British Challenger 3: the tank should be good, but there are big problems with the hulls

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British Challenger 3: the tank should be good, but there are big problems with the hulls

It's no secret that the British military is seriously intent on reforming its armored units. True, primarily due to their reduction - instead of three tank There will be two regiments, and the number of Challenger 2 tanks in the army will be reduced from 227 to 148 units. But they plan to compensate for the loss in numbers with quality: all 148 vehicles will be upgraded to the Challenger 3 standard, and their first deliveries to the troops will begin in 2025.

According to the plans, modification of the tank should significantly increase its combat effectiveness, of which there is no doubt - we will also talk about this. However, manufacturers have already begun to encounter problems with enclosures for this project.




The car will be given a second life


The British can hardly be accused of excessive waste, but they planned a very large budget for modernizing their Challenger 2 - just over $5 million for each car. The approach is clear: the production of tanks from scratch was curtailed a long time ago and, if resumed, would require gigantic financial investments, so it would be useful to keep the existing tank fleet afloat. Therefore, they decided to go wild, as they say, for all the money, the development of which was entrusted to Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land.

Hidden from prying eyes Challenger 3 prototype turret
Hidden from prying eyes Challenger 3 prototype turret

First of all, it is worth noting that the tank will receive a completely new three-seat welded turret with reinforced armor, an insulated aft compartment for ammunition and a design adapted for the installation of the Israeli Trophy active protection complex. And instead of the rather outdated 120-mm rifled classic cannon, it will house a German L55A1 smoothbore gun of similar caliber - the same one found in the new Leopards 2.

Test bench with L55A1 gun for the Challenger 3 tank
Test bench with L55A1 gun for the Challenger 3 tank

By the way, tanks from Foggy Albion needed a new artillery system even more than other changes. The fact is that new ammunition for the old gun has not been developed and put into production for a long time - the last serial sub-caliber projectile for it (for the British army) was over twenty years old, not to mention the others. At the same time, the purchase of more recent copies somewhere on the side is limited by a rifled barrel, based on which the “smooth-bore” opens up the greatest opportunities for purchasing complete shots in advanced countries such as Germany and the USA.

The new gun will be aimed at the target by a new fire control system (FCS), borrowed from the Ajax combat vehicles, which, together with the Challenger 3, will enter service in the British army. It includes a multi-channel gunner's sight with a new generation thermal imager and a new panoramic sight-observation device for the commander, in tandem providing a more or less full-fledged "hunter-gunner" operating mode, when the commander (hunter) identifies the enemy and transmits target designation to the gunner (gunner) who is striking target.


A rather awkward attempt to install the KAZ Trophy, but it will be included in the list of required attributes for Challenger 3
A rather awkward attempt to install the KAZ Trophy, but it will be included in the list of required attributes for Challenger 3

They plan to synchronize with the fire control system a circular detection complex consisting of cameras in all projections of the tank. As well as a sensor system for identifying laser irradiation, which provides information about where the enemy is aiming at the vehicle from - the detectors recognize radiation from tank rangefinders, laser missile guidance channels and target designators of adjustable projectiles.

There will be, in addition to a ballistic computer, which automatically generates the necessary corrections for shooting, and a target tracking machine that independently holds the aiming mark on an enemy object. However, perhaps most of all, gunners will be pleased that the thermal imaging sight will receive independent stabilization. Let us remember that on Challengers 2 it was installed on the gun mantlet, so when it was raised for long-distance shooting, one could only see the endless sky through it.


From other electronics, the vehicle will receive new means of communication, driver observation devices with thermal imagers, equipment for integration into a unified automated troop control network, as well as an open architecture that allows the implementation of one or another electronic component (including sights, etc.) without radical alteration and modernization of related components. Essentially: an analogue of a computer Plug and Play - “plug it in and use it,” which greatly facilitates future modernization.

They want to improve the mobility of the 66-ton tank as part of the HAAIP program, which, strictly speaking, applied not only to the Challenger, but also to engineering vehicles based on it. It includes modification of the engine with boosting its power to 1 horsepower, an improved cooling system, 500rd generation hydropneumatic suspension, a new engine cold start system and an updated transmission.


Running in the new transmission on the Challenger 2 Megatron with CRARRV in tow
Running in the new transmission on the Challenger 2 Megatron with CRARRV in tow

Although there are nuances here.

The new transmission in the prototype is already ready and is being tested, in particular on the heavy Challenger 2 Megatron, together with the CRARRV ARV in tow. But whether a boosted engine will appear on Challenger 3 is still a question. According to plans, the increase in power should occur through the introduction of a new common rail injection system, but, according to expert from Janes magazine John Hawkes, whether it will ultimately be implemented is not yet clear. Largely due to increased cooling requirements for an already loaded unit.

Nevertheless, we can say that the tank modernization project is quite worthy and will extend the life of the British old man.

But where can we go without problems?

Where is the building, Zin?


Based on the fact that Challenger 3 is a modernization of existing vehicles, those tanks that are on hand in storage are taken for modification to this standard. Of course, this is equipment already battered by life and operation, requiring not only a major overhaul of all components, but also in need of in-depth diagnostics.

Moreover, first of all, this concerns the hulls, as the base that carries the entire main load, which clearly tends to increase when the tank is modernized. Therefore, they are checked carefully, including with the help of ultrasonic examination, thanks to which it is possible to identify defects in the steel base and understand whether fatigue changes have reached limit values.

And, I must say, among experts and those simply closely interested in armored vehicles, doubts initially arose that the hulls of the Challenger 2 in storage would pass this test in full and without problems. But then all this was only at the level of assumptions and simply logical speculation.


Now, discussions about the potential shortage of operationally ready-for-modification hulls seem to be reaching a completely different level, as the UK Defense Journal wrote about not long ago.

In the published article “UK faces huge hurdle in upgrading Challenger 3 tank,” British MP Kevan Jones is quoted as saying:

You know you have very few contenders that you can actually use... It's going to create a problem for the company doing this because you're going to delay the program in terms of being able to supply the actual body shells for the retrofit...

...Challenger 3 can be done, but the worrying thing and the problem you face is that, as Mark just said, you're putting new technology on an old car. Is she capable of this?

Yes, I think so. But you know that you have very few Challengers that you can actually use - where you could put the keys in tomorrow and drive out the door. This will create problems for the company doing this because you are going to delay the program in terms of being able to supply the actual body shells for the retrofit.

Two prototypes were supposed to be ready by Christmas, but this did not happen. You always have optimism that everything will work out. It's not that you can't do it, but it's all about delay because some of the decisions you've made with Challenger in the past - in terms of mothballing a lot of them - are going to create problems.

Another MP, Marc Francois, shares the same rhetoric:

When upgrading Challenger 3, you try to install a new turret and a larger gun on an armored vehicle. That's exactly what you did with Ajax and it was a real disaster.

The situation seems to be serious indeed and is complicated by the fact that Britain does not have very many reserves of Challenger 2. Let us remember that over the years of its production, 447 units were produced, of which 38 were sent to Oman, 14 units went to Ukraine, one was destroyed in Iraq and another 43 tanks were disposed of due to the impracticality of their repair.

Taking into account the 227 vehicles in service, London's bins are quite meager, and you won't be able to go wild with them - these are not a thousand tanks, from which you can collect one and a half hundred copies suitable for modification and further service.

Of course, there is no reason to assume that the current situation will lead to a complete breakdown of the modernization program. Perhaps the requirements for some items will be simplified or more time will be spent on repairs. In the end, there are still tanks in service, although this is a last resort. But the precedent is indicative.

Having decided for the first time to completely modernize their tank fleet, the British, not accustomed to spending money left and right, were faced with a problem that should have been foreseen in an amicable way even before adopting the Challenger 3 creation program.
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  1. +2
    28 November 2023 06: 08
    It seems that the generals’ wishes are greatly inflated in relation to the capabilities of the designers/industry....
    They will look for a compromise and, of course, you shouldn’t expect anything fundamentally new... the result will be a slightly improved version of the previous version, more complicated, more expensive!!!
    By the way, will it really turn out better, that’s the question request
    1. -1
      28 November 2023 09: 12
      Are there any enterprises left that will carry out modernization rather than production? A more powerful engine is needed, rather than using injection and cooling sophistication
      Anti-tank systems do not stand still.
      Today you don’t even need a lieutenant, a “Cornet” is enough to “vulgarize” everything...
      1. +3
        28 November 2023 09: 33
        What is the role of the tank in modern warfare? What features of each army need to be taken into account? Tactical thinking is now at a tipping point. Recent military conflicts and the enormous power of anti-tank weapons make one question the traditional methods of their use; requirements and tasks are changing.
        One thing is for sure, the tank must additionally have external target designation and external information media. It must be included, if you like, integrated, into the information space and receive data, including video data from other sources for itself...
        Hence the conclusion: you cannot buy someone else’s tank, just like an airplane. It must be integrated into your own or another system. Otherwise, it will not be modern, it will be alone, and will be used in the old way, no matter how new it is...
        Only for you about modern warfare.
        20 pluses and your learning will continue.
        1. 0
          28 November 2023 11: 13
          Quote: Totvolk80
          What is the role of the tank in modern warfare? What features of each army need to be taken into account? Tactical thinking is now at a tipping point.

          If there are no breakthroughs in armor materials, the tanks are at a dead end. The whole world has created a prodigy of the “Hitler with his Royal Tiger” style and is waiting for a great victory.
          What is 200 Challengers in total?
          Such a meager number and exorbitant cost limits their use - like battleships in their time.
          That is, it doesn’t even work against the natives with RPGs due to their small numbers and the impossibility of rapid transfer.
          Apparently our people understood this and don’t fuss with Armata...
        2. +2
          28 November 2023 12: 59
          20 pluses and your learning will continue

          Smells like liquid
  2. 0
    28 November 2023 06: 09
    About two years ago I read that in Britain there were heated debates about whether to continue to develop our own tank or purchase them from our NATO partners. Among the partners, the German “Leopards” were first named. And the Challenger 3 project was looked at as a lame duck
  3. -5
    28 November 2023 06: 15
    Some kind of Trishkin caftan! Of course, a replacement gun has been requested for a long time. How far are the British behind us? The T-62 was put into service in 1961, so what does that mean: for sixty-odd years? Hmmm! Here's the former "Workshop of the World" for you.
    1. +2
      28 November 2023 07: 25
      without the colonies that they milked, the British are nobody, even though they are one of the financial centers of the world, but this segment is controlled by several families, and the rest of the country lives far from blessed days
      1. -1
        28 November 2023 07: 55
        Now the colonies milk them, or rather have them. How many times have I been to London, seeing a white man on the street is a great success, and half of them are Poles (now they are probably Ukrainians laughing ).
      2. +4
        28 November 2023 11: 38
        the rest of the country lives far from blessed days
        Nevertheless, the monthly minimum wage in hand is 175000 of your rubles. Unemployment benefits (not counting housing assistance) exceed the average salary for the regions of the Russian Federation.
        How many times have I been to London and seen a white man on the street?
        We looked in the wrong place. Of course, there are problems with immigration, but who doesn’t have them now?
        1. +2
          28 November 2023 14: 21
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Nevertheless, the monthly minimum wage in hand is 175000 of your rubles. Unemployment benefits (not counting housing assistance) exceed the average salary for the regions of the Russian Federation.

          To complete the picture, it would not hurt you to calculate “living” expenses in the British Kingdom in ruble equivalent. And then these numbers will sparkle with different colors. A typical liberda stuffing, not tied to the realities of life.
          And the realities are as follows from the English newspaper Guardian:
          • Around 2 million UK households have been forced to switch off their fridge or freezer to save money.
          • Every sixth family used the services of public “warm rooms” - these are places where you can warm up during the cold season.
          • 7,3 million households went without food and other essentials in the last six months.
          Then, on one YouTube channel, I read a comment from a citizen who lived for some time in an English town, and, sitting in her warm Moscow apartment with central heating, I was horrified wassat recalling her stay in an English house with wood heating. Gee-gee-gee. laughing
          1. 0
            28 November 2023 14: 48
            in ruble equivalent expenses
            Food is the same as in Moscow. Utilities - one average daily pay - closes the month. Gasoline is expensive, but cars (not Chinese) are cheaper than in the Russian Federation. Housing, yes, a little expensive, but edible. It is also worth noting that this is the minimum wage - no one is stopping you from earning more.
            from the English newspaper Guardian:
            These are the guys who write with enviable consistency about freezing pensioners? There are doubts about their objectivity. In particular, having communicated with representatives of the very working class, I do not know of a single such case.
            in an English house with wood heating. Gee-gee-gee.
            Where did she find such a house? And has she even been to England g-ge g-? tongue There are fireplaces in houses, but only as an addition to regular heating. I have gas.
            In a word, rumors about our death are somewhat exaggerated tongue .
            1. -1
              28 November 2023 15: 47
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              These are the guys who write with enviable consistency about freezing pensioners? There are doubts about their objectivity.

              They work for the Kremlin, presumably? laughing But how can we now trust the “untruthful” Western media? sad
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              Food is the same as in Moscow.

              Come on... YouTube is full of videos with reviews from European markets. So everyone is roughly aware of what you have there and how much. In Russia, sanctions hit the auto industry the hardest - yes. Our managers (they have no clue, no tires) did not follow the path of the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese, who, on the basis of Western licenses and their scientific and industrial achievements, created THEIR competitive auto industry, but stupidly set up a screwdriver assembly. Here we are reaping...
              By the way, about the "Chinese". Where the other day I read that the top ten best-selling electric vehicles in Europe did not include ANY European car. Entirely Chinese. The only Western one included in this top is from Tesla. Such pies....
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              Where did she find such a house? And has she even been to England g-ge g-? There are fireplaces in houses, but only as an addition to regular heating. I have gas

              There are a LOT of houses like this! quantity throughout Europe. Here are the figures for gasification in Europe: On average, the level of gasification in European Union countries does not exceed 47%. At the same time, in countries with a climate similar to ours - Finland, Sweden and NORWAY (!) - the percentage of gasification is 3,3%, 1% and 0,2% (zero point two percent sad ) respectively. In Russia it is already about 70% (85% planned)
              The other day I myself watched our blogger’s stream with a girl from Voronezh, but living in Norway with her Norwegian husband, and showed them their house where they heat wood. From the same streams with Russian-speaking Europeans, we were surprised belay We learn that Europeans also heat their private households with electricity, coal, wood and even diesel fuel. Gee-gee-gee. lol
              “Dubak” in European apartments in winter is a common story, as a result of savings on heating and the accompanying fungus on the walls - from the same problem.
              1. 0
                28 November 2023 16: 05
                So everyone is roughly aware of what you have there and how much.
                The forum members and I discussed prices here. Forum members were unpleasantly surprised - it is difficult to go hungry here.
                They work for the Kremlin, presumably?
                Worse. To Labour.
                among the ten best-selling electric vehicles in Europe

                https://evplugchargers.com/the-50-best-selling-ev-in-europe/?v=3b0903ff8db1

                Polestar - number 17 - the best result for a Chinese. By the way, electric cars in general are not popular here.
                There are a LOT of houses like this! quantity throughout Europe.
                In England there are practically no houses with only stove heating. In Europe - Europe is big, and in Portugal and Cyprus you can simply warm yourself with air conditioning. A Finn I know has no gas in Finland sad It heats with diesel fuel and doesn’t bother you. Once a year he orders delivery and forgets. It’s the same with friends in Belgium.
                YouTube is full of videos
                There are really a lot of videos there Yes . How cats conquer space, how a hamster drives a motorcycle. You can make any video for any propaganda taste, if you wish. I sometimes go to English stores in person Yes .
                1. -1
                  28 November 2023 17: 18
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  The forum members and I discussed prices here. Forum members were unpleasantly surprised - it is difficult to go hungry here.

                  Why do I need these squabbles of yours with forum users? I myself put “food prices in London” on YouTube and everything is clear. Just multiply x 111. Everything is about twice as expensive. In the age of the Internet, information “from the field” is almost online.
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  Worse. To Labour.

                  Are they lying? Who...then? Residents of Foggy Albion, perhaps? Do Albion residents learn about their lives from newspapers? laughing

                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  Polestar - number 17 - the best result for a Chinese.

                  Here is other information:
                  The most popular car brands by electric vehicle sales volume for the 1st half of 2023
                  Place Brand Sales
                  1 BYD 1,191 million
                  2 Tesla 888 thousand
                  3 BMW 220 thousand
                  4 GAC Aion 212 thousand
                  5 Volkswagen 209 thousand
                  6 SAIC-GM-Wuling (SGMW) 191 thousand
                  7 Mercedes-Benz 165 thousand
                  8 Li Auto 139 thousand
                  However, despite the impressive results of BYD and Tesla, German car manufacturers are still among the top ten in terms of electric vehicle sales. For example, BMW took third place, selling about 220 thousand cars, while Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz were in 5th and 7th place with sales volumes of 209 thousand and 165 thousand cars, respectively.
                  It is impossible not to note the success of the Chinese brand GAC Aion, which took fourth place with sales of 212 thousand cars. It continues to set new standards in the field of electric vehicles and attracts attention with its modern design and technical characteristics.
                  SAIC-GM-Wuling (SGMW) and Li Auto also deserve mention, occupying the sixth and eighth positions on the list of best-selling electric vehicle brands for the first half of 2023. SGMW sold 191 thousand electric vehicles, and Li Auto sold 139 thousand.
                  The overall trend of electric vehicle sales in 2023 shows that Chinese manufacturers are becoming increasingly competitive and dominate the electric vehicle market.

                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  By the way, electric cars in general are not popular here.

                  And who will ask you? In Norway, after 2025, all gasoline and diesel vehicles will be banned. The “greens” will also get to you over time.

                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  In Finland, a Finn I know doesn’t have gas. He heats with diesel fuel and doesn’t bother. Once a year he orders delivery and forgets. It’s the same with friends in Belgium.

                  Which is what needed to be proven (I have never seen such exotic things in Russia. wassat ). And some don’t drown at all until steam comes out of their ears. Gee-gee-gee. laughing And then they fight the fungus on the walls. This is especially true for southern countries, such as Spain and Italy, and in other countries they have not gone far.
                  In my apartment I have central heating with a radiator tap so I can turn it down, otherwise it’s JUST unbearable...And a country house in the village, also with gas from a pipe. A working stove with a fireplace is purely for decor and comfort. Running around with firewood, buckets of coal, scoops with pills and sniffing stinking diesel fuel - well, nah. Gee-gee-gee. Last century....
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  You can make any video for any propaganda taste, if you wish.

                  It’s precisely these people who are filmed from “those who left for a better life.” And then it turned out that not everything is so simple... as the “untruthful” media told us (them).
                  1. -2
                    28 November 2023 17: 35
                    Why do I need these squabbles of yours with forum users? I put it on YouTube myself
                    Really why laughing , when you can find the information that suits your loved one and doesn’t care what others have seen and know.
                    Here is other information:
                    I have never seen these brands in real life, even on the streets of London. Come and check it out Yes .
                    I have central heating in my apartment with a radiator tap
                    I have an individual one with a thermostat.
                    QED
                    Neither the Finn nor the Belgian complains about the lack of a gas pipe. I wanted to heat the house in August - go ahead. And you have nothing but a whole pipe to exhibit at VDNKh.
                    Then it turned out that not everything is so simple
                    When the locals offended me by not allowing me to become a millionaire in a year smile . Many immigrants have inflated expectations of the consequences of moving, and when they are not met, there is resentment about how they are doing and how stupid they are. At the same time, they are in no hurry to leave.
                    1. +1
                      28 November 2023 18: 45
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      Indeed, why, when you can find the information that suits your loved one and doesn’t care what others have seen and know.

                      Are there markets specifically for information “for your loved ones”? Or fake propagandist bloggers “Lidl”, “Tesco”, “Coops”, “Migros” and so on. Have you organized Euromarkets? belay Once again - your virtual showdowns for me: blah blah blah... When there are real reviews of prices in real (or recorded) mode of local stores. There’s no need for me to hang noodles on my ears here, especially since before Covid I personally visited Europe several times and bought groceries for dinner. So, as they say in the Caucasus: go p... whistle to another village. Yes
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      I have never seen these brands in real life, even on the streets of London. Come and check it out

                      And you haven’t seen Tesla? Previously, we had never seen Chinese smartphones, but now, no matter where you look.... There is a time for everything. And those brands that you see on the streets of London are already largely assembled from Made in China components. You just don't notice it... Yes
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      I have an individual one with a thermostat.

                      Wow.... what Nevidal, Gee-Gee-Gee laughing I refused this option as unnecessary. Specifically - to me. And who needs it - yes, for God's sake. My neighbor has it, but that’s fine for me.

                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      Neither the Finn nor the Belgian complains about the lack of a gas pipe. I wanted to heat the house in August - go ahead. And you have nothing but a whole pipe to exhibit at VDNKh.

                      So, apparently, they were not carried out. That pipe. So they heat it with diesel fuel. laughing
                      What does VDNKh have to do with the presence of a gas pipe in our and surrounding settlements? What's it like: "....and we have gas in our apartment. And you....?" smile
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      When the locals offended me by not allowing me to become a millionaire in a year. Many immigrants have inflated expectations of the consequences of moving, and when they are not met, there is resentment about how they are doing and how stupid they are. At the same time, they are in no hurry to leave.

                      Wow! And they came to the point where they started, that not everything is so “curly” in the life of the British kingdom. Many were traveling, not for millions, but for a well-fed European fairy tale, to get married, and so on. There are those who come back with a “new experience”.
                      1. 0
                        28 November 2023 18: 59
                        I visited Europe several times and bought groceries for dinner.
                        So the conversation was specifically for England initially. It’s more expensive in Finland, but it’s different everywhere. But there is no significant difference in prices with Russian prices anywhere. In salaries - yes.
                        And you haven’t seen Tesla?
                        My father-in-law has it. Cool thing. But I haven’t seen any Chinese.
                        and didn’t carry it out. That pipe.
                        Nope. A landline telephone and radio cable have not yet been connected to him. laughing . He doesn't need them. It gets by without them.
                        And happiness is not in the gas pipe.
                        Many were traveling, not for millions, but for a well-fed European fairy tale,
                        Yeah. Without education and language (and without a residence permit) you won’t get into a fairy tale. You need to adequately assess your chances so that you don’t end up being offended by the whole world. If it’s inadequate, then only doctors can help. Country of residence is secondary.
                        not everything is so “curly” in the life of the British kingdom.
                        Oh Shlomo, so that you stand the way he dangles tongue

                        go p.... whistle to another village. yes
                        Stay in your own place, Russian tourist laughing .
                        your virtual showdowns for me: blah blah blah.
                        In general, yours are the same for me.
                      2. 0
                        28 November 2023 20: 26
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        So the conversation was specifically for England initially.

                        Specifically for England, you can specifically look on YouTube in a specific supermarket using the clickbait “food prices in London.” Prices are twice as high as in Russia.
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        In salaries - yes.

                        In expenses too.
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        And happiness is not in the gas pipe.

                        Happiness is not in the gas pipe, but in the comfort that the pipe provides. I spent the winter holidays with my grandmother in the village and I know what it’s like to heat with wood. And in the army he heated a coal boiler in his outfit. No... let the Europeans "amuse themselves" with this. lol
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Yeah. Without education and language (and without a residence permit) you won’t get into a fairy tale.

                        But, for example, they end up in the family of a European husband, where the household members wear “sweat jackets” in order to save on heating or not go into the red at all. Yes, our citizens are not used to such domestic extremes. wassat
                        The majority of those who come have an education, know the language and receive a residence permit. I also mean Russian-speaking EU citizens from the same Baltic states. Often they also prefer to return to their place in Riga or Tallinn, from London and Paris.
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Oh Shlomo, so that you stand the way he dangles

                        I don't give a fuck. what is "he" hanging out about? As long as it doesn’t shit and stink in our direction.
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Stay in your own place, Russian tourist

                        In “my place” I am not a tourist, but at home. Russoturisto is when I'm on paid leave.
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Your blah blah blah is basically the same for me.

                        Our blah blah blah refuted your blah blah blah. Now all that remains is: recourse
                        laughing hi
                      3. -2
                        29 November 2023 01: 46
                        Our blah blah blah refuted your blah blah blah.
                        In your own little world. It’s like I talked to Mihan who was unbanned laughing .
                        Prices are twice as high as in Russia.
                        Maximum by 20%.
            2. 0
              28 November 2023 16: 10
              How much does medicine cost in Britain? Otherwise, in Moscow, in an apartment left by your grandmother, you can live comfortably for 15 thousand a month when you are 20 years old.
              1. -1
                28 November 2023 16: 38
                How much does medicine cost in Britain?
                Zero pounds zero pence if you are in the country legally. Prescribed medications are at a fixed price of 9 pounds (although some can cost up to a hundred), and for a lot of beneficiaries, they are generally free.
                live happily on 15 thousand a month
                Maybe not happily, but drunk laughing ?
                1. +2
                  29 November 2023 00: 07
                  And how long is the waiting list for free healthcare? What about the dentist? How much does it cost to travel?
                  The fact that food and rags in Britain are cheap has long been known to everyone; this is a typical situation in the Anglo-Saxon economy. True, the British debt is now such that the Americans still cannot rewrite the borrowing, but fortunately all sorts of nouveau riche are still lending to London
                  1. -2
                    29 November 2023 01: 49
                    How long is the waiting list for free healthcare?
                    I was operated on two days later. They would have done it earlier (the doctor said), but an emergency arrived from a car accident.
                    how much does the fare cost?
                    It depends where and where.
            3. 0
              28 November 2023 22: 54
              How much does it cost to rent your house and what are the utilities on Seymood Road?
            4. 0
              28 November 2023 23: 46
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              In a word, rumors about our death are somewhat exaggerated.

              But the Greatness of Britain is now only in memories! lol
              Although the show-off and manners remain, only today Britain is without the support of the United States, no one on the world stage! Lots of ambition, but few real opportunities negative
              I haven’t been to Britain, I don’t know how they live there, I think it’s about the same as in the rest of Europe, but I’ve been to many places there.
              People usually live frugally, they have no less worries than the residents of Russia, and these worries are not much different. Anyone who wants to can also earn significantly more in Russia than the average salary bully
    2. -3
      28 November 2023 11: 31
      if you take any NATO tank: Abrams, Leopard, Leclerc, Challenger
      and retrofit them with our built-in and remote remote sensing Relict
      - these will be completely modern tanks
      and if you replace the roof armor of tank turrets
      on the main 80 mm, then a package of 200 mm ceramics + 40 mm + built-in DZ Relic
      the roof of the tower will resist hits from the armor-piercing UAS 155-mm Excalibur
      Rosoboronexport - to help them
  4. 0
    28 November 2023 06: 16
    a fairly simple and inexpensive scheme to cheat old tanks and fix the main jambs
  5. 0
    28 November 2023 07: 46
    Somehow all this reminds me of a statement by one character: my salary is good, but small!
  6. -1
    28 November 2023 07: 52
    Why do the British need tanks? For some reason I don’t remember tank battles on British territory.
    1. 0
      28 November 2023 10: 52
      Quote: Stas157
      Why do the British need tanks?

      As always - to fight outside the Island, bringing the light of democracy to the jungle surrounding the beautiful European garden. Well, for the favorite British pastime - containing the oh-so-terrible Russia.
      At this rate, they will also restore the British Rhine Army... although, what kind of army is there, at most - a division.
    2. 0
      28 November 2023 23: 59
      Challengers were originally made for Iran. It’s just that Iran didn’t need it, so it had to keep it for itself.
  7. -1
    28 November 2023 07: 53
    No matter how good the tank is, there are only 148 vehicles? If only it were, or what? During the war, the Germans relied on the super duper Panther and Tiger, which a priori could not become widespread. The result is known.
    1. 0
      28 November 2023 16: 09
      Well, just as effectively as they defend Ukraine from the distant rear, these will do the same
  8. 0
    28 November 2023 07: 55
    However, perhaps most of all, gunners will be pleased that the thermal imaging sight will receive independent stabilization. Let us remember that on Challenger 2 it was installed on the cannon barrel, so when it was raised for long-distance shooting, one could only see the endless sky through it.
    What?????? Sight on the barrel?????? Ha, ha, ha.... What does it mean that a person with little understanding of the topic wrote? The sight was located in the turret, not on the barrel. It’s just that the aiming line of this sight was rigidly connected to the gun, and if the barrel rose or fell, the sight scales did the same with it. It’s strange, our combat vehicles have definitely had an independent aiming line since the 70s of the 20th century
    1. 0
      28 November 2023 08: 14
      Quote: svp67
      What does it mean that it was written by a person with little understanding of the topic. The sight was located in the turret, not on the barrel.

      The author is on topic, don’t worry, just take a closer look at the photo in the article.
  9. -1
    28 November 2023 08: 00
    War shows: no quality can ever be compensated by quality.
    1. 0
      28 November 2023 18: 40
      Right. When our jingoistic people write: “but our BMP-1/2s are cheap and widespread,” they forget that cheapness must meet modern requirements. And the example of the T-34, which such citizens like to give, does not work. For with all its mass production and cheapness, the T-34 corresponded to the realities of the battle of the time when it was produced. And if the equipment does not meet modern requirements, rivet it even a million times - you will lose, having additionally killed an unknown number of people inside this equipment.
  10. 0
    28 November 2023 09: 00
    5 million to modernize a tank? Yes, the T90M is cheaper. So, Europeans, with such price tags, you don’t need to prepare for war with Russia, but sit quietly, with your tongue stuck in your ass. And the war in Ukraine showed what kind of super tanks you can produce; they burn before reaching the front line.
  11. +1
    28 November 2023 10: 16
    However, perhaps most of all, gunners will be pleased that the thermal imaging sight will receive independent stabilization. Let us remember that on Challenger 2 it was installed on the cannon barrel, so when it was raised for long-distance shooting, one could only see the endless sky through it.

    To be precise, not on the gun barrel, but on the gun mantlet.



    Secondly, the firing range of the L31A7 HESH high-explosive fragmentation projectile is more than 8 km. When shooting at such a distance with corresponding large elevation angles, a thermal imaging sight is not used. And what is visible in it at this moment does not matter.

    1. 0
      28 November 2023 11: 12
      Quote: Dekabrist
      And what is visible in it at this moment does not matter.
      I’m not an artilleryman, so I can ask a stupid question: how is fire adjusted at long distances if it is impossible to align the sight with landmarks on the ground?
      1. +1
        28 November 2023 14: 30
        How is fire adjusted over long distances if it is impossible to align the sight with landmarks on the ground?

        Download this book from the link https://www.studmed.ru/strelba-iz-tankov-i-samohodno-artilleriyskih-ustanovok-s-zakrytyh-ognevyh-poziciy_5a0cbab55d2.html, you will read everything there.
        1. +1
          28 November 2023 16: 20
          Quote: Dekabrist
          Download this book from the link https://www.studmed.ru/strelba-iz-tankov-i-samohodno-artilleriyskih-ustanovok-s-zakrytyh-ognevyh-poziciy_5a0cbab55d2.html, you will read everything there.
          Thanks for the information.
  12. 0
    28 November 2023 10: 20
    They will suffer and start purchasing. I think that in the foreseeable future they will give an order to, for example, South Korea. Well, maybe, perhaps, with a Rolls-Royce engine. And after some time, it will be possible with the fleet there as well. And with the Tempest project it’s actually funny to me. The more I observe, the more I am convinced of one thing - shavers are still making good money and there are more and more areas where they are losing competence.
  13. -2
    28 November 2023 10: 27
    Another MP, Marc Francois, shares the same rhetoric:

    When upgrading Challenger 3, you try to install a new turret and a larger gun on an armored vehicle. That's exactly what you did with Ajax and it was a real disaster.
    The English school of tank building has always been distinguished by the originality and functionality of the design, the concept of which does not imply revision in order to avoid financial losses when drawing up defense orders for the national army request
  14. 0
    28 November 2023 10: 32
    But whether a boosted engine will appear on Challenger 3 is still a question.

    Rather, the question is not whether it will appear or not, but which one will appear. Perhaps this will be the CV2 installed on the Challenger 12, upgraded by Caterpillar Defense to the CV12-9A level as part of the HAAIP program. As a backup option, there is the German 2hp MTU MT 1500 diesel engine, already tested on the Challenger 883E.
  15. 0
    28 November 2023 10: 50
    This mastodon weighed almost 64 tons, after all these wishes it will be 70-odd. A couple more upgrades - and the result will be a mouse.))
  16. 0
    28 November 2023 13: 48
    148 tanks. All over the UK. And yet more of this number must be sent to Europe to defend democracy. And give Ukraine a boost. So the Saxons or Vikings will once again conquer England, Wales, and Scotland. bully
    1. -2
      28 November 2023 14: 00
      Scotland.
      Scotland will ruin them Yes .
  17. 0
    28 November 2023 17: 36
    Quote: V.
    148 tanks. All over the UK. And yet more of this number must be sent to Europe to defend democracy. And give Ukraine a boost. So the Saxons or Vikings will once again conquer England, Wales, and Scotland. bully

    The Englishwoman, unlike the Americans, is smarter and does not get involved in conflicts with her bases and soldiers. They are fighting with someone else's hands. which is much more powerful than these 148 machines. It’s not for nothing that our oligarchs for some reason fled to foggy Albion, and not to sunny Miami.
  18. ASM
    -1
    28 November 2023 18: 38
    automatic target tracking machine that independently holds the aiming mark on an enemy object

    It’s interesting how this machine will work, for example, in wooded/hilly areas, when the target disappears from sight and then reappears. Moreover, all this happens chaotically, because, for example, having driven behind a bush, the enemy can turn around and drive out in any direction. And this very any direction is death, because the sides there are “paper”. The hinged side screens are simply knocked down by a heavy machine gun, and then a simple RPG-7 takes the tank out of the battle. In addition, side screens chronically reduce cross-country ability, because all the turf and bushes can stupidly completely clog the chassis. But the idea of ​​finally switching to a smoothbore is right.
  19. 0
    28 November 2023 23: 56
    I wonder if the Indian loader is still there? Or was it replaced by a black man?
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