Babcock International v. Admiralty and further problems

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Babcock International v. Admiralty and further problems

In general, the program itself for the construction of Type 31 frigates began due to the fact that the promising Type 26 frigate was very expensive. And it was necessary to replace fifteen type 23 frigates. Significantly reduce the number of ships,
what happened with the destroyers, when instead of twelve Type 42s, they could only build six Type 45s, was unacceptable. No matter how good D-class destroyers are, they will not replace 12 units. The number of surface ships was reduced to a dangerous minimum.

Then they made a Solomonic decision: they decided to replace some of the frigates with cheaper ones, so that the total number of ships would be reduced, but not by much. Although even then the shipbuilders said that the ship was not much smaller in size, albeit with weaker weapons, and could not be half the price.



Babcock International's interest is clear: to conclude a contract, begin construction, and only then, so to speak, raise the price in the process. But why did you agree to this adventure? navy management is unclear.

In April this year, Babcock International initiated a DRP (Dispute Resolution Process) with the UK Ministry of Defense to determine responsibility for increased costs incurred on the Type 31 frigate program, with additional funds required up to £100 million ($125 million) USA).

“Without recovery of additional costs, the contract will be unprofitable and our preliminary assessment, subject to further development and audit, will require a one-off provision of between £50 million and £100 million to cover costs over the life of the contract,”

– Babcock representatives said in April of this year.

Now the second problem is gradually added to the first one.

Again, even at the preliminary design stage, shipbuilders said that for a ship with a displacement of almost 6 tons, the armament of 000 Sea Ceptor missiles was somehow not enough. Moreover, the firing range of 24 km is, at present, more short-range than medium-range. The appearance of a new missile defense system with a range of 25 km does not change the situation much.

Now there are many ASPs with a firing range of more than 40 km. Babcock International proposes to replace the Sea Ceptor with the American UVP Mk. 41, which allows you to significantly expand the combat capabilities of type 31 frigates.

But, firstly, this will significantly increase the cost of the ship, and secondly, it will lead to the abandonment of European weapons systems and the transition to American ones.

The hull of the first frigate type 31 "Venturer" is already almost formed, and it is unlikely that it will be possible to make changes. But the body of the second “Bulldog” so far consists only of bottom sections; any changes can be made.

As a result, the “Series 2” so beloved by the British may turn out, perhaps the number of ships in the Type 26 series will have to be reduced, since England’s financial capabilities are now far from brilliant. Not least because of the large expenses for Ukraine.

One can only guess what the final decision will be.

However, the problems don't end there. They continue in Australia.

At one time, evil tongues claimed that the order of Hunter-class frigates (modified Type 26) occurred not because it was the best in its class and optimal for Australia, but because there were behind-the-scenes agreements between London and Canberra. Now, as the Hunter frigate program becomes more expensive and shifts further to the right, more questions and problems arise.

The cost of the program has already exceeded 45 billion Australian dollars, although it was originally estimated at 35 billion. According to initial plans, the first Hunter was supposed to enter service in 2027, now 2032 is indicated, unless any other force majeure occurs . And this despite the fact that the Italian-French ships of the Fremm type or the F-100 of the Spanish Navantia were much more consistent with the requirements of the Australian Navy. In the fall of 2022, the Spanish Navantia offered Canberra to purchase additional Hobart-class destroyers (the company delivered three such ships to the Australian fleet between 2017 and 2020).

With production technology mature, Navantia is poised to build three more destroyers before the end of the 2020s, in an anti-submarine version, which could solve Canberra's problems maintaining naval combat readiness while production of Hunter-class frigates is delayed.

But politics intervened again.

After the conclusion of the AUCUS agreement, mainly on the MAPL, which will significantly increase (in the long term) the anti-submarine capabilities of the Australian Navy, surface ships were required, designed to launch missile attacks on sea and ground targets; the ASW capabilities for them are secondary, only as self-defense. The Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) has called for the Hunter order to be reduced to six ships as current plans will lead to an "unbalanced" fleet focused on anti-submarine warfare...

In addition to the Hobart class, the remaining ships should be replaced by multi-mission frigates or destroyers with greater missile power to meet strike force projection requirements.” Moreover, the Hunter program is delayed not only by political and economic difficulties, but also by technical ones.

Delays in the start of construction of the Hunters are mainly due to the additional weight of the Ceafar-2 modular active phase array radar system. The Australian-designed Ceafar, significantly superior to the Artisan RN Type 26, was chosen as the RAN wants to enhance air defense capabilities for its main ships. An additional 18 month delay in steel cutting was agreed by all parties in 2021 due to COVID and the complexity of changes to the RAN, including the radar and combat system.

To solve the problem of maximum weight, the beam of the hull will be increased by 0,6 m compared to the Type 26 design. But even small changes in the size of the ship require a significant recalculation of the original design.

On the one hand, such a delay is undoubtedly beneficial for the industry, giving Osborne shipyard more time to develop, work on prototypes and build up the skills of its workforce, which should lead to more efficient construction in the long term. BAES is confident that the program is on track, with the first three Hunters under contract and likely to be delivered as planned.

However, if England, on its Type 26 and Type 31, and Canada, on its promising destroyers, switch to the American Aegis air defense system, then the expensive development of a new promising radar system, Ceafar-2, becomes economically unprofitable. To equip 3–6 ships, it is much easier and cheaper to purchase existing systems, the same American ones.

Overall, the tangle is becoming more and more tangled. Problems of a political and economic nature overlap with technical ones and vice versa.
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  1. -4
    28 November 2023 06: 18
    Everything as usual. People of light see the light at the end of the tunnel. But they themselves are not in the tunnel. And in sinless heavens.
    How is the world going?
  2. +1
    28 November 2023 07: 29
    Nicholas hi You can watch the confrontation between the English Parliament and the Admiralty forever. Parliamentarians better understand what admirals need, I don’t understand why the Parliament doesn’t like it so much. Maybe the sailors have a beautiful uniform!
    1. +1
      28 November 2023 13: 36
      Good day, Andrey. Well, it's not just the Britons. In America and Australia, politicians also believe that they have a better understanding of issues of fleet development)))
  3. +6
    28 November 2023 10: 46
    You read for educational purposes how they write and think, what about ours? Who makes the decision on the number of ships, which ones, with what weapons, who controls the costs, construction time. Does our parliament have anything to do with this, does it sign the construction program? Is the Accounts Chamber inspecting the construction of the fleet? Or shipbuilding, the Navy is stewing in its own juice, and the money is being spent by private banks and oligarchs, judging by the timing of construction. bully
  4. +3
    28 November 2023 11: 08
    Now there are many ASPs with a firing range of more than 40 km. Babcock International proposes to replace the Sea Ceptor with the American UVP Mk. 41, which allows you to significantly expand the combat capabilities of type 31 frigates.

    The author does not have the information and takes advantage of readers with his fantasies.
    The possibility of using the MK 41 (VLS) by Babcock International in the standard Arrowhead 140 project, which is the basis of the Inspiration class frigates, was initially provided for.
    But, firstly, this will significantly increase the cost of the ship, and secondly, it will lead to the abandonment of European weapons systems and the transition to American ones.

    There is no need to switch to any “American systems”. There is an Extensible Launching System (ExLS), which allows you to combine missiles from different manufacturers with the MK 41 (VLS), including the British Sea Ceptor Common Anti Air Modular Missile.

    1. -2
      28 November 2023 13: 34
      Apparently you didn't read carefully. Yes, it is possible to install Mk. 41 is available, although the middle part of the ship will have to be redesigned, but the first type 31 is built with the Sea Septor because it is cheaper. What will happen on the second building - cheaper or better? we'll see. Is the Sea Septor system American?)))
      1. +2
        28 November 2023 14: 55
        Apparently you didn't read carefully.

        You, as usual, wrote this inattentively. Until you learn to write objectively, and not with the goal of crap about something, only informational litter will come out of your pen. Before writing, I should have read about what the Arrowhead 140 Multi-Role Naval Platform is, on the basis of which the Inspiration class frigate project was created. Then you would be surprised to learn that the project initially provides for the possibility of installing Mushroom Farm, Sylver Vertical Launching System or Mk41 launchers, depending on the wishes of the customer. Therefore, no redesign is required. Everything is already “designed”.
        Is the Sea Septor system American?)))

        Is this what you are asking yourself?
        1. -1
          28 November 2023 19: 38
          There is a very long distance between a possible and a finished project))) because the dimensions, weight, additional equipment for servicing the control unit are completely different. That is why it is said that installation is possible, but redevelopment is required. If everything were so simple, then the “Venturer” could have been made with the Mk. 41. Just as everything was simple when they said that we would meet “250 million ft. st.,” but now it turns out that we won’t meet it)))
          1. 0
            28 November 2023 23: 06
            There is a very long distance between a possible and a finished project))) because the dimensions, weight, additional equipment for servicing the control unit are completely different. That is why it is said that installation is possible, but redevelopment is required.

            No redevelopment is required. Replacing the Sea Ceptor VLS with a Mk 41 or Sylver VLS is provided for by the project and the corresponding volumes in the hull are reserved for this.
            https://www.navylookout.com/in-focus-the-arrowhead-140-type-31e-frigate-candidate/
            1. +2
              29 November 2023 13: 19
              Have you ever been on a ship? There are almost always free spaces in the case. If the designers don't make the layout too "dense". But they try to avoid such situations. But the placement of specific weapons, service units, cable routing, etc. - this is a little different. PU Mk. 41 and Sea Septor - the same in weight and size? Do they have all the auxiliary equipment, seats, and all connectors placed in the same way? So it will have to be redone. If the difference in weight is significant, it means that the stability, the rolling period and much more are changing. So, all this looks beautiful on advertising brochures, but in life there are a lot of problems)))
  5. +1
    28 November 2023 17: 12
    Ships are becoming more expensive all the time due to the rising cost of electronics; without them, a modern ship cannot survive.
    So they are trying to optimize, combine more expensive frigates with cheaper ones, like the French with Lafayettes and FREMMs. There are many tasks for which there is no need to go to great lengths to both build and operate a ship. True, versatility suffers. Finding a compromise is not an easy task.
    Even the rich Americans, who placed their bets on Arleigh Burkey, swerved towards littoral ships and have now come to the frigate Constellation based on the same FREMM (although there are questions about some of its decisions).
    In principle, an inexpensive Singaporean Formideable based on the French Lafayette would be nice, in fact an excellent full-fledged frigate in the hull of a large corvette, but it is only suitable as a regional one; for England and France it is of limited suitability, the hull is too small, and they need ships in the far sea zone (although The French made a few for themselves). In general, the current trend is to increase displacement and seaworthiness.
    1. +1
      28 November 2023 19: 42
      Versatility is good up to a certain point, but then it turns out that such a ship is bad from all sides. Attempts to create an inexpensive ship occurred even before WWII. Just how to guess how the war will turn out and what to do with inexpensive ships?
      1. +1
        29 November 2023 01: 23
        Versatility is good up to a certain point, but then it turns out that such a ship is bad from all sides.

        Yes, you can talk for hours about how bad the universal Arleigh Burke is. :))
        But there are many tasks for which you don’t need to drive expensive universal ships and kill their resources.
        1. 0
          29 November 2023 18: 36
          "Bjork" is not bad at all, but for some events it is redundant. But its motor life is by no means endless. “Bjerka” should have been written off this year, and four more next year. But they all had their service life extended until 2026. And these are additional costs for repairs and maintenance. And then the movement will continue to increase. "Tiki" and littoral trees are also written off, and so on. And "Constellation", even when it will be available, it won't be cheap at all)))
  6. +2
    28 November 2023 17: 44
    In general, all this is sad. Compare Kaptsov’s article and especially its discussion at VO just two years ago. :((
    https://topwar.ru/184104-tabletki-ot-zhadnosti-fregat-constellation-i-jesminec-arleigh-burke.html