"Sturmgever" in the war

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"Sturmgever" in the war
Polish soldier during testing of MKB 42(N) from Haenel


Why do the stars burn,
Why do the stars burn,
Why do the stars burn?
Not warm.
Get me a gun
Find me a gun,
Buy me a machine.
Quicker.

"Why do the stars burn"
song from the movie "Dear Boy" (1974)
music D. Tukhmanova
sl. L. Derbeneva

stories about weapons. By 1941, it became clear to the Germans that it was necessary to act more actively towards the creation of new weapons. Although various experimental cartridges had been developed to varying degrees by this point, the Army decided to select the Polte 8x33mm Kurzpatrone ("short cartridge") cartridge. It used the Spitzer bullet, and the cartridge itself was based on the design of the standard 7,92x57 mm Mauser rifle cartridge. Simply, the cartridge from the original 7,92x57 mm was reduced to 7,92x33 mm Kurtz. It was clear that this was not an ideal solution, but there was a war going on, and this made it possible to minimize logistical problems.



At the same time, the Mauser automatic rifle of 7,92x57 mm caliber was created, which became one of the first rifles of this type with “straight-line” recoil and a raised sight line above the axis of the barrel bore. But it turned out to be not good enough for mass production. Therefore, the development of an assault rifle chambered for a smaller cartridge was continued.

Models MKb 42(N) from Haenel and Walter MKb 42(W) appeared. Moreover, if the design of the Haenel assault rifles was, let’s say, more traditional, it contained a gas piston connected to the bolt following the example of a number of samples known at that time, then the Walter assault rifle had a piston mounted on the barrel, and on it several holes, the powder gases flowing from which pressed on this piston. The scheme was somewhat simpler than the previous one, but the military did not like it.

A total of 163 such machines were assembled. They took part in army tests in 1942, but then were not used anywhere else.


MKb 42(H). Left view. Photo by Rock Island Auction Company


He is the same, viewed from the right and with a belt. Photo by Rock Island Auction Company

The MKb 42(H) or Maschinenkarabiner 42(H) turned out to be more successful, and it also fired from a closed bolt, which the military considered a big plus.

Over time, Hitler learned about these military tests and ordered to immediately stop all work on new weapons, and even new ammunition. But they decided to continue production.

Moreover, since July 1942, the Gustloff company began developing an automatic carbine for conventional rifle cartridges as ... cover, since Hitler categorically disagreed with the use of Kurz ammunition. To maintain the MKb 42(H) development program, the Ordnance Directorate renamed the weapon Maschinenpistole 43 (MP 43) and, with several improvements, declared the weapon an upgrade to existing submachine guns.

Of course, the Germans failed to make the MP43 a full replacement for the 98k rifle. This goal turned out to be unattainable. The MP 43 cartridge was too weak for rifle grenades, too inaccurate for sniping, and the weapon was too short for bayonet fighting.

As a result, in September 1943 it was decided that the MP43 would complement, rather than replace, the 98k. As a result, the base of the optical sight, the extended muzzle thread of the grenade launcher, and the bayonet lug were removed.

Adolf Hitler eventually discovered the deception and stopped the program again. In March 1943, he allowed it to resume for evaluation purposes only. The evaluation, which lasted six months until September 1943, yielded positive results, and Hitler allowed the MP 43 program to continue and mass production to begin.

The guns made extensive use (for the 1940s) of modern, economical stamped steel components rather than machined parts. The first MP 43s were transferred to the Waffen-SS: in October 1943, some of them ended up with the 93rd Infantry Division on the Eastern Front.


Waffen-SS with MP43...

In April 1944, Hitler showed some interest in testing the new weapon and ordered it to be renamed the MP 44. In July 1944, at a military meeting about the Eastern Front, when Hitler asked what they needed, the general exclaimed: “More of these new rifles!” This exclamation caused some confusion. It is believed that Hitler's response was: "What new rifle?" But, having seen the MP 44 in action, he personally gave it the name Sturmgewehr, although it is quite possible that this is nothing more than a legend.

Then it was renamed again to Sturmgewehr 44 (StG 44) to emphasize its belonging to a new class of weapons. This designation translates as “Assault rifle model 1944”, and with this the term “assault rifle” was introduced into circulation.


New types of small arms are demonstrated to Hitler

Numerous reports and company correspondence show that Hitler was often told about the stages of development of this machine gun. His fears may have been due not to the fact that he was against the idea itself, but to his reluctance to send new weapons to the front in small quantities.

German industry was unable to replace 12 million Kar 98k rifles in a short time, so the Wehrmacht's already strained logistics structure would have to maintain supplies of one more cartridge. Although the Sturmgewehr required special tools to make, it required fewer materials and was faster and easier to fabricate than the 98k.

So introducing a new machine gun in quantities that would not make an impression at the front would be counterproductive. However, by the end of the war a total of 425 StG 977s of all types had been produced, and work began on the next example, the StG 44.

The machine gun proved to be a valuable weapon, especially on the Eastern Front, where it first came into use. A properly trained soldier with the StG 44 could effectively engage targets at greater ranges than with the MP 40, and was more useful than the 98k in close combat. It has also been found to be exceptionally reliable in extreme cold.

The StG 44 had a significantly longer firing range than the PPSh/PPS submachine guns, the ability to switch fire modes, and amazing accuracy. Its muzzle velocity was 685 m/s compared to 760 m/s for the 98k, 744 m/s for the British Bren, 600 m/s for the M1 Carbine and 365 m/s for the MP40.


“Walter” G-43 – the “Walter” company continued to work on an automatic rifle in 1943. But she was never able to create a product that was truly high-quality in all respects, and also cheap! Photography by Alain Dobress


The same rifle. Right view. Photography by Alain Dobress

The 1st Infantry Division of Army Group South and the 32nd Infantry Division of Army Group North, both of which had previously suffered heavy losses on the Eastern Front, were selected to receive the new "Gever". However, due to a shortage of ammunition, the 1st ID was the only one fully equipped with the StG 44.

The Kar 98k remained as a specialist weapon for sniping and rifle grenade shooting, while the MP 40 was used by vehicle drivers, gun crews and officers. When attacking enemy positions, riflemen from 98k used grenades against it at close range, and riflemen from StG 44 fired in semi-automatic or automatic modes to suppress it.

In a combat situation, it turned out that the magazine pusher spring quickly fails if the magazine is loaded with the required number of rounds, so soldiers were instructed to load no more than 25 rounds into it in order to reduce wear on the spring. In January 1945, a magazine with a fixed plug was introduced, also limiting its capacity to 25 rounds.

Although the StG 44 was capable of fully automatic fire, German soldiers were also ordered to use it primarily in semi-automatic mode. The fully automatic mode was supposed to be used only in emergency cases, in short bursts of two or three shots.

Germany had problems with ammunition logistics, so Hitler's calculations were partially correct: 200 additional workers were needed for the originally planned 86 million rounds of ammunition per month, but they were not available. And there was nowhere to get them. The planned production of 000 million cartridges per month from February 1944 was completely utopian for German industry. Since February 400, this number has dropped to a realistic 1945 million.


And this is a front-line photo from StG 44...

One of the unusual additions to the design of this machine gun was the “Krummlauf” - a curved barrel attachment with a periscope sight for shooting from around a corner or trench from a safe position. It was produced in several versions: version “I” for use in infantry, version “P” for use in tanks (to cover blind spots in the short radius around the tank, to protect against attacking infantry), variants with an inclination angle of 30°, 45°, 60° and 90°, a version for the StG 44 and one for the MG42.


StG 44 with Krummlauf attachment, option “I”. By the way, the barrel has an attachment for firing rifle grenades. Photo by Rock Island Auction Company


This is how the front sight was visible in the sight of the Krummlauf attachment. Photo by Rock Island Auction Company

But only the "I" 30° version for the StG 44 was produced in large quantities. These barrel attachments had a very short service life - approx. 300 rounds for the 30° version and 160 rounds for the 45° version. The 30° model could hit a target measuring 35x35 cm at a distance of 100 m.


German sight Zielgerät 1229


Zielgerät 1229 mounted on StG 44. The device weighed about 2,25 kg. It (and the infrared equipment) also came with a 13,5 kg battery and batteries to power the infrared device. The batteries were placed on a support frame (Tragegestell 39) on the soldier’s back, so such a “night gunner” was more than heavily loaded!

The StG44 also featured the Zielgerät 1229 infrared sight, codenamed "Vampir". This device consisted of a large infrared lamp mounted above the shutter and a sight itself, which allowed one to see in the dark.

"Vampire" could work for only 15 minutes, but could see within 200 meters in complete darkness. In this case, a conical flash suppressor was added to the barrel so that the muzzle flash would not blind the shooter.

To be continued ...
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  1. +7
    25 November 2023 05: 57
    Definite thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich! I was even more pleased that a continuation of the series is planned.
    Have a nice weekend everyone, best regards Kote!
  2. +10
    25 November 2023 06: 05
    Isn't that a Polish zolnezh in the first photo?
    1. +2
      25 November 2023 07: 23
      Quote: tatarin1972
      Isn't that a Polish zolnezh in the first photo?

      Yes exactly! I should have looked better... Otherwise I looked at the machine gun, but didn’t even notice the cap! And by the way, I understood why this happened. I have small photos in my storage drive. You can't tell the badge.
      1. +4
        25 November 2023 09: 03
        “Isn’t that a Polish zolnezh in the first photo?
        Yes exactly! I should have looked better.."
        and what kind of Polish zsolnezh was it in 1942?
      2. +5
        26 November 2023 09: 36
        You don't have to look at the cockade. Polish confederate, visible from afar. There's no mistaking it.
  3. +15
    25 November 2023 08: 02
    93rd Waffen-SS Rifle Division? Suddenly. belay
    They always had infantry. Rifles are in the Red Army.
  4. +21
    25 November 2023 08: 44
    Mkb-42(h) still worked with the shutter open. The photo of an SS man with a Sturmgewehr is a modern reconstruction. In general, the SS men and the Sturmgewehr did not participate in military trials. They had their own weapons department. The Mkb-42, renamed MP-43/A, and the modified MP-43/B operating from a closed bolt, which was later renamed MP-44 and then finally Stg-44, were put into military trials. There are a lot of errors and inaccuracies in the article.
    1. +10
      25 November 2023 15: 24
      “There are a lot of errors and inaccuracies in the article”
      nothing surprising. This is Shpakovsky. he often writes about what he doesn’t know, but he skillfully copies and pastes
      1. 0
        25 November 2023 15: 44
        Quote: ZloyKot
        “There are a lot of errors and inaccuracies in the article”

        Don’t be happy, I found inaccuracies in this author too. But I usually don’t make comments to my colleagues. Ethics, you know, corporate...
      2. 0
        26 November 2023 18: 42
        Quote: ZloyKot
        but skillfully copy-paste

        Does the Lord God himself put information into Andrey’s head? He also skilfully rips everything from different sources...
  5. +3
    25 November 2023 09: 03
    At the same time, after the war, the Bundeswehr still preferred the G3 chambered for the 7.62 to 51 rifle cartridge and used this weapon until the 90s, and now, after switching to 5.56, it complains about insufficient power, after all, high unification seems to me more important than some operational advantages, a rifle cartridge it was used equally in the infantry and tank forces and in aviation, and the intermediate one only in the infantry and only in one type of weapon, in the Soviet army the intermediate cartridge also caused a lot of headaches in the AK; constant experiments with the staff of the motorized rifle squad and platoon, then add a machine gun or remove it, then add a shooter with SVD, then remove it, if remove it, then where? to the platoon? to the company? deunification in cartridges is very bad and this problem has not yet been conceptually solved.....
    1. +4
      25 November 2023 10: 46
      The choice of the Bundeswehr was determined by NATO standards, where the Germans did not decide anything at that time. G3 is similar to self-loading rifles. Conceptually, and not structurally, the AK47 became an assault rifle.
    2. +1
      26 November 2023 22: 57
      The concept of a single rifle cartridge was outdated a hundred years ago. The rejection of the single 7.62 NATO only confirmed this. The most successful cartridge is M43 and 7.92 kurts.
    3. +2
      27 November 2023 00: 39
      Moreover, after the war, the Bundeswehr still preferred the G3 chambered for the 7.62 to 51 rifle cartridge and used this weapon until the 90s, but now, after switching to 5.56, it complains about insufficient power


      It has already been noted in the comments that the Germans, excuse the tautology, had no choice in choosing a cartridge.

      The Americans completely rejected the idea of ​​an intermediate cartridge - instead they are creating a shortened version of their standard .30-06 rifle cartridge under the designation T65. Within the framework of the newly created NATO alliance, a program to standardize small arms systems begins, and under US pressure in 1953-54, NATO adopted the T65 as a single new American cartridge under the NATO designation 7.62x51mm.
      The paradox of the situation was that at that time there was not a single type of automatic weapon chambered for such a cartridge in any army in the world.
      The Americans themselves hastily created the not very successful automatic M1 based on the Garand M14.
      The Belgians had greater success with their FN FAL.
      The rifle was adopted in 70 countries.
      The popularity of FAL in the world could have been even greater if the Belgians had not refused to sell a license for its production to Germany (apparently in retaliation for the recent occupation of Belgium, no less). As a result, the Germans, who had already adopted the FN FAL rifle under the designation G1 for their border guards, had to buy a license for the rifle from the Spanish company CETME, which led to the birth of the main competitor of the FN FAL - the Heckler-Koch G3 rifle.

      Best regards,
  6. +4
    25 November 2023 09: 33
    The first MP 43s were transferred to the Waffen-SS: in October 1943, some of them ended up with the 93rd Infantry Division on the Eastern Front.

    The phrase gives the impression that the 93rd Infantry Division belongs to the Waffen SS. According to all the reference books I have, there were only 38 divisions in the Waffen SS. In 1943, the 93rd Infantry Division, according to Müller-Hillebrand, was part of the 18th Army of the GA North. And she was listed as “infantry”. But a number of units of an infantry division could bear the name “rifle” (platoon, company...), “motorized rifle”, “mountain rifle”. So, revealing the OSH of the infantry division, the MG infantry battalion consisted of rifle companies. The Wehrmacht and Wafen SS divisions were also mountain rifle divisions, as well as in the Allied forces (in particular, the Romanian ones). The Germans do not quite understand the principle of distinguishing riflemen from infantrymen.
  7. +14
    25 November 2023 09: 44
    A Spitzer bullet was used in it.

    In Russian, such a bullet is called pointed.
  8. +3
    25 November 2023 09: 47
    The StG 44 was certainly ahead of its time. But just as with other German developments in military technology, one thing came to the rescue: too late, too little.
    1. +10
      25 November 2023 10: 58
      Quote: Glock-17
      The StG 44 was certainly ahead of its time.

      What about the Fedorov assault rifle? what

      But by and large, talk about weapons that were “ahead of their time” is mostly inappropriate! All weapons, equipment, technologies, materials appear “on time”! Only elementary human inertia, stupidity, ignorance (especially “those in power”...) slow down the introduction and use of innovations!
      1. +8
        25 November 2023 11: 53
        Ideas can be ahead of their time. There are a lot of examples when technologies for some time were not able to provide implementation. And the human factor has nothing to do with it.
        1. +1
          25 November 2023 15: 27
          “when the technologies of some time were not able to provide implementation. And the human factor has nothing to do with it.”
          just the human factor and what. Avs and Svt were never able to replace the Mosinka in the Great Patriotic War
      2. +3
        25 November 2023 14: 40
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        All weapons, equipment, technologies, materials appear “on time”!
        This is wrong. The KPV machine gun did not appear in time: in 41 it could have protected our columns from dive bombers. A reverse example: the Fedorov assault rifle appeared when the country could not provide cartridges for it; there was not even much surplus there for rifles. The V-2 diesel for the T-34 appeared ahead of time: for the industry of 40 it was too expensive and complex; the T-34 with gasoline engines could have been produced more. In 44, the B-2 was already in place and on time.
        1. +8
          25 November 2023 16: 11
          This is wrong. The KPV machine gun did not appear on time: in 41 it could have protected our columns from dive bombers

          Our columns could protect 12,7 DK (DShK). Alas, there were not enough of them in the troops throughout the war!
          hi
          R.s. It was not because of a good life that in 42 we curtailed the production of SVT and DS-39, returning to Mosins and Maxims.
          1. 0
            25 November 2023 16: 45
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            and maxims.

            Good evening! I sent you a private message...
          2. +2
            25 November 2023 20: 44
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Our columns could protect 12,7 DK (DShK).
            DShKs also could not be mass produced, plus, I read somewhere that the price of a DShK at that time was comparable to the price of forty-five. But the main thing: it turned out that the DShK ’41 and the DShK ’51 (let’s say) are two different machine guns: the DShK ’41 could not always shoot its 50-round belt without delay. For anti-aircraft tasks this is critical.
      3. +2
        26 November 2023 23: 01
        Fedorov’s assault rifle was not ahead of anything, unlike the hever. Gever determined the direction of development for decades of assault rifles. AK and M 16 took advantage of his decisions. The 7.92 Kurz cartridge is essentially the father of the M43 cartridge. What did AF influence?
        1. -1
          27 November 2023 15: 55
          The fact is that the Fedorov Avtomat was produced in a small series and was used by one company of soldiers. At that time, information and experience in the use of automatic individual weapons did not exist. The revolution in the Republic of Ingushetia that superimposed on the PVM did not allow the State Autonomous Institution of the Republic of Ingushetia to conduct an analysis of the use of AF at the front, and the Bolsheviks were busy with other matters. The isolation of the country of the Soviets from the Western world did not allow information about the use of AF at the front to spread. Those. individual automatic weapons chambered for a relatively low-power rifle cartridge of 6,5 mm caliber. At the end of the 1938th century, the trend continued to reduce the caliber of rifles, and, accordingly, the power of their cartridges (Swedish, Turkish, Argentine, Spanish Mausers, etc.). Moreover, in the years after WWII there was no tendency to arm infantry with individual automatic weapons. There have been studies to create an intermediate cartridge, because analysis of WWI battles showed a reduction in infantry combat distances. This trend appeared just in time for 1940 in Germany. That's why they were the first. In 43, testing of prototypes of an individual automatic carbine chambered for the first serial intermediate cartridge began. Saturation of Soviet infantry PP, i.e. individual automatic weapons confirmed this trend. And it forced, based on the experience of battles and trophies, to create an intermediate cartridge. Because The Soviets did not listen to their smart people and did not appreciate them; we were catching up. Moreover, they wanted to outdo the enemy, so our MXNUMX was made more powerful - hence the problems with stability when shooting.
          The author of the article pointed out the shooting accuracy of the SNG 44 a couple of times. And this is built into the design, but the AK still does not have this. We were second, and the Americans were third. But they didn’t understand why an intermediate cartridge was needed. Apparently on the prairies you can see far away.
          Things like this, it seems to me.
    2. +3
      25 November 2023 15: 33
      Quote: Glock-17
      The StG 44 was certainly ahead of its time.

      During WWII, our average daily consumption of ammunition for small arms was about 12 million. Hence the conclusion: introducing new weapons, also automatic, chambered for a new cartridge into service with the troops is not a smart idea. The design and principles of operation of the StG 44, except for the intermediate cartridge, did not bring anything fundamentally new. I think “ahead of time” is not about StG 44.
  9. +2
    25 November 2023 13: 16
    Thanks for the article, at that time it was an excellent weapon, I read that 5 thousand pieces of this machine gun were found in Syria, and some were used by the rebels in Burkina Faso.
    1. +1
      25 November 2023 13: 40
      Quote from: Semovente7534
      I read that 5 thousand pieces of this machine gun were found in Syria, and some were used by the rebels in Burkina Faso.

      There will be more about this in part 3.
    2. +4
      25 November 2023 14: 21
      https://topwar.ru/223188-poslevoennoe-ispolzovanie-samozarjadnyh-vintovok-i-avtomatov-proizvedennyh-v-nacistskoj-germanii.html
      Post-war use of self-loading rifles and machine guns produced in Nazi Germany[i] [/ i]
      1. +6
        25 November 2023 15: 34
        "https://topwar.ru/223188-poslevoennoe-ispolzovanie-samozarjadnyh-vintovok-i-avtomatov-proizvedennyh-v-nacistskoj-germanii.html"
        This is what Shpakovsky will talk about in part 3 laughing
        1. -5
          25 November 2023 15: 39
          Quote: ZloyKot
          This is what Shpakovsky will talk about in part 3

          You see, all VO materials are checked by an anti-plagiarism system and if there is less than 75% novelty, then they are not accepted. So there will definitely be a lot more novelty in this material. So compare, by the way, isn’t it interesting?
          1. +10
            25 November 2023 16: 48
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, honestly, you shouldn’t compete with Linnik. That's good advice.
            1. 0
              25 November 2023 17: 26
              quote=Max1984]unification in cartridges is very bad and this problem has not yet been conceptually solved.....[/quote]

              A single cartridge is only possible if you shoot single shots, but if we want 2-3 shots in a burst and at the same time hit where we need to go, then we need a less powerful cartridge, which immediately turns out to be rather weak for a full-fledged machine gun, and there is no compromise here, that’s why there is no solution to the problem .
            2. +10
              25 November 2023 17: 33
              good advice.

              Your good advice is shattered by Vyacheslav Olegovich’s unshakable faith in the “anti-plagiarism system.” In his understanding, this is some kind of informational King of the gods, which plays a cruel joke on him. Because for a normal person who has received certain information once, it is completely uninteresting to receive it in the second and third rounds, even if “the semantic content differs from the semantic content of previously available information” (this is the so-called “novelty”).
              1. -2
                25 November 2023 18: 46
                Quote: Dekabrist
                unshakable faith

                My unshakable faith is based on my knowledge of statistics. The average reader forgets the contents of the pack within 3-4 days. Moreover, he often reads with half an eye. And there are THREE types of reading, with different information content, which there is no point in talking about here. Therefore, for 80% of readers, it is the form that matters. And they get pleasure from seeing that they... know and their knowledge matches what is written. There is no need to deprive them of this. There are not enough joys in life as it is!
                1. 0
                  25 November 2023 18: 51
                  Quote: kalibr
                  The average reader forgets the contents of the pack within 3-4 days

                  A source?
                  1. +8
                    25 November 2023 20: 52
                    A source?

                    Hermann Ebbinghaus. Book Über das Gedächtnis. Untersuchungen zur experimentellen Psychologie (“On memory.” Studies in experimental psychology).
                    1. +3
                      25 November 2023 21: 54
                      Hm. Thank you, of course. But this is about forgetting meaningless material. And the pitch was about “in general”:

                      Quote: kalibr
                      The average reader forgets the contents of the pack within 3-4 days

                      Total - failure. Shpakovsky, awww...
                      1. +5
                        25 November 2023 22: 16
                        But this is about forgetting meaningless material.

                        Pointless material is a relative concept. For some, information about the new size of Britney Spears's boobs is information garbage, but for others it is the reason for a week's insomnia.
                      2. -8
                        25 November 2023 22: 58
                        Quote: Dekabrist
                        Pointless material is a relative concept

                        Blah blah blah. Once again: phrase

                        Quote: kalibr
                        The average reader forgets the contents of articles within 3-4 days

                        Any articles. Generally any (!!!). This phrase is not equivalent to yours

                        Meaningless information is forgotten according to the given schedule

                        L - Logic. If you want, argue further, I'm off to bed...
                      3. +1
                        26 November 2023 07: 39
                        Quote: Repellent
                        failure.

                        There is such a discipline in the PR and advertising course as media planning. There are all the calculations, schedules... when and how best to release information on the Internet so that it has the maximum impact on others. There are “combs” of frequencies based on the process of forgetting. Please note that 80% of the information on VO is not needed by the reader, that is, essentially meaningless. But interesting! Moreover, there is a paradox: the most unnecessary, meaningless, is precisely the most interesting. To whom, for example. in real life, you need information about Belgian pistols or century-old revolvers, or the same scrap metal “Gever”, but how they read!
                      4. +4
                        26 November 2023 12: 40
                        Quote: kalibr
                        There is such a discipline in the PR and advertising course as media planning. There are all the calculations, schedules... when and how best to release information on the Internet so that it has the maximum impact on others. There are "combs" of frequencies based on the process of forgetting

                        It's clear. Well, if we are talking about PR and advertising, then yes, most likely, we are talking about unnecessary information. Because the task of these, mmm... venerable disciplines is precisely to sell the experimental subject on the need for something that he does not need in the first place.

                        Thank you everyone, everyone... well done Yes

                        PS: minusers seem to be bad at logic. My condolences.
                      5. +2
                        26 November 2023 18: 38
                        Quote: Repellent
                        everyone... well done

                        Media planning concerns not only PR and advertising. It concerns ANY disseminating information to the media space. The discipline is studied in the course of PR and advertising. But also journalism. You were just too lazy to write a lot...Did I explain it clearly now?
            3. 0
              25 November 2023 18: 41
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, honestly, you shouldn’t compete with Linnik. That's good advice.

              I don't compete. Has this ever happened or have you found at least one of my comments under his materials? I just found it and it’s just inaccurate, that’s all. He copied from one place, I from another. So there are spots on the Sun too.
          2. +2
            26 November 2023 11: 18
            “So there will definitely be a lot more novelty in this material. So, compare, by the way, isn’t it interesting?”
            different number of commas and different word order? and, I’m not particularly interested, since I know as much about the object of conversation as you do, and what I don’t know means it’s an insignificant trifle that doesn’t interest me
            1. 0
              26 November 2023 18: 33
              Quote: ZloyKot
              I am not interested

              You can’t measure everyone by your own yardstick. This is selfishness. And not all of them come here educated. Look at the number of views and compare with the number of comments.
      2. -1
        25 November 2023 21: 20
        Quote: Wildcat
        produced

        My material, naturally, is very different from Linnik’s article. In some ways he is inferior to her. In some ways it complements.... And under photographs of the same weapons I always write where they come from and by whom they were provided.
        1. +2
          26 November 2023 22: 56
          hi
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, good evening!

          The topic of Sturmgever44 is “hackneyed and described” to the utmost, and the public is tired of it, IMHO.
          Even the history of the AK47/AK74 is less described than the history of the unfortunate SHTG44, which was produced at all, but still pops up “out of the blue,” including completely inappropriate images on the monument.
          By the way, it’s a big plus for you that you didn’t write about “SHTG44 and girl designers, artists, as I see it,” and other “near-art beau monde,” for whom AK, SHTG44 are all the same.

          If you liked Ian from FoggotenWeapon (he has three good videos about SHTG44), then he has several hundred topics on his website, IMHO, that were “not really written in Russian”. And you can almost start automatic translation everywhere, which is a big plus.

          From Russian-language sources - by the way - Konstantin Konev (https://www.youtube.com/@KonstantinKonev) and Andrey Ulanov (https://www.youtube.com/@mozhetbahnem) also film well about weapons on their own channels and collaborations.

          Good luck to you in your difficult writing work!
          1. +2
            27 November 2023 11: 51
            Quote: Wildcat
            I wish you success

            Thank you! I watch a little of everything. And for a number of reasons this material simply had to be written. First of all, because of the photos taken at the museum. I had to thank him somehow!
  10. +6
    25 November 2023 17: 10
    "The guns made extensive use (for the 1940s) of modern, economical stamped steel components rather than machined parts."
    I'll be a little boring. Stamping is also mechanical processing. Apparently, this meant the introduction of stamping while reducing the volume of more precise, but significantly more labor-intensive turning and milling processing.
    And in my opinion, it was precisely this approach that was actively introduced during the Second World War by all parties during the transition to a war footing. The struggle to reduce the labor intensity of manufacturing military equipment. Soviet pistols and machine guns are a vivid example of this - the maximum transition to simplifying the manufacturing process. Currently, a certain “rollback” is taking place - CNC machines have made it possible to reduce the labor intensity and, therefore, the price of non-stamped parts.
    1. 0
      25 November 2023 17: 23
      Stamping is also mechanical processing.

      Emnip, mechanical processing is when cutting.
      And stamping is one of the types of processing pressure.
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      2. +3
        25 November 2023 17: 53
        The key word is mechanical, the use of equipment to change shape. I focus on the following classification:
        Very quickly - from Wiki.
        1 Types of machining
        1.1 Machining
        1.2 Processing by plastic deformation
        1.3 Processing by deformation cutting method
        1.4 Electrophysical processing
        A little more detail
        Mechanical processing of metal -:
        Two categories - with and without removing the top layer.
        The former include turning, drilling, grinding, crushing and everything that can be classified as cutting. In this case, the shape and dimensions of the workpiece change.
        If you do not need to use anything to form a cut, then apply pressure or impact. The impact can be exerted by a press, water, air, or a stream of abrasive particles. The procedure can be carried out together with heat treatment or in natural temperature conditions. This category includes: stamping, pressing, rolled metal.
        Although there is a subtype in the stamping process - cutting, where a cut is formed.
    2. 0
      25 November 2023 18: 38
      Quote: balabol
      rather than machined parts. "
      I'll be a little boring.

      Thank you! I will think about improving this phrase in the future.
      1. +4
        25 November 2023 21: 04
        In general, the most clear picture of the manufacturability of a particular product is given by the number of machine hours spent on its production. But this information must be sought in the literature.
        1. +1
          26 November 2023 11: 58
          Yes, you're right. Suitable as an integral indicator. In the USSR, the main indicators were labor costs, productivity and costs in physical terms; in capital countries, the total costs were summed up in money. Different economies.
          To understand the path taken by the modernization of production, a painstaking researcher needs to get to the technological maps and the dynamics of changes made to them. Then you can deeply analyze the process. But who will do this...
    3. 0
      22 December 2023 17: 38
      Quote: balabol
      And in my opinion, it was precisely this approach that was actively introduced during the Second World War by all parties during the transition to a military footing.

      This was a mandatory condition of the competition tasks..
  11. +1
    25 November 2023 21: 47

    The StG44 also featured the Zielgerät 1229 infrared sight, codenamed "Vampir". This device consisted of a large infrared lamp mounted above the shutter and a sight itself, which allowed one to see in the dark.

    ,,,a little off topic.

    Leibermüster (literally “body pattern”) or Buntfarbenaufdruck 45 (roughly translated “color print 45”) was the last camouflage developed by the Third Reich during World War II.
    The structure of the camouflage itself is as follows: olive-colored spots are printed on a white background, then there is a green color made “under foliage”, after which red-brown inclusions are applied, and black “drips” complete it all.

    An interesting point is the black color in the Leibermüster: they decided to use it so that even then (!) the camouflage could camouflage its owner from the night vision devices that were just appearing at that time. Red was used for the same reason; the bet was made so that the camouflage could reflect more infrared light used in night vision devices. For these purposes, the Germans used special paint; which, naturally, increased the already considerable process of clothing production.
    After the war, Leibermüster was the basis for camouflage by the Swiss Army (also known as "Alpenflage") until the 1990s.
    1. -1
      26 November 2023 11: 24
      "A bit off topic."
      yeah completely off topic
      1. +3
        26 November 2023 11: 44
        [quote] so that even then (!) camouflage could disguise its owner from the night vision devices that were just appearing at that time. [quote] ... Much more useful information than the author’s hate or thoughts about plagiarism)
      2. +2
        26 November 2023 12: 32

        ZloyCat
        Today, 12

        ,,, the author mentioned the first night lights, why not write about the first measures to counter them.
  12. -4
    26 November 2023 12: 52
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: ZloyKot
    “There are a lot of errors and inaccuracies in the article”

    Don’t be happy, I found inaccuracies in this author too. But I usually don’t make comments to my colleagues. Ethics, you know, corporate...


    You know... I feel very sad if I have to make shabby films out of such afftyrevs.
    There is not and will not be any corporate event with Enemies of the People.
  13. -2
    26 November 2023 13: 08
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: ZloyKot
    “There are a lot of errors and inaccuracies in the article”

    Don’t be happy, I found inaccuracies in this author too. But I usually don’t make comments to my colleagues. Ethics, you know, corporate...

    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: ZloyKot
    “There are a lot of errors and inaccuracies in the article”

    Don’t be happy, I found inaccuracies in this author too. But I usually don’t make comments to my colleagues. Ethics, you know, corporate...


    How will you make comments to your cripples if you feed with one hand?
    I don’t care, I’m a free, stray dog... The Union hasn’t fed me for a long time, but the Soviet Union has developed in me strong reflexes to protect its People. I don’t need candy wrappers and I’ll find a bone for myself... Everything is simple and my wolf cubs follow my path. And they no longer care about Mumkrykos flags and other “red lines”.
  14. -5
    26 November 2023 13: 24
    Quote: balabol
    I'll be a little boring. Stamping is also mechanical processing. Apparently, this meant the introduction of stamping while reducing the volume of more precise, but significantly more labor-intensive turning and milling processing.

    And you: are you sure you know how to do OMD and OMR? And can you tell the difference between cutting and sewing?
  15. -2
    26 November 2023 18: 39
    Quote: ZloyKot
    different number of commas and different word order?

    You have a very primitive understanding of the essence of rewriting.
  16. -3
    26 November 2023 20: 20
    Quote: kalibr

    You have a very primitive understanding of the essence of rewriting.


    I don’t know who this rewrite of yours is and what its essence is...
    If part one is throwing manure at the Soviet past, then part two is suspiciously close to justifying Nazism... And one should obviously turn to official experts for clarification - how to understand such letters, from (allegedly) a member of the CPSU, with photos of SS men and Fuhrer.
    The 3rd part will apparently be about the genius of Eugene, who embodied Hugo’s ideas in metal, according to the behests of Aloizovich and thanks to the Washington regional committee...
    And all because the “coffin of fascism” is now not a coffin, but a simple showcase of the achievements of the Reich.
    1. 0
      27 November 2023 11: 40
      Quote: hammerite
      I don’t know who this rewrite of yours is and what its essence is...
      If part one is throwing manure at the Soviet past, then part two is suspiciously close to justifying Nazism... And one should obviously turn to official experts for clarification - how to understand such letters, from (allegedly) a member of the CPSU, with photos of SS men and Fuhrer.

      Contact us! Contact us! And then, in response, I will file a lawsuit against you for libel and defamation charges and leave you without your pants.
    2. +2
      27 November 2023 11: 44
      Quote: hammerite
      The 3rd part will apparently be about the genius of Eugene, who embodied Hugo’s ideas in metal, according to the behests of Aloizovich and thanks to the Washington regional committee...

      You're a lousy fortune teller, Andrei, you would have turned out well!
    3. +1
      27 November 2023 11: 45
      Quote: hammerite
      I don’t know who this rewrite of yours is and what its essence is...

      You can’t be that ignorant in the age of the Internet. But, by the way, what miracles don’t happen!
  17. +2
    27 November 2023 00: 09
    The MKb 42(H) or Maschinenkarabiner 42(H) turned out to be more successful, and it also fired from a closed bolt, which the military considered a big plus.


    With all due respect, I cannot agree with this statement of the author.
    A distinctive feature of the MKb.42(H) was that it fired from an open bolt, similar to many submachine guns.

    Based on the test results, it was decided to take the design of the Henel company as the basis for the future assault rifle, to which significant changes were made, primarily relating to the trigger device - it became a hammer-operated one. And already in the MP-43, fire was fired from a closed bolt.

    Best regards,
    1. +1
      27 November 2023 11: 43
      Quote: Gunfighter95
      And already in the MP-43, fire was fired from a closed bolt.

      Yes that's right. Only the MP-43 is the same MKb 42(H), in which - yes, the bolt was redesigned.
    2. 0
      22 December 2023 17: 49
      Quote: Gunfighter95
      primarily related to the trigger device - it became a trigger

      This was a customer’s decision (requirement), as well as the relocation of the gas outlet....
  18. +2
    27 November 2023 12: 27
    It's easy to be smart when everything has already happened :)
    There was a rifle that had a large, even excessive, direct shot range, but an insufficient rate of fire. And there was a submachine gun with a sufficient rate of fire, but with insufficient direct shot range.

    Now it seems completely logical that an intermediate cartridge should, simply must, appear - and it did.

    But it didn't seem that way then.
  19. -1
    15 December 2023 21: 52
    If the Sturmgewehr had been good, the Germans would not have armed entire divisions with captured PPSh. The intermediate cartridge was successful. That’s all the advantages