“Baba Yaga” against: drones are learning to fight in a new way

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“Baba Yaga” against: drones are learning to fight in a new way


"Baba Yaga" and others


Existence drones various purposes at the front are one way or another limited by two factors - the technical perfection of the design and the level of electronic warfare.



At the same time, it is worth understanding that Drones are not the main force in the fields of special operations. Especially during the offensive. Until now, not a single operation at least at the operational level has been carried out solely due to the successful actions of drones. Everyone remembers the bravura statements of the leaders of the Ukrainian Armed Forces about the preparation of an entire army of attack drones, which were simply supposed to sweep away Russian positions. But, fortunately, and as expected, it didn’t work out.

At the end of the second year of the special operation in Ukraine, it can be stated that drones are not a “silver bullet” and are not able to turn the tide of battle even in a separate sector of the front, but they have perfectly adapted to the current theater of operations. The positional nature of the confrontation, which has become the norm in the last year, is perfectly suited for unmanned technologies.

Let's try to figure out which ways the evolution of “drone construction” is moving in Russia and Ukraine.




Heavy drones carry a lot of ammunition, but are noticeable and noisy

UAVs really don’t like electronic warfare systems, which is why developers have to adapt their flying products.

There are few options. For example, switch to new frequencies for control and transmission of video signals. So far, such things are observed at the front in fragments, but this is an alarming sign - in the future, all trench electronic warfare and hand-held drone strikers can be thrown away.

An adversary would not necessarily need to convert all drones to frequencies other than 2 and 400 MHz; only 5 to 800 percent of the entire fleet would be sufficient to do so. When a fighter in a trench does not understand at what frequency an FPV drone is flying at him, going against him with a drone strike will be very risky.

According to experts, by next summer the massive use of UAVs at non-standard frequencies will begin at the front. The first will be the Ukrainian side. Largely due to a more advanced element base. Now the enemy has in its arsenal products intended for the domestic market of the United States. This is not critical, but it may well add problems to the Russian side.

Our industry is completely switching to domestic and Chinese components. First of all, to Chinese ones, secondly to domestic ones.
Drones with self-detonation devices and other surprises have become an adaptation to Russian electronic warfare. If we can’t hit the designated target, we’ll at least cripple a random passerby or an overly curious fighter.

Ukrainian Armed Forces militants are improving their weapon – at the front they talk about drones that do not explode instantly, but according to a timer, for example, in the dugout of an imprudent “collector.” Now any enemy drones that land abnormally at the slightest hint of danger have to be shot from a decent distance.




Drones with satellite communication terminals. Slow, but resistant to electronic warfare

In recent months, the ominous “Baba Yaga” has entered the vocabulary of Russian fighters. This is a heavy agricultural UAV converted into a combat drone. For example, DJI Agras, capable of lifting at least 50 kg into the air, is fifteen 82 mm artillery mines or a pair of 120 mm.

However, much more often lighter options, designed for several VOGs, go into battle.

Each “Baba Yaga,” if purchased from a manufacturer, costs at least one and a half million rubles, but assembled from components it is somewhat cheaper. In both cases, the loss of such a thing from electronic warfare is very sensitive, which is why Ukrainians often install geodetic GPS receivers on drones. The vehicle goes to the target according to coordinates, like a Russian “Geranium” and practically does not react to existing trench suppression systems.

In order to neutralize such a “Babu Yaga”, spoofing complexes are needed that replace signals from GPS satellites and reliably capture the pests. All drones trying to cause damage to cities in the depths of Russia are equipped with similar receivers and are quite confidently jammed.

But you can’t install a spoofing system in every trench, so large and noisy drones are simply shot from the ground. Autonomous tactical-level strike drones are a typical sign of a positional conflict when the front is stable and the targets on it are also more or less motionless.

“Baba Yaga” can be equipped with classic controls and even Starlink dishes. In the latter case, the car can be identified by its low flight speed - Elon Max forbade accelerating his terminals above 60 km/h. With Starlink, things have become somewhat easier at the front now. Russia has learned to suppress these systems through spoofing.

It turned out that each terminal, before starting work, determines its location using GPS and then communicates with the nearest constellation of Starlink satellites. Total spoofing creates many problems for users of this gadget.

New roles


In the foreseeable future, so-called master drones will appear en masse at the front. These are rotorcraft, assembled on the basis of agro-UAVs, carrying several FPV drones under their bellies.

The task is simple - to go as far as possible behind the front line and drop kamikazes where they are least expected. In the rear, cellular communications are not always jammed, not to mention full-fledged electronic warfare. That is, drones from under the belly of the big “Baba Yaga” get the opportunity to operate at a distance of several tens of kilometers, which is impossible under normal conditions. The maximum range of an average FPV is no more than 5 kilometers.

The drone carrier, by the way, can be completely autonomous and move to the drop point using GPS. Further work of the mother machine usually consists of relaying the control signal and reconnaissance from a great height.

A stationary front gives the enemy time for one more trick - accurate mapping of the terrain and the use of navigation systems with recognition of the underlying surface. This is roughly how cruise missiles work. Current electronic warfare systems are powerless against such schemes—neither GPS spoofing nor jamming works here.

However, the accuracy of ammunition with such guidance leaves much to be desired. If for heavy missiles this is partially compensated by a powerful warhead, then it will be much more difficult for a drone to correct a miss.

Artificial intelligence systems can provide more accurate terrain positioning, but this requires months of testing and a new element base. In addition, there are enough “landscape designers” at the front, due to whose work the maps of the area will have to be reloaded into memory almost daily.


An arachnophobe's nightmare

A little more about enemy tactics.

Particularly important objects are closely monitored and the following scheme is launched at the appropriate moment. A reconnaissance drone (for example, Valkyrie) transmits the coordinates of the target, and an FPV killer flies to it. An ambush is set up when the kamikaze lands close to the target and monitors through an on-board camera. Or the scout from above transmits the picture to the operator.

Thus, the FPV quadcopter does not waste energy waiting for the right moment and unmasking itself in the air, but simply waits in ambush for several hours. For example, when the target has more personnel or valuable armored vehicles approach.

Observers in the sky can not only coordinate the attack, but also act as a relay. For now, the only way to escape such traps is with drone detectors and extreme caution.




Russian heavy drone with anti-personnel mines POM-2

From the same cohort of techniques is mining an area using drones. The topic is very promising.

Firstly, remote miners can be launched into uninhabited areas, thereby reducing the risk of interception and destruction.

Secondly, the enemy receives mines in completely unexpected places, which is why losses are higher.

There are also reverse examples.

The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the use of FPV drones for mine clearance. A kamikaze is unable to eliminate a mine buried in the grass, but the “barriers” across the road are quite tough. Complex circuits with seismic and laser sensors are also in the field of interest for FPV demining.

In this case, the kamikaze does not have to die during mine clearance - it is enough to deliver a TNT block with a detonator to the site and quickly retreat.

It is reported that sapper units of the Southern Group of Russian Forces are practicing remote demining.
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  1. +8
    2 December 2023 05: 00
    .. sapper units of the Southern Group of Russian Forces practice remote demining

    I think that this demining solution is much cheaper than all other methods and it would be very desirable to disseminate this experience as much as possible everywhere.
  2. -1
    2 December 2023 05: 21
    Before starting operation, the terminal determines its location using GPS and then communicates with the nearest constellation of Starlink satellites. Total spoofing creates many problems for users of this gadget.

    The set of terms and unsubstantiated technical statements were somewhat reminiscent of the “creativity” of Evgeny Damantsev. But it turned out not. New "text generator"
    1. +4
      2 December 2023 08: 59
      They somehow reminded me of the “creativity” of Evgeny Damantsev. But it turned out not.
      Damantseva, something has not been visible on the site for a long time (maybe I missed something?). He was probably offended by the constant criticism from “ungrateful” readers about the oversaturation of his text with abbreviations and often in the Latin alphabet.
      1. +2
        2 December 2023 09: 21
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Damantseva, something has not been visible on the site for a long time (maybe I missed something?). Probably offended by the constant criticism of "ungrateful" readers

        It looks like yes...! Or VO stopped generously paying him as before...or ordering articles! But, in general, recently I came across a relatively “fresh” article by Damantsev on the Internet!
  3. -2
    2 December 2023 07: 47
    Regarding the effectiveness of stationary electronic warfare systems: as I understand it, these electronic warfare systems simply create a powerful signal at certain frequencies, which, as it were, obscures the signal from the satellite or from the control system. It is quite easy to find such signal sources using the triangulation method, because they should be visible from a distance due to their power. Accordingly, knowing the coordinates, it is easy to attack them both with the help of classical artillery and with the help of missiles homing on this signal (such as anti-radar ones) and even kamikaze UAVs.
    1. 0
      29 February 2024 13: 53
      The antenna radiates. The price of the antenna is orders of magnitude cheaper than any precision-guided ammunition. So the exchange will be super profitable. This simple logic dictates that the entire complex’s facilities should be separated from the antenna at the technical specification stage. And in order not to interrupt the jamming process, simply provide a hot connection for the next backup antenna automatically. But this is in theory, in practice, I doubt that in our military-industrial complex it is done exactly as it should, and not as usual and simpler.
  4. -3
    2 December 2023 08: 21
    "Baba Yaga" - the target is large, slow and flies low. AK/PK plus a thermal imager and "Baba Yaga" ceases to be a problem. According to tactics. Give the khinzirs a “tasty target”, place the sniper aside and that’s it: to make a reset, the bird hangs, i.e. becomes a slow and contrasting target. And “Baba Yaga” is also huge.
    1. +5
      2 December 2023 09: 02
      Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
      "Baba Yaga" - the target is large, slow and flies low. AK/PK plus a thermal imager and "Baba Yaga" ceases to be a problem. According to tactics. Give the khinzirs a “tasty target”, place the sniper aside and that’s it: to make a reset, the bird hangs, i.e. becomes a slow and contrasting target. And “Baba Yaga” is also huge.

      Where did you get the idea that Baba Yaga, and not a couple of artillery shells, would fly in to destroy this “tasty target”? As a result, a sniper with a thermal imager will spend the entire night ambushing an artillery shell instead of shooting at the enemy on the front line. We don’t have enough snipers with thermal imagers to plant dozens of them waiting for Baba Yaga in the near rear.
  5. +2
    2 December 2023 09: 28
    Eh, I wish someone would listen to me while drinking a bottle of rum! I have already accumulated a lot of ideas about improving and developing drones! By the way, some have already been “told” in this article! So...no longer ideas, but reality!
  6. +4
    2 December 2023 10: 31
    “There are few options. For example, switching to new frequencies for control and video signal transmission. So far, such things are observed at the front in fragments, but this is an alarming sign - in the future, all trench electronic warfare and hand-held drone strikers can be thrown away.
    According to experts, by next summer The massive use of UAVs at non-standard frequencies will begin at the front. The first will be the Ukrainian side."

    I read the channel of the VSUshny drone guide, and so.. they are ALREADY actively switching to non-standard frequencies.. and they have very well developed everything related to drones.. for example, he writes (this is not a propaganda channel, but a small channel for specialists) that ours Recently, drone operators were caught, not by detection by a drone (as they wrote on VO), but by intercepting a video signal, i.e. we just saw where he returned .. however, ours are actively using the topic of signal interception, so they also decided to switch to new frequencies .. in addition, they have begun to introduce “drone alarms” en masse, a small box that picks up a drone signal not far away and a beginner squeaking... if the frequencies are not changed, you can soon forget about covert reconnaissance and strikes... but not by summer... much earlier
    1. 0
      2 December 2023 15: 36
      using video signal interception, i.e. we just saw where he returned..

      Everything is “more and more wonderful.” Like Grandfather Krylov’s: “It’s a disaster if there are boots...”
      1. 0
        20 December 2023 21: 20
        Yes Yes! We watched the signal go off into the dugout and, by the loud slam of the door, figured out where the copter operator was sitting, from which such a poorly trained signal returned!
  7. +2
    2 December 2023 11: 17
    Our monster MO is very slow and ineffective, unfortunately it is forced to adapt to the changing tactics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this is especially evident from UAVs, DUM, reconnaissance. The Armed Forces have already learned and use not only mining and demining with the help of UAVs, but they already use DUM remotely controlled modules quite a lot , ground chassis with various functions, and very versatile. It is also worth paying attention to the development of “specialization” of such units. That is, each has its own functions and goals. Not long ago, Yu. Podolyaka wrote how one of these units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine knocked out all the honey in a month. personnel at one of the front sectors. The conclusions suggest themselves.
  8. 0
    2 December 2023 13: 58
    When the front is frozen in positional battles, the good old laser can also be effective. It is enough to hang a large spotting drone higher and it will use a laser to guide small kamikaze drones with a laser receiver onto targets. The experience of the Azerbaijani side using such “sparks” in the war for Karabakh should also be used!
  9. +2
    2 December 2023 14: 01
    The positional nature of the confrontation, which has become the norm in the last year, is perfectly suited for unmanned technologies.

    Drones have filled the niche of powerful long-range snipers.
    As for spoofing, the author exaggerates its value. (At the same time, it would be necessary to explain to the reader what this is. This is a false signal simulating the operation of a satellite. Since the GPS receiver determines its location by triangulation, that is, it compares the arrival time of signals from each of the available satellites and calculates the midpoint for this data, the appearance of a false satellite leads to a gross error in determining the midpoint.) But this is a problem for civilian receivers. Military receivers are able to analyze that taking into account data from one or two of several “satellites” leads to a significant change in the calculated point compared to all others and exclude such false signals from the location calculation.
    1. +2
      2 December 2023 16: 09
      Solar - one problem is the lack of production of "military and space" processors in Russia! We adapt civilian processors to military orders. And after that, many here are shouting that we don’t need to spend money on creating our own elementary base! It’s still necessary, and solve this problem as quickly as possible!
      1. -2
        2 December 2023 22: 06
        Quote: Thrifty
        Solar - one problem is the lack of production of "military and space" processors in Russia! We adapt civilian processors to military orders. And after that, many here are shouting that we don’t need to spend money on creating our own elementary base! It’s still necessary, and solve this problem as quickly as possible!

        Its basic base costs billions of dollars and decades of work. On the open market, their processors will not be able to compete for many years; they will have to subsidize production from the budget, which is already a hole. Well, or you can force all buyers in Russia to pay by introducing restrictions on imports. Which option is closer to you?
        1. +1
          2 December 2023 22: 34
          Quote from Escariot
          Quote: Thrifty
          Solar - one problem - the lack of production of "military and space" processors in Russia! We adapt civilian processors to military orders. And after this, many here shout that we do not need to spend money on creating our own elementary base! We need to solve this problem as quickly as possible!

          Its basic base costs billions of dollars and decades of work. On the open market, their processors will not be competitive for many years; they will have to subsidize production from the budget, which is already a hole. ..

          There is a similar problem in the USA, they again want to return production to their territory and it is not realistic to do this without subsidies, but they are going for it even though they already have a “hole in the budget” of 32 trillion & and nothing bothers anyone. The security of the country comes first!
          1. 0
            3 December 2023 16: 06
            Quote: venaya
            Quote from Escariot
            Quote: Thrifty
            Solar - one problem - the lack of production of "military and space" processors in Russia! We adapt civilian processors to military orders. And after this, many here shout that we do not need to spend money on creating our own elementary base! We need to solve this problem as quickly as possible!

            Its basic base costs billions of dollars and decades of work. On the open market, their processors will not be competitive for many years; they will have to subsidize production from the budget, which is already a hole. ..

            There is a similar problem in the USA, they again want to return production to their territory and it is not realistic to do this without subsidies, but they are going for it even though they already have a “hole in the budget” of 32 trillion & and nothing bothers anyone. The security of the country comes first!

            Great, I’m very happy for the Americans, but what does this have to do with the state of the Russian semiconductor industry? The USA will print money, but where will Russia get the money from? Introduce a tax on processors for the population or impose protective duties on foreign processors?
            1. 0
              4 December 2023 01: 05
              Quote from Escariot
              Great, ... the United States will print money, but where will Russia get the money from?

              Not only does the United States have a printing press; let me remind you that the EU has operating printing presses in other parts of the world; it also exists in Russia. Have you really forgotten about this too? By the way, in Russia there is no longer such a mind-boggling debt as is observed in the United States, the excess money supply will not hit the economy so hard, and in the future, any injections into the military-industrial complex will significantly stimulate the country’s economy, which is well known in the United States and is still actively used!
              1. 0
                4 December 2023 07: 32
                Quote: venaya
                Quote from Escariot
                Great, ... the United States will print money, but where will Russia get the money from?

                Not only does the United States have a printing press; let me remind you that the EU has operating printing presses in other parts of the world; it also exists in Russia. Have you really forgotten about this too? By the way, in Russia there is no longer such a mind-boggling debt as is observed in the United States, the excess money supply will not hit the economy so hard, and in the future, any injections into the military-industrial complex will significantly stimulate the country’s economy, which is well known in the United States and is still actively used!

                Do you go to the store? Look at what the excess money supply has done to prices. It's only the beginning.
        2. +1
          13 February 2024 11: 02
          Quote from Escariot
          Quote: Thrifty
          Solar - one problem is the lack of production of "military and space" processors in Russia! We adapt civilian processors to military orders. And after that, many here are shouting that we don’t need to spend money on creating our own elementary base! It’s still necessary, and solve this problem as quickly as possible!

          Its basic base costs billions of dollars and decades of work. On the open market, their processors will not be able to compete for many years; they will have to subsidize production from the budget, which is already a hole. Well, or you can force all buyers in Russia to pay by introducing restrictions on imports. Which option is closer to you?

          If you invest money on time and provide a surplus of specialists, then millions and 5 years. A factory for the production of industrial processors costs about $3 million. The software can be written by 2-3 students in a year or two. But this has not been done for decades. As a result, there is no basis for consumer electronics and industrial robots and automation - the modern basis of the industrial economy. Having such an industrial base, it would be possible to set any goals.
          1. 0
            29 February 2024 14: 15
            Quote: goose
            A factory for the production of industrial processors costs about $3 million. The software can be written by 2-3 students in a year or two.

            Do you understand what the high-tech industry is? This is not a machine or a program, it is thousands of machines and millions of people. To understand, this is an analogy - you can install a CNC lathe in your garage and turn precision parts alone, purchasing metal, cutters, measuring tools, oils, cutting fluids, etc. via the Internet with delivery directly to the garage. And all this will cost relatively little money and time. But all this will be impossible without a developed industry, without chemical, mechanical engineering, processing and other industries. And each of them needs its own thousands and thousands of items of equipment, programs, transport and other things. Those. It is not enough to purchase even hundreds of machines for the production of this very electronics, you need to raise all industry and science to a level sufficient for the production of electronics, this is not even billions of dollars, this is trillions.
    2. 0
      3 December 2023 01: 28
      Military GPS has encrypted channels. But there are no military receivers on the drones in question.
  10. +1
    3 December 2023 16: 41
    For example, switch to new control and transmission frequencies

    Not necessarily, you can launch drones according to the program...
    That DJI made ones that could be launched into an “autonomous” flight, without exchanging information, along a given route and other actions according to the program filled in before the flight, even before the flight...
    Surely there are “combat” ones that are designed for such use...
    Another thing is that we don’t have this...