MiG-27ML: Indian detective story with far-reaching consequences

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MiG-27ML: Indian detective story with far-reaching consequences

Now we will begin a detective story with a sequel. It happens that you take a topic, start delving into it, and then something like this comes out into the light... That’s exactly what happened with this history, it’s just that some inconsistencies and non-convergence of files forced me to dig up the history, and then off we go.

Probably, many will be interested in what the relationship is between the Indian MiG-27 and the new residential complexes in the very near Moscow region - but there is one! Only between the houses there will still be stormtroopers, Tanks and helicopters. In assortment. And in the end, we will try to get an answer to the question of how many tanks and helicopters need NOT be built in order to end up with a residential complex near Moscow.



Но обо всем по порядку.

And we will start with the MiG-27. More precisely, the MiG-27M, since it was this modification that became exported and went to the Indian Air Force. Having bought a decent batch of MiG-80BN in the early 23s, the Indians, having understood the delights of Mikoyan’s machines, decided to purchase more advanced and versatile MiG-27s.

Naturally, the deal provided for licensed production of aircraft in India.

On our part, the Irkutsk Aviation Plant became the contractor, because the plant in Ulan-Ude was inundated with orders and could not cope with the volumes. And the first batch of aircraft for India was assembled in Irkutsk. The modification was called MiG-27ML, and it differed from the original in a simplified set of weapons and state identification system transponders. In India, aircraft began to be assembled in the city of Nasik from Soviet vehicle kits, and so the first batch of 50 aircraft was assembled. On January 11, 1986, the first MiG-27ML, assembled in India, took to the skies. And since 1988, the production of aircraft made from components produced directly in India began.

The plane, as they say, “has landed.” Indian pilots gave him the name "Bahadur", that is, "Brave". The MiG-27ML was produced until 1996 and a total of 150 aircraft were manufactured in India. Plus another 60 aircraft were supplied from the USSR, both as kits and in assembled form.


You need to understand that the Indians liked the MiG-27 so much because they had decent experience in operating the MiG-23B, on the basis of which the MiG-27 was created. And in general, the Mikoyanites produced a very effective fighter-bomber. And this was not a modification, it was a very large job of reworking the aircraft, as a result of which a new model appeared.

The changes even affected the airframe. The system of controlled air intakes was removed, the design of the chassis was changed, strengthening it, the parking position became almost horizontal, which had a positive effect on taxiing and takeoff.

But the most global changes affected avionics. The PrNK-23 sighting and navigation system was installed, built on the basis of the Orbita-20 on-board digital computer, which was modern at that time. The complex also included: the KN-23 navigation complex, the S-17VG sighting head and the Fon laser rangefinder. The prNK provided automatic flight along the route with a return to the departure airfield or three alternate airfields, pre-landing maneuver, bombing beyond visual range of the ground - eleven tasks in total.

Instead of the GSh-23L cannon, they decided to install a ship monster, AO-18 from the AK-630 naval gun mount, following the example of the Americans (hello, “Warthog”!). The six-barreled 30mm machine gun required reinforcement of the airframe. Plus, the number of suspension units was increased, bringing them to seven. The aircraft could carry both bombs and various air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles. The weapons were controlled by the SUV-2 system.


We must understand that time passed inexorably, and the moment was approaching when it was necessary to think about modernizing aircraft to maintain their combat effectiveness. This is a normal practice in the world. In general, the Indian military liked the MiG-27ML; the complaints were mainly related to the fact that the modern aircraft at that time carried a very poor range of weapons. In general, this was true; the export versions of the MiG-27 were indeed somewhat “lean” in terms of missiles and adjustable bombs.

The Russian side tried to eliminate the current situation by proposing to equip the MiG-27ML with Kh-31P and R-73 missiles. Issues of equipping with more modern bombs, including adjustable ones, were considered.


But a peculiar situation has arisen here. The Mikoyan Design Bureau and the Irkutsk Aviation Plant... asked the Indian side for money! On our side, it was believed that in the conditions of economic independence caused by the change of system in Russia, work on the installation and adaptation of new types of weapons, including container electronic warfare stations, should be financed by the customer.

But on the Indian side they were not ready for such a turn of events. The Soviet Union did not require its clients to invest financially in development, thereby spoiling buyers a little. Therefore, Indian clients began to look around in the hope of finding where they could get cheaper and more interesting service. And together with Russian companies, those wishing to modernize the MiG-27ML appeared from France, Germany and Israel.

The Indians had very serious desires. I wanted to get a new “friend or foe” transponder for the MiG-27, new radio stations, a radar radiation warning system, and even with automatic jamming, a digital HUD and a combined satellite navigation system that would work from both Russian and American satellites. From the Russian side, in addition to weapons, they wanted to receive an in-flight refueling system, a new radar, a new OLS and an interface system so that all this equipment could function without causing conflicts.

The Russian enterprise Fazotron-NIIR proposed to equip the Indian MiG-27ML with the Komar container radar, a lightweight version of the Spear radar, which was used in the modernization of the Indian MiG-21. This would make the aircraft all-weather regardless of the time of day.


Well, the icing on the cake was supposed to be a powerful air conditioner and night vision goggles for the pilot, plus a container with reconnaissance equipment from the British company Vinten VICON 18.

And everything was just fine until the other side, in the West, issued an invoice. Then the Indians realized that realities do not always correspond to promises, and prices can suddenly rise to the skies. In general, the Indians abruptly refused to cooperate with Western suppliers and dances continued only with Russian partners. In general, Indian representatives agreed to modernizations that would allow the MiGs to last until 2010.

In the early 2000s, the remaining MiG-27MLs in service underwent modernization and received the designation MIG-27UPG. Modernization was carried out in a limited form and mainly concerned the capabilities of using high-precision weapons and conducting electronic warfare.

As representatives of the Indian Ministry of Defense stated, using national competencies and for completely reasonable sums, Indian industry specialists were able to bring aircraft from the seventies up to the modern level.


But in reality, everything was somewhat different. Of course, modernization was done by Russian brains. Yes, the MiG-27 has undergone very significant changes, less than half of the control systems remained from the original design, and the mechanical component was almost completely removed. Replaced with more modern avionics components.

Moreover, the principle “I molded him from what was” was sacredly observed. It’s a paradox, but when modernizing the Mikoyan Design Bureau aircraft, components from Sukhoi Design Bureau aircraft were easily used, specifically from the Su-30MKI, developed for India. The aircraft now has an integrated flight and weapons control system, IFWCS. Next, the MiGs received new electronic warfare equipment, communication systems, a radio altimeter and an inertial navigation system adjusted by satellite signals. The pilot now has a moving map of the area on his multifunctional device.

In addition, after modernization, the MiG-27 was able to use laser-guided missiles and bombs. Moreover, not only Russian FAB-250 and FAB-500, but also their imported analogues such as KAB “Griffin”.

The Indians have worked very hard on the software, creating a new kit for the MiG-27UPG. New algorithms for navigation, calculating the range and flight path of weapons after release, automatic flight along turning points of the route in the memory of the on-board computer and interfacing the operation of all equipment, including equipment in hanging containers: Israeli Litening from Rafael and British Vinten Vicon 18 .

As part of the modernization program, 2007 aircraft were modernized until 125. In general, the Indian command was satisfied with the progress of the work. Moreover, in 2006, at the Farnborough Air Show, the general director of MMPP Salyut announced plans to modernize the MiG-27 of the Indian Air Force.

As part of the overhaul, it was planned to replace the R-29B-300 engines with the AL-31F, which develops greater thrust (12300 kgf versus 11300 kgf), is 200 kg lighter and 15% more economical.

Salyut even produced a full-size mock-up of the AL-31F for installation on the MiG-27M, and before the end of the year it was rolled into a mock-up aircraft. A pleasant surprise was that minimal modifications to the airframe for the engine were required. From December 2007 to February 2008, flight tests of the MiG-27M with the AL-31F engine took place.

Minimal modifications to the airframe's power elements were required. Then three more motors were assembled for various types of tests. Flight tests of the modernized MiG-27M No. 115 were carried out from December 20, 2007 to February 18, 2008. 10 flights lasting more than one hour were made. Tests have shown that the aircraft has become more efficient in terms of achieving maximum speed, combat maneuverability and climb rate. Even the prospect of cruising flight at supersonic speed without the use of engine afterburner loomed.

The electronics of the modernized MiG-27M were also planned to be thoroughly shaken up. It was planned to install an optimized version of the Platan sighting system with the Su-34 or a modern version of the Kaira. All this promised to make the MiG-27M a very promising attack aircraft that could surpass all existing single-engine analogues such as the F-16 and Gripen when operating against ground targets.

For the Indian Air Force, it was generally very tempting to unify two types of aircraft, the MiG-27 attack aircraft and the Su-30MKI fighter in terms of power plant and on-board systems. This would make it possible to build logistics more efficiently, not only in terms of delivering everything necessary to service the aircraft, but also to simplify the maintenance procedure itself, both from a logistics point of view and in terms of education and training of technical personnel.

Fast, brutal and merciless - this is how one of its pilots, Anshuman Mainkar, who both flew and fought on the Bahadur, described the MiG-27.


“In my opinion, this is the only fighter aircraft where an engine explosion is a standard aircraft emergency.”

What's the worst thing about the MiG-27?

While considered one of the most powerful single-engine fighters in the world, it had several powerplant problems, but these were also due to age, engine model, and maintenance issues. In my opinion, this is the only fighter in which an engine explosion is a standard aircraft emergency.

But the real problem was the air conditioning, which only worked after 6000 feet. At low altitudes, temperatures like “hot/hotter/inferno”, as they are affectionately called in the Indian Air Force, did not provide much respite to the pilot.

Tell me something I don't know about the plane? Did you know that it wobbles along its longitudinal axis (nose to tail) at high speeds with maximum sweep, especially at low altitudes? Reminds me of the flight of a bullet.

How fast was the MiG-27?

The rate of climb is decent.
Top speed at low altitude – I crossed 1100 km/h.
The maximum speed is at a high level - at an altitude of 10 km I went behind the sound.

Is it better to avoid or defeat the F-16? The MiG-27, being an attack aircraft, will most likely be escorted into enemy territory. However, if it had to fight an F-16, the ideal choice would be to maneuver defensively toward a quick escape at low altitude. This is how close combat is in general: you either dominate or run away. However, I found the Su-30 to be complex, versatile and dominant in almost any situation.

What do I like most about the MiG-27 and why? Chassis. Designed like a piece of art and durable too. My main advice to anyone who has boarded the Bahadur is to respect him and he will treat you right.

But the workload for the pilot was very high. The main effect was the lack of modern HUD and other convenient gizmos. In general, in today's era one cannot expect much from them. But their systems were well designed, and it was an attack pilot's dream for its time. It delivered the payload well to the point of use.

What's the biggest airplane myth? Low reliability. True, they required maintenance, but other than the engine, they behaved and performed relatively well, considering the analogue systems and equipment on board. The Russians built good planes.


This is an opinion from a pilot who flew and fought in the MiG-27ML for a very long time.


If you don’t pick on words, then the MiG-27 is a pretty decent attack aircraft. And the fact that they wanted to extend his service in the Indian Air Force is quite natural, given the decent service life of the airframe and the possibility of replacing the engines with more modern ones.

However, the Indian Air Force later announced its intention to retire most of the MiG-2017 fleet by 27. The reason for this decision was the military’s assessment that almost half of the MiG-27 fleet will exhaust its service life by 2015 and simply will not be able to fly.

But work, despite such statements, did not stop. At the end of 2011, tests of the electronic warfare system for the MiG-27 were completed, and this system was planned for installation on the Indian MiG-29 and Tejas. The system proposed for the aircraft was Indian, but with obvious Russian roots.

The Bahadurs modernized in this way were planned to remain in service at least until 2020, and then - as practice will show, because in the Indian Air Force the MiG-27 was notable for its accident rate.

Well, we know the result.


On December 27, 2019, the 29th Squadron of the Indian Air Force "Scorpions" flew their MiG-27ML (UPG) for the last time over their airbase at Jhpura. The Indian Air Force's MiG-27 completed its service today after 35 years.

Almost simultaneously (actually a little earlier) with the MiG-21, which served India for 60 years. But this is perhaps a completely different story.


But the MiG-27, which could well still serve, for which a new engine had already been tested, for which a new electronic warfare system and a new set of avionics were ready, it was removed, and the removal began not yesterday, but in 2016.

Alas, the Indian side had a lot of complaints against their Russian colleagues. The big problem was that the Russian Air Force/VKS abandoned the use of the MiG-27 due to lack of funds back in 1993.

But after 20 years, problems began to arise. The Indian side generally had many complaints against the Russian side, namely in terms of the fact that Russian enterprises were unable to provide Indian partners with the proper range of spare parts and the proper quality. And yes, Indian aviation engineers had to cannibalize because spare parts and components stopped coming from Russia.

In the press of that time there were many complaints against Rosoboronexport in general and RSK MiG, OJSC LazerService, KOMZ named after Zverev and many other enterprises that simply could not provide proper aircraft maintenance.

It would seem - what, extra money? India paid for military equipment regularly, representatives of this country, just before Covid, very carefully toured all our factories (here is a photo from a visit to the Krasnogorsk OMZ), where they got acquainted with the entire range of products and made certain conclusions. There are no guillemots, no thermal imagers, no spare parts, and the ending is already known: after the MiG-27, the MiG-21 went into retirement, the MiG-29K is next, but the situation there is much more complicated.

Why did this happen, why did our factories with such a history of developments fail to cope with Indian orders - on the one hand, what difference does it make now, on the other - the question is what will happen next.

So to be continued.
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  1. +3
    29 November 2023 03: 57
    Following the logic of the Indians, the Russian military-industrial complex should work for them forever, preferably for nothing.
    1. -2
      29 November 2023 04: 32
      MiG-21, which served India for 60 years.
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      The Russian military-industrial complex must work for them forever

      But that doesn’t happen!
      1. +4
        30 November 2023 12: 50
        “In my opinion, this is the only fighter aircraft where an engine explosion is a standard aircraft emergency.”

        Indian MiG 27 crash.



        This seems to be not very standard; the pilot did not take advantage of the opportunity to eject, trying to stay in formation until the end. It’s sad, but I was unprepared for the situation.
        1. +2
          1 December 2023 22: 06
          Thanks to the author for an interesting article. Looking forward to the continuation
    2. +35
      29 November 2023 09: 02
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      Following the logic of the Indians, the Russian military-industrial complex should work for them forever, preferably for nothing.

      Not on them, but on yourself. It's reputation and money. Indians pay money for spare parts.
      1. +2
        30 November 2023 07: 48
        Both under the USSR and now, gypsies paid and continue to pay in countermarks for the concert of the ensemble "Pussy Dancers". It is impossible to buy anything with them, because Shiva strictly ordered them to sell their goods only for dollars, or at least pounds. This is the sacred cow pat that never dries out, into which we have been getting stuck for almost 50 years.
    3. +18
      29 November 2023 11: 25
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      Following the logic of the Indians, the Russian military-industrial complex should work for them forever, preferably for nothing.

      What a strange logic you have, irrational...
      Found from somewhere “for free”...
      Yes, the weapon manufacturer must develop modernization projects, improvements and all the like at his own expense, and it is he who must test all the improvements on his own.
      And it must do it well, so that the owner turns to the manufacturer for the next and next modernization package.


      Found somewhere to “work for them”...
      Not for them, but for yourself, for your team, for your future.
      Long-term relationships, you know...

      In your own words, just stupid populism
    4. man
      +2
      29 November 2023 22: 34
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      Following the logic of the Indians, the Russian military-industrial complex should work for them forever, preferably for nothing.

      Well, not entirely for nothing, for candy wrappers, like our oil workers
    5. 0
      30 November 2023 10: 27
      Following the logic of the Indians, the Russian military-industrial complex should work for them forever, preferably for nothing.

      Moreover, apparently the root of the problem is precisely in the word “work” and not in anything else.
    6. 0
      1 December 2023 19: 39
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      The military-industrial complex should work for them forever, preferably for nothing

      So if they pay for it, good, and not wooden...
      Only a fool would refuse to receive hard currency forever (even a semi-free currency like rubiy) hi
  2. +29
    29 November 2023 04: 28
    Another problem is that after the collapse of the USSR, people came to leadership who did not know how to complete things and maintain what was done to the end. This can be seen from the state of our aviation, both civil and military. They made a wonderful SU-57 fighter, but where are the air armies from them? Well, with the Superjet and MS-21, everyone knows what’s wrong with them. But the ostentation and PR are off the charts. Before the designer has time to put his signature on the drawings of the new aircraft, they are already describing how it flies and destroys the adversary, and how we will supply it to everyone who is not too lazy.
    There are still no normal service centers for the repair and maintenance of aircraft supplied abroad, for example the Superjet. The unfortunate engine on it cannot be made from Russian parts.
    If we supply aircraft to India and make money on it, then why not give one of the aircraft repair plants for service and repair of aircraft from India. Even if it is private. soldier
  3. -6
    29 November 2023 05: 28
    But take these devices back for next to nothing, install autopilots and turn them into V-4s. Flying unmanned fire ships, filled to capacity with hexogen.
    We will get very powerful air-to-surface homing munitions.
    1. +3
      29 November 2023 15: 18
      We were unable to ensure the flight condition of the spare parts in India for real money. Where would you get one for yourself??
    2. +3
      29 November 2023 15: 54
      Quote: U-58
      But take these devices back for next to nothing, install autopilots and turn them into V-4s.

      But I would like to take my own similar devices and install autopilots on them. But where are they, these devices?
  4. +12
    29 November 2023 06: 47
    And no one suggested that it was about establishing friendship with China. This circumstance affected aviation supplies to India. It is difficult to sit on two chairs. We chose Chinese. The Hindus were offended.
    1. Eug
      +7
      29 November 2023 07: 09
      Not only Indians - Vietnamese too. But so far to a lesser extent.
      1. +3
        30 November 2023 19: 05
        Algeria is next. There, too, they were seriously offended because of BRICS. And it will come back to haunt you.
    2. +1
      29 November 2023 09: 09
      Quote: tolian
      And no one suggested that it was about establishing friendship with China.

      Were China and China enemies before? Friendship with China does not affect our relations with India. And then, both India and China are BRICS countries. But arms supplies to Pakistan would affect relations with India. Therefore, our country made a choice in favor of India.
      1. +5
        29 November 2023 14: 05
        Well, until the 20th Congress we were friends, but then our feelings cooled. Remember the same Damansky.

        Membership in BRICS did not prevent them from starting a border conflict, which ended only in September 2022. They have banal territorial claims against each other, not to mention spheres of influence and economics.
        So friendship influences very strongly
      2. MSN
        +1
        29 November 2023 20: 31
        Until the collapse of the union, China was the most terrible enemy. Moreover, it was real, with whom they fought both directly and through satellites.
  5. Des
    +1
    29 November 2023 07: 18
    After such an article, the author should immediately contact the President of the Russian Federation). Directly. There is no other way.
  6. +16
    29 November 2023 07: 19
    Gentlemen, has a new residential complex near Moscow already been built? And what about attack aircraft, tanks and helicopters? Is the detective story over already?
    1. +7
      29 November 2023 18: 41
      Near Moscow, not near Moscow, but the plant area in Moscow has already been given over to the dismantling of the industrial zone and construction by human workers, along with “Prozhektor” and several other large enterprises. ZiL and Hammer and Sickle were just a warm-up)
  7. +30
    29 November 2023 07: 34
    "why our factories with such a history of developments could not cope with Indian orders"
    This question is the highlight of the entire article. You all know how many military schools Taburetkin closed. I spoke with the “teacher” of the Chelyabinsk Tank School. So he could not understand how to chop “the goose that lays the golden eggs.” This school trained tankers for almost all of Africa. They paid for their studies in foreign currency and there was no end to those interested. I will repeat: “In leadership positions there are people who really don’t understand what they need to do.” And these people cannot understand that no matter how much you steal, you won’t take anything with you. But they are not educated to think about the country and the people!
    1. +10
      29 November 2023 09: 10
      The most offensive thing is that they also continue to lead, they have been transferred to other key positions, it seems that the system is built to achieve a certain goal and they are moving towards it.
  8. +2
    29 November 2023 08: 20
    Quote: V.
    If we supply aircraft to India and make money on it, then why not give one of the aircraft repair plants for service and repair of aircraft from India.

    So how to distribute financial flows? with a “bowl” - one, the rest with a spoon...
    Quote: V.
    Even if it is private.

    They hadn’t figured it out yet, but when it (money) lies in your pockets it’s warmer than when you’re investing and worrying
  9. +8
    29 November 2023 08: 25
    a topical topic even today: a conversation about how our Rosoboronexport works, and whether it works at all!
    An exhibition just took place in Dubai and how did it end? how much money did it cost?
    Just don’t say that transactions love silence...
    Everything is fine in Dubai, we had a rest, we chatted, we brought our clothes... we wrote reports of victory...
    but I’m not writing about the MiG - here, at VO, it was buried long ago to the sounds of victorious reports from the Russian Defense Ministry
  10. +4
    29 November 2023 08: 40
    The article is informative, a pleasure to read, we look forward to the continuation...
  11. +5
    29 November 2023 09: 00
    . Why did this happen, why were our factories with such a history of developments unable to cope with Indian orders?

    It’s just that Soviet factories became Russian. And then the market decided.
  12. +7
    29 November 2023 09: 07
    Effective managers only sell, but cannot produce.
  13. +3
    29 November 2023 10: 03
    Instead of the GSh-23L cannon, they decided to install a ship monster, AO-18 from the AK-630 naval gun mount, following the example of the Americans (hello, “Warthog”!). The six-barreled 30mm machine gun required reinforcement of the airframe.

    As for me, for a large supersonic fighter-bomber the decision to install the GSh-6-30A is at least controversial even for those years. We had to strengthen the fuselage, and this is excess weight, which aviation has been struggling with since time immemorial. And even taking this into account, there were problems with the use of the gun.
    Due to the enormous power of the gun, there were restrictions on its use (firing with a full load of ammunition could lead to failures of electronic equipment, falling out of instrument panels, and explosions of landing and taxi headlights). Before departure for firing with a full load of ammunition, it was supposed to remove the PRF-4 landing and taxi lamps and headlights, and plug the holes with plugs.

    But this is not enough, it was also planned to install two additional guns in SPPU-22 or UPK-23-250 hanging containers with a 23-mm GSh-23 gun. I even wonder if the Indians used such a cannon version of the MiG-27 in combat conditions?
    Such a number of guns is too much even for an attack aircraft, especially taking into account the rate of fire of the GSh-6-30A.
    How was it possible to see the use of such a number of cannons - close combat weapons - from a single-engine unarmored supersonic fighter-bomber, given that at that time MANPADS in significant quantities had already appeared in the arsenal of many countries?
  14. +11
    29 November 2023 10: 25
    At one time, the MiG-27 was withdrawn from service with the Russian Air Force as “unnecessary” and obsolete! In fact, this is not so... the MiG-27 was abandoned after the collapse of the USSR as a result of the “disgusting” state of the post-Soviet economy in Russia! There are specialists respected in the aviation world who claim that the modernization potential of the MiG-27 has not been exhausted and there are opportunities for further improvement! As an example confirming this opinion, we can cite the MiG-27M No. 115! Work on it was carried out in 2007-08. in the “interests” of India... In addition to improvements in avionics, the 115th should be equipped with an engine from the Su-30! As a result, the MiG-27M No. 115 acquired the capability of supersonic cruising flight, which is a property of 5th generation aircraft! The combat capabilities of the MiG-27M increased by...something over 20%! But due to the peculiar mentality of the “Indian gypsies” everything “stopped”! This is how they ruined the wonderful MiG-27M attack aircraft, which is so lacking in the Northern Military District!
  15. +5
    29 November 2023 10: 43
    So I don’t understand, what does this have to do with houses in the Moscow region?
  16. +4
    29 November 2023 11: 19
    In general, the Indians abruptly refused to cooperate with Western suppliers and dances continued only with Russian partners.

    Here the author is either incompetent on the issue or is very disingenuous, because the Indians, having decided to carry out modernization on their own, “danced” with everyone who “gave the normal price.”
    Head-up display (HUD) and laser target designation system are Israeli, Elta. The navigation system is French, from Safran, and the glide path system, also French, from Thales.
  17. fiv
    +3
    29 November 2023 11: 29
    As in the late times of the USSR, reporting was put at the forefront. And paper, as you know, will endure anything. Then the bullshit comes up, and the nomenclature manager who made the mistake is moved to another place and there he starts the usual bullshit all over again. And it starts with reorganization and cost optimization - read, with cuts. Where do air armies and powerful fleets come from?
  18. +2
    29 November 2023 11: 59
    Russian enterprises were unable to provide Indian partners with the proper range of spare parts and proper quality

    Privatization and reforms of the 90s. Results.
  19. 0
    29 November 2023 12: 21
    In terms of design, I like the MiG23 ML(D)....And the MiG27 has the rear end of the M version.
  20. osp
    +3
    29 November 2023 13: 37
    “The Russian enterprise Fazotron-NIIR proposed to equip the Indian MiG-27ML with the Komar container radar, a lightweight version of the Spear radar, which was used in the modernization of the Indian MiG-21.”
    But this is not so.
    There was no containerized “Spear” for the MiG-21-93; the radar was installed where it was supposed to be in the nose.
    The container version of the Spear was developed for the Su-39 attack aircraft and was suspended under the fuselage on a central point.
    Although all these stations are very similar and unified.
  21. 0
    29 November 2023 14: 54
    All the same, it was necessary to keep the Mig-27s and modernize them, which would be indicative for the Indians.
  22. 0
    29 November 2023 15: 52
    many will be interested in what the relationship is between the Indian MiG-27 and the new residential complexes in the very near Moscow region - but there is one!

    The topic has not been disclosed.
  23. +3
    29 November 2023 17: 16
    One of the eternal problems of Russia - fools, in modern terms, can be described as low-skilled, highly motivated managers at all levels of management!
  24. 0
    1 December 2023 17: 14
    The history of military-technical cooperation between Russia and India is an epic; there are dozens, if not hundreds, of detectives there.
  25. 0
    4 December 2023 14: 34
    “Why did this happen, why did our factories with such a history of developments fail to cope with Indian orders...” Are you aware of what was happening in the defense industry in the “saints,” as one said, in the 90s?
  26. 0
    6 December 2023 08: 44
    The MiG-27, in principle, does not fit into the modern concept of a multi-role fighter. Therefore, from the point of view of armchair theorists, the costs of its modernization are not worth the candle. Whether this concept is actually any good is another question.
  27. 0
    6 December 2023 08: 45
    But the story of replacing the R-29 with the AL-31 is interesting. Moreover, on an airplane with an unregulated air intake. Then it would look even better on the MiG-23MLD. It’s generally strange - as far as I remember, it was not possible to painlessly replace the AL-24 with the AL-21 on the Su-31.