Once again to the question of the lever on the Mannlicher M1896 pistol.

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Once again to the question of the lever on the Mannlicher M1896 pistol.
This is what Mannlicher’s “Austrian Mauser” is like. And indeed it is similar. Left view. Photo by Rock Island Auction Company


“Many hands make everything better.”
Old English saying

stories about weapons. Quite recently, our website published a material dedicated to Austrian automatic pistols, and it mentioned a pistol of the 1896 model that turned out to be unsuccessful and did not gain popularity, which many called the “Austrian Mauser” for its characteristic shape. And there was one detail in it, namely the lever on the right, which caused lively debate in the comments to this article, which in the end was never fully resolved, to everyone’s satisfaction.



However, before moving on to resolving them, one cannot help but remember how people generally find out about something. Someone, without reading a single book, learns everything from his practical work and sooner or later begins to understand it perfectly. Some people read first, and then check and deepen what they read with practice. Well, for a number of reasons, some are forced to be content with only what they read in books. And here the question arises about the competence of their authors. And if they are considered by everyone to be so, then... why not believe what they wrote. Of course, anyone can make a mistake, but when, say, a person who has used primary sources writes about a subject, then the likelihood of errors is reduced to zero.

But here another problem arises: the language barrier. Someone speaks fluent English or French, but the special terminology is unknown to him. And someone doesn’t know how to ask a merchant for change, but can easily read a lecture on, say, the same armor and weapons of the Middle Ages in English. (Although I personally know about change - V.O.). But it’s not always possible to get good books “from there.” 40-50 dollars for a book plus shipping is not enough money to cover the salary of an assistant professor at a regional Russian university, and it is not always posted on the Internet. Well, as for the Internet, this is a double-edged sword - everything is true and everything is fiction there at the same time, and you need to distinguish one from the other... by reading books, but you don’t have the necessary books at hand. A vicious circle arises from which it is difficult to get out. And if a person also works, has a family and children, then he has no time to do all this. And he uses what is closest to him. In particular, these are materials from the VO website.

It is also clear that we, its authors, are also hostages of the source base. For example, at the request of the publisher, I, for example, can come to Moscow and, having gained access to the weapons storage room of the Museum of the Russian Army, shoot there whatever my heart desires. But for a fee, of course, from 2 to 6 thousand rubles per sample. And what publisher today would pay a lot of money for a large number of such photographs? And there are weapons museums at military schools. But... taking photographs there, as I was warned in one of them, is only possible with a camera registered there. And the same goes for mobile phones. So, only those who work there can take advantage of everything that is there, and most often they cannot (they simply do not know how to write popularly - V.O.) or do not want to, because they already have enough of everything. And this again narrows our information space in which we, the authors of VO, work for our readers.

And if, for example, the Belgian arms collector Alain Daubresse and the American company Rock Island Auctions had not given me permission to use their photographic materials, then what a huge number of interesting materials we would all have lost, right? And the same applies to the notorious “Mannlicher” of 1896...


"Mannlicher" M1896. Right view. This ill-fated lever is very clearly visible, which is really extremely difficult to use with the right hand. Photo by Rock Island Auction Company

But, fortunately, one of the VO readers managed to send me one very interesting book, published abroad immediately after the end of World War II. Here is the preface to it...

“When this book was written in the summer of 1946, all of von Mannlicher’s fears about the future of his country ironically came true: his beloved Austria ceased to be an independent state. The Austrian Steyr plant, the main producer of all von Mannlicher's weapons, as well as the Haenel plant and the lesser-known German plants in Suhl, which also produced his weapons, are all under foreign control. The Iron Curtain, which covers everything related to military policy, also covers all aspects of Austrian weapons; and what the future holds for its production, no one can say. This book is based on records from the Steyr Armory from Austria before the Russian occupation. The illustrations are official and based on the famous drawings of Konrad von Cromar. They were made with the assistance of von Mannlicher directly from weapons designed and manufactured by him and exhibited at the World Exhibition in Paris in 1900. In all likelihood, a student or researcher in the field of firearms will never again be able to collect such complete information about the world-famous creations of the genius of von Mannlicher, such as those collected in this book.”

(“Mannlicher rifles and pistols” Original Drawings by Von Kromar. From the Steyr Armory. Famous Sporting and Military Weapons. Walter HB Smith).

The book is really very complete, detailed and interesting, and most importantly, it is written in good literary English, which can be read and translated into Russian without much difficulty. So today we will get acquainted with the technical characteristics of the M1896 based on translations from this book, which everyone can repeat from the pages given here on their own.

So…

This interesting pistol design is often erroneously referred to as the "Manlicher Model 1903" as this is the year it was introduced to the European gun market. Many authors of books on weapons subsequently wrote that Mannlicher borrowed a lot from the Mauser pistol of 1896. But it is clear that Mannlicher did not copy his German competitor. His model used a special cartridge, but when the pistol was mass-produced in 1903, it was adapted to a modified form of the 7,63 mm Mauser cartridge with a lightweight charge. The locking system used is not as reliable as the Mauser and is not designed for heavy loads. Although later models of this pistol use the 7,63 mm Mauser cartridge, owners are advised not to use it with a full powder load due to the risk of damaging the rear of the receiver, which usually occurs due to the heavy recoil of the bolt. This is a “short recoil” weapon in which the bolt is completely locked at the moment of firing. The barrel and bolt are firmly locked at the moment of firing and there is strong pressure on the bolt. Then they move backwards, the barrel reaches a stop, and its backward movement stops. The bolt disengages from the barrel and moves only back to extract and eject the spent cartridge case. The box magazine, located in front of the trigger guard, is loaded through the top of the bolt from an insert clip. Although the Mannlicher resembles the Mauser in some general respects, its mechanics are radically different. In particular, the barrel is screwed into the receiver, which houses the bolt. A separate unit in this pistol is also the magazine housing, which also houses the trigger guard. The very light bolt has a ridge at the top that allows it to be pulled back for cocking. The original model's magazine holds 7 rounds. (Some variants of the later commercial model had detachable magazines.)


This place on this page is highlighted in bold!

And now we read the most interesting:

“The side lever above the trigger is a cocking device attached to the hammer located inside the receiver. Pressing this lever, directed backwards, cocks the hammer (that’s why it’s inconvenient to use - V.O.). The lever moves during automatic operation. The small finger protruding from the rear of the receiver is a manual safety."

There is a hammer in the bolt, which is hit by the trigger, connected to a lever on the right side of the pistol body.

“The hammer on this lever is actually hidden inside the gun, but there is an external hammer on the right side that allows it to be cocked if it misfires. This cocking lever moves back and forth when the pistol is fired and is somewhat confusing when using the right hand. When this cocking lever is in a horizontal position on the right side of the pistol, it means it is cocked... Thus, it also serves as a cocking indicator.”


Well, this figure shows everything so clearly that there is no point in explaining it. Lever with trigger - part No. 9

To load, the bolt is pulled back behind the handle located on it with a slot for aiming. The magazine platform is raised by the magazine spring, causing the latch to hold the bolt open. Then the clip with cartridges is inserted into the clip guide, and the cartridges are sent into the magazine by pressing from above. When the clip is pulled out, the bolt is released and moved forward by the compressed recoil spring, moving the top cartridge into the chamber. When the trigger is pulled, the mainspring forces the hammer to strike the firing pin.

Well, then you don’t have to translate or read, except perhaps that the barrel in this pistol is locked by skewing the bolt in the vertical plane.


And finally, the last diagram from this book. The lever, the trigger, and even the firing pin on which it needs to be hit are very clearly visible. Well, the design of the magazine and cartridge clip is also well shown...

Well, the main thing that we managed to find out is that this pistol has both a trigger and a lever on the right that controls it. Actually, I wrote about this in the previous article, but I did not have a link to such an impressive source of quality... However, as we have also already found out, it is almost impossible to sort out all sources of information today.
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  1. +1
    2 December 2023 06: 38
    I missed the author's previous article. Therefore, I did not have to write my comment about the Mannlicher M96. At one time I often turned to A.B. Zhuk "Revolvers and Pistols", in which you could get information about revolvers and pistols with full performance characteristics that were produced and in service in the world. So, regarding the lever on the right, it is written that “the trigger is hidden inside and for cocking it there is a lever on the body on the right.” What I mean is that there was no need to even look for information about this pistol in foreign publications. Thanks to the author for the article. I always take interest in articles about small arms.
    1. +2
      2 December 2023 07: 07
      [quote=rotmistr60]So, regarding the lever on the right, it is written that “the trigger is hidden inside and for cocking it there is a lever on the body on the right”.I write all the time about the troubles of incomplete knowledge. There was no beetle at hand, that’s the point.
      1. +2
        2 December 2023 07: 31
        As I understand it, you are A.B. You don’t consider Zhuk an authority on the history of small arms (three books illustrated with excellent drawings), hence the irony. But that's your right.
        1. 0
          2 December 2023 08: 35
          Quote: rotmistr60
          hence the irony.

          Where's the irony? I just don't have this book. Three illustrated books are great. But they don't have much. That's all.
          1. 0
            4 December 2023 12: 05
            It is difficult to consider a beetle as a useful source. This is an album of drawings, nothing more. He copied from wherever he could, and not from real samples. That's why there are some mistakes. And the design of the pistol... is enchanting. Huge recoil shoulder, moving lever...
      2. +2
        5 December 2023 11: 59
        The dispute arose out of the blue)) In the very first article they posted a video where it is clearly visible that this lever is on the same axis with the hidden trigger and serves to cock it. )) Sometimes people are simply not attentive.
  2. +1
    2 December 2023 06: 43
    Vyacheslav Olegovich good morning! We are all hostages of our “cockroaches” and cliches that stem from our experience, knowledge and competencies.
    The functional task of the “bolt stop” is to hold the bolt in the rearmost position until the cartridges in the magazine are used up. I quote the definition from memory from the manual on the “Makarov Pistol”.
    Question about the hero of the article “Mannlicher”. As far as I understand, when the ammunition was used up, its bolt and barrel returned to the extreme forward position and before loading it was necessary to move the bolt to the extreme rear position by means of a protrusion from the top. Now the question itself was, was it held open manually or by some kind of latch? did it return to the forward position on its own or after pressing some functional part?
    Sincerely, good day to all!
    1. -1
      2 December 2023 07: 10
      Dear Vladislav! I won't answer this question. The article was written a long time ago. Immediately after the release of the previous one. Now I have forgotten everything about her. I will have to look for and read everything again. And I have a very busy work schedule. Check out Fordotten weapons. The work of its parts is well shown there.
    2. +4
      2 December 2023 07: 57
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Now the question itself was, was it held open manually or by some kind of latch?



      Watch from a minute 7:20...
      1. +3
        2 December 2023 09: 51
        Thank you! I looked and found the answer to only one question. The shutter automatically remains in the rearmost position. How he gets the first cartridge into the chamber is not clear. It seems (I could be wrong) that it is held in this position by the left part of the inner jacket, which is connected to the notorious lever. In this type, the cocking lever additionally serves as a bolt stop.
        1. +4
          2 December 2023 13: 08
          The shutter automatically remains in the rearmost position. How he gets the first cartridge into the chamber is not clear. It seems (I could be wrong) that it is held in this position by the left part of the inner jacket, which is connected to the notorious lever. In this type, the cocking lever additionally serves as a bolt stop.

          The instructions for the gun say
          Sobald die letzte im Magazin vorhandene Patrone verschossen
          ist, tritt der von einer Zickzackfeder bethätigte Zubringer nach oben
          aus dem Magazin heraus und in die Verschlussbahn hinein. Der
          dadurch in sein er geöffn eten Stellung ist.

          In short, it is written that after the last cartridge is used up, the bolt remains open and is held in this position by the magazine feeder.
          The further procedure is described in the book that the author talks about.
          To equip the magazine, the clip with cartridges is inserted into the guide grooves of the receiver and the corresponding grooves on the bolt, after which the bolt is held in the open position by the clip. The cartridges are moved into the magazine, the clip is removed, the bolt moves forward under the influence of the return spring, feeding the cartridge from the magazine into the chamber. After which the pistol is ready to fire.
          The last illustration in the article clearly shows this point.
          1. +3
            2 December 2023 13: 34
            Thanks Victor Nikolaevich! hi
            I wonder what if you charge without clips. It turns out that there is only one cartridge each? By the way, the latest models had attached stores. I wonder what's going on with them?
            Personal opinion: the pistol is beautiful, but structurally it is not ergonomic (too complicated). However, there is no point in criticizing a product that has a long tail.
            On issues of technical literacy of authors and commentators. Under one of Mokhov’s works, the comrade wrote a cry from the heart “eat what they give you.” Sad, but in some cases reality.
            My respects Victor!
            1. +2
              2 December 2023 18: 07
              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

              I wonder what if you charge without clips. It turns out that there is only one cartridge each?

              From what was said in the article, it turns out that it will not be possible to load one cartridge at a time, because the bolt is first restrained by the feed platform and then by the inserted clip.
              The pistol does look more elegant than the Mauser, but the lever takes away some of that charm. It is possible that the lever migrated from the carbine version, where it looks quite ergonomic, since the weapon is held with two hands.
            2. +2
              4 December 2023 12: 08
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              , and if you charge without clips. It turns out that

              Like the Mauser S-96, without a clip it is loaded with three hands - holding the pistol, holding the bolt, putting the cartridges in. Cavalrymen and (according to rumors) experienced strippers could hold the pistol with their knees and load alone, without the help of a comrade..
  3. +1
    2 December 2023 07: 14
    received from Austria before the Russian occupation.
    Russia occupied Austria, but life was good under the Anschluss?
    1. +3
      2 December 2023 07: 18
      Quote: Andrey Moskvin
      received from Austria before the Russian occupation.
      Russia occupied Austria, but life was good under the Anschluss?

      So it is in the text. This is an excerpt from the book. I didn't change anything. This is their way of looking at things...
      1. 0
        2 December 2023 08: 23
        So it is in the text. This is an excerpt from the book. I didn't change anything. This is their way of looking at things...
        It was worth writing about this directly in the article, and not in replies to comments.
        1. +3
          2 December 2023 08: 30
          There the text is given in quotation marks... And it is written that it was taken from the preface. Usually this is enough for literate people. You don’t even know what to cling to...
          1. 0
            2 December 2023 10: 41
            You don’t even know what to cling to...
            But how can I, an 80% illiterate person, grasp the style of presentation of the 20% chosen, according to Pareto. The style of the article is standard, casual.
            1. 0
              2 December 2023 11: 12
              Quote: Aviator_
              You don’t even know what to cling to...
              But how can I, an 80% illiterate person, grasp the style of presentation of the 20% chosen, according to Pareto. The style of the article is standard, casual.

              Why make fun of me? Andrey, no one counts you among the 80%. But to cling even where there is nothing to cling to, just a bit of intelligence is needed. It’s just in vain that you waste it on such stupid tricks.
              1. +2
                2 December 2023 19: 25
                Andrey, no one counts you among the 80%
                Sergey.
                1. +1
                  2 December 2023 21: 13
                  I'm not very attentive, Anton. Alas!
    2. +6
      2 December 2023 07: 42
      Quote: Andrey Moskvin
      Russia occupied Austria

      I read an article in a German magazine about the anniversary of unification with the GDR, so there is the word an occupation flashed through the sentence. This is exactly how they imagine it...
      1. +2
        2 December 2023 09: 23
        It would be nice if there was a Soviet occupation, otherwise the text says it’s Russian. At 46?
        1. 0
          2 December 2023 11: 13
          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          It would be nice if there was a Soviet occupation, otherwise the text says it’s Russian. At 46?

          It was written as it was in the text. That's why it's interesting!

          1. +1
            2 December 2023 11: 23
            "This book is written from records of the Steyr Armory which came out of Austria before the Russian occupation. The illustrations are official, being based on the famous drawings of Konrad Von Kromar."
            Here is the original text from the book used. What other translation is possible here? And what other explanations are needed if the text is highlighted in a different font, placed in quotes and indicated where it was taken from?
            1. 0
              2 December 2023 23: 55
              “What other translation is possible here?” - In Soviet times, it would have been more likely translated as “Russian occupation.” A stable expression in translations of our opponents’ statements from English was “Soviet Russia” or “Russians”.
              No wonder the story is that US Secretary of Defense James Vincent Forrestal jumped out of the window of a military hospital shouting: “The Russians are coming!” I remember that way - “Russians”, not “Russia” or “Russians”. True, there is no confirmation of these words, only that he committed suicide.
              Sometimes one word greatly changes the tone of what is written. But this is true, just thinking out loud. Saturday evening...
              1. 0
                3 December 2023 08: 16
                Quote: balabol
                Sometimes one word greatly changes the tone of what is written.

                Right. But now we say Russian, not Russian. We put the state in first place, not the national.
        2. +1
          2 December 2023 21: 08
          It would be nice if there was a Soviet occupation, otherwise the text says it’s Russian. At 46?
          The Germans and Austrians in those days very often called the USSR Russia. The power of habit, so to speak.
    3. +1
      3 December 2023 01: 17
      What does Anschluss have to do with it anyway? According to the agreement, the territories of the defeated countries were occupied by the troops of the victorious countries with the division of these territories. Common military term (occupation). In any case, this is a negative moment for the population of these territories, but it happens that they deserve it. But with countries that were occupied by Germany and then liberated, it’s also not easy, since after the liberation of, say, Poland, Soviet troops did not leave, but remained. What to call it is a question. But the fact that they were needed there is beyond doubt for me.
      1. 0
        3 December 2023 08: 17
        Quote from shikin
        Let's say, for example, Poland, Soviet troops did not leave, but remained. What to call it is a question. But the fact that they were needed there is beyond doubt for me.

        Paradoxes of history!
  4. +2
    2 December 2023 08: 36
    Oooh the sacred lever is back in trends laughing Let's read... this is the case when comments are more interesting to read good
  5. +6
    2 December 2023 13: 19
    Dear author,
    If we talk about a pistol, then we cannot fail to mention the Mannlicher Model 1896/01 carbine. There were many varieties of it.




    1. +5
      2 December 2023 13: 26
      The idea was developed in the Touro C1904 carbine chambered for 9x26 mm. The Taurus company designed it after the death of Ferdinand Mannlicher, after the sale of the patent by his wife
      .
  6. +5
    2 December 2023 13: 38
    And, correctly clarified, the Mannlicher-Schoenauer Model 1903 is a different model - a rifle with a traditional rotary-sliding bolt.
    The hunting version had a characteristically curved reloading handle.

    Can't be confused with anything else.
  7. +1
    2 December 2023 13: 45
    This trigger on the side was made to break the fingers of those who are inattentive? If you have the wrong grip, the chance of getting your fingers hit is huge! Vyacheslav, hi thank you as always! hi
  8. +1
    2 December 2023 19: 23
    The difficulties in handling the lever - the continuation of the trigger - are understandable. There are such. But not fatal. The skill can be practiced. Much like the C96 grip - to avoid getting hit by the trigger on the second phalanx of the thumb or between the index and thumb with a high grip - the beavertail had not yet been invented.
  9. +1
    2 December 2023 19: 29
    It seems to me that chambering the cartridge is more critical. It's ok for a sporting pistol. At the shooting range, a small overhang operation is doable. Although not without comments. And in winter? No gloves. What if your fingers are bleeding and the friction isn’t great?
    1. 0
      2 December 2023 21: 13
      What if your fingers are bleeding and the friction isn’t great?
      If your fingers are bloody and there is not enough friction, you will not cock the bolt on any pistol with a movable frame. Here only revolvers work, or pistols with self-cocking capabilities.
  10. +1
    3 December 2023 00: 56
    Thank you again, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  11. 0
    3 December 2023 11: 04
    Quote: Ua3qhp
    What if your fingers are bleeding and the friction isn’t great?
    If your fingers are bloody and there is not enough friction, you will not cock the bolt on any pistol with a movable frame. Here only revolvers work, or pistols with self-cocking capabilities.

    Yes exactly.
    On modern models of pistols, the designers’ imagination extends only to the type of notch (smaller/larger) on the frame and the “revolutionary” duplication of the notch on the front of the frame. Self-cocking will not always help in battle; misfires and misalignment of the cartridge have not been canceled - you won’t be able to cope with this without a second hand.
    But there are also exceptions. The Ruger Mark family does not count - after all, it is primarily for sport, and the caliber is not military - but it is still worth noting the ability to cock with any two fingers. But the HK VP9/SFP9 is a pistol for a full-fledged 9x19 Para. Not offered for picky military personnel. Positioned as a police officer. It can also be cocked with two fingers thanks to its removable cheeks. If desired, their size can be varied or completely removed if the weapon is needed for concealed carry.

    At the end of the 19th century - the beginning of the 20th century, the Browning factor did not yet dominate. Among self-loading pistols with convenient cocking of the bolt, we can recall the Mauser C96, Roth-Steyr M1907 / Roth-Krnka M.7 and a whole series of others. The Borchardt C93 stands out separately - the shutter is retracted with one finger, as later became common on PP twenty years later.
  12. 0
    4 December 2023 09: 19
    Many thanks to the Author for these clarifications. Now (again :) ) it has become clearer.
  13. 0
    2 January 2024 11: 56
    Low bow to the author! How much do you need to love the thing you write about in order to immerse yourself in it like that!
  14. 0
    6 March 2024 20: 16
    It seems the cartridges were expensive, and there were a lot of misfires, which is why they introduced an additional cocking lever. So as not to throw away a misfired cartridge. Savings, however.