Increase in numbers and new principles of recruitment: latest decisions in the field of recruitment of the armed forces

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Increase in numbers and new principles of recruitment: latest decisions in the field of recruitment of the armed forces


Given current and future threats to national security and defense needs, Russia's military and political leadership is developing its armed forces in a variety of ways. In particular, an increase in the size of the army is planned, and some principles for recruiting military personnel must also change. Some decisions in this area have already been made and are being prepared for implementation, while others are still at the preparation stage.



Strength issues


On December 1, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree establishing the regular strength of the armed forces. According to this document, their total number should be increased to 2209130 ​​people. The number of military personnel will increase to 1320000 people. The government has been instructed to provide the Ministry of Defense with the necessary funding. The decree came into force from the date of its signing.

This is not the first decree of this kind issued over several years. At the same time, it is the last two decrees that are of particular interest - the previous one, dated August 25, 2022, and the new one, dated December 1, 2023. Unlike other similar documents, these decrees were issued after the start of the Special Operation to protect Donbass and take into account the current needs and capabilities of the army .

It should be recalled that from January 1, 2018, in accordance with the decree of November 17, 2017, the authorized strength of the Armed Forces was 1902758 people, including 1013628 military personnel. Last year's decree, which came into force on January 1, 2023, increased the size of the army to 2039758 people, incl. 1150628 military personnel. At the same time, both indicators increased due to an increase in the number of military personnel by 137 thousand people.


The new decree, already accepted for execution, provides for an increase in the total number of armed forces by approx. 170 thousand military personnel. An increase in the number of civilian personnel is again not envisaged.

The two most recent increases in the size of the armed forces are due to a number of well-known factors. This is the need to continue hostilities within the current Special Operation, the need to control and protect new regions, as well as a large flow of volunteers. It is not difficult to calculate that, as a result of the two decrees, the number of armed forces will increase by 300 thousand people. - This is almost a third of the number of military personnel who were in service before the beginning of last year.

New requirements


Earlier this year, amendments to the Law on Conscription and Military Service were adopted, changing the age of conscription. On November 24, the Russian government issued a decree making appropriate adjustments to the Regulations on conscription for military service, the Regulations on military registration and the Regulations on military medical examination.

In accordance with these documents, from January 1, 2024, the age of conscripts will change. People will still be allowed to join the army from the age of 18, but the maximum conscription age will be raised to 30 years. There are plans for further changes. The need to raise the lower limit to 21 years of age was mentioned, but this will be done later.


It is also now planned to change the requirements for conscripts. On November 28, a document from the Ministry of Defense “On Amendments to the Regulations on Military Medical Examination” appeared on the Federal Portal of Draft Regulatory Legal Acts. The text of this project has not yet been published, but its card contains all the basic information about its goals and objectives, possible deadlines, etc.

According to published data, new changes will affect citizens conscripted for military service, accepted for contract work, entering military universities, etc. It is proposed to improve the system of medical examination of persons with diseases that do not have a significant impact on the ability to serve. How exactly the inspection principles will be revised, what requirements will be softened or tightened, is not specified.

At the moment, the Federal Project Portal invites citizens to submit their proposals. Then new stages of document preparation will begin. It is reported that, as a result of these events, changes will be made to the Regulations on military medical examination. They will tentatively come into force in December 2024.

It is expected that a reasonable relaxation of health requirements will increase the volume of personnel recruitment. A larger number and greater percentage of conscripts and volunteers will be able to undergo a military medical examination and join the armed forces. The task of increasing the number of the latter will be solved faster and more efficiently.


Rejected offer


There is another way to increase the size of the army and bring it to the required level. Thus, on December 3, State Duma deputy and retired general Andrei Gurulev proposed in his blog the return of military service lasting two years. He called the positive consequences of this a general increase in the number of conscripts with the same number of conscripts, as well as an increase in the quality of training of mobilization resources.

On the same day, this idea was supported by another deputy and general Viktor Sobolev. He believes that a soldier should undergo training for the first six months of service, and serve directly in the troops for the next year and a half. In this case, according to the deputy, the troops will become truly combat-ready.

A. Gurulev and V. Sobolev are members of the Duma Committee on Defense. On December 4, their proposals were commented on by the chairman of the committee, Andrei Kartapolov. He noted that the need to increase service life is solely the personal opinion of his colleagues, and the committee does not share such ideas. Today, there is simply no need for such measures - from the point of view of national security, economics and simple logic.

In addition, A. Kartapolov stated that there are no plans to increase the number of regular positions in the Armed Forces. In this regard, if the service life increases, the renewal of personnel will slow down, and the army will prepare half as much military resources. At the same time, existing training programs provide training for soldiers in the first six months of service.


Thus, the possibility of changing the length of service for conscripts is discussed only privately by individuals. Official structures do not even consider such a scenario and use other methods of developing the armed forces.

Answering calls


Currently, the Russian armed forces are solving a number of important military and political tasks, and also face characteristic risks and threats. They have to simultaneously demilitarize the Kyiv regime, protect new regions, contain unfriendly third countries, as well as develop and create a foundation for maintaining defense capability in the future.

To maintain and increase the main indicators, it is necessary to take various measures affecting certain aspects of the development of the armed forces. In particular, last year, based on the results of the first months of the Special Operation, a decision was made to increase the number of armed forces. Since then, the situation has changed in many ways, and the country's leadership is again increasing the number of military personnel in the army. In addition, other measures are being taken in parallel directly related to the recruitment of conscripts, contract soldiers and volunteers.

Some of the recent measures and decisions will be taken for execution in the very near future. Others will become relevant next year, incl. towards its end. Thus, in the foreseeable future it will be possible to observe the results of certain decrees, resolutions, etc. – in the form of a gradual increase in all main indicators of the armed forces.
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  1. -10
    5 December 2023 04: 19
    ***
    - “A people who do not want to feed their army,
    soon he will be forced to feed someone else's...
    (Napoleon Bonaparte)
    ***
    1. +25
      5 December 2023 04: 41
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      - “A people who do not want to feed their army,
      soon he will be forced to feed someone else's...

      This does not apply to the Russian people; the Russian people do not want all sorts of parasites, including those with wide stripes, to fatten at their expense. And the Russian people have a special attitude towards the army, this is clearly visible.
      1. +4
        5 December 2023 08: 18
        This attitude was especially noticeable in 1992-2000, when even officers were forbidden to move along the street in military uniform... They only changed clothes at work, and on the streets they attacked officers, beat them, spat in their backs... yes, their own, Russians! And the drunkard and subsequently his successor were also engaged in the destruction of the elite of the army, until the roasted rooster pecked... Then of course they realized it, but there was no one to fight (((
        1. -3
          5 December 2023 08: 24
          Quote: Andrey Andreev_2
          This attitude was especially noticeable in 1992-2000, when even officers were forbidden to move along the street in military uniform... They only changed clothes at work, and on the streets they attacked officers, beat them, spat in their backs... yes, their own, Russians!

          Oh, Russians, I have no doubt that the Russians, about the same people who speak Russian in Russian and who flock in droves for Russian passports, did just that, but the Russians did not.
          1. -5
            5 December 2023 12: 17
            need to increase the protection area of ​​PPE
            1. anti-fragmentation protection = 2 sq.m. = 10 kg
            from fragments to 10 gr. at 1000 m/sec - these are 120 mm mines
            2. bulletproof based on boron carbide ceramics (1 Lytkarino plant):
            class Br-6 = 1,5 sq.m. = 8 kg
            from 5,45x39 PP bullets, 7,62x54 B-32 bullets
            total: 18 kg
            1. -2
              5 December 2023 13: 13
              In addition to the slab, there is also a combat belt, also with armor up to class 2, an armored butt guard, an attack belt, neck protection, and an armored helmet. Ammo, water, food. You put all this on and we watch how you fight with it... 18 kg - by the way, this is an armored vehicle from 20 years ago
              1. -2
                5 December 2023 13: 19
                tiles are a thing of the past
                The Ratnik assault body armor has protection of only 0,7 sq.m.
                but we need an assault rifle suit with protection from 2 sq.m. similar to the FSB Voin-KM type (32 kg)
                only cheaper and ceramic-based boron carbide
                silicon carbide is also a thing of the past
                and without a titanium base, 3,5 mm is a lot of weight
                as an option on UHMWPE or aramid or carbon fiber base
                and most importantly mass production up to 250 thousand sets per year
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              2. +4
                5 December 2023 17: 11
                And so we all see very well from combat operations that even a tiny fragment flying into a foot, lower leg, thigh, arm, etc. puts a soldier out of action for a long time, if not forever. And there are thousands of these fragments when using modern ammunition, especially cluster ammunition. And there are also such cool factors as a blast wave or thermobaric volumetric explosion. And here no tile can save you - your head bursts in half. This is where a full-face helmet is needed. It is China that can afford millions of armies of poorly protected soldiers. They have a huge mobilization resource, and modern Russia has been dying out for 33 years now. The indigenous population is decreasing. There are fewer soldiers. We need to think about how to save them.
          2. +5
            5 December 2023 13: 55
            Don’t lie, I myself was a participant in this horror, and the Russians tortured the military no worse than the non-Russians, Russian is not a diagnosis, not holiness and not moral qualities. Russian people beat up my comrade in a train, 1991, and my pregnant wife, Russians with stakes in Tula in 1989 hunted military school cadets, Russians and non-Russians almost overturned a UAZ in the area of ​​the Ministry of Defense and broke the windows in the car in which I was senior in 1991.
          3. -7
            5 December 2023 16: 40
            Vladimir_2U. (Vladimir). yours - "...Russians, like those who don't know anything about Russian, and who flock in droves to get Russian passports, did just that, but the Russians didn't...."
            ...to Quote: Andrey Andreev_2
            This attitude was especially noticeable in 1992-2000, when even officers were forbidden to move along the street in military uniform... They only changed clothes at work, and on the streets they attacked officers, beat them, spat in their backs... yes, their own, Russians!

            Your naivety is far from childish belay involuntarily raises questions. Are you a “sent Cossack” or whose slave will you be!? crying It seems that according to the level of the button, these events should already be seen at a conscious age. And in fact, the expressed “wisdom” or nursery group. which, let alone 1 year, did not serve. but she didn’t live in the Russian Federation either. in any case, she did not reach the age of consciousness for the period indicated. and then she lived with a “cleared consciousness”... But for some reason she decided to “show off” her zero knowledge of the events under discussion... : belay :
            No need to tell. how WE lived. No. soldier
            You seem to be good at pushing buttons and have reached the parquet level of Colonel General of the Military Review (what a surprise!?) in hanging noodles with a complete lack of knowledge of the issue in question..
            There was a lot of things, and it was from our own that the most dirty thing... and even now from “sclerosis” of the not so distant past to “delirium” fool (that supposedly the introduction of 2 years of military service would not be BENEFIT. but supposedly harmful. A counter question - HOW MUCH DID YOU SERVE IN THE USSR!? AND WHO WAS THE BIGGEST HOPE FOR. AS A PRO!? For the past KMB!? - 1 month. For who just graduated from training - 4-5 months. Or to become a specialist after 1 year of service!? Who has received the knowledge of training and has already REALLY begun to “COMBINE” with the practice of working in various situations on equipment and military service in active units!? The technology has only become more complicated (32 years have passed since the USSR) and the conscript contingent no longer so often shines with the level of education, physical fitness and human qualities of at least the level of 1984 - 1989. It is clear that it is not their fault.o for the RF Ministry of Defense. this should not affect the level of BG of personnel. And for Russia to the level of SECURITY!
            R.S. Before you write nonsense. Think about who you are carrying THIS as - you fool. a foreign agent or a sent "Cossack".
            Better not the pleasant TRUTH. than rose-colored glasses. - in the first case you have the opportunity to survive. in the second it is definitely a “star”. am bully
            Have you heard about the Civil War in Russia or did it NOT happen either!? hi
            1. +8
              5 December 2023 16: 43
              I haven't read such a drug addict stream for a long time...
        2. +11
          5 December 2023 09: 01
          Quote: Andrey Andreev_2
          on the streets - they attacked officers, beat them, spat in their backs...yes, our own, Russians!

          There is no need to thicken the paint so much. I have never seen such a thing, that normal Russians would raise their hands against their officers!
          And if this happened somewhere, it was no more often than the Russians themselves were beaten by various gangster groups and diasporas that appeared in the Russian Federation like mushrooms after rain.

          But these are questions for the current government (and not for the Russians). She hasn't changed since then. Although her attitude towards many things, of course, has changed. In particular, to officers, when they realized that the power component is a support for power.
          1. +5
            5 December 2023 09: 46
            “But these are questions for the current government (and not for the Russians).”
            Well, then it turns out that we are still a colony and the authorities are assigned to us, and we do not elect them, since this happens. hi
            1. -2
              5 December 2023 09: 52
              This is true in all countries stop
              A person is not yet at the appropriate level of development to choose for himself good
              1. Alf
                +4
                5 December 2023 18: 23
                Quote: FighterD
                The person is not yet at the appropriate level

                Rather, some circles do not allow this level to be achieved.
                1. 0
                  5 December 2023 21: 31
                  You said it even more precisely! hi
            2. +5
              5 December 2023 09: 55
              Quote from AdAstra
              power is assigned to us

              hi She nominates herself.

              After the collapse of the USSR, democracy came and said that, they say, now the government will elect the people democratically. And even communists can come to power today if they are voted for! But a strange thing is happening. For decades now, the people have been voting exclusively for the government they once elected. And there is no hope for others, the same communists, to get there!
              1. +2
                5 December 2023 10: 22
                “The people vote” should have been put in quotation marks. It’s not clear, is it sarcasm or do you really think so?
            3. +3
              5 December 2023 13: 57
              hmm...again you got the wrong people))))
            4. +3
              5 December 2023 19: 00
              Well, in March we'll see how choose we will, and most importantly - from whom.
              One candidate seems to be known, but nothing has been heard about the others. Maybe some Yavlinsky, but that’s not even funny. But the elections are just around the corner.
              1. +2
                5 December 2023 21: 28
                Elections are already in March. Just a little bit left. But there is silence on TV :))) And the candidates are strange - either Sobchak, or Navalny, or some other degenerate. As we have been saying for the last 28 years (since 1996) - They don’t change horses at the crossing?
              2. +3
                7 December 2023 09: 12
                capital will choose the one who suits them best; the people cannot influence this in any way through elections.
              3. +2
                7 December 2023 09: 13
                capital will choose the one who suits them best; the people cannot influence this in any way through elections.
          2. -3
            5 December 2023 13: 56
            paints? and the workers of the Tula arms factory are an organized crime group? Then why the hell did they break both my friend’s arms when they caught him in the yards? 1989
            1. +2
              5 December 2023 16: 37
              Quote: 224VP_MO_RF
              Then why the hell did they break both my friend’s arms when they caught him in the yards? 1989

              They caught him shouting “Beat the Russian officer!”? Or did he insult common sense with the same stupid pens as yours? So if not everything is nonsense, then at least it is nonsense that he was beaten as a military man.
              And judging by the comments, you are strictly registered here.
              1. +1
                5 December 2023 17: 37
                It was precisely as a military man that in March a hunt was practically announced for people in uniform, and the man was simply seeing off the girl. For three months then they were only allowed to go to Uvaly in groups
                1. -2
                  5 December 2023 17: 50
                  Quote: 224VP_MO_RF
                  It was precisely as a military man that in March a hunt was practically announced for people in uniform, and the man was simply seeing off the girl.

                  Yes, you’re just a babble... With a capital L. A person who was “just seeing off a girl” could be beaten up, not only regardless of his uniform, regardless of the color of his skin.
                  1. +3
                    6 December 2023 12: 19
                    You should hold your tongue, I just cited one case, you weren’t (naturally) around when at the central telegraph we, cadets from different courses, were pressed against the wall and started beating just because we were in uniform, fortunately five of us arrived in time from the tenth company, one of his overcoats was cut off with a blade, so it turns out that you are a scoundrel
          3. 0
            5 December 2023 17: 01
            I confirm. There was no such thing. Served 94-96. Fights and skirmishes in conflicts could be anything in private cases and now they happen in exactly the same way. They are carrying game.
          4. 0
            5 December 2023 18: 59
            I have never seen such a thing, that normal Russians would raise their hands against their officers!
            - Ukrainians also said that since they didn’t see the Nazis, then they don’t exist. Citing personal experience for such broad generalizations does not work.
        3. -2
          5 December 2023 09: 51
          Lord, what kind of nonsense are you talking about?? laughing
        4. +2
          5 December 2023 09: 59
          This attitude was especially noticeable in 1992-2000, when even officers were forbidden to move along the street in military uniform... They only changed clothes at work, and on the streets they attacked officers, beat them, spat in their backs... yes, their own, Russians!
          Liberal propaganda worked so well, it needed to drive out those who truly cared for the country from the ranks of the Armed Forces. Judging by the results, they completed their task. And then the liberals began to be pressed by their Western partners and it turned out that the army was needed and officers caring for the country were needed.
        5. 0
          12 January 2024 10: 09
          Quote: Andrey Andreev_2
          Only at work they changed their clothes, and on the streets they attacked officers, beat them, spat in their backs... yes, their own, Russians! A

          And how many officers were beaten and spat on? 1? 2? 3?
          You still haven’t realized that you are singing songs in someone else’s voice. The enemy launched a "duck" and you happily picked it up. Maybe some officer who fired at the White House was hit in the face, but you are writing about the entire army and all of Russia.
          Sometimes it's better to chew than write.
        6. 0
          20 February 2024 19: 28
          Come on, I never remember that we were banned
    2. -1
      5 December 2023 08: 23
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      - “A people who do not want to feed their army,
      soon he will be forced to feed someone else's...
      (Napoleon Bonaparte)
      ***

      Talented people come up with phrases that will last forever, while others can only repeat them like parrots
    3. +24
      5 December 2023 09: 53
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      - “A people who do not want to feed their army,
      soon he will be forced to feed someone else's...
      (Napoleon Bonaparte)

      Just a reminder. The total cost of the top 10 yachts of Russian oligarchs is more than modern Russia has invested in its Navy for all 32 years of its existence. But in addition to yachts, there were also villas, palaces, and offshore accounts. Both then and now it all fed and feeds the enemy army. So, this is not a question for the people.
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        1. +6
          5 December 2023 10: 52
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: Zoer
          The total cost of the top 10 yachts of Russian oligarchs is more than modern Russia has invested in its Navy for all 32 years

          It turns out that the people of the relatives of the oligarchs feed more than the fleet? It seems like no one is asking who to feed! He just feeds.

          Now it would seem that there is enough to feed the oligarchs, all that is needed is the army. But no. The oligarchs get rich even during the SVO (war)! Some people sacrifice their lives, while others add billions to their wallets. We have such a strong unity.

          The people feed not only the oligarchs, but also artists and athletes. Now they are banned from participating in competitions, so the state comes up with all sorts of fun competitions to feed them. Where does the money for these competitions come from?
          1. 0
            5 December 2023 17: 13
            Have you organized at least one competition? ))) Try it - you will find out where the money comes from. Not from the state...
            1. +1
              5 December 2023 20: 30
              Yes, yes! I got a little interested in organizing spearfishing competitions. Russian Cup stage. Nothing from the authorities. Sponsors (equipment sellers) + participant contributions.
              1. -1
                6 December 2023 00: 35
                That’s right)) Three stages of the Russian Championship and the Trophy Raid Cup - exactly the same thing))
                1. 0
                  10 December 2023 21: 35
                  Litroball, the regional cup - we also bought all the equipment at our own expense. ...But what does all this have to do with the topic under discussion??
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            3. 0
              5 December 2023 21: 14
              The money there is from PSB - 100% belongs to the Russian Federation. The organizer is MORF, it’s all on the official website. And what difference does it make whether it’s organized or not, when you buy bread and see that it’s stale, you tell the seller about it, and he tells you that you’re not a baker, do you think this is a normal answer?)
              1. 0
                6 December 2023 00: 38
                What is the MORP? Any sporting competition from the National Championships to the Cup, be it motorsport, or fishing, or anything else: what the Federations allocate is from 0% to 20% of expenses. Everything else is sponsors, advertising, participant contributions. Tell me also how the state conducts competitions in our country.
                1. 0
                  6 December 2023 10: 09
                  Tank biathlon website: https://tank-biathlon.com/, there are sponsors and organizers below. Find a sponsor there who is 100% from business and not from the state.
                  Study.
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2023 10: 39
                    Give me another Eurovision website to study. Tank biathlon is not a sport. Tank biathletes are not athletes.
                    Everything about sports is here:
                    https://rulaws.ru/acts/Vserossiyskiy-reestr-vidov-sporta/
                    Give me the code for the sport "tank biathlon".
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2023 10: 41
                      Ok, since there is no code, then no budgetary funds were spent on it. Tank biathlon == Eurovision. By the way, a very good analogy. The logic is understood, but still incomprehensible. I'm stopping the flame.
                      1. 0
                        6 December 2023 11: 08
                        The discussion was about sports and athletes, not about the show. There are shows that are necessary and useful to organize in peacetime, if they are interesting and spectacular. For example, MAX. Yes, the same tank biathlon has its benefits when the army is not fighting. IMHO.
                2. 0
                  7 December 2023 08: 09
                  Quote: CheeRock
                  What is the MORP? Any sporting competition from the National Championships to the Cup, be it motorsport, or fishing, or anything else: what the Federations allocate is from 0% to 20% of expenses. Everything else is sponsors, advertising, participant contributions. Tell me also how the state conducts competitions in our country.

                  Even if these are some kind of sponsors, the money didn’t come from heaven. The same Gazprom and Russian Railways support football teams with money from profits, and their profits come from raising tariffs, that is, indirectly the people pay for it all
                3. -1
                  7 December 2023 08: 10
                  Quote: CheeRock
                  What is the MORP? Any sporting competition from the National Championships to the Cup, be it motorsport, or fishing, or anything else: what the Federations allocate is from 0% to 20% of expenses. Everything else is sponsors, advertising, participant contributions. Tell me also how the state conducts competitions in our country.

                  Even if these are some kind of sponsors, the money didn’t come from heaven. The same Gazprom and Russian Railways support football teams with money from profits, and their profits come from raising tariffs, that is, indirectly the people pay for it all
    4. +14
      5 December 2023 11: 30
      And the people, who feed their army so well that it has created a bunch of online analogues and holds all sorts of biathlons and exhibitions, goes to fight with its own equipment instead of this army!
      1. -8
        5 December 2023 16: 52
        Huggie(Antonio). New - yours - "...And the people, who feed their army so well that it has created a bunch of online analogues and holds all sorts of biathlons and exhibitions, goes to fight with its own equipment instead of this army!..."

        Your meanness, you confused “God’s gift” and scrambled eggs. The Internet will help you. for “detection” of the organizers of “biotlons” and other “victories” indicated by you. bully
        But what does the RUSSIAN ARMY have to do with it!? No. Or are you based on your level of education?(or is it the financial component of your “job” bully )unable to distinguish...!? hi
      2. -9
        5 December 2023 17: 20
        Quote from Huggie
        And the people, who feed their army so well that it has created a bunch of online analogues and holds all sorts of biathlons and exhibitions, goes to fight with its own equipment instead of this army!

        With your own tanks, planes,... ammunition, fuel, yeah. Don't talk nonsense and don't tell fairy tales. If anything, I ate and still eat oysters, we help the boys at the front. They have everything they need for a combat mission from the Defense Ministry. We are now giving them only a little comfort. They can cope without us.
        1. +7
          5 December 2023 20: 26
          I will answer both urapatriots who are doing well. They are probably lying about transport, medicines, generators, everything is provided by the Moscow Region. And armored armor and other equipment that were missing during mobilization were invented in tsipso) About the fact that I am not able to distinguish something, I discovered the official website of the tank biathlon - MORF, the general sponsor is PSB, 100% of which belongs to the Russian Federation. If you have nothing to object to besides getting personal, then it’s better to either remain silent or prepare a better answer.
          1. -2
            6 December 2023 00: 43
            Quote from Huggie
            I will answer both urapatriots who are doing well. They are probably lying about transport, medicines, generators, everything is provided by the Moscow Region. And armored armor and other equipment that were missing during mobilization were invented in tsipso) About the fact that I am not able to distinguish something, I discovered the official website of the tank biathlon - MORF, the general sponsor is PSB, 100% of which belongs to the Russian Federation. If you have nothing to object to besides getting personal, then it’s better to either remain silent or prepare a better answer.

            I repeat: this is the second year we’ve been helping the mobilized boys. Everything was given to them by the Moscow Region. What they foolishly bought for a lot of money last year was of no fucking use. What we are sending them now has nothing to do with combat equipment.
            Tank biathlon:
            - not held this year;
            - this is not a sport. Give me the number according to the Ministry of Sports code. It's a show, but not a sport. Don't talk nonsense.
            1. +2
              6 December 2023 09: 51
              I repeat: the fact that “hand over the car and the generator to the unit to get fuel” and the fact that there were not enough bulletproof vests (1,5 million sets, as Gurulev said), because of which Bulgakov was removed from his post (they could have been imprisoned for such, but no one is to blame, it’s just the time) - is this an idea?
              You are great for sending something, but isn’t this the task of the state?
              I wish we could hold a biathlon this year, well done, but before that, why was it needed? What does sport and codifiers have to do with it, when budget funds are spent on it? That’s exactly what this show is for our money, which was spent under the auspices of “look how good everything is in our army,” and when it was necessary to show that everything is really good, first “there will be no mobilization,” and then the mobilization was carried out very badly. Tens of billions of rubles for jumping tanks - is this normal?

              Well, seriously, you have to answer for yourself, has everything been done and is being done correctly? I really want to believe that conclusions have been drawn from everything, but, but, but...
              1. 0
                6 December 2023 10: 59
                that there were missing bulletproof vests (1,5 million sets, as Gurulev said),

                - not in the lottery, but in cards, not 100 rubles, but 10, and did not win, but lost. (C) Not 1.5 million bulletproof vests, but 1,5 million sets of uniforms, and they weren’t stolen, but simply lied. The Moscow Region gave my friends who were mobilized last fall everything from armored armor to machine guns. Another question is that they didn’t like everything and we bought them something better, as we all thought. And the third question is that almost all of this, including the night sight for 200 thousand, was of no use to them.
                PS. What we are sending them now are comfort items and something that they can quickly receive from us than upon request from the Moscow Region. Yes, we assembled them and made them a nice UAZ farmer with a winch. Now we are making capital for him. But they manage these 4 months of repairs quite well even without this UAZ.
    5. +2
      5 December 2023 18: 17
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      - “A people who do not want to feed their army,
      soon he will be forced to feed someone else's...
      (Napoleon Bonaparte)
      ***
      As for feeding your army, it is of course true; It’s just a pity that people also have to feed all sorts of parasites, including trolls. winked
  2. +9
    5 December 2023 05: 04
    Well, let’s say that now conscripts are actually an improved KMB. Maybe it’s for the better, for a peacetime army this will do, but it’s up to contract soldiers, that is, a professional army, to fight.
    We just need to solve the problem with the “five hundredths”, who immediately broke their contracts at the beginning of the Northern Military District.
    1. +8
      5 December 2023 08: 28
      Sorry, but after two years of service, a conscript should already be a professional, if everything is set up correctly, and he will be called up as a contract soldier or a mob worker, this depends on the circumstances. I would like to see where they will recruit contract soldiers for the war 1/4 of the Second World War.
      1. +9
        5 December 2023 11: 20
        In 2001, conscript regiments fought better than contract brigades. I can't explain it, but it's a fact
      2. +1
        5 December 2023 13: 46
        a conscript after two years of service should already be a professional, if everything is set up correctly,

        They teach us how to do steps, wash floors and make edgings on beds. I remember after the service I watched an action movie where British special forces were thrown into Iraq to use tactics that we were not taught, and I realized that 10 SAS soldiers would simply destroy our unit.
        1. -1
          5 December 2023 19: 52
          Quote: nickname7
          a conscript after two years of service should already be a professional, if everything is set up correctly,

          They teach us how to do steps, wash floors and make edgings on beds. I remember after the service I watched an action movie where British special forces were thrown into Iraq to use tactics that we were not taught, and I realized that 10 SAS soldiers would simply destroy our unit.

          Black Hawk Down sad
          1. 0
            12 January 2024 09: 44
            Well, someone has a 6th company
        2. 0
          12 January 2024 09: 49
          10 SAS men would simply destroy our unit.

          Bravo 2.0? You should read the book, everything is much simpler there laughing
          Understand one simple thing - films are very different from reality, just like books.
  3. +5
    5 December 2023 05: 52
    People will still be allowed to join the army from the age of 18, but the maximum conscription age will be raised to 30 years.

    And absolutely everyone who has no contraindications for health, with the exception of fathers of two or more children, must serve in the army.
    EVERYTHING!!! In the army, in combat positions, and not in headquarters as “scribes” and not in orchestras as musicians “to mow down”...
    It's time to understand that the army should be able to fight, and not paint the grass, build dachas and mow lawns. For such purposes, it is necessary to attract those who cannot serve, but are obliged to repay the debt... Moreover, it is an honorable duty!!!
    1. +21
      5 December 2023 07: 08
      First, make sure that people in the army learn something useful, and not paint the grass, then call them up. Based on reality, I cannot condemn people who are not enthusiastic about all this.
      1. +3
        5 December 2023 09: 06
        Quote: Stinging_Nettle
        Based on reality, I cannot condemn people who are not enthusiastic about all this.

        To defend the Motherland, enthusiasm is not required. Moreover, they give birth to children without much enthusiasm...Not with the same enthusiasm as the process itself...
        Based on reality, I see only one thing - in a bourgeois state, in the absence of human values ​​and morality, too much enthusiasm is shown to fulfill the whims of those in power. Some are freaking out, others are trying to survive in these cannibalistic conditions...
        * * *
        Until December 14th you can submit this issue to the guarantor...
        1. +7
          5 December 2023 10: 03
          Quote: ROSS 42
          To defend the Motherland, enthusiasm is not required.

          It's true. But to build dachas for striped people, under the guise of serving the motherland, there is definitely 0 enthusiasm.
          I completely agree with the rest. In the absence of minimal, basic principles of justice in society, it is difficult to expect anything creative from this very society.
          1. -5
            5 December 2023 11: 45
            For a long time now, no one has been building dachas for generals or painting the grass. By God you are stuck in the 90s and you are retelling old stories.
            And young people are not at all opposed to leaving parental care for a year, and leaving the countryside is the only way to escape the drudgery of the village.
            Another question is that all smart officers have been in their own for a long time, and with conscripts they deal with “rasps” with a nose made of orange peel
            1. +2
              5 December 2023 13: 20
              Quote: Oravetlat Tekelynin
              For a long time now, no one has been building dachas for generals or painting the grass. By God you are stuck in the 90s and you are retelling old stories.

              How long has it been? At the end of the 00xx they were still building and painting at full height. And it’s far from a fact that we won’t return to this in the future, after the SVO. Well, there is an example, an acquaintance was discharged from the emergency service in 2022. During the year, they fired 1 time from an AK-74m, before the oath. And one more time to hold the guard of honor. ALL. Those who already went to the next conscription, yes, they are already at the training grounds in full growth, and shooting and driving armored personnel carriers. But this was after the start of the SVO, and after the realization that everything was not going entirely according to plan.
      2. -2
        5 December 2023 09: 53
        Quote: Stinging_Nettle
        make sure that people in the army learn something useful, and not paint the grass, then call
        For example. Cross stitching? For many young people, cleaning the barracks, dressing up in the kitchen and washing their uniforms gives them the first skills of self-care. Aren't the skills of working with technology, working well in a team and developing self-discipline useful at all?
        PS Believe it or not, I didn’t paint grass in the army myself and I didn’t see anyone paint it.
        1. -2
          5 December 2023 12: 25
          For many young people, cleaning the barracks, dressing up in the kitchen, and washing their uniforms gives them their first self-care skills.

          If they don’t know how to do this by the age of 14, then it’s too late and pointless to teach them anything at all. It seems that in the army they do more harm than good. What’s in your head is unclear and they’re doing all sorts of crap. Therefore, those who are already ready for adult life by the age of 15-16, know what they want, how to achieve it and are prepared in terms of discipline and knowledge, are simply terrified that they will have to share the same barracks with such people))
          1. +3
            5 December 2023 12: 52
            For many young people, cleaning the barracks, dressing up in the kitchen, and washing their uniforms gives them their first self-care skills.
            If they don’t know how to do this by the age of 14, then it’s too late and pointless to teach them anything at all.
            I don't agree. It is clear that it would be good to teach this before the age of 7. But better late than never: at 18 years old, a young man is still fully trainable; especially when the principle “If you can’t, we’ll teach you, if you don’t want to, we’ll force you” applies. This infuriates Razdolbayev at first, and then, having matured, many thank fate for throwing them into the army, and not into the zone.
            1. -1
              5 December 2023 13: 03
              In the army, as well as in school, there is no individual approach (no matter how the leadership of educational organizations tries to convince us), therefore the process of teaching idiots basic truths is at least useless to others, but in fact it harms, restrains their development and leads to stagnation, and often degradation. And time is an extremely valuable resource in general and especially in a capitalist society.
              1. -1
                5 December 2023 13: 25
                Quote: awdrgy
                the process of teaching fools basic truths is at least useless to others, and in fact it harms, restrains their development and leads to stagnation, and often degradation.
                I write based on my own experience: before the army, I was expelled from the correspondence department of the university for poor academic performance; After the army, I graduated from full-time university with honors. Are you also talking about your experience? Have you noticed any stagnation or degradation in yourself? I guess not. Typically, this point of view is held by those who did not serve in the army and want to pass this off as their advantage over those who served, or who served and want to justify their subsequent failures with this. Maybe you don't laugh at the circus? We just grew up like that))
                1. +5
                  5 December 2023 13: 58
                  I graduated as a technician, then was kicked out of the university (compromise was not my thing back then), and served. I didn’t get in right away - at first I worked at a factory, because I had to have something to eat, and I became stupid in the army)) Well, obviously the university I entered wasn’t the coolest, to put it mildly, and it also cost money. The loss of time was colossal (it turned out to be about ten years). Yes, I still haven’t gotten back on my feet properly. In comparison with my friends (out of a dozen of whom none served), I, on average, sag greatly in terms of finances and prospects, and even in terms of the time of starting a family and having children, and hence their number. These are the costs of a capitalist society)) It’s another matter if you’re smart, that the edge and losing time won’t hurt you, but there are only a few of them. Who knows what those who didn’t serve there say, the guys and I try not to touch the topic of my service. When I came and told them, they were horrified and that was it)) But I’m not talking about sitting at home and not serving, but about process of service and preparation, if anything))
                  1. +3
                    5 December 2023 15: 05
                    Quote: awdrgy
                    and for money too.
                    This is a serious advantage of free education in the USSR. I could study full-time while working for 70 rubles/month. night watchman at school + 60 rub. increased scholarships. It was quite enough. All night at work, of course, I diligently pressed my mug against the pillow, but without incident. Before the army, I sorely lacked self-discipline; was an outright goofball. There are probably people who have been hindered by the army in some way, but there are none of my friends.
                  2. -1
                    7 December 2023 09: 05
                    Quote: awdrgy
                    I graduated as a technician, then was kicked out of the university (compromise was not my thing back then), and served. I didn’t get in right away - at first I worked at a factory, because I had to have something to eat, and I became stupid in the army)) Well, obviously the university I entered wasn’t the coolest, to put it mildly, and it also cost money. The loss of time was colossal (it turned out to be about ten years). Yes, I still haven’t gotten back on my feet properly. In comparison with my friends (out of a dozen of whom none served), I, on average, sag greatly in terms of finances and prospects, and even in terms of the time of starting a family and having children, and hence their number. These are the costs of a capitalist society)) It’s another matter if you’re smart, that the edge and losing time won’t hurt you, but there are only a few of them. Who knows what those who didn’t serve there say, the guys and I try not to touch the topic of my service. When I came and told them, they were horrified and that was it)) But I’m not talking about sitting at home and not serving, but about process of service and preparation, if anything))

                    All this is individual. My friend’s son is now 18. The guy is lazy, he doesn’t need anything except a computer. Before, she wanted to send him to the army for re-education, but now she doesn’t.
                2. 0
                  5 December 2023 14: 04
                  I didn’t finish reading your post, it’s all hanging on me. Well, really, wasting time and failure are completely different things, aren’t they?
    2. +3
      5 December 2023 07: 30
      Somehow the numbers in the article don’t add up. 300 thousand were mobilized. Medvedev said that 450 thousand signed a contract. Where are people? In cemeteries and hospitals? Unclear.
      1. -2
        7 December 2023 09: 08
        Quote: Bearded
        Somehow the numbers in the article don’t add up. 300 thousand were mobilized. Medvedev said that 450 thousand signed a contract. Where are people? In cemeteries and hospitals? Unclear.

        They mobilized and signed a contract. Well, there is no war without losses. Even if you believe in the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of 500 thousand, then 1 in 10 is 50 thousand, plus the wounded
    3. +5
      5 December 2023 10: 54
      Quote: ROSS 42
      People will still be allowed to join the army from the age of 18, but the maximum conscription age will be raised to 30 years.

      And absolutely everyone who has no contraindications for health, with the exception of fathers of two or more children, must serve in the army.
      EVERYTHING!!! In the army, in combat positions, and not in headquarters as “scribes” and not in orchestras as musicians “to mow down”...
      It's time to understand that the army should be able to fight, and not paint the grass, build dachas and mow lawns. For such purposes, it is necessary to attract those who cannot serve, but are obliged to repay the debt... Moreover, it is an honorable duty!!!

      Don't be afraid, soon they will serve with flat feet
      1. +2
        5 December 2023 11: 42
        With flat feet it’s still okay, otherwise it’s as if without legs, otherwise a defeat in civil rights - hello Heinlein.
        1. +9
          5 December 2023 16: 16
          “It was a difficult year: taxes, disasters, prostitution, banditry and shortages in the army. The latter could not be tolerated, and a knowledgeable person, our military commissar, got down to business. He gathered all the parasites, fools and cripples in the area, even assigned the deaf to the border detachment.” Alpine grouse." So many years have already passed, and they are still doing weird things somewhere!" WITH
        2. -2
          5 December 2023 20: 37
          If you don't like Heinlein, don't read it. Read the classics. In Ancient Rome, people simply weren’t accepted for civilian service without military service. And somehow we managed without flat feet frightened patriots.
          1. -2
            5 December 2023 21: 01
            Quote: acetophenon
            In Ancient Rome, people simply did not accept civilian service without military service.

            There were definitely no computers or drones in Ancient Rome. Both flat-footed and even legless people can handle them. Only the headless and those who smell of bird cherry can't Yes laughing
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          3. 0
            7 December 2023 09: 13
            Quote: acetophenon
            If you don't like Heinlein, don't read it. Read the classics. In Ancient Rome, people simply weren’t accepted for civilian service without military service. And somehow we managed without flat feet frightened patriots.

            Are you sure that flat-footed forced marches were carried out there? Well, they weren’t hired as officials and they weren’t, in general only the rich and well-born were in power there, it was unrealistic for the plebs to become consul
  4. -12
    5 December 2023 06: 40
    It is not clear that they write 2209, the total number of the army, of which 000 are actually military personnel. And who are the rest? Civil servants or service personnel? Do they wear uniforms or shoulder straps? Did they take the oath? Do they serve according to the Charter or according to the Civil Labor Code?
    1230000 is nothing for our country. Let us calculate from this the senior command staff, headquarters, motorists, railway troops, etc. and how many fighters will remain in the trenches? And the whole burden of war falls on the soldiers and sergeants. So the army commander has to run around the front line with a pistol. There is no one to fight. A minimum of three million junior army personnel is needed. We still have to fight with all of NATO. soldier
    1. -4
      5 December 2023 07: 14
      [Who are the rest? ]
      And the rest are relatives, wives, godfathers, mistresses, etc. military personnel with wide stripes and large stars on their shoulder straps!
      Do you remember Serdyukov and his protégé?
      1. +10
        5 December 2023 07: 32
        Well, don't exaggerate. The rest are civilian personnel, of whom there were a lot after Serdyukov due to the reduction of military positions. These are all kinds of telephone operators, almost all personnel and financiers, operational duty officers, all kinds of operational departments, etc. And their salary there is nothing at all; their pride will not allow them to place their wives and mistresses in such positions...
        1. -2
          5 December 2023 08: 53
          Quote: Saffron
          Well, don't exaggerate. The rest are civilian personnel, of whom there were a lot after Serdyukov due to the reduction of military positions. These are all kinds of telephone operators, almost all personnel and financiers, operational duty officers, all kinds of operational departments, etc. And their salary there is nothing at all; their pride will not allow them to place their wives and mistresses in such positions...

          How many telephone operators have a meager salary? And how many generals are there with general's shoulder straps and in skirts?
          And the salaries of these generals are not comparable to telephone operators!
          1. +1
            5 December 2023 17: 49
            Quote: your vsr 66-67
            And how many generals are there with general's shoulder straps and in skirts?
            And the salaries of these generals are not comparable to telephone operators!
            Elena Georgievna Knyazeva, Deputy Head of the Military University of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for educational and scientific work. Do you know anyone else from the “general’s wives” (as general’s wives used to be called)?
        2. -2
          5 December 2023 09: 48
          They have a salary there. Minimum wage."""""
    2. +7
      5 December 2023 11: 56
      Everyone knows how to write slogans. How does it come to this...
      If you want 3 million, go ahead, there are no obstacles for patriots, the contract age has been raised to 70.
      Otherwise you’ll be shouting on the internet while others sit in wet trenches?
  5. +11
    5 December 2023 06: 41
    And what, for the last 70 years, those who had illnesses that were not essential for serving were exempted from conscription? Wow, how stupid the bosses used to be...... But now they have sharply wised uplaughing
    1. +9
      5 December 2023 10: 26
      It’s just that now they will adopt a new order on the military health service, and it will turn out that those problems that were significant yesterday have overnight turned into unworthy of mention.
      1. +7
        5 December 2023 11: 59
        Well, you read “what’s up with the hohlovs” and think that it could come to this for us too
        1. 0
          12 January 2024 09: 51
          Remembering September 2022 and the precedents of catching even in Moscow, I readily believe that with a delay of six months, the Russian Federation will copy and paste Ukraine’s actions in the field of catching cannon fodder
    2. +1
      7 December 2023 09: 17
      Quote: ivan2022
      And what, for the last 70 years, those who had illnesses that were not essential for serving were exempted from conscription? Wow, how stupid the bosses used to be...... But now they have sharply wised uplaughing

      This work has been going on for more than one year; at many enterprises, pollution standards have been raised so that people do not retire early. For example, noise pollution has been increased from 79 to 82 dB
  6. +13
    5 December 2023 07: 07
    Yesterday I met a military registration and enlistment officer at the clinic... He was terrified! There is a law, but look for those willing!!! The increase in numbers, as I saw, goes as follows. The dismissal of those who have served under a contract has been stopped, generally a slippery topic, it seems that the contract has ended... Persuasion with the level of pressure and promises of imaginable and unimaginable bliss! Most likely they will take on us pensioners too, the specialists were kicked out at one time! Something like this, the law is loud as usual, but in real life there is no basis for implementing it! Let's see... it's easier for us, it's just a shame for the country!
    1. +1
      5 December 2023 07: 19
      an acquaintance wanted to sign a contract. Not to say that everyone there is being dragged into service. I went through a medical examination for a week, they looked at me strictly, and weeded out those who were unhealthy. then he changed his mind and no one pressed him. and he is not old in terms of age, and has already served under a contract.
    2. 0
      5 December 2023 09: 01
      [The dismissal of those who served under a contract has been stopped, generally a slippery topic, it seems that the contract has ended... Persuasion with the level of pressure and promises of imaginable and unimaginable bliss]
      I met someone like this in the 60s. After layoffs by the “corn grower”, there were not enough pilots in aviation. Called up for 2 years with the Civil Air Fleet. After 2 years, many wanted to return to civilian life. The political officer explained it to everyone clearly!
      - Do you want to fly? So fly! Otherwise, you won’t even be allowed onto the airfield! And no persuasion! laughing
      1. -1
        5 December 2023 09: 50
        Then not now. Now the “political officer” will be sent to the erotic place on foot and that’s it.
      2. 0
        5 December 2023 18: 24
        After layoffs by the “corn grower”, there were not enough pilots in aviation. Called up for 2 years with the Civil Air Fleet. After 2 years, many wanted to return to civilian life. The political officer explained it to everyone clearly!
        - Do you want to fly? So fly! Otherwise, you won’t even be allowed onto the airfield! And no persuasion!
        It’s strange, the guys calmly served as officers for 2 years and left and went back to the MGA...
        1. 0
          5 December 2023 20: 38
          Are you talking about the 60s of the last century? Or about a little later?
          1. 0
            6 December 2023 19: 07
            Quote: your vsr 66-67
            Are you talking about the 60s of the last century? Or about a little later?

            Later...
    3. -3
      5 December 2023 10: 06
      CNN Most likely they will take on us pensioners too, specialists were kicked out at one time

      But here I am only FOR!
      Rather than sit uselessly and wait for the end, alternating between poverty and misery, it is better (if you have enough health) to go and replace the youth who are not serving on the line of combat contact. We need drivers and logisticians and mechanics and signalmen, but it’s impossible to list them all!
      I judge from the navy - there are plenty of positions, especially coastal ones, for which even seventy-year-olds are suitable.
      1. 0
        5 December 2023 11: 15
        Not a bad idea..... But if 70-year-olds are okay, maybe civilians will be okay too?
        1. -2
          5 December 2023 11: 24
          But if 70-year-olds are okay, maybe civilians will be okay too?

          And who am I now? Straight to the suit!
          As soon as I chatted on a business trip, I went home, and if anything happened, it was none of my business. And if they call me, I’ll go like a darling!
      2. +2
        5 December 2023 13: 04
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        CNN Most likely they will take on us pensioners too, specialists were kicked out at one time

        But here I am only FOR!
        Rather than sit uselessly and wait for the end, alternating between poverty and misery, it is better (if you have enough health) to go and replace the youth who are not serving on the line of combat contact. We need drivers and logisticians and mechanics and signalmen, but it’s impossible to list them all!
        I judge from the navy - there are plenty of positions, especially coastal ones, for which even seventy-year-olds are suitable.

        I would like to see how you, 70 years old, would join the troops!? laughing
        For example, I’m 76, and what kind of warrior am I? laughing Half your pension goes to medicine!
        Of course, now you can say that if you join the army as a driver, your pension will remain intact... laughing
        1. -3
          5 December 2023 13: 36
          And what to look at - you got into the delivery team and twist and turn, but comply. And of course, no one will hire disabled people. And there is no point in having specialists from the defense industry either. And if you are still a strong old man, go and help in any way you can, and you can also earn extra money.
          The risk in the near rear is low, and you still won’t be able to live forever.
    4. -1
      6 December 2023 10: 51
      Quote: lithium17
      for power hurt
      They took a quote from a character who gave his life for his Motherland in order to give significance to the dirt that you are pouring here on Russia. You are not original, there are legions of them here. Learn to camouflage: ears stick out.
  7. -5
    5 December 2023 07: 27
    The country is turning into a military camp again! Opposite our house, a children's clinic was closed and a military registration and enlistment office was opened there, an adult clinic was closed, as if for repairs, but there is already an army Kamaz parked nearby. That is, we don’t need to treat children, but collecting meat for slaughter is the best thing?! I don’t need this, everyone I know is unhappy. The rich won’t go to war and will smear their degenerates, again everything is at the expense of the common people, but the people need this?
    1. 0
      5 December 2023 08: 22
      again, everything is at the expense of the common people, but do the people need this?

      The country needs this for survival, and pray that there are enough motivated volunteers and that the lot does not fall on you
      1. +13
        5 December 2023 10: 01
        Quote: Bledar
        The country needs this to survive

        For a country to survive, a well-equipped Strategic Missile Force is sufficient. With a reduction in the indigenous population, increasing the size of the army is a dead end. Who will push the economy? Will they bring in millions more migrants? So sooner or later they will reformat power and politics to suit themselves. It is not quantity that should be taken, but quality. Suvorov said this at a time when high-precision weapons and UAVs did not exist.
        NATO cannot be defeated by numbers.
        1. -1
          5 December 2023 10: 35
          There is logic in this, if “mistakes” in the external and internal (as with the outskirts) are not taken into account. And this is only defense, but how to protect the interests of Russian capital outside the Russian Federation? The Strategic Missile Forces in, for example, Syria are useless and could not interfere in any way with the laying of someone else’s pipe into the geyropa. You still can’t do without weapons; people fight with technology and drop out. This means that at least two specialists are needed per unit.
          1. +9
            5 December 2023 10: 47
            Quote: Essex62
            And this is only defense, but how to protect the interests of Russian capital outside the Russian Federation?

            We can learn from Israel. It is far from the most populous country, with not the largest army, and 22 Muslim states are wheezing in a rag, (despite) the situation in Gaza. Or China, which, without the direct participation of the army, has crushed a significant part of Africa under itself.
            What about Syria? What is Russia's profit from this Syria? A couple of military bases that have no global impact? Combat experience against slippers, which by definition was not in demand against the Ukrainian Armed Forces?
            Quote: Essex62
            You still can’t do without weapons; people fight with technology and drop out.

            By itself. But there must be some kind of optimum that correlates with the real state of affairs in the country.
            1. +1
              5 December 2023 11: 00
              And the towers have such a profit that they didn’t drag the pipe through it to the geyropa and they continue to send their energy resources there and make money. That would have been a bummer.
              But like China, we cannot. To do this, we need to become the Soviet Union again.
              1. +4
                5 December 2023 11: 23
                Quote: Essex62
                And the towers benefited so much that they didn’t drag the pipe through it to the geyropa

                This topic is quite controversial...
                The gas pipeline from Qatar to, for example, the gas distribution hub in Baumgarten, Austria, will stretch almost 4000 km. It will be shorter than the route from Yamal (5070 km), but will still lose in terms of economics and logistical flexibility to the supply of liquefied gas by sea vessels. LNG carriers are not tied to a specific market, they move to where current prices are higher, and easily compete with pipes if transportation takes more than two thousand nautical miles.

                https://www.forbes.ru/mneniya-column/mir/301965-komu-nuzhen-gazoprovod-iz-katara-cherez-siriyu
                Quote: Essex62
                But like China, we cannot.

                How can we? Where, I wonder, will Russia protect its capital with the help of the army? In Africa, for example, there are PMCs.
            2. 0
              6 December 2023 11: 03
              Quote: Hyperion
              We can learn from Israel. It is far from the most populous country, with not the largest army, and 22 Muslim states are wheezing in a rag, (despite) the situation in Gaza.
              What do you suggest we learn from Israel? Pull US aircraft carriers to its shores in time? Not fate: it is an innate, not an acquired ability. Russia can only rely on its own strength.
              1. +1
                6 December 2023 16: 40
                Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                What do you suggest we learn from Israel? Pull US aircraft carriers to its shores in time?

                Finding influential friends is a big plus in geopolitics.
        2. +1
          5 December 2023 11: 01
          Quote: Hyperion
          Quote: Bledar
          The country needs this to survive

          For a country to survive, a well-equipped Strategic Missile Force is sufficient. With a reduction in the indigenous population, increasing the size of the army is a dead end. Who will push the economy? Will they bring in millions more migrants? So sooner or later they will reformat power and politics to suit themselves. It is not quantity that should be taken, but quality. Suvorov said this at a time when high-precision weapons and UAVs did not exist.
          NATO cannot be defeated by numbers.

          Does the Strategic Missile Forces help you a lot in your? Now no one is afraid of nuclear weapons, because they see that they will not use it.
          1. +5
            5 December 2023 11: 26
            Quote from Kartograph
            Does the Strategic Missile Forces help you a lot?

            It was about survival countries, and not about conventional military operations.
            1. -3
              5 December 2023 19: 45
              Will Russia survive if it loses in the Northern Military District? Loss of Crimea and Donbass. A military coup and revolution will begin, and then collapse will not be far away. How will nuclear missiles help you here? Hit Tatarstan? In Chechnya?
              1. +2
                5 December 2023 20: 12
                Quote: Soul of Russia87
                Will Russia survive if it loses in the Northern Military District?

                What is a “loss” in SVO, and what is a “victory”? Every Russian has his own ideas on this matter. Russia is unlikely to lose Crimea and Donbass.
                Well, let’s say, for the purpose of a thought experiment, that Russia will roll back to the borders of 91. Why would Tatarstan or Chechnya suddenly begin to secede after this? One of the most affluent regions of the Russian Federation. Are there any prerequisites for this propaganda bogeyman? There's something I don't see. There has already been a “military coup”, exactly during the Northern Military District, but it ended quickly. And now I only see “revolutionaries” on the Internet.
                1. -1
                  12 January 2024 09: 58
                  It was funny about the Chechens and security, especially if you look at Rosstat data. They are provided for as long as Moscow pays them tribute.
            2. -3
              6 December 2023 11: 47
              Quote: Hyperion
              Quote from Kartograph
              Does the Strategic Missile Forces help you a lot?

              It was about survival countries, and not about conventional military operations.

              How will you survive if strategic aviation airfields are already being bombed from UAVs, the air defense is already unable to cope with missile attacks, the fleet is already locked in the harbor? And this is in a confrontation with not the most advanced country. In this regard, NATO may have the temptation to launch a massive strike with conventional weapons on the locations of nuclear weapons carriers
              1. +1
                6 December 2023 16: 50
                Quote from Kartograph
                In this regard, NATO may be tempted to launch a massive strike with conventional weapons on the bases of nuclear weapons carriers

                To avoid temptation, it is necessary to develop warning systems. Satellite constellation and radar.
          2. +1
            6 December 2023 11: 22
            Quote from Kartograph
            Now no one is afraid of yao, because they see that it will not be used.
            As they say, not only everyone can look into the future...
        3. +3
          5 December 2023 17: 40
          The truth is that so does quality. The Russians didn’t even have enough quality for Ukraine. And the quantity is not a fact that it will be enough.
          1. 0
            6 December 2023 11: 26
            Quote: puteovii
            The Russians didn’t even have enough quality for Ukraine.
            How many low-quality Russias do you have per high-quality Ukraine?
            1. 0
              6 December 2023 16: 49
              We are not talking about the quality of the country but about its armed forces.
    2. -7
      5 December 2023 09: 05
      Excuse me, what city in Ukraine are you from?
    3. +2
      5 December 2023 09: 22
      Well, the dissatisfied people denounced it, but why not in the trenches but behind the monitors?
  8. +10
    5 December 2023 07: 31
    reasonable relaxation of health requirements Make a fool pray to God, during the service a natural madman “happened” to us, he was called up (1989), although he was discharged two weeks later, but he was called up! A good friend, vision -5,5, served in naval aviation (1990-1992). With such vision for work, I bought a medical examination, because I was not fit, but please serve. With a constant decrease in population, an increase in the army is only possible through such “reasonable mitigation.”
    1. +2
      5 December 2023 09: 00
      We had a similar case. I took one myself and accompanied him to the Krasnoyarsk hospital for examination. Committed.
      1. -1
        5 December 2023 10: 46
        Quote: Essex62
        We had a similar case. I took one myself and accompanied him to the Krasnoyarsk hospital for examination. Committed

        State the year, otherwise not everyone understood Yes
        1. +1
          5 December 2023 13: 32
          In terms of? Not everyone understood who was commissioned? wassat
          1. +1
            5 December 2023 14: 00
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            In terms of? Not everyone understood who was commissioned?

            Not everyone understood the year when they were commissioned. The guy who wrote about this is my age, if anything. So it was in the shaggy 1980s somewhere, off the top of my head.
    2. +7
      5 December 2023 09: 53
      I also had a case where someone who was practically blind in one eye was called up. So I have a feeling we'll have a lot of "fun" after all this. It’s like in civilian life when some people have to constantly confirm that your leg/arm has not grown back to prolong your disability.
  9. -7
    5 December 2023 08: 21
    Why do we diligently avoid hiring women? why is such gender inequality asked? how much a pound is worth and your attitude to life will change.....
    1. +3
      5 December 2023 09: 05
      If a young lady is shocked by the “duck”, then such a thing will cause more trouble than it will be of any use...
    2. +4
      5 December 2023 09: 15
      Why do we diligently avoid hiring women?

      and maybe you’ll already widen your eyes and notice that there are a lot of women serving in air defense and radio intelligence
    3. +1
      5 December 2023 09: 19
      Gold words! If they want equality, then let them serve, although “real men” think that women have no place in the army.
      1. +2
        5 December 2023 13: 37
        Have you completely lost your bearings? If the communications platoon, orchestra and commandant platoon can be armed at any time and thrown into battle. What will you do when there are women there?
    4. +8
      5 December 2023 09: 55
      Because such “gender equality” will come, using the example of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and it’s good if you work for a year, go on “maternity” leave and you work for yourself and for “equality” or for two “equalities”.
  10. +10
    5 December 2023 08: 35
    The purpose of this verbiage (article) is one, to cover up the blatant anti-nationalism of the authorities - conscription of sick people into the army, increasing the length of service, increasing the term of conscription ... all these are links in one chain, because the workers' and peasants' children are not endless, and there is no place for Putin's "patriots" in army, they didn’t steal for 20 years for this, to go to Donbass and die, when it settles down everyone will return alive and with money
  11. -1
    5 December 2023 08: 57
    Those. again - “learn” in six months and go home after six months. The support, with the bourgeois principles of life hammered into your head, cannot be touched? Are the Soviet ones being disposed of? No program can help make a real fighter in 6 months, at the most suitable age for this activity. War is the business of the young, not fathers of families with a beer belly. Today there is no situation like the Second World War, “Get up, great country...” There is time and opportunity to prepare combat-ready troops.
    1. -3
      5 December 2023 09: 04
      Quote: Essex62
      War is the business of the young, not fathers of families with a beer belly

      But it’s not good for “fathers of the family” to have beer bellies. Russian means sober good
      1. +3
        5 December 2023 10: 10
        Quote: Repellent
        Russian means sober

        Rus' has joy to drink, we cannot live without it.
        1. -3
          5 December 2023 10: 24
          Quote: Hyperion
          Quote: Repellent
          Russian means sober

          Rus' has joy to drink, we cannot live without it.

          Well, go ahead. I won't cry if anything Yes laughing
          1. 0
            5 December 2023 10: 56
            Quote: Repellent
            Well, go ahead. I won't cry if anything
    2. +2
      5 December 2023 09: 30
      yeah, let them die, young people without children and end their family line, for the sake of drunk fatness. vile logic
      1. +1
        5 December 2023 10: 14
        Interesting position. How do you always hide behind your elders and go to nightclubs to eat cocktails and fool around with girls? I do not like? Ask the authorities why they allowed this civil war and did not stop the Banderization of the Russian land? I shoved the margin into my purse, never had that happened before? Defending the Motherland is a sacred duty, it seems, for everyone. What does fatty drunk have to do with it? Yes, even an athlete, with a six-pack on his belly, in a soraket. Why the hell should he drag the strap around the second round? Ligaments, muscles, reactions are not the same as at 20 years old. Such boys fought in the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and beyond.
        1. +7
          5 December 2023 11: 40
          An interesting “defense of the Motherland” comes from sending troops into another country without declaring war and doing business with outright enemies. This is such a special imperialist defense of the Motherland.
          1. 0
            6 December 2023 08: 22
            Which country are you talking about? If we talk about the outskirts, then this is our country and this is all our Motherland. The anti-partisan war in the DRA is the prevention of the creation of NATO, the creation of a military base there and the deployment of nuclear weapons, which is also the defense of the Motherland.
            The fact that the bourgeoisie continue to barter with the enemy, because the capitalist has money for his homeland, he doesn’t care about the interests of the people.
        2. +3
          5 December 2023 12: 49
          DEF Homeland - yes, a duty. But SVO is never WWII. It is much closer to WWI or Russian-Japanese.
          1. 0
            6 December 2023 08: 34
            SVO is, essentially, GW. But Russian people and Russian land must be saved from Bandera’s followers.
  12. 0
    5 December 2023 09: 03
    The point is to increase the size of the army when there are no officers! Who will teach? As an example. In September 2022, all those mobilized were gathered near Chebarkul, Chelyabinsk region. 6 thousand people For these 6 thousand there was only one officer! Then they took him too. I read 74.ru. oh, found it: https://93.ru/text/world/2022/11/25/71843450/ Conclusion: In order to increase the army, military schools must be created again. Or our generals want to switch to sergeants, like in the USA. There is no other way. Otherwise, how can generals remain in their positions until they are 70 years old?
    1. -1
      5 December 2023 10: 13
      Quote: steel maker
      As an example. In September 2022, all those mobilized were gathered near Chebarkul, Chelyabinsk region. 6 thousand people For these 6 thousand there was only one officer! Then they took him too. I read 74.ru. oh, found it: https://93.ru/text/world/2022/11/25/71843450/

      Yeah. We go, and what do we see:

      We For a company of 250 people, there was one officer, a lieutenant. Now he has left for the Northern Military District

      That is, not 6000, not 250. I’m not saying that this is very great, but it’s simply impossible to make a mistake in the numbers 24 (!!!) times by accident.

      I tell you again: you are not a steelmaker, but a goldsmith fool
  13. +8
    5 December 2023 09: 30
    Mobile workers are simply forced to switch to a contract. And for conscripts, such pressure begins after 3 months of service.
  14. +2
    5 December 2023 09: 44
    Well, just like the report at the meeting with “deepen - expand”, no specifics, except that on paper everything can be “increased”, but as you know, there are ravines. And khkhly our very distorted mirror, what happens with them and what we laugh at, then happens with us. And there are already so many “funny” jokes about the VVK, and there will be even more.
  15. -1
    5 December 2023 10: 22
    Ideas and plans in our country are, as always, good, but winked It is necessary to change a lot, both in the training of conscripts and in the training of command staff... For example, a lieutenant is released from a military school and he can rise to the rank of lieutenant colonel. He will learn from his senior comrades throughout his service. And if these comrades, and this is the case in the army all over the place, they can’t teach you anything? A conscript must go to training companies where he must be trained for 9 months as an infantryman, the remaining three months in a registration specialty, not necessarily motorized rifle. During conscript service, psychologists must work with him. We need divisions of constant combat readiness and cadre divisions. In short, a lot of things It’s necessary, but whether it will happen is a big question. By the way, before the SVO, I didn’t hear about a competition for 5-7 people to fill the place of a contract soldier.
  16. +11
    5 December 2023 10: 55
    A. Gurulev and V. Sobolev are members of the Duma Committee on DefenseAnd it’s better not to speak out loud to these gentlemen at all, as the curator of our group told the careless students, “keep quiet, maybe you’ll pass for smart.” Those are still sufferers for their homeland on budget money.
  17. -1
    5 December 2023 11: 27
    All armchair experts in assault divisions. Paul command of deputies.
    The required number will be reached
    1. +1
      5 December 2023 13: 44
      That’s why the experts are couch potatoes, because the majority are 60+. So, don’t be a hero here, especially.
      1. +2
        5 December 2023 19: 34
        You shouldn't be a hero in the comments either.
        1. -5
          5 December 2023 20: 00
          To whom is this complaint? You don’t like the deputies, so choose others. And there is no need to talk about imaginary falsifications here. You need to go to elections, then there will be fewer opportunities for manipulation.
          It doesn’t take much intelligence to spray saliva on commentators and deputies.
          1. Msi
            -1
            5 December 2023 23: 07
            You don’t like the deputies, so choose others. And there is no need to talk about imaginary falsifications here.

            A fact is chosen, and then dissatisfaction is expressed. You can throw in 10 or 20, but not 60 - 70 percent...
  18. +3
    5 December 2023 11: 31
    Quote from Bingo
    Well, let’s say that now conscripts are actually an improved KMB. Maybe it’s for the better, for a peacetime army this will do, but it’s up to contract soldiers, that is, a professional army, to fight.
    We just need to solve the problem with the “five hundredths”, who immediately broke their contracts at the beginning of the Northern Military District.


    this topic is forbidden for discussion... but topical for us - in essence
  19. -1
    5 December 2023 12: 04
    Increasing the term to 2 years is a stupid idea. The country is not fighting on its territory, in fact, border battles are highly effective; weapons, ammunition, reconnaissance, target designation, etc., and a certain number of military personnel are needed here. Preferably well prepared and motivated. Now, if war comes to our territory, then we can expand. Although, all this is debatable! What about the mobilized? 14 months already, and no prospects. Rotation is still needed.
    1. -7
      5 December 2023 13: 49
      The country is not fighting on its territory only because the current supreme leader turned out to be more prudent than the one who led the country in 1941. And the battles are almost as intense as during the Great Patriotic War. The front is only more depleted due to the abundance of high-precision modern weapons.
      1. +5
        5 December 2023 15: 47
        The current supreme leader had every opportunity to resolve the issue with Ukraine in 2014, when he had a legally elected president and a congress of deputies in Kharkov, ready to vote for joining the Russian Federation. However, these trump cards were simply given to the enemy and as a result we have full-scale military operations in which a secret number of our citizens died.
        1. -7
          5 December 2023 15: 55
          Quote: Boris Sergeev
          The current supreme leader had every opportunity to resolve the issue with Ukraine in 2014...

          ... - says someone from the Internet. But the Supreme Commander himself, apparently, did not think so, and therefore started in 2022. And it’s unclear who to believe here request laughing
          1. +2
            5 December 2023 16: 34
            And which of the goals he himself declared in 2022 has the Supreme Commander achieved, someone from the Internet?
            1. -4
              5 December 2023 16: 38
              Quote: Boris Sergeev
              And which of the goals he himself declared in 2022 has the Supreme Commander achieved?

              This is for the Supreme, not for me. I don’t have the habit of speaking for others, unlike some on the Internet. wink

              Better yet, continue to sleep. When everything happens, they will bring it to you. As far as you are concerned, of course Yes laughing
            2. -4
              5 December 2023 16: 44
              What goals could they have achieved in 2014 if the United States and NATO had provided Ukraine with the same large-scale support as they do now? Despite all this, I agree that Mariupol should have been taken back in 2014.
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                1. -6
                  5 December 2023 17: 02
                  Alas, these are only theoretical delights. In fact, with open Russian intervention, it would be possible to get an even greater surge of Ukrainian nationalism than we have now. And Yanukovych’s abilities and position as an elected president can be seen from his statements at the beginning of the SVO.
                  And if you remember the same 1941, you will notice that the acquisition of the Baltic states and Western Ukraine did not help much at the time. So the expansion in 2014 might not have played a decisive role.
                  1. +2
                    5 December 2023 17: 49
                    “A bigger surge than we have now” after 8 years of unhindered ideological indoctrination of ordinary people in Ukraine, with open armed intervention initiated by our leadership, which has already cost thousands and thousands of lives? Somehow your practical delights let us down.
                    1. -2
                      5 December 2023 18: 30
                      Yes, and Stalin won the war, unlike the “prudent” ones.
                      1. 0
                        5 December 2023 19: 27
                        Quote: Boris Sergeev
                        Yes, and Stalin won the war

                        Well, he’s not the only one, it’s worth clarifying.

                        Quote: Boris Sergeev
                        in contrast to the "prudent"

                        It's not evening yet, my friend. wink laughing
                      2. 0
                        5 December 2023 19: 50
                        It's about the price of victory, isn't it? After all, this is exactly what we are discussing now.
                      3. -1
                        6 December 2023 10: 24
                        What “price of victory” are we discussing, when today the Russian Federation has no victory, and the number of deaths is classified? At the same time, for the first month of fighting the figure was about 5 thousand dead. For comparison, 10 thousand died in 13 years of war in Afghanistan.
                    2. -2
                      5 December 2023 19: 49
                      Don’t worry about the fact that our leadership initiated armed intervention. There is no need for you to worry about this. In 2022 there were much more reasons for initiation than in 2014. And all your delights are also written on the water with a pitchfork.
                      1. Msi
                        +2
                        5 December 2023 23: 27
                        In 2022 there were much more reasons for initiation than in 2014
                        Again I don’t agree with you. The "invitation" was official from Yanukovych. Even though he is a rare bastard, there was a reason for us to decide our own interests...
                      2. -1
                        6 December 2023 10: 31
                        As well as your delights. Judging by Arakhamia’s confession, in March 2022 the Russian Federation was ready to withdraw troops to the line dated February 24.02.2022, XNUMX, i.e., leave Donbass to “a gang of Nazis and drug addicts settled in Kyiv.” What “grounds” are you talking about here?
                  2. Msi
                    +2
                    5 December 2023 23: 13
                    And if you remember the same 1941, you will notice that the acquisition of the Baltic states and Western Ukraine did not help much at the time
                    Hmm...I completely disagree. This is our strategic depth. We traded distance for time. And they formed new divisions and armies...
              2. +2
                5 December 2023 16: 53
                Who would they give it to if the legally elected president ordered the Ukrainian Armed Forces to support Russian troops? At a minimum, there would be a split in the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
                1. -1
                  5 December 2023 19: 51
                  It is rude to delete messages that have been answered in detail. It is also ugly to hope for a split in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In 2022, they also seemed to hope for this, which again is not a fact.
              3. Msi
                +1
                5 December 2023 23: 19
                And what goals could they have achieved in 2014 if the United States and NATO had provided Ukraine with the same large-scale support as they do now?
                The key word here is “if”...I remember the Russian Spring in Ukraine. The rise of the Russian spirit. Alas, we left them... to be torn to pieces... Kharkov, Odessa, Kherson, Zaporozhye...
                About Mariupol. Mr. Akhmetov strained all connections and asked to leave Mariupol. And they left it to him. We stopped near Novoazovsk...
        2. -1
          5 December 2023 19: 52
          The current Supreme Commander had every opportunity to resolve the issue with Ukraine in 2014

          You forget that an “accountant” came to see him in April.
          I don’t know how or what exactly they pinched him, but Mr. Putin has never looked so bad, either before or since.
          It was then that the limitations of his power were clearly demonstrated, despite all the stories about dictatorship and authoritarianism.
          So, of course, there was a military opportunity, but some other vulnerabilities were revealed. Apparently, they were sorted out to some extent in eight years.
      2. 0
        5 December 2023 20: 11
        The country is not at war on its territory

        That is, you do not recognize new territories as Russian, following Sberbank, the post office and other “patriotic” organizations?
        But strikes on completely canonical regions of the Russian Federation have nothing to do with the war?
        1. +1
          5 December 2023 20: 28
          Is this a question for me? Exactly at the address? Not the one who first wrote this? Or you didn’t bother to read what your opponent wrote above.
          1. -4
            5 December 2023 20: 42
            You did not put the text in quotation marks, therefore it is not a quotation.
            And it makes no sense to comment on the stream of consciousness of the original author.
            This is to another psychiatrist.
            1. +1
              5 December 2023 20: 48
              You need to be more careful, otherwise I can advise you to consult a psychiatrist. Here in the evening they write, I don’t understand what, and they openly speak out on the side of Ukraine without hiding.
              1. -1
                5 December 2023 20: 55
                are openly on the side of Ukraine

                Most of the people here at work are ciphers, our “guardians.”
                Sometimes you can’t tell one from the other.
                I don't believe in selfless fools.
                1. Msi
                  0
                  5 December 2023 23: 31
                  I don't believe in selfless fools

                  laughing Are you talking about yourself??? An interesting confession... Oh how... without even hiding...
                  1. -2
                    5 December 2023 23: 36
                    Are you talking about yourself???

                    Are you unselfish?
                    Strongly doubt.
                    1. Msi
                      0
                      5 December 2023 23: 48
                      Most of the people here at work are ciphers, our “guardians.”
                      Sometimes you can’t tell one from the other.
                      I don't believe in selfless fools.

                      Are you unselfish?
                      Strongly doubt.

                      Here, yes of course.
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          1. -1
            5 December 2023 20: 34
            Should I have waited like in 1941? What if they hit Donbass, don’t respond and accept it?
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              1. -1
                5 December 2023 20: 56
                I don’t give generously, you go to Berlin and Warsaw for handouts. I find Russia’s actions quite justified; leave the calculations of losses that you think are insufficient for your own.
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            2. Msi
              -1
              5 December 2023 23: 37
              We should have waited like in 1941

              When talking about days gone by, it is very easy to point out mistakes. Now the absolutely correct decision was made to start first.
              1. -1
                6 December 2023 02: 32
                We started in only one place. During the first week, at least 500 people were killed in idiotic marches. Who will be responsible for this? Who will be responsible for the destroyed GRU group in Kharkov? What stupid person ordered special forces to storm Kharkov in 4 Tigers? And there are plenty of such fantastic decisions at the beginning of the Northern Military District.
                1. Msi
                  +2
                  6 December 2023 05: 21
                  In the first week, at least 500 people were killed in idiotic marches
                  fact...
                  Who will answer for this?
                  nobody...
                  What kind of stupid person ordered special forces to storm Kharkov in 4 Tigers?
                  Hmm... Kharkov was not stormed. The special forces were looking for those who were supposed to meet them and, having coordinated their actions, move on. The military coup in Ukraine failed, it was identified and suppressed... The Armed Forces did not come over to our side... And apparently they could not come over. The scale of Nazification of the army and population of Ukraine has not been correctly assessed.
          2. -3
            5 December 2023 20: 45
            And how many such strikes were there before 2022?

            And it's not even 2022 yet?
            Exactly? But the men don’t know...
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              1. -2
                5 December 2023 21: 03
                In mid-February it was already clearly visible that the enemy was preparing, it was not in vain that families were taken out and documents were burned. And the complete lack of progress along the front in the future is also indicative.
                So there was no choice.
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      3. -1
        5 December 2023 20: 24
        Enough of these myths that someone threatened to attack the Russian enemies of the USSR.
        1. -1
          5 December 2023 20: 26
          Please be so kind as to read what you wrote. If you wanted to write that Ukraine did not threaten anyone, then congratulations.
          1. -1
            5 December 2023 20: 30
            And how did you immediately rush to “refute” my words? No one ever threatened to attack the Russian enemies of the USSR with Soviet nuclear weapons.
            1. +1
              5 December 2023 20: 32
              Once again I ask you to read what I have written. I don’t have the worst education, but I can’t understand your phrase. Perhaps you could express your thoughts more clearly?
              1. -1
                5 December 2023 20: 38
                Well then, maybe you can explain your words that Putin turned out to be “more prudent than the one who led in 1941”?
                1. -4
                  5 December 2023 20: 51
                  And what is unclear? Stalin, Beria and the then People's Commissar of Defense missed the first blow in 1941, and are responsible for the inaction and high losses of the first two years of the war.
                  Now the Supreme Commander-in-Chief has taken the lead and Ukraine and NATO are suffering high losses. Once again, what is incomprehensible in what I wrote?
                  1. -2
                    5 December 2023 21: 26
                    So, I understood your words absolutely correctly, and for some reason you rushed to “refute” me.
                    Now prove it - when exactly did the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR and the enemies of the USSR from NATO threaten to attack the Russian enemies of the USSR?
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                  3. Msi
                    -2
                    5 December 2023 23: 41
                    Stalin, Beria and the then People's Commissar of Defense missed the first blow in 1941, and are responsible for the inaction and high losses of the first two years of the war.
                    with all due respect. The history of the Great Patriotic War is clearly not your trump card... like my spelling...
              2. 0
                5 December 2023 20: 56
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                I don’t have the worst education, but I can’t understand your phrase

                You are now talking to a bot. It’s also an activity, of course, but not for everyone.
                1. +2
                  5 December 2023 20: 58
                  And I thought it was something drunk. and that’s how it turns out!
                  1. 0
                    5 December 2023 21: 03
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    And I thought it was something drunk. and that’s how it turns out!

                    Everything is a little more complicated. It seems to be biologically alive, but in essence it is a bot. Tatra, "Enemies of the Communists" (TM).

                    Read her feed from a year or two ago, you will laugh, I guarantee it.
                    1. +2
                      5 December 2023 21: 10
                      I try not to think in terms of communists and anti-communists. Until the “communists” themselves begin to lie or deny the obvious, especially since there are also plenty of “communists” on the other side.
                      Thanks for the hint. I'm already tired of the "drunk" opponent.
                      1. +2
                        5 December 2023 21: 16
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        I try not to think in terms of communists and anti-communists.

                        I'm talking about Tatra. Look at the picture. On her comments page alone, the phrase “enemies of the communists” appears 44 (forty-four) times.

                        If this isn't a clinic, I don't know what is.
                      2. 0
                        5 December 2023 21: 20
                        This is definitely a bot! But he has general's shoulder straps!
                      3. +3
                        5 December 2023 21: 24
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        This is definitely a bot! But he has general's shoulder straps!

                        Welcome to Military Review. I've been here since 2014, and I know... a lot of people like this belay laughing
        2. +3
          5 December 2023 20: 57
          Quote: tatra
          on the Russian enemies of the USSR

          Oh, the muffin has arrived. Hello, robot!!! drinks laughing
          1. +1
            5 December 2023 21: 18
            Upvoted all your comments. Because communication today is like walking through a madhouse. You are one of the few who seems adequate here.
            You can argue about the timing of conscription, as I already wrote, you can generally not transfer to the reserve in the current conditions, the situation is so difficult. But there is no need to descend into absurdity.
          2. +1
            5 December 2023 21: 18
            Upvoted all your comments. Because communication today is like walking through a madhouse. You are one of the few who seems adequate here.
            You can argue about the timing of conscription, as I already wrote, you can generally not transfer to the reserve in the current conditions, the situation is so difficult. But there is no need to descend into absurdity.
  20. +7
    5 December 2023 12: 11
    If conscripts do the same thing they are doing now, then you can immediately increase it to 10 years - there will be the same amount of benefit (spoiler: it won’t be at all). Nowadays, cadets at military colleges spend 4-5 years doing anything but what the unit commander needs in war: they don’t get out of squads and patrols (unarmed), and preparation for the next parade with daily marching begins almost immediately after the end of the previous one. And the period of study has absolutely nothing to do with it.
    1. +3
      5 December 2023 16: 55
      Military service should provide a basis, so to speak, bringing it to a common denominator, since conscripts are all different. This applies to both physical training and other aspects of service. Part of the service, this is a specialty. It is necessary to reconsider the terms and training programs. Four years to train a platoon leader is a luxury. The problem is that upon graduation, the lieutenant receives a diploma from a higher education institution, and it is given by the civilian minister, so you have to, albeit accelerated, skip the university program. Teachers at the University said that with the introduction of the tower, the quality of training of specialists has decreased. I am skeptical about the plans that have been announced; decrees alone will not help the matter.
      1. +1
        5 December 2023 17: 23
        There, it turns out, in these 4 (and more recently - 5) years, our wizard mentors manage to put in the entire program, and at the same time, every year for months they spend months training cadets on the parade ground for parades, sending a significant part of the students on garrison patrols (it was once claimed that, among other things, they formed a military police for these functions, but there is a military police, and cadets still go on patrols), and they put a couple of cadets at numerous posts at almost every door in every building of the university. According to the papers, the quality of training, of course, does not suffer, but in reality, after patrols and other assignments, the cadets come to the classroom to sleep off. Well, then... then - they get a platoon under their command, and don’t know what to do with it. The four-year parade-patrol training to command in battle does not help in any way. Just as a 5-6-10 year old won’t help.
        1. -1
          5 December 2023 18: 46
          In my time, cadets didn’t go on patrols, there was a commandant company in the city. And they didn’t stand at the checkpoint, there were soldiers from the department. Kitchen, guard duty and cleaning the territory, that was ours. At lectures, not all of them, they actually slept laughing , it’s a sin not to take a nap during a lecture on higher mathematics, it’s for a gunsmith, this mathematics is like a saddle for a cow.
  21. +1
    5 December 2023 12: 32
    The article outlines management decisions made recently when the roast rooster pecked. At the same time, the same leadership has been liquidating military schools and introducing “outsourcing” for decades. Is there a lot of it in the "SVO" zone? “President Yeltsin closed 25 military educational institutions, President Putin – 12, President Medvedev – 29.
    However, to understand the intensity of the closure, it is necessary to cite the number of closed military educational institutions during the duration of his presidency. Yeltsin closed on average 3,1 military educational institutions per year, Putin - 0.8, Medvedev - 7,3 military educational institutions per year."
    1. 0
      5 December 2023 13: 54
      .
      President Yeltsin closed 25 military educational institutions, President Putin - 12, President Medvedev - 29.

      At the same time, NATO expanded and the authorities closed schools, which provoked increased troop losses in the Northern Military District. But now the election campaign has started under the slogan of caring for the people.
    2. -4
      5 December 2023 19: 51
      This is a false imitation, not “management decisions.” For 30 years they systematically and purposefully destroyed the country’s defenses and did not do this in order to miraculously wake up in 2022.
  22. +3
    5 December 2023 18: 16
    How exactly the inspection principles will be revised, what requirements will be softened or tightened, is not specified.
    It’s very doubtful about “they’ll tighten it up”... winked
  23. -4
    5 December 2023 18: 53
    The Duma correctly proposes to serve for 2 years - proven by practice. And in a short period of time, what can you teach when you spend half the term on the phone? And the technology has become more complex.
    1. +2
      5 December 2023 19: 44
      And how has this been tested in practice? My father served for 3 years. And has this also been tested in practice?
      In today's conditions, the SVO could not be sent to the reserve at all, if deemed necessary.
      Why two years in such conditions?
    2. -3
      5 December 2023 19: 47
      Yes, it won’t be 2 years, they rolled out my lip.

      The head of the State Duma Defense Committee, Andrei Kartapolov, said that in Russia today there is no need to switch to a two-year format of military service. Gazeta.Ru writes about this, citing the head of the committee.

      “Today there is no need to return the two-year service period to the army. He [the young man] is capable of completely mastering a military specialty in a year. In the second year, conscripts will simply waste time, eat government food instead of benefiting the national economy,” Kartapolov said in a conversation with Gazeta.ru. The head of the committee noted that his colleague expressed his personal opinion.
      1. -4
        6 December 2023 00: 56
        Those. Kartapolov's conscription for military service is a course on mastering a higher education system. Previously, it was believed that young people were called up to defend their homeland. I don't know how to agree with this or not.
        1. -1
          6 December 2023 02: 20
          Previously, the state was the PEOPLE'S. And now it is bourgeois-capitalist. To protect such a state, there is a contract army and private armies of the Prigozhins.
    3. 0
      6 December 2023 02: 24
      The late USSR and 20 years of the democratic Russian Federation showed that soldiers spend 2 years doing anything but combat training and coordination. Anything: they took soldiers to the fields, to construction sites. Instead of combat training, household work, drills on the parade ground, cleaning of premises and territories. We know, we passed. After 2 years, a laborer returned home, not a trained soldier. This did not apply to units such as the Airborne Forces or border guards. They really taught well there.
  24. -2
    5 December 2023 19: 53
    It is expected that a reasonable relaxation of health requirements will increase the volume of personnel recruitment
    Reasonable easing of requirements has long been completed, without any decrees. Now it seems they want to row everyone. They take an example from Ukraine, where they even send summonses to one-legged people.
    Yes, and when will the conscription age be raised to 21? They promised for a long time. Or were the people deceived again?
    1. -1
      6 December 2023 02: 17
      For the idiots, they banished the lie that they would raise the minimum conscription age to 21 years. But that’s why she’s fake, to distract attention from the fact that the conscription age has been expanded to 30 years. Russia has been dying out for 3 decades in a row. There are no longer enough soldiers. Therefore, they are expanding the age range.
  25. -2
    5 December 2023 20: 17
    Quote: Victor Leningradets
    We need drivers and logisticians and mechanics and signalmen, but it’s impossible to list them all!

    Realities, as usual, do not agree with the statement “from TV”.
    With almost fifty kopecks in my salary, I tried to become a driver at both a special vehicle depot and the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It’s possible to get a contract until you’re 45 years old.
    1. +1
      5 December 2023 20: 22
      You will be accepted into the Armed Forces, don’t even doubt it. But in general I agree. The army most likely has not prepared any warm and safe places for pensioners and pre-retirees.
  26. -3
    5 December 2023 20: 40
    The army must be restored starting with the schools, did they gather so that their sergeants would command? A platoon is commanded by a lieutenant, and a company may have 4 platoons.
    The number of personnel in a platoon depends on its type. For example, in the Soviet army of the late 80s, platoons, depending on their purpose, had the following numbers[2]:

    motorized rifle platoon on infantry fighting vehicles/armored personnel carriers - 28 people;
    tank platoon (motorized rifle regiment) - 12;
    tank platoon (tank regiment) - 9;
    control platoon of a howitzer artillery battalion - 20;
    anti-tank platoon of a motorized rifle battalion - 28;
    support platoon (motorized rifle battalion/artillery division) - 20;
    communications platoon of motorized rifle battalion - 14;
    anti-aircraft missile platoon of a motorized rifle battalion - 13;
    grenade launcher platoon of a motorized rifle battalion - 22;
    mortar platoon - 24.

    So that we don’t have everything broken, we need to form air defense troops in larger numbers than we have. You need a lot of them for constant monitoring. As they wrote, some parts of Russia do not monitor air defense at all. S-300, when the exercises were carried out, the deployment of these installations completely destroyed the roads. Nowadays, it is more urgent to fight drones, and with each unit’s own forces. We need to form anti-drone platoons.
    Well, then the fight against low-flying targets has already shown that our air defense cannot reflect everything.
    Now it’s clear that there is a gap in our system—air defense—okay, the rest can be redeployed. But air defense protects civilian factories and military schools
    The air defense troops were transferred to the Air Force, and funding came from the residual phenomenon. You understand that our air defense has been underfunded for years.
    And then, as the SVO has shown, missiles must be made universal for attacks, including on enemy ground forces. The S-400 has a missile range of 150 km, perhaps it should be increased to 300 km, because 150 km are possible for attacks by Hymers
    1. 0
      6 December 2023 11: 28
      I repeat, air defense troops are a complex and air defense systems are only part of it. Without fighter aircraft, without RTV units, without anti-aircraft artillery, you cannot build effective air defense. In the northwestern military district, the enemy does not use aviation due to its small numbers. Now imagine what will happen if the Armed Forces of Ukraine (NATO has) at least 500-700 modern aircraft, a couple of dozen jammers and a decent number of anti-aircraft missile systems? In this situation, the SVO would not have started.
  27. -1
    6 December 2023 12: 08
    My deep couch opinion.
    These two generals have knowledge that is 100 years out of date.
    PMC Wagner trained quite good fighters in a month. If you train soldiers using their experience and prepare them for 3 months, then they will already be terminators)))).
    If I were Vladimir Vladimirovich, I would add another 30 thousand to the Decree for good measure. And these 30 thousand would be filled with valuable specialists from Asia who received a Russian passport. I just wouldn’t give them weapons. I would form ..... construction battalions and send them to build shelters for aircraft, renovate military camps, clear the territories of former settlements that returned to the Russian Federation, etc., etc.
  28. -2
    6 December 2023 13: 59
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    You will be accepted into the Armed Forces, don’t even doubt it.

    And I have no doubt. I passed the medical examination and wanted to get a contract. They didn’t take it right away, a green soldier interfered, in their words. Apparently at that time they were recruiting assault meat and there were plenty of people willing. Well, so far I’ve seen enough of the gist and the matter in the military registration and enlistment offices. I decided for myself to stay away from. No one is threatening my country, and I am not ready to die for the grandmothers of our leaders. bully
  29. -2
    6 December 2023 22: 05
    take into account the experience of Switzerland or Israel, issue machine guns to the homes of those who have used them, and of course control is not without this. Recently there was news that the Palestinians staged a Rubilovo so their citizens were put to rest before the arrival of the Mishtara, and I will say this to opponents of the distribution of weapons)) you guys are Nazis, if the Europeans can distribute rifles to the Jews, they can Why not the Russians? In a proud little part of the Russian Federation, minors with Glocks are cutting through, is this definitely a breakthrough or a breakthrough?
    1. -1
      7 December 2023 14: 17
      A machine gun under the pillow of a former conscript who served 10 years ago does not automatically make him combat ready at any time. Military personnel, like athletes, need regular exercise to simply maintain basic skills. After 3-4 years of civilian life, 90% of skills are lost. And no machine under the bed will restore them. This is about "distributing machine guns." There is definitely no need to distribute them to everyone. You never know the mentally ill, those offended by life and other strange personalities. In the army, they were under the supervision of sergeants and officers, and they had a machine gun in their gun room under lock and key 99% of the time. And then you allow them to take a gun home - let it lie there. Here they still can’t deal with drunk drivers for 30 years in a row and with outright crazy people behind the wheel, and you also propose to distribute machine guns...
      1. 0
        7 December 2023 15: 43
        that is, they drink a lot and are offended schizoids in life, do I understand you correctly?)) this is exactly what I wrote about above, so to speak, the litmus worked
        1. 0
          8 December 2023 10: 59
          Yesterday there was another shooting at a Bryansk school. Brave new world in Russia. We really wanted it to be like in the USA. Here we have - homeless people, crime, private armies, the murder of schoolchildren right in their schools with gunshots. Super class!
  30. 0
    2 July 2024 12: 39
    ... It is proposed to improve the system of medical examination of persons with diseases that do not have a significant impact on the ability to serve. How exactly the inspection principles will be revised, what requirements will be softened or tightened, is not specified....

    I also served in the USSR. Even at a time when it was extremely difficult to “slope down”, conclusions were sometimes bought from doctors (who could find an approach to them naturally). Then, after perestroika, the range of excuses became even wider. People borrowed money, no matter who they paid, so that the guy wouldn’t join the army.
    It wouldn’t be easier to legitimize these “payments.” For example, someone doesn’t want to join the army, but has the opportunity to pay, why not let him pay into the army budget, well, for example, 100 minimum wages (possibly in installments over the years). In general, I believe that all men of conscription age should be divided into those who serve and those who pay, with the exception of the disabled and those past conscription age.