electronic warfare pioneers destroyed entire ranges at the beginning of our offensives.

Everyday example: you are sitting in a shopping center and talking with someone. Suddenly, a young man comes out of the store opposite and starts yelling that now, in their store, a presentation of super-duper products will begin, and everyone who passes by will regret it later. Well, everything like that. This is an example of a broadband noise generator, the so-called “jammer,” which really jams the entire range, but there are nuances.

The speaker can be close to you, then you get perfect suppression. You won't hear each other and you'll have to wait for him to calm down. Next, either you can repeat the last packet of information (the term “redundancy”), or your interlocutor may ask you to repeat it (“acknowledgment”). Yes, you can also increase the power of your transmission and simply shout over the speaker, giving the interlocutor a command to move away like “Let’s move away.”

If the speaker is not as close as required for ideal suppression, then you will be able to hear each other with effort. True, there will still be interference and you will have to ask again.

There are two options here. The first is a speaker with a megaphone who will out-shout everyone. That is, a high-power transmitter capable of jamming a certain range. Or you can put a dozen people without a megaphone at a distance from each other, and they will cover an even larger area than a speaker with a swearing-box. And it will be more difficult to suppress them than a powerful transmitter.

We can again recall the experience of the Great Patriotic War, when in the operations of 1944-45 hundreds of our signalmen, armed with captured German radio stations, began to broadcast a meaningless set of groups on German frequencies when given a signal. Heresy clogged the airwaves, preventing the German command from establishing troop control.

And the “speaker with a megaphone” today is the Murmansk complex, which is capable of disrupting the connection between a group of ships in the Atlantic Ocean in this way.


“Murmansk” is capable of reaching the target very efficiently at distances that are simply stunning. Up to 5 km or more, and there were actually precedents when operators recorded their interference, which circled the globe and arrived “from the rear.”

Of course, all this is very energy-consuming. But often the game is worth the candle, especially when the Murmansk, which jams communications for ships in the North Sea, is far beyond the range of any weapons the adversary.

Second generation. In simple terms, this is when you are chatting at a table in a cafe, and at the next table the group begins to quietly sing a song you know. You may have a very meaningful topic of conversation (about wave theory, for example), but on the other hand, the painfully familiar melody “Para-para-paradise in our lifetime!” sounds, which makes you distracted, because the words and melody are very familiar.

And here the difference from the first generation is that you can sing much longer than you can yell, and without straining. And overload in the brain will occur much earlier than the singers’ vocal cords get tired.

Systems that jam transmission protocols are more complex, more expensive and easier to use. But less demanding in terms of energy.

Third generation. Third-generation systems work like this: they simulate a signal that is similar in structure to the original one, but is not one. In the process, part of the data is replaced, making the entire information package meaningless.

It’s like you’re talking to your interlocutor about the wave theory, and for every phrase “electromagnetic waves,” a confident “Yes, that’s right, hydraulic!” flies from the next table. And as a result, it turns out that hydraulic waves propagate in a vacuum at a speed close to the speed of light. Absurd? Yes, that’s the principle.

This method is called "spoofing". Yes, there is also GPS signal spoofing, but this is somewhat different. This is partly from the first generation, when the GPS receiver was shouting the same thing over and over again into the antenna, completely clogging up the original signal.

A very popular type of combat against drones today. The equipment costs pennies, and the damage... Actually, if anyone knows, it all started with the theft of expensive yachts.


Satellites hang above the planet, each of this crowd transmits a radio signal, which contains only the code of this satellite and a very precise time of transmission. All. Any GPS receiver, in a drone or smartphone, simply receives several such signals and determines its position relative to the satellites, and since their coordinates are known, calculations make it possible to determine where on the earth’s surface (or above) the receiver is located.

The problem is that signals from satellites reach the ground weakened by the atmosphere, and the antennas of most receivers are not particularly sensitive. Therefore, by placing even a moderately powerful radio transmitter nearby and broadcasting a fake, but technically correct GPS signal from it, you can easily jam the satellites and force all GPS receivers in the area to determine incorrect coordinates.

At the same time, receivers do not have the technical means to determine the direction of the signal, so they are unaware that the signal came from a completely different place. As a result, the missile or UAV flies somewhere in the wrong direction, if it flies at all. Now my whole city is practically under spoofing, it was very peculiar at first, but then we got used to it. But in a city without navigation, taxi drivers are not “imported specialists.”

Understood.

Let's move on, and now the most important question: do we have electronic warfare, and if so, where is it?



We have electronic warfare. And he is there, or almost there, where he is really needed. But there are very big problems with the proper execution of combat missions. The problems are called AGM-88 HARM for us and Kh-31PD for them.


A modern anti-radar missile is a very effective weapon. Small, fast, difficult to detect, it has a passive radar seeker (receiver) and it simply follows the transmitter signal. And he finds it. The high power of the warhead is not even needed, it hits the antenna unit - that’s it, the complex has arrived, and for a long time.

So, whether “88th” or “31st”, they don’t even have authority over stations with frequency tuning. They just fly to the signal source, and that’s it. And they fly from very decent distances, the maximum launch range is 120-150 km, this is a lot for a small missile that does not leave noticeable marks, and even flies at a speed of over 4 km/h (like the X-000PD). In general - no chance.

First of all, an electronic warfare complex is a large transmitter that must send waves over considerable distances. It’s easy to figure him out, target him too, and as for the time for approaching - you understand, the complex should work. And not one or two minutes, but more.

In general, this war has become so... anti-radar. How many “Zoos” have already been beaten because the radar turned on - a missile or a drone went off. It’s about the same with electronic warfare stations. Big losses precisely because they cannot help but work, and when they work, they completely betray themselves. Here, of course, each electronic warfare system needs to be properly equipped with its own air defense system, and one that will work in small sizes. The same “Pantsir”, in principle it can.

The second enemy is a kamikaze drone. It's not as smart as a rocket, but no less effective. Fortunately, it does not have a passive radar seeker, but it can also do things just as well as a rocket. Unfortunately.

So, indeed, the most effective electronic warfare so far is trench warfare, these are drone strikers on the front line who choke out drones. Thank God, there is something to work with, and we will talk about equipping drone strikers in the near future, it’s about time.

And it’s very difficult for mobile electronic warfare systems today. Any enemy plane or helicopter can carry one missile, which, if it detects electronic warfare tentacles reaching to the neck of the avionics, it simply takes it and shoots it. And he flew on, and you, gentlemen, deal with the rocket yourself. If you have time, of course.


Do the electronic warfare fighters themselves not understand the importance of their work? I communicated and everyone understood as one. What should they do when a drone with 5 kg of explosives is guaranteed to turn ANY station inside out? Maximum armor is when MT-LB hulls are assembled. That is, bulletproof. And in the rest everything is much sadder.


Modern Russian electronic warfare systems are quite ready to operate in, let’s say, not close to combat conditions. Unfortunately, this is so, and something will have to be done about this in the future if we want our electronic warfare to be combat-ready.

In general, a different concept of application is needed, not one that comes from the 70s, when it was believed that an electronic warfare station could simply stand in a small forest and work as long as necessary. A complex of protection is needed in the form of anti-aircraft air defense systems, coordination of the work of radar, air defense, and electronic warfare is required, prescribed for everyone.

Unfortunately, today electronic warfare is used according to the canons of the last century, but, in fact, where was it possible to hone the work in combat conditions? Well, the “Residents” were tested in Syria, the installation showed itself to be excellent, but again, the enemy’s mobile mortar crews coped well with the task of neutralization. But there were completely different conditions.


As a result: we have simply excellent electronic warfare systems, we wrote about many of them on our pages, there is a first generation, there is definitely a second generation, I don’t know about the third, most likely they also exist not on paper. KRET is generally one of the most effective military concerns in Russia, you can’t argue with that.

What's really missing today:
- protection of crews of electronic warfare systems;
- modern concept of using electronic warfare;
- clear coordination in the exchange of information between troops;
- truthful information about the work of electronic warfare.

If everything is more or less clear with the first points, then I’ll explain the last one. Perhaps, we don’t write as much about any other branch of the military as about electronic warfare. Invisible death to everything from the ether, soldiers of the invisible front with long arms, and so on.

And then you read (I’ve seen it with my own eyes more than once) how the Avtobaza or Avtobaza-M complex intercepts control of drones, cruise missiles and seagulls.


And it takes all this splendor somewhere. It’s really bleeding from the eyes that “Avtobaza” was generally registered in electronic warfare, a complex of electronic intelligence. A passive location, that is, in order to take away and plant, was not originally intended. It’s about detect-compute-report.

Or about “Krasukha” (no matter what number), it really has no analogues in the world in terms of the number of inventions. And it drops satellites from orbit, and burns out everything in orbit for them, and again, the UAV’s control channels are either intercepted or destroyed... And they, the “Krasukhas,” will continue to work as they worked on the radar of aircraft.


But no, we need to make up fairy tales. To scare the enemy half to death. And no one thinks that the enemy knows everything down to the micron, and all his writings only cause healthy laughter.

In general, this turned out to be a long article, but I think how an introduction to electronic warfare will go. In the continuation, we will analyze the list of strengths and weaknesses (as far as is enough) of Russian systems based on the results of almost two years of use, and we will especially look at anti-drone weapons.

Indeed, sometimes it’s even offensive how much nonsense they write about radio-electronic troops. Something needs to change.
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  1. -3
    8 December 2023 04: 11
    but I think how the introduction to electronic warfare will go.
    No, it won’t, if only because to incline radio-electronic FIGHTING in the masculine gender is not an indicator of at least some knowledge on the topic.
    We have electronic warfare. But he feels bad, and the one who is on the front line, and (especially) the one who should come tomorrow.
    1. -6
      8 December 2023 04: 28
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      We have electronic warfare. But he feels bad, and the one who is on the front line, and (especially) the one who should come tomorrow.

      There are no and cannot be limits to perfection. I don’t agree with the author about the range of radio waves; it can be expanded to a length of 0 mm, there is still a lot of possibilities in the future.
      1. +9
        8 December 2023 08: 08
        about the range of radio waves, it can be expanded to a length of 0 mm,
        0,01 mm (10 microns) is already the IR range with all its “charms”.
        1. +4
          8 December 2023 17: 33
          Everyday example: you are sitting in a shopping center and talking with someone. Suddenly a young man comes out of the store opposite and starts yelling
          Excuse me, what audience is this content for, first graders? It seems that the site is marked as 18+.
          1. +2
            8 December 2023 18: 18
            Excuse me, what audience is this content for, first graders? It seems that the site is marked as 18+.
            What does this have to do with an everyday example? Look at what’s in my post and don’t attribute to me what I didn’t have.
            1. +1
              9 December 2023 00: 33
              Content for those who want to talk about a topic without understanding it at all
        2. 0
          8 December 2023 23: 21
          Quote: Aviator_
          0,01 mm (10 microns) is already the IR range with all its “charms”.

          10 microns (30 THz) is the wavelength of radiation from bodies at a temperature of 300 degrees Kelvin or 23 degrees Celsius. And 100 microns or 3 THz bodies emit at 30 degrees Kelvin or minus 243 degrees Celsius. The article omitted the range from 3 THz to 30 THz! Where did you define it in the IR infrared range or what? Try to think carefully about what you wrote here and finally decide which specific frequency range can be attributed to the concept of the IR infrared range!
          PS: Let me remind you that space radiation has a color temperature of 3 degrees Kelvin - and this is only 300 GHz. Do you also attribute this radiation to the IR range?
          1. 0
            9 December 2023 09: 26
            10 microns (30 THz) is the wavelength of radiation from bodies at a temperature of 300 degrees Kelvin or 23 degrees Celsius.
            And isn't this IR radiation?
            Try to think carefully about what you wrote here and finally decide which specific frequency range can be attributed to the concept of the IR infrared range!
            This is absolutely true.
            1. 0
              9 December 2023 15: 42
              Quote: Aviator_
              10 microns (30 THz) is the wavelength of radiation from bodies at a temperature of 300 degrees Kelvin or 23 degrees Celsius.
              And isn't this IR radiation?
              According to you, it turns out that any heated body at a temperature above 0 degrees Kelvin emits IR infrared study, even if it is! Hz So we need to understand you??? I wrote that:
              Quote: venaya
              Let me remind you that space radiation has a color temperature of 3 degrees Kelvin - and this is only 300 GHz. Do you also attribute this radiation to the IR range?

              Didn't you read my post to the end? Or do you think a black body at a temperature of minus - 240 degrees Celsius also emits in the infrared IR wavelength range? At least you will define the basic concepts here: a warm body above 23 degrees Celsius emits electromagnetic waves in the IR infrared range, or a very frozen body “heated” to a temperature of minus -240 degrees also emits mainly in the IR infrared range. Do you and I have a lack of understanding in the field of Russian technical language? Please elaborate your answer in more detail.
              1. +1
                9 December 2023 16: 30
                or a very frozen body “heated” to a temperature of minus -240 degrees, too
                I have nothing about this radiation, this is your speculation. All I have to say is that 10 microns is the IR range. You can see it in a thermal imager. I leave everything else, including the 3K cosmic microwave background radiation, up to you.
                1. -2
                  9 December 2023 21: 01
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  . All I have to say is that 10 microns is the IR range. You can see it in a thermal imager

                  Where did I write that 10 microns is not an IR range? Read it again more carefully, I’m writing about the still undeveloped range in the range of 100 microns to 10 microns, which by no means can be included in the concept of IR infrared radiation because this is the dominant radiation of cold bodies and not heated above 27 degrees Celsius. Yes, indeed, the range from 0,7 microns to 10 microns is still included in the concept of the IR radiation range, but the range from 10 microns to 100 microns has 10 times greater information capacity than the range from 0 Hz to 3 THz. Just realize it!
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  I leave everything else, including the 3K cosmic microwave background radiation, up to you.

                  On what specific conscience? If you have other information about the color temperature at which outer space “fonts,” then please provide your figure, it will be very interesting.
      2. +1
        9 December 2023 00: 30
        Not possible up to "0,01mm". This range is very well absorbed by the atmosphere
        1. -2
          9 December 2023 00: 48
          Quote: futurohunter
          Not possible up to "0,01mm". This range is very well absorbed by the atmosphere
          Take a closer look at the throughput of the atmosphere in these ranges; they are full of holes, and that’s just the first thing.
          Secondly: Where exactly did I write that this range should be used exclusively in an atmospheric environment? I think that we should not limit ourselves so much to the use of this range only by today’s tasks limited to the topic of the day.
    2. +2
      8 December 2023 16: 43
      Regarding the declination of the abbreviation.
      I think the author, in this context, meant electronic warfare as a means (it) or a complex (it).
  2. +1
    8 December 2023 04: 19
    Russian electronic warfare: is it there or not?
    Already in the name itself is an ERROR. Since electronic warfare is FIGHT, and therefore feminine
    It’s really bleeding from the eyes that “Avtobaza” was generally registered in electronic warfare, a complex of electronic intelligence.
    In order to FIGHT something, you must first find out what it is. That’s why electronic warfare includes two tasks, this is electronic warfare, that is, reconnaissance and electronic warfare, and this is suppression
  3. +11
    8 December 2023 04: 56
    Verily
    how much nonsense they write
  4. +7
    8 December 2023 05: 15
    The problem is that the importance of electronic warfare has only become clear to big-time generals in recent years. Before this, electronic warfare was considered as one of the types of combat support, even lower in importance than communications. Hence the financing of R&D at the lowest level. This is not counting the problems with the Russian element base, since the speed in most cases of electronic warfare is much more important than the power of the transmitters.
    But the most problematic thing is that electronic warfare cannot now act on its own. Here the author correctly noted this
    it is necessary to coordinate the work of radar, air defense, electronic warfare, prescribed for everyone.
    . Such coordination is possible only at the level of automated control systems by troops. And in our country, not only are the databases and exchange protocols of specific ACSs not consistent, but the technical specifications also do not stipulate requirements for assessing the interference situation with the transfer of information to the ACS, even for such complex and sensitive devices as radars and SNR air defense systems, not to mention already about simple field radio stations. So it turns out that as long as there is a signal, everything is fine, no one bothers what is happening in the spectral range. And as soon as the signal disappeared, everyone immediately began scratching their turnips - something must have broken. From here it turns out that there is electronic warfare, but all military electronics work like “fish, crayfish and pike”. There is simply no radio-electronic compatibility and interaction.
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  6. -12
    8 December 2023 05: 29
    In order to influence enemy radio objects with your radio emissions, you must first of all have your own radio-electronic industry, and not pull chips out of Chinese washing machines and not purchase it all through third countries. Regular attacks by Skaklyak drones on our cities and even on the Kremlin well reflect the current state of our radio-electronic industry. Unfortunately!
    1. +4
      8 December 2023 07: 59
      Fancy cranberry, how much did you get it for?
      For electronic warfare systems to work, first they must be turned on at least, but if you try to turn them on, half of Moscow will be lost immediately, and unmanned vehicles will stop, the damage will be hundreds of times higher than broken glass from Ukrainian drones. Well, most chips in the world are not 7 nm or so, but about 200 nm. In the West, things are getting worse with electronic warfare systems; why don’t they even supply Chinese washing machines?
      1. 0
        8 December 2023 10: 21
        Unmanned vehicles...????
      2. 0
        8 December 2023 12: 04
        There are no cranberries in Holland, they are completely legal there
      3. +2
        8 December 2023 15: 39
        And who said that the West has worse electronic warfare?
    2. -1
      8 December 2023 08: 37
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      in order to influence enemy radio objects with your radio emissions, you first need to have your own radio-electronic industry, and not pull chips out of Chinese washing machines

      Man, go to “history” already...

      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Regular attacks by Skaklyak drones on our cities and even on the Kremlin

      Regular? To the Kremlin? Good herb, can you share? As for electronic warfare - regularly visiting Moscow, I regularly observe a navigator rushing like a dog... physically I am in Zamoskvorechye, but the navigator says the region, and very much in the south good laughing
      1. +11
        8 December 2023 09: 27
        Quote: Repellent
        Man, go to “history” already...

        What do you disagree with, Roma? Is it a secret to you that CHIPs and other electronics are imported under gray schemes? Have we really started producing cameras for Lancets? Or do we also rivet the heaters on new models?
        Quote: Repellent
        ? To the Kremlin? Good herb, can you share?

        Is yours over? wink Maybe that's why the navigator is buggy? laughing
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    3. +5
      8 December 2023 09: 09
      Did you listen to Ursula again? Which washing machine models have military-grade chips or microwave transistors?
      1. -11
        8 December 2023 10: 58
        Quote: sifgame
        Did you listen to Ursula again?

        Didn't study anywhere at all? First, read up on what a chip is and what it’s needed for, otherwise you’ll be cleaning up after someone all the time
  7. +16
    8 December 2023 05: 33
    Thanks to the author, the article is wonderful. Separately, I would like to note that it is written in accessible language, otherwise it happens here, especially in economics - they write it as if it were for graduate economists.
    Well, there are a lot of lies about electronic warfare - the problem is complex. Here is the fact that we are really ahead of the rest, that’s why the enemy has a childish interest in our electronic warfare systems, and by the way, hysteria with drones... If you now explain to a volunteer that that’s the Mavic. what he bought on AVITO does not mean that some unit will see the enemy, but that the enemy of the operator and, accordingly, the unit will detect it a hundred kilometers away - and multiply it by zero...
    Although this is for radio intelligence. But one dog - if you say this to the sect of “swarm FPV drones” - here diarrhea will flow from the site in streams under the incessant cries of “get out of everything.” So they don’t say - why make fools nervous again...
  8. +2
    8 December 2023 05: 48
    Radio waves are electromagnetic waves with frequencies from 30 kHz to 3 THz, that is, with a wavelength from 10 km to 0,1 mm.

    And then there is a range called VSD, which has frequencies from 3 kHz to 30 kHz with wavelengths from 100 km to 10 km, respectively.
    So, the main task of electronic warfare is to ensure that the signal from the transmitter does not reach the receiver. Or it arrived, but is not in good condition.

    The transmitter signal will reach the receiver in any case. But its energy level will be less than the sensitivity of the receiver, so the receiver will not detect it and, accordingly, will not accept it.
    Here it becomes clear that the main goal of any electronic warfare is the receiver, which, you understand, is a completely passive thing, it is very difficult to calculate it, unlike the transmitter.

    there is no need to calculate it. It is necessary to create such a noise level at the receiver input that the receiver cannot distinguish the useful signal from its background.
    All these phenomena are theoretically described by the “Kotelnikov’s Theorem”, “Shannon’s Distribution (Theorem)” and a number of others, which are quite difficult for humanists to understand.
    But in general and simply put, radio waves are like light, but invisible.

    Radio waves are part of the spectrum of electromagnetic radiation

    General conclusion: there is NO such thing as an absolute weapon!
    1. 0
      8 December 2023 07: 41
      "Kotelnikov's theorem

      I know!! This is a strobe light, and when the wheels on the screen spin in the opposite direction
      1. +1
        8 December 2023 18: 45
        Almost:)) Kotelnikov's theorem connects discrete and continuous signals and says that a continuous signal with a frequency limited by w can be reliably restored after transmitting this signal with a sampling frequency of 2w or more.
  9. -1
    8 December 2023 06: 00
    Article commissioned by Budanov? “I’m now throwing pieces of information mixed with controversial theses, and you, who are really in the know, will correct me and tell me everything.” Commentators, don't say too much!
  10. 0
    8 December 2023 06: 06
    No. I don’t need it. But I’ll read it out of idleness. Maybe some new complexes are described.
  11. +3
    8 December 2023 06: 07
    The author of the article is lucky - he understands everything ;))
    1. -1
      8 December 2023 12: 10
      Do you think this is luck? Maybe it’s the work of a whole team - each a paragraph, then put it in a pile and add a little ad-lib and edit it - done
  12. +3
    8 December 2023 06: 08
    Take it higher: from ants to solar flares
  13. -3
    8 December 2023 06: 21
    Only harm is 40 km, and PD can be thrown for a couple of hundred km
    1. -1
      8 December 2023 12: 13
      And who minus - what distances would you name?
  14. 0
    8 December 2023 06: 43
    I have a colleague now on LBS, recently they wrote off with him in a cart, the Khinzirs beat them with electronic warfare and now he says at every exit their birds are hammering Germans, he says they chipped in themselves and bought a complex in Moscow for 450 thousand and now they also have to bring it somehow
    1. +1
      8 December 2023 17: 49
      It’s not very clear - ours were hit by electronic warfare and ours are hitting the Ukrainians with drones? Or is it the other way around?
      1. 0
        8 December 2023 21: 11
        what is not clear is that his platoon was destroyed by electronic warfare and now there are 200 and 300 German birds at each exit
      2. 0
        8 December 2023 21: 19
        Do you want to say that I’m a babble, here’s the correspondence
  15. +1
    8 December 2023 07: 18
    Thank you, intelligible and interesting!
  16. 0
    8 December 2023 07: 32
    In principle, direction finders should locate the jamming point, and then a drone with a jammer or grenade should be sent there.
    1. 0
      8 December 2023 09: 45
      Gentlemen who are downvoting, before pressing the button, give at least some argument.
      1. +4
        8 December 2023 11: 04
        give at least some argument.
        Although I didn’t downvote, I will give reasons.
        In principle, direction finders should detect the jamming point
        Where did you get the idea that it is possible to determine the bearing to all “types” of jammers???
        and then a drone with a jammer or grenade should be sent there
        With a grenade it’s clear smile But what about the jammer??? One jammer will not affect another jammer!!!
        1. 0
          8 December 2023 22: 44
          Did I say that we need to suppress the source of interference? A “suppression point” is an enemy radio station that needs to be suppressed.
      2. 0
        8 December 2023 12: 15
        You won’t wait, believe me, it’s time-tested, so don’t ruin your mood and nerves
  17. 0
    8 December 2023 07: 36
    The main thing is that there are samples, new ones are appearing, development is underway, and the war will sharpen application skills!
  18. fiv
    +2
    8 December 2023 07: 42
    Electronic warfare and electronic warfare are secret things in themselves. Therefore, there are a lot of subtleties in this matter, and those that cannot be said or heard about. So there is no need to continue the article, because it is clear that this will be masking information. And, by the way, there is also life below 30 kHz, for submarines.
    1. +1
      8 December 2023 08: 01
      Quote: fiv
      Electronic warfare and electronic warfare are secret things in themselves

      Quote: fiv
      And, by the way, there is also life below 30 kHz, for submarines

      What a great guy: an informed person, and you can see it from afar. Because the mind betrays.
      It was possible to write both the first phrase and the second. But to fit it into one post... request
      1. fiv
        0
        8 December 2023 15: 14
        So this is not electronic warfare or electronic warfare. For a long time, the whole world has been communicating with submarines at frequencies for which the thickness of the water is not an obstacle, and the range of transmission is thousands of kilometers, even tens of thousands.
        1. 0
          8 December 2023 15: 26
          The whole world does not install kilometer-long antenna fields for communication with the square. Even staff members have only 4 such communication centers, if memory serves. This is a matter for narrow government specialists. There is no need to present serious things as trivial. This attitude can be ruinous. If you've been an officer, you know what I mean.
          1. fiv
            0
            8 December 2023 18: 06
            All this happened to me 40 years ago. There's probably no need to explain further to you.
      2. 0
        9 December 2023 00: 41

        Galleon
        Because the mind gives out

        Yeah, the author’s mind is already bulging out - there’s nowhere to hide
  19. +2
    8 December 2023 08: 09
    Perhaps we need to think about mobile electronic warfare systems at any base, from those already available on helicopters and airplanes, of which there are critically few, to cars and trains. A mobile electronic warfare system is much more difficult to hit.
  20. -2
    8 December 2023 08: 41
    Regarding reducing the likelihood of being hit by anti-location missiles. Basically, are simulators and decoys used? Even in the Yugoslav conflict, slightly modified microwaves were used to counteract it (if the news didn’t lie). The rocket is expensive. Therefore, 9 imitators reduce the probability of defeat by 10 times.
  21. +5
    8 December 2023 08: 51
    In general, this war has become so... anti-radar. How many “Zoos” have already been beaten because the radar turned on - a missile or a drone went off.
    Well, we figured out how to deal with this a long time ago. Spatial separation of the antenna itself and the transmitter. HARM is aimed at a relatively cheap antenna. The transmitter remains intact. wink
    1. +1
      8 December 2023 13: 45
      Quote: Ua3qhp
      Well, we figured out how to deal with this a long time ago. Spatial separation of the antenna itself and the transmitter.

      The product is good, but it reduces mobility.
  22. +4
    8 December 2023 09: 38
    Not only I, but also any radio and electronic warfare officer thought about many of the things that Roman wrote about in his next good article. And these thoughts, alas, are not just a dozen years old, but half a century old. But something slowed down military thought. Inevitably, the thought will come to mind about the benefits of war for the development of a military organization.
    1. 0
      9 December 2023 13: 00
      Quote: Galleon
      Inevitably, the thought will come to mind about the benefits of war for the development of a military organization.

      This idea has come to people's minds since Antiquity. And so far, no one has been able to figure out how to avoid the disintegration of the army in peacetime.
  23. +4
    8 December 2023 13: 42
    In order to write about electronic warfare, you need to understand what it is. Judging by such "revelations" as "radio waves are like light, but invisible" и “we have a term called “modulation”. It can be understood as a lot of things that can be done with a wave: compress, stretch, stretch, and so on”, the author is far from not only electronic warfare, but also from radio engineering, and even from a school physics course.
    It was probably necessary to start an article about electronic warfare with a definition of the key concept, so that it would be clear what the conversation is actually about.
    Electronic warfare is a set of activities carried out for the purpose of reconnaissance and subsequent suppression of enemy radio and optical-electronic means and systems, as well as electronic protection of one’s own radio and optical-electronic means and systems.

    The main components of electronic warfare are:
    - radio-electronic reconnaissance or radio-electronic information support,
    - electronic suppression (defeat),
    - electronic protection.
    In turn, each such part includes several more “subspecies”.
    For example, one type of electronic reconnaissance is radio reconnaissance - obtaining information about the enemy by searching, intercepting, direction finding and analyzing the emissions of his radio-electronic communications equipment.
    Naturally, it is not possible to present all aspects in one article.
    Perhaps there will be a trained author who, in a series of articles, will be able to cover the issue of electronic warfare in a normal, intelligible way. So that readers understand that the electronic warfare complex is not only
    "a large transmitter that should send waves over considerable distances."
    1. +5
      8 December 2023 15: 31
      Quote: Dekabrist
      Perhaps there will be a trained author who will be able to handle the issue of electronic warfare normally in a series of articles,

      Maybe you should immediately publish the electronic warfare software?
      Roman's article is normal. Good. Popular, adapted for a mass audience, up to first-year students. And older people either know more or are not supposed to know by their position.
      1. 0
        8 December 2023 16: 31
        up to first-year students

        First-year students of what - Penza Theological Seminary? I think that they are also more technically literate.
  24. +3
    8 December 2023 14: 15
    Just a couple of questions: why are the enemy’s planes still flying? And helicopters?
    And a completely stupid question: why the hell did they get involved in the war?
    A little aside, the new site design is inconvenient for me.
    1. +2
      8 December 2023 18: 39
      Regarding airplanes and helicopters: you cannot hug something that cannot be embraced. Although they knocked out most of the enemy’s aircraft fleet. And they got involved in the war thoughtlessly. And it seems to me that they didn’t really listen to what the General Staff said.
  25. -1
    8 December 2023 16: 38
    The truth is simple to the point of primitiveness - if you start using it against the enemy, you will automatically suppress everything on your own
  26. -1
    8 December 2023 16: 55
    nudk missiles they gave artu they gave the Ukrainians reconnaissance they give the USA to shoot down satellites and avaxes of the USA? It turns out that the United States is fighting our way of destruction, but we are not fighting theirs! this is where the problem comes from
  27. +2
    8 December 2023 17: 56
    Satellites hang above the planet, each of this crowd transmits a radio signal, which contains only the code of this satellite and a very precise time of transmission. All
    Not everything: they forgot the satellite coordinates.
    But there are very big problems with the proper execution of combat missions. The problems are called AGM-88 HARM for us and Kh-31PD for them.
    What’s stopping you from asking the Newsman from the air defense officers? Let them at least lower themselves then.
    In addition, electronic warfare is now a tricky thing (not all of them, of course): it doesn’t just pollute the airwaves, but forms a bunch of images of the target. And where to launch the rocket?
    But the main thing is that those who really understand electronic warfare do not write articles. And he won’t write comments on them either.
    1. +2
      8 December 2023 19: 28
      Not everything: they forgot the satellite coordinates.

      This is a separate almanac of all satellites and ephemeris, each with its own.
    2. 0
      9 December 2023 00: 26
      Satellites hang above the planet, each of this crowd transmits a radio signal, which contains only the code of this satellite and a very precise time of transmission. All

      Quote: bk0010
      Not everything: they forgot the satellite coordinates.

      Quote from solar
      This is a separate almanac of all satellites and ephemeris, each with its own.

      And that's still not all. Based on all this data, the GPS receiver will not determine the coordinates.
  28. -1
    8 December 2023 17: 57
    I won’t talk much about electronic warfare, because I made a conclusion long ago! "Electronic warfare is secondary! Active air defense/missile defense systems (MZA, ZPU, SAM) are primary! Electronic warfare will either cope with the air threat... or not! And when it becomes clear that the electronic warfare has gone wrong, it will be too late to defend ! And active air defense systems are more honest to the owners... yes, yes, no, no! The results are visible soon! If you didn’t shoot it down, then it’s your own fault (!)... you trained poorly! I think so!...... ......................................
    1. +2
      8 December 2023 19: 24
      Electronic warfare forces planes to rise from the ground, because their devices, which follow the terrain, begin to malfunction and the plane goes to a height where the air defense systems are already waiting for it am
      As for small and nasty UAVs, there is practically no alternative request
      1. 0
        9 December 2023 00: 29
        Finally, the planes are lifted by MANPADS and anti-aircraft artillery. EW height is violet... At least space
  29. -1
    8 December 2023 18: 51
    L'armée russe n'est pas une armée impérialiste pour avoir nécessairement des technologies hybrides...elle a tous les missiles possibles pour frapper le territoire américain et aucun système anti-aériens américains ne pourra arrêter les missiles russes... c'est l'enjeu....et c'est ceux à quoi Poutine a travaillé depuis 1999 jusqu'à aujourd'hui...
  30. +3
    8 December 2023 19: 07
    I completely agree with the opinion that everything should be united into a single network. And based on the tasks, solve the problem. Then electronic warfare and artillery and aviation will work more efficiently and safely.
  31. +3
    8 December 2023 19: 18
    but accepts, I’m not afraid of this word, receiver

    The author is a brave man, you can’t take that away from him, he’s not even afraid of the word receiver :)))
    But the factual side of the article is not very much in many places :(.
    The main task of electronic warfare is to ensure that the signal from the transmitter does not reach the receiver. Or it arrived, but not in suitable condition.

    To do this, you need to place huge iron sheets between the receiver and transmitter and ground them. Electronic warfare does not do this; electronic warfare affects the receiver, and not the signal, due to the fact that it sends its own signals to this receiver, interfering with the reception of useful information or replacing it.
  32. +1
    8 December 2023 19: 21
    The problems are called AGM-88 HARM for us and Kh-31PD for them.

    Typo however hi Kharm is theirs, and Kh-31 is ours feel
    Overall educational good I look forward to continuing
  33. +2
    8 December 2023 19: 58
    Why don’t our planes use the same much-hyped electronic warfare system “Khibiny”?
    We have electronic warfare. And he is there, or almost there, where he is really needed. But there are very big problems with the proper execution of combat missions.

    Well, that means it doesn’t exist, what’s the point of electronic warfare that can’t work? Recently there was a video where something cassette flew over a standing column with our soldiers, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine calmly filmed all this disgrace from a drone, it seems to me that electronic warfare was not used there at all.
    1. 0
      8 December 2023 21: 31
      Quote: Dmitry Rigov
      Why don’t our planes use the same much-hyped electronic warfare system “Khibiny”?

      They use it, if they didn’t use it, our aviation would have ended long ago. They only protect the plane itself, did you think they would jam everything within a radius of 100 km?
  34. +2
    8 December 2023 20: 22
    I completely agree with Roman. He himself served in 1988-1990 at the electronic warfare unit, at the Sary-Shagan training ground (position “Well”). We jammed air defense systems every Tuesday - Thursday during real shooting at different targets. Air defense systems: 75, 125, 200 and 300 complexes. We had about 20 stations for various purposes, including the 1RL22 product, which is now called “Krasukha”, we called it “Cheburashka”. This unit is specifically used against on-board radars of aircraft that have this radar. Yes. It has a receiving device that recognizes the amplitude, frequency and direction of the emitting radar and “response” in the form of a more powerful signal based on these characteristics. But! If the object is flying high and far. If it is low-flying, then this station should be either in the path of the aircraft with the radar, or nearby within line of sight. Is it possible for Krasukha-Cheburashka to suppress ground-based radio emission centers? Yes you can, but only in direct line of sight. 7 kilometers. Who will send these expensive products to the front line? Our ground-based electronic warfare has always been geared towards potential enemy aircraft. And aviation electronic warfare on the ground. In the Northern Military District it is necessary to develop the aviation component of electronic warfare.
  35. +3
    8 December 2023 20: 41
    We must also not forget that one of the tasks of electronic warfare is to intercept negotiations and data transmissions along enemy communication lines. Even wired. In addition to fiber optics. With the supply of noise interference. Now, it is clear that everything is encrypted, but you can “quench” the frequencies. True, this requires deploying entire antenna fields. Which is also problematic in the conditions of the Northern Military District. But you can broadcast on open channels or via SMS messages. For example, as one electronic warfare operator who fought in the 8-day war told me, they sent an SMS message from the electronic warfare station to the Georgian troops opposite (to all cell phones that were registered) in Georgian, “that the Russians will use tactical nuclear weapons in two hours "Everyone put on gas masks and OZK and find shelter." Instead of implementing these recommendations, Georgians fled en masse. This is also the work of electronic warfare.
  36. 0
    8 December 2023 21: 12
    Or how to “quench” the signal from the satellite to the Global Hawk UAV? On the “hump” there is an antenna directed into space. "Krasukha-Cheburashka" is not able to do this. It is necessary to “extinguish” the satellite itself. How many decibels should a ground station produce? It is possible to “quench” GPS signals, but only for low-lying objects, which is what is being done. And again, it is necessary to know the coordinates of the object, which change rapidly in real time. Use radar? But the direct and side beams of electronic warfare stations “work” not only against the enemy but also against their own radars and radio-emitting systems. And even more against our own people, because they are closer than the enemy. A constant dilemma. So, electronic warfare is not a panacea, but only one of the tools of modern warfare.
  37. 0
    8 December 2023 21: 33
    How effective are harms and anti-radar missiles in general? There is a lot of talk, but is there any confirmation?
    It’s surprising to hear about the losses of “zoos”; they could be counted on one hand in the army, but the author has the statistics of their losses right on hand
    1. +1
      8 December 2023 22: 14
      Anti-radar missiles against counter-battery radars are very effective. For example, the characteristics of the “Zoo” were known to everyone, since these radars are very powerful and were originally produced in Ukraine. Harms have been “sharpened” on them since the beginning of the 80s. Therefore, they were immediately “knocked out” in the first year of the war. Moreover, they can only work continuously, tracking the launch of projectiles, without pauses. Otherwise there is no point in them. We have learned to destroy similar AN/TPQ-48 and other series as well. But the AN/TPQ series is cheaper and simpler. Basically they are disposable. Tripod and radar. Unlike the "Zoo" on a self-propelled chassis and a phased array radar. Therefore, the amers “saturated” the entire line of contact with them. From the word "a lot". Which even caused a scandal in the Ministry of Defense over counter-battery warfare. What if we have analogues to the AN/TPQ line? Don't know. Haven't noticed yet.
      1. 0
        8 December 2023 22: 22
        Quote: rruvim
        Therefore, they were immediately “knocked out” in the first year of the war.

        is there any confirmation? Zoos were shown on camera a couple of times throughout the Northeast Military District, one was covered on camera, one of ours was abandoned near Kupyansk. They were practically not purchased, they were not modernized, and specialists for them are not trained anywhere.
        1. 0
          8 December 2023 22: 28
          There is a video. True, I saw only two defeats for the Zoos. They only need fragmentation hits on the phased array antenna. In the first year of the war there weren't many drones to record. The answer is simple: now there is not a single photo or video of the presence of “Zoos” in the Northeast Military District zone. Just as there is practically no video of the presence of the Tunguska. Except for one photo on "Rybar". Everyone was knocked out. The “truth” of war and nothing more. But there are other systems that are more advanced. For example: Murmansk.
          1. 0
            8 December 2023 22: 34
            Quote: rruvim
            In the first year of the war there weren't many drones to record.

            the Armed Forces of Ukraine had enough drones, well, that is, you just wrote that, based on nothing
            Quote: rruvim
            The answer is simple: now there is not a single photo or video of the presence of “Zoos” in the Northeast Military District zone.

            and that's all the information? Are there videos of functioning zoos or just those two defeats?
            Quote: rruvim
            Just as there is practically no video of the presence of the Tunguska. Except for one photo on "Rybar". Everyone was knocked out.

            Are you a cipher or just have intellectual difficulties? Why not write that all T-44s were knocked out in the war, since there is no video? Almost all Tunguskas are disabled from birth. You wouldn't mind having a tag on your avatar so that people don't pay attention to you and waste time
            1. 0
              8 December 2023 22: 37
              Fine! I will look for the defeat of “Zoo” on the net. Because that was a year ago. And you will find a photo of "Tunguska" now in the NVO zone.
              1. 0
                8 December 2023 22: 52
                Quote: rruvim
                I will look for the defeat of “Zoo” on the net. Because that was a year ago.

                good, preferably with defeat with the harms that knocked everything out. And it is also advisable to look for those zoos that we show in working form.
                Quote: rruvim
                And you will find a photo of "Tunguska" now in the NVO zone.

                No, look for the knocked-out Tunguskas, because you wrote that since they are not in the Northern Military District, it means they are all lost. According to my theory, which many in VO agree with, by 2022 almost all of the Tunguskas are incapable of combat and will not be used. And not only us, but also the Ukrainian Armed Forces, their Tunguskas are not much smaller than ours.
            2. -1
              8 December 2023 22: 47
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ejlWyNT-A

              Filming from the enemy's side.
              1. 0
                8 December 2023 22: 52
                Hemars works using coordinates. What's the harm?
                1. -1
                  8 December 2023 23: 19
                  But read the performance characteristics of the 88th "Kharm". Everything is freely available. In any case, radars and SNR, both ours and the enemy’s, operate near the line of contact for a short time.
                  Even if Kharm still has an imprint of the radiation location in his on-board computer, then moving our station 30 meters to the side reduces all the efforts of AGM-88 to nothing. And stationary radars are deep in the rear. Actually we have the same problem with X31/X38. But we can launch them at least from airplanes, while the Ukrainians of Kharma can only launch them from the ground (there is such a possibility).
                  1. 0
                    9 December 2023 00: 24
                    How is this harm from the earth? I haven't heard anything about this. But the pilots of the 404th haven’t heard about your opinion and carry them on the MiG-29 and Su-24
                  2. 0
                    9 December 2023 01: 58
                    Quote: rruvim
                    But read the performance characteristics of the 88th "Kharm". Everything is freely available. In any case, radars and SNR, both ours and the enemy’s, operate near the line of contact for a short time.

                    It’s clear why these harms are found either in a flowerbed or in some house. They somehow let us through Belgorod, they just fell into a field, one ended up in a high-rise building. And the Americans in Iraq also fired at their own patriot and there one small fragment hit the entire radar. After all, the exact coordinates of a radar or electronic warfare system can be easily calculated from a hundred kilometers away. In general, it’s a really cool weapon in terms of performance characteristics, and the fact that no one showed either the arrival or the consequences even once is because the mobile phone was dead. By the way, they don’t show the armata either, because they knocked everything out with jovelins and bayraktars, have you seen the performance characteristics of these weapons?
                    You should at least stop disgracing yourself, the magic of the Internet doesn’t work here
        2. 0
          9 December 2023 13: 11
          They allegedly counted 17 pieces on the lying Oryx.
          1. 0
            9 December 2023 13: 50
            On Oryx they counted more than five thousand captured Russian tanks, which, however, appear in battles less often than leopards.
            1. 0
              9 December 2023 20: 20
              The fact that Oryx very freely lists as trophies any apparently intact equipment against which the Ukrainians took photographs is a well-known fact. But your specific argument about the rarity of appearances in battles is not suitable to refute the number of captured tanks. Serviceable vehicles rarely become trophies, and after the bombing of the Ukrainian military industry there is nowhere to repair them; their own tanks are transported to the Czech Republic and Poland for repairs. Then, neither Ukrainian, nor Czech and Polish repairmen are familiar with the stuffing of Russian tanks (already quite far removed from Soviet models), there is no documentation, spare parts are not produced. For example, let’s take another figure, not from the deceitful Oryx, but from the most truthful Russian side - that at the beginning of the conflict the Ukrainian Armed Forces only had 800 tanks on the move, and there were 2300 of them in total, the rest were in storage. So, how many of them were they able to recover from this storage? Apparently, the same number as trophies.
              1. 0
                9 December 2023 20: 37
                Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
                Serviceable cars rarely become trophies

                But they are not recorded as captured, they are recorded as destroyed, of which there are a thousand or even two. There are questions about the recount, since a lot of things were obviously counted 10 times, from different angles in different places, here a self-propelled gun peeks out from behind a tank, two pieces, here a tank from behind a self-propelled gun, two more pieces.

                Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
                For example, let’s take another figure, not from the deceitful Oryx, but from the most truthful Russian side - that at the beginning of the conflict the Ukrainian Armed Forces only had 800 tanks on the move, and there were 2300 of them in total, the rest were in storage. So, how many of them were they able to recover from this storage?

                Quite a bit, there were more than 64 thousand T4s; out of two or three, only one was assembled. Tank repair factories are hardly bombed, they actively recruit employees, this is a reservation from the army and often the only paid work today. They assemble airplanes there in this way and drag equipment from museums, what are we talking about anyway?
                1. 0
                  9 December 2023 21: 00
                  Quote from alexoff
                  Tank repair plants are almost never bombed

                  Oh well, they don't bomb. There was a case at the very beginning, some deputy or some other publicity stunt posted a photo from a workshop where captured T-80s and BMP-3s were just being repaired. It arrived at this workshop tomorrow.

                  Quote from alexoff
                  And they are not recorded as captured, they are recorded as destroyed

                  They're just recording. The tank broke down, our people abandoned it right on the road (why they didn’t burn it is a question for them). The Ukrainians came. They have nothing to evacuate the tank, nowhere, no time, and sometimes there is no need. We took a photo with him in the background - Oryx counted it as captured. They threw a grenade into the hatch, took a photo again against the backdrop of the burnt carcass - Oryx counted it as destroyed.

                  Quote from alexoff
                  Quite a bit, there were more than 64 thousand T4s; out of two or three, only one was assembled.

                  The question is at what pace. If only ten a month. We have much more tanks in storage, and the state of industry even in peacetime was much better, and somehow batches of thousands are not looming. It’s the same with the Americans - in the Sierra Nevada the rows reach the horizon, but they can raise dozens a year.
  38. +2
    8 December 2023 22: 13
    And now Skomorokhov is an electronic warfare specialist, bravo, multi-machine operator.
    The government needs to throw everything out completely and put Roma there, the General Staff and other strategists there, and one person will replace them all at once. He knows about everything, he doesn’t need permission - he is a genius, a thinker, an authority!!!
    1. +3
      8 December 2023 23: 20
      Don't shoot the pianist... Someone has to fill the site with content so he doesn't die.
    2. 0
      9 December 2023 00: 22
      Well, yes, he will fire anti-radar missiles at drone operators... and interfere with microwaves am
  39. +2
    8 December 2023 23: 44
    And so. alexoff criticized my critical attitude towards the Zoo counter-battery radar. I may be wrong. I wasn’t inside, I only read the specifications on the internet. But I have experience. At our point we had a passive radiation recognition station POST-3M, commonly known as “Shepherd”. On the lamps. Late 60s. She did only one thing: she recorded radiation, any radiation except photon radiation at 360 degrees. For this purpose there was a separate receiving rotating antenna on the semi-trailer. On the circular monitor (oscilloscope a meter in diameter) the direction of the signal (course) during topographical reference and the signal strength were visible. Two additional oscilloscopes provided data on the frequency and amplitude of the signal (which, however, is the same). From the tables it was possible to determine the source. B-52 or TOMKET. But also on the ground, of course. Briefly speaking. They brought “Zoo” for testing to the Kazakh steppe. He was about 12 kilometers from us. We have identified only one “Shepherdess” for sure. Up to 10 meters its coordinates. A passive station of the century before last. It burned with its radar radiation, like a Christmas tree. But he didn't see us. We didn't shoot. And if there had been a self-propelled gun nearby, they would not have missed.
    1. 0
      9 December 2023 13: 53
      Quote: rruvim
      And so. alexoff criticized my critical attitude towards the Zoo counter-battery radar.

      I criticized your crazy attitude towards anti-radar missiles, which you have are incredible only in terms of performance characteristics. With which the Ukrainian Armed Forces intended to destroy the Russian air defense system a year ago, but it seems it didn’t work out.
  40. -1
    8 December 2023 23: 53
    You're lying. Our rab has no analogues in the world. And our Su24 with the Khibiny complex burned out all the electronics on Donald Cook.
    1. +2
      8 December 2023 23: 56
      Too thick, don't you think?
    2. 0
      16 December 2023 22: 05
      And the asses of the American sailors)))) and then it turned out that it was a tape. I’m lying
  41. +4
    9 December 2023 00: 20
    the author, burst out with the usual stream of megabytes on the next topic, about his knowledge of which he himself let slip:

    Indeed, sometimes it’s even offensive how much nonsense they write about radio-electronic troops

    Roman does not know either the existence of a phase in radio waves or distracting interference (he knows only barrier interference). Navigation and telemetry channels get in the way. In short... as usual... the article is simply a storehouse of information... about nothing(((
  42. +2
    9 December 2023 00: 20
    The potential of electronic warfare is clear, as is the fact that it is hardly worth betting too much on it in the future. Now the production of minimal topology chips will be in full swing - they will be used to build intelligent search-and-kill systems for missiles and drones, which will at least be much more dexterous in navigating by the image of the terrain, forgiving an array of changes and navigating by tens or hundreds of parameters, and at the very least they will learn to recognize the target." tank" and go straight to the bull's eye. And there will be a standard modular drone of 2 variations - anti-personnel, anti-technical. We attached the warhead to the task, loaded the flight location track and a map of the destination area - and off we went. To the approximate area on the inertial system - there are already landmarks or a “free hunting” strategy. For those who don’t believe that this is the future, I recommend watching it; there are already plenty of videos on the internet about how well AI models have been trained to recognize objects.
    A mosquito doesn’t need big brains to find your sweet elbow and suck on you; good, well-honed algorithms are enough.
    Electronic warfare will be useless against this. It still shows itself as an exclusively local remedy (albeit with great effectiveness), and in the future it will worsen.
    Jamming communications - yes, it’s good, it’s necessary. But the potential to combat drones and WTO will dramatically decline after this conflict.

    As for the survival of the electronic warfare itself, I see only one solution here, namely the design possibility of quickly separating and dispersing the antenna and control point in position. This is probably not applicable for all electronic warfare, but it is the best option. Make the antenna as cheap as possible, quickly deployed, quickly deployed and quickly replaced. All technical guts that can be moved to the control center. A rocket will arrive and destroy the antenna, but the crew and expensive equipment will remain intact. Neither speed, nor reservations, nor the provision of missile defense can solve the situation so well.
    1. 0
      9 December 2023 02: 51
      It seems there is an option: 2 spaced apart antennas, and HARM flies in the middle between them.
  43. +3
    9 December 2023 00: 36
    The title of the article is formulated in the form of a question to which one would like to ask a counter question: the author doesn’t know a damn thing, or really, really doesn’t know a damn thing?
  44. +4
    9 December 2023 03: 23
    Previously, the articles were gorgeous, but now Skomorokhov, who does not know the school physics curriculum. The authors are dying. I'm afraid to guess who will replace Roma
  45. +1
    9 December 2023 10: 16
    Indeed, sometimes it’s even offensive how much nonsense they write about radio-electronic troops. Something needs to change.
    Well, for the author of the article, the signal strength depends on the modulation, so yes, there is a lot of nonsense now..
  46. 0
    9 December 2023 12: 34
    Thanks to the author for the article!
    There were more than a hundred comments. This means that the purpose of the publication has been achieved. There is saliva flying at the author, and humanitarian thoughts, and technical ones...
    One of the first comments was very surprising. “... if electronic warfare is He, then you don’t have to read further...” Somehow too categorical.
    It was interesting to read about "Shepherdess". Probably the equipment was in one kung, and there were several antennas scattered about 100 meters from the kung. I won't ask about frequencies. Suddenly they are still secret.
    One of the commentators wrote that separating the transmitter and a cheap, quickly mounted/dismounted and easily replaced antenna will give a good result. But there is a contradiction here... We don’t need to emit 360 degrees at 10 MHz. And in a narrow sector at GHz. And change the direction of radiation. If I can quickly remove/install it, I can understand, but if I can replace it cheaply and easily, I can’t. There are either motors with directional antennas, or phased antenna systems. For me, it’s easier with motors. But about cheap, that’s unlikely.
    I didn’t like the gloomy forecast of a future where computing will outperform physical structures. Because it's scary.
    1. 0
      9 December 2023 15: 52
      Quote from Fangaro
      If I can quickly remove/install it, I can understand, but if I can replace it cheaply and easily, I can’t. There are either motors with directional antennas, or phased antenna systems. For me, it’s easier with motors. But about cheap, that’s unlikely.

      You can deliver a simple jamming radio transmitter itself to the target using an ordinary uncontrolled eres. Once upon a time they jammed German acoustics on submarines or illuminated the area.
  47. 0
    9 December 2023 13: 07
    From the creator of the single-engine Rafale...
  48. 0
    9 December 2023 14: 01
    This is where the “pseudoscience” of etheric interaction would come in handy. Risk? Well, where would we be without it? You can “turn off the lights” on the entire planet.

    Will this be good or bad? Rather good. “The forester came and drove the Germans and partisans out of the forest.”
  49. +1
    9 December 2023 16: 40
    Quote: ycuce234-san
    Quote from Fangaro
    If I can quickly remove/install it, I can understand, but if I can replace it cheaply and easily, I can’t. There are either motors with directional antennas, or phased antenna systems. For me, it’s easier with motors. But about cheap, that’s unlikely.

    You can deliver a simple jamming radio transmitter itself to the target using an ordinary uncontrolled eres. Once upon a time they jammed German acoustics on submarines or illuminated the area.


    What frequency will the simplest radio interference transmitter operate at?
    A spark will of course mess everything up. You just need to attach the thermal power plant to it. Unnoticeable.
    If for a certain frequency range, then which one? Where are the enemies? And then what other frequency range will ours be on?
    Enemies on 5 GHz, and ours on 2 MHz? And how can we agree so that they don’t interfere with us?
    ITU ask for frequency allocation?
    Blinken and Lavrov no longer speak.
    Do you propose that the RF Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces of Ukraine come to an agreement?
    1. 0
      9 December 2023 17: 14
      An interesting incident occurred in our city in the late 90s, when private broadcast radio stations were already allowed. One of them suffered an internal breakdown. And the station with a power of several kilowatts, instead of broadcasting at a strictly defined frequency, began to emit a wide frequency band and paralyzed the work of the airport, which was located several kilometers away. Here is an example of electronic warfare.
    2. 0
      9 December 2023 18: 46
      Quote from Fangaro
      A spark will of course mess everything up.

      According to the inverse square law, a weak transmitter thrown towards the receiver will have enough power to jam it.
      As for stationary options, we can rethink the old idea of ​​electric barriers, which were once used to defend fortresses and the capital. Only now they can be used to power networks of simple radio jammers, supplying energy with cables from the depths of the rear. When stamped at a factory, some kind of spark transmitter costs several tens or hundreds of rubles, which is several times cheaper than even a very cheap drone and even mortar shells, which cost from several thousand. That is, the economics of such a struggle are expedient.
  50. +2
    9 December 2023 17: 06
    Are ours better? Yes. For now - yes, and much better.


    After such boasting, a slight mistrust immediately arises.

    Moreover, the potential enemy understands electronic warfare more broadly than we do (at least as the author of the article described it) - electronic warfare for them is not only about creating interference for the enemy, but also comprehensive protection against enemy interference:

    https://publishing.intelgr.com/archive/Mihaylov-RB.pdf
    Electronic warfare in the US Armed Forces is divided into the following activities:
    − electronic attack (EA – Electronic Attack);
    − radioelectronic protection (EP – Electronic Protect);
    − electronic warfare support (EWS – Electronic Warfare Support).
  51. 0
    9 December 2023 17: 27
    Quote: Alexey Lantukh
    An interesting incident occurred in our city in the late 90s, when private broadcast radio stations were already allowed. One of them suffered an internal breakdown. And the station with a power of several kilowatts, instead of broadcasting at a strictly defined frequency, began to emit a wide frequency band and paralyzed the work of the airport, which was located several kilometers away. Here is an example of electronic warfare.


    Thanks for the real example!
    But this is already "REB Yaga". Because I installed all the communication systems. Both strangers and our own.
    And the goal is only to cover the enemy with interference.
    1. 0
      16 December 2023 01: 55
      Quote from Fangaro
      Quote: Alexey Lantukh
      An interesting incident occurred in our city in the late 90s, when private broadcast radio stations were already allowed. One of them suffered an internal breakdown. And the station with a power of several kilowatts, instead of broadcasting at a strictly defined frequency, began to emit a wide frequency band and paralyzed the work of the airport, which was located several kilometers away. Here is an example of electronic warfare.


      Thanks for the real example!
      But this is already "REB Yaga". Because I installed all the communication systems. Both strangers and our own.
      And the goal is only to cover the enemy with interference.


      Oh, oh, oh... In the 80s of the last century, an “organ grinder” lived in a nine-story building opposite.
      You pick up the landline phone and there: “microvolt”, “microvolt”... Call signs in a voice.
      I went to this “microvolt” and recommended setting up the transmitter... He seemed to nod, but did not heed. I had to use electronic warfare pliers! I bit off one end of the antenna. Later he promised to pull the RK so hard that the transmitter would fly out the fourth floor window...
      Electronic warfare does work... bully
  52. +1
    9 December 2023 18: 35
    . Soviet achievements and developments are almost exhausted

    Here we seem to be running into physics...
    But it’s okay, our stubborn ones will sell her out laughing
  53. +1
    9 December 2023 22: 41
    Interesting, but I didn't get it...
  54. +1
    14 December 2023 09: 34
    For those who doubt the power of electronic warfare from the department of a “wood carver practicing Orthodoxy,” I advise you to re-read the tale once again, how old Su crushed an entire mortar with his electronic warfare! Upon returning, the crew, in tears and snot, rushed to write dismissal reports. Moreover, everything was done so masterfully that even the developers are scratching their heads about how they managed to hang the Khibiny on an old Su...
    1. 0
      16 December 2023 22: 02
      Lenta.ru threw it in, as far as I understand.
  55. 0
    16 December 2023 01: 43
    Quote: futurohunter
    Roman does not know either the existence of a phase in radio waves or distracting interference (he knows only barrier interference). Navigation and telemetry channels get in the way. In short... as usual... article - just a storehouse of information... about nothing (((


    And your mustache has come unglued! hi
    Typo according to Freud... Actually, what information do you need? Just don’t offer hryvnias or dollars.
  56. 0
    16 December 2023 02: 20
    Quote: ycuce234-san
    Quote from Fangaro
    A spark will of course mess everything up.

    According to the inverse square law, a weak transmitter thrown towards the receiver will have enough power to jam it.
    As for stationary options, we can rethink the old idea of ​​electric barriers, which were once used to defend fortresses and the capital. Only now they can be used to power networks of simple radio jammers, supplying energy with cables from the depths of the rear. When stamped at a factory, some kind of spark transmitter costs several tens or hundreds of rubles, which is several times cheaper than even a very cheap drone and even mortar shells, which cost from several thousand. That is, the economics of such a struggle are expedient.



    Jammers have long been installed along many traffic routes. Phones definitely don't work up close.
    Any REO needs to be sent with a heavy-duty compact transmitter. Topic: "Alabuga".
  57. 0
    16 December 2023 20: 42
    In short, I understand that there seems to be electronic warfare, but in reality there isn’t. As always, nothing works and everything turned out to be nothing, “white elephants” like “Armata”. What about the suppression of an entire American destroyer by our SU? How happy they were then..
    1. +1
      16 December 2023 22: 01
      Only ordinary people and cheerleaders rejoiced. But it turned out that the tape made it all up. I’m lying
  58. +1
    16 December 2023 22: 00
    Are ours better? Yes.
    -----------

    You don’t need to read any further than Skomorokhov.

    Skomorokhov, have you personally tested American, European, Israeli rabbis? Or somewhere their slave opposed ours?

    What kind of kindergarten is this and who even missed your article on this resource?
    1. +1
      16 December 2023 22: 11
      The degree of patriotism must be maintained.)) “People eat” (c)
      1. +1
        17 December 2023 01: 49
        Yes, not a day without brainwashing. )
  59. +1
    17 December 2023 00: 49
    Nonsense. EMP weapons and the HiJENKS project in the USA are already reaching the finish line. Next - to the troops, and the end of the enemy’s entire line of electronic warfare in any form, mechanized units follow in trailer, since all the electronics of the vehicles are burned out
  60. 0
    26 December 2023 02: 11
    Is there no flying electronic warfare at all?
  61. 0
    5 January 2024 07: 05
    You shouldn’t throw it at the author, who tried to convey to everyone the essence of the work of electronic warfare. As a signalman, everything is already clear to me, but to a tanker... Basically, it’s the same as for me in tanks and in other realities. Our pain points in the matter are the scanty amount of equipment and trained specialists! The reasons are clear; the culprits, as usual, sit higher in warm places or behind a hill! Therefore, in my opinion, we have a real system in isolated samples and loud statements from press centers!
  62. 0
    23 January 2024 17: 42
    You might think that the problem of electronic warfare can be solved by deception. Back in Yugoslavia, it worked great from microwaves
  63. 0
    4 February 2024 11: 48
    I strongly disagree with the author’s phrase:

    There are fewer and fewer fools in the world


    The percentage of fools is a global constant. This is the same as saying: “the number π has decreased noticeably in recent years”
  64. 0
    20 March 2024 15: 45
    I am not at all an expert in radar, electronic warfare, etc. But a long time ago, one old air defense officer told me how the Vietnamese learned to cope with US air defense missiles. They installed two radars connected to one command post, at a great distance from each other. At any given time, only one radar is operational. The launch of the PRR is detected by the radar, then after some time the first radar is turned off, the second is turned on, the missile is retargeted to a new signal. Knowing the distance to the missile and its speed, the last switch is made at the moment in time when the missile is guaranteed to have time to redirect, but will not have time to reach the new target without hitting the ground. I understand that now rockets are smarter and remember coordinates, etc. But are they retargeting? Again, make the emitter remote, cheap or mobile. Yes, even moving it 20 meters will be enough, given the low power of the PRR warhead.
    All the thoughts I have expressed are nothing more than reflections on a given topic)))