Russia at Dubai Airshow 2023: a show that was not ordered

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Russia at Dubai Airshow 2023: a show that was not ordered
Hero of the special operation Ka-52 in “export” version in Dubai. Can we afford it? Photo – Mikhail Zherdev


Irrational arguments


Timati and Leps warming up the audience at the elite hotel The Theater Dubai, elite alcohol, food and everything else typical of Russian parties in the United Arab Emirates.



Probably pictures of the future or flashbacks from the past?

No, modernity is foreplay before the Dubai Airshow 2023. However, it will not end all week from November 13th. In the second year of a difficult special operation in Ukraine, the Russian delegation participates in an international air show. One of the most inexplicable events of recent times.

Since February last year, Russia has been conducting a continuous and all-out advertising campaign for its own aviation industry. Combat first aviation. During the specified period of time, it is Russian pilots and equipment that are the most professional and combat-ready. Simply because they have been fighting an uphill battle for the last twenty-one months. No one in the world now has such experience and, most likely, will not have it for a long time. The Dubai Airshow 2023 exhibition agenda revolves around this.


Il-76MD-90A in Dubai. It's the right time and place for him. Photo – Mikhail Zherdev

Let's try to approach stories with Dubai Airshow 2023 rationally. Why is the Russian delegation and equipment there now? Obviously, to sell equipment. Denis Manturov described the events as follows:

“We brought exactly what our potential consumers and those people who simply wanted to see live those samples that will participate in the flight program are interested in.”

A total of 250 samples of civilian and military equipment will be demonstrated in Dubai.

The first of its kind Il-76MD-90A flew to the exhibition from Ulyanovsk, the light multi-purpose Ansat helicopter, the rescue Ka-32A11M, the “offshore” Mi-171A3 and the special operation star Ka-52E were brought, obviously in the highest possible configuration. On the attack helicopter one can see the President-S airborne defense system, the Khrizantema-VM ATGM, Igla-S missiles and one unit of the S-8 NAR.

Or, for example, a set of life support and self-defense equipment for a pilot. Created, obviously, based on the experience of the Northern Military District. A cautious guess - perhaps the Air Force re-equipped and re-equipped all its pilots before Rostec brought it to Dubai? We really hope this is so.

From the offered assortment, foreign customers will buy a little more than nothing. If only at a large discount and on credit, which Russia will forgive later. We are talking about African countries that are always ready, for old times’ sake, to receive something free from Moscow. But you don’t need air shows for this, especially such expensive ones.

How much did the Russian exposition cost?

There is no desire to repeat the old mantra “it would be better if they gave it to pensioners,” but now it’s right on point, only we’re not talking about pensioners at all. “Russian Knights” will also perform in Dubai on the brilliant Su-35S and Su-30SM. Aces roam the skies of the UAE, but should work in a completely different place.

Presentation of the Viking air defense system. It is not yet clear whether it is a large-scale model or a real installation, but the fact is depressing. Is the country now really ready to export air defense systems? Or Izdeliye 305E missiles? If yes, then we live with Rosoboronexport in different worlds.






"Ansat", Mi-171A3 and Ka-32A11M. Photo – Mikhail Zherdev

The stand with air-to-air missiles RVV-MD2 (close combat) and RVV-BD (long-range combat), as well as the Kh-69 cruise missile, looks tempting. And where would we be without the Su-57, or more precisely, its export modification with the letter E. In the press release for the aircraft you can find the following:

“The Su-57E is the only fifth-generation fighter that is capable of carrying large-sized, long-range air-to-surface weapons in a stealth configuration.”

All that remains is to calculate how many Su-57s are currently working in special operations. A seditious thought was born. What if Western opponents suddenly realize the futility of sanctions against Russia and decide to approach it from a different angle? They will flood our defense industry with export orders through third parties.

What will managers do who are now spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on weapons exposure? Will they push back government orders and focus on import orders?

It seems that opponents have already guessed - the general director of the Rosoboronexport concern, Alexander Mikheev, announced fifty proposals for Dubai Airshow 2023. Let's agree and sign contracts! We’ll just load Ulyanovsk with import orders for the next fifty years. In this regard, the phrase of the head of Dagestan Sergei Melikov sounds very accurate:

“At first I was funny, and then I became scared.”

The context of the comment was somewhat different, but also related to aviation - a participant in the recent riots at the Makhachkala airport looked into the aircraft engine, trying to spot a Jew.

But there is also civilian equipment, as the attentive reader will clarify. Of course, there is, but it doesn’t fly, or rather, passengers are not yet allowed to fly on it. MS-21 is far from a series, no matter how you advertise it at exhibitions.

The imported SJ-100 NEW, which was about to take off with domestic PD-8 aircraft engines, will take off only in 2024. It’s good if this happens in the first ten days.

Are they trying to sell this at the Dubai Airshow 2023? The planes themselves did not arrive at the exhibition, but mock-ups on stands or images in press releases are available to everyone.

Dear Arabian sky


The aviation part of the parade on Red Square has been cancelled, the MAKS 2023 air show has been postponed until better times. Aviation managers decided to pour out everything that has not been implemented recently in Dubai - they say, in addition to the Russian Knights, there will even be demonstration flights of the Ka-52E.

Gentlemen, why are we worse?

Why does a Russian who is proud of his country have to fly to the UAE to witness the domestic triumph of thought and technology?

It’s a stretch to call Dubai regulars with Russian passports patriots. I’m exaggerating, of course, but it’s everything for them, and nothing for us.

No one denies security considerations when holding MAKS. In the Moscow region it is really difficult to protect the sky from Ukrainian terrorists - the international air show is too tempting a target. But our country is not small and there are enough airfields like Zhukovsky.








The Fighterbomber telegram channel publishes this flight equipment from Rostec in Dubai. Are we waiting in the Russian Air Force?

Now a considerable part of experts say that Dubai Airshow 2023 is more of an image story for Russia. They say they weren’t allowed into Farnborough, Le Bourget, or the German ILA in 2022. At least in Dubai we will remind you of ourselves.

But the special operation reminds the whole world every day of Russian technology and Russian pilots. People who are truly interested in the domestic aviation industry do not take their eyes off the monitors with reports from the front. And they will definitely buy our equipment only after a special operation. The ceremonial and festive air show is superfluous here.

The letter E on the products of the Russian military-industrial complex cannot now be explained other than as mockery. Even preparing an exhibition and prototyping products with an eye to export is a waste of time and effort for engineers who should be working at the front. Not to mention attempts to sell high-tech equipment abroad.

Dubai Airshow 2023 is not the only example. With the same success, our gunsmiths went to IDEX 2023 in Abu Dhabi in February. Analogies and questions are asked for themselves - how much do we remember the T-34 or IS-2 in export version before 1945?

A little consolation at the end.

There is a healthy grain in demonstrating technology at weapons exhibitions.

First, respect partners from the Middle East. The UAE was invited, and it was very undiplomatic to refuse. There are not many platforms now where people are allowed and invited.

Secondly, being present at gun shows still creates a feeling among friends and foes that we have everything under control. They say we can afford to go to the fair.

How valid such arguments are, time will tell.
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  1. +13
    17 November 2023 03: 33
    Wow, how it blew up the “everyone who lost everything”!!!
    1. +30
      17 November 2023 03: 39
      Under no circumstances should Russia be allowed to sell its weapons, oil and gas, nuclear power plants and space. Salt everything and burn it for the glory of Sotona, so that there is nothing to build an army and a country with. So we will win!))))
      1. +28
        17 November 2023 05: 17
        Quote: CheeRock
        Under no circumstances should Russia be allowed to sell its weapons, oil and gas, nuclear power plants and space. Salt everything and burn it for the glory of Sotona, so that there is nothing to build an army and a country with. So we will win!))))

        And also close all restaurants and cafes, elite ones, and pour out all alcohol! And Timati and Leps - for public works, digging trenches near Artyomovsk!
        1. +3
          17 November 2023 11: 03
          Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
          And also close all restaurants and cafes, elite ones, and pour out all alcohol! And Timati and Leps - for public works, digging trenches near Artyomovsk!

          Like something bad.
          Blue is a schmuck.
          Timati and Leps are not Orpheus either.
          Chowders with virtually no sanitary checks and other controls are not exactly deadly, but they are also not a fountain.
        2. -9
          17 November 2023 14: 40
          Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
          Quote: CheeRock
          Under no circumstances should Russia be allowed to sell its weapons, oil and gas, nuclear power plants and space. Salt everything and burn it for the glory of Sotona, so that there is nothing to build an army and a country with. So we will win!))))

          And also close all restaurants and cafes, elite ones, and pour out all alcohol! And Timati and Leps - for public works, digging trenches near Artyomovsk!


          Yes, of course, let’s all build with iPhones (oh, that is, Yotaphones) and walk around Red Square back and forth and watch reports from the front! The whole country is in unison!
          Still, there is a difference between patriot and patriot: someone collects help for the front while sitting with an iPhone in a cozy Moscow cafe, while someone’s eyes burn with righteous anger at the fact that an exhibition is being held abroad.
          These are real creatures, they spent as much as 500.000 dollars on such obscenity!
          VO is a site with some of the coolest authors, just amazing people with their brains stuck somewhere in 1960.
          Our army is run by the same people, only with shoulder straps.
          Give way to the young people, they can live better in the modern world, and go retire to grow something in the garden beds and scold the iPhone youth!
          1. +10
            17 November 2023 19: 27
            Quote from: newtc7
            Give way to the young already

            Yes, yes, give way to the young, the ignorant and stupid, whose hormones from youth are off the charts, who have no life experience and who need to live while they are young, taking everything from life.
            Before the hormones get into the brain, we need to let the babies rule the country.
            My friend, you need to be kept away from politics and government.
            1. -5
              17 November 2023 23: 07
              Quote: Irokez
              Quote from: newtc7
              Give way to the young already

              Yes, yes, give way to the young, the ignorant and stupid, whose hormones from youth are off the charts, who have no life experience and who need to live while they are young, taking everything from life.
              Before the hormones get into the brain, we need to let the babies rule the country.
              My friend, you need to be kept away from politics and government.


              Luckily, it’s not you who decide where to keep me.
              Babies and young people are, to put it mildly, different concepts. And don’t be surprised later that the troops did not rely on drones, because in the 70s there was no trace of them. But these were wise, meaningful and not stupid people, according to you? This is the result, we have been standing still for almost two years. If they had replaced the old generals with “young” colonels 40-45 years old, the war would have taken a different path. For them, although the tablet is not an incomprehensible black box. At some point, people’s thinking becomes ossified and they can no longer adapt to rapidly changing realities, and after this moment, it is these people who become unsuitable for management.
              1. +5
                18 November 2023 09: 47
                It is precisely at 40-45 that they must command armies and divisions on the ground to tactically solve problems, but strategically they need to be more calm and balanced with the wise experience of the past years. And they have a lot of advisers and statistics from all countries where at the beginning of the Northern Military District there was no such large-scale use of drones, and it was here that the need arose for a mass of drones as well as precision missiles, shells, planned bombs, and so on. Therefore, it is wrong to blame the RF Ministry of Defense for lack of mobility, but there is always negativity in all structures and it simply needs to be minimized.
                Find a country where everything is perfect. You won't find it.
              2. 0
                25 November 2023 08: 16
                There is a little sense in your sayings, but only a little. The problem is that young people don’t want to work, don’t want to think, design and build. Young people only want to manage from an easy chair in the office.
            2. +2
              18 November 2023 11: 53
              You also need to be kept away.
            3. +1
              13 December 2023 17: 21
              And Ze is younger than us, and Adolf is also younger than the Big Three.
          2. +1
            24 November 2023 07: 47
            “someone is collecting help for the front while sitting with an iPhone in a cozy Moscow cafe...” He imagined it and a stingy tear rolled down his cheek. I think 90 percent of volunteers do just that.
        3. +1
          18 November 2023 00: 13
          And also close all restaurants and cafes, elite ones, and pour out all alcohol! And Timati and Leps - for public works, digging trenches near Artyomovsk!



          And also, completely prohibit the export/withdrawal of financial funds from Russia!!!!
          To everyone, migrant workers and entrepreneurs...
          Officials for withdrawing funds abroad should simply be shot on the spot.....
          And then it suddenly turns out that the budget has enough funds for medicine, education, science, for the development of the economy and agriculture...
          1. 0
            19 November 2023 16: 29
            Quote: assault
            Officials for withdrawing funds abroad can simply be shot on the spot...

            Are you proposing to shoot the entire establishment (ruling, managerial and possessing class)? belay
            And who should own the “Russian Land”?
      2. +24
        17 November 2023 05: 38
        It's not all gone.
        Any contracts are concluded for some, albeit near future.
        The calculation is simple: the SVO should end pretty soon. Well, let’s take roughly 1 year, although preferably much faster...
        The industry is in a mobilization boom.
        So the implementation of the concluded contracts will be in peacetime (I hope so). Then the time will come to “gather stones.” In a sense, currency.
        1. +14
          17 November 2023 07: 23
          Wow, how many defenders of Dubai passports with restaurants with Leps and Timati came running) laughing
          1. -8
            17 November 2023 14: 47
            Quote: Civil
            Wow, how many defenders of Dubai passports with restaurants with Leps and Timati came running) laughing


            What's the problem? Do you need to sit down in a conventional Uryupinsk and read the mantras for victory with a boring face? Will this bring her closer? Can't fly abroad? Do we have a new iron curtain?
            It just feels like people from those times never got used to the idea that you can fly anywhere and remain a patriot of your country, and for this you don’t have to sit in one place with a sad face.
            1. 0
              18 November 2023 17: 12
              What are your problems? When an old Jew in Berdichev saw the revolutionary slogan “Workers of all countries, unite!”, he said: “But not at my house.”
        2. +5
          17 November 2023 07: 37
          The author belongs to the category defined by the mayor of Kyiv as “not only everything” in his ideas about the near future.
        3. +11
          17 November 2023 09: 11
          I listen carefully to critics and exhibit for others when I don’t have enough myself. I look over in my memory any other foreign contracts for our weapons and everywhere I find clauses with circumstances. Take a contract with India for the T-90, which saved the N. Tagil plant, but then the Motherland could not feed its child. Take the construction of a plant in Jordan for the production of Kalashnikov assault rifles... This is pure business, if not us. then others will give it, but we always had enough machine guns. And now the question with planes and helicopters is - can we increase their production without compromising our needs at the front? Definitely NO! With our capabilities, the front will never have enough aviation, or let’s say, there can never be too much of it.
          So maybe we don’t have enough pilots to fly what’s being produced? And in order to train them in larger quantities, do we need money to expand the training base of flight schools?
          It seems that we are simply trying by any means to grab onto the sales markets and not lose face. I remember the complete failure with new aviation contracts with India, when it took the bait on French equipment in spite of everything... And the reason is not only AFAR, but mainly in warranty repairs and the supply of spare parts. And now, when we have cut off the machine tool industry for ourselves and are sitting under a ban on the import of machine tools, I can hardly understand those who want to do business with us regarding aviation. So we’ll see if at least one solid contract will be concluded in Dubai, and not the purchase of one Ansat for the entertainment of the emir’s son. But maybe it’s for the better, they themselves will get more. request
          1. +4
            17 November 2023 14: 57
            And now the question with planes and helicopters is - can we increase their production without compromising our needs at the front? Definitely NO!

            Why not? Well, at least the same Su-35 at one time, at the peak of import orders and our own purchases, were produced in quantities at least 2 times greater than now. Again, an increase in the series entails a decrease in the unit cost.
          2. +10
            17 November 2023 15: 50
            a completely sensible idea was already sounded here - the SVO will end, and the factories are working like crazy - we need to use what we have for the good. Well, don’t conserve it right away, but we’ll save the power and, if necessary, you can quickly deploy it. Again, any exhibition is a bunch of contacts that can shoot (and not shoot) at any moment.
          3. +7
            17 November 2023 18: 34
            Contracts are not signed for tomorrow. And for example, with deliveries by 25 or 27, what I mean is that it is not necessary that there will be sales of equipment during the SVO. And weapons, at a large premium cost, should be supplied to friendly countries. This is for years and decades of cooperation with these countries in the field of military-technical cooperation.
          4. +5
            17 November 2023 18: 41
            Recently there was news about the creation of new blades made of some kind of polymers at an enterprise in the UAE that services MI helicopters. The company is counting on modernizing MI helicopters operated in other countries. And I think there are quite a few similar companies in the world; they create an infrastructure in the world that supports the operation of our equipment, which increases the competitiveness of our equipment. Our exposition is designed to support THESE companies, reminding everyone that Russia is alive, technology is developing and thanks to international partners, those who operate it need not worry! drinks
            There is no need to change our MI via trade (sending them to the Ukrainian Armed Forces) for Western equipment! stop
            A completely sound approach with an international exposition, the task of which is to instill confidence among friends in the future! bully
        4. -6
          17 November 2023 14: 44
          Quote: U-58
          It's not all gone.
          Any contracts are concluded for some, albeit near future.
          The calculation is simple: the SVO should end pretty soon. Well, let’s take roughly 1 year, although preferably much faster...
          The industry is in a mobilization boom.
          So the implementation of the concluded contracts will be in peacetime (I hope so). Then the time will come to “gather stones.” In a sense, currency.


          Turbopatriots cannot understand these wise thoughts, well, they cannot master them
        5. +1
          17 November 2023 16: 59
          Well, in Dubai the show is understandable. There is hope that we will sell something. And, by the way, they sold a lot. But, let’s say there’s a naval parade in Kronstadt-Petersburg, I can’t understand. For the parade, they even brought in nuclear submarines from the Northern Fleet. An hour of operation of which costs incredible money. They wasted the resources of nuclear submarine mechanisms. Our bosses love parades.
        6. -3
          17 November 2023 21: 02
          Quote: U-58
          It's not all gone.
          Any contracts are concluded for some, albeit near future.
          The calculation is simple: the SVO should end pretty soon. Well, let’s take roughly 1 year, although preferably much faster...
          The industry is in a mobilization boom.
          So the implementation of the concluded contracts will be in peacetime (I hope so). Then the time will come to “gather stones.” In a sense, currency.

          Who told you that after the end of the SVO, all sanctions from our country will be lifted and you will return to the old world?
          Who?
          Are you not smart enough to understand that this won’t happen?
          1. -2
            18 November 2023 16: 55
            Well, the ATO in Ukraine “ended” with no alternative to Minsk, so what? On the other hand, the owners prepared the country for slaughter, created fortified areas, pumped up equipment, transferred the armed forces to their standards wherever they could, trained soldiers and officers. And now we have what we have. In the case of another “no alternative Minsk”, do you think it will be any different? And we will immediately decide that officials can continue to travel around the territory of unfriendly countries on business trips and vacations (however, even now they do not always deny themselves this, just like their children) and we no longer need new equipment for our own aircraft and let’s drive it again for hillock again becoming very respected partners. Do you believe this? Looking at what 8 years of data were spent on with no alternative to Minsk, I also believe. And one and the other side again use them exactly the same way. Because there have been no qualitative changes among those who control the situation on either side.
        7. +3
          17 November 2023 22: 25
          The SVO should end pretty soon. Well, let's take roughly 1 year

          Yes, my friend, you are a great, great optimist. Looking from Donetsk at the second year of the “capture” of Avdeevka and Marinka, a seditious thought arises: “Does Putin have plans to leave the completion of the Northern Military District to his successor, no matter who he is?” And such thoughts make me sad, because my Donetsk is being increasingly destroyed and ordinary Donetsk residents understand “party policy” less and less.
          1. 0
            18 November 2023 22: 36
            Ordinary Donetsk residents understand “party policy” less and less.

            Sometimes even more seditious - is this policy real?
        8. -2
          18 November 2023 07: 50
          It's not all gone.
          Any contracts are concluded for some, albeit near future.
          The calculation is simple: the SVO should end pretty soon. Well, let’s take roughly 1 year, although preferably much faster...

          Well, if you want something soon, then please go to mobilization, and don’t you shout here
          The industry is in a mobilization boom

          Excuse me, is this called lifting? Then you can't even count on it soon
          Then the time will come to “gather stones.” In a sense, currency.

          It's clear what's in your head
        9. 0
          10 January 2024 01: 13
          Quote: U-58
          The calculation is simple: the SVO should end pretty soon. Well, let's take 1 year conditionally...
          and you are an optimist, however... it doesn’t really look like it yet... request

          Quote: U-58
          The industry is in a mobilization boom.
          recourse
          oh well.?!... and if you monitor the transmission speed, let’s allow the fleet of the same fr. 22350 .. which are “already mass-produced (!), and completely import-substituted (!) ... and not only them ..." what ...?!

          ... and yes (!), it seems the USSR sold its T-34 and IS-2, not in 1944-45 (!), but after finishing the Second World War!!, and after its units were already equipped (figuratively speaking ) T44 /54 and IS-3 and IS-8 (T-10m) ...
          wink
      3. +6
        17 November 2023 11: 10
        Quote: CheeRock
        oil Gas,

        That's just it selling it like other raw resources is a fool.

        You sold it for N, and there they will process it, get jobs, and added value (several times more than they paid you).
        If you sell the processed material or use it (well, you can inexpensively heat/melt something with gas) in production here - LEAST we get jobs, and therefore salaries, economic growth (buying and selling will be more active).
        And as a maximum, we will also sell it at a higher price, because the higher the processing, the higher the price.
        1. -6
          17 November 2023 21: 43
          Quote: pettabyte
          Quote: CheeRock
          oil Gas,

          That's just it selling it like other raw resources is a fool.

          You sold it for N, and there they will process it, get jobs, and added value (several times more than they paid you).
          If you sell the processed material or use it (well, you can inexpensively heat/melt something with gas) in production here - LEAST we get jobs, and therefore salaries, economic growth (buying and selling will be more active).
          And as a maximum, we will also sell it at a higher price, because the higher the processing, the higher the price.

          In order to sell the final product, you need to have a cost price for this final product that will be in demand.
          Make sure that the cost of any gasoline or diesel fuel on FOB is the same or even lower than that of competitors.
          And when your costs include many thousands of kilometers of pipelines, on which there are dozens of LPDS, compressor stations, and other central pumping stations, when employees have social benefits, which is also included in the cost of the product, when there are benefits for free travel on vacation, when there are 2 months paid vacation and much, much more, such as winter of 8 months a year, which must be leveled out by heating all premises, and this is not only processing places, heating of all UTTST, where there are machines working for extraction and processing, then the real cost of the final product can become so expensive that selling crude oil and raw gas is simply more profitable...
          But those who are turbo-patriots and don’t know anything about real things and think only in slogans and propaganda cannot understand this.
          The brain is too weak.
    2. -10
      17 November 2023 05: 14
      Yes, Yaroslavna's Cry! Even hysterical! Well, the phrase “it would be better if they gave it to pensioners”... it’s just a MARKER! laughing
      Analogies and questions are asked for themselves - how much do we remember the T-34 or IS-2 in export version before 1945?

      Are we now in the Great Patriotic War? Is it really “everything for the front, everything for victory”? and total mobilization?
      1. +19
        17 November 2023 06: 59
        And also close all restaurants and cafes, elite ones, and pour out all alcohol! And Timati and Leps - for public works, digging trenches near Artyomovsk!

        Are we now in the Great Patriotic War? Is it really “everything for the front, everything for victory”? and total mobilization?


        Revealing comments.
        From these statements one can understand that society in Russia is not united. It is divided into those directly involved in the SVO and those not involved in the SVO.
        For those directly involved in the SVO, they don’t give a damn about all sorts of AIR SHOWS in Dubai. It is important for them that THEIR family and friends return safe and healthy from the SVO.

        PS
        And for you, personally, AllX_VahhaB (Alexander).
        For you, this is apparently a revelation, but for many Russian citizens there is the following understanding: “EVERYTHING for Victory.”

        UNDER THE MOTTO “EVERYTHING FOR VICTORY!” THE PEOPLE'S FRONT ASKS TO SUPPORT FIGHTERS AND CIVILIAN RESIDENTS OF NEW REGIONS. ON THE PORTAL WE TELL HOW TO TRANSFER MONEY, WHERE THEY ACCEPT ITEMS, WHAT THE GUYS ON THE FRONT AND PEOPLE IN THE LPR, DPR, KHERSON AND ZAPORIZHIE REGIONS NEED. HERE YOU CAN FIND OUT HOW CARGOES ARE DELIVERED TO ADDRESSES. Source: https://pobeda.onf.ru/

        “The “Everything for Victory” Foundation donated necessary things collected from public funds to the fighters in the Northern Military District zone...” https://tvzvezda.ru/news/2023792127-C9Bnd.html

        "Residents of Buryatia, enterprise teams, provide great moral and material support to the participants of the Special Military Operation..." http://council.gov.ru/services/discussions/blogs/139276/

        "In Chuvashia, they began collecting funds to equip mobilized
        The authorities have instructed to organize centralized procurement." https://pravdapfo.ru/news/v-chuvashii-nachali-sbor-sredstv-na-ekipirovku-mobilizovannyh/

        ETC.
      2. -1
        17 November 2023 20: 32
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Are we now in the Great Patriotic War? Is it really “everything for the front, everything for victory”? and total mobilization?

        Your opponents, apparently, have given everything up on the altar of victory: cars, apartments (themselves in communal apartments and dorms), and almost all their income, they sit on water and bread and walk around in rags - Golden people, no match for you and me. If everyone were like that, they would have won long ago. But for some reason they don’t go to the front themselves, they all teach others wisdom and patriotism from the sofa, but oh well, everyone has their own reasons, maybe they already received their wound at Kolchak’s.
      3. -1
        18 November 2023 12: 22
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Are we now in the Great Patriotic War? Is it really “everything for the front, everything for victory”? and total mobilization?

        For us - YES, but for you and those who showed up at the salon (Manturov, Chemizov, Slyusar and a bunch of bosses below) it looks like it’s just going on a picnic at state expense.
    3. -6
      17 November 2023 06: 27
      Rather, new training manuals were delivered.
      1. -2
        17 November 2023 20: 39
        Quote: Grossvater
        Rather, new training manuals were delivered.

        If only these were all old training manuals, worn out to holes, boring No.
    4. -1
      17 November 2023 10: 42
      Another ostentatious exhibition of the Tuvan circus.
  2. -15
    17 November 2023 03: 39
    Like 2 fingers on asphalt.
    Going beyond the horizon. 10 years ahead.
    What are we supposed to sell on E, after ours? Avior to the right fumes in vain. Better left. Earn money, oust former partners, die, don’t get up. Dilemmas are always and everywhere. Soon they will be on the moon.
    Or maybe he sent the extra staff away so that they wouldn’t interfere with their work?
  3. +16
    17 November 2023 03: 56
    I thought the respected Roman Skomorokhov occupied the niche of all-killers in VO, but now new recruits have arrived. If you follow the article, then we all need to drop absolutely everything and go to the front or to defense enterprises. A lot of questions have accumulated for the army, and most importantly for the command, one of them is why the country fed the military in peacetime, but mobilized and volunteers had to fight? Why has no one answered for the miscalculations until now? You say war is not the time? But what about the Second World War, Stalin and the execution of failed generals? I don't think it's any harder now than it was then. It turns out, as always in Rus', MEN throwing down their plows and shaking their hands off the ground, they roll up their sleeves to defend their country.
    1. +3
      17 November 2023 06: 10
      Quote: igorra
      Why did the country feed the military in peacetime, but mobilized people and volunteers had to fight?

      Those. the military does not fight, am I understanding correctly? What happens differently in serious wars?
      Quote: igorra
      You say war is not the time? But what about the Second World War, Stalin and the execution of failed generals?

      There was no Internet during Stalin's time. And now any snot with five classes fancies himself a strategist and dreams of a general staff. Well, it’s natural to shoot your competitors
      Quote: igorra
      Why has no one answered for the miscalculations until now?

      Who do you want to kill? Announce the list. Will you perform it yourself or specially trained people?
      Quote: igorra
      It turns out, as always in Rus', MEN throwing down their plows and shaking their hands off the ground, they roll up their sleeves to defend their country.

      So it was and so it will be. Nothing new
      1. AAK
        +23
        17 November 2023 07: 05
        In my opinion, if industry in general and the military-industrial complex in particular meet the needs of the state and the army completely and in all directions, then the surplus can really be sold at a good price, but when the situation looks like the saying “... without panties, but with a hat.. .”, then why try to pretend to be when there’s almost nothing to do with one’s own and one’s own? There is almost no world-class artillery and MLRS, there is not enough aviation, UAVs of the required sizes are generally at seams, they even started begging for ammunition from the DPRK... For the second year, the North Military District is trampling on the Maryinsky and Avdeevka vegetable gardens, the “strategists” have even stopped drawing arrows on the maps, the army for the necessary tasks it does not have even half of the necessary personnel, spies and accomplices are caught by the dozens, and the fifth and subsequent columns were not even really taken on, but here there are miners and painters of horses with white paint...
        1. 0
          18 November 2023 17: 03
          You are simply reading and watching the wrong sources. You need to read and watch the correct ones, approved by someone. And “everything will be fine, beautiful marquise.” Otherwise, people try, they spend their budgets on creating a great mood, and because of people like you, all your work is in vain.
      2. 0
        18 November 2023 13: 52
        There's no point in making fun of you. As for “executing” someone, I can only suggest. The crowd will come. Because I really got tired of a lot. Especially the impudence of many, many officials, who for some reason decided that everyone is a fool, they are the only smart ones and are telling us yet another nonsense.
        1. -1
          18 November 2023 17: 04
          who for some reason decided that everyone is a fool

          Why did they decide this, you can, for example, ask our Minister of Education. Perhaps he knows something.
    2. +6
      17 November 2023 11: 22
      Quote: igorra
      Why has no one answered for the miscalculations until now? You say war is not the time? But what about the Second World War, Stalin and the execution of failed generals?

      But no way. Executions during temporary detention facilities were extremely selective. For example, there was the commander of the PribOVO and Northwestern Fleet, General Kuznetsov. In the defense zone of his front, the disaster was even greater than that of Pavlov: by the beginning of July, the Germans passed through the district, reached the old border, broke through the Ostrovsky fortified area and took Pskov.
      Kuznetsov was removed... and received command of the 21st Army, and then the Central Front. For the failure of the offensive near Bobruisk, he was removed from his post... and given command of the 51st separate army. Yes, yes, the same one - in Crimea. Just before the German offensive.
      Based on the results of the Crimean Defense, he was removed and appointed chief of staff of the 28th Reserve Army, after which he again went to a front-line position - he became the castle commander of the Polar Fleet during the offensive near Moscow, and then the commander of the 61st Army.
      With a predictable result - the offensive in the army zone failed. Further, Kuznetsov was the head of the Higher Military Academy named after K. E. Voroshilov. It seems that everything... but no - in 1943 he was again appointed to front-line positions, first as the castle committee of the Volkhov and then of the Karelian front.
      He was expelled from his last post by directive of the Supreme Command Headquarters No. 220186. Moreover expelled - this is not a polemical exaggeration, but a quote from the document:
      The Supreme High Command orders:

      1. The Military Council of the Karelian Front to establish firm control of the troops and expel idle people and people who are not capable of leading troops.
      2. Disband the front auxiliary control center consisting of 67 people, as not justifying its purpose, and direct the personnel to strengthen the apparatus of the front headquarters, army and corps headquarters.
      Colonel General Frolov, who heads the command and control of the troops of the Murmansk sector of the front, will be used for his intended purpose - deputy commander of the Karelian Front.
      3. Deputy Commander of the Karelian Front, Colonel General Kuznetsov F.I., will be seconded to the disposal of the head of the Main Personnel Directorate of NPOs.
      4. The chief of staff of the front, Lieutenant General Pigarevich B.A., as having failed to provide proper leadership of the front headquarters, should be relieved of his post and seconded to the disposal of the head of the Main Personnel Directorate of the NPO.
      5. The head of the operational department of the front headquarters, Major General V. Ya. Semenov, shall be seconded to the disposal of the head of the Main Personnel Directorate of the NPO for use in other work.
    3. AUL
      +8
      17 November 2023 11: 49
      Quote: igorra
      If you follow the article, then we all need to drop absolutely everything and go to the front or to defense enterprises.

      Exactly! For every extra day of war means the lives and health of our soldiers. The slogan "Everything for the front, everything for victory!" is no less relevant now than it was 80 years ago. But some people are making good money in this war, so there is no mobilization of industry, no martial law in the warring state. So as not to affect the financial interests of “big people”. And if you also export weapons, it is much more profitable than sending them to your army.
  4. KCA
    +8
    17 November 2023 04: 03
    Is the author planning to extend the SVO for another 5 years, or does he think that the contract was signed today and it should be shipped tomorrow? They will sign an agreement of intent, they will go back and forth over prices and delivery conditions for two years; airplanes or helicopters may even begin to be delivered in 10 years if the agreement is signed
    1. +9
      17 November 2023 09: 36
      With the modern approach, SVO can last indefinitely. When the minister happily reports that we continue to strengthen our defenses, but not a word about our readiness for an offensive, how soon will we liberate Ukraine from the Nazis? You can wait a very long time for them to die out.
      1. -16
        17 November 2023 09: 57
        Quote: U. Cheny
        the minister happily reports that we continue to strengthen our defenses, but not a word about our readiness for an offensive

        - only morons (and also idiots) joyfully squeal about their “readiness to attack”
        - only scientists (English, perhaps?) - are unable to understand such simple things

        PS: Wow. All those mentioned were offended and are already downvoting laughing
        1. +9
          17 November 2023 10: 20
          Damn, I didn’t have time to minus it, but I’ll do it now.
          Just explain why it’s wrong to talk about readiness for an offensive, but it’s okay to talk about readiness for defense? Aren't these secrets of the same order? Moreover, the world community is constantly being reported on how many have been called up, how many new contract soldiers, how many times military production has increased. In your opinion, are they all stupid people? Or are you being rude only at your own level?
          1. -15
            17 November 2023 11: 03
            Quote: U. Cheny
            Just explain why it’s wrong to talk about readiness for an offensive, but it’s okay to talk about readiness for defense? Aren't these secrets of the same order?

            No, different. Defense is static, offense is dynamic. It is tied to place and time, in particular. The time and place of going on the offensive has always been topsecret.

            Only scientists may not know such simple things Yes laughing
            1. +5
              17 November 2023 11: 48
              Only repellents do not understand the difference between “time and place” and “readiness” or, better yet, “preparation”.
              And the location and arrangement of defensive positions is no less a secret than the location of the offensive.
            2. 0
              17 November 2023 19: 58
              I understand why you are downvoted for seemingly logical thoughts.
              The fact is that people, just like in the market, stand in line if it’s big, so with you, the more minuses they minus, the more pluses they add. Well, as it happens: “All the smart ones are minus, but that means I’m also a minus.” Most people have stopped not only thinking, but even stopping to think about what they are doing.
              1. -1
                17 November 2023 22: 13
                The idea is interesting, but it doesn’t explain why one went negative and the other went positive, when it started with one negative for each. The theory needs to be improved.
        2. -1
          17 November 2023 21: 46
          Quote: Repellent
          Quote: U. Cheny
          the minister happily reports that we continue to strengthen our defenses, but not a word about our readiness for an offensive

          - only morons (and also idiots) joyfully squeal about their “readiness to attack”
          - only scientists (English, perhaps?) - are unable to understand such simple things

          PS: Wow. All those mentioned were offended and are already downvoting laughing

          Lemmings can't be wrong?
          Is your heart rate really that high?
          Or are you just expressing yourself on this site?
      2. 0
        23 November 2023 11: 29
        And indefinitely, is it a year or two? Ukrainians tend to run out, no one supplies new ones, even those leftovers are not taken care of. What is the modern approach to SVO, overwhelmingly destructive? In Avdeevka, the entire range of Russian ammunition is flying, including cluster ammunition.
  5. -7
    17 November 2023 04: 20
    The Fighterbomber telegram channel publishes this flight equipment from Rostec in Dubai.
    True, FB writes that the helmet is “cardboard”, and the overalls must be fire-resistant, even to the detriment of camouflage. Well, at least a full-fledged Kalash is presented, and not just a knock-off PPK.
  6. +10
    17 November 2023 04: 57
    How much do we remember the T-34 or IS-2 in export version before 1945?
    T-34 number 102 of the Polish Army. Yes
    1. +4
      17 November 2023 05: 00
      Quote: Nagan
      T-34 number 102 of the Polish Army.

      Three Poles, a Georgian and a dog! good
    2. -7
      17 November 2023 10: 44
      Quote: Nagan
      How much do we remember the T-34 or IS-2 in export version before 1945?
      T-34 number 102 of the Polish Army. Yes

      And 4 Polish morons with a dog on him
    3. +2
      17 November 2023 16: 48
      Quote: Nagan
      T-34 number 102 of the Polish Army.

      Poles from Anders' Army broke through the German defenses at the Monte Cassino monastery. The Polish army of Ludova's army, starting with even more bloody battles near Lenino, ended the war in Germany. In this case, Stalin wisely supplied weapons. Neither Turkey nor China, which bought Soviet weapons, used them against the USSR in alliance with Hitler and the Japanese emperor. Weapons sold to Arabs during the Soviet era were fired at Soviet troops in Afghanistan; weapons sold after 1991 to Greece, Macedonia and Bulgaria are now fired at us in Ukraine.
  7. +11
    17 November 2023 05: 01
    Let's look at this from another perspective. It’s not about import orders that we need to worry, but about the fact that the Americans can get military equipment through third parties. I think so: they invited me to the exhibition - good. But in conditions when the country is fighting, only civilian planes and helicopters had to be transported to Dubai.
    About aerobatic teams. The author believes that they are aces? I am ready to agree that piloting virtuosos are gathered there. But not combat aces. I don’t remember a single message that the “Russian Knights” participated in the Northern Military District. And that group aerobatics in the DB area really helped in some way.
    1. +1
      18 November 2023 22: 52
      I agree with everything except
      that the Americans can get military equipment through third parties
      .
      Firstly, there should not be anything new or secret in the export versions.
      Secondly, they have already received everything that the Americans were interested in (whatever one may say, there are enough trophies in varying degrees of usefulness during combat operations on both sides)
      Thirdly, and the saddest thing, it is unlikely that the Americans will really find something “that has no analogues”
  8. -10
    17 November 2023 05: 02
    But the author is simply a provocateur. No more and no less.
    1. 0
      17 November 2023 18: 52
      I absolutely agree with you. The author does not look into the future at all.
      1. +2
        17 November 2023 21: 49
        Quote: Seryoga Ural
        I absolutely agree with you. The author does not look into the future at all.

        Again.
        What is the future?
        Do you really think that when the SVO ends, everything will return?
        Will the world stop hating Russians?
        Although this world has been pumped up with hatred towards us by Western propaganda for ten years now...
        Do you really think that everything will return to the way it was in 2012?
        So out of touch with reality?
  9. -4
    17 November 2023 05: 10
    Ichsperd! If you can’t see beyond your nose, don’t force the keyboard!
  10. -1
    17 November 2023 05: 29
    The author apparently forgot that in a year or two the North Military District will end, the state defense order will also decrease, and production will again be transferred from military to peaceful ones. Factories need to live on something, finance promising developments, and maintain staff. This is usually done using export earnings. Or the author offers everything at the expense of the budget. In general, this is the whole thrill, that despite the war and sanctions, Russia can afford to take samples to the exhibition and think about the future. All Ukrainian and American propaganda is going to hell.
    1. +16
      17 November 2023 08: 01
      Quote: Bodypuncher
      The author apparently forgot that it’s year two and the SVO will end

      Where does this information come from? I don't think anyone knows this.
    2. +5
      17 November 2023 09: 52
      That is, promising developments should be financed with money from exports? Seriously? By the way, this is why we find ourselves lagging behind in many areas of weapons - developments must be carried out systematically and consistently, and not just if a bunch of bucks are snatched somewhere. What export? How many billions of dollars of debt has Russia “forgiven” in recent years? But this, among other things, is money for those very weapons.
      If a country wants to survive and remain independent, it must finance the development and production of weapons itself. If you don’t want to feed your army, you’ll feed someone else’s, I didn’t say that.
      1. -1
        17 November 2023 18: 56
        You are wrong, this money is used to buy high-tech equipment that is not yet produced here. Jobs are provided for decades, plus the political dependence of those countries that purchase our weapons.
        1. -1
          17 November 2023 20: 07
          Quote: Seryoga Ural
          You are not right

          He is simply not forward-thinking or knowledgeable.
        2. 0
          18 November 2023 09: 59
          This is all good, but we are probably the only country that sells new equipment left and right without yet providing its army with it. Why were the factories not loaded with modern orders, if now we have to remove equipment from the 60s from storage?
          And dependence is a relative thing. We have sold and transferred so much to India, and today they are demonstrating their “multi-vectorism” with might and main.
        3. -1
          18 November 2023 18: 26
          Quote: Seryoga Ural
          You are wrong, this money is used to buy high-tech equipment that is not yet produced here. Jobs are provided for decades, plus the political dependence of those countries that purchase our weapons.

          What high-tech equipment have we been able to buy over the past 2 years?
        4. 0
          10 January 2024 01: 59
          Quote: Seryoga Ural
          You are wrong, this money is used to buy high-tech equipment that is not yet produced here.
          belay if only for "this money" high-tech equipment was purchased (in a timely manner!!!), then using such examples as shipbuilding and aircraft manufacturing (primarily !!), questions of the so-called import substitution (!), I wouldn’t have to deal with it to this day!!! wink
          and now (!), what kind of high-tech equipment (and how soon do you hope to purchase?! recourse and from whom?! request

          Quote: Seryoga Ural
          ...plus political dependence those countries that purchase our weapons.
          recourse this is completely an illusion winked

          once "political sympathizers", such as Bulgaria, the Czech Republic or, say, Poland, eventually became members of NATO, and equipment previously purchased from the USSR or the Russian Federation has now been provided to Ukraine ... request winked
    3. 0
      17 November 2023 10: 46
      Quote: Bodypuncher
      The author apparently forgot that in a year or two the North Military District will end, the state defense order will also decrease, and production will again be transferred from military to peaceful ones. Factories need to live on something, finance promising developments, and maintain staff. This is usually done using export earnings. Or the author offers everything at the expense of the budget. In general, this is the whole thrill, that despite the war and sanctions, Russia can afford to take samples to the exhibition and think about the future. All Ukrainian and American propaganda is going to hell.

      So the problem is that no one is buying now. The United States is threatening sanctions against buyers of Russian equipment
      1. +1
        17 November 2023 13: 46
        They may not buy it, but the Russian Federation is in second place in the world in arms exports
  11. -9
    17 November 2023 05: 35
    You are being a rude provocateur, Comrade Fedorov. Would you like a beer...
  12. +14
    17 November 2023 05: 43
    Oh, how things became rosy and wonderful for the “all-clackers”...
    This is necessary, what kind of presentation was organized by our "sweet-voiced" “Hoarse-voiced” billionaire minister! fellow
    * * *
    I don't care what the author writes. The ability to analyze events has developed over decades, and in this presentation I see only one thing: they are at the door, they are at the window... No matter where you present, as long as you don’t work.
    Let all 250 samples at this exhibition have no analogues in the world. But how many of them (in what quantity) is Russian defense production ready to produce for the customer’s needs? Do we need orders for hundreds of copies of something that is produced several times a year...
    All these exhibitions are nothing more than window dressing that has taken root in Russia. Look, they say, we can’t do that...
    * * *
    And I suspect that if they wanted and could, the SVO would have ended long ago. And not because the LBS would be strengthened by the density of military personnel, but because the firepower of the RF Armed Forces would make it possible to recapture 18 km² of its territory from the enemy within a few hours (days).
    What also amazes me is the blind faith in some kind of trade panacea (in this particular version) which can neither be formed nor expanded a priori. Because the same American jeans at one time did not need to be demonstrated, just like Japanese televisions, tape recorders, German cars and other consumer goods.
    * * *
    Continue to admire...Until 2036, a carriage and a small cart...
    1. +4
      17 November 2023 05: 53
      Quote: ROSS 42
      but because the firepower of the RF Armed Forces would make it possible to recapture 18 km² of its territory from the enemy within a few hours (days).

      However, as Yasnaya told me here, last summer, they conquered 185 square kilometers per day. Something broke somewhere, no less.
      1. +7
        17 November 2023 08: 33
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        However, as Yasnaya rubbed into me here, last summer,

        It’s not dawn clear
        Extinguishes the eyes of the stars,
        As he writes, dear, -
        Will bring you to tears.
        crying
        Vladimir! I don’t care whether Yasnaya writes, or Tatra screws something up, or Vyacheslav Olegovich gets lost in memories. If a message touches the soul, makes you think, rummage through Wikipedia, remember past events and compare numbers and indicators, I always try to answer - I don’t let the thoughts of users pass by. Moreover, while typing messages, I began to notice that the number of words in my vocabulary had expanded noticeably. It’s so difficult to insert the necessary, understandable words into sentences.
        I have no desire to pay attention to empty bravado, to the squealing of empty-headed serviceists, to the servile dogma of claqueurs. You have to sink so low to servile joy that you don’t see the essence of things.
        * * *
        Let this lie they spread remain on their conscience...
    2. 0
      17 November 2023 20: 25
      Quote: ROSS 42
      the firepower of the RF Armed Forces would make it possible to recapture 18 km² of its territory from the enemy within a few hours (days).

      At the expense of whom - the 200s?
      If you can’t tear yourself away from the USSR in your head, then it will be very difficult to live in the present, and even more so in the future.
      The Iron Curtain is long gone, as is the shortage of goods that existed in the USSR, and therefore for any imported (and some Soviet) clothes one has to give one’s last possessions. This is precisely the negative side of the USSR - deficit. But there were a lot of positive things. For example, everyone served in the army, but unfortunately, it was recruits who were sent to hot spots and they died there from unprofessionalism in combat operations.
      And in addition. NWO is not only a war with the Outskirts and its territory - it is a global war at all levels, both political, economic, technological and in every other way. And to win (win) with a good result, it takes time, but not like you write, 1-2 years and you can take 18 sq. km - not not. A quick victory on the outskirts is not a victory at the global level. Globally, it is necessary to lower the entire colonial system of the Anglo-Saxons on all fronts for a long time, and this is just long, tedious and expensive, which many people do not like, just like you.
  13. -4
    17 November 2023 06: 33
    From the article I understood that the author can read and write. I would at least read some history. How ordering tanks from India saved our tank-building industry in the 90s, or at worst, how the United States makes money from military conflicts.
    1. 0
      17 November 2023 09: 54
      You shouldn't expect any more orders like this. As for making money in war, to be honest, I think our leaders are not that skilled at multi-moves.
  14. +13
    17 November 2023 08: 17
    Relaxed.
    To win a war, extreme concentration and mobilization of the forces and means of the entire society to achieve one goal is important.

    But NWO is not a war. And this doesn't happen. Something else is happening. The President opens the Ferris wheels, and the country participates in various exhibitions and shows, everything is as it should be when there is a cloudless, peaceful sky above your head.
    1. +16
      17 November 2023 08: 44
      Quote: Stas157
      To win a war, extreme concentration and mobilization of the forces and resources of the entire society are important to achieve the goal.

      In all seriousness - good
      But what to do if the goals are vague or indicated in general terms without a start and end time, without the names of those who will be responsible for their implementation?
      Quote: Stas157
      But NWO is not a war. And this doesn't happen. Something else is happening. The President opens Ferris wheels, and the country participates in various exhibitions... As if this is how it should be, as if there is a cloudless, peaceful sky all around.

      That is why it is difficult to accept when some pay a million (almost!!!) for a dinner at SPIEF, while others pay with their lives, not understanding why they haven’t started yet in the Kremlin...
    2. +9
      17 November 2023 09: 27
      The President opens the Ferris wheels, and the country participates in various exhibitions and shows, everything is as it should be when there is a cloudless, peaceful sky above your head.


      The cloudless sky is for those Russian citizens who belong to the 1%, owning “56% of all financial and non-financial assets of the country” (More details on the website Banki.ru https://www.banki.ru/news/daytheme/?id=10895905 ).
      It is for them that Ferris wheels are opened, exhibitions and various shows are organized.
      SVO is not about them.
      SVO is for the direct participation of mechanic Vasya, welder Petrovich, electrician Nikolai Ivanovich, etc.
      SVO is for the people “from the plow” (as aptly expressed in previous comments).
      I could not find the social composition of Russian citizens - participants of the SVO.
      1. +8
        17 November 2023 10: 29
        Quote: AA17
        I could not find the social composition of Russian citizens - participants of the SVO.

        Deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the Duma were just talking about this. That they looked at the social composition and saw that they were recruiting those at the very bottom of the class system of society.
  15. +8
    17 November 2023 08: 29
    If suddenly Western opponents realize the futility of sanctions against Russia and decide to come from a different angle

    As I understand it, they can buy weapons and then transfer them to our unkind neighbors in the west?
  16. +6
    17 November 2023 08: 32
    Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
    Americans can get military equipment through third parties

    Not the Amers (the Amers don’t even need it for nothing), but Ukrainians can get it through third countries...
  17. +10
    17 November 2023 08: 36
    Quote: U-58
    The SVO should end pretty soon. Well, let’s take roughly 1 year, although preferably much faster..

    Quote: KCA
    The author plans to extend the SVO for another 5 years

    Quote: Bodypuncher
    The author apparently forgot that it’s year two and the SVO will end


    Peter Tolstoy
    (Member of the Supreme Council of the United Russia party, etc.)
    8 Nov at 22:24
    But the main thing we must now understand is that the special military operation will not end in a year or two,
    https://vk.com/tolstoy.petr
    There is also a video with the same thing.
    The Member of the Supreme Council of the ruling party disagrees with the expectations of the respected forum comrades.
    1. +2
      17 November 2023 10: 51
      Quote: plant15
      Quote: U-58
      The SVO should end pretty soon. Well, let’s take roughly 1 year, although preferably much faster..

      Quote: KCA
      The author plans to extend the SVO for another 5 years

      Quote: Bodypuncher
      The author apparently forgot that it’s year two and the SVO will end


      Peter Tolstoy
      (Member of the Supreme Council of the United Russia party, etc.)
      8 Nov at 22:24
      But the main thing we must now understand is that the special military operation will not end in a year or two,
      https://vk.com/tolstoy.petr
      There is also a video with the same thing.
      The Member of the Supreme Council of the ruling party disagrees with the expectations of the respected forum comrades.

      Medvedev directly stated, get ready to fight for a long time. Khodorovsky said that it takes at least 5 years to liberate the territory of Donbass
  18. +6
    17 November 2023 09: 34
    Timati and Leps warming up the audience at the elite hotel The Theater Dubai, elite alcohol, food and everything else typical of Russian parties in the United Arab Emirates.


    as it was said there: “to whom it is war, and to whom it is Mother Rodna!”
    Now we don’t have the industry to work for the northwestern district and for export at the same time, and that says it all.
    Regarding the SVO - it will not end next year - not in a year, but resources (military-industrial complex) are tight for us...
    so we went, hung out and went home: we need to “dig trenches” and not hang out
  19. +10
    17 November 2023 10: 10
    I have always been amazed and am amazed by the thirst to boast about what does not exist. I’m not even talking about models of something that hasn’t been done yet, but about samples that have been on display for years, which the army never received. Our army.
    And there is one more very significant aspect. By selling advanced equipment abroad, even with excellent motives to raise money for the defense industry, we are arming not our army with these new weapons, but our enemies. The experience of Ukraine has shown this perfectly. States around the world are buying up weapons supplied to “neutral” countries for use against us. It’s good that it’s mostly old, but who’s stopping you from doing the same for the modern one?
    And, by the way, why is the state looking for money for military production from foreign businessmen, and not from its oligarchs? And if they are not one of us, then why are they still oligarchs?
    1. -5
      17 November 2023 10: 22
      Discover books. They are expensive, but there is information about the prices of hemorrhoids in the West with Russian technology.. MIG-29 is like a classic for killing money
      1. +5
        17 November 2023 10: 55
        If not, read what I wrote. I wrote about the fact that any modern equipment, even sold to neutral countries, can easily end up on the other side of the front. And the West itself does not need to bother with it. Almost all of our closest neighbors have experience working with our weapons. For example, who will stop India from selling part of the T-90 (for example, to the States) for the sake of “diversification” and some goodies? Which they have many times more than Russia. And in Ukraine they will be able to work perfectly with them.
        1. -4
          17 November 2023 11: 13
          Yessss. Look for information about the operation of the MiG-29 and Su-27 in the USA. Be surprised
          1. +2
            17 November 2023 11: 20
            What does this have to do with exploitation in the USA?
  20. -4
    17 November 2023 10: 19
    SVO is not a reason to lose arms markets, it is a means to win these markets. But for this, experience in combat use is not enough; marketing is needed. No matter how or whoever likes this word, nothing in this world works without advertising.
    And the groans about the fact that aces should be at the front are simply idiotic. Aces must teach and show.
    1. Qas
      +1
      17 November 2023 12: 27
      An ace will become such only when he proves his skills in practice (in battle).
  21. -5
    17 November 2023 10: 20
    For some, the letter e is also an energy letter. That is, an “improved” product from an energy point of view.
  22. BAI
    +3
    17 November 2023 10: 25
    “Russian Knights” will also perform in Dubai on the brilliant Su-35S and Su-30SM. Aces roam the skies of the UAE, but should work in a completely different place.

    In which place? In the NWO zone? Maybe also a company of honor guard and a song and dance ensemble named after them. Drive Alexandrov into the trenches? Well, also all the athletes of SKA and CSKA, artists of the Soviet Army Theater, etc.
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    2. +7
      17 November 2023 11: 33
      Quote: BAI
      In which place? In the NWO zone? Maybe also a company of honor guard and a song and dance ensemble named after them. Drive Alexandrov into the trenches?

      Actually, aerobatic teams are considered combat squadrons. And before the North Military District, we were constantly told with pride about their participation in exercises precisely as combat units.
      Even the re-equipment of the Russian Knights with the Su-30SM and Su-35S was explained from the point of view of their possible combat use. They say that now the squadron is armed with full-fledged modern combat vehicles capable of using the entire range of anti-aircraft weapons of the Russian Air Force, and not aerobatic aircraft lightened by “military” avionics.
    3. +4
      18 November 2023 11: 57
      It seems that the author wanted a lot of comments on his article, he received them. I don’t think at all that the author is stupid, there are no stupid authors on VO. This author is not stupid at all.
  23. +10
    17 November 2023 10: 27
    The essence is probably revealed by the first lines: “Timati and Leps warming up the audience at the elite hotel The Theater Dubai, elite alcohol, food and everything else inherent in Russian parties in the United Arab Emirates.”
    Those. this is not for us, not for the country, but so that the “elite” can officially rest, have a drink, promote themselves, and not get in the face in Dubai (the new Courchevel, according to the media).
    After all, they have already reported many times about the purchase of real estate, and about the growth of offshore companies, and about the influx of Lawyers from Russia (it’s clear why), and Artists too (also understandable)

    So it doesn't matter if there is exhaust. The Arabs in the Russian Air Force seem to have NOTHING, they wrote.
    But to go to new Courchevel at someone else’s and state expense... well, who would refuse?
    Their life is good. For the rest... they will pay for this by increasing tariffs...
  24. -1
    17 November 2023 10: 30
    Well, at least in Dubai we will see something that is not at the front
  25. +2
    17 November 2023 10: 40
    Timati and Leps warming up the audience at the elite hotel The Theater Dubai, elite alcohol, food and everything else typical of Russian parties in the United Arab Emirates.


    It's not in vain that we pay taxes
    1. +1
      17 November 2023 11: 15
      Yes, even Buzova, if only for business
  26. 0
    17 November 2023 10: 53
    Timati and Leps warming up the audience

    What a strange “back-up dancer” our Pepelans have.
    There is no way to organize an air show.
  27. -5
    17 November 2023 11: 01
    If you leave the market of your own free will, they will point and laugh at you for 100 years. Farnborough, Le Bourget, Berlin - yes, this is the past. And there is nothing to do there, but Dubai, India (Bangalore), China, etc. - you have to participate everywhere, and not with a soundtrack and cheap vodka, but in all its glory! Powerful, confident, rich. Then there will be clients. Because the products of our aviation industry are competitive, they just need to be presented correctly.
    1. -1
      23 November 2023 00: 16
      1. The Russian Federation is already absent from the market of monarchies (in terms of military aircraft). Since 3, in fact, there have been deliveries to Jordan of Il-1992MFI (76 units) and 2 units of Mi-6. That's all. 26. Contracts and deliveries are a consequence of a complex of factors (technology, financial conditions, the influence of the supplier in the world and on a specific importer, competitors and their proposals, military\political situation, etc.). Then think for yourself about the reasons why these countries were supplied with 2 combat aircraft from 0 to 92g incl. 23. I think the prospects will continue to be similar to the trend of deterioration. VTS will fall. There are some hopes for Algeria, Egypt and Iran (in this region), but in fact there is a delivery of 3 Yak-2s to Iran and dancing with tambourines on the Su-130 with an unclear result at the moment. The rest entirely depends on what will happen in the next year or year and a half and not at air shows at all.....
  28. +7
    17 November 2023 11: 17
    “During the specified period of time, it is Russian pilots and equipment that are the most professional and combat-ready.”
    I will mercilessly beat you with minuses, and that’s okay, but “shooting” NARs from a pitching position somewhere, as in most cases the media shows on TV the work of aviation, somehow doesn’t really fit in with “combat efficiency itself” and the rest... request
    And trips to all sorts of such exhibitions, against the backdrop of the fact that people are now additionally collecting everything for the fighters themselves, having paid all the taxes that should already be spent on this. And this is presented by some commentators as a great achievement with a simultaneous statement that this is not a war, and especially not the Great Patriotic War, reminiscent of a feast during the plague.
    1. +2
      17 November 2023 13: 11
      Quote from AdAstra
      I will mercilessly beat you with minuses, and that’s okay, but “shooting” NARs from a pitching position somewhere, as in most cases the media shows on TV the work of aviation, somehow doesn’t really fit in with “combat efficiency itself” and the rest...

      It’s just that the normal operation of attack helicopters is non-telegenic. A gray screen, changing green inscriptions, something white in the frame and some kind of darting white dot with a smoky halo. And so on for several minutes. Then something white flashes in place of the frame - and that’s it. smile
      We also show the work of artillery in the spirit of the Luga exercises: we went out into an open field, turned around in a line - and let’s shoot somewhere there. And there must be an officer in the foreground, bending over an artillery bus.
  29. 0
    17 November 2023 11: 21
    It's important to show that you "can afford it." That Russia is strong, despite the sanctions. To encourage your friends and warn your enemies. Better than red lines.

    And you might need to change things up on a rainy day. For something you cannot get for gas, oil, or money. Lithography equipment?
    1. +5
      17 November 2023 11: 24
      To encourage your friends

      with such “friends” there is no need for enemies....
      1. +2
        17 November 2023 12: 16
        If you like it, replace “friends” with “enemies of your enemy” - the meaning will remain the same.
    2. +6
      17 November 2023 11: 39
      I remember we “encouraged our friends and warned our enemies” with all sorts of tank biathlons and other war games, but when it came to the real deal, it didn’t help. hi
      1. 0
        25 November 2023 17: 55
        I remember we “encouraged our friends and warned our enemies” with all sorts of tank biathlons and other war games

        Now it seems that these performances were more for “internal consumption”. Moreover, for a very specific circle of viewers
  30. -2
    17 November 2023 13: 44
    The money spent on PR and advertising will be more than returned in sales. And it’s impossible without PR and advertising. Author, you don’t know this?
  31. -3
    17 November 2023 14: 02
    We have a market economy. The business must work, develop sales channels, partners who are interested in the products. The Ministry of Defense is not always overwhelmed with orders and payment schemes from the budget.
    We won’t go to exhibitions, we’ll lose niches that are very difficult to restore.
  32. +7
    17 November 2023 15: 23
    Quote: CheeRock
    Under no circumstances should Russia be allowed to sell its weapons, oil and gas, nuclear power plants and space. Salt everything and burn it for the glory of Sotona, so that there is nothing to build an army and a country with. So we will win!))))

    How many fabulously smart people have given a thumbs up under this rum... But the main idea runs through the entire article in black and white - There is a war going on. And the author chewed it all up. What the hell kind of arms trade can there be now?!

    Let them ban me, I don’t care, I expressed my opinion.
    1. -6
      17 November 2023 17: 25
      Why can't you sell weapons during a war? Where is this written?
    2. -1
      17 November 2023 18: 27
      Don't you think about the future? We will defeat Ukraine, that’s for sure! Then, when everything is in order with our weapons, will you close the enterprises that are now opening and those existing ones that are expanding? Workers, engineers, technologists on the street? You always need to be proactive. There will be orders, and there will be jobs for many years. There will also be additional earnings in foreign currency for enterprises. What will entail the re-equipment of enterprises with new equipment, etc. etc.
  33. -1
    17 November 2023 15: 34
    Or maybe we didn’t go to sell, but to buy. The fair exists for mutual purchases. Again, Dubai was recently full of our compatriots. Maybe the owners of the apartments and dachas there went to wash the dust from the window sills, and at the same time attend the event. My friend recently lamented that a couple of years ago there were about 500 thousand Russians to whom you could rent a room or a place in a trailer, but now they have all fled from the desert.
  34. -1
    17 November 2023 15: 49
    “Why does a Russian who is proud of his country have to fly to the UAE to witness the domestic triumph of thought and technology?”
    Maybe because among “our locals” there are enough spectators, but basically no potential buyers?
  35. +1
    17 November 2023 16: 00
    Quote: Coward
    Wow, how it blew up the “everyone who lost everything”!!!

    Remember how a huge contract for the Il-76 with China fell through, after which China made its own S-20 transport aircraft?
  36. +2
    17 November 2023 16: 20
    Yes, everything is simpler: an Aurus manager with the rank of minister had to push the cars, well, and the rest was organized for this purpose
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  38. -6
    17 November 2023 17: 23
    . Is the country conducting a CBO? According to the author’s logic, now the whole country will plunge into mourning, not celebrate birthdays and not restore anything in new territories - they say, tomorrow they will destroy it, right? We also add here - do not send your military equipment to forums where this equipment can then be sold, right?

    Bullshit. To the author - a big minus
  39. -4
    17 November 2023 18: 16
    I believe that this arms exhibition, which is being shown by the Russian Federation, is a foundation for the future. Currently, military-industrial complex enterprises are loading up. New enterprises are opening, existing ones are expanding, and staff are being recruited. To ensure that these enterprises do not stand idle in the future and do not incur losses at such exhibitions, it is simply necessary to visit and advertise their achievements yesterday, and not today. And the author-->author-->the author is simply not a distant person who forgot to look into the future!
  40. -2
    17 November 2023 18: 27
    But we also need currency, so what will we use to buy electricians?
  41. 0
    17 November 2023 20: 27
    The author, apparently, is not aware that contracts for large orders are concluded for many years in advance and the start of implementation is not tomorrow. And the actively working defense industry will have to do something after the end of the Northern Military District. Or, in his opinion, everything needs to be slammed down again. Just like in the 90s. And then look into the distance.... And see... an affor who cannot see beyond his own nose. And gives advice... So important and smart.
  42. +2
    17 November 2023 21: 00
    The exhibition is like a feast during the plague.
    1. No one will now enter into new contracts for the supply of Russian weapons. Nobody. Because sanctions against these countries and people will immediately arrive. All accounts of enterprises, people, ministries and treasuries will be immediately blocked.
    2. Sell as a “set of technologies”? Also unrealistic.

    What is it really?
    A vanity exhibition of our military effective managers.
    Go to the Emirates like it was the last time, get drunk at public expense.
    With absolutely zero results.
    1. -2
      17 November 2023 21: 31
      Now we’ll see if they buy it or not. Obsessed with sanctions? They will buy it and how.
  43. -2
    17 November 2023 21: 00
    Dear author, what kind of whining? The SVO will end, the contracts will remain. On the contrary, participation in the exhibition is a good indicator, a demonstration of a better flag than the naval one. Don't we need to sell helicopters? Need to. Can we bring the same number of potential buyers to Moscow? No. And it would be strange to throw a fair, Leps and Timati, when there is a conflict. And many won’t go, such an event is too tasty for an IED. That's why people went to Dubai.
  44. 0
    17 November 2023 21: 28
    Loans, even if they are not repaid, are necessary for the development of the military-industrial complex. You can’t just throw money into the economy because of inflation, but giving a loan for the purchase of your equipment is an investment in the military-industrial complex, in jobs.
  45. -1
    17 November 2023 21: 40
    What will managers do who are now spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on gun displays? Will they push back government orders and focus on import orders?


    The coolest thing is if import orders are made for those confiscated 300 lard of greens that the “managers” from Russia stole under the guise of the National Welfare Fund....
  46. 0
    17 November 2023 22: 39
    Our country is now in steep minus in terms of money and is falling lower every day. Because war (WAR, 6..., not SVO) is a VERY expensive business. The state, spinning up inflation, put a hand in its pocket not up to the elbow, and not even up to the shoulder... But... in general, you will be up to your waist©. And if it’s realistic to make three aircraft and sell one, covering the cost of the other two for our army, then so be it.
    We should not forget how the arms race ended for the USSR.
    1. -1
      18 November 2023 07: 58
      We should not forget how the arms race ended for the USSR.

      The arms race of the USSR ended with the fact that the Russian Federation has something to carry out its military defense in Ukraine....
      But the absence of clean-ups carried out by Joseph Vissarionovich for 40 years has led to the fact that the NWO will soon last for the second year, the industry in such a place is indecent to say. And the hurray “patriots” who really love the system and the guarantor personally, fight not in the Northern Military District, but on this site from the sofa
  47. 0
    17 November 2023 23: 11
    Well, why bother? Money for a salon is a small fraction of what is stolen at home. So let them at least show off - maybe some good will come of it.
  48. +1
    18 November 2023 07: 52
    I read the comments and I’m surprised how many cheers “patriots” there are, and I’m eager to call the military commissar to mobilize these little people to the Northern Military District
  49. Eug
    0
    18 November 2023 10: 50
    Doesn’t anyone understand that this is a search for investors (investments) for development, and the most effective way is through new buyers? And at the same time, “patching holes” in the domestic industry - through potential alternative imports (hopefully short-term, until the REAL replacement of critical imports with domestic products). And in an alliance with the oil-producing Arabs, the enemy managed to seriously shake up the enemy at least twice - the Union in 1973-4, when, as a result of the oil crisis, the United States was forced to “untie” the dollar from gold (it’s a pity that the USSR did not take advantage of this then) and the States in 1985, when a severe blow was dealt to the USSR's oil exports.
    The States took full advantage of the result of this blow...
  50. -1
    18 November 2023 11: 36
    Everything is poison and everything is medicine! This depends on the quantity of it! The wisdom of the ancestors - and they didn’t take their wisdom from iPhones.... Everything should be if it is possible! I’m 54. I lived under both the Soviet Power and the Shitty Bourgeoisie. You cannot step into the same river twice! Under Soviet rule, it was definitely better and calmer for the honest and simple man! Not perfect and smooth! But calmer and better! Who wants to return to his beloved socialism - what is the problem? Huge China is nearby! The guys ALREADY live in Cyberpunk in many ways! And my country has had enough revolutions and upheavals! Enough! Evolution now! And yet, the most ardent fighters against obscenity in our country always sit in a cozy chair or only shout from it! This is an action that has been noticed over the years of my life, with rare exceptions, which are individual Citizens of my country! The article about the ban on the arms trade was clearly not written by a turner from a defense plant, or a milling shift worker. So think about who to believe in our life - the manipulative TikToker 4 categories or a factory fitter? Who has more moral authority, intelligence and information? And also conscience...
  51. +4
    18 November 2023 12: 02
    What did the author get to the bottom of aerobatics? We don't have enough military aircraft for the SU-35 and Su-39SM for the SVO? According to your logic, you should get a machine gun and go there. The infantry is very necessary, the articles are not very good.
  52. 0
    18 November 2023 12: 18
    Is industry ready to build airplanes? Well, at least 20 transport workers a year? I think no! All our markets have been squeezed out, now we have to spin like devils in a frying pan, otherwise we will be crushed!!
  53. 0
    18 November 2023 15: 16
    TsIPSO &Co?
    What kind of hysteria is the author having? How will participation in the exhibition affect the SVO?
    AUTHOR, it seems that regarding WADA’s cries that Russia “has no right” has a special opinion.
  54. -1
    18 November 2023 17: 06
    And at the state level, let’s transfer one monthly SALARY for December 23 of all officials, deputies and employees of law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation to the SVO, for the purchase of drones, night lights, optics and sniper rifles, armored armor and sleeping bags, generators and stoves...
    Let those who receive salaries from the state in this way support the Northern Military District and those people who fight for them and give their lives and health.
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  58. 0
    19 November 2023 02: 10
    We are now fighting not only at the front and in the economy, but also for the sympathy of that part of the world that is not yet Western. Advertising is needed.
  59. 0
    19 November 2023 04: 19
    Some conscientious liberal wrote an article
  60. 0
    20 November 2023 08: 49
    They show it not in order to sell, but so that they don’t interfere...
  61. 0
    21 November 2023 10: 44
    So basically, what is this about...? What’s wrong with offering and selling weapons of your own design? Can't attract a buyer? Like we don’t need money and supplies should only be to the Russian Aerospace Forces? The woodpecker does not seem to understand that this is how they are hooked, by supplying weapons. And this, in addition to direct money, also includes maintenance and modernization for many years.
    1. 0
      21 November 2023 10: 46
      Even duplicates posts, and if you delete one, both are deleted.
  62. 0
    23 November 2023 04: 39
    Quote: spektr9
    We should not forget how the arms race ended for the USSR.

    The arms race of the USSR ended with the fact that the Russian Federation has something to carry out its military defense in Ukraine....
    But the absence of clean-ups carried out by Joseph Vissarionovich for 40 years has led to the fact that the NWO will soon last for the second year, the industry in such a place is indecent to say. And the hurray “patriots” who really love the system and the guarantor personally, fight not in the Northern Military District, but on this site from the sofa

    The arms race for the USSR ended in a war of one part of the USSR against another part of the USSR.
    Well, about the sofa - this is due to stupidity. Don’t forget to change the record at least once every six months.
  63. 0
    23 November 2023 11: 23
    I started reading the "article", but it was a stream of incoherent nonsense. Phrases - no one will buy, that’s all they ask for, blah blah blah, zero analytics and everything is completely lost and vandalism.
  64. 0
    8 February 2024 11: 02
    Strange article...
    Firstly, the “Russian Knights” and other ceremonial squadrons do not fly aces of air combat, but simply good aerobatic pilots who know how to fly in formation. And the purpose of these squadrons is advertising, and not at all practicing combat techniques. And if we talk about “aces”, then their place is not at all at the front. It was only the Luftwaffe that burned the best pilots at the front. In the USSR, USA and Britain during World War II, pilots who had accumulated valuable experience were removed from the front and sent to train less experienced ones in the rear. And this gave a much greater effect, in terms of victory, than marks on the fuselage.
    As for MAKS, it’s no secret that this is not a show for aviation fans at all. TV and popular magazines are enough for them. At MAX there are always 5 days to make deals, and only 2 days for amateurs, and even then, for at least some recoupment of the costs of the show. Therefore, it is quite justified to conclude deals where potential buyers are now going. And we will survive.
    The country also needs money. And it will not be the pygmies from the African savannas who will buy, but the states that have the money. I don’t think that at such salons they show anything particularly converted. Either ordinary prototypes, or ordinary combat vehicles. The letter "E" is purely for advertising.
    Again, I don’t think there are large costs for converting export vehicles. They simply remove some equipment that is not intended for foreign use, such as “friend or foe”, the latest radars and systems for nuclear weapons, and install something either older or imported. The part that costs the most during development - the airframe and control system - does not change.
    And they are not some special secret. How many years have the same Ka-52 and Su-57 been flying? How many countries did the Ka-52 visit? Their airframe and control system have long been studied and documented
  65. 0
    17 February 2024 19: 20
    This woodpecker (author-->author-->author) apparently does not know how production works or the technology for coordinating production and supplies. author-->author-->author apparently thinks that today we signed, and tomorrow we will start sawing, cutting and cutting metal structures. And for another year, a year and a half there will be nothing but signing of agreements, ratifications, examination of commercial proposals and other piles of papers. It’s easier and faster to sew this damn pilot’s kit (the speed is about a thousand kits a month) than to fill out all the paperwork after production. It’s easier for the plant to produce a series of 100 helicopters, both to the front and for export. 100 parts for a CNC machine before lunch. To the machine, after the exhibition, God willing, in a year. author-->author-->author apparently intended to fight for 5 years.