Ambush as one of the tactical methods of modern combat

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Ambush as one of the tactical methods of modern combat

Yesterday I witnessed a conversation among students from one of the universities about the actions of our units in the North Military District zone. Honestly, I again remembered my school childhood and NVP lessons. What we, ninth-graders, knew even then, is a perfect Terra incognita for today’s students of a higher educational institution. A dispute arose over why almost all reports of victories of our units mention intelligence officers.

What did I not hear? Reconnaissance is all about maulers, capable of single-handedly destroying an entire platoon. The most motivated fighters serve in reconnaissance. Scout commanders are forced to restrain them from performing exploits. Well, and other tales from modern action films and short stories. I admit, I couldn’t resist. I asked if they had seen photos or videos of those scouts, thanks to whom the enemy suffered the greatest losses?



Exactly the same as them, young men who will not be different from them on the street. Those same intelligence operators dronesThanks to whom artillerymen, tank crews, motorized riflemen, paratroopers, marines and all our other soldiers work so successfully? Thanks to their guidance, paratroopers, marines, attack aircraft and everyone else act.

And he reminded me about motivation. Is a reconnaissance officer really more motivated than a Ural driver delivering ammunition or fuel to the LBS? Or what about the orderly who pulls the wounded from the battlefield amid cluster munition explosions? Maybe a sniper in the gray zone is inferior in motivation to scouts? Are the “grandfathers” from “BARS” also inferior in motivation? I didn’t even ask about stormtroopers.

Somehow the conversation naturally turned to specific examples. In particular, to the feat of the crew tank "Alyosha." It’s strange, but for some reason my interlocutors forgot the very intelligence officer who made this feat possible. The same fighter with the medal “For Courage”, who became famous for his emotional commentary on the battle. And in battle he aimed the tank at the enemy with the help of his drone.


I don’t know if the picture has been preserved in “Stories of the ancient world”, in which cavemen stone a mammoth caught in a pit, or not, this is a classic use of ambush in battle today. Lure the enemy into a “pit” and unexpectedly “throw stones at him.” Only instead of a mammoth there is a tank, and instead of a stone there is a grenade launcher or ATGM.

But the most important thing is that I realized that the guys simply don’t know the most basic things about battle tactics. “Alyosha” carried out the defeat of the enemy using an ancient method of hunting the enemy known to cavemen - an ambush. This is what prompted the writing of this material. Tell in an accessible form about an ambush as one of the types of military operations.

Such a simple and complex way of waging war


There is probably no person who does not know how an ambush works. At the same time, there is no army whose fighters would not fall into ambushes. This is such a paradox. We know everything about ambushes, but we still fall for this trick. What I will write about below is known to professionals, so it will not be interesting. This article is for those guys with whom I talked, and for those who want to understand the essence of the military’s actions in a given situation.

Probably, an ambush is one of the most terrible situations a fighter or unit can find themselves in. The previously cited example of the feat of the Alyosha tank perfectly illustrates this. One vehicle was able to destroy several enemy combat vehicles at once. At the same time, it also preserves its own combat effectiveness. From here, by the way, you can independently draw a conclusion about what an ambush is in general.

So, an ambush is (no matter how trivial it may sound) a sudden attack from a hidden position on an enemy on the move or in temporary stops. “Alyosha” attacked the enemy at the moment of moving into position and thereby deprived him of the opportunity to organize at least some kind of defense. The combat vehicles simply did not have time to determine the location of the enemy and became targets. Well, the help of artillery should not be overlooked.

Let's continue to study the feat of "Alyosha".

What did the tank crew do before the attack on the enemy convoy? The tank controlled a certain area of ​​responsibility. Similar to a sentry on duty. In order to prevent a surprise attack by enemy forces on our positions.

The attack itself was carried out suddenly, without prior preparation. The commander has the right to make such a decision independently. Consequently, such an ambush may well be called sudden or unprepared. A surprise attack that led to the destruction of the enemy. That is, we see the first (according to our classification) type of ambush - sudden.

Now let’s fast forward to the area where another battle for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is now being formed, near Avdeevka. I have already written that the time will come when supplying the garrison can be carried out along a limited number of roads. Today we see this in reality. The roads remain, but they are all controlled by our artillery.

Simply put, the Russian Army prepared artillery ambushes for Ukrainian equipment. Columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are moving along the roads and are well aware that somewhere they can be ambushed. They will be shot by artillery and aviation Russians. Moreover, where this can happen and whether it will happen at all, only God and Russian intelligence know. This is another type of ambush - prepared ambushes.

If in the first case everything was done “from scratch”. Intelligence provided the coordinates of the column, its composition, and the commander decided to attack. At the same time, the fire was conducted not at long range, but almost directly.

In the second case, the artillerymen not only prepared data for gunners to fire on certain sections of the road, but also determined with great accuracy the distances to all landmarks for shooting. In this case, the likelihood of complete defeat is much higher.

Ambushes can be divided according to goals and objectives.

If you simply need to destroy as much manpower and equipment as possible, without the goal of complete destruction, it is easier to organize an ambush in one affected area. That is, distribute the group in one place, assign each priority targets that it is desirable to hit. The concentration of forces and resources in one place will provide the firepower of the attack. But it will give the enemy the opportunity, under favorable conditions, to save at least someone...

If it is necessary to completely destroy the enemy, the commander deploys the unit in two or even several places. In this case, firepower is somewhat lost, but all escape routes for the enemy are practically blocked. This method is more difficult, requires more trained and professional fighters and does not allow mistakes. Sometimes one person controls a direction. Which dramatically increases his responsibility for completing the task.

What I wrote above applies to any ambushes.

Now a little about special units that use ambushes, for example, to capture “tongues”. This does not mean that such ambushes are not organized by other units. So, let’s assume that it is necessary to take “language” without specifics.

In this case, it is enough to organize the so-called. linear ambush. Simply put, the group is located along the road and, as the enemy advances, attacks the convoy in order to stop the transport and capture a prisoner. It doesn’t matter at all who it will be. “Then we’ll count and determine.” Again, it is easier to organize such a capture, and the unit’s losses will be minimal, and in a normal situation, the operation will take place without any losses at all.

It's a completely different matter if you need to take someone specifically. The most hated order for any commander. It sounds beautiful in the movies: “take it at any cost.” In battle there is only one price - life. In this case, a slightly different ambush is organized. Most often somewhere at turns or in places where the road narrows.

The division is divided into two parts. The main one is the one that organizes the linear ambush, which is described above, and the capture groups. The task of this group is to completely block the road and prevent the enemy from breaking through. That is, if you look from above, the ambush looks like the letter “G”.

Is it possible to avoid an ambush?


A lot can be said about ambushes. What is written above is just the basics of fighting using this method. Further, each commander has the right to invent maneuvers himself. The main thing is to achieve your goal. The commander of a unit that is being “hunted” by the enemy acts in exactly the same way. Starting from powerful artillery systems and ending with headquarters.

It helps to understand the principles on which an ambush is built. It is clear that where there is a real opportunity to “get punched in the face,” that is, to die without completing the task, not a single commander will set up an ambush. This is what we will proceed from.

So, in order for the ambush to be successful, the commander must choose a place for the ambush where the probability of hitting the enemy will be greatest. It is equally important that your own ambush is not exposed to enemy guards or patrols. That is, the ambush must have good camouflage, or better yet, cover from its own artillery or aviation.

Next is the possibility of a counter-operation by the enemy. And this is a strike in the back or from the flanks.

Simply put, you need to choose a place where the enemy cannot quickly launch a counterattack by transferring units from the nearest garrison. Ambush forces are limited and not designed to counter regular enemy units. Unless, of course, the ambush is organized on the LBS or in the gray zone. But there the enemy will act differently.

Let's move on to the most important thing.

The commander is obliged not only to complete the task, but also to bring the group after completion, as far as possible without losses, to his own. That is, at the ambush site there must be some kind of protective obstacles, such as a forest, a gardening community, destroyed buildings, and so on. In short, everything that will stop the enemy’s advance with minimal expenditure of personnel.

These same obstacles are taken into account when laying out possible escape routes.

Knowing everything I wrote about above, it is not difficult to understand how to avoid an ambush.

But here it is important to emphasize that we are talking only about a prepared ambush. It is almost impossible to foresee an attack by some wandering tank or wandering mortar. It is possible to guess the location of the next attack, but it is impossible to predict it with certainty.

The best remedy is the same as the remedy for those who will ambush. Route reconnaissance! The same drones that will probe and identify all new growths along the route. The next step is simpler. The most terrible enemy of a column is a monotonous route of movement. You shouldn't drive on the same road twice. The same must be said about the main roads. The likelihood of an ambush on a highway is much higher than on field roads.

As paradoxical as it may sound, you can avoid an ambush by joining a large and well-armed column. An ambush is most often small in number, and there will be no attack on a large group of units or units.

Well, traffic at night. The risk of attack at night increases significantly. It is clear that it is completely impossible to disguise headlights at night. And the “slits” provide little light. The column moves much slower.

Instead of ending


I don’t know whether it’s worth continuing to talk about the tactics and strategy of modern combat. The knowledge is so specific and individual that it is of little use for widespread use. I repeat, this material was written for those who want to understand the actions of certain units and units in various conditions.

Concluding the article, I want to express one more banality. The main thing in modern combat, as it was in all previous wars, is the originality and surprise of actions. The element of surprise is the most important factor in victory. By the way, the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces largely failed because it was widely announced in the media.

The Russian Army has repeatedly demonstrated such actions on the battlefields of the Northern Military District. Sometimes they baffled analysts and experts. However, in the long run they turned out to be correct. The war has truly changed. The price of human life has risen sharply. Never before have opponents spent so much effort on eliminating one person.

It is still impossible to calculate the amount of ammunition spent by armies to eliminate one fighter, but I am sure that when this is done, and this will definitely happen, the numbers will stun many...
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  1. +1
    23 November 2023 02: 54
    The war has truly changed. The price of human life has risen sharply. Never before have opponents spent so much effort on eliminating one person.

    The war has truly changed. Well-thought-out tactics and a proven strategy today make it possible to destroy hundreds (in a favorable situation) of enemy fighters without incurring losses among your own personnel.
    Ambush is one of the ancient methods of warfare (guerrilla warfare tactics). It can be very effective against a strong and numerous enemy. ambushes and traps were often used by the Vietnamese against the American occupiers.
    1. +13
      23 November 2023 04: 55
      I would recommend that the author, before writing an article, read Mikhail Efimovich Katukov’s book “At the Edge of the Main Strike.” For me, Katukov brought and polished tank ambush tactics to perfection. Then maybe the author would not throw around words like “the war has changed.” Nothing new under the sun. Whether then or now, the highest professionalism, endurance, courage and tactical skill are required.
      1. +1
        23 November 2023 07: 06
        An ambush in a “positional dead end” is, it must be understood, a rare phenomenon, which makes it doubly valuable.
      2. +2
        23 November 2023 09: 16
        In the Northern Military District they fight using WWII methods.
        And the author of the article tells you about this for a long time, giving such weight to his conclusions.
        What about modern warfare? But what about the revolution in military affairs, based on new information technologies and intelligence means? Maybe the author doesn’t know that modern warfare is non-contact or remote and there is no line of combat contact in it! And there is a positional area or combat area. Yes, you cannot completely forget about contact combat, but this is an unplanned, reserve battle, a battle in a critical situation in a modern war.
        They'll think what an idiot with sick fantasies. We don’t have this, some will say this doesn’t happen, others will say with bitterness that we can’t do that...
        But what about the “new type” army, which was created by one of our “geniuses of military science”? Where is she? I would sit and be silent at my headquarters, but no, they say we have an advanced army, an army of a “new type”.
        In this advanced army they fight like in the Second World War. With storming of cities, with oncoming battles, with tank duels, with artillery work across squares, with blind bombing, with huge losses,... And they also say that this is how it should be... With ambushes, with different types of ambushes, and so on ...
        In this Headquarters there is no concept of modern war, no concept of modern combat... Again, everything is based on the heroism and self-sacrifice of the Russian soldier and officer. This will not work. This is how you can’t win in the Northern Military District. We don’t need stupid, but loyal ones under the crack of the same political scientists... Leave or think, otherwise you’ll have to answer...
        The tasks of the SVO can be solved in full in six months on the basis of existing funds, while reducing losses by an order of magnitude.
        23.11. 2023
        Time is running out!
        1. -3
          23 November 2023 14: 08
          Quote: Totvolk80
          Maybe the author doesn’t know that modern warfare is non-contact or remote and there is no line of combat contact in it! And there is a positional area or combat area. Yes, you cannot completely forget about contact combat, but this is an unplanned, reserve battle, a battle in a critical situation in a modern war.
          They'll think what an idiot with sick fantasies. We don’t have this, some will say this doesn’t happen, others will say with bitterness that we can’t do that...

          Without justifying the competence of the staff, but this is not about non-contact wars. With such a large-scale theater of war as it is now in Ukraine, even the Americans will not have enough contactless communications. Somehow they never crushed the Taliban with their entire military machine and fled shamefully. And the same Jews with their super-technological IDF on a piece of land 10x40 km can’t figure it out without contact. So much so that Hamas forces simply install IEDs on their tanks and infantry fighting vehicles on the move)))
        2. 0
          10 February 2024 16: 05
          Totvolk80
          Does everything you wrote cancel ambushes?
          And the Americans tried to wage non-contact wars back in Vietnam. And ambushes became the favorite method of the Vietnamese. Including anti-aircraft ambushes
  2. +9
    23 November 2023 03: 59
    This is how I had to fight in Grozny on January 6-7, 2000 (I won’t tell you the street - only those who were there and 1 other person know). He was a signalman and had combat training almost for show. But only since childhood with weapons and at that time was not a military man, now in the 4th generation he became then.
    The company commander (not the company commander, I mean the sniper) was almost immediately wounded (which was given). They moved forward to the combined riot police, they were jammed specifically, to clarify the situation, so to speak. In the end they got there themselves. Later it turned out that they had run into each other and were forced to retreat with losses. And they occupied several houses hundreds of meters deep into the building.
    Actually, the department's commander, and we are friends, and he actually brought me there to "hell" - he gave me Andrey's IED - get in touch, do what you know how. He gave one conscript to cover and another one with a machine gun belt to reload into the stores. In general, in that battle I fired 170 shots... didn’t count +-. Mikha (actually the squad leader acted as number 2 and then for 4 years we went through two tamars walking in pairs... that’s what they called us). The battle lasted almost 8 hours. As a result, the riot police made their way to us and first gave us a horse (80) for support, then 2 more boxes. That's how I became a company commander at first.
    Z.Y. The result of the battle from our combined squad was also 1 killed, 9 wounded, including me. I can’t say the details because it’s possible to restore who and where + I gave an interview to a YouTube channel not so long ago.
    Z.Y.Y. On January 27, I received a serious... month of hospitalization. Then the active fighting in Grozny ended... it joined back when it was transferred to Komsomolskoye. He was in the cordon and supported the boys, being already officially a company commander (and outside the military staff). Well, the company commanders with Mikha in the first were still part of Rokhlin’s group
  3. -4
    23 November 2023 04: 21
    You have to act like in duck hunting. You place decoys and wait for the crested one :))
    1. 0
      23 November 2023 04: 56
      Quote: CYYC
      You place decoys and wait for the crested one :))

      And a piece of lard as bait wink
      1. -1
        23 November 2023 09: 36
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        And a piece of lard as bait

        Shall we keep the vodka for ourselves? laughing
        1. -1
          23 November 2023 09: 59
          Quote from Enceladus
          Shall we keep the vodka for ourselves?

          Let’s pour “hawthorn” into vodka bottles...
        2. +1
          23 November 2023 10: 32
          Quote from Enceladus
          Let's keep the vodka for ourselves

          Of course! wink
  4. +13
    23 November 2023 04: 27
    Hmm... Well, what can I say? Never mind. Only that the article voices the point of view of a completely CIVIL person who is poorly versed in military terms and terminologies...
  5. +12
    23 November 2023 05: 04
    Actually, that battle was more like a counter battle, because from an ambush one does not approach the enemy; rather, on the contrary, the enemy must rush towards the ambush, with nuances of course. And NOBODY aimed the tank, due to lack of communication with it, here the author inattentively watched the episode.
    1. +6
      23 November 2023 11: 49
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Actually, that fight was more like a counter fight,

      This is a maneuverable defense. The tank did not act independently. He supported the infantry, and they were all supported by artillery. And he did not act from ambushes, as the author writes, but from firing lines.
      The most typical example of a fire ambush was the battle of a platoon under the command of Lieutenant Oskin in the early morning of August 12, 1944 at the Sandomirov bridgehead. Where, in a short battle, three “Royal Tigers” were destroyed, on the way to advance to our flank...
  6. +13
    23 November 2023 05: 04
    I don’t know whether it’s worth continuing to talk about the tactics and strategy of modern combat. The knowledge is so specific and individual that it is of little use for widespread use.
    A self-confident statement. Has Staver comprehended something unknown and incomprehensible in military science? Where are we, poor people...
  7. +2
    23 November 2023 06: 57
    [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W5QYdfQhmc]
    Great War. Episode 7 Stalingrad. StarMedia. Babich-Design
    I believe that you also need to attack and choose the place of impact. This is how it was in Stalingrad, when the entire enemy group was surrounded.
    Listen to what they say in the film about urban battles. This is a rat war.
    Donbass sat in ambush for 8 years until the Ukrainian army surpassed them, and there was a time when Donbass troops went on the offensive.
    An offensive operation is now needed in Donbass. With the involvement of great forces. So you can sit in the trenches for years. Well, if you don't want to resolve the issue.
    Then, the offensive must be carried out after serious artillery strikes, and the faster you move from point a to point b, the more of you will remain alive. An example of movement on the roads.
    They will throw reserves at our expense, and we will finish them off with aviation and missile forces.
    This is how weapons will be wasted right now, there will be no effect.
    Then watch the video about Stalingrad when the Nazis bombed our planes, they tried to get closer to the German positions. The closer, the less likely it is that they will shoot at their own people.
    Stalingrad became a turning point in the war, when we captured some of the most combat-ready units
    They will send more and more troops, and you will shoot endlessly.
    During the Great Patriotic War, there were so many encirclements, but you can’t even break through the enemy’s defenses. Think about your tactics
    When there is a breakthrough to their rear, they no longer have the same defense as on the first lines
    In order to pass some kind of defense line, it must be bombarded with artillery bombardment, any means must be used. Nobody says that you should be thrown under machine guns
    This is how the war will go on for 10 years without an offensive
  8. -1
    23 November 2023 07: 22
    The Great Patriotic War. We were only retreating until 1943. And in 1943, they carried out two offensive operations, one of which was successful in Stalingrad. And near Rzhev the enemy retreated.
    Ukraine is trying to break through with all its might, following the same example
    Those who advance, they calculate your positions and hit with artillery, is this better for those who will sit there?
    What is going on right now is a reconnaissance battle, they approached, figure out where they are shooting from and then there is an artillery strike and again an offensive from them
    Or maybe it’s better not to sit, but to break through the defense somewhere with all your might and the front will collapse?
    And to strike, you need organization in the army and execution of orders. So that there would be fewer casualties. There are definitely those who don’t want to die there, no one wants to die.
    Everyone is at risk, including the pilot of the plane, knowing that he is flying on his last journey if he is shot down, and the tanker could burn out in the tank. And when you all support each other together you can win
  9. +2
    23 November 2023 08: 31
    How do students know anything about the war? If only from American films, there were no other sources for a very long time. No one was involved in education, no one needed it, that’s why the ideas are like that.
    1. -1
      23 November 2023 14: 16
      There were sources. Penalty, bastards...
      This is the kind of war they know.
  10. +4
    23 November 2023 08: 44
    During school time, NVP lessons did not teach any combat knowledge or skills at all. At most, they acquired the skills of disassembling and assembling a Kalashnikov assault rifle. This is all! The rest of the time, gas masks, a description of the effects of chemical warfare agents, drill training, artificial respiration and other Civil Defense. And in the same Ukraine they study the textbook of a sergeant of motorized rifle troops, this is real initial military training.
    1. +2
      23 November 2023 10: 29
      During school time, NVP lessons did not teach any combat knowledge or skills at all. At most, they acquired the skills of disassembling and assembling a Kalashnikov assault rifle. This is all! The rest of the time, gas masks, a description of the effects of chemical warfare agents, drill training, artificial respiration and other Civil Defense. And in the same Ukraine they study the textbook of a sergeant of motorized rifle troops, this is real initial military training.


      It all depended on the personality of the teacher. We had a front-line officer. During the four years of school, I dug more trenches, including pits for toilets, which were given as “incentives” for AWOLs, than there were more trenches in the full profile during the 5 days of training camp after the ninth grade.
      1. +3
        23 November 2023 10: 39
        Nothing depended on the personality of the teacher; we also had a front-line officer. He also led a shooting circle. There is a curriculum, if it is drill training and not a sergeant’s textbook, then nothing can be done.
        1. +2
          23 November 2023 15: 48
          Nothing depended on the personality of the teacher; we also had a front-line officer. He also led a shooting circle. There is a curriculum, if it is drill training and not a sergeant’s textbook, then nothing can be done.


          That's it, the program, have you even seen a Soviet textbook on NVP?
          Enlighten yourself.
          https://sheba.spb.ru/shkola/nvp-1985.htm
          1. +1
            23 November 2023 16: 07
            We didn’t have such a textbook, I’m a little older.
            1. +2
              23 November 2023 17: 00
              We didn’t have such a textbook, I’m a little older.


              Believe it or not, this didn’t happen to me either. In 1985, I had already been a lieutenant for a year. lol There was another one, from 1973. Regardless of why it was there, I kept it.

              If you have any questions, I can make scans a little later.
          2. 0
            30 November 2023 21: 28
            The picture is not visible. What would a textbook be without them?
  11. +1
    23 November 2023 08: 55
    modern conflict is characterized by the presence of ubiquitous drones, no one guarantees that the “hunter” will not become “prey” at the moment of preparing an ambush, positions can be successfully determined from drones and then the “hunters” will not be envied...
    1. +1
      23 November 2023 23: 44
      Quote: Max1984
      modern conflict is characterized by the presence of ubiquitous drones, no one guarantees that the “hunter” will not become “prey” at the moment of preparing an ambush, positions can be successfully determined from drones and then the “hunters” will not be envied...

      The truth of life...
      Attack an enemy column in order to take "language" - only in the movies...
      "Language" = the enemy fighter went alone “to the wind” at night - he became a “tongue”.
      Taking a “tongue” of a predetermined rank is a whole special operation for reconnaissance - determine the place of passage through the LBS, the place where a “tongue” in the desired rank can appear or is constantly arriving, wait until the “tongue” is available for capture, capture... leave with meta capture, go to your side through LBS...
      For a school NVP it’s somehow a bit much, except perhaps for intelligence schools...
      And more "Generals are preparing for PAST wars" - were preparing for the Second World War, ended up in Afghanistan and Chechnya, prepared for a “guerrilla war” - ended up in South Ossetia on 08.08.08/2022/XNUMX and Syria, prepared to fight ISIS - ended up in Ukraine in XNUMX...
      hi
    2. 0
      30 November 2023 21: 30
      Nothing new. And before there was aerial reconnaissance, satellite reconnaissance, drones - Swift, Reis, etc.
  12. +3
    23 November 2023 09: 58
    Route reconnaissance! The same drones that will probe and identify all new growths along the route.

    This action can also serve as a sign that someone will soon follow the route. Also, by reconnoitering the route in any place, you can set off a suspected ambush on the wrong trail. These games are more complicated than they might seem at first glance.
  13. +9
    23 November 2023 10: 24
    The attack itself was carried out suddenly, without prior preparation. The commander has the right to make such a decision independently. Consequently, such an ambush may well be called sudden or unprepared. A surprise attack that led to the destruction of the enemy. That is, we see the first (according to our classification) type of ambush - sudden.

    Judging by the presentation, the text was written by a deeply civilian person who had never served in the army, all of whose military knowledge was contained in the Soviet school course of NVP. That is, the author’s tactical training corresponds to the level of a ninth-grader in a Soviet school.
    The tank battle described in the article by the author is called a fire ambush in “military” language.
    A fire ambush in defense is set up in order to inflict maximum damage on the enemy.
    defeat by surprise direct fire, dagger fire and the use of mine-explosive barriers. A platoon (squad, tank), reinforced
    flamethrowers and sappers.
    A fire ambush is usually organized in tank-dangerous directions in front of the front line, in
    depth of the company strong point (battalion defense area), in the intervals between them or on
    flanks, in places that make it difficult for the enemy to quickly deploy and maneuver for
    getting out from under the fire.

    BATTLE MANUAL FOR PREPARATION AND CONDUCT OF COMMON-ARMS COMBAT, part 3, PLATOON, SECTION, TANK.
  14. +1
    23 November 2023 10: 26
    Yesterday I witnessed a conversation among students from one of the universities about the actions of our units in the North Military District zone. Honestly, I again remembered my school childhood and NVP lessons.


    It’s interesting, in addition to the NVP lessons, does the author of the article have other military experience?

    It is still impossible to calculate the amount of ammunition spent by armies to eliminate one fighter, but I am sure that when this is done, and this will definitely happen, the numbers will stun many...


    With this everything is just clear. Another thing is curious: who will one day count how much money the military-industrial complex and its retinue will consume in the production of weapons and the development of all sorts of wunderwaffes?
    Especially how much soldier’s blood will be shed for this so that the profit is maximized.
    Take the same UAVs, in whose super abilities armchair experts so sacredly believe thanks to propaganda. They are quite easy to multiply by zero. Even without a significant investment in all sorts of jammers. We are simply returning 7,62 and 12,7 calibers to the troops as anti-aircraft weapons in addition. As an addition to self-propelled guns and towed ones. For a UAV, one 7,62 bullet is more than enough.
    Also develop fragmentation grenades with remote detonation for under-barrel grenade launchers and the ability to install it. And also smoke grenades to create a smoke cloud from above.
    But no one will agree to this, because gigantic amounts of money are made from UAVs, and any attempt against, from the point of view of capital, is a crime.
    1. +2
      23 November 2023 10: 42
      Take the same UAVs... They are quite easy to multiply by zero. Even without a significant investment in all sorts of jammers. We are simply returning 7,62 and 12,7 calibers to the troops as anti-aircraft weapons in addition. As an addition to self-propelled guns and towed ones. For a UAV, one 7,62 bullet is more than enough.
      Also develop fragmentation grenades with remote detonation for under-barrel grenade launchers and the ability to install it. And also smoke grenades to create a smoke cloud from above.

      How absurd and completely out of touch with reality.
      But no one will agree to this, because gigantic amounts of money are made from UAVs, and any attempt against, from the point of view of capital, is a crime.

      From the capital's point of view, weapons manufacturers only need ongoing wars, not the need to introduce new concepts. Nammo now has an excess profit of 300% not on technical innovations, but on seemingly banal shells.
      1. +2
        23 November 2023 11: 12
        How absurd and completely out of touch with reality.


        You have an itch again, it happens. lol
        I didn’t say anything new, everything has already existed for a long time, and remote detonation, and the destruction of low-speed 7,62-caliber CCs and setting up a smoke screen that just covers from above.
        By the way, there has been some progress regarding smoke grenades for infantry.
        https://topwar.ru/221889-novaja-ruchnaja-dymovaja-granata-rdg-u-dlja-zaschity-ot-vysokotochnyh-raket-gotova-k-zapusku-v-seriju.html
        But for now, alas, this is not enough. And what do you think is the problem with equipping FOG with such a composition?

        From the capital's point of view, weapons manufacturers only need ongoing wars, not the need to introduce new concepts. Nammo now has an excess profit of 300% not on technical innovations, but on seemingly banal shells.


        What if you don’t need to produce anything, just put nameplates on Chinese crafts? laughing
        1. +3
          23 November 2023 11: 59
          Even the Israeli Merkava equipped with KAZ turned out to be defenseless against drones. But KAZ, in theory, should protect against ATGMs and even against mines and shells.
          1. +3
            23 November 2023 12: 23
            But KAZ, in theory, should protect against ATGMs and even against mines and shells.

            The KAZ protects against what it is designed to protect against, and it is designed according to the customer’s technical specifications.
            Even the Israeli Merkava equipped with KAZ turned out to be defenseless against drones.

            Trophies were developed against second-generation RPGs and ATGMs. They'll work it out.
        2. +3
          23 November 2023 12: 02
          And what do you think is the problem with equipping FOG with such a composition?

          The problem is the lack of meaning - this in no way solves the problem with UAVs (using the example of the conflict in Ukraine, in particular).
          What if you don’t need to produce anything, just put nameplates on Chinese crafts?

          Have you reduced the UAV market to Russia’s forced purchases “when the rooster pecked” of civilian quadcopters and electrical tape from China? Didn't expect anything else
          1. +2
            23 November 2023 15: 51
            The problem is the lack of meaning - this in no way solves the problem with UAVs (using the example of the conflict in Ukraine, in particular).


            What are you saying? We have not yet learned to see through the smoke. lol


            Have you reduced the UAV market to Russia’s forced purchases “when the rooster pecked” of civilian quadcopters and electrical tape from China? Didn't expect anything else


            Is that why there are so many “horns and hooves” who make money from this?
            1. +3
              23 November 2023 17: 14
              What are you saying? We have not yet learned to see through the smoke. lol

              1) They cannot see through special aerosols created to block certain wavelengths. Ordinary smoke from the combustion of something, which, although physically an aerosol, does not block part of the IR spectrum. Therefore, modern thermal imagers with extended wavelength ranges can see through it perfectly. Here is an example of the “effectiveness” in modern realities of the curtain created by the TDA of a tank.

              2) What will a smoke grenade give you for the GP? I’m just wondering how the process of “multiplying by zero” the threat from a UAV, where this product appears, looks like in your head. Preferably step by step.
              3) Referring to RDG-U, you did not take into account that the effect it created required dimensions of 200x54 mm. Where half of the fuse is located outside these dimensions. FOGs for standard "grenade launchers" of the Russian Army have dimensions of slightly more than 100 by 40 mm. Of which half the volume is occupied by the fuse and the chamber with the propellant. What effect do you expect from a product with 6 times less useful volume?
              Is that why there are so many “horns and hooves” who make money from this?

              You have some kind of violation of cause-and-effect relationships. There were so many “Horns and Hooves” exactly because at the time the troops needed products, Russian defense corporations had nothing to satisfy the demand. There weren’t even any developments except KUB and Lancet. What can we say about the presence in the troops.
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                23 November 2023 20: 56
                1) They cannot see through special aerosols created to block certain wavelengths. Ordinary smoke from the combustion of something, which, although physically an aerosol, does not block part of the IR spectrum. Therefore, modern thermal imagers with extended wavelength ranges can see through it perfectly. Here is an example of the “effectiveness” in modern realities of the curtain created by the TDA of a tank.


                I really thought you were smarter, but again you are falling for advertising tricks. lol
                This could have worked against ancient “canned food”, but modern compositions of smoke mixtures not only block the optical range, but also cause thermal illumination behind which nothing can be seen except the illumination itself.
                Eh, Konashenkov bit you. It’s a pity, there’s already a problem here with people who know how to think critically.
                1. 0
                  24 November 2023 09: 55
                  I really thought you were smarter, but again you are falling for advertising tricks. lol
                  This could have worked against ancient “canned food”, but modern compositions of smoke mixtures not only block the optical range, but also cause thermal illumination behind which nothing can be seen except the illumination itself.

                  Vladimir, it’s written in black and white for me
                  Can't see through special aerosols, created to block certain wavelengths. Regular smoke...

                  The fact that you prefer not to think about the texts of your interlocutors is not my sadness at all.
                  As someone who falls for advertising gimmicks, I know the difference between smoke mixtures and infrared camouflage powder compositions. And I know that due to their physical properties (they are heavy), the latter perform their function only if they are used in smoke screen generators. In instantaneous pyrotechnics they are used as a hindrance rather than a camouflage.
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  16. +3
    23 November 2023 10: 35
    IMHO, how does the SVO differ from our past conflicts - weapons of destruction and reconnaissance operate continuously and throughout the entire depth of the combat area. Sometimes it seems that any detected military target is attacked as soon as the opportunity arises. That is, camouflage has never become the best armor. Taking into account the massive use of drones and, apparently, satellites, the density of surveillance equipment is very high.
    Hence the impossibility of mass breakthroughs and attacks - it is impossible to concentrate forces, they will be discovered and covered. And the tactics come from here - move forward, work, retreat before they are covered.
    The ambush tactics are also approximately the same - whoever saw it first is in the ambush.
    1. +1
      23 November 2023 10: 55
      Ambush tactics have just changed. The Afghan experience is more often used when artillery is aimed at a detected enemy. Only now the artillery reacts faster and has become more accurate. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict had an advantage in better communications, automation of guidance and automated control systems. I have no information about how things are now.
      1. +1
        23 November 2023 11: 15
        Ambush tactics have just changed. The Afghan experience is more often used when artillery is aimed at a detected enemy. Only now the artillery reacts faster and has become more accurate.


        This is not an ambush, but an artillery attack with adjustments.
        1. +1
          23 November 2023 11: 47
          This is a type of ambush that ours used back in Afghanistan. At that time, there were no drones or readily available satellite reconnaissance, and it was necessary to move a group, combat entry into positions for direct observation and artillery guidance.
          Of course, the artillery should be somewhere nearby or even move into the area at the same time as the reconnaissance and ambush group.
          1. +1
            23 November 2023 13: 43
            This is a type of ambush that ours used back in Afghanistan.


            Just don’t tell me about Afghanistan.
            1. +2
              23 November 2023 18: 59
              General Gromov will tell you about Afghanistan. It was his son who recently retired from the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the rank of colonel and now heads the Union of Scouts of Ukraine. Tells who the enemy is
              1. +2
                23 November 2023 20: 59
                General Gromov will tell you about Afghanistan. It was his son who recently retired from the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the rank of colonel and now heads the Union of Scouts of Ukraine. Tells who the enemy is

                You know, I managed to watch it myself. As for other things, for me, as a Soviet officer, the duping of the Russian Federation by capitalist propaganda is no better than the Ukrainian one.
  17. +5
    23 November 2023 12: 08
    In particular, to the feat of the crew of the Alyosha tank. It’s strange, but for some reason my interlocutors forgot the very intelligence officer who made this feat possible. The same fighter with the medal “For Courage”, who became famous for his emotional commentary on the battle. And in battle he aimed the tank at the enemy with the help of his drone.

    The author is talking nonsense! Who aimed the tank there, huh? There they didn’t even have a connection with the tank - they (reconnaissance and infantry with anti-tank crews) were on their own, the tankers were on their own!
  18. +1
    23 November 2023 14: 01
    It is still impossible to calculate the amount of ammunition spent by armies to eliminate one fighter, but I am sure that when this is done, and this will definitely happen, the numbers will stun many...

    Indeed, watching videos of a single enemy fighter being defeated by an entire drone, right up to the Lancet (although of course it very rarely hits such targets with Lancets), I am a little perplexed.
  19. +1
    23 November 2023 14: 18
    The peculiarity of modern warfare is that reconnaissance capabilities have sharply increased, and together with the automation of information transfer and combat control, the entire space from the “contact line” (now conditionally) and to great depths has come under the control of artillery. Now the enemy’s offensive is repulsed by artillery, not infantry, and only in extreme cases are small arms used, which is why the consumption of artillery ammunition has increased so much.
    The offensive also uses not tanks with infantry, as before, but the destruction of positions with artillery, and then clearing by assault groups. The reason is the same - reconnaissance and control of the battle space by enemy artillery. Due to the high density and accuracy of artillery fire, massive attacks have become impossible; even mechanized units cannot overcome the conditional LBL without significant losses.
    Therefore, the task now is to find an antidote to this combination - reconnaissance-control-artillery.
    1. 0
      30 November 2023 21: 56
      It's been 200 years since"enemy advances are repulsed by artillery, not infantry " laughing You're just sooooo far from the artillery.
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  21. +1
    23 November 2023 16: 12
    Quote: Conjurer
    Therefore, the task now is to find an antidote to this combination - reconnaissance-control-artillery.


    Even more reconnaissance-control-artillery.
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  23. +4
    24 November 2023 05: 43
    That is, we see the first (according to our classification) type of ambush - sudden. Forgive me, is this sudden for you? After all, for the enemy, any ambush is sudden, otherwise what kind of ambush is it?
  24. +1
    24 November 2023 20: 28
    Quote: Dekabrist
    The attack itself was carried out suddenly, without prior preparation. The commander has the right to make such a decision independently. Consequently, such an ambush may well be called sudden or unprepared. A surprise attack that led to the destruction of the enemy. That is, we see the first (according to our classification) type of ambush - sudden.

    Judging by the presentation, the text was written by a deeply civilian person who had never served in the army, all of whose military knowledge was contained in the Soviet school course of NVP. That is, the author’s tactical training corresponds to the level of a ninth-grader in a Soviet school.
    The tank battle described in the article by the author is called a fire ambush in “military” language.
    A fire ambush in defense is set up with the aim of inflicting maximum destruction on the enemy by surprise direct fire, dagger fire and the use of mine-explosive barriers. A platoon (squad, tank), reinforced with flamethrowers and sappers, can be deployed in a fire ambush.
    A fire ambush is usually organized in tank-dangerous directions in front of the front line, in the depths of a company strong point (battalion defense area), in the gaps between them or on the flanks, in places that make it difficult for the enemy to quickly deploy and maneuver to escape fire.

    BATTLE MANUAL FOR PREPARATION AND CONDUCT OF COMMON-ARMS COMBAT, part 3, PLATOON, SECTION, TANK.
    Yes, the author’s work is very similar to fiction, although here it seems they wrote about him that “he is a real colonel”... winked
  25. -1
    24 November 2023 20: 57
    Quote from Alexwar
    Donbass sat in ambush for 8 years until the Ukrainian army surpassed them, and there was a time when Donbass troops went on the offensive.


    Do you really understand anything about this topic? I personally, as a direct participant in this whole mess, understand nothing at all.
    Civilian tanks drove dill across the fields, pushed out columns of armored vehicles in cities, often together with drugs...
    The mercenaries and imported "patriots" of the seamen were pillaging... They sucked in - they rolled back... Minsk, Minsk2...
    Or maybe we should have thought about all this not in ’14 or ’22, but in ’98..? Just throw in a little money and the Donbass would carry forward with its feet all the independence of the newly-minted binders. With whips and sticks, all the way to Poland...
  26. 0
    24 November 2023 22: 57
    It's time for Military Review to introduce age markings consistent with gerontology.