Who are American aircraft carriers afraid of in the Mediterranean?

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Who are American aircraft carriers afraid of in the Mediterranean?

Today in the Mediterranean Sea there is, I would say, an ambiguous and funny situation. The great and mighty US Navy, represented by two aircraft carrier strike groups with NATO ships (the same from Great Britain) as backup dancers, are more than cautiously located at a decent distance from the coastline.

No, it’s perfectly clear that planes, if anything, can easily fly to almost any point on the Map of Israel, Palestine and other countries, but... But it turns out that no one knows the exact location of the ships, but they prefer to be outside the theoretical radius hit by an anti-ship missile.



In general, this behavior speaks exclusively of two things:
First: the command of the group of ships... is too cautious, not to say cowardly.
Second: the command of a group of ships has accurate data about the missile threat from the shore.

In fact, in the second case there is a certain common sense. Indeed, an anti-ship missile could actually fly from the Gaza coast. And even more so from the Lebanese shore.

Lebanon. Let's start with him. Hezbollah has settled in Lebanon as if it were at home (and in fact, at home).


A large and serious player in the region, with an army of thirty thousand armed with Iran. Yes, since Hezbollah is a Shiite organization, it is clear that behind the “Lebanese” is Iran, or more precisely, the IRGC. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is a serious organization whose goal is to export the Islamic revolution to other countries.

Hezbollah in this regard is an excellent instrument of the IRGC, advocating the creation of an Islamic state in Lebanon modeled on Iran. The ideology of Hezbollah is based on slightly revised ideas of the leader of the Islamic revolution in Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini.

The weapons of Hezbollah fighters are just fine. Naturally, Iran supplies them with everything they need and even more: according to intelligence data, Hezbollah is armed with hundreds of MLRS installations and thousands of missiles for them. There are also anti-ship missiles. The main striking force of the IRGC is the missile forces, so the Iranians have something to share, the same Gaders.


Back in 2006, Hezbollah attacked the Israeli corvette Hanit with an anti-ship missile, and it was more than successful. True, “Khanit” received minimal damage, but a precedent occurred.

So there can simply be no doubt that Hezbollah has anti-ship missiles. Iranian, Iranian-Chinese, just Chinese - they exist, and given the certain frostbite of these guys, the missile could easily fly towards American ships. Missiles from the same OTRK "Zilzal-2".


And considering that Hezbollah participated in the civil war in Syria on the side of Bashar al-Assad, something Soviet-Russian could easily turn out to be from his generosity. Did Hezbollah militants end up with Russian Osa air defense systems? Back in 2012, Syrians shared generously.

So the calculation option is very difficult.

It can also fly from Gaza. From Hamas. And it’s also difficult to say whose will fly.


Hamas is not a single organism; there are many wings and branches that enjoy the support of those who are ready to do so. Therefore, in addition to Iran, which does not care who fights against Israel, Shiites or Sunnis, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain are regularly listed as sponsors of Hamas. That is, those who have no problems with either weapons, nor with money.

So both Hezbollah and Hamas could have anti-ship missiles.

Therefore, if the American Marines land on the shore in Lebanon (well, shouldn’t they land in Gaza?), they will do it not on landing craft, but on tiltrotors or helicopters, fortunately, there are more than enough of both on aircraft carriers.


What happened on these same shores in 1983, when a contingent of US Marines landed in Beirut as part of a multinational peacekeeping effort, is unlikely to be repeated. Then the Marines disembarked from landing ships anchored near the shore.


The photo above shows two Newport-class landing ships, a tank (LST), a group of Marines on the beach, and a smaller landing craft moving towards land. Neither the escort frigate, nor the destroyer, nor the cruiser are visible in the picture. No cover at all. And all this was some 40 years ago.

Today such a scene is, to put it mildly, unrealistic. Thanks to the proliferation of anti-ship missiles, the US Navy is likely far over the horizon, protected by a ring of radars supported by ship-to-air and air-to-air missiles on aircraft, short-range defenses designed to detect and destroy approaching missiles.

Although the US Navy has not reported its location in the eastern Mediterranean, the aircraft carrier USS Ford and its escort are at least 70 miles off the coast. That is, at a distance of confident detection of anti-ship missiles with subsequent measures.


An Iranian Nur missile is launched during military exercises on April 25, 2010 in southern Iran, near the Strait of Hormuz.

That's why such a product cannot fly 70-100 kilometers and make a splash among the crews of American ships? Yes, the fact of the matter is that it can.

There is such a thing as Iran's "Axis of Resistance". It is a network of groups scattered throughout the Middle East that receive significant support from Tehran. Gaza-based Hamas, Lebanon-based Hezbollah and Yemen's Houthi rebels have all received and will likely receive large shipments of weapons to varying degrees, including rockets, anti-ship missiles, and in some cases even ballistic missiles . Why? Well, they all seem to consider Israel an enemy, and the organization, training and equipment of these groups allows Tehran to be able to attack what Iran considers its number one enemy in the world.


Well, the United States, as Israel’s main partner in Middle Eastern affairs, is quite naturally in second place.

Of course, Iran does not yet have intercontinental ballistic missiles at its disposal, so everything is quiet here for now, the United States is at a safe distance. But to plant an anti-ship missile on board an aircraft carrier, and even at the hands of the same Houthis...
Agree, the idea is cool!

But there are more than enough hot guys from Hamas and Hezbollah to keep the Yankees on some suspense. Of the two groups directly opposed to Israel, Hezbollah is the larger and better equipped. Hezbollah is known to be armed with Iranian Nur anti-ship missiles, a copy of the Chinese C-802 anti-ship missile.


The Nur is a low-flying, subsonic anti-ship cruise missile, similar to the American Harpoon or the French Exocet. Nur can deliver a 155 kg warhead over a distance of up to 120 km. This is a complete copy of the Chinese S-801/YJ-81 missile. It was this kind of missile that damaged the Eilat-class corvette Hanit, and in 2016 the military transport HSV-2 Swift of the UAE Navy was sunk.

There are also unconfirmed reports that Hezbollah has larger and more powerful Russian-made anti-ship missiles with a range of up to 300 km, American sources wrote about this, citing some intelligence data. This was, as it were, a hint at the possibility of Syria transferring Russian Bastion-P coastal anti-ship systems with Yakhont missiles to Hezbollah.

Yes, Yakhonts fly such a distance. However, this scenario is, to put it mildly, somewhat fantastic. Russia has so far supplied Syria with only two such complexes, and transferring at least one of them to who knows who would greatly weaken the already weak capabilities of the Syrian army.

Well, “Rubezhi”, which is also in service with the Syrian troops, does not have such a range. Maximum 80 km. But the 500 kg warhead of the P-22 Rubezh missile looks more impressive than the 200 kg of the Yakhont.

So if Hamas and Hezbollah have anti-ship missiles, they are Iranian-made. But this is also a serious point, because ship crews will have to constantly be in a state of combat readiness, and this is not so easy. It is also possible that Hamas has a decent supply of anti-ship missiles.

In 2011, Israeli forces stopped and inspected the merchant ship Victoria, finding 50 tons of Iranian-made weapons destined for Hamas. These included two launchers for Iranian copies of the Chinese S-704 anti-ship missile, known as Nasr, and six Nasr missiles.


Flotilla warships of the Israeli Navy

Despite its small size, Israel has a combat-ready navy that is capable of solving problems to ensure the security of the country's maritime borders. However, anti-ship missiles remain a problem for groups such as Hezbollah.

Therefore, the patrol service is good, but the question is: did any rockets get through the blockade of Gaza and did they reach Hamas? This is possible even though Israeli warships were blockading the coast. But the fact that the Israeli navy operated close to the coastline and provided support to Israeli army units operating in Gaza, within range of any missiles, proves that either Hamas did not have missiles, or the Israeli army did an excellent job of storing them.

Agree that given the course of events that took place between Israel and Hamas, the latter would certainly have used its missiles to attack Israeli ships. Israeli ground forces needed naval fire support, and Israeli naval units took calculated risks to provide that support.

And nothing. Which indirectly indicates that the Hamas anti-ship forces were most likely destroyed along with missile stocks and launchers.

The same cannot be said about Hezbollah. This group did not actually go to war with Israel over Palestine, and therefore its combat capabilities have not been weakened in the least. And most likely, both in Jerusalem and in Washington, everyone who should know about it knows about it.

Therefore, US Navy ships prefer not to risk anything, operating further from the coast. The presence of Yakhont missiles would require American ships to remain 300 kilometers off the coast, but this would still not be a serious impediment to operations.


US warships can fight at long ranges, so weapons like the Tomahawk cruise missile can still be easily used against Hezbollah targets while remaining out of range of the Lebanese group's own weapons.

Hack and predictor Aviator



Thanks to Iran, anti-ship missiles have proliferated throughout the Middle East and pose a significant threat to those who would pursue power politics in the region. This is a fact that some will have to come to terms with. The world will not be the same as it was during the Middle East crises of the last century.

Naturally, anti-ship missiles are absolutely not a panacea for all problems, at least while they are in effect. aviation, cruise and ballistic missiles.

And yes, the flight from the deck of the USS Ford in the eastern Mediterranean to Israel may take a little longer, but the ship is home to 5000 sailors and Marines, so it's best not to risk it. So the Americans do not seek adventures beyond what may befall them.

Of course, the sight of a huge aircraft carrier on the roadstead of the same Haifa would greatly support the morale of the Israelis. But how much does an Iranian-made cruise missile copied from a Chinese anti-ship missile cost? And what kind of things can she do once she’s inside the ship’s compartments?

If someone wants to check, it’s definitely not the American side. So to whom is cowardice, and to whom is reasonable caution, right?
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  1. +9
    24 November 2023 05: 31
    . carefully located at a decent distance from the coastline

    They don’t want to repeat Moscow’s experience.
    1. +6
      24 November 2023 07: 28
      Very interestingly, Iran supplies relatively modern missiles to its proxies such as the Houthis who are trying to strike Israel and Iraqi Shiite groups that are attacking American bases. At the same time, the hegemon does nothing against Iran in response. On the other hand, Israel is smashing Gaza into rubble, and Iran is keeping Hezbollah on a leash. Looks like another deal. Is that why missiles don’t fly at American AUGs?
    2. +3
      24 November 2023 10: 12
      During the Vietnam War, THREE American aircraft carriers were seriously damaged by explosions of their own munitions.
      1. 0
        24 November 2023 20: 21
        and the current president of Syshya. laughing
        1. 0
          25 November 2023 20: 25
          Quote: Foxmara
          and the current president of Syshya. laughing

          There was another idiot there
          John Sidney McCain III (eng. John Sidney McCain III; August 29, 1936, US Air Force Base "Coco-Solo" - August 25, 2018, Arizona, USA [7]) - American politician and statesman, US Senator from Arizona (since 1987), Republican presidential candidate in the 2008 elections.

          McCain's grandfather and father were admirals in the US Navy. John McCain followed in their footsteps and graduated from the US Naval Academy in 1958, becoming a carrier-based aviation pilot. Veteran of the Vietnam War. He was shot down by a Soviet missile over Hanoi in 1967, spent five and a half years in Vietnamese captivity, and was released in 1973 under the terms of the Paris Agreement.
    3. TIR
      +10
      24 November 2023 18: 40
      The author writes about the cowardice of the AUG command. In fact, this is not cowardice, these are competent actions. If there is a threat, it is avoided or destroyed. It’s better to play it safe than to show incompetence like Moscow
      1. +1
        25 November 2023 00: 05
        The death of the cruiser Moscow was more likely not due to the incompetence of the command, but to old age and the inconsistency of the cruiser’s weapons and equipment with modern realities. For a modern cruiser, destroying two anti-ship missiles is not the most difficult task. The incompetence of the command was that it was impossible to send the old ship to combat operations, the success of which it could not ensure. But we don't know all the details. Perhaps the admirals were given an order that they were obliged to carry out no matter what, and the problem was not in the command of the Red Black Sea Fleet, but in the people who gave them orders.
        1. +4
          25 November 2023 07: 35
          Or perhaps the Moskva did not die at all from anti-ship missiles, but from an accident with its chassis, similar to what happened on the Admiral Zakharov BOD
          “Shortly after the ship went to sea, a malfunction was discovered in the tire-pneumatic clutch (SHPM) of the afterburner engine No. 2 in the aft engine room. The commander of the BCH-5, Captain 3rd Rank I. Samoilov, decided to feed the clutch manually and for this purpose sent a sailor S. Rakitsky to the KMO. (Thus, the operating instructions for the gas turbine plant were violated). Subsequently, according to the conclusion of the commission members, the bleeding of air occurred either due to the closure of other contacts in the block by Rakitsky, or a violation of the time intervals between the replenishment of the CMP cylinder.
          What happened next? And then, as experts suggest, there was a sharp drop in the load from the turbine, and it went haywire. Acceleration of the afterburner propeller turbine above the maximum speed led to a rupture of the disks of two turbine stages. In turn, the disks destroyed the turbine housing and pierced the double bottom of the KMO in the area of ​​​​the fuel tank. The fragments flew at the speed of artillery shells.
          As a result of hot gases and atomized fuel entering the engine room, a massive fire occurred, followed by ignition of the fuel coming from the punctured tank. The ejection of the flame reached 15–20 meters upwards.”

          The chassis of the Project 1164 cruisers was designed on the basis of the BOD. And then, next to the artillery magazine of 30-mm installations and missiles of the Osa-MA complex, they could have detonated. It is interesting that on the Admiral Zakharov, which burned in 1992, according to some reports, a similar problem arose - there was also danger detonation of 30-mm ammunition, but it was stopped by intensive cooling: AK-630 installations were intensively flooded with fire hoses of rescue ships.
          So, it is quite likely that the cruiser died in the name of an unsuccessful repair that was carried out at the World Cup, at an enterprise that has long forgotten what it is - cruiser units.
  2. +17
    24 November 2023 05: 39
    Who are American aircraft carriers afraid of in the Mediterranean?

    They are not afraid of anyone....
    1. +6
      24 November 2023 16: 28
      Quote: Vladimir80
      They are not afraid of anyone....

      are you sure about that?
      at least two countries come to mind (Iran and China) due to their ASBM (antiship balestic missile), known as carrier killer by military expert
      Iran was the first country to develop ASBM, and to this day, only Iran and China have joined the carrier killer club.
      Iran is also the only nation to have developed anti-radiation ballistic missiles, which turn warships greatest asset (radar) to a liability.
      so US aircraft carrier pretty scared of this two and when the situation really get intense as opposed to media drama, they go outside the carrier killer reach


      they fear Iran constantly because they don't know when Iran is above their head with a drone and Iran keep reminding them with releasing new footage from US carrier group taken directly above their head

      The worst part for them is the fact that they know the threat is real and that left no place for coping
    2. 0
      10 December 2023 12: 21
      Yeah, Israel wasn't afraid of Hamas either...
  3. +8
    24 November 2023 05: 46
    Today in the Mediterranean Sea there is, I would say, an ambiguous and funny situation.

    This situation is developing all over the world. There is a rethinking of strategy and tactics, as well as weapons.
    One of the reasons is massive and cheap drones.
    There are no questions only regarding submarines, and then probably for now.
    1. -2
      24 November 2023 11: 08
      Quote: Arkadich
      There is a rethinking of strategy and tactics, as well as weapons.

      That's right! An attack with one or two missiles on an aircraft carrier is pointless. False targets, electronic warfare, after depletion and suppression of missile defense, attack from air and water. With proper planning, only bubbles will remain from the AUG. And the shift of the GPS grid will provide protection from retaliatory strikes from aircraft and cover ships.
      1. -3
        24 November 2023 11: 22
        What amazes me more is that a specially protected facility worth several billion dollars, the basis of entire operations, can be damaged or sunk by “toys” worth several, even tens of thousands of dollars.
        It’s as if they told me at 90 that they could destroy a tank with cobblestones.
        1. +4
          24 November 2023 17: 03
          Replace the cobblestone with an anti-tank mine, which also costs the same as a sack of potatoes compared to a tank, and you will be lucky...or unlucky
          1. +1
            24 November 2023 19: 29
            The mine and the tank have been “coexisting” for a long time. Tanks are not killed as often by mines; it is more of a deterrent.
            1. +1
              25 November 2023 07: 37
              Quote: Arkadich
              Tanks are not killed as often by mines; it is more of a deterrent.

              Well, not a single aircraft carrier died from anti-ship missiles. And what? The example given to you is very correct.
              Quote: Arkadich
              damaged or sunk by “toys” worth several, even tens of thousands of dollars.

              Modern foreign anti-ship missiles cost millions of dollars
              1. +1
                26 November 2023 16: 39
                Well, not a single aircraft carrier died from anti-ship missiles. And what?

                Nothing. Just name the conflict where an aircraft carrier participated against an enemy that had modern anti-ship missiles?
                Modern foreign anti-ship missiles cost millions of dollars

                We were talking about drones.
      2. +3
        24 November 2023 12: 57
        And GPS grid shift

        it's like?
        will provide protection from retaliatory strikes from aircraft and cover ships

        How will it be provided?
    2. +1
      25 November 2023 21: 50
      Arkadich (Artem). Yesterday, 05:46. NEW. yours - "...There is a rethinking of strategy and tactics, as well as weapons. One of the reasons is the massive and cheap drones...."
      You're right hi experience. at least from the Houthis and zilch with the American Patriot air defense systems of Saudi Arabia. . And if we consider swarms of 10, a variant of “unknown” BPs (thanks to the USA and the petty vile Britons for their samples “kindly” provided, for example, to Iran and others. feel )on three levels (air, surface and underwater) - and several directions. drinks It would be nice to say “hello” to Uncle Sam from unknown people.... and if the equipment has US and English nameplates and partially....
      In any case, cheaper than an aircraft carrier. crying And the option of creating a situation for the United States like in Sudan (see their film "Black Hawk"). The super-duper commandos of the USA and the USA itself were well "dunked" .... crying
  4. KCA
    +3
    24 November 2023 05: 48
    The landing of Marines from tiltrotors is somehow doubtful, if the US does not declare martial law, they will not climb into these troughs, they are very afraid
  5. +19
    24 November 2023 06: 02
    They are afraid, they are not afraid. Kindergarten :)
    They complete the task, minimizing risks, and do everything correctly.
    And there will be a rocket launch if necessary. Israeli intelligence services can also arrange a provocation, with the help of agents of course. To then shout loudly - “Look, they are dangerous, they dared to take aim at the NATO fleet, attack them!”
    And if it becomes really necessary (for example, to increase the budget), the Americans themselves will stir up something. And even if they pass it through the air defense, the missile will either explode abnormally, or something else will happen, so that there is less damage (and repair costs) and more noise.
    1. +8
      24 November 2023 09: 17
      Quote: VicktorVR
      They complete the task, minimizing risks, and do everything correctly.

      Couldn't have said it better. American aircraft did not come close to the Iraqi coastline during Desert Storm, which did not at all prevent carrier-based aircraft from operating with almost the same intensity as ground aircraft.
  6. +1
    24 November 2023 06: 45
    But it turns out that no one knows the exact location of the ships, but they prefer to be outside the theoretical range of an anti-ship missile.

    It’s time to spread misinformation about the transfer of Bastions with Onyx-M to Syria in connection with the transfer to Zircons. Let them crawl further.
    Iran, I remember, asked for the S-400... You can also mention a couple of ballistic missiles in addition.
    For there is no reason for the American adversaries to rattle their iron in direct line of sight.
    1. +3
      24 November 2023 09: 21
      I remember they supplied Syria with the S-300 and something else, but the Jews continued to bomb it and continue to bomb it.
  7. +4
    24 November 2023 09: 04
    How the Jews have everything tied together and united! Just one and two aviks off the coast, and the money was found and will be there as long as necessary. There is a strong Jewish lobby in the USA, there is a lot of money there and they have power, the most powerful there can be. And none of the Arabs flinched, everyone just screamed from their yard. There is no cohesion, so the Jews attack everyone who is proud.
    1. +2
      24 November 2023 11: 33
      To prevent the Arabs from twitching, American high-ranking politicians did not leave the capitals of Arab countries. I don’t know what they promised or what they threatened, but this is the best air defense system, as it turned out.
  8. +2
    24 November 2023 09: 19
    Yes, yes, yes, dear Author, but then Hamas or some Hezbollah, or even all of them together, will be razed to the ground for a long time and with taste, not by one, but by two. They love us, don’t feed us bread, wishful thinking.
    1. +1
      24 November 2023 11: 29
      I didn’t notice that the author wanted such a development of events. Rather, on the contrary, he praises the mattress command for its foresight and correct perception of modern realities. Well, you can expect anything from the thugs of the militant radical Islamists; they can foolishly shoot you. The adequate ones sit in their holes and blather without making any movements. I wish Russia could come to any region of the world like this and push through its interests.
      1. +2
        24 November 2023 14: 06
        Then I'm wrong. hi "" "" "" "
  9. +3
    24 November 2023 09: 39
    "Khanit" was terribly lucky - the missile hit the crane beam near the helicopter hangar, but did not fly into the hull, the second missile retargeted the Bangladeshi cargo ship. Both missiles hit the ships. good There is no need to hit American ships in this area. The Houthis just need to hit an anti-ship missile at a passing Suezmax tanker in the Red Sea. Chaos is guaranteed. The United States has worked out this option - 50 tankers are heading towards the United States to load oil. (figures from two weeks ago).
    1. 0
      24 November 2023 17: 12
      Quote: tralflot1832
      "Khanit" was terribly lucky - the missile hit the crane beam near the helicopter hangar, but did not fly into the hull, the second missile retargeted the Bangladeshi cargo ship. Both missiles hit the ships. good There is no need to hit American ships in this area. The Houthis just need to hit an anti-ship missile at a passing Suezmax tanker in the Red Sea. Chaos is guaranteed. The United States has worked out this option - 50 tankers are heading towards the United States to load oil. (figures from two weeks ago).

      If the Houthis hit the tanker, it will cause a negative reaction, first of all, from Egypt, and only then from China, the EU, the Arabs and other uninvolved people. Well, the USA doesn’t care, because they have an oil surplus, i.e. They sell more oil than they buy.
  10. +15
    24 November 2023 09: 49
    Yes, American aircraft carriers are not afraid of anyone: neither in the Mediterranean Sea, nor in any other. Roman, you can’t just imagine this military machine that is being formed around an aircraft carrier.
    And this:
    No, it’s perfectly clear that planes, if anything, can easily fly to almost any point on the Map of Israel, Palestine and other countries, but... But it turns out that no one knows the exact location of the ships, but they prefer to be outside the theoretical radius hit by an anti-ship missile.

    speaks of the commander's skill, not fear. He has his own combat regulations, there are swimming rules. You think like an infantry general. And that admiral’s task number 1 is secrecy. Task No. 2 is reconnaissance, and No. 3 is operations using only military cunning. For that American admiral, the goal is not just to complete a combat mission, but to complete a mission with the number of losses = 0. This is a different military culture. This is what you need to understand and what you may have to face. For some reason, we understood this at one time - I speak for my destroyer officer team. Since then, not much has changed regarding aircraft carriers, so try to understand this too.
    1. +6
      24 November 2023 10: 34
      Wonderful comment! hi
      1. +1
        24 November 2023 20: 28
        Thanks, namesake! hi
        Well, why can’t you just say thank you, you need to listen to that short comment))
        1. +1
          25 November 2023 00: 04
          Quote: Galleon
          Well, why can’t you just say thank you, you need to listen to that short comment))

          Unfortunately, I can't help you here. But I always wish you all the best!
    2. +6
      24 November 2023 12: 24
      Quote: Galleon
      Since then, little has changed regarding aircraft carriers, so try to understand this too

      Galleon, you are throwing pearls in front of the “author” in vain. The author does not set out to convey the truth to his readers; the purpose of these often very technically illiterate and provocative articles on “topical” topics is to stir up interest in the site, and to receive a fee for it.
      1. 0
        24 November 2023 12: 57
        Are you alone at VO? Despite many controversial statements and technical errors, the author constantly raises, as you put it, topical topics and they often are. Of course, the guards are against this, so don’t read it, he’s not writing people like that for you. I don’t read the works of one figure who never surrendered the liberated territories.
      2. +6
        24 November 2023 20: 02
        Quote: BORMAN82
        The author does not set out to convey the truth to his readers; the purpose of these often very technically illiterate and provocative articles on “topical” topics is to stir up interest in the site

        1. the author writes as best he can. you can do better - write!
        2. the question of truth depends on the point of view on the problem...everyone has their own.
        3. Roma has some problems with technical literacy due to experience and education, as well as an uncritical approach to his “creations”.
        4. and the fact that he writes on topical topics and thereby fuels interest in the site - WELL DONE!!!
        And, nevertheless, let me insert my two cents on a largely fair criticism of the material.
        1. the reasons (2 noted by Roman) are far-fetched. American admirals act strictly within the framework of the tactical regulations of the US Navy for airborne weapons located in the BD area. Therefore, combat maneuvering areas are chosen as safe as possible: beyond the reach of enemy weapons...
        2. nothing in the form of anti-ship missiles can fly from GAZ territory. Everything is under the control of the reconnaissance forces and assets of the 6th Fleet in the theater of operations...
        3. the message about the use of OTR "Zilzal-2" against AVU - it’s hard to even call it a joke: uncontrollable against a highly mobile maneuvering target(?) and a range of 200-250(?) km - is clearly not suitable for the task of destroying AVU.
        4. There are no Ospreys in J. Ford’s air wing! Therefore, even if the Marines land somewhere from them, it will obviously not be from the AVU. (although, of course, they can fly in and load the MP on board).
        5. An anti-ship missile can fly 70-100 miles, no problem. The problem is who will give her the control center? (Well, if only a dolphin with a green bandage on its fin)
        6. I do not agree that Iran can “plant” anti-ship missiles on board Ford... The Ayatollahs in words in every possible way support their co-religionists in the war against the “big shaitan”, but in reality they do their best to avoid reasons for an open war with the States.
        7. Roman is completely unfamiliar with the missile defense/air defense system of ships at sea! Why do the crews of all AUG ships sit on the power supply in BG No. 1? there is a duty schedule for ships for air defense (AWACs air defense post), ADS duty officers are assigned to each station... And the rest of the ships operate according to the daily power supply plan...
        My colleagues touched on the rest in their comments, I won’t repeat them.
        Thank you to Roman for bringing some life into the now dull picture of the military-technical theme of the site.
        hi
    3. +1
      24 November 2023 17: 21
      Quote: Galleon
      Yes, American aircraft carriers are not afraid of anyone: neither in the Mediterranean Sea, nor in any other.

      The fact that Russian citizens bought US propaganda about the US is nothing short of a tragedy; no wonder the USSR collapsed.
      US is nothing other than a feminine nation with pussified men who lost all their wars after WW2 despite the fact that they only attacked people with little ability to defend themselves but somehow the US managed to lose to them.
      US attacked Afghanistan because they believed Binladen who is not even from Afghanistan and is a Saudi citizen, was in Afghanistan and they attacked iraq on made-up charges only to be able to surrounding Iran from both side to attack Iran
      Why is Iran so important? because if you are not Persian and you want to control the Persian Gulf, you should first defeat Persians. And silly propaganda campaign to call it the gulf or more stupidly, the Arabian gulf, is not going to help you
      why the Persian Gulf is so important? oil
      imagine instead of fair competition with China, you could just stop giving him oil
      Yet when they saw Iran get strong and actually challenge the US, it was the first country to dare attack the US since World War II. What did the mighty US do in response? downplayed the attack, covered up the casualties, and deescalate.
      my point is that US only attacks those who fear them and regard them as superior powers, but in front of fearless countries? look at pictures to see what would happen



      1. +5
        24 November 2023 20: 40
        If you want to engage in dialogue with other participants in the discussion, please use a translator.
        It’s nice to see a brave Persian in our ranks, but out of ignorance you don’t realize the scale of the threat of an aircraft carrier and the difficulty of it as a target. Read something about these ships: about the composition of its air wing, about the number of nuclear bombs on board each of them - 144 pieces. There is no other military equipment capable of controlling everything around it for 1000 km and destroying targets around it for 800 km, in batches. On my own behalf, I can only say that for the Soviet Union, the presence of 2 aircraft carriers on the same sea at the same time clearly indicated that the United States had declared war. One aircraft carrier was the norm, two in the ports of Norway or Japan were a signal that there were only a few days left before the war.

        If you want to enter into a dialogue with the rest of the participants in the discussion, please use an interpreter.
        It's nice to see a brave Persian in our ranks, but you unknowingly do not represent the scale of the threat of the aircraft carrier and its difficulties as a target. Read something about these ships: about the composition of their air wing, about the number of nuclear bombs on board each of them - 144 pcs. There is no other military equipment capable of controlling everything around it for 1000 km and destroying targets around it for 800 km, in batches. From myself, I can only say that for the Soviet Union, the presence of 2 aircraft carriers on the same sea at the same time unequivocally tested to the declaration of war by the United States. One aircraft carrier was the norm, two in the ports of Norway or Japan were a signal that there were only a few days left before the war.
        1. +1
          25 November 2023 00: 28
          They themselves agree that as soon as the anti-ship ballistic missile became a reality, the aircraft carrier became obsolete, but here you are arguing on their behalf that they are invincible. of course they are invincible to you because you won't even try.
          Your attitude reminds me of the words of Muhammad Ali: he said that I defeat my opponent before he even begins the fight, allowing him to believe that it is impossible to defeat me.
          this is exactly what happened to the USSR, they accepted defeat and turned over before they were destroyed, but they lost when they retreated from their position in the war in Egypt, Israel, the Cuban missile crisis, etc. The USSR retreated from one by one your position.
          Do you want to know why the US is more cautious with Iran than with the country with the most nuclear weapons?
          because we do not bend at the sight of their atomic carriers.
          The best example of how this was burned into their brains was in a battle where we actually lost the battle, but they knew they would lose the war against such an enemy.
          . Imagine that you have already lost half a million of your youth as a result of the ongoing 8-year war, while being under sanctions against Sadam, who was supported by two superpowers - the USSR, the USA and the rest of the world, including the EU and the Arabs.
          When Saddam attacked our tanker in the Persian Gulf, we obviously did the same to all the Arab tankers because we knew they were all giving money to Saddam.
          so the US told them to use American flag tankers, no one will dare to attack you and they said it publicly to humiliate us further. Why? because they thought that they would never open a second front with what the US bought, when the US escorted a Kuwaiti tanker that was flying an American flag, we attacked the tanker and its escort. The US lost one helicopter and one ship, and we lost 3 ships, but as a result of this, the US does not dare to use its own tanker in the Persian Gulf, and every time there is information that some tanker is carrying American oil or goods, The IRGC seizes that cargo ship or tanker while the US Navy watches and can do nothing. short of all the war to stop it.
          just read this title and tell me which one of us established respect? USA or Iran


          when your own oil companies don't believe you can save them from Iran, it means they think the US won't win a war with Iran.
          why, because you have to engage in a fight to win it, but when the US can't get closer than 2000 km from the Iranian border, when they are going to even come within range of their fighter jets.

          1. +1
            26 November 2023 16: 13
            In Persia, apparently, there are also a lot of people who want to fight “from the couch.” You can understand, that’s what the internet is for. You can stick out your chest and jaw as much as you like, flexing your muscles, but you should understand that they have been preparing for such a scenario for the last decades. And the muscle was pumped up much stronger. The whole essence of their platform for printing the world's paper is built on this; this is their only and main task, to push it around the world, bending it under themselves. They will smear it if the need arises. And your ayatollahs understand this perfectly. The border, or the red line, in the newfangled way, is clearly felt. hi .
        2. 0
          10 December 2023 12: 31
          . There is no other military equipment capable of controlling everything around it for 1000 km and destroying targets around it for 800 km, in batches

          The most ordinary military airfield on which an aviation regiment is based can do this.
          1. +1
            10 December 2023 12: 47
            It is not a regiment that is based on an aircraft carrier, but an air wing - 5 regiments for various purposes, which together create all types of support for themselves. Need detailed reconnaissance? There is a squadron. The need for electronic warfare is not a question at all. Forces for a diversion? - Please. How much to raise for the main missile and bomb attack - 2, 3 regiments? Half an hour and 50 planes in the air. Refuel, save the pilot, destroy the submarine? - set a task.
            Didn't you get carried away with the mediocre airfield?
            1. 0
              10 December 2023 12: 53
              Got excited. This means we are adjusting the calculations - the air division is at three airfields. There is a master key for every lock...
              1. 0
                10 December 2023 13: 04
                During exercises in the 80s on a similar topic, a division of missile carriers was raised on the 1st aircraft carrier from Kamchatka. Now you can imagine the size of this military machine. I'll tell you more: all the cellars and fuel storage facilities of this bastard are below the waterline. The weapons are lifted only to be immediately hung on the pylons. The internal hangar is divided into fire compartments by curtains, fire extinguishing, this and that. The underwater board in the underwater part is five-layered - the board is the same thickness at a distance of 1 m from the outer one, structural torpedo protection. The bottom is duplicated three times. This is a stronghold that will not come within range of your weapon. This could only be taken by a division of missile carriers. But there are no more divisions. One hope is that they will be afraid of Zircon.
                1. 0
                  10 December 2023 13: 11
                  Everything is correct. But in general there is “other military equipment capable of controlling everything around it for 1000 km.” If needed, the MRA will also be restored. After the revival of the aviation industry.
  11. +9
    24 November 2023 10: 15
    But our admirals are not afraid of anyone, they boldly lead their ships towards any missiles and drones, destroying them along the way. True, the ships may soon run out, because there are a lot of missiles, but not very many ships...
  12. +4
    24 November 2023 10: 51
    But how much does an Iranian-made cruise missile copied from a Chinese anti-ship missile cost? And what kind of things can she do once she’s inside the ship’s compartments?

    What kind of things can the United States do next on the territory of Iran and Lebanon? Will the Americans simply wipe themselves off after such a slap in the face?
    And we must not forget that on the opposite side, Israel and the United States in BV are also not humanists. Radical fanatics.
  13. +5
    24 November 2023 11: 09
    more than carefully located at a decent distance from the coastline

    The author thinks that until they moor at the shore, they cannot act?
    USS Ford and its escort are at least 70 miles off the coast

    For an aircraft carrier, this distance is the same as near the coastline. Which suggests that, contrary to the title, they are not afraid of anything. Carrier-based aircraft, without particularly straining, without unnecessary refueling, are capable of delivering strikes up to 900 km - somewhere from the shores of Crete, in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea. And the fact that they came so close means that they are not afraid.
  14. +3
    24 November 2023 11: 14
    Since the author thinks that aircraft carriers should only be located at the quay wall (like the legendary Admiral Kuznetsov), then I can advise him to watch less news on Channel One and Solovyov-Shapiro programs.
  15. -2
    24 November 2023 11: 39
    While the AUGs are carrying out a demonstration, without performing real combat missions other than reconnaissance, nothing can be judged either about their capabilities and the skill of the admirals, the effectiveness of air defense, or about the capabilities of the opposite side, which they did not demonstrate.
    And then among the comments there are a lot of biased praises for the American admirals: they protect their personnel, and if necessary, they will crush Hezbollah into powder, in short, they are handsome men, the likes of which the world has never seen...
    Just like the IDF, MOSSAD and the Knesset - great and terrible, but... yesterday, in the sense before 07.10. But then - huge questions arose for them, and so far in a month and a half they have only grown. Having killed thousands and thousands of civilians with bombs, including children, the issue with Hamas has been resolved “in no way”, the hostages have not yet been released, and if they are, it will clearly be on Hamas’s terms. Israel's authority in the world is below par and cannot be restored by administrative order. This is the reality.
    And there is nothing to applaud for the “victors of the Taliban” and the scares of Kim, even if they are still thinking about how to defend their garrisons in Syria and Iraq, not to mention how to protect “retired generals” from plane crashes.
    1. +8
      24 November 2023 12: 08
      Quote: faterdom
      And then among the comments there are a lot of biased praises for the American admirals: they protect their personnel, and if necessary, they will crush Hezbollah into powder, in short, they are handsome men, the likes of which the world has never seen...

      Yes, yes... Only there are a couple of nuances
      Firstly, the US Air Force demonstrated its capabilities in combat. The Iraqi coastal defense units were unlikely to be much worse than Hamas. And they even tried to use anti-ship missiles. Unsuccessfully.
      Secondly, people are alive who tracked down and “played tag” with American AUS during the Soviet era. And they understand very well what kind of animals they are.
      Unlike you.
      Quote: faterdom
      Just like the IDF, MOSSAD and the Knesset - great and terrible, but... yesterday, in the sense before 07.10.

      And what about the RF Armed Forces until February 24.02.2022, XNUMX?
  16. -7
    24 November 2023 11: 44
    Has anyone tried to create an anti-ship MLRS?
    A package of 20-30 simple and cheap missiles, with a solid fuel accelerator, and a flight range of at least 70-100 km.
    They are launched in a pack in the direction of the targets. Navigated by GPS. Equipped with passive guidance via two channels. Thermal, so that it is simply aimed at the thermal targets of the ships themselves. And a radio in case someone highlights targets.
    By entering data for launch, the missiles are given the coordinates and direction of the target and the point of activation of the homing heads. The salvo may additionally contain a pair of missiles with a different homing head. Where the infrared head was removed and replaced with a radio beam guidance head with its OWN illumination. Then, as it approaches, it begins to irradiate the sector opposite itself, and illuminate not only itself, but also other ships with missiles.

    Of course, it won’t be difficult to dodge or shoot down such missiles. But their essence is the possibility of mass launch in a large batch. And it will be difficult to shoot down a large, dense group of such ships.
    Especially if those missiles with active homing heads do not turn on immediately, but at different times, so that they won’t give themselves away to everyone at once.
    1. +6
      24 November 2023 12: 14
      Quote: Mustachioed Kok
      They are launched in a pack in the direction of the targets. Navigated by GPS. Equipped with passive guidance via two channels. Thermal, so that it is simply aimed at the thermal targets of the ships themselves. And a radio in case someone highlights targets.

      That is, full-fledged anti-ship missiles with PARGSN and backup passive thermal.
      Quote: Mustachioed Kok
      A package of 20-30 simple and cheap missiles, with a solid fuel accelerator, and a flight range of at least 70-100 km.

      Now imagine the dimensions of a “simple and cheap” rocket. If the RS from "Smerch" flies 120 km, but weighs 800 kg, carries only 100 kg of explosives (which is great for troops, but not much for ships) and no seeker
      Maybe ordinary anti-ship missiles are simpler? :)))))
      1. -2
        24 November 2023 14: 09
        100 kg. Of course, there are not many warheads. And it’s very difficult to sink a ship with them. But I don’t suggest giving up anti-ship missiles.
        And in combination - they are capable of helping “normal” anti-ship missiles sink a ship.
        Firstly, they will take over some of the ship’s air defense systems, overloading them with quantity. Even if the system can determine the priority and danger of targets, they cannot completely ignore many small missiles, and therefore will be forced to occupy part of their channels and ammunition to combat small missiles.
        Secondly, although the charge is really not enough to sink a ship, they can damage its antenna, guidance and target designation systems, damage missile cells or cause a fire. The mass launch of such missiles will allow at least a couple to pass air defense. And those, in turn, can damage important ship systems, making it easier for normal anti-ship missiles to hit the ship.
        One missile broke through and exploded, destroying one of the ship's AFAR panels - now an entire sector of the "Blind" ship. The missile hit the forward short-range missile and gun anti-aircraft installation - that’s it, now there are fewer air defense systems in the short-range air defense system. The missile hit the helipad - now it will not be possible to use it for launching and landing helicopters for some time.

        And besides, modern ships are mostly (but not always) quite “cardboard”. Therefore, ships of small displacement (corvettes or frigates) can be seriously damaged and temporarily disabled even by 100 kg. explosives. Large destroyers, cruisers or aircraft carriers 100 kg. They won’t sink, but there are a lot of small ships. Yes, and even one burst 100 kg. a rocket - if it hits successfully, it can make a lot of noise. One missile has little chance of becoming a “golden bullet”. But if it was a massive salvo of dozens of such missiles (maybe even about a hundred), in combination with several normal anti-ship missiles, they are capable of turning around even a large naval formation.

        But this is so - fantasies about whether some kind of “land” solutions can be offered to the fleet.
    2. +4
      24 November 2023 14: 17
      Navigated by GPS

      only against stationary targets. Ships are not one of these.
      Equipped with passive guidance via two channels. Thermal, so that it is simply aimed at the thermal targets of the ships themselves. And a radio in case someone highlights targets.

      Ships have long had proven protection against such targeting.
      For example, the Mk36 SRBOC jamming system, for which jamming has been developed for both the radio range and the tempo range using passive fireable decoys. There are also active ones, like Nulka, which creates a false target away from the ship.

      There is also electronic warfare capable of creating false targets and simply jamming, including those that lead away in azimuth and range, like the AN/SLQ-32

      and these systems on ships are incomparably more powerful than on aircraft, and have repeatedly proven their effectiveness against specialized anti-ship missiles.
      To overcome this, you need serious and expensive seekers, which there is no point in installing on cheap mass-produced missiles.
    3. 0
      27 November 2023 23: 35
      Mustached Kok
      Well, well...About how to shower the enemy fleet with a bunch of rubble. Most, if not all, of your MLRS missiles will hit the water around ships
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    1. +1
      24 November 2023 13: 17
      The Gaza Strip, yes, but there is another Palestine there, and that’s where they will move. And the Jews will give money for the improvement. This will be the subject of the agreement and the solution to the problem, after the cleansing of Hamas. And the UN decision on the Palestinians having their own state will be fulfilled. Although Jews probably don't really like the Arab enclave, right in the center of Israel.
  18. -3
    24 November 2023 15: 20
    If it arrives and the missile defense system turns out to be powerless... the king is naked! (c) This will immediately negate the meaning of the AUG and the rights of states as a hegemon... Therefore, I’m even sure that there will be no abossers in Cuba for the same reason... laughing You can look, but you can't touch
  19. +2
    24 November 2023 16: 43
    Nothing anti-ship can come from Gaza.
  20. +1
    24 November 2023 17: 31
    The conclusions in the article are somewhat incorrect. The US Navy command has nothing to fear for its AUGs for the simple reason that even if Hezbollah (or someone else) is able to launch a couple of anti-ship missiles, the air defense system of the American AUG has enough capabilities to neutralize them. Today, potential adversaries of the United States do not have the strength to conduct a full-fledged attack on the American AUG, or they have no desire to start World War III, without having a single serious reason.
    1. +1
      24 November 2023 19: 18
      Quote: Aron Finkilstein
      Potential adversaries of the United States currently do not have the strength to conduct a full-fledged attack on the American AUG,

      Have you completely forgotten about the PRC and the Russian Federation or are you pretending...(?)
      or there is no desire to start the Third World War, without having any serious reason for it.

      But here you are right. To start a “third-level showdown,” you need very serious reasons, at the level of national (or even vital) interests of the state, which the Yankees have encroached on... And this can only be a nuclear power. Having thrown away the “allies” and sympathizers, China and Russia remain again...
      AHA.
  21. +2
    24 November 2023 20: 58
    I have already written earlier that the American AUG is a fairly stable formation that has modern layered defense and excellent strike capabilities. Therefore, Iranian anti-ship missiles are not a serious threat to the AUG, whose command simply adheres to the established competent tactics...
  22. -1
    25 November 2023 00: 28
    The problem with aircraft carriers is the great vulnerability of the nuclear power plant, although a simple damage to 1-2 propellers and no escort will help it. There is no serious problem of damaging or sinking aircraft carriers, they are not participants in the conflict.
    As one old commander of a WWII-era submarine said, if you tie a torpedo to a log, aim by eye and give it a start, then maybe they won’t sink from one, but a dozen torpedoes launched at point-blank range will sink even an unsinkable aircraft carrier.
    1. +5
      25 November 2023 07: 39
      Quote: kot-begemot
      The problem with aircraft carriers is the high vulnerability of the nuclear power plant

      How is that?:)))))
      Quote: kot-begemot
      and here are a dozen torpedoes launched at point blank range

      All that's left to do is deliver these 10 torpedoes point blank.
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  24. -1
    25 November 2023 13: 21
    Západní země poskytují Ukrajině výkonnější zbraně s delším doletem, dá se předpokládat, že Rusko bude také zbraně s delším dosahem dodávat "svým spojencům"....
  25. 0
    27 November 2023 17: 45
    There is probably an opportunity to even the score for the cruiser *capital* by transferring sea bastions in containers to the Houthis, because the amers are not shy
  26. +1
    27 November 2023 23: 50
    A very illiterate article by an “erudite” but illiterate and not at all thinking “author”. Does Roman Skomorokhov know how many missiles are needed to hit an aircraft carrier? And what, will its air defense/missile defense be silent during such a salvo launch? So, is this rocket a needle? Is it so easy to deliver a large and complex product, and at least 8-10, or even more pieces, to a territory that is fairly controlled by various means, and from different sides? What, drag it through tunnels? You still need to get to these tunnels from Egypt, and Egypt is not its own enemy to let such toys through. And in Egypt there are still crowds of Mossad agents roaming around, and the locals are not averse to leaking interesting information for money.
    Should I bring it in parts and assemble it? Well, one, well, two are still possible, if there are highly qualified specialists, but a whole series? The author considers Hamas militants to be supermen! This is not whittling Kassams out of pipes! Regarding aircraft carriers “afraid of the coast.” Does the author know that aircraft carriers generally only approach the shore in specially equipped bays? They have, you know, a lot of draft, and Hamas militants are in no way to blame for this. Actually, aircraft carriers were created as floating airfields with a long arm in the form of carrier-based aircraft. I don’t know when this will end, either lameness, or mockery on the part of this author, and when will people learn to take the crap out of their ears?
    1. 0
      28 November 2023 00: 00
      Lebanon is a different matter. This is not a concentration camp fenced on all sides like Gaza. An entire fleet can be delivered there without interference. But, I emphasize once again, the American AUG also does not need to approach foreign shores
      1. 0
        28 November 2023 00: 24
        The author shows ignorance of another important point. An anti-ship missile (ASM) is not a miracle weapon that will fly anywhere at the snap of a finger. Radar is used to guide it during launch. And a radar with a range of several tens, or even 100 km, is a structure with a fairly large antenna, and even raised to a height (the Earth, in fact, is round))). How do you propose to deliver this to Gaza and deploy it undetected? And when it is turned on, its radiation will immediately be detected by American and Israeli Hawkeyes darting over the sea, and within 5-10 minutes a missile will arrive via radar. It is no coincidence that when Hezbollah began to use anti-ship missiles, Israeli aircraft began to knock out Lebanese coastal radars that were used for target designation.
        ...Computer scientists have a word “lamer”, which means not just an ignoramus, but an ignoramus who is fiercely confident in his professionalism
  27. 0
    19 January 2024 01: 31
    نوع موشک بود که به ناو جنگی هانیت کلاس ایلات آسیب رساند

    موشک کوثر بود