“Raven”, “Thief” and “Grump” - why don’t we have them?

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“Raven”, “Thief” and “Grump” - why don’t we have them?

More recently, on the other side of the conflict, data on the Bryansk pogrom was “declassified.” This is when, in a very short period of time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces shot down two Russian planes and three helicopters. This creation will be dismantled to its bones in the very near future, but now we will touch the edge of it. And let’s talk about the need for such a phenomenon as an electronic warfare aircraft in the aviation system of the Aerospace Forces. But let’s go from the other side, or rather, not from where they don’t exist, but from the other side of the globe, where just such planes are a given.

What is an electronic warfare aircraft anyway? Nothing special, just a plane into which they stuffed and hung a bunch of electronic equipment, which can receive signals from enemy radars of various kinds and, if necessary, provide assorted interference to these radars.



In general, aircraft of this type appeared quite a long time ago, but we will take the last 50 years. This is precisely the time of the dawn of radio electronics and everything connected with it.

Our first hero of the story is “The Thief” or Grumman EA-6 “Prowler”



Designed on the basis of the A-6 "Intruder" attack aircraft for the needs of the American fleet and the Marine Corps, the aircraft was manufactured in the amount of 170 units. The Vor differed from the Burglar in its longer hull (almost 2 meters), which made it possible to increase the crew to 4 people - a pilot and three operators. They sat there, of course, like sprat in a jar.


The aircraft made its first flight in 1968, and in 1971 it was put into service, from where it was retired only in 2018. 47 years of service is more than decent.

The radio-electronic equipment included a very decent set:

- AN/ALP-42 radio signal receiver, which ensures the operation of two jamming systems - AN/ALQ-99 and AN/ALQ-126. The data from the receiver was processed by the on-board computer, which already gave a signal to the suppression systems;
- AN/ALQ-92 station for electronic suppression of enemy radio communications and, above all, for suppression of radio control systems of enemy air defense fighters;
- personal protection station AN/ALQ-126, which produces response-pulse interference and disrupts the automatic tracking of the target by the control radar weapons and electronic homing heads of the enemy to protect the EA-6B aircraft itself;
- group protection system AN/ALQ-99 Tactical Jamming System (TJS), which can operate in one of three modes: automatic (detection, identification, selection of electronic jamming objects and operating modes of jamming transmitters are carried out without operator participation), semi-automatic (targets for electronic jamming is selected by the operator) and manual (the operator himself assesses the electronic situation and determines the jamming mode).

This splendor was also connected to a defense system with ANALE-29A and -39 machine guns, which shot out dipole reflectors, infrared traps or disposable jammers. True, the shooting was carried out manually by crew members.

In the late 1980s, the Thieves were modernized under the ADVCAP program.


A new AN/ALE-39 jamming station, passive tracking and signal suppression systems were installed. The aircraft received new LCD screens, a more powerful radar, a digital autopilot and an AN/ALQ-19 communications system.

13/03/2019 The US Marine Corps decommissioned the last EA-6B “Prowler” aircraft. From that moment on, US Marines were left without personal aviation EW.


In the future, the Marine Corps is counting on electronic warfare modifications of the F-35B, but this is a rather difficult question.

The next number on the program was “Raven”



General Dynamics/Grumman EF-111A Raven, created for the needs of the army. Released in the amount of 42 units.

The F-111A tactical bomber was taken as the basis. The EF-111A is designed for invasion operations into enemy territory and for escorting attack aircraft such as the F-111A. The tasks were somewhat different from covering landing support aircraft, therefore a tactical bomber served as a base, not an attack aircraft. A different duration of stay in the air, a different flight range.

The basis of the EF-111A's avionics was the AN/ALQ-99E jamming system. It is 70% similar to the EA-6B "Prowler" system. But besides this, the EF-111 was also equipped with other electronic warfare equipment, fortunately, the aircraft compartments made it possible to do this.

More modern avionics and automation of many processes made it possible to reduce the crew compared to the EA-6 from four to two people.

The AN/ALQ-99E system includes ten jammers, which are perfectly located in the bomb bay, and five master oscillators. The receiver antennas were placed in a fairing on the fin, giving it a unique appearance.


For self-defense, the Raven received an AN/ALQ-137(V)4 jamming system, AN/ALR-23 and AN/ALR-62(V)4 electromagnetic radiation warning receivers, an AN/ALE IR trap and dipole reflector scattering system -28. The presence of a self-defense complex allows in some cases to do without turning on the main electronic warfare system. To power all this splendor, it was necessary to install two additional electric generators with a capacity of 90 kVA.

At the same time, the "Raven" was not equipped with the types of weapons we are familiar with - guns or missiles. It was believed that there would be a sufficiently high speed (although let's just say that it did not shine in this regard - 900 km/h) and suppression systems. Controversial, but true: for participation in many operations (Yugoslavia, Serbia, Iraq) not a single EF-111 was shot down.


The last time the EF-111A was used was in February 1998 during Operation Desert Thunder - massive raids by the US Air Force and Navy on military-industrial facilities in Iraq.

Boeing EA-18 "Growler"


And, finally, the latest achievement, the highlight of the program, the Boeing EA-18 “Growler” is a carrier-based electronic warfare aircraft of the US Navy, developed by Boeing on the basis of the F/A-18F “Super Hornet” fighter, which replaced the EA-6B Prowler.


The first flight took place on August 15, 2006. Serial production started in 2007. The first combat use was in March 2011, during the military operation “Odyssey Dawn” in Libya. It proved to be a very effective weapon in those conditions.

The EA-18G aircraft is designed to conduct electronic reconnaissance, jamming enemy radars and communications systems, and destroying detected radars with its HARM anti-radar missiles. The aircraft is capable of operating both autonomously and interacting with other aircraft and UAVs in a single information field, that is, it is a “network-centric” aircraft.

The receiving antennas of the AN/ALQ-218(V2) electronic warfare system are installed on the wingtips of the Grumpy, the same antennas are installed on both sides in the forward part of the fuselage, in the area of ​​the engine compartments and in the rear part of the fuselage, ensuring the reception of electromagnetic signals from any angle, providing almost all-round visibility in both hemispheres, upper and lower.

Instead of a gun, a complex for jamming radio communication systems AN/ALQ-227(V)1 CCS from Raytheon is installed. The complex is capable of detecting and determining the parameters of radio transmissions, and the suppression is carried out by the AN/ALQ-99 broadband low-frequency transmitter. A controversial decision, since the ALQ-99 also worked on the EA-6 “Thief” in container versions. Let's face it - mechanical antenna drives and a tube transmitter base can only be justified by a huge desire to save money.

True, today development is already underway on a new container-type jamming station - Next Generation Jammer. Everything there is serious and modern, solid-state element base and AFAR antennas, excluding mechanical drive altogether.

In the promising jamming station, it is planned to use only solid-state element base, and mechanical drives will be completely excluded.


An important and interesting feature of the Grumpy is the INCANS, INterference CANcellation System, which provides stable VHF communication between the EA-18G crew and ships and aircraft when the jamming equipment is turned on. The crews of previous electronic warfare aircraft did not have such an opportunity. In addition to INCANS, the Grumpy has on board the MATT, Multi-mission Advanced Tactical Terminal satellite communications system.

In standard weapons, the ALQ-99 jamming system is suspended in containers. Instead of end wing pylons for AIM-9 missiles, removable containers with antennas of the AN/ALQ-218 system are installed.

"Grump", unlike "Crow", is by no means unarmed. It is quite capable of fighting off the enemy with two AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles and attacking enemy radar with two AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles. In further upgrades, it is planned to expand the armament with JSOW, JASSM and IDECM air-to-surface missiles.


The Navy plans to equip ten combat squadrons (one in each air wing, five aircraft per squadron), three expeditionary squadrons and one training squadron with EA-18G aircraft. It was planned to purchase 88 aircraft, but in 2001 the order volume was increased to 114 EA-18G due to the decision to equip expeditionary squadrons operating from coastal airfields as part of various “peacekeeping” forces with these machines.

The Grumps received their baptism of fire at the end of 2010 in Iraq. In combat operations against the Iraqi Air Force and Air Defense, the EA-18G, according to reports from the US Department of Defense, was recognized as a very effective weapon. However, despite being rated “operationally effective,” the aircraft was also rated “not operationally suitable.” That is, the EA-18G is capable of effectively performing its assigned tasks, but is not suitable for use in the field.

“Grump” was also used in Libya. There have been no specific descriptions of the EA-18G's performance, but in various statements senior US Navy officials have made references to the EA-18G's performance. The “Grunts”’ support for the actions of American aviation was especially noted, which was apparently expressed in the suppression of the work of the Libyan air defense systems “Osa” and “Crotal”.

In general, the presence of continuity is observed. And it is clear that for the next 15-20 years, American aircraft will be covered when carrying out combat missions by electronic warfare aircraft, with all the ensuing consequences.


What is the general usefulness of such aircraft, I think, it’s not even worth disassembling. Everything lies on the surface.

Just imagine the picture: a squadron of the same F/A-18 “Super Hornets” is coming to introduce democracy in yet another part of the world. And with them, at some distance, the Grumpy EA-18G is flying and its jamming stations are working so hard that they’re red-hot. Result? Obvious. Enemy radars will receive interference, missiles will be thrown off course. Not 100%, but still. They will.

You say: who is stopping ordinary aircraft from hanging containers with electronic warfare? How are our Khibiny?

Let’s put it this way: “Khibiny” is an auxiliary weapon that reduces (and significantly) the weight of fuel and weapons taken on board. That is, it is at least not a plus. Well, it’s better to read about the effectiveness of “Khibiny” by Russian pilots somewhere in the Telegram. At least that time, near Bryansk, somehow the Khibiny were not up to par in the literal sense of the word.

Total: the US Navy, and as it became clear from the latest plans, the US Army on distant shores, has a new electronic warfare aircraft, which they made on a run-in airframe of a very decent aircraft. The main strike weapon of American aircraft carriers. And this aircraft will accompany fighter-bombers and attack aircraft on their raids, jamming enemy radars and hitting them with anti-radar missiles.

And here the question arises: why don’t we have such an aircraft?


In general, there were attempts... however, it’s somehow impossible to call them successful. In the Soviet Union, work was underway to create an electronic warfare aircraft. With varying success, but they were carried out.


The Tu-22P was developed and 47 units were built. Adopted into service in 1965. Three modifications depending on the jamming station complexes used (“Bouquet-4”, “Klyukva”, “Fasol”).

Almost simultaneously with the Tu-22P, the Tu-16P operated, which was produced in an even larger series - about 90 copies.


Tu-16P and Tu-22P carried the most powerful jamming system in the world, “Bouquet-4,” which required a burst of energy and weighed so much that it required such aircraft. But at that time there was no escape from the “Bouquet” for any radar in the world.

In the same 60s, an aircraft such as the An-12PP was developed. Some of the cars (27 pieces) carried the same “Bouquet”, some (19 pieces) were equipped with the “Lilac” set, which is not as demanding in terms of operating conditions as the lamp “Bouquet”.

And in 1968, the very last of the Yak-28 family, the Yak-28PP electronic warfare aircraft, flew.


It was a very interesting car, produced in 84 copies and served until 1993 in Russia and until 1994 in Ukraine. A little short of reaching the thirty-year mark in service, the Yak-28PP left a very good memory of itself, although it did not work “in combat”: in Afghanistan the Mujahideen did not have radars, there was nothing to put pressure on. But the plane was not delivered for export.

The most interesting thing is that the Yak-28PP carried all the kits that were at the disposal of the airborne electronic warfare forces: “Fasol-1”, “Lilac”, “Bouquet”, “Strela”.


Moreover, the Yak-28 was much more effective in operation than the Su-1983MP, which appeared in 24.


Su-24MP, the latest attempt by Soviet designers to create an electronic warfare aircraft. About 20 copies were produced, half of which were “forgotten” in Ukraine during the division of the Soviet heritage.

An interesting aircraft, with an interesting and still classified “Lily of the Valley” kit, in which the creators took all the best from the “Beans” and “Mimosa” kits. Alas, “Lily of the Valley” was not brought up to condition, and with the collapse of the USSR there was no time for it at all. And it was also not possible to rearrange the equipment from the Yak-28PP, which had exhausted its service life, due to the peculiarities of its placement.

And in general, that’s all... As they say - what are you rich in...

Oh yes, I forgot. There is the great and terrible Il-22PP “Porubshchik”, an aircraft capable of selectively suppressing everything, from geese to satellites.


It was created on the basis of the Il-20, which, in turn, was based on the Il-18, an aircraft first flown in 1968. And the most recent of these aircraft, on the basis of which new projects were created, was manufactured in 1976.

This is how we live - the latest and (probably) expensive equipment is stuffed into a glider that is almost 50 years old.

I understand our ancestors who built the first electronic warfare aircraft based on strategic and long-range bombers. The equipment on the lamps required space in full, but what, in those same years, the Americans, who were ahead of us in microelectronics, were also quite mastering bombers in this regard. Not as big, but still.

Today the world is not the same as it was 50 years ago; a lot is changing. The need for electronic warfare fully manifested itself during the SVO, and actually countering the enemy’s electronic systems became an extremely important task. It’s one thing to “knock out” a drone that’s dragging a mine on a sling, and another thing to neutralize enemy air defense systems.

Air defense really wins; aviation cannot play such an important role as in other wars. Rockets, alas, have become smarter, more accurate and faster. Need an answer. As an option, there really is an electronic warfare aircraft that will cover attacking bombers and confuse enemy missiles. Rely on the magic of the Khibiny... no, this system itself is frankly rather weak and weakens the combat capabilities of the aircraft.

Why can’t we follow the path of the Americans and adapt something from the existing arsenal to such tasks as an electronic warfare aircraft? Not as ancient as the Il-22, faster so that you can actually escort planes?

In the Bryansk region, yes, in that tragedy, why did the planes stay in the square for so unforgivably long? And they waited for the electronic warfare helicopters until they rumbled. We waited...

No, the Mi-8/Mi-17, stuffed to the roof with equipment, is good in its time and place. But not in the matter of escorting modern aircraft.

But today we have quite normal aircraft, at the expense and with the help of which all problems can be solved! These are two-seaters, so that the pilot controls the plane, and the operator takes care of the situation.

MiG-31? No, it won't do. Too big and too fast. And this is not a task for him. In general, these aircraft must be protected like the apple of your eye.

Su-34? Theoretically, yes, but this plane is already needed like I don’t know what. Every “duckling” is very needed, and it would be wrong to divert production areas.

And what? That's all? No, here it is, the solution to the problem - the Su-30!



A large, heavy two-seat fighter capable of solving all problems. Two engines can easily provide power generators for electronic warfare equipment. Two seats for the crew, just the operator in the back, so as not to distract the pilot, this is not a Su-34, the tasks are completely different. 8 tons on slings - that’s enough to accommodate containers with equipment, and there will be room for missiles. Out with the gun, in with the antenna unit.

And not necessarily the Su-30SM. Any of the previously created models for India or China will do. But such an aircraft can easily go together with the Su-35 to extinguish air defense radars or with the Su-34 to blow everything else into smoke. And he himself will be able to send missiles at someone if necessary.

And it will, by all means, be a completely modern, high-speed and high-altitude aircraft, not like the fifty-year-old Il-18, of which only three have mastered it. Su-30s with containerized electronic warfare weapons can be built tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow they can begin their very useful work.

The Americans have “Grumpy” for the next 20 years. The EA-18 is almost no different from the F/A-18. Who is stopping us from repeating the example of the Americans? Especially considering that our plane is at least no worse than the American one? And our KRET is definitely no worse than their Ratheon.

When I watched with what gusto our jingoistic patriots threatened to chop the entire NATO world into cabbage with the “Chopper,” frankly, it was funny. Yes, three aircraft that are fifty years old with the latest equipment are powerful! Flying at a speed of 600 km/h.

Somehow, our Su-18PP, created in the image and likeness of the EA-30G “Growler,” will be at least no worse, and considering what our wizards from KRET can create, they may turn out to be better than American aircraft.

There is something to think about and work on.
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  1. +46
    4 December 2023 04: 27
    This is a good article! But electronic warfare aviation is a case where even the Soviet foundation did not help, thanks to the brilliant gentlemen with wide stripes...
    1. +24
      4 December 2023 04: 34
      Roman asks: why isn’t there this and that? Yes, because no one needs a bolt.
      1. +14
        4 December 2023 04: 58
        There is only one person left who would hear this crying voice and give the command to produce electronic warfare aircraft. AU people with gold shoulder straps and big stars, where are you??.
        1. +26
          4 December 2023 08: 03
          Well done Roman! Such articles are very necessary for those who can still think with their own heads at least a little.
          And this situation everywhere in every sphere is an imitation of vigorous activity and window dressing instead of real action, and there is only one reason, the country’s leadership and the oligarchic system. Shoigu, Gerasimov and the one who appointed them think that the main thing is tanks and a little fighters, but they don’t want to know about the need for some kind of AWACS aircraft, electronic warfare aircraft, electronic warfare or tankers, and so it will do. It is better to build five more Il-96-400M aircraft for the President than ten tankers from the same Il-96-400M and you are also talking about some electronic warfare aircraft.
          They were informed that there are Khibiny and they work so hard that they disabled the destroyer Donald Cook, they really believe in it, and about Belgorod, of course, they were told that the pilots were to blame. But they don’t think of checking through other channels, because everything is fine anyway.
        2. +7
          4 December 2023 11: 56
          Quote: Borik
          There is only one person left who would hear this crying voice and give the command to produce electronic warfare aircraft. AU people with gold shoulder straps and big stars, where are you??.

          Do you sincerely think that this is how it is solved?
        3. +1
          4 December 2023 23: 27
          Quote: Borik
          There is only one person left who would hear this crying voice and give the command to produce electronic warfare aircraft. AU people with gold shoulder straps and big stars, where are you??.

          Why do “people” with gold stars in Moscow need planes with electronic warfare systems?
          You can say anything at parades; non-specialists will even believe Konashenkov about flying planes!
    2. +8
      4 December 2023 05: 49
      IMHO, there was no problem, since there were no problems with SEAD and EB in practice.
      And those who had problems (Vietnam, the Arab-Israeli wars, Iraq1/2, Yugoslavia) worked out theoretical and practical solutions to such problems (Bongo wrote, for example, several articles on the topic of working out SEAD/EB in the USA).

      "Su30PP" - a task for how many years? A decision is needed now, or rather, yesterday.
      So hope for a “scratch-scratch”. IMHO, the Swedes, for example, have the SAAB Arexis very close by, which the Germans buy for their Typhoons in the Electronic Combat Reconnaissance (ECR)/Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) version. As Comrade Stalin said to aircraft designers, “You don’t need something better, make it the same.”
      1. +6
        4 December 2023 05: 56
        Quote: Wildcat
        So hope for "scratch-scratch"

        What's the point? A different element base will not allow you to repeat it stupidly. Even without taking into account the fact that you still have to steal...
      2. 0
        4 December 2023 12: 30
        tongue Yes, the Tsap-Scratch is of course a topic. But that’s when they were allowed to go abroad. And now they are completely covered up. And the friends of the Tsap-Scratch don’t take them out Yes
      3. +3
        4 December 2023 20: 26
        How do you imagine a DAC-scratch? Supplies from SAABa for the Russian Aerospace Forces? Or one disassembled copy on a foreign element base using foreign technologies and industrial processes? The scratch-tap will only work as a quotation, homage within the framework of its development, nothing more.
      4. 0
        7 December 2023 07: 53
        Their scratch is not designed for that. And super agent Lech sells lottery tickets.
    3. +7
      4 December 2023 11: 54
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      This is a good article! ...

      Well, unless of course you take into account a number of significant inaccuracies and errors. But the author tried, he’s great! good
      1. +1
        4 December 2023 15: 15
        Quote: Bongo
        Well, unless of course you take into account a number of significant inaccuracies and errors. But the author tried, he’s great!

        But in the main he is right! winked
    4. +2
      4 December 2023 12: 13
      Thank you, Roman. I hope there is someone.
      Are domestic electronic warfare really that good? The very large range of equipment is alarming. That is, for every “sneeze.” Even an article recently published on VO talks about the resistance of Ukrainian drones to the effects of electronic warfare.
      Positive, sometimes enthusiastic, reviews from Western experts are also alarming.
      For "Beware when the enemy praises you."
      And lastly, the true reason for the death of the Black Sea Fleet flagship is not completely clear in terms of the enemy’s use of these systems and the lack of counteraction to it by the Russian Armed Forces.
    5. +3
      4 December 2023 21: 51
      Vladimir_2U(Vladimir)

      This is a good article! But electronic warfare aviation is a case where even the Soviet foundation did not help, thanks to the brilliant gentlemen with wide stripes...

      The article is good, but the situation described in it is very sad. I remember how quite recently many of those present were fiercely adding stories about how “an old Su-24 electronic warfare extinguished an American destroyer, and the entire crew of the destroyer turned in their resignation in horror.” And today the same people are fiercely upvoting an article in which everything is bad with us. It would be better if, instead of stupid delight, we at least sometimes used our brains. And this applies not only to the “brilliant gentlemen with wide stripes”, but also to everyone present...
  2. +14
    4 December 2023 04: 35
    It is impossible not to agree with the author, although the historical excursion would be worth starting with the F-4c in the Wild Weasel version, from the very first Wild Weasel, but that’s not the point... Is there a purposeful concept of suppression everything that radiates? Here is the answer to the question -
    As they say - what are you rich in...
  3. +9
    4 December 2023 04: 59
    More recently, on the other side of the conflict, data on the Bryansk pogrom was “declassified.”

    And we can highlight this point in more detail. hi
    1. +10
      4 December 2023 07: 11
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      And we can highlight this point in more detail.

      Yes. I, and I think many, are very concerned about what happened when suddenly several aircraft were shot down at once. And what does it have to do with our side.
      There is an assumption that there was a Bandera trap there, set with the Patriot driven to our border.
  4. +9
    4 December 2023 05: 02
    Quote: Alien From
    Roman asks: why isn’t there this and that? Yes, because no one needs a bolt.

    So who knew that the war would go according to a different scenario and the enemy would hit our weak points. request
    That there will be Highmars, drones, communications and observation satellites with low orbit, Atams and then... the enemy is a good examiner for our generals... he does not forgive them mistakes.
    1. +25
      4 December 2023 06: 14
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      So who knew that there would be a war? in another scenario, the enemy will hit our weak points.

      Oh!!! Yes, yes, yes... This has already sounded somewhere...
      - Why was the erroneous deployment of troops that you made in 1940 not corrected until the war itself? After all, the same thing happened!!!
      -No one could have imagined that von Bock would think like Zhukov...

      What a shame. There were no people's commissars Ustinovs or Zhukovs with war experience in the government... There was only one “universal soldier” - a rescuer for all times... And even he was more concerned with the construction of the temple of the entire Armed Forces and such wonderful biathlons and parades. when there was already a smell of smoke from the torchlight processions of Nazis through the streets of Kyiv and from those burned in Odessa in the House of Trade Unions...
      1. +3
        5 December 2023 12: 51
        It is precisely this situation with parade biathlon festivals and other religious cults that corresponds to the expression: Show-off is worth more than money! But there is one thing, show-offs don’t fight, people fight, soldiers, and it’s bad when a veteran is flying in the sky, and the ceremonial beauty of Armata is not visible on the tank battlefield.
    2. +8
      4 December 2023 08: 02
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      So who knew that the war would go according to a different scenario and the enemy would hit our weak points.
      That there will be Highmars, drones, communications and observation satellites with low orbit, Atams and then... the enemy is a good examiner for our generals... he does not forgive them mistakes.

      Well, they are the generals and other high-ranking officials to think about the prospects.
      Otherwise, it turns out like with utility companies - every year the heating season begins unexpectedly, and snow suddenly falls in December.
    3. +30
      4 December 2023 08: 12
      The war scenario is written not by generals, but by politicians. The generals are doing it. The scenario, apparently, was this: military columns arrive, the Ukrainian Armed Forces flee or happily surrender, Medvedchuk and other “friendly” oligarchs reign in Kiev, and rivers of gas, oil and ammonia flow again between the Russian Federation and the “renewed” Ukraine. There seemed to be no other scenarios.
      1. +4
        4 December 2023 17: 43
        The paradox is that such a pro-Russian Ukraine would be subject to sanctions like the DPRK. And the question is, did someone really pay our geostrategists for such plans, which fit into a tweet?
    4. Qas
      +9
      4 December 2023 10: 22
      Who knew? Lech, it seems like the generals of the academy graduate and are appointed to positions, so they should know and foresee! And this “who knew” approach is for the poor and weak-minded.
      1. +1
        5 December 2023 12: 03
        Quote: Qas
        they must know and foresee!

        Do you think we have psychics in the Moscow Region?
    5. +8
      4 December 2023 11: 36
      So who knew that the war would go according to a different scenario and the enemy would hit our weak points. request
      That there will be Highmars, drones, communications and observation satellites with low orbit, Atams and then... the enemy is a good examiner for our generals... he does not forgive them mistakes.
      Everything is as usual - “Winter has come suddenly.” Although it has been predicted since 2004.
    6. AAK
      +4
      4 December 2023 14: 02
      Generals, and especially parade commanders and thinkers, absolutely do not give a damn about mistakes and the examiner, the enemy does not forgive only our soldiers and officers, we all see that what should have been done in the army ten years ago, only now, almost 2 years since the beginning of the Northern Military District, they are trying to do it with a terrible creak and a lot of blood, and even then, they again began to exaggerate the theme of the agreement, and where there is an agreement and momentary loot, there will be no thought about the future of the army and the homeland
    7. +1
      5 December 2023 00: 21
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      the enemy is a good examiner for our generals...he doesn’t forgive them for mistakes.

      In the General Staff, it’s probably like in the proverb about the cuckoo and the rooster, they say each other, and external attacks are repelled by the enemy’s unexpected use of foreign equipment!
  5. +5
    4 December 2023 05: 12
    In the evening about five drones flew across Lugansk
  6. +14
    4 December 2023 05: 54
    with an interesting and still classified “Lily of the Valley” kit

    half of which were “forgotten” in Ukraine
    Therefore, there is no more secrecy.
  7. +5
    4 December 2023 05: 55
    It all depends on the size of the equipment; what they managed to cram into the size of a fighter, in our case, at best, into an average transport aircraft for the same quality. And by quantity, you can see how many A 100 prime ministers were able to build.
    1. +9
      4 December 2023 08: 18
      Quote: Skif3216
      what they managed to cram into the size of a fighter, we, at best, fit into a medium transport aircraft for the same quality

      Excuse me, are you writing from 1960, or what? It’s forgivable for Roman, he has to write about what the editor-in-chief asks, and he may not know some things, because he has little time to prepare articles.
      The Americans also have electronic warfare aircraft on a “non-fighter” base, look at the EC-130H Compass Call with its almost 70 tons of maximum take-off. The question is not miniaturization, the question is efficiency, and the same "Growler" before such an aircraft was backwards to China. Our “Chopper” is just a different class; there is no need to compare it with a “growler”.
      1. 0
        4 December 2023 21: 41
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        electronic warfare aircraft on a “non-fighter” base, see at least the EC-130H Compass Call with its almost 70 tons of maximum take-off. Question

        Boeing Pelican is better suited for this. After all, it could rise to 6000 m and at the same time pull at the load limit like a ship - it loaded and carried 17 Abrams. Much more for radio equipment. It’s even a pity that supporters of ekranoplanes do not defend their advantages as a platform for electronic warfare or flying radars or air defense systems or MLRS. Try to catch such a small device on an ultra-small one, when it can quickly approach (having previously flown hundreds or thousands of kilometers from the depths of the rear) and release a package of RS at once, and from above it is protected by conventional aviation and air defense forces.
      2. +1
        5 December 2023 19: 53
        You didn't get the point of the article. The problem is not with the Porubshchik, but with the absence of an analogue of the Growler, which could quickly accompany fighters, flying out on combat missions with them.
        1. 0
          5 December 2023 21: 08
          Quote: Timur_kz
          You didn't get the point of the article.

          I caught it. But many articles did not understand, and we are sincerely confident that we cannot make an analogue of the Growler, because the analogue will only fit into the dimensions of the IL-20
  8. +15
    4 December 2023 05: 59
    And here the question arises: why don’t we have such an aircraft?

    Isn’t it clear? There are no subsidies (no money) - so they are holding on to what they can.
    If in the USSR huge amounts of money were spent on better developments in the Ministry of Defense and from the military-industrial complex in the civilian sector, then in a country where the economy is geared towards generating income from trading “whatever is necessary”, the income goes into the pockets of the owners.
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    This is a good article!

    The article is good, like the author himself, only here:
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    But electronic warfare aviation is a case where even the Soviet foundation did not help, thanks to the brilliant gentlemen with wide stripes...

    Even very wide stripes do not guarantee getting rid of selfish interests and, especially, will not replace the convolutions in the brain...
  9. +26
    4 December 2023 06: 13
    And I will express my version. All these support planes, they are sometimes invisible hard workers. Give us some show-off. Therefore, if VKS, then this is an air show, “bell”, “Cobra”, which have no analogues... etc... And then the VKS cannot suppress either air defense or enemy airfields. Except for Konashenkov, of course. If it’s a fleet, then every minesweeper we have is an “aircraft carrier killer”... And then these killers hide in internal roadsteads from an enemy who does not have a fleet. Any creation is work, sometimes rough and inconspicuous. They don't show cartoons here...
    1. -6
      4 December 2023 12: 18
      I would say on the topic of electronic warfare - why do we need this (?) - expediency (!) - I'll explain now
      paradox
      US Navy admirals admit that the Bastion anti-ship missile system with the Monolit-B over-the-horizon radar sees the US Navy AUG at a range of 750-1500 km (export) and issues target designation for the P-800 Oniks anti-ship missile system
      BUT - the same ZGRLS Monolith, Monument, Mineral, Positive with more energy on missile boats, small missiles, Corvettes, Frigates, BOD - Russian Navy
      - cannot detect the US Navy AUG and issue target designation for anti-ship missiles feel
      where is the logic (?)
    2. 0
      5 December 2023 23: 27
      Well, in terms of show-offs, it was “Khibiny” that set an unsurpassed record. I remember the times when people were almost banned from this site for denying mass layoffs from Donald Cook. And then, if it were a matter of show-off, then there would not be a huge (they say, the largest in the world) number of various electronic warfare systems in the ground forces.
  10. +14
    4 December 2023 06: 50
    . “Raven”, “Thief” and “Grump” - why don’t we have them?

    Yes, because it is not professionals who are in charge, but those who confuse their personal hair with the state one.
    1. -5
      4 December 2023 12: 44
      first you need to build at least 1 more TAVKR - then deck-based electronic warfare/electronic warfare aircraft will appear
      1. +3
        4 December 2023 23: 51
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        first you need to build at least 1 more TAVKR - then deck-based electronic warfare/electronic warfare aircraft will appear

        This is not understood here.
    2. +2
      4 December 2023 20: 12
      First, you need a competent concept for the use of aviation! Then there is an understanding of the tasks that aviation must solve, and then an understanding of what is needed! bully
      And we need an adequate system of military exercises to test the reality and effectiveness of the concept!
      At the beginning of the Northern Military District, the Aerospace Forces relied on conventional weapons, intending to destroy the Ukrainian air defense with the available forces and arsenal laughing Was it really possible that during the exercises the Su34, with the help of the FAB, managed to carry out tasks against echeloned air defense of an object protected by the BUK and S300 air defense systems and MANPADS, or the Tunguska?!! wassat
      How were the exercises carried out that they could not understand that in a real war this is not possible? feel
  11. +2
    4 December 2023 07: 00
    J-16D made in China https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4400772.html. Everything can be done. You need time, money, desire, production capacity, etc. Nothing at all.
  12. -18
    4 December 2023 07: 02
    As always, the author has lost everything, we have nothing. Conclusions about the effectiveness of the Khibiny are drawn from the statements of someone in telegrams, at least an oversight by special officers or a pilot from the category of “officer’s daughters.” Strange logic, an aircraft with hanging containers will lose its armament, but a separate specially sharpened aircraft will be equally armed in the general formation? I know that the request will remain in the air, but I appeal to the management to include the signature of the authors at the beginning of the article, readers will save a lot of time.
    1. +8
      4 December 2023 08: 20
      Quote: vietnam7
      Strange logic, an aircraft with hanging containers will lose its armament, but a separate specially sharpened aircraft will be equally armed in the general formation?

      A single aircraft is a specialization that is always preferable
    2. +1
      5 December 2023 19: 55
      But it shouldn’t fly separately on its own, as you read the article. He must accompany the strike groups in flight.
  13. +6
    4 December 2023 07: 28
    Strange, the author draws a conclusion. Krat is no worse than Raytheon!? We can quite agree, with two big reservations. The Americans are a private corporation, and secondly, as shown in the article, we are far behind in the element base. From this we conclude that we are unlikely to be able to make an analogue of Growler ourselves without outside help. We still can’t finish Afar to mass production, let alone the equipment that hasn’t been made for decades. And there is no need to use the Parubshchik as an example. There's a huge car there.
    1. +1
      4 December 2023 23: 50
      Quote: Magic Archer
      We still can’t finish Afar to mass production

      And, for example: what does it cost in Khibiny-M, SAP-14 and Lever-AV? Or are you not from Russia?
      1. +2
        5 December 2023 01: 14
        Do you really know what is in the listed complexes)))?! Well, tell me))) what components and where they come from. Very interesting. And yes, I'm from Russia. Although I have no idea what this stupid question was for.
  14. +13
    4 December 2023 08: 22
    Here you go. The author popularly explained to us why the air defense system in Ukraine still cannot be suppressed. For the last 20 years, all they did was destroy factories, military schools, and Soviet education. There was no time for airplanes. I’m wondering in what area, in the last 20 years, we have worked ahead of the West? Probably for the “production” of billionaires per capita?
    1. +16
      4 December 2023 08: 32
      Quote: steel maker
      Probably for the “production” of billionaires per capita?

      Yes, we are ahead of the rest here
    2. +9
      4 December 2023 11: 51
      Quote: steel maker
      I’m wondering in what area, in the last 20 years, we have worked ahead of the West?

      And it seems to me that there is such an area.
      Where the interests of the oligarchs and the state intersect.
      This is the Arctic Ocean. Specifically, we are ahead of everyone in the construction of nuclear icebreakers.
      No one has this, but we do. And the prospects are good.
      1. -1
        4 December 2023 12: 00
        "And the prospects are good..."
        And good for whom? Remember, anything good should reach people. And when it’s good only for those around the “sun-faced”, it’s only good for those who grunt.
        1. +1
          4 December 2023 12: 17
          So you want to say that building nuclear icebreakers is a bad idea?
          Remember, with such thoughts you can easily fall into the “grunting” mood.
  15. +16
    4 December 2023 08: 42
    After half of Russia and two-thirds of VO commentators admired how, with the light hand of some blogger, the Russian Su-24 “Khibiny” disabled the American destroyer Donald Cook in the Black Sea, I no longer see any point in publicly discussing electronic warfare systems and their carriers. 90% of our readers and Internet users have no idea what types and what these electronic warfare systems are for and how they are used.
  16. +8
    4 December 2023 08: 43
    After half of Russia and two-thirds of VO commentators admired how, with the light hand of some blogger, the Russian Su-24 “Khibiny” disabled the American destroyer Donald Cook in the Black Sea, I no longer see any point in publicly discussing electronic warfare systems and their carriers. 90% of our readers and Internet users have no idea what types and what these electronic warfare systems are for and how they are used.
    1. +1
      4 December 2023 14: 36
      In the late 80s, the helicopter regiment conducted flights in the Saishand region near China. The Chinese turned on the electronic warfare and communication was lost. The flights quickly ended that day.
  17. -5
    4 December 2023 09: 06
    It’s funny, Roman-graphomaniac, that there is no topic in which you would not understand. “You should write books, boss”...
    1. +17
      4 December 2023 09: 16
      Quote: Sergey_Vladimir
      It’s funny, Roman-graphomaniac, that there is no topic in which you would not understand.

      The novel, not of its own free will, is forced to write on a variety of topics. Simply put, high website traffic allows you to pay authors. But good articles take a long time and are difficult to write, so there are few of them. If you leave only them, then the site will be updated very rarely, traffic will drop, cash receipts will drop too, the authors will disperse and this will be the end of the resource.
      So Roman is forced to work hard as a multi-machine operator, and you should thank him. Firstly, his articles are not bad, and even when he is wrong, there is reason to discuss it in the comments. Secondly, his work allows readers to regularly enjoy high-quality articles by professional authors.
      1. +5
        4 December 2023 12: 05
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        The novel, not of its own free will, is forced to write on a variety of topics.

        Andrey, hello! I can't agree with you. If you want to chat about this topic in PM.
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        First of all, his articles are not bad

        I agree, there are those who are not bad. But this is usually journalism that does not concern technical issues.
        1. -1
          4 December 2023 12: 27
          Quote: Bongo
          I can not agree with you.

          Good afternoon!
          It is your right. But I talked with Roman at one time and I know what I’m talking about.
          Quote: Bongo
          If you want to chat about this topic in PM.

          If you want to tell me something, I will read it with pleasure. Either in PM or here.
      2. -3
        5 December 2023 09: 03
        As for high-quality articles, it’s a matter of taste, but I wouldn’t say so. So even without “thank you” it’s good. If you chat “for your life”, then maybe, but in highly specialized topics - a layman. And the fact that they pay line by line is a no brainer. That is why the writing is uncontrollable.
  18. +1
    4 December 2023 09: 59
    Great article! Great offer!

    Country give the army a Su-30 with an electronic warfare system!!!
  19. +6
    4 December 2023 10: 20
    The sons of the generals and the oligarchs don’t fly Su-34s, they don’t get shot down. That’s why they put a bolt on aviation electronic warfare.
  20. +2
    4 December 2023 10: 23
    It seems like a good article, but “in Ukraine” makes you think...
  21. 0
    4 December 2023 12: 10
    The best version of combat electronic warfare is the Su34 aircraft. And for the rest we need civilian aircraft - Il114, something like An12,
  22. +1
    4 December 2023 12: 18
    And where is the electronic warfare complex that on TV Zvezda supposedly diverted rockets from the helicopter. And according to ukrov, the helicopters destroyed on the Atakmos cassette riser were with these systems
  23. -1
    4 December 2023 12: 26
    Naturally, Su34 and containers can be hung and equipment installed in the aircraft itself
    1. +2
      4 December 2023 23: 28
      Everything can be hung and set up, just so far there is nothing to hang and nothing from. We have been assembling one AWACS A-100 for 20 years and still can’t do it, because we don’t have our own electronic filling..
  24. +5
    4 December 2023 12: 30
    Can you clarify which Iraqi air force the Americans fought against in 2010? It seems like they all ended in 2003.
  25. pop
    -2
    4 December 2023 12: 40
    Stupid generals are unfit for professional duties. The Ministry of Defense must have technical specialists.
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  27. -2
    4 December 2023 12: 45
    Skomorokhov is sometimes scolded, sometimes praised, thanked. But did he have an article about the Yusov cruisers-destroyers-frigates. About the capabilities of their air defense? And then there’s a topic about the Hussite attacks on the US NAVI. Someone wants to give Zircons to the Hussites. The UAV alone can cope laughing
  28. -5
    4 December 2023 12: 47
    Five aircraft is not a squadron at all. Will five sides be able to cover all forty Hornets operating from an aircraft carrier? Most likely no. If the author is aware of what happened in the Bryansk region, then let him tell it, and not make a mysterious face.
    1. +4
      4 December 2023 13: 51
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Will five sides be able to cover all forty Hornets operating from an aircraft carrier? Most likely no.

      Will be able
      1. -2
        4 December 2023 23: 30
        Can you provide details? At least in general terms.
        1. 0
          5 December 2023 11: 21
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Can you provide details?

          What exactly do you want to know? You can stack up to 5 containers on the Growler, each of which is able to crush at least 1 radar (in general, there are 2 transmitters in the container, and it can crush 2 radars at the same time, but as far as I know, one works in the front hemisphere and the second in the rear, so they can work simultaneously if the enemy is surrounded).
          Well... Our large ships usually have 1-2 long-range radars, we jam them - the detection range... that. The BOD has 2 SLA radars for Daggers. Cruisers 1164 have one Wave, can work on 3 targets. That is, one Growler can blind both the surveillance radar and the SAM radar of a large ship and there will still be some left. The Kuznetsov-type TAVKR even theoretically provided no more than 18 Su-33s in the air. That is 18 radars. Four Growlers - for the eyes...
          1. 0
            5 December 2023 12: 18
            To crush a ship's radar with container electronic warfare?)))) it's like the "khibiny" were crushing the "Cook"))) let's not be like the theorists)))) no one has yet canceled the difference in the power of the output pulse and the size of the antenna fabric. So, five “growlers” will work against some Vietnam or Algeria. But I strongly doubt Russia or China.
            1. +2
              5 December 2023 12: 49
              Quote: TermNachTER
              To crush a ship's radar with container electronic warfare?)))) it's like they were crushing "Kuka" with "khibiny" weapons)))

              Nikolay, let’s at least study the work of electronic warfare in the most general terms, so that you don’t broadcast such nonsense.
              To begin with, finally learn that the power of the radar signal decreases in proportion to the square of the distance, and the power of the returned signal - in proportion to the fourth power of the distance. At least for a Russian radar, at least for an American one :))) Then try to understand that electronic warfare does not suppress the operation of the radar AT ALL, but only makes such changes to the reflected signal that do not allow one to understand what is actually happening. And this is relatively easy, because, say, a radar signal at 100 km is 10 times weaker than at 100 km. That is, electronic warfare operates with a signal power that is ORDERS OF LESS than the radiated power of the radar. And that's enough.
              1. 0
                5 December 2023 23: 22
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Then try to understand that electronic warfare does not suppress the operation of the radar AT ALL

                What is the suppression coefficient for then?
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                but only introduces such changes into the reflected signal that do not allow us to understand what is actually happening...

                How does electronic warfare make changes to the reflected signal? A ground-based radar changes signal parameters (and some, waveforms) from pulse to pulse. This allows, when the jammer is working, to obtain three coordinates of any target between the radar and the jammer, including the jammer itself. Due to the deterioration of the time balance, naturally. For the missile seeker, everything is worse due to the large relative acceleration of the target.

                ZY By the way, in the mid-90s, the Thief could not cope with either 3P95 or Lev.
                1. +1
                  6 December 2023 08: 42
                  Quote: Comet
                  What is the suppression coefficient for then?

                  I don’t really know what you mean about him - within the framework of my opponent’s statements.
                  Quote: Comet
                  How does electronic warfare make changes to the reflected signal?

                  With your signal.
                  Quote: Comet
                  A ground-based radar changes signal parameters (and some, waveforms) from pulse to pulse.

                  And electronic warfare adapts to it; the operation of electronic warfare at pseudo-random frequencies has been mastered since tube electronics times
                  Quote: Comet
                  This allows, when the jammer is working, to obtain three coordinates of any target between the radar and the jammer, including the jammer itself

                  Yes, yes, electronic warfare died a long time ago, except for jamming with ranges :))) I heard this somewhere...
                  Quote: Comet
                  ZY By the way, in the mid-90s, the Thief could not cope with either 3P95 or Lev.

                  Who didn't make it? :)))
  29. +1
    4 December 2023 12: 59
    What surprises me about all this is that we seemed to understand the importance of electronic warfare aircraft, that our electronic warfare equipment was praised at all exhibitions and forums. And it’s not far from the idea “What if we return electronic warfare to airplanes, it happened before.” At the same time, the aircraft mentioned in the article, as well as those not listed, were actively flying in NATO, and specifically in the United States.
    But for 20 years, no one in the leadership of the country, or at least in the leadership of the army, has done anything about this. Although all the military conflicts of the 2008th century + our OWN experience of the war in Georgia in XNUMX showed that gradually air defense and air defense systems are becoming more accessible. And if in the XNUMXth century, countries that could count on the fingers of one hand had serious air defense systems, now only very poor African countries and some countries in Latin America do not have air defense systems that pose a serious threat.
  30. 0
    4 December 2023 13: 00
    It’s just that Russian military leaders, as it suddenly turned out with the beginning of the Northern Military District, have no military foresight and generally no inclination for analytics... for decades now the Russian army has been without normal communications, UAVs and electronic warfare, although the directions in which military technologies are moving have been obvious for a long time... glory By God, at least something was being done in the direction of land-based reb forces, and it was clearly not enough..
    1. +3
      4 December 2023 13: 51
      Our military leaders have everything, including the gift of foresight. The reasons are not in them, or rather not entirely in them. About thirty years ago, a catastrophe occurred, the SA collapsed. Breaking, as you know, cannot be built, along with the army, the defense complex was destroyed, specialists were lost. I think anyone who knows the real state of affairs in our aircraft industry and the production of electronic components will ask, where is our electronic warfare , does not set.
      1. -2
        4 December 2023 23: 49
        But in the same 30 years, it was possible to restore everything that was destroyed, if there was foresight, understanding and desire. After all, there were all the opportunities to do this. The country had a lot of money and capital, but they wasted it on the Olympics, World Championships, Universiades, gas pipelines, parades, biathlons and other beads. Where are these gas pipelines and filled stadiums now and the new equipment that was shown to us at parades?
        1. 0
          6 February 2024 16: 55
          Restore everything that was destroyed, you say? Who will invest in this? These are very long-term projects. Profit (possible) will come in 20 -30 years. Who will invest in this besides the state? Nobody. And the state also has other priorities, at least for now
  31. +2
    4 December 2023 15: 26
    Electronic warfare is that thing that you can’t touch. But at the same time, there is an opportunity for some unscrupulous manufacturers to hang noodles on their ears (about having analogues), and put really good electronic warfare on the shelf due to lack of understanding by officials. For some striped cast iron, it is closer and clearer, they themselves do not fly. This is probably one of the reasons for the lack of our aviation behind the front line.
    1. +2
      4 December 2023 16: 01
      Why don't you touch it? If you touch it, the electronic warfare equipment is quite tangible. But only combat operations can evaluate its effectiveness. The absence of our aviation behind the front line is quite understandable; the reason for this is the enemy’s good military air defense. Up to 5 km there is a chance to get a MANPADS missile, of which the Ukrainian Armed Forces have more than a lot, higher, an SAM missile. The fact is that any takeoff and flight route of our aircraft is recorded by NATO and, I assume, also by ground reconnaissance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, forewarned means forearmed.
  32. +2
    4 December 2023 16: 37
    The article is topical and relevant. Only there are many such questions: where are the space reconnaissance assets, where is the fleet, where is the communications, where is the UAV, where is the equipment, where is modern interaction, etc., etc. Alas, we are behind and are far behind and this needs to be resolved. The question is who and how it will be resolved.
  33. +2
    4 December 2023 18: 06
    Are they needed? - that the Americans use them - says little - without knowing about their usefulness - and why only about airplanes - we have ground-based electronic warfare stations - do they use them in the Northern Military District?
  34. -1
    4 December 2023 20: 43
    La Russie orienté son modèle militaire par une guerre nucléaire éclaire uniquement,face aux Etats Unis d'Amérique...pas besoin de beaucoup de technologie.la Russie n'est pas un état impérialiste pour faire des guerres dans d'autres pas.. .le pays a besoin uniquement de missiles longue portée et des défenses antimissile...pas plus..
    1. 0
      10 December 2023 23: 03
      Nonsense. Russia thinks about ALL options for protecting the country. And not only yours, by the way.
  35. -1
    4 December 2023 21: 04
    “The Grunts received their baptism of fire at the end of 2010 in Iraq. In combat operations against the Iraqi Air Force and Air Defense, the EA-18G, according to reports from the US Department of Defense, was recognized as a very effective weapon.”
    I would like details, given that in 2010 there was no air defense left in Iraq, and the Air Force was slowly rearming and did not represent any force. The country has been destroyed since 2003. However, Roman may know something like that....
  36. -2
    4 December 2023 22: 50
    Quote: Alien From
    Roman asks: why isn’t there this and that? Yes, because no one needs a bolt.

    Not suitable for parades; it takes a long time to finish, just like AWACS. Such planes build armies preparing for war, not ballet
  37. 0
    4 December 2023 23: 23
    It seems to me that the point here is in the doctrine, in our country it is defense and, accordingly, electronic warfare is made ground-based, almost stationary. In principle, there were rumors about an expeditionary force, maybe they would create it as part of it, although in general everything there seemed to be based on helicopters...
  38. +9
    4 December 2023 23: 25
    “Raven”, “Thief” and “Grump” - why don’t we have them?

    Because they are not needed. The Raven has long been withdrawn from USAF service due to the obsolescence of the concept of its use, and the Thief and Grumpy were never in service with the USAF at all; these are deck-based aircraft with very strict weight and size restrictions.
    Another funny thing. There is another article on this site:
    https://topwar.ru/128491-kompleks-reb-hibiny.html
    The author of both articles is the same - Roman Skomorokhov, but the content of these two articles is completely opposite. Various suspicions arise:
    1. Various authors are published under Roman Skomorokhov.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov does not remember what he ever published.
    3. Roman Skomorokhov prints what he was given and paid for.
    4. .... Add at your discretion.
    1. 0
      5 December 2023 11: 13
      Where the weather vane blows from is where it writes.
      The main thing is to change your shoes quickly
    2. 0
      5 December 2023 23: 37
      It's like on dating sites - you write different things to ten girls, and then you get confused.
  39. -1
    5 December 2023 03: 30
    The tale about the downed planes was invented by Budanov, who already in his wet fantasies had already captured Crimea!! The Ukrainian side is inundating its semi-literate people with fakes. Ukraine is losing a huge number of personnel, losing technical equipment, a widespread counter-offensive has failed, and so that the mob does not rebel, it is necessary to invent victories!!
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  40. +2
    5 December 2023 08: 23
    The author's first paragraph contains a mention of the "Bryansk pogrom". In that story, two of the three helicopters were electronic warfare.
  41. -1
    5 December 2023 11: 11
    And let’s talk about the need for such a phenomenon as an electronic warfare aircraft in the aviation system of the Aerospace Forces.

    You're lying! We have unparalleled Su-24 aircraft that burn all the electronics on NATO ships!
  42. 0
    5 December 2023 11: 27
    There was clearly a love of reconnaissance and command; no rabbi planes would have helped with such an approach to war. They gave the aircraft the opportunity to fly freely, as in exercises, in conditions of the possibility of covertly pulling air defense systems to the borders, especially at that time they were trumpeting about the Kiev regime receiving patriots... Especially in the conditions of leaking information about takeoffs from airfields from Kyiv agents.
    The same cruiser Moscow also fell in love, probably due to the lack of some kind of cover or electronic warfare? Or it was simply enough not to push it into that area in conditions when they were already talking about British anti-ship missiles. Moreover, it was not intended for the assigned tasks at all - its element was a military theater on the high seas, and not to blockade islands.
    And everywhere such pro-loves have been and are still being made, take the same blow from Hymers at the concert for Rocketman’s Day.
    So, in conditions when intelligence and command treat the war carelessly, no amount of prodigies and their number will help. You can fight effectively using available means if you have real, not cardboard specialists at the headquarters!
  43. 0
    5 December 2023 12: 02
    How about a Yak-28PP? 84? How many front-line aviation aircraft are there? How about 5-7 thousand? Now calculate the same proportion for the current number of Aerospace Forces (which are really 2-3 air fleets in the world), and you will get, well, one squadron. The sad truth is that aircraft of this type remain in large numbers only in the United States. The same applies to front-line RTR aircraft, the “air defense killer”. For us, the problem is also (why, in fact, the Su-24MP didn’t work) that stuffing a powerful jamming station for “collective defense” (and not self-defense) into a sane hanging container, taking into account the level of domestic electronics, is problematic in principle. So, I'm afraid the Su-30 is no good here. Here it would be nice to fit it into a Su-34. First of all, in terms of volume. Judging by the fact that the Lever required a whole Mi-8.
  44. 0
    6 December 2023 04: 00
    There are a lot of correct judgments. Perhaps the thoughts of site users are moving in the right direction.
    * * *
    “Raven”, “Thief” and “Grump” - why don’t we have them?

    We have plenty of everything: crows in all structures (with white ones, however, it’s tense); and with the grumblers (not a day goes by without someone remembering our government and the State Duma with a kind word); and with thieves in all structures - abundance. As soon as the face looks like an ass, you can be sure that there is a thief in front of you.
  45. 0
    6 December 2023 06: 49
    Having a possible suitable medium is only 50% of what is needed. We also need modern electronics (and, by the way, those that do not use imported microprocessors). But, alas, she is not there. This is why the A100 project is stuck and hasn’t been heard from since 2017
  46. 0
    6 December 2023 21: 45
    “Quite recently, on the other side of the conflict, data on the Bryansk pogrom was “declassified.” This is when, in a very short period of time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces shot down two Russian planes and three helicopters. This creation will be dismantled to pieces in the very near future.”
    Why am I hearing about these events for the first time? Were there media reports observed?
    Is it really possible to inform about this?
  47. 0
    7 December 2023 22: 58
    Why we don’t have so many things is a question for the leader of the state, he is responsible for the army.
    US budget for yourself + for friends, give another 100 billion. Have mercy.
    Russian military budget The cat cried. Why were military schools closed when the world is on the verge of war? As you can see, NATO is predicting a clash with Russia.
    America concluded a treaty on non-offensive weapons between us and them, but not counting the weapons of all NATO combined
  48. +1
    8 December 2023 10: 19
    Using the Su-30 as a base for an electronic warfare aircraft is the only correct decision for today.
    The Chinese are already ahead of us, they did just that and their Shenyang J-16, a quite effective electronic warfare aircraft.
  49. 0
    8 December 2023 13: 56
    I read the article and liked it, but there is always a problem.
    The wizards from KRET; as it is written in the article, will create something better than Rayton’s, a fairy tale and heresy, how can they create better when the VKS still does not have a single serial radar with AFAR, and this is the key technology of electronic warfare.
    Roman himself in the article slides down to the level of turbo-patriots, it’s a shame, he writes articles well.
    1. 0
      9 December 2023 18: 13
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      The wizards from KRET; as it is written in the article, will create something better than Rayton’s, a fairy tale and heresy, how can they create better when the VKS still does not have a single serial radar with AFAR, and this is the key technology of electronic warfare.

      Is radar a key electronic warfare technology? Where does this nonsense come from?
      1. 0
        10 December 2023 21: 32
        We don’t understand the meaning, I’ll translate it into something understandable, PPM AFAR technology and everything else.
        1. 0
          11 December 2023 23: 14
          Quote: merkava-2bet
          We don’t understand the meaning, I’ll translate it into something understandable, PPM AFAR technology

          What is the need for anti-aircraft missiles in electronic warfare? This is not a radar.
          Quote: merkava-2bet
          And all the rest

          And what is everything else? What's in your manual about this? Why in the manual? Yes, because instead of typing something on the Internet in a search about, for example, SAP-518SM (SAP-518-SM), and reading what is in it, you write some kind of propaganda nonsense.

          ZY Above on the topic, Magic Archer staged a similar clownery.
  50. 0
    11 December 2023 07: 37
    Why not, it’s clear. But why it won’t happen is the question...
  51. +1
    11 December 2023 19: 32
    The article is generally a review and 4/5 people have a poor understanding of the work of electronic warfare and the tactics of its use. Electronic warfare began to develop well after the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict among the ground forces because we received fresh samples of NATO equipment and had something to dance about. But technology does not stand still and everything moves forward. The stories of American generals are still true. I believe that the problem is precisely financing. If the Americans also did not make so many aircraft, the price tag there was probably prohibitive. But the fact that such a technique should be a fact. Moreover, to suppress and destroy. Something like an electronic warfare reconnaissance and strike complex. Only the price tag will be cosmic and there won’t be many of them. Now there is a significant hole in the country's budget due to this. And to have a budget deficit like America - while the ruble is not a dollar.
  52. 0
    18 December 2023 19: 28
    Quote: Bongo
    There is only one thing left who would hear this crying voice and give the command to produce electronic warfare aircraft

    That’s the problem: with us it’s the commands from above and the will of the boss, and there, “in the decaying stage,” it’s business. And business, in the end, always produces a more interesting result (see the actual results there and here)