Positional deadlock without options: based on Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny

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Positional deadlock without options: based on Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny
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It is believed that for about a year now during the fighting carried out as part of the Russian special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine, a positional impasse has formed, from which no way out is yet in sight. This became so obvious that the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), General Valeriy Zaluzhny, gave an interview to the British publication “The Economist”, and also published his essay in it, explaining the reasons for the occurrence of this positional impasse and the breakdown of the Ukrainian “counter-offensive”.



In fact, the problem of positional impasse extends far beyond the borders of Ukraine and the Northern Military District. In fact, in our time, any armed forces of two countries (or groups of countries) with comparable capabilities are doomed to positional confrontation. Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny indirectly confirms this in his interview, saying that the current level of development of weapons and military equipment favors the transition to positional combat operations - and in this Zaluzhny is one hundred percent right. Moreover, under existing conditions, a conditional “positional deadlock” for countries (or groups of countries) with comparable capabilities is practically guaranteed, and in all environments - on land, on water and in the air (of course, this should not be understood as the literal “standing” of ships and planes opposite each other)However, each of these areas is a topic for a separate discussion.

However, regarding the positional impasse directly in Ukraine, Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny speaks not only about the problems of modern military technologies and concepts in general, but at the same time seems to hint that if the United States and other NATO countries had earlier transferred “everything necessary” to Ukraine, then there is artillery, Tanks, Aviation, high-precision weapon long range and much more, then the positional deadlock would be “broken” and the “counter-offensive” would take place successfully. Of course, Zaluzhny “doesn’t complain and is grateful,” but it’s not he who is to blame for the breakdown of the Ukrainian counteroffensive, but you know who...

However, Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny is, in fact, not particularly to blame for the failure of the “counter-offensive” - it’s unlikely that anyone in his place would have done a better job, but for the “grave” of Ukrainian soldiers - yes, he is to blame, he is to blame for the “Meat Assaults”, guilty of the murders and torture of Russian prisoners of war, of carrying out criminal orders of the criminal Ukronazi regime, but not of disrupting the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

As for the transfer by NATO countries of those supposed weapons that, in the opinion of Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny, could affect the success of the Ukrainian counter-offensive, in the event that they were transferred to the Ukrainian Armed Forces “earlier and more,” then we will dwell on them in more detail, so that the illusions of the commander-in-chief Zaluzhny to disperse. We will talk specifically about the weapons that NATO countries have, and not about those that, in Zaluzhny’s opinion, only need to be developed in order to break the positional deadlock.

Barrel and rocket artillery


Barrel artillery and multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) are among the most popular types of weapons during the military offensive. It is characteristic that it was largely thanks to artillery that the fighting in Ukraine took on a positional character. On the one hand, the massive use of artillery ensures the destruction of enemy equipment and manpower attempting to carry out an offensive; on the other hand, the insufficient intensity of artillery fire does not allow the suppression of the enemy’s defensive positions.

At the time of the start of the counter-offensive, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had a significant number of self-propelled artillery units (SPG) and even more transportable guns, which the Ukrainian industry is quite successfully converting into wheeled self-propelled guns "Bogdan". The problem is that by the time of the supposed “counter-offensive” of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, there were very few shells left for Soviet artillery systems, which were consumed at the highest rates by both sides of the conflict. At the moment, the United States and other NATO countries have “scraped out” everything they could from around the world, that is, they could not supply more to Ukraine purely physically.


Wheeled Ukrainian self-propelled gun "Bogdana", for the manufacture of which, presumably, transportable artillery pieces are used

A lot of artillery systems were supplied to the Armed Forces of NATO countries, including Western-made ones, and long before the start of the Ukrainian counter-offensive. However, with Western-style artillery systems there is the same problem - there are few shells, and specifically conventional, unguided ones. High-precision projectiles of the Excalibur type supplied by the United States can be effectively used to solve the problems of counter-battery warfare, destroying warehouses, equipment and manpower deep in enemy territory, but they are of little use for “breaking” continuous defensive positions. And the problem here is not that they “don’t want to,” but that NATO countries have limited stocks of conventional shells.

The same applies to the HIMARS MLRS, which in its essence is closer to operational-tactical missile systems than to MLRS. The projectiles are guided and highly effective, but they are few in number.

Thus, it cannot be said that NATO countries did not provide Ukraine with artillery for a counter-offensive - they supplied as much as they could without causing critical damage to their own armed forces. It is also worth mentioning the means of counter-battery warfare, in which the Ukrainian Armed Forces, apparently, are still superior to the Russian Armed Forces.

Tanks, armored vehicles and anti-tank weapons


The situation with tanks and armored vehicles is largely similar. Initially, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had more than enough armored vehicles; in addition to Soviet reserves, there were a number of tanks and other armored vehicles of their own making. The fact is that The Armed Forces of Ukraine are quickly running out of tanks and other armored vehicles, Western countries are not to blame.

Yes, the main battle tanks (MBT) of NATO countries were delivered to Ukraine later, but this did not affect the situation in any way - the MBT of Western countries began to “run out” of the Ukrainian Armed Forces so quickly that they were almost invisible on the front line. By the way, as expected, cunning Americans do not allow their Abrams to the front line, and the British Challengers are not particularly eager to fight - the German Leopards are burning and suffering reputational losses..


The damaged British Challenger tank is a rare guest on the front line

NATO countries supplied the Armed Forces of Ukraine not just a lot, but a lot of armored vehicles for various purposes, however, for the most part these were all sorts of MPAPs, but they also supplied armored personnel carriers (APCs) and infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs). However, as in the case of MBT, this did not affect the situation on the battlefield in any way, and cannot affect it in conditions of complete dominance of anti-tank weapons for various purposes on the battlefield.

As for anti-tank weapons, they were supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in huge quantities at the very beginning of the conflict, including the latest third-generation Javelin anti-tank missile systems (ATGM), which the Russian Armed Forces still have no analogues to. This is in addition to the more than effective Ukrainian Stugna-P ATGMs, analogues of the Russian Kornet ATGMs.

Air defense (AA)


Ukraine inherited from the USSR a significant amount of air defense systems, although often outdated, but quite capable of operating against almost any means of air attack. In addition, outdated anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) could be modernized using Western technology.

Even thanks to existing air defense systems, using ambush tactics, The Ukrainian Armed Forces were able to close the skies over the controlled territory to manned Russian aviation, preventing the strategic dominance of the Russian Air Force (Air Force) in the skies over Ukraine. As for the supply of air defense systems produced in Western countries, they did not change the situation as a whole, but presumably provided a higher percentage of destruction of such Russian airborne weapons as cruise missiles (CR) and long-range kamikaze unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

At the same time, it is necessary to mention one interesting point - anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) used by Western-made air defense systems are extremely expensive, and therefore their number is limited. Of course, Ukraine doesn’t care how much the US and Europe pay, but how indifferent is it to the US, UK and other “sponsors” themselves? In a situation where missile defense systems costing 0,5-1 million dollars shoot down kamikaze UAVs worth 20-100 thousand dollars, and missile defense missiles costing 3-5 million dollars shoot down a missile system worth 1 million dollars, the losses of the defender are in any case higher than those of the attacker.


The cost of the AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles used by the NASAMS air defense system is, according to various estimates, from 1,2 to 2 million US dollars

It is possible that if Western countries had started supplying their air defense systems earlier, by now they would have run out of either their reserves of air defense systems or their supply of generosity, so that ultimately the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be left without air defense systems at all.

Long-range precision weapons


Of course, the Ukrainian Armed Forces want to not only repel Russian strikes delivered by long-range precision weapons, but also inflict them themselves. It is worth noting that in this matter the Ukrainian Armed Forces showed extreme ingenuity, creatively using all the reserves left over from the USSR. Modified Soviet Strizh UAVs flew into Russian territory, missiles of the outdated S-200 air defense system and much more. Long-range kamikaze UAVs, assembled from components supplied by Western countries and purchased in China, were also added here.

Additionally, The Ukrainian Armed Forces are actively using unmanned kamikaze boats (BEC) against our country. They are used not only to attack ships of the Russian Navy, but also coastal infrastructure, including the Crimean Bridge.

Of course, all this will not replace full-fledged operational-tactical and cruise missiles, although, as we said earlier, Ukraine has long been supplied with RS3O HIMARS with guided ammunition, with a firing range of up to 150 kilometers. In addition, Deliveries of cruise and operational-tactical missiles with a firing range of up to 300 kilometers have been underway for several months now.. This did not affect the situation globally, although these missiles cause some damage to the Russian Armed Forces.


Storm Shadow cruise missiles cause painful, although not critical, damage to the Russian Armed Forces

If deliveries had begun earlier, the Russian Armed Forces would have had to adapt earlier - build shelters, disperse equipment and manpower, and pay more attention to camouflage. Unfortunately, We have not yet punished US arms supplies in any way. и other Western countries, although we have all the possibilities for this.

Of course, Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny probably wants not only “sooner,” but also “more” and “further,” but questions arise here. Due to the provisions of the recently defunct Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, missiles with a range of more than 500 kilometers existed only for sea and air carriers. As a result, at the moment there are no or very few ground-based carriers for long-range precision weapons (they are just being developed). An exception can be considered shipborne vertical launch systems (VLS) adapted for ground use for the Tomahawk missile launcher.


Test launch of the Tomahawk missile launcher from a ground-based mobile launcher, which took place on August 18, 2019

There is no point in talking about the transfer of warships to Ukraine, since this is absurd - single copies of the BC Russian Federation will quickly be sent to the bottom, but why not transfer the entire US sixth fleet to the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

That leaves aviation, which, along with long-range precision weapons, is one of the biggest “wants” of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Aviation


Based on the available data, the Ukrainian Air Force at the time of the start of the SVO was in a rather deplorable state, primarily not in terms of the number of available aircraft, but in terms of its technical condition. Thanks to the help of Western countries, Ukraine managed to repair, modernize and put into operation dozens, or rather hundreds, of aircraft. In addition, from the countries of the former Soviet bloc, and possibly from other countries of the world, a significant number of Soviet-made (or licensed) combat aircraft and helicopters were delivered to Ukraine.

At the moment, a significant part of Ukrainian aviation has already been destroyed, both in the air and on the ground, by attacking home airfields. In those cases when Ukrainian aviation climbs onto the line of combat contact (LCC), then, apparently, it does not live long. It’s another matter when Ukrainian Air Force aircraft are used to carry out long-range missile strikes – in this case they are quite effective. However, quite recently information appeared that The Russian Armed Forces managed to ensure the joint operation of air defense systems and long-range radar detection and control aircraft (AWACS). Apparently, this has led to a jump in losses for the Ukrainian Air Force, which they urgently need to compensate for.

Deliveries of aircraft from NATO countries could lead to an increase in the number of simultaneously launched long-range APUs of the Kyrgyz Republic and an increase in the likelihood of them hitting targets deep in Russian territory. Also, with their help, the Ukrainian Air Force could potentially try to shoot down an AWACS aircraft, however, apparently, For the most part, the RF Armed Forces are fighting without them, and in the depths of Russian territory, combat aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force still have no chance - as the experience of Ukraine itself has shown, it is quite possible to knock out enemy aircraft with air defense systems using ambush tactics alone.


American F-16C fighters may pose a threat to Russian AWACS aircraft and can also be used to launch long-range missile strikes, but they will not change the course of the war

So, Western aircraft would not have provided any breakthroughs during the counter-offensive to Ukraine; everything would have been limited to launches of long-range missiles from the depths of Ukrainian territory, as well as intensive losses of F-16s on the LBS in the event that they dared to fly there (and whether they would be allowed , “Abrams” are not yet allowed on the front line).

AH-64 Apache combat helicopters could be useful on the Ukrainian Armed Forces' LBS, but again, they can only operate effectively in the zone of dominance of their aviation, otherwise combat helicopters will also quickly become “trophies” of the Russian Air Force and Air Defense. That is, if Russian armored vehicles went into a breakthrough, then the Apaches could ensure their destruction by operating in airspace at least partially controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but if they tried to support the breakthrough of Ukrainian armored vehicles, then the Russian Air Force and Air Defense would quickly be destroyed .


AH-64D Apache combat helicopters would be as dangerous for the Russian Armed Forces as the Ka-52 and Mi-28N are dangerous for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but they would be more suitable for disrupting the Russian offensive than for ensuring a Ukrainian “counter-offensive”

As for the massive deliveries of Western combat aircraft at the very beginning of the Northern Military District, this was impossible in principle. There were no pilots for them - hastily retrained Ukrainian pilots would not have been able to fly for long, but professionals from Western countries earn a lot there - why would they die in Ukraine? Of course, they would find some of the retirees, they would attract pilots from Latin American countries, but this wouldn’t be quite the Ukrainian army, would it? With the same success, one could simply immediately ask the United States to fight for Ukraine...

The same applies to technicians who must service delicate Western equipment - it takes a long time to train Ukrainian specialists, and Western specialists are unlikely to like dying under the blows of Russian missiles.

Provision


In fact, the United States and other NATO countries have already supplied Ukraine with the most valuable thing they could - this intelligence, communications and control.

Without the intelligence data provided by NATO space reconnaissance assets, Ukraine would have virtually no chance of launching strikes deep into Russian territory; Ukrainian long-range precision weapons would not be able to bypass Russian air defense systems. Without AWACS aircraft and high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs of NATO countries, the Ukrainian Armed Forces would not have succeeded close low altitudes for Russian aviation in the depths of Ukraine.

Without satellite communication terminals, it would not have been possible to carry out BEC kamikaze strikes on Russian Navy ships, and without modern digital radio stations there would be no effective coordination of the actions of ground units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, providing the ability to conduct maneuverable combat operations - here there would be no talk of any counter-offensive in principle.

And, finally, management - here the question generally arises: who controls the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny or some “gray personalities” from the Pentagon? One thing is certain: the full power of NATO’s analytical structures is involved in the Ukrainian conflict.

Conclusions


Western countries have given Ukraine very, very much, and if their actions had been harsher and more aggressive, this could have led to much worse consequences, and not only for Ukraine itself.

Saying that Western countries could supply more weapons and do it earlier, Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny does not understand or does not want to understand that every action gives rise to counteraction - if the United States and NATO began supplying weapons earlier and in large quantities, this would lead to tough Russia's response actions, and perhaps also to more active participation in the Ukrainian conflict by other countries that are not interested in a quick and clear victory for Western countries.

The only thing that would ensure success for Ukraine on the battlefield is direct intervention in the conflict of NATO countries led by the United States, but the consequences of this intervention will go far beyond the borders of Ukraine.
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  1. +2
    21 November 2023 04: 14
    Russia is “doomed” to win this conflict. Otherwise the West will devour us.
    1. +23
      21 November 2023 04: 30
      If we continue to fight like this with an eye on the West and the business of the Jews, the West will jokingly and quickly devour us! It’s time to throw away the heaps of restrictions and constantly strike harshly, even brutally using the entire arsenal of conventional weapons. Right down to napalm and white phosphorus! The enemy uses the latter, and in the Kremlin liberals are still fantasizing that the “brotherly people” will choose a “good king” for themselves, there will be a new Minsk4, shameful for Russia, but beneficial for the Jews near the Kremlin. We need to fight not for their rotten selfish interests, but for the very existence of Russia, so either we fight hard, or we disappear from the world map as a state - we have little choice!!!
      1. -1
        21 November 2023 07: 12
        Quote: Thrifty
        If we continue to fight like this with an eye on the West and the business of the Jews, the West will jokingly and quickly devour us! It’s time to throw away the heaps of restrictions and constantly strike harshly, even brutally using the entire arsenal of conventional weapons. Right down to napalm and white phosphorus! The enemy uses the latter, and in the Kremlin liberals are still fantasizing that the “brotherly people” will choose a “good king” for themselves, there will be a new Minsk4, shameful for Russia, but beneficial for the Jews near the Kremlin. We need to fight not for their rotten selfish interests, but for the very existence of Russia, so either we fight hard, or we disappear from the world map as a state - we have little choice!!!

        Are these the requirements for Russia? Russia is required to return to the borders in accordance with the 2002 agreement and pay reparations. Russia existed within these borders for more than 20 years and did not disappear from the world map. So you make a false choice
        1. +3
          21 November 2023 08: 39
          Russia is required to return to the borders in accordance with the 2002 agreement and pay reparations. Russia existed within these borders for more than 20 years and did not disappear from the world map. So you make a false choice

          No, if you sit with your ears plugged and your eyes closed, repeating “everything will be fine, it was good and will continue to be fine,” you will very quickly lose territory, people and resources, and indeed statehood in general.
          They will squeeze and loosen, in fact they are already doing this, they started with 404, now there is Armenia. Finns are Russophobic. In the Far East, the Japs are going wild.
          Do you think this is paranoia and nothing like this will happen? Why then are the Palestinians oppressed and nothing is actually presented to anyone? No sanctions, no supplies of weapons, as they did for the outskirts?
          The West does what is beneficial to it, based on its strategies. And in these strategies, Russia and China are opponents. They don’t hide it, they spell it out in their doctrines.
          So your words that Russia existed and did not disappear anywhere in the future may not be justified, do not take defensive steps.
          1. 0
            21 November 2023 11: 03
            Why then are the Palestinians oppressed and nothing is actually presented to anyone?

            Maybe because they asked for it and the Israeli hostages were kept in the hospital?
          2. +1
            21 November 2023 12: 11
            Quote: Reaper
            Russia is required to return to the borders in accordance with the 2002 agreement and pay reparations. Russia existed within these borders for more than 20 years and did not disappear from the world map. So you make a false choice

            No, if you sit with your ears plugged and your eyes closed, repeating “everything will be fine, it was good and will continue to be fine,” you will very quickly lose territory, people and resources, and indeed statehood in general.
            They will squeeze and loosen, in fact they are already doing this, they started with 404, now there is Armenia. Finns are Russophobic. In the Far East, the Japs are going wild.
            Do you think this is paranoia and nothing like this will happen? Why then are the Palestinians oppressed and nothing is actually presented to anyone? No sanctions, no supplies of weapons, as they did for the outskirts?
            The West does what is beneficial to it, based on its strategies. And in these strategies, Russia and China are opponents. They don’t hide it, they spell it out in their doctrines.
            So your words that Russia existed and did not disappear anywhere in the future may not be justified, do not take defensive steps.

            I never said that everything would be fine. Everything will be bad. In any situation. Here, 2/3 of the population of the northern hemisphere would not be able to get to heaven early. No time for fat. This time.
            2) statehood is undermined primarily by internal problems and general poverty, and not by the machinations of enemies. And when there are only enemies around, you usually have to spend a lot of money on defense, which leads to poverty.
            Third, naturally, over time, Russia as a state will disappear. There are no eternal empires.
            1. 0
              21 November 2023 22: 36
              On our planet, Russia has its own tasks, a country under God’s protection, to see this with your own eyes, dear, you don’t have to wait long at all.
              "We'll take Manhattan and then Berlin"
        2. +3
          24 November 2023 04: 30
          Quote from Escariot
          Are these the requirements for Russia?

          Is anyone really interested in “demands” on Russia?
          Quote from Escariot
          Russia is required to return to the borders in accordance with the 2002 agreement and pay reparations.

          lol Russia has already demanded that NATO return to its borders before its “expansion” - THIS is the REQUIREMENT that the West must fulfill. request Everything is simple.
          This is a dead end for NATO and other countries, when desires run into possibilities.
          In Russia, everything is different. Since NATO does not want to carry out a peaceful return to its former borders, it has made a bet on “defeating Russia on the battlefield” No. , they are their own prosecutor (that is, prosecutor) - it was their choice.
          In 2022, Russia, having prevented the seizure of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of Donbass and the subsequent attack on Russian Crimea, provided a land corridor to Crimea, a security zone for it, liberated the Lugansk region, part of the Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. And since NATO bet on war... they get War and all its consequences. With refugees, huge expenses, empty arsenals, tens of thousands of dead volunteers/mercenaries in the Northern Black Sea region.
          Statistics - Queen of Sciences. And this Queen is on our side.
          The losses of the RF Armed Forces are approximately 5 times lower than the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and mercenaries of the West, the advantage of the Russian Federation in aviation is overwhelming, in tanks and armored vehicles it is multiple, and only in the Northern Military District zone, in artillery the numerical superiority of the Russian Federation is overwhelming, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine for some time acquired a qualitative advantage in long-range artillery systems and precision-guided munitions... that time is over. Now Russia has an advantage in these systems and it will only increase over time, as will the release of shells, incl. and new types, high-precision and long-range. The same can be said about artillery reconnaissance means.
          Quote from Escariot
          Russia is being demanded to return to its borders

          Russia will certainly return to its former - historical borders. As the heiress of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR.
          At the so-called The “state of Ukraine” does not have a legally approved and demarcated border at all. The UN has no idea WHERE this mysterious “state” is located, on what continent, because the UN did not provide data on its demarcated borders.
          Perhaps they are located in Canada, or Australia, or Antarctica, or on the ocean shelf of one of the continents of planet Earth... or some other planet... This great secret is unknown to lawyers.
          Quote from Escariot
          payment of reparations.

          Germany will definitely pay reparations to the victims of the siege of Leningrad. And to all other citizens of Russia - as victims of their aggression. Since the blood debt has not been repaid by them.
          I think there will be lawsuits against other NATO countries - for financing terrorism and Ukrainian fascism, for supplying them with means of murder, for illegal trade in organs from wounded Ukrainian military personnel sought by Doctors Without Borders. . . If these countries complete the procedure for pacifying the violently insane, something will remain.
          And for what? Russia is always ready for a nuclear war. And much better than his opponents.
          1. 0
            26 November 2023 06: 44
            Dear bayard!
            Correction - just recently our guarantor announced our losses, saying that they are 8 times less than those of dill.
      2. +4
        21 November 2023 07: 17
        1. Regardless of the SVO, Russia exists and will exist as a state, there is no need for “everything is gone, the cast is removed, the client is leaving.” Russia was put in much more difficult conditions and nothing, they are alive.
        2. The West provides just enough weapons to prolong the conflict as long as possible; it is not interested in anyone’s victory.
        3. The UAV has become the uber weapon of the parties in the Northern Military District. The vast majority of drones are made in China or from parts made there.
        4. F-16s will also not help Zaluzhny with the clown.
        1. -11
          21 November 2023 12: 38
          Quote: Civil
          The West provides just enough weapons to prolong the conflict as long as possible; it is not interested in anyone’s victory.
          The West was counting on the collapse of the “gas station” economy as a result of the prolongation of the conflict. But now the economy is shaky in the West, while ours is growing.
          1. +17
            21 November 2023 15: 19
            For now, I only see inflation and prices in stores rising. Of course, a certain success is that this is happening YET without an avalanche and does not look like something apocalyptic. But judging by the observed picture, I would still be careful not to write this down as “success” and even more so as “growth”. Plus and minus gives zero, so in our case we should treat this as a more or less effective containment of entropy.
            I would also be more cautious about the faltering Western economy. Over the five-year period, Europeans have tasted our annual inflation - this does not look like the end of the world, and the growth of Central Bank rates there is significantly inferior in dynamics to our growth. The world is still lining up (including us) to replenish European gas storage facilities, the Euro is still valued, and EU products dominated in a number of segments and continue to dominate.
            The EU itself, in addition to significant production, also combines a significant consumer segment and positive demographics - so beyond the borders of some difficulties in the energy sector and global crisis phenomena, nothing apocalyptic hangs over the EU. At the moment, of course.
            The fact that they pinched off some part of their military arsenals to Ukraine is neither cold nor hot for them. The fact that they pinched off economic aid to Ukraine, with which it will purchase weapons from the same EU, stimulating EU defense cooperation, is also to some extent even in “+” Europe.
            Yes, we could, to a certain extent, contribute to the intensification of the crisis in the European Union, but for this we would have to take a hard line, destroying, among other things, our income from supplies to the EU, which is still large. Why we don't do this is a good question. Perhaps we would be much worse off from such an action than Europe. Or maybe this is a matter of lobbying. But, one way or another, we continue to trade and support economies that are actually fighting against us. There has probably never been anything like this in history!
            1. +2
              22 November 2023 13: 02
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              There has probably never been anything like this in history!
              Are you saying that we did not trade with the United States when they supplied shells to the Germans who fired them at us during the Second World War? Here emotions can be included in different directions, but trading is not about emotions, but about benefits: a calculator instead of a heart.
          2. -1
            22 November 2023 12: 44
            The growth is especially noticeable in the pockets and refrigerators of ordinary people))) cheekbones are cramping, mice are hanging themselves and the wind is blowing)))
      3. +9
        21 November 2023 19: 03
        It's time to throw away heaps of restrictions and strike constantly hard, even brutally using the entire arsenal of conventional weapons.

        What does cruel mean? We already use the entire available arsenal, except perhaps the “Tsar Bomb” of volumetric detonation.
        It is now clear that the restrictions are mutual. Those. for example, we are not destroying Ukraine’s energy system, and the United States is not giving Kyiv tomahawks to strike Moscow with. Alas, Russia is weak, and we certainly have little choice.
      4. -4
        21 November 2023 20: 25
        How can we then pick Bandera’s followers out of the cracks all over the world? They will shit from around the corner. It's better to collect in one place! It seems that the Banderovites have already started to spread.
        You're looking from the wrong side. SVO can finish quickly. There are all the means for this. You can blow away the British Isles in 15 minutes (not our stupid brothers to burn with white phosphorus. Moreover, as the Anglo-Saxons are known, they are already a dead-end branch in the development of mankind) The States will be afraid to fart with a thorn, so as not to turn into the Strait of Mexico-Canada, and after another 15 minutes everything these Macrons, Bareilles, Berbock twins will fly to Moscow to kiss the shoe. All! “Oxygen” is cut off, there is devastation, but Bandera’s supporters will quietly hide again in Canada. It’s better to collect them all over the world and put them into meat assaults.
        And second: remember the saying of the 80s, “if you keep telling a person that he is a pig, he will eventually grunt,” and they sang to them how they invented the wheel and dug up the Black Sea - so they became proud. It takes time for the brain to settle into place.
        1. 0
          22 November 2023 12: 45
          Where do the idiots who propose using nuclear weapons come from? from a cage with rats?
    2. +9
      21 November 2023 07: 09
      Quote: Leshak
      Russia is “doomed” to win this conflict.

      For me personally, the concept of victory is the capture of at least Odessa. It's minimum. But it is better to liberate Kyiv and overthrow the Bandera regime.
      More precisely, only those who know the goals of the special operation can say what victory is.

      But it seems that this is a reliable secret behind seven seals.
      I wouldn’t be surprised if even those at the top don’t know about this. And they are guided by how it goes.
      1. -9
        21 November 2023 09: 09
        The goal of the SVO is to liberate the territory of all of Ukraine from the Nazis and establish a Russophile regime. Ukraine has no need for independence. She doesn't know how to use it.
        1. +5
          21 November 2023 15: 07
          Has anyone voiced this goal at a sufficiently high level?
      2. +1
        21 November 2023 11: 05
        More precisely, only those who know the goals of the special operation can say what victory is.

        I believe it will be a victory if someday the participants in the special operation find out its goals. Even if they are not communicated to ordinary people like me, it is none of our business why everything is like this, but only to those who are there in the trenches.
    3. +9
      21 November 2023 11: 01
      So far, it seems that Russia is doomed to mobilize with agendas through government services and are only waiting for a well-known event.
  2. +5
    21 November 2023 04: 23
    Without AWACS aircraft and high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs of NATO countries, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not have been able to close low altitudes to Russian aviation in the depths of Ukrainian territory.

    It seems to me that the RuNet is overestimating the importance of US AWACS aircraft in this conflict, taking into account the range of 500..600 km and the fact that US aircraft and strategic UAVs operate from the airspace of either neutral waters or from the territory of NATO countries. It is enough to look at the globe of the outskirts to understand this.
    1. -3
      21 November 2023 06: 53
      Quote from Andy_nsk
      It seems to me that the RuNet is overestimating the importance of US AWACS aircraft in this conflict, taking into account the range of 500..600

      Yes it is.
      And finally, the author of the article cited the fact that Ukraine did not have 150 aircraft. And many hundreds are in storage. And these planes could be repaired and thrown into battle.
      When I wrote about this about two weeks ago, my comment was deleted by the moderator of Military Review.
      I see no other reasons for deleting my comment other than the desire of this moderator to support the story that Ukraine had only 150 aircraft. And Konoshenkov knocks them down already in the fourth round. That is, he is lying.
      Although I repeat, Ukraine (including those in storage) had about a thousand aircraft.
      1. +13
        21 November 2023 08: 22
        Quote: SergeyB
        And finally, the author of the article cited the fact that Ukraine did not have 150 aircraft. And many hundreds are in storage. And these planes could be repaired and thrown into battle.

        Nothing, with very few exceptions. We also had a lot of Su-27 and MiG-29 in storage since Soviet times. And all this completely rotted away a very, very long time ago. And I don’t even want to ask where you saw production facilities in Ukraine for the repair of hundreds (!!!) of aircraft. Yes, even in the West, if we assume that some aircraft were exported to Europe for repairs. Soviet aircraft are by no means Eurofighters; NATO simply does not have the spare parts to repair them.
        1. +2
          21 November 2023 09: 25
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          We also had a lot of Su-27 and MiG-29 in storage since Soviet times. And all this completely rotted away a very, very long time ago.

          On the one hand, you are right.
          But there is a nuance.
          For you, a refurbished aircraft is an aircraft in “like new” condition.
          Ukraine really does not have the ability to fully restore aircraft. But Ukraine is in a state where it acutely lacks aviation in ANY condition.
          And this leads to an estimate of successful repair if the aircraft is able to take off.
          In turn, this only requires 2 things. Working engines and power kit of the airframe.
          Everything else can be repaired / ersatz replacements can be installed / the presence of faulty systems can be ignored.
          Airplanes can be used with the limitations imposed by faulty systems.
          For example, the plane does not have a working radar, you can hang NURSES on it, let it play the role of an attack aircraft. Or put Kharma on it; Kharma doesn’t need a radar.

          Is the air supply system for the pilots faulty on the plane?
          Make the cabin unpressurized and prohibit flying above 3 km. Let the air defense chase after drones and cruise missiles.
          And so on.
          And as I said, you actually only need the engines and power kit of the airframe.
          Engines made of extremely resistant alloys rot later than other parts.
          The airframe's power set is designed for enormous overloads, and therefore, even if it has partially lost its strength as a result of corrosion, the aircraft can still be used (prohibiting maneuvers with high overloads).


          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          And I don’t even want to ask where you saw production facilities in Ukraine for the repair of hundreds (!!!) of aircraft


          If we exclude the repair of radio-electronic components (due to the lack of such spare parts), then the repair of Ukrainian aircraft will come down to replacing rotten wiring/airframe parts/hydraulic systems, etc.
          All this work can be performed at any enterprise where vehicle repairs are possible.
          1. +4
            21 November 2023 11: 27
            Working engines and airframe power kit

            and where do you think Ukraine gets these “working engines”?
            Do you plan to fly them or will you warm them up on the ground? This is clearly not enough for a flight.
          2. +2
            21 November 2023 12: 37
            Quote: SergeyB
            For you, a refurbished aircraft is an aircraft in “like new” condition.

            Of course not. This is an aircraft capable of performing combat missions
            Quote: SergeyB
            In turn, this only requires 2 things. Working engines and power kit of the airframe.

            Let me disagree. I’m not an expert, but it’s quite obvious that in order for a plane to simply take off and be controlled, and at least somehow fight (we’re not considering the kamikaze option), at a minimum:
            1) Working fuel storage and supply system;
            2) A working control system for the mechanization of the wing and stabilizer, all these flaps, slats, spoilers and other flapeyrons (maybe I didn’t mention something, or said too much, but you get the idea)
            3) Working flight control instruments (all sorts of altimeters and so on - in general, what the pilot sees in the cockpit in front of him
            4) A working weapon control system - even the NUR must be used on command from the cockpit
            Quote: SergeyB
            All this work can be performed at any enterprise where vehicle repairs are possible.

            I think this is an extremely optimistic assumption :)
  3. -5
    21 November 2023 05: 31
    Zaluzhny. “Who’s to blame that you’re tired, That you didn’t find what you were waiting for, You lost everything that you were looking for, You rose into the sky and fell...”... Not a survivor. And the clown too.
    1. +2
      21 November 2023 07: 27
      Zaluzhny did not have enough forces and means to carry out the tasks of the counteroffensive. And he understood this perfectly. But the calculation was made for the first stunning blow, as a result of which our troops would flee, as at Kharkov. But it didn't work out. The Russian fighter turned out to be resilient this time. Then the enemy banged his forehead against our wall. That’s why Zaluzhny has a positional impasse. But we have no desire to repeat the experience of unjustified losses in the first months of the special operation. Therefore, our “positional impasse” is due to the fact that we, in defense, bring the enemy’s military potential to the ratio that will allow us to conduct a successful offensive with the least losses. Everything is like in the textbook.
  4. -1
    21 November 2023 06: 02
    What is the article about?
    Some kind of dead end, an advertisement for foreign weapons, and also the enemy’s general from his reasoning and dragged in... some kind of nonsense. negative
    1. +6
      21 November 2023 06: 36
      nonsense.

      This article is not nonsense at all. This is "Mitrofanovshchina"
    2. +3
      21 November 2023 07: 28
      The article essentially has nothing to do with reality. And it relates to Zaluzhny’s interview only indirectly. So just a lot of books
  5. +9
    21 November 2023 06: 09
    I probably agree with the Ukrainian “figure”. After our heroic abandonment of the territory beyond the Dnieper, there have been no noticeable changes in the front line for six months. The positional deadlock affects both sides. Numerous attacks at 1-2 km do not change the weather. hi
  6. 0
    21 November 2023 06: 09
    We will talk specifically about the weapons that NATO countries have, and not about those that, in Zaluzhny’s opinion, only need to be developed in order to break the positional deadlock.

    He had to ask the West not for three hundred tanks, but for three hundred imperial walkers.

    But it’s not clear at all.
    For a year and a half, in Ukraine and in the West, there was a buzz that the Russians were going into battle with shovels or even unarmed, that if they had anything, it was all Soviet, rusty, hopelessly outdated and, by default, inferior weapons to Western weapons.
    That the Russian soldier is lazy and stupid, fights drunk and only under pressure.
    In his New Year's address, Zelya vowed to the people that by the end of 2023 a decisive victory would be won. Even earlier, Budanov promised to seize Crimea in the spring of 2023.
    Well, where is all this?
    1. 0
      22 November 2023 12: 48
      in this both clowns are similar. Ours also promised a lot, more than one volume of “promises”, but there’s no sense in the word “absolutely”
  7. 0
    21 November 2023 06: 52
    For about a year now, in the course of hostilities conducted as part of the Russian special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine, a positional impasse has formed, from which no way out is yet in sight.

    If there is a positional deadlock in Ukraine, then why did everyone in the West scream so heart-rendingly about the urgent need for peace negotiations, a ceasefire, another truce to rearm the Armed Forces of Ukraine and restore their combat capability for a further, new war with Russia?
    1. 0
      21 November 2023 07: 33
      Because in the West, there are still competent warriors in the leadership of the Armed Forces. They see reality. Positional deadlock on the part of Ukraine is forever. But for the Russians it’s completely temporary. After we have brought the balance of military potentials of the parties in defensive battles to such a level that will allow us to move forward. Zaluzhny's positional impasse resulted in the collapse of his front along the lines of Operation Bagration.
    2. +2
      21 November 2023 08: 09
      Quote: Girl with a broom
      If there is a positional deadlock in Ukraine, then why did everyone in the West scream so heart-rendingly about the urgent need for peace negotiations, a ceasefire, another truce to rearm the Armed Forces of Ukraine and restore their combat capability for a further, new war with Russia?

      The West had a different plan: they did not expect Ukraine to resist for so long, and certainly did not expect Ukraine to win. I wanted to wear down, as far as possible with the Ukrainian army, the group of the Russian army participating in the Northern Military District, and then blame the evil, poor, hungry Ukraine on Russia and let Russia spend the huge money on this that the West is now forced to spend. And while the end of this black hole called Ukraine is not visible to the Anglo-Saxons.
      1. +3
        21 November 2023 09: 50
        "and then blame an evil, poor, hungry Ukraine on Russia and let Russia spend a lot of money on it,"
        and now, in your opinion, everything is free? It seems to me that fighting in Ukraine is still more expensive than feeding and restoring the “evil and hungry”
        1. -3
          21 November 2023 11: 39
          Quote: ZloyKot
          It seems to me that fighting in Ukraine is still more expensive than feeding and restoring the “evil and hungry”

          I don’t know what is more expensive, but the stupid Ukrainian people need time to understand what this government is worth and what its real goals are. Another thing is that this understanding comes at a very high price. And this understanding is already coming, I live among these people and see everything from the inside.
          1. -3
            21 November 2023 13: 01
            Quote: South Ukrainian
            understanding is already coming, I live among these people and see everything from the inside
            “You can deceive some of the people all the time, and all the people some of the time, but you cannot deceive all the people all the time” (A. Lincoln). It seems that the United States is already experiencing time pressure on this matter, so they are hesitant about negotiations.
          2. +6
            21 November 2023 15: 13
            "but the stupid Ukrainian people need time to understand what this government is worth and what its real goals are"
            The smart Russian people can explain this to him if they tell him about their power. they are not much different
  8. +4
    21 November 2023 06: 54
    . if the US and NATO had started supplying arms earlier and in larger quantities, this would have led to harsh Russian responses

    Seriously? So the red lines haven't been crossed yet??

    Why was there no response for the flows?
    Is it different?
    I have the impression that the United States has already become stupefied by its impunity.
    1. +4
      21 November 2023 07: 15
      Quote: Stas157
      . if the US and NATO had started supplying arms earlier and in larger quantities, this would have led to harsh Russian responses

      Seriously? So the red lines haven't been crossed yet??

      Why was there no response for the flows?
      Is it different?
      I have the impression that the United States has already become stupefied by its impunity.

      All “red lines” are listed in UN General Assembly Resolution 3314, for which the triune USSR in all its three guises voted. And all the rest are brown discharge smeared on the table.
  9. +4
    21 November 2023 07: 13
    A positional deadlock occurs when conducting combat operations between armies of equal combat potential only when the military-political leadership is not prepared for a large number of irretrievable losses.
    But in the conflict with Ukraine, our potential and the Ukrainian one are not equal. The Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have aviation or air defense in quantities comparable to ours. There are no long-range weapons. But there is a willingness of the command to achieve its goals regardless of losses. And by the beginning of the spring counter-offensive, the fighters had a fairly low sensitivity to the losses of their “brothers.” So we must admit that if the potentials of the parties were equal, then the outcome of the enemy’s counter-offensive could well have achieved its goal. We must soberly assess the current situation.
    1. -2
      21 November 2023 09: 08
      Ukraine is not only ready for a large number of irretrievable losses of Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel - it has actually already achieved them.
      But it’s still a positional dead end.
      So what's the deal?
      Could it be that one of the parties to the conflict lacks the political will to win, but has the military capabilities to win?
  10. +8
    21 November 2023 08: 20
    I don’t understand, for 3 months now every day from all the ironies about the failure of the Ukrainian offensive, why do we need this?? You can mention it 3-4 times to draw conclusions. In my opinion, it is necessary to analyze and write about the fact that the Russian Federation has taken one and a half years!!! City. And write what the leadership of the Russian Federation generally plans to do. At the moment, it turns out that the enemy’s shortcomings are presented as their own victory (which, of course, is our merit), but is this really a victory according to the stated goals and invested funds (+ dead people)?
    1. 0
      21 November 2023 09: 51
      Since the offensive failed, there must be a counter-offensive. Since it is not there, questions arise.
      I believe that our political leadership and especially its oligarch masters are not interested in victory. Because this will not help resolve the issue with sanctions.
      But an agreement is a pleasure. Istanbul-1, for example: Crimea to Russia, Donbass to Ukraine (this, by the way, was agreed upon in the spring of ’22, in case anyone has forgotten).
      Only the West still hopes that the Armed Forces, with the help of NATO assistance, will be able to completely crush our armed forces. But this is unlikely.
      And as soon as all of Ukraine’s human resources are exhausted, the West will immediately agree to an agreement.
      You can save this forecast. I am 300% sure that this will happen.
      1. -3
        21 November 2023 13: 27
        Donbass and KhZNR will not be given up only if some confederation is under the control of the Russian Federation, the question will only be about Ukraine’s status in NATO. Ze will most likely be replaced with a more accommodating one. Russian Federation should try to shake up the situation inside Ukraine.
    2. +5
      21 November 2023 09: 57
      “I don’t understand, for about 3 months now every day from all the ironies about the failure of the Ukrainian offensive”
      With such a simple maneuver they are trying to cover up the fact of the absence of any offensive. and also explain why the entire Russian Armed Forces are not advancing anywhere. they, it turns out, are simply waiting (or were waiting) for a counteroffensive. the xoxles will begin to counterattack, and here we will show them! such a strategy, panimash
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  12. +4
    21 November 2023 09: 43
    this would lead to harsh response actions by Russia, and possibly to more active participation in the Ukrainian conflict by other countries that are not interested in a quick and unambiguous victory for Western countries.


    I had a good laugh at this phrase. Since the beginning of the NWO, there has not been a single “harsh response from our politicians”! Solid agreements and brown lines. Lavrov declares every week that “Russia is ready for negotiations.” Honor and glory to our fighters that, unlike politicians, they do not and do not intend to give in the slightest.

    Well, about other countries that will intervene in the conflict on our side... This is generally in the spirit of idiots like Solovyov and Simonyan. I can't comment on this.

    The article began with good health, and ended with this nonsense of a Channel One news fan.
  13. -11
    21 November 2023 09: 56
    Zaluzhny has already killed 200 thousand people! What kind of commander in chief is this?
  14. -6
    21 November 2023 10: 26
    I don't see any positional deadlock stop

    Planned work is underway to destroy the combat system of Ukraine hi

    After its completion, all SBO goals will be achieved automatically good
    1. +7
      21 November 2023 10: 31
      NATO can supply weapons to everyone indefinitely.
      What kind of destruction of the combat system are we talking about?
  15. -3
    21 November 2023 10: 57
    By the way, the West did not give Ukraine long-range drones that could replace tactical aviation! The same MQ-9 can operate without entering the Russian air defense zone! Various high-precision bombs such as JDAM, SDB, AGM-154, Brimstone could significantly increase the number of Russian losses and armored vehicles!
  16. -2
    21 November 2023 11: 24
    Quote: RussianPatriot
    NATO can supply weapons to everyone indefinitely.
    What kind of destruction of the combat system are we talking about?


    NATO no longer supplies enough.
    With l/s things are still getting much worse and worse. stop
  17. +3
    21 November 2023 12: 42
    The current positional impasse is a consequence of the strategy adopted by the Russian leadership. When they decided to fight with a peacetime army, relying on the notorious battalion tactical groups, plus the lack of the required number of aviation. They decided that 100 thousand people of the “compact contract army” would disperse everyone and win.
    An army deployed with a group at the front of 1,5-2 million people, with multi-layered air defense, with strike groups with overwhelming numerical and technical superiority, with aviation dominating the air, would ensure the achievement of the goals. All these “Maginot Lines” in the Donbass would have been bypassed from Kharkov, and the hastily created lines at Ugledar and near Zaporozhye would have been broken through. For the BTG, stretched out on a 10 km front, the platoon stronghold in the Zaporozhye-Ugledar direction became an insurmountable obstacle.
    And yes, I agree, it is impossible to fight when the Kremlin is shouting: fight here, don’t fight here, wrap up the fish here, don’t dare touch the bridges so that the gesheft of business groups does not suffer.
  18. +4
    21 November 2023 14: 09
    Quote: Leshak
    Russia is “doomed” to win this conflict. Otherwise the West will devour us.

    The “West” devoured Russia the moment the current “helmsman” came to power. We are reaping the benefits. We are waiting for the 17th year. No.
    1. -5
      21 November 2023 14: 14
      Quote: KSVK
      The “West” devoured Russia at the moment when the current “helmsman” came to power.

      Funny point of view. That is, Gorbachev is fine, Yeltsin is great, and Putin is “oh-oh-oh”? Cool Yes

      Quote: KSVK
      Looking forward to the 17th year

      2117? Well, I wish you to wait laughing
    2. -1
      21 November 2023 16: 18
      Don't even wait, there are few idiots. laughing
  19. +4
    21 November 2023 14: 15
    Quote: Bearded
    Ukraine has no need for independence. She doesn't know how to use it.

    “No need”, let’s spell it correctly. In Russian.
    Does Russia know how to use its independence? Or is it impossible to use what is not there? what
  20. +1
    21 November 2023 15: 22
    AH-64 “Apache” combat helicopters could be useful at the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ LBS, n

    No one will give them Apaches. But why they still haven’t been given Super Cobras, of which the United States has more than a hundred in storage and which have been replaced by vipers, is strange.
    [Center]
  21. +3
    21 November 2023 17: 11
    Yes, we’ve been talking here for 2 years about tough, victory-oriented warfare, so what? What changed? Who heard us? Positional warfare, without any clearing, powerful offensives with the forces of 1 tank and 2 infantry fighting vehicles, breaking through the defense by 500 meters, taking a defensive position (along the course of a lousy dugout) and so on everywhere! This whole carousel is the result of 3 NO!
    1. There is NO clear, understandable goal of this war! Everything that was talked about at the beginning drowned in the Ukrainian mud. It seems that now, for the guys in the trenches, there is only one goal: “We don’t abandon our own”
    2. There is NO clear definition of what will constitute our victory! And the guarantor has no idea where we will stop and where we will go. Everything is in the fog, like “War will show the plan”
    3. NO mobilization of all the forces of the country for VICTORY. The country is separate, the war is separate. There is no war, the LBS is far away and that’s all, otherwise we live as we always did - concerts, competitions, castings and shows, championships, where foreigners are paid millions, and people collect money for the boys in the trenches for copters and armored vehicles, etc., etc. .
    And the worst thing is that a significant part of society and, above all, the “elite” part of the representatives of our government, do not need mobilization and victory!!! She is like a sickle to them at the causal place. Hence the quiet sabotage, negotiators, infighting and other mouse fuss - as one politician said, “Well, we haven’t started yet!!!”
    And then, like the classic “Where are you rushing to Rus'?.... Doesn’t give an answer.......!!!!”
    1. -4
      22 November 2023 00: 38
      Forgot point one, why?

      4. You personally are not at the front.
  22. +4
    21 November 2023 17: 23
    In fact, the problem of positional impasse extends far beyond the borders of Ukraine and the Northern Military District. In fact, in our time, any armed forces of two countries (or groups of countries) with comparable capabilities are doomed to positional confrontation.
    So the possibilities seemed to be not quite comparable?!
    every action gives rise to opposition - if the United States and NATO had started supplying weapons earlier and in large quantities, this would have led to harsh responses from Russia, and possibly to more active participation in the Ukrainian conflict by other countries that were not interested in a quick and clear victory for the countries West.
    I wonder what kind of tough retaliatory actions we are talking about, and especially what kind of mysterious states would act on our side in the Northern Military District???
  23. +3
    21 November 2023 18: 34
    It’s been clear for about a year and a half now that the situation is a dead end. There will be no victories, denazifications, etc. Everything that was captured was in the first weeks of the war. Then the front changed seriously, but not in our direction. Ukraine refused negotiations and capitulation and increased its army to over a million people. Even the liberation of Donbass already seems more like a fantasy. We can’t even talk about the gigantic losses on both sides.
    So there are only negotiations ahead that will change little.
  24. +1
    21 November 2023 21: 26
    In such reasoning, they lose sight of the fact that the war did not begin with a “counterattack”, but has already been going on for almost 2 years. And at every stage, the United States and the West, with all the pretentious speeches and stormy ostentatious activities, limited practical assistance just enough so that Ukraine did not gain anything extra. Even a mediocre person, acting conscientiously for a long time, would, purely due to chance, make at least one correct and successful decision. The West has not accepted a single one in two years (including the pre-war period), which indicates a lack of good faith.

    All deliveries were organized (both in terms of nomenclature and quantity) in such a way as to only create tolerable troubles for Russia, but not radically change the balance of forces. They were always one step behind the situation at the front. Let’s say, if before and during the “second phase of the Special Operation” truly massive deliveries of artillery and ammunition had begun, if at least a few HIMARS had arrived earlier, the Russian artillery roller tactics would not have had the same success, the loss ratio would have improved in favor of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the conditions their autumn offensive would have become more profitable. The West had both the equipment and shells for this not just in theory, they were delivered in practice - but only later, when they could no longer play such a role. Here, by the way, the choice of guns for the first delivery is interesting - M777 instead of the more numerous, cheap, simple and durable M198, of which the Americans should have more than a thousand in storage.

    By the way, during this period the RF Armed Forces (and then separate People’s Militia in general from the very beginning) carried out infantry (to say the least crude) assaults. Obviously, cluster munitions would have worked very well against them, but the Ukrainians received them only after the start of the “counter-offensive”.

    The autumn offensive resembled a raid by some banned ISIS or Peshmerga, and not an operation of the “second army of Europe.” This was perhaps the decisive moment of the entire war, the moment of maximum weakness of the Russian army, when a window of opportunity opened before the Ukrainians, unprecedented either before or since. If then they had had an extra pair of the current mechanized brigades on Bradleys and Leopards (which was nothing impossible and even nothing complicated - if the West wanted), everything could have ended much worse for the Russian Armed Forces. But there weren’t even enough M113s and Hummvees (which the Americans have in huge quantities, but were sold with such stinginess as if they were made of gold), and at the forefront of the offensive were civilian SUVs with machine guns, followed by BMP-1s and T-64. The front was “optimized”, but somehow survived.

    After this, mobilization occurred, the construction of a defensive line and some general (albeit achieved through one place) enlightenment of the RF Armed Forces, both technically and tactically. After this, the success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could still be achieved by the West if desired (which still did not exist), but at great expense. Nothing was done.
    1. 0
      22 November 2023 12: 51
      In the West, they are not fools. If they had delivered everything in abundance and on time, it would have brought Russia on a platter to China.
  25. -1
    21 November 2023 21: 40
    Positional deadlock - it is in the heads only of those who do not understand the essence of what is happening stop

    Well, good luck to our guys in the further denazification of Ukraine good
  26. +1
    22 November 2023 16: 27
    And there hasn’t been another picture (more recent) for probably six months now.
    If everything in Ukraine is so deplorable because what the hell... we are the second army in the world with a superiority in technology of 1 in 10 (without missiles it’s probably 1 in 30) we haven’t been able to take Avdiivka for more than a year, and it’s a shame for all time
  27. 0
    22 November 2023 17: 40
    Quote: lutckroma
    And there hasn’t been another picture (more recent) for probably six months now.
    If everything in Ukraine is so deplorable because what the hell... we are the second army in the world with a superiority in technology of 1 in 10 (without missiles it’s probably 1 in 30) we haven’t been able to take Avdiivka for more than a year, and it’s a shame for all time


    Well, ask yourself why YOU can’t take Avdiivka good
    If you answer yourself honestly, you’ll be blown away by the answer. stop lol
  28. 0
    27 November 2023 00: 27
    Quote: kombin23
    "We'll take Manhattan and then Berlin"

    Or maybe the other way around? First Berlin, and then Manhattan? It's easier. It seems to be in a straight line. And you won't have to go back
    1. 0
      29 November 2023 08: 12
      Leonard Cohen says exactly this: "First we take Manhattan, Then we take Berlin..." Cool song, cool video clip.